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04:46 swift110 hey all
04:48 MinetestBot [git] ShadowNinja -> minetest/minetest: Remove explicit syslog printing for uncaught exceptions on Android 659922f http://git.io/vCizn (2015-10-15T00:47:43-04:00)
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04:57 waressearcher2 is there minetest for Fire OS ?
05:00 waressearcher2 or are there plans to make one ?
05:01 swift110 doubt it
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05:16 MinetestBot [git] ShadowNinja -> minetest/minetest: Clean up gettext initialization e067cea http://git.io/vCiV1 (2015-10-15T01:16:10-04:00)
05:16 MinetestBot [git] ShadowNinja -> minetest/minetest: Use warningstream for deprecated field messages and refactor log_deprecated 7b8d372 http://git.io/vCiVM (2015-10-15T01:14:38-04:00)
05:33 MinetestBot [git] kwolekr -> minetest/minetest: Add BufReader and vector-based serialization methods 1a5b4b3 http://git.io/vCirb (2015-10-15T01:31:31-04:00)
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05:33 blaise sup
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05:48 MinetestBot [git] MoNTE48 -> minetest/minetest: Compress textures and fonts 5d88501 http://git.io/vCi6O (2015-10-15T01:45:59-04:00)
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06:13 blaise sure is quiet in here
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06:39 kaeza o/
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07:03 blaise o/
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07:39 swift110-phone2 Hey guys
07:41 kaeza o/
07:41 swift110-phone2 How r u kaeza
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08:15 JamesTait Good morning all; happy Thursday, and happy Conflict Resolution Day! 😃
08:15 VanessaE kaeza: you changed your forum avatar! :(
08:15 VanessaE morning, James
08:16 JamesTait 👋 VanessaE
08:17 kaeza VanessaE, ⌐■_■
08:25 swift110-phone2 Morning
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08:40 swift110-phone2 Lol
08:40 VanessaE ?
08:41 swift110-phone How r u vanessae
08:41 VanessaE I'm ok.
08:41 swift110-phone I loled in the wrong room lol
08:45 swift110-phone2 Good to hear
08:45 swift110-phone2 What ya up too
08:45 VanessaE just reading.
08:46 swift110-phone2 Thats cool
08:46 swift110-phone2 Me too
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09:06 CWz hey VanessaE
09:11 VanessaE hi
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09:47 waressearcher2 JamesTait: what is the tomorrow day ?
09:48 JamesTait Tomorrow is Friday! 😃
09:48 waressearcher2 no is that a day of what ?
09:49 waressearcher2 give some spoilers
09:49 Calinou trollday
09:49 waressearcher2 Calinou: day of the company that created QT framework ?
09:49 Calinou heh
09:49 JamesTait Blimey, tomorrow is packed!
09:49 Calinou I wonder how a company could seriously be called "Trolltech"
09:51 JamesTait Boss' Day; Steve Jobs Day; Dictionary Day; Department Store Day (srsly?); Feral Cat Day (!??!?); World Food Day.
09:52 JamesTait According to a so-called "Geek Calendar" I subscribed to, today is Ada Lovelace Day, but I thought that was the other day?
09:53 JamesTait http://findingada.com/ seems to agree with me.
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10:55 VanessaE sfan5: *poke*
10:55 Jordach meow
10:55 Jordach ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
10:55 VanessaE sfan5: I finally put your collectstatic.sh script into use...  http://minetest.digitalaudi​oconcepts.com/server-media/
10:56 sfan5 did it work
10:56 VanessaE yep after a couple changes
10:57 VanessaE I split it into http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobb​ies/minetest/Server-scripts/collectstatic.sh (to handle the file naming) and http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbie​s/minetest/Server-scripts/build-media-dirs.sh (to handle putting them all together into one dir so as to avoid dupes)
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11:18 * Calinou slowpokes people, instead of poking them
11:21 waressearcher2 !g smallpox
11:21 MinetestBot waressearcher2: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smallpox
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11:29 VanessaE sfan5: since each file is named for its sha1 hash, isn't there some way to turn that hash into the binary form that index.mth needs?
11:31 sfan5 VanessaE: of course there is, but what would that help with?
11:32 VanessaE well in your script you cat through all the files twice - once to create the filename, and then a second time to get the sha1 digest of the same files
11:35 VanessaE looks like I could just echo the text hash | openssl dgst -binary -sha1
11:39 VanessaE hm, nope.
11:40 sfan5 openssl dgst -binary -sha1 hashes the input and outputs the sha1 hash as binary
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12:00 VanessaE ah, got i t.
