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01:45 sofar can someone explain me something regarding technic/mesecons?
01:46 sofar I'm having a hard time understanding how to make a grinder, if the ingredients for making a grinder require that you have... a grinder?
01:48 LittleJoe a grinder of the last power level
01:48 LittleJoe so you need a LV grinder for a MV one and so on
01:49 sofar yes but the LV grinder needs stainless steel ingots
01:49 sofar and that requires... stainless steel dust
01:49 sofar .... which means you need a grinder
01:49 LittleJoe wich you get by grinding stainless steel : )
01:50 sofar so? is there another way to make stainless steel?
01:51 LittleJoe nope
01:51 sofar the machine casing needed for the LV grinder requires bronse (needs bronze dust .. which requires a grinder) and ...
01:51 LittleJoe yeah technic ties all of the available elements together : )
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01:52 sofar so you need a grinder to make a grinder?
01:52 LittleJoe essentially
01:52 LittleJoe but not a LV one
01:52 sofar so explain how I can get a grinder without having a grinder, then, please
01:53 sofar because without that, this whole mod is just bullshit(TM)
01:53 sofar unless you /give or creative cheat one into existance
01:53 LittleJoe doesn't the lv grinder not need one?
01:54 sofar I just explained
01:54 LittleJoe stainless steel
01:54 Brains sofar: You don't need dust to make alloys...
01:54 LittleJoe alloy furnace
01:54 sofar aha
01:54 sofar finally an answer
01:55 sofar Brains: that was entirely unclear to me, obviously, thanks
01:56 LittleJoe sorry, I missed the dust part : )
01:57 * sofar bakes clay to make alloy furnace
01:58 * Brains plays mostly on a home server running a dreambuilder (which includes technic&mesecons) with his son...
01:58 Brains Which reminds me, I still haven't found any uranium...  Wonder why.
02:01 Brains Oh, that is why...  It is apparently a lot deeper than I thought.
02:01 LittleJoe actually it's not below 200 I think
02:02 sofar I can't find mese, got plenty of uranium already
02:02 sofar stay above 300, I believe
02:02 sofar 256-300 is a great place to stay between
02:03 Brains You guys running dreambuilder?
02:04 * Brains just grepped the mods and found a place that puts uranium down below -2000...
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02:19 * Brains has 50 or so diamond blocks...  Stupid things seem to be feast or famine for him.
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02:20 Brains I read the wrong line, not 50 but 20...  Still.
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05:09 sofar any tips to increase brightness in minetest? I'm dropping torches every 4 blocks in order to actually see anything... it doesn't seem very balanced like this
05:10 VanessaE normally a torch is enough to light up about 3x that distance
05:11 VanessaE at least enough to get around
05:11 sofar I can walk around further but I frequently am missing ore nodes just 4-5 nodes away from a torch
05:11 sofar it's just not practical
05:11 sofar it's way, way too dark
05:13 sofar k maybe it's 5 nodes diagonally. not 12 nodes like you say
05:17 gregorycu Ok, sounds like your brightness is too low
05:17 VanessaE there was a proposal at one time to rework that whole thing
05:17 gregorycu What type of graphics card do you have?
05:17 VanessaE I guess it fell flat
05:17 sofar I have little issues with other dark games
05:17 sofar linux+NVIDIA (9800GT) nvidia blob driver
05:18 sofar I tried setting gamma = in minetest.conf
05:18 sofar didn't seem to change anything
05:22 gregorycu Um... There may be settings somewhere
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05:22 gregorycu For your card
05:22 gregorycu Sorry, I have an ATI card and I'm on windows
05:23 sofar indeed, I found a color correction settings that improves it
05:23 sofar it does make my normal desktop completely washed-out white
05:24 sofar more like a white-out
05:24 sofar I can barely read the grey letters on github anymore o_O
05:24 MinetestBot [git] gregorycu -> minetest/minetest: Settings fixes Make the GameGlobalShaderConstantSetter use the settings callback (8% perf improvement in game loop) Ensure variable is set Ensure settings callback is threadsafe ed7c9c4 http://git.io/mZnVJg (2015-01-25T15:23:37+10:00)
05:24 gregorycu That's no good
05:24 sofar but, now I can prance around in caves not placing torches every 5 nodes, lol
05:25 * sofar must be getting old ;)
05:25 gregorycu A lot of games have gamma correction
05:25 gregorycu Maybe ours doesn't work
05:27 sofar Xorg maybe overrides it? I know X handles the gamma...
