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01:11 hmmmm Hey guys, what's the common consensus on the "error in error handling" bug?
01:11 hmmmm how common is it really?
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01:11 hmmmm is anybody here able to readily reproduce this?
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02:37 cornernote hmmmm, someone replied to the issue with some lua code they claimed could reproduce it
02:37 cornernote did that do what it stated ?
02:37 hmmmm oh yeah, but that's not quite the same
02:38 cornernote i have been running a skyblock server for a quite a while and i have never had the isssue
02:38 cornernote but other Skyblock servers have had it happen
02:38 hmmmm do you have travelnet on your skyblock server?
02:39 swift110-phone So how do u get started with minetest
02:39 cornernote no
02:39 hmmmm well, that busts my theory of what it could be.
02:40 cornernote what was your theory ?
02:42 chainsaw10 swift110-phone: you install it. Not sure what you're asking
02:43 cornernote swift110-phone, then run minetest from the /bin folder
02:46 swift110-phone I mean i have it installwd
02:47 swift110-phone Its installed already
02:48 chainsaw10 i just started a new world and played around the first time I tried it. Just don't judge minetest by the defaults, a lot of cool stuff is in mods.
02:49 swift110-phone Im walking around
02:49 swift110-phone Jumping
02:50 chainsaw10 have you seen someone play a game like minetest before or are you completely new?
02:50 swift110-phone Completely new
02:51 swift110-phone I went to the top of a mountain
02:52 chainsaw10 well, I like to describe it as the ultimate Lego game. You can build stuff, but you don't have to pay an arm and a leg for blocks, and you can walk around in what you built.
02:52 swift110-phone Thats cool
02:52 chainsaw10 do you happen to know if you turned creative mode on or not?
02:52 swift110-phone I understand how to move around
02:52 swift110-phone I think so
02:53 chainsaw10 the basic concept of the game is that you can dig(mine) blocks and place them other places. You can also craft some items to make others.
02:53 chainsaw10 to understand what i mean, press i to look at your inventory
02:53 swift110-phone Cool
02:54 chainsaw10 so, if you have creative mode, on the left are different types of blocks you can place. In survival mode (opposite of creative) you have to find and dig up blocks, or else create them from others (crafting) in order to use them.
02:56 swift110-phone Iol its night time
02:57 chainsaw10 yeah, each day is like 10 or 20 real minutes, I can't remember which.
02:57 swift110-phone Interesting
02:58 swift110-phone So i start the game and build my own world
02:58 chainsaw10 don't mean to tell you to read the manual, but i gotta go soon. if you take a look at this page (linked at the end), you might understand more of the point of the game: http://wiki.minetest.net/Ho​w_to_build_your_first_house
02:58 swift110-phone Ok thanks so much
02:59 chainsaw10 but yes, you just build stuff. some mods add monsters to fight. personally, i like to play in survival mode so I have to find materials, but w/o monsters because I want to build, not play defense
03:01 chainsaw10 if you need inspiration, take a look at a couple of the online servers. The info to get to them is on the forums. VanessaE's servers seem to be run well. The stuff on them is amazingly built. My little house is nothing lol.
03:02 swift110-phone Cool
03:02 chainsaw10 anyway, best of luck. I gotta go sleep or I'll hate myself in the morning lol.
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09:04 rubenwardy https://github.com/rubenwardy/mtpm/commit​/16e5214b34f158aeeb5d0e611004daa1fa6c19af
09:04 rubenwardy XD
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09:07 JamesTait Good morning all; happy Ingersoll Day! 😃
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09:17 cornernote can i get this moved to the Mods section - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=2799
09:17 cornernote rubenwardy has pointed out that its not actually a game
09:17 cornernote i will be making a skyblock_game, but this is a mod, not a game
09:18 rubenwardy I'm adding subgame support to MTPM, and that was the first game I tried XD
09:18 cornernote its a mod that pretends to be a game :)
09:19 cornernote your CSV has a lot of dead repos in it
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09:20 rubenwardy yeah, I need to fix that sometime
09:20 rubenwardy those topics should be moved to old mods as well
09:20 cornernote what language code are you using to fetch them ?