12:01 VanessaE echo -ne hex_hash |xxd -r -p - >binary_file
12:02 VanessaE (didn't realize xxd could do that)
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12:07 VanessaE hm, or not.
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12:11 crazyR hey all :D
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12:14 VanessaE hi
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12:45 swift110-phone2 Hi
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13:12 VanessaE sfan5: the above 'echo' method works.  oddly, it's not any faster than hashing the files again O_o
13:12 VanessaE (must be system caching at this point)
13:13 VanessaE (if you reload the "build-..." link, you'll see it in practice)
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13:27 cessna151 wiki account plz... Thx!  https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=3&t=10473
13:29 kaeza Calinou, ^
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13:35 Xeprione hello
13:38 Calinou https://lut.im/rGleW98Fm8/N6hrprfbYLWfzltX.png
13:38 Calinou texturing stuff
13:39 Xeprione looks not loaded
13:39 Xeprione i mean it's still loading :D
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13:41 Xeprione hey Calinou
13:41 Xeprione do you know any place where i could host my blog for free?
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13:41 Calinou GitHub
13:41 Calinou it has a Pages service, where you write your blog using Jekyll
13:42 Calinou (or static HTML, or another static site generator)
13:42 Calinou you get a subdomain xxxxx.github.io
13:42 Calinou with your nickname
13:42 Calinou minetest.net is hosted on GitHub Pages for instance
13:42 Calinou (it uses a CNAME to link the domain to minetest.github.io)
13:43 Xeprione woah, did not know that :O
13:43 Calinou this means you can't use a PHP back-end though
13:43 Calinou no database, no "CMS"...
13:43 Calinou but for many uses, if you know HTML/CSS/JS, it's not a problem
13:43 Xeprione so, no Wordpress?
13:44 Calinou no, you can't use WordPress
13:44 Calinou you can't use any back-end code
13:44 Calinou only front-end
13:44 Xeprione ok
13:44 Calinou this doesn't mean your pages can't be dynamic, you can still use client-side JavaScript to make some things dynamic
13:44 Xeprione wait, what does minetest use for the minetest forums then?
13:44 Calinou the forums are hosted on celeron55' VPS
13:44 Xeprione oh ok
13:44 Calinou it used to use nearlyfreespeech too
13:47 Xeprione fuck it, imma use github for a static blog... :P
13:50 Xeprione oh and Calinou, i know i'm allowed to edit minetest's source code, but am i allowed to make my own forks for it, that *might* include some features, that make it easier for the user to play?
13:50 Xeprione like a lot easier
13:50 Xeprione (i mean with hacks)
13:50 Xeprione i'm allowed to do that, right? :D
13:51 est31 Xeprione, everybody can fork minetest
13:52 Xeprione i know that
13:52 est31 as long as you are compliant with its license
13:52 Xeprione it will
13:52 Xeprione but my question isn't that...
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13:52 Xeprione my question was if i am allowed to make forks with cheats :D
13:52 Xeprione as many as it's possible on the client-side
13:53 Xeprione like, i've seen that when i used CheatEngine, speedhack worked
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13:53 Xeprione so the speed of the player isn't really calculated by the server
13:53 est31 it is
13:53 Xeprione which means it's possible to make it
13:53 Xeprione wait, the speed IS calculated by the server?
13:53 est31 yes and no
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13:54 Xeprione by calculating it, i mean does the client send the direction of the player to the server and then the server moves the player a certain distance
13:54 Xeprione or does the player move, then send the new location to the server?
13:54 Xeprione if it's the second one, speedhack should work
13:56 CWz This could really make some server admins really livid
13:56 Xeprione i know :D
13:56 Xeprione but did you know that...
13:57 Xeprione in order to fix security exploits
13:57 Xeprione one has to first find one
13:57 CWz yes
13:57 Xeprione so i think, i might be on to something here
13:57 Xeprione i'll make that client for testing
13:57 Xeprione and then maybe change the server code to fix that
13:58 kaeza but sometimes, it's hard to justify "to find security exploits" while you steal a million dollars in the proces ;)
13:58 kaeza +s
13:58 Xeprione depends
13:58 CWz hmm
13:58 Xeprione if you give all of the money back, the company will probably hire you
13:58 Xeprione and won't press charges
13:59 Xeprione that's just my opinion
13:59 CWz minecraft has a noclip anti cheat by default maybe i would be possible to figure how it works and then implement it to minetest
14:00 Xeprione do it
14:00 Xeprione oh btw, download intellij
14:00 Xeprione it has a java decompiler
14:00 Xeprione (wink wink)
14:00 Xeprione the source code is obfuscated...