05:32 gregorycu If you create an issue, I will look into it at some stage
05:32 gregorycu Though I'm on windows, so unless it's a bug in the game...
05:33 sofar I can figure out if the gamma setting in the minetest.conf file setting is maybe broken, then file a bug against that
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05:34 sofar at least I can ask some of my colleagues at work about that, I'm sure they can fix it =)
05:35 * sofar tries to find his elusive diamond ore
05:37 sofar gregorycu: to give an idea how far off it is to "reasonable"
05:37 sofar then nvidia gamma adjustment is set to 1.000 by default, which I assume defaults to a 2.2 gamma or at least 1.8
05:38 sofar I need to set it to 1.4 to make caves feel playable - 1.4x2.2 = 3.08
05:38 sofar that's way off, even if the base gamma is 1.8, I'd be playing at gamma = 2.52
06:10 MinetestBot [git] gregorycu -> minetest/minetest: Suppress MSVC warning in chat.cpp 5b55deb http://git.io/llqozQ (2015-01-25T16:09:23+10:00)
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06:46 sofar wow, I just want 1 diamond
06:47 sofar 2hrs of mining, still no diamond, at -500 or so
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06:52 gregorycu wow
06:52 gregorycu -500
06:52 gregorycu Hey, nobody said it would be easy
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07:43 sofar o_O
07:44 gregorycu You get diamond bro?
07:44 sofar just found 1 cluster with 168 diamonds total in it
07:44 gregorycu ...
07:44 gregorycu What mapgen are you using?
07:44 sofar mg
07:44 sofar with mesecons
07:44 sofar at -750 depth
07:44 gregorycu What's mg?
07:45 sofar https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7263
07:53 nore well, finding diamonds is hard, but once you've found them, you won't be needing to look for those for a while :)
07:53 nore (see the number of people who report to have been unable to find them...)
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08:06 LazyJ VanessaE, have Inchranet's IRC connections changed again?
08:06 VanessaE I'm not sure what's going on with it but services apparently are down
08:06 LazyJ 192.99.11.10/6667 ??
08:06 LazyJ Ah.
08:06 VanessaE ^^^ that's still up as usual though
08:07 LazyJ I logged in to a few of the game servers and saw chat but my IRC client has been timing out from Inchranet for the past few hours.
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09:22 * Krock got the idea of making a mod to allow buying a crafting book crafting guides would be useless then
09:22 Krock *crafting book. crafting guides
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09:49 MinetestBot [git] kilbith -> minetest/minetest_game: Textures Update 5518c27 http://git.io/yvmpxA (2015-01-25T10:48:42+01:00)
09:58 gregorycu nore: Maybe they should be easier to find?
09:58 gregorycu nore: You don't want people to get sick of looking at just give up :)
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09:59 gregorycu Your mod though :
09:59 nore yep, I was thinking at that
09:59 gregorycu :)
09:59 nore but parameters are quite hard to tune
09:59 nore I thought once to add a setting to get normal oregen
09:59 nore but I was too lazy :)
10:00 Calinou 😈
10:05 nore btw; is it a known bug that if an entity is inside an airlike, sunlight_propagates node, it still is darker than it should??
10:05 gregorycu Um...
10:07 gregorycu I can't see a bug report for it
10:07 gregorycu Care to create one?
10:09 nore hm... did I say I was lazy? ;)
10:09 nore but I'll create one
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11:16 Calinou Neolink, what do you need?
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11:21 gregorycu hmm...
11:21 gregorycu What flavour keyboard do you have?
11:22 gregorycu Oh
11:22 gregorycu Does the game crash?
11:23 gregorycu What version?
11:25 gregorycu You on windows?
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11:30 gregorycu I am not aware of any bugs
11:31 gregorycu If you want, you can create an issue, and someone may be able to take a look: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/new
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11:46 gregorycu Пожалуйста, заполните "Title " и "Comment" с настолько подробно, как вы можете, на английском языке. Вот и все.
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12:01 Jordach you have to update your client
12:02 gregorycu Neolink_: Have you tried a brand new install?
