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00:25 GunshipPenguin the new map_generation_limit setting does not seem to be having any effect for me when using the latest stable minetest and minetest_game, is anybody else experiencing the same problem?
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01:09 sloantothebone GunshipPenguin, how do i set map_generation_limit?
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03:51 RealBadAngel https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=9&t=13094
03:51 RealBadAngel ^^mese crystals mod if somebody wants to try it
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04:59 FreeFull RealBadAngel: Oh, that's pretty cool!
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05:04 swift110-phone Hey
05:04 RealBadAngel FreeFull, thx
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05:50 swift110-phone Hey
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06:01 swift110-phone Ok
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06:57 CWz did Zeno` release his ogre3d version of minetest yet?
06:58 CWz I want to test
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07:31 rater193_ hello!
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07:41 Krock hi
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08:00 rater193_ anyone here mod minetest?
08:00 rater193_ or no
08:00 rater193_ just wondering
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08:04 xenkey rater193_: sorry modders are very skilled were not skilled enough to do mods in lua
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08:05 rater193_ ah
08:05 rater193_ ive got nearly 10 years of exp in modding with lua
08:06 rater193_ i was just wondering how poerful it is
08:06 rater193_ *powerfful
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08:07 rater193_ xenkey: are there verry many unique servers? because with what ive been able to do, ive been able to completly re-write the api to do practically anything
08:07 rater193_ if there are not many unique servers, ill have no competition :)
08:08 xenkey there are no servers
08:08 xenkey all the servers i the list are fake
08:08 rater193_ so essentially all servers are the same?
08:08 rater193_ perfect, now i can change the face of yet another game xD
08:09 rater193_ im going to code the entire game with a unique RPG element, and use it as my entry code to join the developers
08:10 rater193_ btw, i already got rid of the default inventory, and now am using a custom inventory
08:10 rater193_ to work with a rpg themed inventory
08:13 RealBadAngel rater193_, then visit forum and see the others work
08:14 RealBadAngel https://forum.minetest.net/viewforum.php?f=46
08:14 xenkey rater193_: you know everything i told you is false
08:14 xenkey why did you believe me
08:14 rater193_ im browsing the forums now
08:15 xenkey also i said "fake", not "one server"
08:15 rater193_ and lol
08:15 rater193_ i only just started modding it, ive tried minetest a while back, but left
08:15 rater193_ and i know its not 1 server, i was just wondering how many "game changing" servers there are
08:16 RealBadAngel there are many subgames for mt
08:16 xenkey uh
08:16 xenkey check the server list
08:16 xenkey top 10
08:18 rater193_ wow, there are some pretty cool servers, but ive yet to find a "rpg" server
08:19 rater193_ is it possible to change the camera view with the system?
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08:50 rubenwardy CWz http://irc.minetest.ru/min​etest/2015-08-23#i_4375060 no, it still needs work
08:52 rubenwardy rater193_, the mod support is a bit patchy, but it's being improved. Client side support will be added soon(TM) which will allow client side prediction and client side effects. Such as modifying input and camera views.
08:52 rubenwardy http://rubenwardy.com/minetest_modding_book/
08:52 rubenwardy the best guide, ofc
08:53 rubenwardy MT mods are plugins, where as MC mods are patches. You can still do patches in MT, but we don't consider them "mods" really.
08:55 rubenwardy oh, he's left
08:56 Krock you stole my words. yes he's gone
08:56 rubenwardy I doubt he'll be back, but:
08:56 rubenwardy !tell rater193_ http://irc.minetest.ru/min​etest/2015-08-23#i_4375123
08:56 MinetestBot rubenwardy: I'll pass that on when rater193_ is around
08:57 Krock Yeah, sure. Whatever.
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09:09 DusXMT rubenwardy: Well, with Forge, MC mods are more like plugins as well (with forge being a big "patch")
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09:17 Krock modded patchs..
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09:56 israuor Helloooo
10:04 TheWild yeeees?
10:05 TheWild hello israuor
10:05 israuor Just wanted to say hello
10:05 israuor 😜
10:08 israuor Yalla, back to work
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12:07 CWz hello everybody
12:07 ElectronLibre Hello CWz.