14:00 Xeprione but i mean, if you're up for it, do it :D
14:00 Xeprione yolo :D
14:03 Xeprione what? crap, i thought i was gonna be the first to think about it.... but i'll still give it a shot after i finish pixelbird 2
14:04 est31 minecraft's anti-cheat is dead simple, but it requires additional computation by the server
14:05 est31 (at least what Calinou told me about the anti cheat feature, never played minecraft myself, or read about that anticheat)
14:06 Xeprione well, how about i try to make a fork of the server, that will include the anti-cheat feature
14:06 Xeprione for those who want it
14:07 CWz minecraft also has a bukkit mod called NocheatPlus which has lots of anti cheating stuff
14:07 est31 but Xeprione if you have looked at the source code of minecraft, then its bad
14:07 est31 you know, copyright enfringement and so on
14:07 est31 in*
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14:10 est31 if you haven't, feel free to give it a try.
14:10 Calinou yes, it is fully server-side
14:11 Xeprione_ i'm back, what did i miss
14:11 est31 http://lotrgames.wikia.com/w​iki/Nazgul#Behind_the_Scenes
14:11 CWz Xeprione_: nothing that i am aware of
14:11 Calinou Xeprione_, you are allowed to make cheats btw
14:11 Calinou but don't complain if you get banned :D
14:12 Xeprione_ ok :D
14:12 est31 <est31> but Xeprione if you have looked at the source code of minecraft, then its bad
14:12 est31 <est31> you know, copyright enfringement and so on
14:12 est31 in*
14:12 Xeprione_ so on*
14:12 Xeprione_ not in
14:12 est31 infringement
14:12 est31 not enfringement
14:12 Xeprione_ oh
14:13 Xeprione_ i thought you meant so in :D
14:13 est31 :)
14:13 CWz making simple cheats in minetest is easy as screwing up a pie receipt  no need for c++ knowledge just knowning how the syntax works is enough
14:13 Xeprione_ yes, but what if i also make a wallhack? :D
14:13 Xeprione_ useless, because usernames are visible
14:13 Xeprione_ but for fun :D
14:13 est31 wallhack??
14:14 Xeprione_ it's a hack/cheat with what you can see people through walls
14:14 est31 ah
14:14 CWz what about block nuker?
14:14 Xeprione_ a block what-er?
14:14 est31 this is what all the people demand
14:14 est31 ability to do wallhacks
14:14 Calinou it's possible to make: wallhack, partial god mode (against fall and per-second damage), noclip, speedhack (servers with anti-cheat disabled)
14:14 Calinou aimbot obviously
14:15 est31 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/1345
14:15 Dead_Thinker Hi, sorry to ask, but is this a dev channel mostly?
14:15 Calinou Dead_Thinker, no, it is #minetest-dev
14:15 est31 no
14:15 Xeprione_ no
14:15 Xeprione_ but how about a hack with what the player can get items?
14:15 Xeprione_ is it possible? :D
14:15 est31 in 1345 you find all the people who demand ability to do wallhack
14:15 est31 Xeprione_, no
14:15 Xeprione_ it's server-side, huh...
14:16 est31 most of the stuff is server-side
14:16 Dead_Thinker Calinou: thanks
14:16 * Teckla wants 2 cheats: client-side time-of-day cheat (so it can be daytime locally, even if nighttime on the server), and no-clouds cheat  :)
14:16 est31 but we'll get clientside scripting, so lotsa modders will execute code on the client
14:16 est31 and lots of that code will be trusted
14:17 Xeprione_ teckla, that's possible tho
14:17 Xeprione_ i think
14:17 Xeprione_ by just removing the bit of code that draws the clouds
14:17 Xeprione_ and removing the day-cycle part
14:17 Calinou client-side time of day faking is possible, has been done on Minecraft
14:18 Calinou enable_clouds = false for no clouds
14:18 Calinou this is no cheat
14:18 Xeprione_ oh ok :D
14:18 Xeprione_ oh right
14:18 Xeprione_ i forgot there was that too :D
14:20 Xeprione_ i should seriously take a look at mt's code :D
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14:21 Xeprione_ oh.. i have an idea tho :D
14:22 Xeprione_ something that could resemble a simple wallhack would be to make everything displayed in wireframe, except the players
14:24 Calinou just display players ahead of geometry
14:24 Calinou possibly making them have an outline using shaders
14:25 Xeprione_ oh, true
14:25 Xeprione_ there's just one thing about that...
14:25 Xeprione_ i don't know anything about glsl :D haven't really used it
14:27 Calinou http://calinou1.deviantart.com/
14:27 Calinou here's my metal textures
14:27 Teckla Calinou: Oh gosh, thanks for mentioning enable_clouds!
