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Time Nick Message
00:00 Niebieski He seemed a respected king.
00:00 RealBadAngel even Napoleon alcohol is more expensive lol
00:00 zat Niebieski: still fearing that you can be harmed by posting your real name?
00:00 zat :P
00:01 Niebieski Come on now you're publishing my paranoia ? xD
00:02 Niebieski Hopefully someone more knowledged about this will explain why it's a bad thing.
00:03 Niebieski FreeFull: Jadwiga was a queen ? not a king ?
00:05 Niebieski RealBadAngel: Napoleon is kinda unpleasnt where I live.
00:05 Niebieski Since appearently you're interested on history, you would be able to guess my nationality.
00:08 FreeFull Niebieski: She was a King
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00:08 Niebieski I thought that kind is called on male rulers only.
00:08 Niebieski king*
00:09 RealBadAngel "niebieski" is strict and polish word only
00:09 RealBadAngel so dont wonder then
00:10 Niebieski What do you mean ?
00:10 FreeFull "Queens regnant being relatively uncommon in Europe at the time, Jadwiga was officially crowned a "king" (rex) rather than "queen" (regina)"
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00:11 RealBadAngel niebieski also means that youre male
00:12 RealBadAngel if you were female, your nick should be "Niebieska" :P
00:12 RealBadAngel polish language is far more flexible than english
00:14 RealBadAngel those sad, blue?, guys have to guess meaning of the words... poor englishmans :P
00:14 RealBadAngel but thx to that i can really understand monthy python jokes
00:15 Niebieski I recieve Polish messages because of my name.
00:15 RealBadAngel no wonder
00:16 Niebieski I feel sad that I can't talk Polish because they seem happy they found someone like them.
00:16 RealBadAngel time to learn polish then
00:16 RealBadAngel its easier than japs for example ;)
00:16 Niebieski Hahaha, why not, and get a job there.
00:16 Niebieski A friend of mine had an internship there.
00:18 RealBadAngel poland is not the dead end of the world
00:18 sofar it's just very close to it?
00:18 RealBadAngel last yr you get Witcher 3 from here
00:19 RealBadAngel and there are more best selling games in US charts that do come from poland
00:19 Niebieski Dead end of the world ?
00:20 RealBadAngel we were always underestimated
00:20 RealBadAngel who broke Enigma?
00:20 RealBadAngel we did
00:20 Niebieski The guy who ate an apple ?
00:21 Niebieski This is the first time for me to know that it was a polish guy.
00:21 RealBadAngel no
00:22 RealBadAngel last time hollywood movie show it to the world that british broke enigma
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00:22 RealBadAngel you know what Enigma was?
00:23 Niebieski A cipher that was used during the World War ?
00:24 RealBadAngel yeah
00:24 RealBadAngel and even befor
00:24 RealBadAngel polish guys have broken it and gave it to allies
00:25 sofar who were hesitant to use it
00:25 sofar and wisely so
00:25 RealBadAngel so during whole WW2 allies were able to read all the nazis comms
00:25 sofar but didn't, or barely acted on that info
00:25 sofar in order to hide that they could
00:25 RealBadAngel after the ww2 poland were given to soviets
00:26 RealBadAngel and even now hollywood claims that breakin the code was not done by us
00:26 RealBadAngel literally speaking, fuck such alliances :P
00:27 sofar I don't think "giving" is the right word for it
00:27 sofar also, are you over 90 years old?
00:27 sofar everyone in history got fucked over, and everyone in history fucked over others
00:27 sofar don't let it get to you ;^)
00:28 RealBadAngel it was the very right word
00:28 RealBadAngel we were just left alone and given to Stalin
00:28 sofar well, I totally understand your sentiment
00:28 sofar I'm from a country on the OTHER side of Germany (The Netherlands)
00:28 sofar we were "given" to nobody
00:29 RealBadAngel all this started with appeachment politics
00:29 sofar hence, polish workers are the larges immigrant group nowadays there :^)
00:29 RealBadAngel and foolish politicians of western europe
00:29 sofar I don't think the west had any hopes of pushing stalin out of middle europe in '45
00:29 RealBadAngel they thought that givin a piece of meat to the wolf can stop him
00:30 sofar that would have been stupid
00:30 sofar right
00:30 RealBadAngel they gave away half of the europe
00:30 sofar pretty bleak piece of meat too, since germany ravished it
00:30 sofar about those nodeboxes...
00:30 RealBadAngel they could stop that too
00:30 Niebieski Sometimes history is written by the winners.
00:31 RealBadAngel but they choose not to
00:31 Niebieski zat xD
00:31 sofar what do you think of the new grass textures?