09:20 rubenwardy python
09:21 cornernote cant give any language specific code, but you can just run curl (or similar) on the link and see if you get a 404
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09:23 rubenwardy yeah
09:28 cornernote also, most of my mods came from your list, but in the future (i hope) people will submit directly to minetest-bower .. you can pull a list of all the mods i have from here - https://minetest-bower.herokuapp.com/packages
09:28 cornernote or do a search like this https://minetest-bower.hero​kuapp.com/packages/search/<keyword>
09:34 rubenwardy I know
09:34 rubenwardy I already do that
09:34 rubenwardy I pull from  https://minetest-bower.herokuapp.com/packages as I want to implement caching
09:36 cornernote i now have a script to pull your list in also
09:36 cornernote you will have more, because you support more formats, but its great that we can work together with these tools
09:37 rubenwardy yeah
09:37 cornernote when i started i was looking for a pure-lua solution, and i didnt come across your work
09:37 cornernote bower seemed the next best thing
09:37 rubenwardy by sharing a list, (https://minetest-bower.herokuapp.com/) people can choose between bower and mtpm
09:38 cornernote exactly, and even if nobody uses bower, minetest-bower can act as a simple way to submit and browse mods
09:38 cornernote out of game that is
09:38 rubenwardy yeah
09:39 cornernote what mod types do you support ?
09:39 cornernote as in, mod, modpack, game, etc
09:40 rubenwardy mods, modpacks currently. Just finished adding subgames (yet to push)
09:41 rubenwardy http://repo.or.cz/ is a PITA, there doesn't appear to be a /archive/master.zip url
09:42 cornernote ahh, thats what im woking on soon, adding download links
09:43 sfan5 VanessaE: are you sure the entire inv. is cleared on stormchasers server?
09:43 cornernote http://repo.or.cz/w/minetest_hbh​unger.git/snapshot/master.tar.gz ?
09:43 rubenwardy thanks
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09:48 rubenwardy oh, it needs to be zip (Minetest only supports zips in mainmenu)
09:48 rubenwardy :(
09:48 rubenwardy http://repo.or.cz/w/minetest_tuto​rial_subgame/snapshot/master.zip 404's
09:49 sfan5 umm
09:49 sfan5 cornernote: why do protection blocks not protect chests?
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09:57 cornernote i guess the .git is optional
09:58 cornernote protection isnt my mod
09:59 cornernote you can make protector chests tho
09:59 sfan5 ._.
09:59 cornernote and doors too
09:59 sfan5 maybe you should tell the player
10:00 cornernote meh, players are jerks, they will learn
10:00 cornernote lol
10:00 sfan5 getting all my stuff stolen will not make me want to play skyblock again
10:00 cornernote how will i tell them ?
10:00 sfan5 when they get the protector block reward
10:00 sfan5 put some text somewhere
10:01 cornernote i use news mod on my server, and i plan to include it in the mod
10:01 cornernote i can put it on the news
10:01 cornernote (news pops up as formspec when you join)
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10:01 cornernote can you make an issue ?
10:01 sfan5 yes
10:01 cornernote thanks
10:08 rubenwardy https://github.com/rubenwardy/mtpm/commit​/effe4a54cf53485db2cad5f4e64a2328fb0e7571 XD
10:08 rubenwardy !title
10:08 MinetestBot rubenwardy: Add subgame support · rubenwardy/mtpm@effe4a5 · GitHub
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10:17 rubenwardy mtpm is ready for release
10:17 rubenwardy yay
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10:33 rubenwardy !title https://forum.minetest.net/vi​ewtopic.php?f=14&amp;t=13020
10:33 MinetestBot rubenwardy: Minetest Package Manager - Minetest Forums
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10:45 rubenwardy cornernote, running URL 404 checks now
10:45 rubenwardy http://stackoverflow.com/questions/64712​75/python-script-to-see-if-a-web-page-ex​ists-without-downloading-the-whole-page
10:51 rubenwardy cornernote, https://gist.github.com/rube​nwardy/ada9e11dffe7c431be2d
10:51 rubenwardy :(
10:52 rubenwardy those are all the mods that are missed from my mods.csv list
10:52 rubenwardy now that I've added url checking
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12:46 stormchaser3000 XD
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13:25 EvergreenTree Hello everyone!  It's been a while.