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14:35 Xeprione_ hey, does anybody know how i can set up MT inside Visual Studio 2012?
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14:37 kaeza Xeprione_, cmake -G "Visual Studio 11 2012"
14:38 kaeza then open the resulting workspace or something
14:38 kaeza see also `cmake --help`
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14:39 Xeprione crashed again
14:39 Xeprione don't know why
14:39 Xeprione how do i reply?
14:40 kaeza "Windows NT 6.3" is that Vista?
14:40 Xeprione not sure, might be
14:40 Jordach possibly 7
14:41 kaeza aaanyway, <kaeza> Xeprione_, cmake -G "Visual Studio 11 2012"
14:41 Xeprione thanks
14:41 kaeza sure
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14:43 kaeza Jordach, acually, 8.1 :I
14:43 kaeza MS versioning scheme is hilarious
14:44 kaeza almost like using patch number as minor ve... *ahem*
14:45 Xeprione :D
14:46 Xeprione well fuck
14:46 Xeprione my toenail made a hole in my sock
14:46 kaeza TMI
14:46 Xeprione :D
14:48 Xeprione anyway, imma go play some cs while cmake downloads...
14:48 Xeprione (it's gonna take a while, my speed is 30kb/sec)
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15:10 Calinou 5.1 = XP, 6 = Vista, 6.1 = 7, 6.2 = 8, 6.3 = 8.1, 10 = 10
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15:50 * Teckla really dislikes Windows 10  :|
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16:04 luizrpgluiz hi all :)
16:06 TheWild hi luizrpgluiz
16:09 luizrpgluiz TheWild: Hi :)
16:11 TheWild can Minetest rotate entities arbitrarily, or over single plane only?
16:13 Calinou Teckla, https://github.com/10se1ucgo/DisableWinTracking
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16:13 Calinou it's the least worst Windows ever made, actually
16:13 Teckla Calinou: Interesting
16:15 Calinou it's a Python script
16:16 Calinou ultimately, it does such things :P
16:16 Calinou source code is there, you can read it
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17:05 TheWild hello?
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17:06 Calinou TheWild, only yaw rotation is supported. no pitch or roll.
17:06 Calinou entities have no pitch and roll in Minetest.
17:06 TheWild ok, thanks Calinou.
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17:19 TheWild That's sad.
17:19 TheWild https://youtu.be/ji3jCi2xLKM?t=50s, he just rolled the wagon upside down. MC was intended to be just some specific game but has its internal engine far more "powerful" than Minetest. Why they can and we can't?
17:20 TheWild by saying "powerful" I mean that allowing rotation over additional axis isn't anything special, most games has it. It just fundamental to the engine!
17:20 TheWild Minetest is like open-source car
17:21 TheWild that turns only left
17:23 TheWild for long time I considered Minetest as crappy substitute for Minecraft, it was 0.3. I downloaded it yet once more when it was 0.4.11 just to give it a try.
17:23 TheWild And got real kick in the ass - holy crap, it got modding API!
17:24 TheWild I believed this is some serious API, not a mishmesh
17:25 TheWild sorry guys that I'm such a jerk, but I thought that I can just start coding my own blocks and monsters and the only limit is my imagination.
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17:27 RichardTheTurd TheWild: Remember that MT is an open source game and there aren't any devs who get paid to code/maintain the game. Its all open source and open source game do have limitations
17:28 RichardTheTurd Its all done on free time and with that in mind comes the delays for features to be introduced or created.
17:28 asl97 RichardTheTurd: imo, close source game have much more limitations
17:28 Calinou some open source games are made commercially, eg. Ryzom
17:28 Calinou please don't oppose open source to commercial
17:28 RichardTheTurd I wasnt aware that there were any
17:29 Calinou it would be both discouraging for people who want to make commercial games that respect user freedom, and wrong
17:29 RichardTheTurd MT is the only open source game that i'm aware of
17:29 TheWild RichardTheTurd: I remember, but e.g. I wouldn't bring only setter method where getter is pretty logical.
17:31 Teckla I disrespect user freedom  ;)
17:31 RichardTheTurd Aren't character movements limited by the irrlicht engine anyway?
17:31 Calinou how so?
17:31 proller some peoples just sell minetest - https://play.google.com/store/apps/d​etails?id=com.MultiCraft.Beta.Elite
17:32 Calinou "Elite" lol
17:32 RichardTheTurd I know I got blender movements to playback in mt but couldn't get the arms and legs to move on user input
17:32 Calinou proller, he does it legally since he releases source code...
