Time Nick Message 00:25 GunshipPenguin the new map_generation_limit setting does not seem to be having any effect for me when using the latest stable minetest and minetest_game, is anybody else experiencing the same problem? 01:09 sloantothebone GunshipPenguin, how do i set map_generation_limit? 03:51 RealBadAngel https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=13094 03:51 RealBadAngel ^^mese crystals mod if somebody wants to try it 04:59 FreeFull RealBadAngel: Oh, that's pretty cool! 05:04 swift110-phone Hey 05:04 RealBadAngel FreeFull, thx 05:50 swift110-phone Hey 06:01 swift110-phone Ok 06:57 CWz did Zeno` release his ogre3d version of minetest yet? 06:58 CWz I want to test 07:31 rater193_ hello! 07:41 Krock hi 08:00 rater193_ anyone here mod minetest? 08:00 rater193_ or no 08:00 rater193_ just wondering 08:04 xenkey rater193_: sorry modders are very skilled were not skilled enough to do mods in lua 08:05 rater193_ ah 08:05 rater193_ ive got nearly 10 years of exp in modding with lua 08:06 rater193_ i was just wondering how poerful it is 08:06 rater193_ *powerfful 08:07 rater193_ xenkey: are there verry many unique servers? because with what ive been able to do, ive been able to completly re-write the api to do practically anything 08:07 rater193_ if there are not many unique servers, ill have no competition :) 08:08 xenkey there are no servers 08:08 xenkey all the servers i the list are fake 08:08 rater193_ so essentially all servers are the same? 08:08 rater193_ perfect, now i can change the face of yet another game xD 08:09 rater193_ im going to code the entire game with a unique RPG element, and use it as my entry code to join the developers 08:10 rater193_ btw, i already got rid of the default inventory, and now am using a custom inventory 08:10 rater193_ to work with a rpg themed inventory 08:13 RealBadAngel rater193_, then visit forum and see the others work 08:14 RealBadAngel https://forum.minetest.net/viewforum.php?f=46 08:14 xenkey rater193_: you know everything i told you is false 08:14 xenkey why did you believe me 08:14 rater193_ im browsing the forums now 08:15 xenkey also i said "fake", not "one server" 08:15 rater193_ and lol 08:15 rater193_ i only just started modding it, ive tried minetest a while back, but left 08:15 rater193_ and i know its not 1 server, i was just wondering how many "game changing" servers there are 08:16 RealBadAngel there are many subgames for mt 08:16 xenkey uh 08:16 xenkey check the server list 08:16 xenkey top 10 08:18 rater193_ wow, there are some pretty cool servers, but ive yet to find a "rpg" server 08:19 rater193_ is it possible to change the camera view with the system? 08:50 rubenwardy CWz http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/2015-08-23#i_4375060 no, it still needs work 08:52 rubenwardy rater193_, the mod support is a bit patchy, but it's being improved. Client side support will be added soon(TM) which will allow client side prediction and client side effects. Such as modifying input and camera views. 08:52 rubenwardy http://rubenwardy.com/minetest_modding_book/ 08:52 rubenwardy the best guide, ofc 08:53 rubenwardy MT mods are plugins, where as MC mods are patches. You can still do patches in MT, but we don't consider them "mods" really. 08:55 rubenwardy oh, he's left 08:56 Krock you stole my words. yes he's gone 08:56 rubenwardy I doubt he'll be back, but: 08:56 rubenwardy !tell rater193_ http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/2015-08-23#i_4375123 08:56 MinetestBot rubenwardy: I'll pass that on when rater193_ is around 08:57 Krock Yeah, sure. Whatever. 09:09 DusXMT rubenwardy: Well, with Forge, MC mods are more like plugins as well (with forge being a big "patch") 09:17 Krock modded patchs.. 09:56 israuor Helloooo 10:04 TheWild yeeees? 10:05 TheWild hello israuor 10:05 israuor Just wanted to say hello 10:05 israuor 😜 10:08 israuor Yalla, back to work 12:07 CWz hello everybody 12:07 ElectronLibre Hello CWz. 12:19 * CWz was a drama target today 12:20 CWz glad it's over 12:20 CWz I hate misunderstandings 12:20 CWz needless drama 12:21 DusXMT Care to share in a nutshell? just curious~ 12:24 CWz [off] I run a creative server. and i thought someone was building one of those 1x1 towers. that someone got mad he asked for the diamondblock back. i informed him that he can get more diamonds blocks from the creative inventory(item dropping is disabled on my servers) but the stituation was resolved 12:24 CWz *situation 14:14 TheWild Today I found an old CD from 2002 taken from some magazine, with .NET Framework 1.1 on it. The same year when I got my first PC. 14:14 TheWild dang, if I could program in C# when I was a kid... 14:19 xfceKris Where can I find the changelog for the 0.4.13 update? 