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12:19 * CWz was a drama target today
12:20 CWz glad it's over
12:20 CWz I hate misunderstandings
12:20 CWz needless drama
12:21 DusXMT Care to share in a nutshell? just curious~
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12:24 CWz *situation
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14:14 TheWild Today I found an old CD from 2002 taken from some magazine, with .NET Framework 1.1 on it. The same year when I got my first PC.
14:14 TheWild dang, if I could program in C# when I was a kid...
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14:19 xfceKris Where can I find the changelog for the 0.4.13 update?
14:19 xfceKris !changelog
14:19 xfceKris dang
14:20 xfceKris MinetestBot
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14:21 TheWild I think it is in some textfile in the game
14:22 TheWild well, I can't find it too
14:23 RealBadAngel http://dev.minetest.net/Changelog#0.4.12_.E2.86.92_0.4.13
14:25 TheWild yay! I was credited
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14:29 xfceKris Thank you RealBadAngel.
14:30 xfceKris I think the changelog should be linked in topic here as well...I don't know about anyone else, but I'm an avid changelog reader.
14:31 RealBadAngel if you would ask google for "minetest changelog" that link will be the first one to show ;)
14:31 xfceKris I did, it wasn't...
14:31 xfceKris dunno, maybe I misspelled something.
14:31 xfceKris fat fingers ya know.
14:32 RealBadAngel hehe
14:35 CWz I am surprised mojang/microsoft didn't have a shitfit over all the minecraft knockoff on android
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14:51 swift110-phone Ok
14:51 hoodedice Ok.
14:53 swift110-phone How r u hoodedice
14:53 hoodedice fine, I guess
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14:54 rater193 hello
14:54 hoodedice elo
14:54 rater193 anyone here know if we are allowed to use adfly links when posting mods?
14:54 rater193 if so, ill come to modding this fulltime
14:54 hoodedice You will receive flak from the userbase.
14:54 hoodedice better to post a donation link, if your mod is good enough, there might be people who will donate
14:54 rater193 ill give the option of ither direct or adfly
14:55 rater193 so it would advoid flak
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14:55 hoodedice on top of that, if you have a BTC wallet to donate to, you increase your chances of being donated to
14:55 hoodedice I guess that will work - direct + adfly
14:56 rater193 yup, ill post on there if people like the game, they can click the adfly link to help donate a bit
14:57 rater193 well, mod
14:57 rater193 also, this supports virtual currency? i didnt know that
14:58 rater193 i only just recently came back, however ive been using lua for almost 10 years
14:58 hoodedice no no, the game doesn't
14:58 freelikegnu you could say you must be fluant
14:58 rater193 but u said btc
14:58 rater193 bitcoins?
14:58 hoodedice you can post a wallet string on your forum post
14:58 rater193 right?
14:58 rater193 aaa i c
14:58 hoodedice not in your mod, that won't work.
14:59 rater193 btw, i know how annoying adfly links can be, i hate when people use adfly, but dont give a direct link
15:00 hoodedice I understand the need for adfly
15:00 rater193 i do to, but they should at least have the decency to post a direct download too
15:00 hoodedice However, the current ad market is shit at best. Remember that most people in this community are highly tech savvy
15:01 hoodedice therefore, many disable JS, use adblock and other privacy filters
15:01 rater193 and all the better, every community ive been a part of are tech illiterate
15:01 hoodedice and hate the notion of tracking. This is the biggest reason why we hate ads
15:02 rater193 and its understandable
15:02 rater193 thats why i said i would also post a direct link, and they can click adfly if they want
15:03 hoodedice Why bother?
15:04 hoodedice see, if your mod is good enough, you will get 1000 downloads. Assuming that adfly does $0.05 per 1000, you are getting only $0.05
15:04 hoodedice if you post in a paypal or your wallet address, someone will drop in $5 or $10
15:06 rater193 again, like i said, they will have the option to use adfly, if they dont have any money
15:06 rater193 as a way to donate, without having to donate
15:06 xfceKris I wonder what adfly's actually does give.
15:06 hoodedice *shrug* I think you should maybe finish the mod first
15:06 rater193 5$ per 1k
15:06 hoodedice making a mod can be quite a challenge as well
15:07 rater193 nope\
15:07 rater193 ive already made one
15:07 rater193 and its a game :)
15:07 rater193 i made a RPG system
15:07 rater193 has RPG stats, such as foraging, mining, attacking, and herding
15:08 rater193 also, you require certain mining levels to dig to certain depths
15:08 xfceKris I got to figure out how to turn this minetest hobby of mine into a bit of income.