17:33 RichardTheTurd is irrlicht a render engine or a base engine?
17:33 asl97 TheWild: some mc mod overrides the engine to get pass limitations, there nothing stopping you from making a mod directly into the engine bypassing the `limited` api
17:33 RichardTheTurd forge is one
17:33 Calinou RichardTheTurd, 3D engine.
17:33 Calinou it's not a game engine specifically
17:33 Calinou it's like OGRE
17:34 RichardTheTurd Thats what I thought.
17:34 Calinou in contrast, Urho3D is more of a game engine, it already offers audio and scripting
17:34 Calinou and even networking
17:34 RichardTheTurd I wonder if it'd be possible to port MT over to Unity3D....
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17:35 RichardTheTurd probably not as its mostly all LUA
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17:37 Calinou please don't :D
17:37 * TheWild scratching his head.
17:37 TheWild no, no! I don't want to hear about any closed-source stuff in Minetest.
17:38 RichardTheTurd Unity3D is closed source?
17:38 Calinou yes
17:38 Calinou use Godot instead :)
17:38 Calinou http://godotengine.org/projects/godot-engine
17:39 RichardTheTurd The image under "Innovative Design" got me XD.
17:40 RichardTheTurd Big question is does it support CUDA/OCL
17:40 Calinou no
17:40 Calinou it uses OpenGL ES 2.0 for 3D rendering, which is dated
17:40 Calinou a rewrite to Vulkan or OpenGL ES 3.0 is planned next year
17:40 RichardTheTurd darn. I wanted to see if there was a way to get MT to use the GPU
17:40 Krock !g mniip LUA
17:40 MinetestBot Krock: https://github.com/mniip/LUA
17:41 Krock ^ RichardTheTurd, the LUA for you
17:41 * TheWild scratching his head.
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17:42 TheWild what such engine makes easier?
17:42 Calinou RichardTheTurd, Minetest already uses the GPU for rendering...
17:42 Calinou the problem is that you can't rely on CUDA or OpenCL for "generic" computing too much, because servers don't have graphics card and CPU emulation is slower than native CPU code
17:42 Calinou moreover, it's still not entriely stable
17:42 Krock bottlenecks everywhere
17:42 RichardTheTurd barely though. My GTX660 usually sits around 8% and thats with YouTube Running in the background
17:44 RichardTheTurd imma try out a DX build
17:44 Krock Heh. CPU gets on its limit when running YouTube
17:45 RichardTheTurd What's the CURL for anyway?
17:46 Krock Fetching serverlist and downloading media
17:46 Krock Announcing to master server if running on minetest-server
17:46 RichardTheTurd Sooo I could upload the textures and such to another server and have clients fetch from there??
17:46 asl97 not everybody has access to opengl 3 or newer
17:46 RichardTheTurd I use 4.5
17:47 Calinou literally 99,9% of people do, asl97
17:47 Calinou even the free/libre drivers support OpenGL 3.3 since a while, and a few support 4.1
17:47 Calinou RichardTheTurd, Direct3D is not well supported in Minetest. for instance, you can't use shaders since we have only GLSL shaders and not HLSL shaders
17:47 Krock Calinou, ack. I feel so small in this 0.1%
17:48 asl97 Calinou: if you count software opengl then yea, most do
17:48 RichardTheTurd Krock: What GPU?
17:48 Calinou I don't
17:48 Krock Radeon X200
17:48 Krock s/200/300/
17:48 Krock doesn't make it better anyway ;)
17:48 RichardTheTurd yeah......... that doesnt support ogl3
17:49 asl97 software opengl is so slow compare to gpu
17:49 RichardTheTurd yup
17:49 Calinou software rendering is always slow
17:49 Calinou even a transparent surface can make it choke
17:49 Calinou (when it's supported)
17:50 RichardTheTurd Is there a reason why the Water looks more realistic on a Radeon card than it does on a Geforce card?
17:50 Calinou screenshots?
17:50 Calinou image quality does vary between brands, but it's invisible to most people.
17:50 Calinou AMD cards had a tendency to display colors in a slightly more satured manner, out of the box
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17:51 Calinou at least that's what a 2010 Nexuiz image comparison done by Phoronix showed
17:51 RichardTheTurd I was wondering.
17:51 RichardTheTurd Thought it was just me
17:52 RichardTheTurd What does video_driver = null do?
