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01:17 AndroidKris Hola amigos!
01:17 Hijiri hola
01:19 AndroidKris Hijiri: In XChat, I've been playing around with server commands and stuff...like /whois, and I just did yours...Why does it look like a mac address under your user info?
01:20 AndroidKris Like, mine gives AndroidKris@[ip address].
01:20 Hijiri it is probably IPv6 address
01:21 est31 I dont see any mac address or ipv6 address for AndroidKris.
01:21 AndroidKris Definitely not ipv6
01:21 est31 what AndroidKris has is an ipv4 address
01:21 Hijiri it is ipv6 on me, I mean
01:21 Hijiri not a MAC address
01:22 est31 yes Hijiri thats ipv6
01:22 est31 congrats, you are one of the few :)
01:22 Hijiri I'm at school
01:22 est31 which country
01:22 Hijiri murrica
01:22 est31 ok
01:22 est31 https://www.google.com/intl/en/ipv6/stati​stics.html#tab=per-country-ipv6-adoption
01:22 est31 thats how much ipv6 is in the world :)
01:23 AndroidKris I guess I haven't studied ipv6 enough.lol. Looks similar to a mac address to me.
01:23 Hijiri data seems to be not very complete
01:23 AndroidKris Hijiri, you might be here, but you are connected through london, did you know that?
01:23 Hijiri feels good to be privileged though
01:23 Hijiri no
01:23 Hijiri I didn't check
01:23 AndroidKris Through holmes.freenode.net.lol
01:24 est31 I think it doesnt work like download mirrors
01:24 est31 I mean, irc isnt that heavy load
01:24 Hijiri maybe I should set a close server to connect to instead of generic network redirection address
01:24 est31 ah no
01:25 est31 if that server goes down, you get disconnected
01:25 Hijiri oh, right
01:25 AndroidKris Nah, in case the server you choe.....^^^^
01:25 AndroidKris that
01:25 AndroidKris I was typing the same thing.lol
01:26 est31 on inchranet for example, VanessaE got a new server ,and then many people complained because the've hardcoded her server instead of a generic dns entry
01:26 est31 they*
01:28 AndroidKris Inchranet?
01:28 est31 like freenode
01:28 est31 inchra.net
01:28 AndroidKris I knew it sounded familiar.
01:28 est31 irc.inchra.net
01:29 AndroidKris I see it in xchat's network list now and again.
01:29 est31 is it in there?
01:29 est31 Its a quite small network
01:29 est31 mostly about minetest
01:30 AndroidKris Not any more...It was the other day. I remember because there were a few people here talking about it, so I looked it up.
01:32 AndroidKris lol, I just tried to /connect irc.inchra.net. Got "permission denied - You're not an IRC operator"
01:33 AndroidKris I'll bet the only reason Hijiri is connected through London is because it supports ipv6
01:34 AndroidKris Hahaha, I'm connected through Helsinki.
01:35 Hijiri I'd expect every server to support ipv6
01:35 Hijiri unless that is something particularly expensive
01:35 AndroidKris https://freenode.net/irc_servers.shtml
01:35 AndroidKris Scroll down for server list and ipv4/ipv6 support.
01:36 AndroidKris est31, is connected through Bulgaria.lol
01:37 AndroidKris The way freenode connects people makes it difficult to track someone back to there _actual_ connection point.
01:38 est31 AndroidKris, I guess there is special ipv6 domain name
01:38 AndroidKris Anyone who connects through chat.freenode.net, gets redirected through one of the servers on that list it seems.
01:38 est31 yea
01:40 est31 found an issue though
01:40 est31 will update the patch
01:40 est31 minor issue
01:40 AndroidKris What issue would that be?
01:41 est31 ah
01:41 est31 wrong channel
01:41 est31 belongs into #godotengine
01:41 AndroidKris lol, gotcha
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02:30 kaeza2 Greetings
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02:46 AndroidKris dang, sorry for spamming the channel with my crappy internet disconnections.lol
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02:47 AndroidKris However, this does mean that I can watch Daredevil a whole hour earlier than normal..yay.