00:31 RealBadAngel all the history is made by politicians
00:31 RealBadAngel most of them should be shot down in their craddles
00:32 RealBadAngel sofar, have you already saw the new grass?
00:32 sofar I'm against any form of death penalty
00:32 sofar RealBadAngel: saw the screenshot paramat posted earlier, yes
00:32 RealBadAngel for politicians shooting down in cradle is an act of mercy
00:33 RealBadAngel im not talkin bout paramat's grass
00:33 sofar that line of thought got many people killed for no reason
00:33 sofar so, respectfully, I disagree
00:33 RealBadAngel im talkin bout relief mapping grass :)
00:33 * sofar has a beer
00:34 RealBadAngel https://imgrush.com/b8GQJBoASMPO.png
00:34 RealBadAngel thats the GRASS
00:34 sofar that's the image I saw
00:35 RealBadAngel but thats mine artwork and the code
00:35 RealBadAngel not paramat's
00:35 sofar ah, sorry, my bad!
00:36 * sofar futzed up attribution
00:37 RealBadAngel nvm
00:37 sofar it looks great
00:37 RealBadAngel if you want to judge something tell me what do you think about this
00:37 RealBadAngel https://imgrush.com/iaPcgC05OMOG
00:38 sofar mese crystals?
00:38 RealBadAngel yes
00:38 sofar if I may, I'd make the center crystal less high
00:38 RealBadAngel this one is max grown one
00:38 sofar but, I like the texture (is it bump-mapped?)
00:39 RealBadAngel mese will come in a few stages
00:39 RealBadAngel able to grow (more drops) and to make farms
00:40 sofar it's a bit asymmetric, may make it look weird when there's a few of them growing together in the same orientation
00:40 sofar do they spawn with a random orientation?
00:40 RealBadAngel i can make them so
00:40 RealBadAngel atm we do have meshes for it
00:40 sofar that would work well visually I think
00:41 RealBadAngel and no idea on conditions how to allow players make crystal farms ;)
00:41 sofar how high do they get? within one node?
00:41 RealBadAngel one node always
00:42 RealBadAngel more crystal formation there, more drops
00:42 RealBadAngel im being inspired here with Thaumraft 2 mod for mc and vis crystals
00:42 sofar neat, I like it. Will give caves a bit more appeal
00:43 RealBadAngel http://technicpack.wikia.com/wiki/Vis_Crystal
00:47 sofar where did my beer go?
00:48 Niebieski I honestly think that Minetest should have like a set of rules for texture making.
00:48 Niebieski so everything gets blended together.
00:49 sofar style is hard to put in rules
00:49 sofar other than things like texture dimensions
00:50 RealBadAngel agree
00:50 Niebieski Sometimes you notice that objects from a certain mod are dull.
00:50 sofar a committee could waste hours on a 16x16 cobblestone texture :D
00:50 RealBadAngel i can make default tp shine with proper normalmaps
00:50 RealBadAngel but some1 can do the same with real HD textures
00:52 Niebieski maybe someone like a talented lead artist is needed.
00:52 RealBadAngel http://i.imgur.com/KKVOVKq.png
00:52 RealBadAngel see how it can be done
00:56 Niebieski I don't like this hd texture.
01:00 RealBadAngel just an example
01:00 RealBadAngel feel free to make better ones
01:01 RealBadAngel with all those modern techniques aviable im still the only one to make gfx for it
01:03 Niebieski for Minetest ?
01:03 RealBadAngel while i made the ham lying on the table waiting for guests, most seems to like eat cheap boxed fishes in tomato sauce
01:04 RealBadAngel no for quake 10
01:06 Niebieski Take it easy on me. :D
01:06 RealBadAngel https://imgrush.com/mXL-Y3TCcykB.png
01:06 RealBadAngel show me any other voxel game with such nice 16px gfx
01:07 Niebieski I liked the grass texture.
01:07 RealBadAngel those you dont like?
01:08 Niebieski This shadows I think are not suitable for wood.
01:08 Niebieski It makes me feel like some parts are sticking out.
01:09 Niebieski which is good with grass.
01:09 RealBadAngel thats displacement
01:09 RealBadAngel ive made some materials lookin soft, some sharp
01:10 RealBadAngel and shadows are up to light vector (fixed atm) but in the future function of sun position
01:10 RealBadAngel anyway up to math
01:10 RealBadAngel not the taste
01:11 RealBadAngel you dont argue with your shadow on the wall
01:11 Niebieski I would install your texture anytime Angel. :)
01:11 Niebieski I appreciate your contributions.
01:13 Niebieski The wood texture has some rectangles bright and some dark. I feel like these bright rectangles are sticking out.
01:13 RealBadAngel intended
01:13 RealBadAngel those maps are hand made
01:14 Niebieski It looks like this game like Minecraft what's it's name ?