15:08 rater193 thats what im going to try to do
15:08 rater193 im thinking about making a bunch of asthetic mods
15:08 rater193 such as more decoritive blocks
15:08 rater193 as well as an addon mod, for tech mods
15:08 rater193 for example
15:08 rater193 "MorePipes"
15:09 hoodedice well, you should publish it
15:09 hoodedice And look into project wonderful, they do ads without tracking
15:09 rater193 im not going to publish anything untill i have at least 5 mods to contribute
15:09 hoodedice well, good luck
15:09 rater193 thx
15:11 rater193 btw one of the things i will be doing to make donators have perks is they can get a special item ingame, modeled after what they want, for a donating 5$ or more
15:12 rater193 actually
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15:12 rater193 nvm
15:12 hoodedice *shrug*
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15:13 pakis03 hi
15:13 rater193 hello
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15:15 rater193 what if i were to make a money mod, that added a virtual currency, without using items
15:15 rater193 and make it into an API, so other mods can easily tap into it\
15:15 xenkey hey look its rater193 the gullible guy
15:15 rater193 ...
15:15 rater193 xD
15:16 Krock there are already other money mods
15:17 rater193 the only one ive seen was the one that added items
15:17 Krock based on selling nodes and chat comands
15:17 Krock !mod money2
15:17 MinetestBot Krock: Could not find anything.
15:17 Krock !mod money]
15:17 MinetestBot Krock: Money (or Economy) [money] by kotolegokot - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=2263
15:17 VanessaE !mod currency
15:17 MinetestBot VanessaE: Currency and economy [currency] by Dan Duncombe - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=7002
15:17 hoodedice Krock, he means real money >_>
15:17 VanessaE there it not currently any way to hook into cryptocurrencies, rater193.
15:17 Krock hoodedice, oh really? Haven't seen that part :(
15:18 rater193 hmmm....
15:18 VanessaE there are no API functions to even connect to a website, at this point
15:18 hoodedice you
15:18 rater193 im sure i can find a way to use a backend server to do it
15:18 rater193 for example
15:18 hoodedice you'll need to essentially make your own minetest build
15:18 rater193 have a folder of files as a buffer
15:18 hoodedice because I'm sure core won't accept it.
15:18 rater193 of commands that need to be executed
15:18 rater193 have a backend server look at those files and do actions acordingly
15:19 rater193 accordingly*
15:19 hoodedice rater, no way to connect to any online services, except maybe IRC
15:19 rater193 again\
15:19 rater193 its a custom backend server
15:19 rater193 winch i coded
15:19 hoodedice yes yes
15:19 rater193 lets say, using java, or c++
15:19 hoodedice but how will minetest connect to this custom backend server?
15:20 rater193 hmmm....
15:20 rater193 i would have to sit down and think about that one...
15:20 hoodedice indeed
15:20 rater193 lets say, i found an api
15:20 rater193 all it would require is the user to register on a website
15:21 rater193 so i would pop up a registration form for the users to fill
15:21 rater193 ugh, brb
15:21 hoodedice then you will realise that as VanessaE said, the lack of an API pulgin into core means that you will have to hardcode it, which essentially means making your own minetest build.
15:22 VanessaE the only possible way for minetest to communicate with an external process is by way of reading and writing files in the world directory, or via the IRC mod.
15:22 hoodedice how does IRC do it?
15:22 VanessaE (os.execute and related, will not be usable soon - mod security)
15:22 hoodedice does core have a special implementation for just that?
15:22 VanessaE IRC uses the luasocket library
15:23 hoodedice !g luasocket
15:23 MinetestBot hoodedice: http://w3.impa.br/~diego/software/luasocket/
15:23 VanessaE that's the one.
15:24 rater193 im back
15:24 hoodedice it does HTTP requests
15:24 hoodedice what's stopping it from connecting to web services >_>
15:24 rater193 again, my system wouldnt require a mod
15:24 rater193 since the lua is ran via the server
15:24 rater193 all i have to do is make it read-write using io.read and io.write
15:24 rater193 assuming it still has the io capabilities
15:24 rater193 winch is basic lua
15:25 rater193 lets say im hosting a server right?