02:47 AndroidKris L8r
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03:33 est31 man just so true: http://bash.org/?14207
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05:34 CWz hello Zeno`
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08:30 JamesTait Good morning all; happy Friday, and happy Batman Day! :-D
08:31 Calinou today is an holiday here
08:31 Calinou happy May
08:34 JamesTait Calinou, I'm not sure where "here" is for you, but here in the UK our holiday is on Monday. Several of my colleagues are on holiday today, though.
08:35 Calinou France
08:35 Calinou 1er mai = fête du travail
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09:23 JamesTait Calinou, ah, "Labor Day" I think they call it in the US. May Day is the first Monday in May here.
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09:29 Consortium Sup everyone!
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09:46 MinetestBot [git] sfan5 -> minetest/minetestmapper: Update colors.txt 6e30d47 http://git.io/vJZOB (2015-05-01T11:44:54+02:00)
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10:21 CWz I just saw a video of someone who made/has a hacked client he was able to bypass the "you`re too fast" anticheat thing. how is that possible
10:22 CWz i think anticheat needs improvement
10:22 est31 where?
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10:26 est31 interesting
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10:31 Calinou CWz, faking client time or such?
10:33 sfan5 CWz: are you exactly sure just test has cheat protection enabled?
10:33 Calinou yeah, or it's likely off on that server
10:33 sfan5 the client could ignore the position resets sent by the server
10:34 sfan5 but the server would still have the old pos and won't send MapBlocks near the "cheated" position
10:34 sfan5 the position the server has and the position the client has would desync more and more for every pos-reset the client ignores
10:35 sfan5 MapBlocks wouldn't load
10:35 sfan5 you couldn't interact with any nodes
10:35 sfan5 tl;dr you can't ignore the position resets sent by the server or you won't be able to do anything
10:36 sfan5 the world wouldn't even load
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11:05 Calinou clients that ignore position changes of server should be kicked, like in Minecraft
11:05 sfan5 the server can't detect that
11:06 sfan5 iirc the client sends the movement not the new pos
11:06 OldCoder No?
11:06 sfan5 if the server only gets the movement the client does it can't detect whether the client ignored a pos. reset
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11:51 OldCoder sfan5, ty
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12:33 Calinou http://truecraft.io/
12:33 Calinou whoa
12:35 Calinou a reimplementation of Minecraft Beta 1.7.3
12:35 Calinou it's C# though
12:37 CWz wow an open-source minecraft finally
12:38 CWz oh wait it's non-linux nvm
12:39 Calinou it can run through Mono according to the README
12:39 Calinou here it doesn't build though, reported an issue
12:40 H-H-H i was just going to say it would run under mono or even maybe wine
12:41 CWz too bad most of the work is to the server component and not to the client
12:42 CWz there are several opensource minecraft servers software
12:45 Calinou yeah, like MCServer
12:48 marktraceur Geez, not gonna have much chance running *that* on a GNU/Linux system.
12:48 Calinou many Mono software does run
12:48 Calinou C#'s not going to die anytime soon, like it or not
12:49 H-H-H i run mono apps all the time :)
12:50 CWz C# can be "converted" to c++ easily, no?
12:50 H-H-H for example this runs very well http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Main_Page
12:50 rom1504 CWz: not likely
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13:16 Consortium Hi
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16:16 rubenwardy Hi all!
16:16 Sokomine hi you :-)
16:16 Sokomine would you like to test something?
16:17 VanessaE hey ruben
16:17 VanessaE (and all :) )
16:18 Sokomine hi vanessa :-)
16:18 * Sokomine hopefully throws a build chest at rubenwardy
16:18 xenkey http://truecraft.io/
16:18 xenkey This is cool
16:18 xenkey And I know the author :)
16:19 Sokomine what are village gift shops?