01:15 Glorfindel ...
01:16 Glorfindel Niebieski: minetest?
01:16 Niebieski Ah cube world!
01:17 Niebieski It's a good game.
01:17 Niebieski I can't imagine that it's made by two persons only.
01:19 RealBadAngel 2?
01:19 Niebieski Yes.
01:19 RealBadAngel propably better than 20
01:19 Niebieski https://picroma.com/about
01:20 Niebieski A husband and a wife.
01:20 Niebieski but maybe they just got some assistance.
01:21 Niebieski but the game requires high specs compared to Minecraft and Minetest.
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01:22 zat Poland not the dead end of the world? sure it is not, you can say that oy Chile or Argentina though.
01:24 RealBadAngel the game looks cute, i like it
01:26 Niebieski have you seen a trailer or something ? it lets you modify your weapons.
01:31 Niebieski I have to go, was nice to talk to you guys.
01:32 Niebieski :)
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01:40 zat wtf that game
01:40 zat I just noticed this one http://www.lexaloffle.com/voxatron.php
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01:41 zat I just noticed this one http://www.lexaloffle.com/voxatron.php
01:41 zat uh sorry for repeat wtf lol
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04:27 Siva Hello
04:39 swift110-phone Hey
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05:17 OldCoder Any reason that mtschemplace might do nothing?
05:18 OldCoder Say successful but nothing appears?
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06:15 MinetestBot [git] kwolekr -> minetest/minetest: SAPI: Disable unlockable time profiling c2d23ff http://git.io/vsfcm (2015-08-18T01:26:11-04:00)
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08:15 wilkgr I just had an interesting idea for the weird subgame
08:16 wilkgr Change the character.b3d file to that of a mob, from one of the mob mods.
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11:34 optimusbrine on linux (ubuntu, installed from the nightly ppa), I see that minetest_game is installed to /usr/share/minetest/games/ is this the only place that minetest will look for games/mods? Or are their a set of search paths?
11:36 Calinou optimusbrine, you can use ~/.minetest/mods and ~/.minetest/games
11:39 optimusbrine ok. And for development, I can just use the server built into the client right?
11:40 optimusbrine It does the same sorts of things a headless server does doesn't it?
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11:44 Calinou more or less optimusbrine.
11:44 Calinou physics of entities may behave slightly differently
11:45 Calinou (eg. try mobs, they'll jump lower on a dedicated server)
11:47 optimusbrine alright, thanks
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16:58 Glorfindel hi MinetestForFun
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20:05 MinetestForFun Hi Glorfindel
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20:13 LucasVinicius hi
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20:15 LucasVinicius somebody know if I can use "mesh" in a register_weapon ?
20:16 rubenwardy What mod?
20:16 rubenwardy Firearms?
20:16 LucasVinicius Firearms ?
20:17 LucasVinicius I want make my own mod
20:17 rubenwardy Where are you getting register_weapon from?
20:17 rubenwardy okay
20:17 rubenwardy using the name "mesh" is fine in a definition table
20:17 LucasVinicius I was looking on mod Shooter
20:18 rubenwardy if you want to add a variable called "mesh" then use local variables
20:18 rubenwardy http://rubenwardy.com/minetest_modding_​book/chapters/lua.html#local-and-global
20:20 LucasVinicius so.. policetools:register_weapon("policetools:esp", {
20:20 LucasVinicius description = "Espingarda",
20:20 LucasVinicius drawtype = "mesh",
20:20 LucasVinicius mesh = "rage.obj",
20:20 LucasVinicius inventory_image = "espingarda.png",
20:20 LucasVinicius rounds = 50,
20:20 LucasVinicius shots = 15,
20:20 LucasVinicius was kicked by ShadowBot: Paste flood detected. Use a pastebin like pastebin.ubuntu.com or gist.github.com.
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20:21 LucasVinicius http://pastebin.com/2PW2Vdhq
20:21 LucasVinicius so it can works ?
20:21 zat were is Niebieski :( </3
20:22 zat where*
20:22 LucasVinicius hi zat
20:22 zat hi LucasVinicius
20:22 zat hows all lol
20:24 LucasVinicius http://i.imgur.com/R3YmIqi.png
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20:24 LucasVinicius it is how it can looks
20:24 zat is that a gauss gun?
20:25 LucasVinicius gauss ?
20:25 rubenwardy as long as you then call minetest.register_node with that def
20:25 Calinou nice
20:25 Calinou maybe you should make a pretty render, and put it on BlendSwap
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20:26 zat LucasVinicius: gauss guns use magnetic coils to accelerate a metallic bullet
20:27 LucasVinicius so I can't use the drawtype "mesh" on weapons
20:28 LucasVinicius only if I make a register node
20:28 LucasVinicius how you said
20:30 LucasVinicius if registernode for this case... the player can't use the gun in your inventory, he will need put in a place to use the gun
20:30 LucasVinicius the intention is make it look like a FPS game
20:31 LucasVinicius understand ?