17:52 Calinou it prevents the game from creating any display
17:53 asl97 what about mobile user?, i kind of doubt most of them would support opengl es 3
17:53 RichardTheTurd ...... Why would that even be an option then lmao
17:53 TheWild ^ "it prevents the game from creating any display" that is Minetest Blind Fury edition
17:54 Calinou asl97, it's decently supported
17:54 Calinou unlike ES 3.1 and the recently released ES 3.2
17:54 RichardTheTurd I hope my motherboard supports ECC Parity ram or can atleast ignore the ECC. Bought a 16GB ddr2 kit for $25 shipped and would hate to have to ship it back
17:55 RichardTheTurd MT with D3D9 enabled = doomsday
17:56 Calinou there is a Doom source port called Doomsday. but it uses OpenGL :p
17:58 RichardTheTurd How would I setup CURL to fetch textures from another server?
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17:59 Calinou you could theorically point your remote_media address to the same as another server
17:59 Calinou it would work best if you ran the same mods
17:59 Calinou but you need to know it :)
17:59 Calinou the client doesn't really expose it, but you could hack it around to do that
18:00 RichardTheTurd So I couldn't just use a cloud storage service?
18:00 Calinou it wouldn't be suitable.
18:00 Calinou not only your base URL would be long, but also there might be rate limiting and such.
18:00 Calinou I wonder if you could use GitHub Pages though...
18:01 RichardTheTurd that would be awesome
18:01 Calinou why not rent a VPS though?
18:01 Calinou you can host game servers, Mumble server, your website, e-mail on it
18:01 Calinou and much more
18:02 Calinou and you learn networking at the same time :P
18:02 RichardTheTurd I'm cheap lol
18:03 RichardTheTurd I have the HW just not the upstream bandwidth.
18:03 Calinou http://lowendbox.com/ this?
18:06 RichardTheTurd Need more ram/cpu for WE, mesecons and technic
18:08 RichardTheTurd I see that a websight just tried to tamper with chrome as I got redirected to a fake google.com
18:09 crazyR ram is your main concern. cpu's usually dont get touched to much other than while the mapgen is doing its magic...
18:10 RichardTheTurd I was thinking more of this http://www.1and1.com/vps-hosting-packages#server if I go that route. But then again I might aswell get a dedicated server then.
18:10 crazyR kimsufi
18:10 RichardTheTurd crazyR: true
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18:11 Calinou why a dedicated server when you can get a VPS?
18:11 Calinou which is likely more secure and such
18:11 crazyR kimsufi do some really good deals for cheap dedi's or you have ovh classic vps's just as cheap
18:12 RichardTheTurd Because it'd give me more control.
18:12 Calinou how so?
18:12 Calinou both give you root access
18:14 crazyR what ever you decide.... avoid  http://www.1and1.com at all costs.... they rip you off, over share there vps's and there supports is crap.. i had a vps with them a few years ago and since ditching them i havent looked back
18:14 RichardTheTurd I had a feeling.
18:15 RichardTheTurd I dont like using shared HW for security concerns.
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18:16 Calinou yeah, 1and1 has poor reputation
18:16 crazyR https://www.ovh.com/us/vps/vps-ssd.xml <-- that will work for you. plenty of resources to start you off. and its KVM based vps's meaning that its virtually as secure as having a dedi
18:17 RichardTheTurd Thats another feature I needed. I prefer the good ole GUI
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18:17 RichardTheTurd The VPS SSD 3 looks most appealing
18:17 Calinou my VPS has a SSD too
18:17 Calinou rented from Ikoula, a French provider.
18:17 Calinou 1 GB RAM, 1 CPU only though
18:17 Calinou but 50 GB of SSD
18:17 Calinou costs 7.5 €/month
18:18 Calinou it's a cloud VM system
18:18 Builder123 hi est :)
18:18 RichardTheTurd I noticed that WE also benefits from an SSD as it does a lot of random i/o
18:18 RichardTheTurd r/w*
18:18 Calinou anything does really
18:18 Calinou even installing packages
18:20 est31 hi builder
18:20 est31 especially installing packages
18:20 est31 I really wonder whether apt could be speeded up
18:21 Calinou I use dnf :p
18:21 Builder123 est, I know that u r busy  I wanted to say hi and thanks for all the assistance rendered by you :)
18:21 RichardTheTurd I'll sign up for the VPS SSD 3 next month
18:22 est31 np, thanks
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18:22 RichardTheTurd if I have the money which I should.
18:23 Builder123 yw est - bye
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18:31 bleak_fire_ Hi
18:31 RichardTheTurd hi
18:31 bleak_fire_ How TF did someone manage to fill an admin-protected area with plants and remove admin-owned, admin-protected travelnets
18:32 bleak_fire_ and most of all, how come i dont see it in debug.txt?