16:19 Calinou xenkey, I know the author too…
16:20 Calinou better not comment on him
16:21 sfan5 why not
16:22 * VanessaE throws a homedecor wardrobe at Sokomine  :)
16:22 Sokomine well, many players did build good things on mc servers. it's good to hear that they now have an alternative to the normal server
16:22 * Sokomine grabs the wardrobe and puts it in a house :-)
16:23 Calinou there are lots of server alternatives, but no client ones
16:23 Sokomine hmm. you may even like my mod, vanessa. it is kind of a..more convenient...version of saving buildings and placing them rotated correctly
16:24 Sokomine calinou: ah. i'd love to be able to connect to an mc server with mt :-) but i'm afraid that won't be possible
16:24 Calinou yeah, will never be
16:24 Calinou we shouldn't really bother anyway, we should just focus on Minetest
16:25 Calinou it's not like we need interoperability; it's just a game, not an image editor or a word processor
16:26 Sokomine i'd be glad about feedback regarding https://github.com/Sokomine/handle_schematics    trouble is: you currently have to maintain your own list_of_schematics.txt  file, containing the full paths to all schematics you'd like to use....
16:27 Sokomine Calinou: well, it would be nice to visit people on mc servers sometimes. some have created impressive buildings (judging from screenshots). but that client just doesn't run convincingly on my machine
16:27 Sokomine anyway...it's unrealistic
16:27 Calinou joining online mode servers would be illegal, so you could join only offline mode
16:27 * Sokomine puts a build chest in front of vanessa
16:27 Calinou and even then, you better have good lawyers at hand
16:28 Sokomine sounds stressful, calinou. so i'd better ask those people for screenshots
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16:31 Sokomine anyway...i'd really love to get some feedback on the build chest (/giveme handle_schematics:build) in the mod above
16:33 * VanessaE picks up the build chest and stores it away
16:34 * Sokomine watches as the build chest spawns houses in vanessae's wardrobe
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16:36 VanessaE haha
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18:12 sofar is there a method to detect a player "jump" or better "fall" in lua?
18:12 sofar event/method
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18:28 Sokomine if the player falls for a loooooonnnnnnnng time...then perhaps. else i don't think so. there are methods to reduce fall damage and/or increase jump height
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18:32 marktraceur minetest.net down?
18:32 marktraceur Reports in lpgc channel.
18:33 Calinou yeah, seems down here too
18:33 CWz seems someone forgot to pay the bills
18:36 VanessaE yep, down
18:36 VanessaE hey mark
18:37 Krock at least the forums aren't down
18:39 * Sokomine is still looking for feedback and testers
18:39 Sokomine guess i'll have to announce the mod in the forum....
18:39 Amaz Which mod Sokomine?
18:40 Sokomine amaz: handle_schematics. it allows you to easily place schematics without having to worry about rotation. you can also replace materials easily
18:40 Amaz Is it on github?
18:41 Sokomine yes. https://github.com/Sokomine/handle_schematics    install mg_villages alongside if you want some schematics beeing provided...
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18:42 Amaz Does it support both .we and .mts schems?
18:45 rubenwardy http://a.pomf.se/laswnl.png :)
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18:46 Sokomine Amaz: yes, it does
18:46 Amaz Great!
18:47 luizrpgluiz minetest.net off :(
18:47 VanessaE we already know, luizrpgluiz
18:50 CWz at least will still have the forum
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18:52 luizrpgluiz but because he was down?
18:53 VanessaE forums are on a different machine than the minetest.net main site.
18:53 VanessaE (and they still work)
18:55 luizrpgluiz I hope they can fix the main site :)
18:57 luizrpgluiz how soon will leave the new version of minetest? 0.5?
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19:07 VanessaE bbl
19:10 luizrpgluiz ?
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19:23 kaeza_ Greetings
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19:54 Sokomine hi kaeza
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20:05 zetok hello :3
20:06 zetok I was pointed to ask here..
20:06 zetok anyone on Linux here interested in playing minetest over toxvpn ?
20:07 xenkey zetok: my state only satisfies one of those conditions
20:08 zetok oh well
20:09 zetok https://gist.github.com/zetok/de76f05a020979b4ab9a ← instructions for anyone interested
20:10 xenkey you realize they're internal ranges
20:10 xenkey right?