12:03 Krock Neolink_, to answer your 1st question: yes it's possble but with some limitations
12:06 gregorycu Neolink_: If you still have problems, try deleting your minetest.conf file
12:08 Krock <Neolink>ОС: Windows XP SP 3 версия 5.1 сборка 2600.xpsp_sp3_qfe.080814-1300
12:08 Krock could you give my latest build a try? https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.ph​p?f=42&amp;t=9515&amp;p=168536#p168536 I compile thoseon Windows XP SP 3
12:08 Krock and it works fine
12:08 Jordach Krock, your build works on XP SP3
12:09 Jordach on a dying Dell Inspiron laptop
12:09 Krock Jordach, good to hear, even when I didn't expect anything else :P
12:10 Jordach Krock, even funnier was the single core 2005  Intel Celeron getting 18fps on Intel Extreme Graphics 2
12:10 gregorycu I can't tell if feed the bears is a joke or not
12:10 Krock The CPU is the "bottleneck then" - as celeron55 told me a while ago :)
12:11 gregorycu A bottleneck which is made better
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13:13 * Fadi is away: Away exploring the Gamma Quadrant.
13:15 Fadi /back
13:15 Fadi woops
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13:46 rubenwardy Hi all!
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14:04 rubenwardy !seen iqualfragile
14:04 MinetestBot rubenwardy: iqualfragile was last seen at 2014-12-19 17:41:29 UTC on #minetest
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15:00 Fadi http://minetest.net/servers
15:00 rubenwardy !server
15:00 MinetestBot rubenwardy: Krock's Ultimative Platform | 85.6.218.161 | Clients: 5/14, 4/9 | Version: 0.4.10-dev_MSVC / base | Ping: 33ms
15:00 rubenwardy !server
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15:09 gregorycu Nice server
15:09 gregorycu The network perf is way better than minecraft
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15:19 gregorycu I have horrible internet and I was on the server no problems
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15:54 rubenwardy Weedy, SmugLeaf: you should add a delay between authenticating and joining channels. I saw your IP address there.
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15:57 * Jordach <3 consistency https://cdn.mediacru.sh/I/Ijja9E6jiO4S.png
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16:09 rubenwardy What would you guys think about a schematics sharing website? YT for MT. :P
16:10 rubenwardy I'm discussing with the http://freepo.st dev about supporting other FOSS websites and applications, Minetest came up.
16:12 rubenwardy Do people share schematics a lot?
16:12 rubenwardy I can visualise an in game catelogue where you spawn other's creations from a website.
16:13 cheapie I generally don't share stuff a whole lot, but something like that still sounds like a good idea to me.
16:14 rubenwardy You could spawn towers, castles, small houses. It would be a good way to interact with the community. Although developing it would be a pain. And the mod store is more important
16:16 * cheapie never even uses the mod store
16:17 rubenwardy Lol. It is good for new players, though
16:17 rubenwardy If it worked
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16:19 rubenwardy :S
16:19 gregorycu If you put your mind to it, I think you can pull it off
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16:46 Caleneledh Does anyone have any idea what would cause minetest.get_node(p) to return air for everything?
16:47 rubenwardy Check capitalisation of the pos table? Is the map block loaded there?
16:48 Caleneledh pos table is correct, I believe. All lower case keys.
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17:06 Caleneledh Found the issue.  I was getting an incorrect position due to  a miscall of get_pointed_thing_position(), and that in turn was messing up get_node()
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17:45 Kalabasa Why is there no wallmounted_to_dir
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18:00 kaeza 42
18:00 kaeza also, greetings
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18:07 Krock 42?
18:08 rubenwardy The meaning of life, the universe and everything.
18:08 Krock a right.
18:08 Krock +h
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18:13 Kalabasa There, I made a wallmounted_to_dir.
18:15 Kalabasa Let's see if this works: #2203 !!
18:15 Kalabasa nope :(
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18:17 * twoelk wonders wether Minetest version 42.0.0 will include the answers to all questions
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18:33 Kalabasa You mean 0.42.0? ;D
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18:38 kaeza at this rate, more like 0.4.42
18:38 kaeza :(
18:38 kaeza :((
18:42 Polsaker lol
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18:54 Fadi Sorry for the nick changing and timeout spam, dunno why my internet is being so crap.
18:55 kaeza been there bro
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19:10 rubenwardy Calinou, https://cdn.mediacru.sh/J/JppM_JhpordO.png
19:14 Calinou what is the bar at the bottom, rubenwardy ?
19:14 SylvieLorxu Calinou: I think it's part of the debug functionality of Symphony, which FreePost uses
19:15 rubenwardy Dev toolbar.
19:15 rubenwardy I'm running freepo.st on my localhost
19:16 rubenwardy Calinou, ##freepost!
19:16 rubenwardy :P
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19:26 sofar anyone playing technic that can explain why a water turbine isn't generating power even when it's green, and I have a switching station?