13:26 Calinou hi EvergreenTree
13:28 EvergreenTree I haven't really been following minetest's development much, so there have been quite a few changes since I last looked.
13:28 EvergreenTree For instance, now there is  a minimap.  (which is awesome, thanks RealBadAngel)
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14:34 luizrpgluiz hi
14:37 Niebieski Hey luizrpgluiz.
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14:55 Niebieski Anyone knows how to git checkout an old version without cloning the whole git ?
14:55 est31 Niebieski, git checkout commit-id?
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15:16 Niebieski est31, thanks.
15:16 Niebieski Lets ping celeron55
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16:58 MinetestBot [git] c.wischenbart@bitoxide.com -> minetest/minetest_game: Fixed invalid check. This fixes minetest/minetest_game#609 35de524 http://git.io/v38Wz (2015-08-11T18:56:15+02:00)
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17:17 kaeza Greetings
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17:39 exio4 hai kaeza
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17:47 Krock \o/ kaeza
17:49 freelikegnu greetings folks
17:49 * kaeza hugs exio4
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18:15 VanessaE yes?
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18:16 Breballlove i was on mt-basics and bought from mindedudes shop ihe got mad i bought alot and i told him its a shop and i can buy it cause i gave u what u wanted so i got banned and i didnt do antything wrong can u unban me my name thereis  TalkIingIsHard
18:16 Breballlove TalkIngIsHard *
18:17 Breballlove ^^^^^ VanessaE
18:17 Sketch2 yeah, you shouldn't get banned for buying out a shop
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18:17 Sketch2 were ya cussing him out?
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18:17 Breballlove he said no :(
18:18 Breballlove I just need VanessaE
18:18 VanessaE ...
18:18 Breballlove VanessaE can u help me ? plz
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18:19 VanessaE not right now I can't
18:19 Breballlove :'( ok
18:19 Sketch2 did it just happen a moment ago?
18:19 Breballlove no I have tryed to get the admins on that server but i cant get them
18:20 Breballlove maybe 10 mins ago it happend
18:20 ElectronLibre Just tell me Breballlove, why are you on this channel instead of InchraNet's minetest channel? (I probably have an idea but still tell me)
18:20 Breballlove I didnt think i did anything wrong I dont even know who banned me
18:21 Breballlove Its nothing you need to know I dont like to tell people
18:22 Breballlove VanessaE can you find out who banned me ?
18:22 ElectronLibre I can't count the people on servers but still, you're mathematically telling more people here about what happened to you than you would knowing the average amount of persons on #minetest @ Inchranet.
18:22 ElectronLibre What was the name of the server? (that's a mandatory information I assume)
18:23 Breballlove Mtz-Basics
18:23 VanessaE Breballlove: I already know who did it.
18:23 Breballlove who ? :(
18:24 Breballlove I don't get it I didn't do anything wrong.
18:24 VanessaE you apparently did
18:24 Breballlove what ?
18:24 ElectronLibre From what you are saying, no. But either you could have missed a critical information or someone did something wrong.
18:24 Breballlove VanessaE what did i do?
18:24 ElectronLibre Well you missed a rule then.
18:24 VanessaE Breballlove: you were expressly told to stop buying-out the entire contents of those shops.  you did so anyway.
18:25 VanessaE thus leaving nothing for noobs to buy
18:25 VanessaE to my mind, that's tantamount to griefing, and in any case that is what got you banned
18:25 Breballlove Yes but he had the shop and he shouldnt beable to say u cant buy that when its a shop
18:25 VanessaE yes, he should be able to say that
18:26 VanessaE real stores do it all the time
18:26 Breballlove no the ban said stop causeing drama :(
18:26 VanessaE "Limit 1 per customer"
18:26 VanessaE yeah well you are good at doing that, too
18:26 Breballlove I am sorry plz un ban me ill give it back
18:26 Breballlove I will apolagize too :(
18:26 ElectronLibre ^ That never worked before as far as I recall.
18:27 VanessaE I'm not interested in your apologies (nor, I expect, is the shop owner).  I am interested in action (or in this case, lack of it).