14:19 xfceKris !changelog 14:19 xfceKris dang 14:20 xfceKris MinetestBot 14:21 TheWild I think it is in some textfile in the game 14:22 TheWild well, I can't find it too 14:23 RealBadAngel http://dev.minetest.net/Changelog#0.4.12_.E2.86.92_0.4.13 14:25 TheWild yay! I was credited 14:29 xfceKris Thank you RealBadAngel. 14:30 xfceKris I think the changelog should be linked in topic here as well...I don't know about anyone else, but I'm an avid changelog reader. 14:31 RealBadAngel if you would ask google for "minetest changelog" that link will be the first one to show ;) 14:31 xfceKris I did, it wasn't... 14:31 xfceKris dunno, maybe I misspelled something. 14:31 xfceKris fat fingers ya know. 14:32 RealBadAngel hehe 14:35 CWz I am surprised mojang/microsoft didn't have a shitfit over all the minecraft knockoff on android 14:37 CWz [off] i see the freeminer devs made there own minetest which btw the freeminer minetest protocol was beyond flawed lasttime ia checked 14:51 swift110-phone Ok 14:51 hoodedice Ok. 14:53 swift110-phone How r u hoodedice 14:53 hoodedice fine, I guess 14:54 rater193 hello 14:54 hoodedice elo 14:54 rater193 anyone here know if we are allowed to use adfly links when posting mods? 14:54 rater193 if so, ill come to modding this fulltime 14:54 hoodedice You will receive flak from the userbase. 14:54 hoodedice better to post a donation link, if your mod is good enough, there might be people who will donate 14:54 rater193 ill give the option of ither direct or adfly 14:55 rater193 so it would advoid flak 14:55 hoodedice on top of that, if you have a BTC wallet to donate to, you increase your chances of being donated to 14:55 hoodedice I guess that will work - direct + adfly 14:56 rater193 yup, ill post on there if people like the game, they can click the adfly link to help donate a bit 14:57 rater193 well, mod 14:57 rater193 also, this supports virtual currency? i didnt know that 14:58 rater193 i only just recently came back, however ive been using lua for almost 10 years 14:58 hoodedice no no, the game doesn't 14:58 freelikegnu you could say you must be fluant 14:58 rater193 but u said btc 14:58 rater193 bitcoins? 14:58 hoodedice you can post a wallet string on your forum post 14:58 rater193 right? 14:58 rater193 aaa i c 14:58 hoodedice not in your mod, that won't work. 14:59 rater193 btw, i know how annoying adfly links can be, i hate when people use adfly, but dont give a direct link 15:00 hoodedice I understand the need for adfly 15:00 rater193 i do to, but they should at least have the decency to post a direct download too 15:00 hoodedice However, the current ad market is shit at best. Remember that most people in this community are highly tech savvy 15:01 hoodedice therefore, many disable JS, use adblock and other privacy filters 15:01 rater193 and all the better, every community ive been a part of are tech illiterate 15:01 hoodedice and hate the notion of tracking. This is the biggest reason why we hate ads 15:02 rater193 and its understandable 15:02 rater193 thats why i said i would also post a direct link, and they can click adfly if they want 15:03 hoodedice Why bother? 15:04 hoodedice see, if your mod is good enough, you will get 1000 downloads. Assuming that adfly does $0.05 per 1000, you are getting only $0.05 15:04 hoodedice if you post in a paypal or your wallet address, someone will drop in $5 or $10 15:06 rater193 again, like i said, they will have the option to use adfly, if they dont have any money 15:06 rater193 as a way to donate, without having to donate 15:06 xfceKris I wonder what adfly's actually does give. 15:06 hoodedice *shrug* I think you should maybe finish the mod first 15:06 rater193 5$ per 1k 15:06 hoodedice making a mod can be quite a challenge as well 15:07 rater193 nope\ 15:07 rater193 ive already made one 15:07 rater193 and its a game :) 15:07 rater193 i made a RPG system 15:07 rater193 has RPG stats, such as foraging, mining, attacking, and herding 15:08 rater193 also, you require certain mining levels to dig to certain depths 15:08 xfceKris I got to figure out how to turn this minetest hobby of mine into a bit of income. 