15:26 rater193 and a player is currently wanting to check, lets say, the available balance for their currency
15:26 rater193 i could set up an api to load up their currency, using php
15:26 rater193 so i would have a php job check a folder, every 30 seconds for requests
15:26 hoodedice 2complex4minetest
15:27 rater193 and no, it wouldnt be
15:27 hoodedice > every 30 seconds
15:27 hoodedice too overkill m8
15:27 rater193 its rather simple
15:27 rater193 at least to me
15:27 rater193 well ,its designed for a non popular server
15:27 rater193 so if the server were to get popular
15:27 rater193 .....yeah
15:27 rater193 it would be designed to work with 500 players at a time
15:28 rater193 assuming you have a decent read/write speed for the harddrive
15:28 hoodedice I mean, do what you like, this is an open environment anyway
15:28 rater193 wait, minetest is open source?
15:28 rater193 i mean the engine itself
15:28 SylvieLorxu Both
15:29 SylvieLorxu Minetest is and its engine Irrlicht is too
15:29 rater193 well, that made things easier XD
15:29 hoodedice everything is.
15:29 hoodedice even hoodedice is open source
15:29 hoodedice ...talk about clueless here >_>
15:29 rater193 in that case i would just code a wrapper
15:29 rater193 i would talk in the dev ts, but nobody ever talks there
15:30 hoodedice they do, just intermittently
15:30 rater193 *chat
15:30 rater193 not ts
15:30 SylvieLorxu hoodedice: Well, if you are available for anyone for any use, go do my laundry
15:31 xfceKris Whatever you do rater193, just keep it within the license that minetest is released under.
15:31 rater193 lol
15:31 xfceKris Links for reference http://wiki.minetest.net/Licensing https://www.gnu.org/licenses/lgpl-2.1.html
15:31 rater193 alright, thanks
15:32 xfceKris Sorry guys, I've been stalking this whole convo.
15:33 hoodedice it is alright, the whole thing's logged anyway XD
15:33 rater193 lol
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15:33 rater193 anyways, any items you guys would like to see in minetest?
15:33 hoodedice Sylvie, you get the sand for free but you need to pay to move the sand :3
15:34 hoodedice a web browser.
15:34 hoodedice that plays youtube videos and has inbuilt ad block
15:34 hoodedice because minecraft has it.
15:34 rater193 lol
15:34 rater193 what about the chisel mod? :P
15:34 rater193 would u guys like that mod?
15:35 rater193 wait, are there any chat mods for minetest? to make a sexier looking chat
15:35 hoodedice there are
15:35 rater193 meh ill just search it, idk why i asked
15:35 rater193 ah ok
15:35 hoodedice or there are some in WIP
15:36 ElectronLibre There's chatplus but it's rather old, and chatlog to log chat in a separate file from server log.
15:36 ElectronLibre None of them changes the look of the chat though.
15:36 ElectronLibre There is also one I've seen that split the general chat into channels but I don't recall its name.
15:36 hoodedice someone did something with some colored chat
15:37 rater193 hmmm....what about group permissios, like what minecraft bukkit has
15:37 ElectronLibre It was an engine feature, but as every chat color API pull request it got abandonned.
15:37 rater193 *permissions
15:37 rater193 and wow that sux
15:39 hoodedice why?
15:39 hoodedice Because it used 1 more byte for displaying color?
15:39 hoodedice >_>
15:39 ElectronLibre I think that was the reason.
15:39 ElectronLibre Some weird looking way to input color,
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15:40 ElectronLibre And the fact that it was breaking retrocompatibility.
15:41 rater193 hmmm...
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15:59 xfceKris Why is it that I have a perfect connection to everything else I try to visit, but can't log in to a server? wtf...
15:59 xfceKris only since i updated to 4.13
16:00 ElectronLibre What do you mean you can't log in to a server? What does happen when you try?
16:01 xfceKris Connection times out
16:01 ElectronLibre Oh. That's a very vague error.
16:01 xfceKris Yeah, I know. That's why it's so frustrating.
16:02 xfceKris If it were more specific, then maybe I could do something about it.
16:02 ElectronLibre Check the logs of your client.
16:02 ElectronLibre If it says something else than "Connection timed out" that may help.
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16:04 xfceKris I can play locally of course, but I tried Xanadu, Dan's Carbone Server, as well as, VanessaE's Basic Plus. Just tells me "Connection timed out" every time.
16:06 xfceKris Could be my internet connection, but I'm not throttled and running at around 10mbps.