18:33 bleak_fire_ How TF did this happen? The area is almost entirely covered in protection logos!
18:33 Krock TF?
18:33 bleak_fire_ the fuck
18:34 bleak_fire_ i cant find any evidence of anything in the logs
18:34 Krock there may be a leak in the worldedit or any other landscape manipulating mod
18:34 bleak_fire_ worldedit is not installed
18:34 RichardTheTurd What mods?
18:34 Krock Usually you don't install mods at all :P
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18:35 bleak_fire_ a bunch
18:35 Krock oh very helpful.
18:35 RichardTheTurd Did you go crazy with the mods like I did?
18:35 bleak_fire_ i dont think so
18:36 bleak_fire_ more importantly i shut down the server last night to do backups and it was fine
18:36 bleak_fire_ i think
18:36 est31 perhaps they've guessed your password?
18:36 bleak_fire_ i doubt it, it's long and random
18:36 Krock 123456789
18:36 crazyR 123465789??
18:36 Krock it's long but not random :/
18:37 TheWild tell us our password and we'll tell you whether it was strong enough
18:37 bleak_fire_ funny
18:37 TheWild s/our/your
18:37 Krock *cough* http://bash.org/?244321
18:38 bleak_fire_ nope my account did not place the juncus leaves everywhere
18:38 bleak_fire_ or place any unusual travelnets
18:38 crazyR pmsl Krick
18:38 crazyR *Krock
18:39 rubenwardy pmsl "Krick"
18:39 crazyR lol
18:39 Krock !g pmsl abbreviation
18:39 MinetestBot Krock: http://www.internetslang.com​/PMSL-meaning-definition.asp
18:39 bleak_fire_ i have no time for jokes right now i'm extremely pissed off
18:39 Krock Thanks, MTB
18:39 bleak_fire_ i almost want to hurt someone
18:39 est31 bleak_fire_, have you done /deleteblocks?
18:39 crazyR erm.... if everything was fine before your back up...... try restoring your backup :/
18:39 bleak_fire_ it apparently wasnt
18:39 bleak_fire_ i did restore the backup and it didnt matter
18:40 crazyR you just siad it was fine
18:40 bleak_fire_ other travelnets are fine
18:40 Krock crazyR, ^^ there are many more good quotes, just browse
18:40 bleak_fire_ i'm pretty sure it was
18:40 bleak_fire_ i can restore last weeks
18:40 bleak_fire_ i was hoping to find the asshole and revert only him
18:40 bleak_fire_ if not kill him
18:40 Krock rollbackcheck
18:41 * Krock imagines bleak_fire_ with a diamond sword in his hands, hitting some guest account to deat
18:41 Krock h
18:41 bleak_fire_ no guest accounts are prohibited
18:41 bleak_fire_ i used the serveressentials mod
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18:44 bleak_fire_ i cant find any evidence of people chatting
18:44 bleak_fire_ and being unhappy
18:45 Krock huh
18:46 bleak_fire_ or trollish vandalism
18:46 bleak_fire_ chatting  meaning complaining about problems
18:47 Krock can't agree.
18:48 bleak_fire_ moreover the protection blocks on the mg-generated street have all been replaced too
18:48 bleak_fire_ with juncus
18:48 bleak_fire_ which a grep doesnt show anything suspicious
18:48 bleak_fire_ juncus is all over town
18:48 bleak_fire_ the protection blocks on buildings including the ones supposedly protecting travelnets are fine
18:49 bleak_fire_ is it possible to roll back periods of time for everyone?
18:49 Krock only with enabled rollback
18:49 bleak_fire_ i have a backup but it's a few days old
18:49 bleak_fire_ i think i did
18:49 bleak_fire_ yep
18:49 bleak_fire_ i thought that only applied to individual players
18:50 bleak_fire_ does rollback depend on the debug.txt? because i renamed and gzipped the original when doing backups
18:51 bleak_fire_ i can put them together if i have to
18:51 bleak_fire_ nope rollback apparently is only the player
18:56 bleak_fire_ anyone have any ideas?
18:56 bleak_fire_ my last backup was the 11th and everything there is fine
18:57 bleak_fire_ apparently it happened sometime during the 14th
18:57 bleak_fire_ but rollback says it only does players
18:57 bleak_fire_ individually
19:03 bleak_fire_ i think i found the culprit
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19:16 bleak_fire_ Well just my luck there are hosting problems. But I do think I know the asshole and he will most certainly be banned
19:17 bleak_fire_ Dont know how he managed to do this but
19:17 bleak_fire_ Have there been cases of new users modifying heavily protected by admin areas?