15:08 rater193 thats what im going to try to do 15:08 rater193 im thinking about making a bunch of asthetic mods 15:08 rater193 such as more decoritive blocks 15:08 rater193 as well as an addon mod, for tech mods 15:08 rater193 for example 15:08 rater193 "MorePipes" 15:09 hoodedice well, you should publish it 15:09 hoodedice And look into project wonderful, they do ads without tracking 15:09 rater193 im not going to publish anything untill i have at least 5 mods to contribute 15:09 hoodedice well, good luck 15:09 rater193 thx 15:11 rater193 btw one of the things i will be doing to make donators have perks is they can get a special item ingame, modeled after what they want, for a donating 5$ or more 15:12 rater193 actually 15:12 rater193 nvm 15:12 hoodedice *shrug* 15:13 pakis03 hi 15:13 rater193 hello 15:15 rater193 what if i were to make a money mod, that added a virtual currency, without using items 15:15 rater193 and make it into an API, so other mods can easily tap into it\ 15:15 xenkey hey look its rater193 the gullible guy 15:15 rater193 ... 15:15 rater193 xD 15:16 Krock there are already other money mods 15:17 rater193 the only one ive seen was the one that added items 15:17 Krock based on selling nodes and chat comands 15:17 Krock !mod money2 15:17 MinetestBot Krock: Could not find anything. 15:17 Krock !mod money] 15:17 MinetestBot Krock: Money (or Economy) [money] by kotolegokot - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=2263 15:17 VanessaE !mod currency 15:17 MinetestBot VanessaE: Currency and economy [currency] by Dan Duncombe - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=7002 15:17 hoodedice Krock, he means real money >_> 15:17 VanessaE there it not currently any way to hook into cryptocurrencies, rater193. 15:17 Krock hoodedice, oh really? Haven't seen that part :( 15:18 rater193 hmmm.... 15:18 VanessaE there are no API functions to even connect to a website, at this point 15:18 hoodedice you 15:18 rater193 im sure i can find a way to use a backend server to do it 15:18 rater193 for example 15:18 hoodedice you'll need to essentially make your own minetest build 15:18 rater193 have a folder of files as a buffer 15:18 hoodedice because I'm sure core won't accept it. 15:18 rater193 of commands that need to be executed 15:18 rater193 have a backend server look at those files and do actions acordingly 15:19 rater193 accordingly* 15:19 hoodedice rater, no way to connect to any online services, except maybe IRC 15:19 rater193 again\ 15:19 rater193 its a custom backend server 15:19 rater193 winch i coded 15:19 hoodedice yes yes 15:19 rater193 lets say, using java, or c++ 15:19 hoodedice but how will minetest connect to this custom backend server? 15:20 rater193 hmmm.... 15:20 rater193 i would have to sit down and think about that one... 15:20 hoodedice indeed 15:20 rater193 lets say, i found an api 15:20 rater193 all it would require is the user to register on a website 15:21 rater193 so i would pop up a registration form for the users to fill 15:21 rater193 ugh, brb 15:21 hoodedice then you will realise that as VanessaE said, the lack of an API pulgin into core means that you will have to hardcode it, which essentially means making your own minetest build. 15:22 VanessaE the only possible way for minetest to communicate with an external process is by way of reading and writing files in the world directory, or via the IRC mod. 15:22 hoodedice how does IRC do it? 15:22 VanessaE (os.execute and related, will not be usable soon - mod security) 15:22 hoodedice does core have a special implementation for just that? 15:22 VanessaE IRC uses the luasocket library 15:23 hoodedice !g luasocket 15:23 MinetestBot hoodedice: http://w3.impa.br/~diego/software/luasocket/ 15:23 VanessaE that's the one. 15:24 rater193 im back 15:24 hoodedice it does HTTP requests 15:24 hoodedice what's stopping it from connecting to web services >_> 15:24 rater193 again, my system wouldnt require a mod 15:24 rater193 since the lua is ran via the server 15:24 rater193 all i have to do is make it read-write using io.read and io.write 15:24 rater193 assuming it still has the io capabilities 15:24 rater193 winch is basic lua 15:25 rater193 lets say im hosting a server right? 