19:26 sofar I assume the water turbine is LV, that was wholly inapparent
19:26 sofar is the power coming out of a special face?
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19:31 sofar oh goodness, it's a mesecons water turbine, not a technic water mill
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19:36 Calinou https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B8N5mGVCUAAzLmM.jpg
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19:37 rubenwardy wow
19:38 Krock 2xwow
19:40 kaeza sofar, --> #minetest-technic
19:42 sofar kaeza: heh
19:42 sofar Calinou: lol
19:43 est31 ~seen VanessaE
19:43 ShadowBot est31: I saw VanessaE in #minetest 11 hours, 36 minutes, and 21 seconds ago saying "^^^ that's still up as usual though"
19:44 est31 ~help ~seen
19:44 ShadowBot est31: Error: There is no command "~seen".
19:45 est31 ~help seen
19:45 ShadowBot est31: (seen [channel] <nick>) -- Finds the last time a nick was seen speaking and what they said.
19:45 est31 ~seen * VanessaE
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19:45 est31 no regex :(
19:45 est31 ~seen ShadowNinja
19:45 rubenwardy ~seen any VanessaE
19:45 ShadowBot est31: I saw ShadowNinja in #minetest 4 days, 16 hours, 59 minutes, and 44 seconds ago saying "tim_flatus: The reason is because I've written a lot of code for UI and i m d b3st m0dr :-P"
19:45 ShadowBot rubenwardy: seen [channel] <nick>
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19:46 rubenwardy lol
19:46 kaeza so much VanessaE pings
19:46 kaeza oops
19:46 ShadowNinja ~admin ignore add *@gateway/tor-sasl/est3
19:46 ShadowBot ShadowNinja: Error: '*@gateway/tor-sasl/est3' is not a valid nick or hostmask.
19:47 ShadowNinja ~admin ignore add *@gateway/tor-sasl/est31
19:47 ShadowBot ShadowNinja: Error: '*@gateway/tor-sasl/est31' is not a valid nick or hostmask.
19:47 ShadowNinja ~admin ignore add *!*@gateway/tor-sasl/est31
19:47 ShadowBot ShadowNinja: O.K.
19:47 Jordach_ [x] rekt
19:47 SmugLeaf WHY DOES IT FUCKING USE NOTICES
19:47 kaeza ^
19:47 Jordach_ "rfc"
19:47 SmugLeaf fucking beeps
19:47 est31 I've tried /m ShadowBot but that didnt work
19:47 est31 sorry for spamming
19:47 SmugLeaf beeps everywhere
19:48 kaeza WHY DOES YOUR CLIENT EVEN FUCKING BEEP
19:48 SmugLeaf so people can highlight me
19:48 SmugLeaf and I'll actually see it
19:48 kaeza but why on channel notices?
19:48 Fadi iirc you can disable notice beeps
19:49 SmugLeaf I dunno
19:49 SmugLeaf I installed irssi 7 years ago and never needed to change it
19:49 Fadi but yeah it shouldn't send channel notices.. :|
19:49 rubenwardy !g irssi disable beep on notices
19:49 MinetestBot rubenwardy: http://scripts.irssi.org/
19:49 SmugLeaf no one uses notices for crap
19:50 SmugLeaf anyway it's ignored, so carry on
19:50 kaeza it's a recommendation of the IRC RFC
19:50 kaeza bots are supposed to not respond to notices
19:50 est31 ShadowNinja: is there a way to privately speak with shadowbot? sorry for the spamming
19:51 ShadowNinja SmugLeaf: Use a decent client.
19:51 ShadowNinja est31: Yes, it's called /msg...
19:51 kaeza if botA sends "botB: do x", and botB responds with "botA: OK", then botA re-replies with "botB: ..."
19:51 rubenwardy what
19:51 est31 ah ok thanks
19:51 rubenwardy "irssi - The client of the future"
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19:52 kaeza or something along the lines
19:53 est31 ShadowNinja: does it ingore me now also on /msg channels?
19:53 rubenwardy You will now be ignored so long that the ninja forgets. :D
19:53 est31 oh
19:53 ShadowNinja est31: Yes.  Removed.
19:53 kaeza can't parse
19:53 est31 ok
19:54 est31 thanks can I find its src somewhere?
19:54 ShadowNinja ~source
19:54 ShadowBot My source is at https://github.com/ProgVal/Limnoria -- Custom plugins are at https://github.com/ShadowNinja/Limnoria-plugins
19:54 est31 thanks
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20:33 NakedFury hello
20:33 sfan5 hi
20:33 NakedFury how is everyone here?