18:27 Breballlove I really wasnt trying to do anything wrong :(
18:27 VanessaE and you are NOT well-known for keeping promises.
18:28 Breballlove I just thought he shouldnt say that why ur buying it he should have a sign
18:29 Breballlove plz vanessaE :(
18:30 ElectronLibre Breballlove: I think it's a "no". Too bad.
18:32 Breballlove Listen VanessaE do u think its fair that I was yelled at i may not be the only on byeing all of that other people buy there to I only bought some of everything
18:34 VanessaE Breballlove: the admin unbanned you, and YES it's fair - you were warned to stop and you did it anyway
18:35 Breballlove I know I am going to owe it to him ut he can have me get more then what i took
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18:58 WSDguy2014 Calinou, i have idea, add bowl and mushroom stew, to craft mushroom stew needs "Brown mushroom + Red mushroom + Bowl = Mushroom stew" healing 4 hearts.
18:58 WSDguy2014 like Minecraft
18:58 Calinou i have idea, copy minceraft
18:59 Calinou i have idea, make this in minetest https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1ZtBCpo0eU
18:59 Calinou boss encounter! be smart!
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18:59 WSDguy2014 its Quake speed run done quick
19:00 Calinou no, it's a game sponsored by ALDI SUD
19:00 WSDguy2014 for what?
19:00 Calinou :)
19:01 * sfan5 gives Calinou an Ü
19:01 WSDguy2014 Calinou, in version 0.4.13-RC mushrooms has been added, you can eat mushrooms like old version Survival Test from Minecraft. But why mushroom spores need?
19:02 Sketch2 CalinoÜ
19:03 WSDguy2014 maybe add mushrooms speards very very slowly in dark cave from featuÜre?
19:03 Sketch2 I saw mushroom soup on some server
19:04 Sketch2 I forget which.  you could buy it in the public mine
19:05 Sketch2 I just remember buying tons of it, 'cuz it would heal you
19:08 WSDguy2014 Calinou: why wrong spelling says "minceraft"?
19:09 WSDguy2014 Dat was secret title screen name called "Minceraft" from "Minecraft
19:09 WSDguy2014 ?
19:10 WSDguy2014 -_-
19:10 Calinou yes
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19:13 WSDguy2014 Calinou: check this link from Minecraft Wiki ---> http://minecraft.gamepedia.com/Minceraft#Minceraft
19:13 WSDguy2014 what about "Minceraft"
19:14 Calinou I know about Minceraft
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19:17 freelikegnu isnt that some kind of voxel block game, but made in Java and buggy as hell?
19:18 Calinou it isn't buggy as hell anymore really
19:18 Calinou it used to be before 1.3 and Beta 1.6
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19:20 freelikegnu why would I ever want to play it?
19:20 Calinou yeah, there's no real reason
19:20 hmmmm minetest with realistic graphics and mapgen v7:  http://i.imgur.com/1SHZTmz.jpg
19:21 freelikegnu requiring java alone makes it a non starter for me
19:21 VanessaE haah!
19:21 VanessaE my water and stone textures need updated then :P
19:21 freelikegnu its too bad terasology followed in that path, but at least its foss
19:22 Sketch2 that's great
19:22 freelikegnu lulz
19:23 freelikegnu i cant wait for the HDR shader request
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19:23 Calinou Terasology is ridiculously heavy :/
19:23 Calinou server eats 30% of CPU at idle
19:24 freelikegnu yeah I'm very happy with minetest tyvm
19:24 freelikegnu I wanted a fun multiplayer gaem I could host on my dinky vps
19:25 freelikegnu so I have to ask your opinion, Calinou
19:25 freelikegnu would you consider the models I made for goblins inconsistant with the minetest / carbone-ng style?
19:25 Calinou screenshot?
19:26 freelikegnu http://freelikegnu.org/random/goblins0.94ex.png
19:27 Calinou looks OK
19:27 freelikegnu and if the could be improved, what would make them better
19:27 Calinou what's the license, and where can I download it?