15:26 rater193 and a player is currently wanting to check, lets say, the available balance for their currency 15:26 rater193 i could set up an api to load up their currency, using php 15:26 rater193 so i would have a php job check a folder, every 30 seconds for requests 15:26 hoodedice 2complex4minetest 15:27 rater193 and no, it wouldnt be 15:27 hoodedice > every 30 seconds 15:27 hoodedice too overkill m8 15:27 rater193 its rather simple 15:27 rater193 at least to me 15:27 rater193 well ,its designed for a non popular server 15:27 rater193 so if the server were to get popular 15:27 rater193 .....yeah 15:27 rater193 it would be designed to work with 500 players at a time 15:28 rater193 assuming you have a decent read/write speed for the harddrive 15:28 hoodedice I mean, do what you like, this is an open environment anyway 15:28 rater193 wait, minetest is open source? 15:28 rater193 i mean the engine itself 15:28 SylvieLorxu Both 15:29 SylvieLorxu Minetest is and its engine Irrlicht is too 15:29 rater193 well, that made things easier XD 15:29 hoodedice everything is. 15:29 hoodedice even hoodedice is open source 15:29 hoodedice ...talk about clueless here >_> 15:29 rater193 in that case i would just code a wrapper 15:29 rater193 i would talk in the dev ts, but nobody ever talks there 15:30 hoodedice they do, just intermittently 15:30 rater193 *chat 15:30 rater193 not ts 15:30 SylvieLorxu hoodedice: Well, if you are available for anyone for any use, go do my laundry 15:31 xfceKris Whatever you do rater193, just keep it within the license that minetest is released under. 15:31 rater193 lol 15:31 xfceKris Links for reference http://wiki.minetest.net/Licensing https://www.gnu.org/licenses/lgpl-2.1.html 15:31 rater193 alright, thanks 15:32 xfceKris Sorry guys, I've been stalking this whole convo. 15:33 hoodedice it is alright, the whole thing's logged anyway XD 15:33 rater193 lol 15:33 rater193 anyways, any items you guys would like to see in minetest? 15:33 hoodedice Sylvie, you get the sand for free but you need to pay to move the sand :3 15:34 hoodedice a web browser. 15:34 hoodedice that plays youtube videos and has inbuilt ad block 15:34 hoodedice because minecraft has it. 15:34 rater193 lol 15:34 rater193 what about the chisel mod? :P 15:34 rater193 would u guys like that mod? 15:35 rater193 wait, are there any chat mods for minetest? to make a sexier looking chat 15:35 hoodedice there are 15:35 rater193 meh ill just search it, idk why i asked 15:35 rater193 ah ok 15:35 hoodedice or there are some in WIP 15:36 ElectronLibre There's chatplus but it's rather old, and chatlog to log chat in a separate file from server log. 15:36 ElectronLibre None of them changes the look of the chat though. 15:36 ElectronLibre There is also one I've seen that split the general chat into channels but I don't recall its name. 15:36 hoodedice someone did something with some colored chat 15:37 rater193 hmmm....what about group permissios, like what minecraft bukkit has 15:37 ElectronLibre It was an engine feature, but as every chat color API pull request it got abandonned. 15:37 rater193 *permissions 15:37 rater193 and wow that sux 15:39 hoodedice why? 15:39 hoodedice Because it used 1 more byte for displaying color? 15:39 hoodedice >_> 15:39 ElectronLibre I think that was the reason. 15:39 ElectronLibre Some weird looking way to input color, 15:40 ElectronLibre And the fact that it was breaking retrocompatibility. 15:41 rater193 hmmm... 15:59 xfceKris Why is it that I have a perfect connection to everything else I try to visit, but can't log in to a server? wtf... 15:59 xfceKris only since i updated to 4.13 16:00 ElectronLibre What do you mean you can't log in to a server? What does happen when you try? 16:01 xfceKris Connection times out 16:01 ElectronLibre Oh. That's a very vague error. 16:01 xfceKris Yeah, I know. That's why it's so frustrating. 16:02 xfceKris If it were more specific, then maybe I could do something about it. 16:02 ElectronLibre Check the logs of your client. 