20:33 NakedFury ohh and happy new year even if its late
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20:44 Nytram IF it's late? It's 25th. Thanks and Happy New Year to you anyway. oO
20:45 T4im hmm the serializer seems to have problems serializing minetest.hash_node_position() numbers correctly :/
20:47 T4im is there an alternative way to get them into a more condense type anyway? (base64 string or something like that) I feel like I'm missing something, because I'd expect this to be used more often for hashmaps O_o
20:49 Calinou hi NakedFury
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20:49 NakedFury hi to you to
20:51 T4im either way is anyone of you is using minetest.serialize with hashmaps using large numeric indexes (like minetest.hash_node_poistion() is supplying, 48bit after all), be aware that you might be running into occasionally collisions, because tostring() seems to be used, which formats numbers with a certain size in a scientific notation
20:51 T4im if *
20:52 * T4im is gonna compensate somehow with own formatting
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20:54 c0de1 hi
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21:10 nore T4im, you should fix builtin then, since it uses that formatting to serialize forceloaded blocks
21:10 T4im oh
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21:26 T4im oh wow… lua doesn't even complain about the fact that calculations are done on that less precise format when getting the position back… this might mean that completely different blocks are being forceloaded on restarted… D: what's with all those forceloading bugs latly
21:27 T4im in fact, I just run a quick test and managed to let it load a completely different block on startup than what I told him to forceload via anchor before
21:27 T4im only neighbouring block, but still
21:27 Fadi I tried doing that once, I ended up crying in a corner
21:27 Fadi :<
21:27 T4im seen as those are persistent, and not removed, anchor usage leads to persistent forceloaded blocks :/
21:28 T4im until someone actually deletes the textfile that is
21:28 * T4im throws himself into the corner too
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22:18 ecutruin1 Hey.  Curiously.  How feasible currently is it to alter the functionality of the item bar on the HUD?
22:20 ecutruin Has anyone here messed with it at all?
22:23 shadowzone I've never messed with it before.
22:25 mecatninja does minetest have an offtopic-minetestchannel somewhere?
22:27 shadowzone You're in it.
22:27 acerspyro heh
22:27 acerspyro welcome to heaven
22:28 jin_xi_ ecutruin: not that i have tried much, but i think the hotbar is kind of hardcoded in its looks and functionality
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22:29 shadowzone jin_xi_: I don't think so, VanessaE was able to tweak her's a little.
22:30 shadowzone her's is 16 slots.
22:31 VanessaE it's easily changed - my code came from Carbone originally
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22:37 ecutruin I want to move it, shrink it.. and remove the scrollwheel functionality.
22:39 VanessaE well expanding/shrinking and moving it are something you can do in Lua (in realtime I think), but not the scroll wheel function
22:39 VanessaE that part is, afaik, hard-coded
22:40 ecutruin Can I just hide it completely and replace the functionality with a custom hud addon?
22:41 VanessaE probably, but getting it to respond to number keys may not be possible...?
22:42 ecutruin Cannot override keypresses?
22:42 VanessaE not in Lua
22:50 ecutruin Hrm
22:52 VanessaE custom key bindings from Lua have been requested before, so maybe you or someone can code a proper engine hook for it.
22:52 Fadi wait we can't override keypresses in lua? aw
22:52 Fadi :/
22:53 est31 but the client always should be abled to change it
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23:03 ecutruin I really don't have time to re-learn C++ just to make keybindings work, sadly. >.<  Though maybe if I just decide to change a bunch, I could justify re-learning it.  Not sure right now.
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23:14 sofar can someone tell me what the 'e' key actually is good for? I haven't found a single use for it yet
23:14 est31 e is for fast
23:14 est31 press it while walking
23:14 est31 and check for the fast priv
23:14 est31 /privs
23:15 acerspyro I set it to my inventory
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23:15 acerspyro While I set ctrl to use
23:15 sofar I have the priv, doesn't make me faster
23:15 sofar it's j for me
23:15 est31 try enabling fast mode
23:15 acerspyro sofar: yes
23:15 acerspyro You need to toggle it with j
23:15 acerspyro Then hold E and walk
23:15 est31 sofar you have fly enabled?
23:15 sofar acerspyro: so ... which items can you 'use'
23:15 acerspyro Buttons iirc?
23:15 sofar it's my own server, I can do what I want
23:16 est31 when you have fly disabled, e makes you run
23:16 sofar right-click button isn't using it?