19:28 WSDguy2014 Calinou, i have idea: add chunk status into debug feature with example: Chunk: 13 12 2 in -8 3 -2 <---- Chunk cordinate
19:28 freelikegnu https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=9&amp;t=13004  forum topic
19:28 freelikegnu cc-by-sa 3.0
19:28 Calinou ok
19:29 Calinou some day, I want to build a realistic FPS, probably with Godot
19:29 Calinou but I'm waiting for its 3D engine to be redone
19:29 freelikegnu what would be unique about your FPS, other than being on godot?
19:30 Calinou well, it'd be in True Combat/Urban Terror style, but libre
19:30 Calinou not really like Call of Duty
19:30 Calinou (ever played the Q3 mod True Combat?)
19:30 freelikegnu Combatante Libre!
19:31 Calinou also Godot allows for easy scripting, the architecture is more modular
19:31 Calinou but right now its 3D is not that good
19:31 Calinou a 3D rewrite is planned next year, either with OpenGL ES 3 (mobile support is important) or Vulkan
19:31 freelikegnu story: Trump is elected US Pres, starts a campaign against FOSS.  RMS as to flee the US to Cuba
19:32 freelikegnu ala Dalai Lama to India
19:33 freelikegnu RMS despises violence, but you are sworn to protect him and help him flee
19:35 Calinou freelikegnu, https://github.com/Calinou/fps-test
19:35 freelikegnu o:
19:35 freelikegnu :o
19:35 Calinou this is based on existing code, but it's very poor... there's no real shooting
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19:35 Calinou let alone networking (I'm waiting for networking improvements to do it, it's complicated right now)
19:35 Calinou and I need to train my coding skills too
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19:35 Calinou assets aren't the biggest problem actually, I already have decent ones for many things
19:35 Calinou except the map(s)
19:35 Calinou so I need good Blender skills too, to make those...
19:35 freelikegnu parkour!
19:36 Calinou maybe not, but I'd like iron sights.
19:36 Calinou this would be the first libre FPS to have iron sights \o/
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19:36 Calinou iron sights are love, iron sights are life
19:37 freelikegnu ok another idea, same backstory but you have to get free software to schools and people while avoiding the antifoss police
19:38 Calinou I don't really need or want backstory stuff, it'd be multiplayer-oriented
19:38 Calinou (and bots would be very, very complicated to implement I guess)
19:38 freelikegnu you target your prey carefully to plant a beacon without him realizing it
19:39 freelikegnu you have to watch his breathing and time your short while he is moving about
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19:40 Calinou freelikegnu, for now I've made a pinball game: https://github.com/Calinou/libre-pinball
19:41 freelikegnu so I take it you like the physics in Godat
19:41 freelikegnu Godot
19:41 Calinou RigidBody makes it easy to make a pinball game
19:41 Calinou but for a FPS, you want to use KinematicBodies, not RigidBodies - it's hard to fix the quirks of the latter
19:41 freelikegnu one of the first computer games I ever saw was pinball contruction set
19:41 Calinou sadly FPS Test uses RigidBodies because the guy who made the code didn't make use of KinematicBodies
19:42 freelikegnu was the coolest thing EVAR
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19:45 freelikegnu I dont suppose mobs registered and spawned from one namespace can interact with mobs from another namespace?
19:45 Calinou no, they can't
19:45 freelikegnu unless the other namespace is spcifically mention in the lua code?
19:46 freelikegnu or could the mob code do a kind of wild card search for registerd entities?
19:47 freelikegnu like \*mobs:sand_monster
19:47 Calinou no it doesn't,
19:47 freelikegnu dang
19:47 freelikegnu this mobs situation is pretty messed up
19:48 freelikegnu so the best we can do for now is just put them in their own namespace oblivious to everything else but players?
19:50 freelikegnu would be nice to have something built into the game that can let any mob api know whats running around nearby besides players
19:50 freelikegnu then communicate with those entities directly
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19:53 freelikegnu sensors for entities
19:54 freelikegnu XD
19:58 ElectronLibre freelikegnu: minetest.get_objects_inside_radius() is used whenever a mob has to seek a target or call for help from other mobs.
19:59 freelikegnu :o
19:59 ElectronLibre This also returns players but it's easy to use.
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20:42 freelikegnu ElectronLibre: awesome, I will sink me teeth into that
20:43 ElectronLibre Try to also read this https://github.com/minetest/mine​test/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt that might be useful.
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