16:07 hoodedice ...0.4.13 is out already >_>
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16:07 xfceKris Also, the debug.txt shows the same error that is displayed when I get denied access to the server
16:07 xfceKris hoodedice: Where have you been? 0.4.13 has been out for three days now.
16:08 hoodedice installing xubuntu
16:08 hoodedice that's where I've been
16:12 xfceKris lol, speaking of which, I need to clean up and reinstall from scratch my xubuntu installation. I've just been updating and upgrading since 9.10..I'm on 14.04 now.lol
16:15 hoodedice wow
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16:15 hoodedice also, bbl
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18:32 rater193 *crickets*
18:33 Krock mooh
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18:45 Pakis03 Hi
18:46 Krock Hello
18:46 Pakis03 What's up?
18:48 Krock minetest.net is.
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19:36 TheWild damn! Horrible performance of this game makes it unenjoyable. I just edited the settings to have everything on 20 FPS and min/max range to 75 and it still randomly drops series of frames.
19:37 TheWild do I really have to buy new computer?
19:40 Calinou TheWild, what's your specs?
19:41 TheWild CPU: Pentium(R) Dual-Core CPU T4300 @ 2.10GHz
19:41 TheWild RAM: 3 GB (2 GB mostly available)
19:41 TheWild gfx: ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4330
19:42 TheWild my settings from yesterday: http://pastebin.com/gf6e7b7Y
19:44 Calinou this is 1) a mobile GPU 2) a crap one
19:44 TheWild It's like Minetest likes to hang for 0.2 s from time to time
19:44 Calinou why is parallax occlusion enabled?
19:45 TheWild I have shaders disabled, does parallax occlusion matter then?
19:45 Calinou probably not
19:48 TheWild "a crap one" - while it can run some other, still gfx-heavy games without such problem. Although it's not 60 FPS, yet smooth
19:48 Calinou it's really slow actually
19:49 Calinou but yes, Minetest got a lot clunkier with 0.4.13
19:50 Calinou there's nothing to do but to revert to older versions, pretty much
19:50 Calinou there are huge memory leaks to fix, the GPU is very poorly utilized...
19:50 Calinou I don't think we'll ever get back to the early 0.4 days where everything was butter smooth
19:50 TheWild ah, still suffering memory leaks
19:52 Calinou better have 8 GB of RAM for playing on some servers
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19:56 TheWild which statement is revelant to Minetest? 1. We don't know where leaks are happening, or 2. We know where leaks are, but they're hard to fix.
19:56 Calinou I think it's 2.
20:04 TheWild oh crap, devil at https://github.com/minetest/minete​st/blob/master/src/client.cpp#L224
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20:36 Sokomine hmmmm
20:36 Sokomine (er, sorry, didn't want to highlight. just thinking)
20:38 kahrl the downside of having a contemplative nick ;)
20:38 Sokomine theblazehen_: do you have save to localmap enabled? that can cause micro-hangs sometimes. wasn't noticeable with an ssd, but significant with a 2.5" drive for me
20:38 Sokomine only situation where i really noticed the difference between ssd and hd...
20:40 Sokomine kahrl: yes, guess so :-)
20:40 Sokomine right now, i'm more in need of paramat and/or shadowninja. i'd love to talk about tree generation as that's an issue for my villages and also often an issue for modders in general as well
20:41 Sokomine and i'm wondering if the texture for the sand mob can be applied to the player model
20:43 Emperor_Genshin Sandmen :D
20:44 Sokomine oh, hm. doesn't quite work. could be sold as a zombie to some degree i guess...definitely not what i want
20:50 OldCoder Sokomine, see Skyblock thread. Should I make a patch to bridges mod?
20:50 OldCoder Also, paramat has been online today
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21:32 _Esteban Good evening guys!
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23:15 rater193 hello
23:15 rater193 i released a post of one of the mods im making :)
23:16 Emperor_Genshin rater193: Hi
23:16 rater193 hello
23:16 Emperor_Genshin rater193: What mod are you developing :)
23:16 rater193 https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=9&t=13101
23:18 Emperor_Genshin Sweet, a idea for raids
23:18 Emperor_Genshin Good luck on the mod :)
23:19 rater193 thx, just started it today, and already almost got it completed
23:19 rater193 when its done, you will be able to use the API, to register your own towers
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