23:16 acerspyro idk
23:16 est31 when fly is enabled, j makes toogle run
23:16 est31 and when fly is disabled, you also need to be in fast mode (toggled by j)
23:16 sofar inventory at I and use at E is ... just terrible
23:17 sofar I press the inventory button all the time, it should default somewhere left on the keyboard
23:17 est31 therefore I think that lua keybindings should not be only settable by the server but also configurable by the client
23:17 acerspyro sofar: just set inventory to E and use to Ctrl
23:17 est31 not everybody wants the same keybindings
23:18 acerspyro est31: tf you on about
23:18 acerspyro You can change keybinds
23:18 est31 yes but some ppl demanded lua keybindings on here
23:19 acerspyro idk
23:19 sofar I know I can, but I'm playing and playing and just wondering... when is 'use' going to start being useful?
23:19 sofar a good default, it is not
23:19 est31 ecutruin demanded them
23:19 est31 scroll up
23:20 sofar this is something you should do usability research
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23:20 ecutruin I demanded? O.o;  I more so was curious if it was possible as I had an idea I could do with MT.. but it won't work it seems.
23:20 sofar make 10 new players play for 15 minutes, give 5 'e' for inventory, give 5 'i' for inventory, measure which one is happy about the key ... etc.
23:21 acerspyro sofar: Well
23:21 acerspyro Thing is, I've tried.
23:21 acerspyro Seems like devs never notice, or even acknowledge bad interface decisions.
23:22 ecutruin I am of the opinion that MT as an engine should give the developer the ability to overhaul most anything to create an experience.  And is should be up to said developer what keybindings are what and if they will allow them to be configured.
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23:22 ecutruin It seems to be getting there though, slowly.
23:22 est31 you mean the server owner?
23:23 est31 minetest is free software you are free to *develop* which experience with it you want
23:23 ecutruin Server owner, game maker, mod developer, etc.
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23:23 Kay cant chat hell?
23:23 T4im oh, the e key is actually a use key?
23:23 Kay cant chat. help? mobile.
23:23 ecutruin Whomever makes the content the user will be playing should have control of what said content is, how its interacted with, etc.
23:23 acerspyro est31: Not a reason for defaults to suck
23:24 acerspyro Guest34345: Bit vague (sarcastic). Try again.
23:24 T4im I wonder if we can use it in those alternate scenarios for nodes we use sneak in so far
23:24 acerspyro Guest34345: iOS?
23:24 * T4im checks if its being returned with the player controls
23:24 Guest34345 ... ugh. I havent played minetest for two years. I completely forgot the controls.
23:25 Guest34345 A droid.
23:25 acerspyro ok
23:25 T4im doesn't seem so :S
23:25 T4im unless aux1 is that one
23:25 acerspyro Some people come in and are like "I can't chat" "What OS" "iOS" "Not supported. Scram."
23:25 est31 T4im: great idea. I really hate when I'm in fly mode, want to place an item next to one with an inventory, and have to press sneak
23:26 acerspyro Guest34345: You press the chat button and it doesn't do anything?
23:26 Guest34345 Meep. I used to play perfectly fine. Two years ago. :(
23:26 Guest34345 the server has a weird gui.
23:26 T4im the sneak key has become the ultimate key… sneak, crouch, grep the underground, use, switch modes
23:27 acerspyro Guest34345: updated your client? :P
23:27 est31 grep? as in unix grep?
23:27 T4im greb*
23:27 T4im grab*
23:27 acerspyro GRWGASEJIRVNJASIKVNEARIGN*
23:27 est31 ah
23:27 Guest34345 comepletely updated.
23:27 T4im unix grep broke my spelling of that word
23:27 T4im :D
23:27 Guest34345 the name's Kay, BTW
23:27 acerspyro Guest34345: 0.4.11 (or 0.4.12, idk if it's out)
23:28 acerspyro Guest34345: It's taken, and we call you by your IRC nickname
23:28 Guest34345 dunno ugh XP Such a newb.
23:28 est31 acerspyro: planned release date is january 29
23:28 est31 try logging in to #minetest-dev
23:28 est31 out and in
23:29 acerspyro oh didn't notice the topic
23:30 Guest34345 hold up. brb
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23:53 Kay_Demonia Ugh. Why is my acc 'Kay' not logging in?!! Grrrrrr
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23:56 Kay_Demonia Anyway... who can help? I'm on Android and my Minetest won't allow me to chat?

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