16:02 ElectronLibre If it says something else than "Connection timed out" that may help. 16:04 xfceKris I can play locally of course, but I tried Xanadu, Dan's Carbone Server, as well as, VanessaE's Basic Plus. Just tells me "Connection timed out" every time. 16:06 xfceKris Could be my internet connection, but I'm not throttled and running at around 10mbps. 16:07 hoodedice ...0.4.13 is out already >_> 16:07 xfceKris Also, the debug.txt shows the same error that is displayed when I get denied access to the server 16:07 xfceKris hoodedice: Where have you been? 0.4.13 has been out for three days now. 16:08 hoodedice installing xubuntu 16:08 hoodedice that's where I've been 16:12 xfceKris lol, speaking of which, I need to clean up and reinstall from scratch my xubuntu installation. I've just been updating and upgrading since 9.10..I'm on 14.04 now.lol 16:15 hoodedice wow 16:15 hoodedice also, bbl 18:32 rater193 *crickets* 18:33 Krock mooh 18:45 Pakis03 Hi 18:46 Krock Hello 18:46 Pakis03 What's up? 18:48 Krock minetest.net is. 18:55 israuor +1 19:06 xenkey ... 19:36 TheWild damn! Horrible performance of this game makes it unenjoyable. I just edited the settings to have everything on 20 FPS and min/max range to 75 and it still randomly drops series of frames. 19:37 TheWild do I really have to buy new computer? 19:40 Calinou TheWild, what's your specs? 19:41 TheWild CPU: Pentium(R) Dual-Core CPU T4300 @ 2.10GHz 19:41 TheWild RAM: 3 GB (2 GB mostly available) 19:41 TheWild gfx: ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4330 19:42 TheWild my settings from yesterday: http://pastebin.com/gf6e7b7Y 19:44 Calinou this is 1) a mobile GPU 2) a crap one 19:44 TheWild It's like Minetest likes to hang for 0.2 s from time to time 19:44 Calinou why is parallax occlusion enabled? 19:45 TheWild I have shaders disabled, does parallax occlusion matter then? 19:45 Calinou probably not 19:48 TheWild "a crap one" - while it can run some other, still gfx-heavy games without such problem. Although it's not 60 FPS, yet smooth 19:48 Calinou it's really slow actually 19:49 Calinou but yes, Minetest got a lot clunkier with 0.4.13 19:50 Calinou there's nothing to do but to revert to older versions, pretty much 19:50 Calinou there are huge memory leaks to fix, the GPU is very poorly utilized... 19:50 Calinou I don't think we'll ever get back to the early 0.4 days where everything was butter smooth 19:50 TheWild ah, still suffering memory leaks 19:52 Calinou better have 8 GB of RAM for playing on some servers 19:56 TheWild which statement is revelant to Minetest? 1. We don't know where leaks are happening, or 2. We know where leaks are, but they're hard to fix. 19:56 Calinou I think it's 2. 20:04 TheWild oh crap, devil at https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/src/client.cpp#L224 20:36 Sokomine hmmmm 20:36 Sokomine (er, sorry, didn't want to highlight. just thinking) 20:38 kahrl the downside of having a contemplative nick ;) 20:38 Sokomine theblazehen_: do you have save to localmap enabled? that can cause micro-hangs sometimes. wasn't noticeable with an ssd, but significant with a 2.5" drive for me 20:38 Sokomine only situation where i really noticed the difference between ssd and hd... 20:40 Sokomine kahrl: yes, guess so :-) 20:40 Sokomine right now, i'm more in need of paramat and/or shadowninja. i'd love to talk about tree generation as that's an issue for my villages and also often an issue for modders in general as well 20:41 Sokomine and i'm wondering if the texture for the sand mob can be applied to the player model 20:43 Emperor_Genshin Sandmen :D 20:44 Sokomine oh, hm. doesn't quite work. could be sold as a zombie to some degree i guess...definitely not what i want 20:50 OldCoder Sokomine, see Skyblock thread. Should I make a patch to bridges mod? 20:50 OldCoder Also, paramat has been online today 21:32 _Esteban Good evening guys! 23:15 rater193 hello 23:15 rater193 i released a post of one of the mods im making :) 23:16 Emperor_Genshin rater193: Hi 23:16 rater193 hello 23:16 Emperor_Genshin rater193: What mod are you developing :) 23:16 rater193 https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=13101 23:18 Emperor_Genshin Sweet, a idea for raids 23:18 Emperor_Genshin Good luck on the mod :) 23:19 rater193 thx, just started it today, and already almost got it completed 23:19 rater193 when its done, you will be able to use the API, to register your own towers