20:11 xenkey I doubt someone with that many servers doesn't know about IP ranges
20:11 Calinou this is a VPN
20:11 zetok yes, it's a toxvpn :3
20:11 xenkey Am I a retard
20:11 Calinou is that ToxVPN thing a text, or is it something serious?
20:11 xenkey sounds like something serious
20:12 zetok Calinou: hm? it's a ~functioning hamachi replacement
20:12 Calinou does it remove need for port forwarding?
20:12 Calinou does it lag a lot?
20:12 zetok Calinou: doesn't work yet on windows, but that's a matter of time, I think
20:13 zetok well, it's ~slow over tcp, but over udp it increases ping up to ~10ms
20:13 zetok and yep, there is no need for port forwarding
20:13 xenkey ~slow
20:13 xenkey lol
20:13 zetok 100 packets transmitted, 100 received, 0% packet loss, time 99078ms
20:13 zetok rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 180.857/732.665/3286.497/884.150 ms, pipe 4
20:14 zetok over tcp
20:14 Calinou that's horrible :P
20:14 Calinou will that ever be improved?
20:14 zetok well
20:15 zetok irungentoo was doing something around tcp, so hopefully yes
20:15 xenkey irungentootoo
20:15 zetok but for real thing udp should be used, which almost doesn't increase ping
20:15 xenkey almost [definite term]
20:15 xenkey -.-
20:16 xenkey my anger is almost infinite at you gradating an absolute term
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20:31 sfan5 zetok: how do i know the binary doesn't delete /
20:31 zetok you're free to compile your own, code for it is under GPLv3 :3
20:32 sfan5 where's the code?
20:32 zetok https://github.com/cleverca22/toxvpn
20:32 zetok you'll also need deps: toxcore, libsodium, libjsoncpp, .. I think that's all?
20:33 zetok (I've compiled it statically in binary, so..)
20:33 sfan5 /tmp/toxvpn/main.cpp:232:25: error: no member named 'cout' in namespace 'std'
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20:35 zetok clever: <sfan5> /tmp/toxvpn/main.cpp:232:25: error: no member named 'cout' in namespace 'std'
20:35 sfan5 adding an include for <iostream> fixed it
20:35 clever ah, i'll add that on my end
20:35 clever one of the other headers i pulled in must include that on my system
20:37 sfan5 zetok: i guess i need to give this to you my id is b557f74b536aecd064ead7a931207b97f1f229​b77518dbc1fe4c1e65cced467b51daaf22e689 and IP is 192.168.6.115
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20:39 zetok sfan5: sent FR
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20:39 sfan5 zetok: it accepted but Unknown error -1-1
20:39 zetok oh, right
20:39 sfan5 should i close utox?
20:39 zetok nah
20:39 zetok # modprobe tun
20:39 zetok also, run ./vpn as root
20:40 sfan5 do i need to run whitelist again?
20:40 clever nope
20:40 clever it saves to the state file
20:41 xenkey well what a great way to get hacked
20:41 xenkey also why not use 10. ip ranges
20:41 xenkey and i dont think it would play well with my two routers
20:41 clever you can use any of the private ranges, and i think you can even mix them
20:41 sfan5 fix your routers then
20:41 xenkey no they're fine
20:42 sfan5 clever: did you consider using msgpack instead of json?
20:42 clever sfan5: its currently only using the json to read the ip out of the tox status msg
20:42 clever that can easily just be a fixed string
20:44 clever though i plan to do more complex stuff with json soon, and i havent used msgpack yet
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23:22 kaeza_ Meow?
23:24 VanessaE meow.
23:27 kaeza_ Quite quiet lately
23:27 VanessaE yeah
23:29 kaeza_ Might be that famed "sleep" thing
23:31 VanessaE nah, sleep is as usual, overrated.
23:41 Jordach it's just quiet
23:42 Jordach except my prototype X model

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