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19:18 bleak_fire_ I know Pizza Server has a bunch of junk near the spawn point
19:18 RichardTheTurd VanessaE: You here?
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19:29 bleak_fire_ Nothing to do
19:29 bleak_fire_ Reverting actions FAILED
19:29 bleak_fire_ ???
19:29 bleak_fire_ he's there
19:29 bleak_fire_ he's in the players folder
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19:30 bleak_fire_ anyone here?
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19:33 bleak_fire_ i got two reverted by using 100000000000
19:33 bleak_fire_ but then i see a bunch of "unknown action" which cannot be reverted
19:35 bleak_fire_ Everyone is listed as 86400s????
19:35 bleak_fire_ including me?
19:36 bleak_fire_ HOW DID HE DO THIS?
19:36 bleak_fire_ AND WHAT DO I DO ABOUT IT?
19:36 bleak_fire_ PROTECTION LOGOS WERE ALL OVER THE FUCKING PLACE
19:36 DI3HARD139 caps and pastebin the log
19:36 DI3HARD139 please
19:37 bleak_fire_ which part of the log, me trying to revert the actions or the actual actions of the individual?
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19:47 bleak_fire_ ok thank god i managed to do it
19:47 bleak_fire_ targeted the wrong user
19:47 bleak_fire_ now i see i can ban an ip
19:47 bleak_fire_ can i ban a user?
19:49 bleak_fire_ hmm /ban says "no such player" when either the ip or the player is used
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19:52 bleak_fire_ i can ban using iptables i guess
19:52 bleak_fire_ but would rather ban using minetest
19:52 bleak_fire_ if anyone knew how to do it
19:53 bleak_fire_ because i when i type "/ban username" or "/ban hisipaddress" it doesnt work
19:53 bleak_fire_ it says "no such player"
19:53 bleak_fire_ was that because i reverted the content first?
19:53 bleak_fire_ he is listed still there and i was able to revoke his privs
19:58 bleak_fire_ nope still gives that error
20:03 bleak_fire_ i wonder what will happen if i bitbucket him from the player directory...
20:04 rubenwardy install xban2
20:04 rubenwardy !mod xban2
20:04 MinetestBot rubenwardy: Extended Ban v2 [xban2] by kaeza - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=9315
20:04 rubenwardy It allows you to ban offline players
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20:07 bleak_fire_ i c
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20:15 Calinou Jordach, do you plan to update Sam player model to support 1.8 Minecraft skins?
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20:16 TheWild oh crap, something changed in 1.8 with skins?
20:16 Calinou yes, new format
20:17 Calinou 64×64 skins, supporting separate arm/leg skinning and overlays on whole body
20:17 Calinou I think we should upgrade to it
20:17 bleak_fire_ thank you rubenwardy, DI3HARD139, Krock, et al
20:17 TheWild oh, I didn't know, I'm out of date. Thanks Calinou.
20:18 bleak_fire_ think i'll random.org the guy's password just in case
20:19 bleak_fire_ no not random.org
20:19 Calinou set their password to "<player name> sucks"
20:19 Calinou :)
20:19 bleak_fire_ i forget the site but gets the seed from random.org
20:20 rubenwardy Calinou, BFD supports it
20:20 rubenwardy !mod BigFreakingDig
20:20 MinetestBot rubenwardy: Could not find anything.
20:20 rubenwardy !mod Big Freaking Dig
20:20 rubenwardy !mod BFD
20:20 MinetestBot rubenwardy: Could not find anything.
20:20 rubenwardy !mod Big Freaking Dig
20:20 rubenwardy !mod Big Freaking Dig
20:20 bleak_fire_ https://www.random.org/passwords/
20:20 rubenwardy https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=9036
20:22 DI3HARD139 grrrrr friggen display driver...
20:26 bleak_fire_ hmm i wonder if its best to wait for an xban first and then random.org his password...
20:26 bleak_fire_ since xban2 wont let me add his past ip
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20:28 bleak_fire_ yep think i will
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20:47 TheWild Minetest needs gears, like those in Lego blocks!
20:52 STHGOM !mod gears
20:52 MinetestBot STHGOM: Gears [gears] by 12Me21 - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=5858
20:54 STHGOM tada!
21:09 TheWild this way! Ok, thanks
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22:01 MinetestBot [git] est31 -> minetest/minetest: Fix enforcing of nametag hiding b600bc3 http://git.io/vCDlM (2015-10-15T23:46:03+02:00)
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23:25 tahr63781 anyone into redstone computing?
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23:37 wilkgr I´m making a mod, with giant tools, how can I make a tool actually look really big, bigger than the normal tools?

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