20:34 rubenwardy nodes can be in the inventory
20:34 rubenwardy ie: wood etc can be in the inventory
20:34 rubenwardy I don't know if craftitems or tools allow meshes
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21:00 xfceKris Anyone know how to set a point to teleport to without using /home?
21:00 STHGOM /teleport 0,0,0
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21:01 xfceKris missing privs on the server.
21:01 xfceKris brb
21:02 STHGOM ask a moderator/admin then :)
21:03 xfceKris ok
21:03 xfceKris VanessaE
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21:07 STHGOM also you can look in /mods for teleport_potion
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21:10 xfceKris did that, nada
21:11 Siva What are you trying to do?
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21:37 MinetestBot [git] paramat -> minetest/minetest_game: Boats: Fix sinking through boat when detaching 99d0442 http://git.io/vsLt2 (2015-08-18T22:35:16+01:00)
21:38 hoodedice wait wait, so what is that behaviour now, if you detach a boat?
21:39 Glorfindel YAY a boat fix!
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21:39 hoodedice also, it is from 2 days ago?
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22:29 wilkgr Hullo. I tried the Minetest Android version, and it doesn't seem to work.
22:29 wilkgr I just get a black screen once the progress bar has reached the end.
22:30 wilkgr I'm running 0.4.12.11 and Android KK
22:32 RealBadAngel open an issue on github with it or talk on #minetest-dev
22:32 wilkgr Ok. Will do
22:33 wilkgr Thanks RealBadAngel :)
22:33 wilkgr Getting to grips with GH now, so I'll do that.
22:34 est31 wilkgr, can you also include a logcat?
22:34 wilkgr I'll try
22:35 wilkgr But first, I need to figure out why I can't see the Minetest folder on the computer, just in ES File Explorer.
22:35 est31 why that
22:36 wilkgr Otherwise I can't get my debug.txt...
22:36 est31 ah, I see
22:36 wilkgr :)
22:36 est31 :)
22:36 wilkgr ;)
22:36 est31 lol
22:37 wilkgr :D
22:37 est31 xD
22:38 wilkgr lol
22:39 wilkgr I've asked on #android but no response yet...
22:41 est31 you'll have to pass your sd card to the computer
22:41 wilkgr Nah, running KK so it is on internal storage, not the SD card.
22:41 RealBadAngel use total commander on the device
22:41 wilkgr Hmmm....
22:42 wilkgr Maybe
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23:04 xfceKris wilkgr, do you have adb installed?
23:05 xfceKris If so, just do "adb pull /storage/emulated/0/Minetest/debug.txt
23:05 xfceKris "
23:07 wilkgr Ah... yes, that would work...
23:07 wilkgr Of course
23:17 xfceKris Of course, make sure debugging is enabled, as well as have the right drivers installed (in windows) or the right udev rules (unix)
23:18 wilkgr It is
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23:45 YuGiOhJCJ hello is there a way to scroll the chat in game?
23:46 wilkgr Yes
23:46 wilkgr Press F10 then use your mouse wheel
23:46 wilkgr Press F10 again to hide it
23:51 est31 pgup/pgdown works too
23:51 est31 (in the f10 console)
23:52 wilkgr Ok, opened issue on GH now
23:52 YuGiOhJCJ oh yeah ty the console, it's perfect
23:54 est31 wilkgr, can you include the logcat?
23:54 wilkgr What is the minimum specs
23:54 wilkgr for android?
23:54 est31 this cant be solved without logcat it seems
23:54 est31 yes
23:54 wilkgr est31 What's the difference between log and logcat?
23:54 wilkgr ADB isn't working
23:55 est31 wilkgr, have you enabled dev mode?
23:55 wilkgr Yes
23:55 wilkgr running adb devices leaves an empty message
23:55 est31 also check out https://play.google.com/store/apps​/details?id=com.nolanlawson.logcat
23:56 wilkgr ok
23:56 est31 you'll need root though
23:56 wilkgr *groan* I have tried to root my phone many, many time
23:56 wilkgr s
23:57 wilkgr SOmeone recommended futex.c which I haven't done yet
23:58 est31 ok perhaps adb then
23:58 est31 have you tried http://www.androidcentral.com/how-e​nable-developer-settings-android-42
23:59 wilkgr I know how to enable them, they are enabled, including USB debugging & I'm running 4.4.0 and not JB
23:59 est31 wilkgr, the mechanism is the same
23:59 est31 so does logcat work over adb

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