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00:09 STHGOM how do you put water in a drinking glass?
00:11 marktraceur STHGOM: Well, you pour it.
00:11 marktraceur Oh, in the game.
00:12 shadowzone heh
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07:27 stormchaser3000 oh !@#$
07:28 stormchaser3000 wth
07:28 stormchaser3000 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7VzufzHOdk
07:28 stormchaser3000 that is unity 8
07:28 stormchaser3000 *pukes*
07:29 ThatGraemeGuy xfce ftw!
07:33 stormchaser3000 i don't use xfce
07:33 stormchaser3000 i use kde
07:34 stormchaser3000 kde 5 atm
07:34 stormchaser3000 but i like kde 4's compatability
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07:42 ThatGraemeGuy I've been wanting to try awesome and/or i3 but thus far I've been too lazy :D
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08:33 redstonecraftpl Hi
08:38 stormchaser3000 hi
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08:58 Krock meow
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10:09 the_kreator hi
10:09 redstonecraftpl hi
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10:10 redstonecraftpl Any good servers with no griefers and familiar athmosphere? (I THINK I WROTE IT good! Btw, IT WAS SHIFT!)
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10:15 the_kreator hi
10:15 the_kreator hi
10:15 the_kreator anybody here can make a server that full of mods?
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10:36 Krock redstonecraftpl, diffrent servers - diffrent atmosphere. I couldn't say you any which has a familiar one
10:37 sfan5 Krock: different*
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10:54 Krock sfan5, uh thx. wrote it wrong allthe time
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11:20 the_kreator who can tell me ho to make a server
11:21 sfan5 the forum
11:21 the_kreator i dont understand the guide at the forum
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11:23 the_kreator hello can some body answer m question
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11:38 redstonecraftpl I have a trouble
11:38 redstonecraftpl when i try to launch minetest i got THIS:
11:38 redstonecraftpl (wait a while)
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11:40 Krock use pastebin for long mesages please
11:41 redstonecraftpl http://wklej.org/id/1564867/
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11:42 redstonecraftpl i am not sure for the line 5, (it is my polish to english translation)
11:42 Krock Digging a node eats 10 fps.. I just discovered
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11:42 Krock too less memory?
11:42 jin_xi it has to make textures if you have not dug this type of node before
11:42 redstonecraftpl i dont know, i launched minetest before and played
11:42 sfan5 Krock: s/less/few/
11:42 redstonecraftpl And i restarted my comp..
11:43 sfan5 redstonecraftpl: where did you get minetest?
11:43 * Krock gives sfan5 a kitten
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11:43 jin_xi or its the meshupdates caused by placing crack
11:43 redstonecraftpl sfan5: Someone gave me a link(not zelda) to forum. There were a script, that i pasted to console and BOOOM!
11:43 jbb I had played minetest at school!
11:43 redstonecraftpl really?
11:43 jbb In multiplayer with my friends
11:43 redstonecraftpl 1fps? :D
11:44 Krock jbb, some teachers prefer when you sleep instead
11:44 jbb yes the teacher has just looked at his own PC
11:45 Krock Interesting.. digging 1 node ^= 10 fps ^= 10% CPU usage
11:45 jin_xi also particles if you have them enabled
11:45 jbb but at school there are very slow PCs
11:45 jbb :(
11:46 redstonecraftpl 256MB ram and Intel Pentium 3? Norm in poland
11:46 jbb like this
11:46 Krock Commodore64 pls
11:46 jbb but now there comes new ones
11:47 redstonecraftpl Amiga 600 :D
11:47 jbb but in Berlin the school PCs are very slow
11:47 sfan5 jbb: depends on the school
11:47 redstonecraftpl Atari 65XE
11:48 redstonecraftpl or better, atari 400
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11:49 jbb sorry, but my english isnt so well -(
11:49 jbb :(
11:49 redstonecraftpl main too
11:49 redstonecraftpl mine*
11:49 redstonecraftpl So, any ideas for my minetest? Pls
11:50 sfan5 redstonecraftpl: which linux distro?
11:50 Krock Debain ^
11:50 jbb do youu speak german?
11:50 Krock jbb, #minetest-de
11:50 * sfan5 speaks german
11:50 redstonecraftpl debian, as you may see in http://wklej.org/id/1564867/
11:50 jbb yes debian is the best!
11:50 Krock redstonecraftpl, try to update the irrlicht version to 1.8.1
11:50 jbb or semplice
11:51 redstonecraftpl by apt-get upgrade irrlicht ?
11:51 Krock no idea. you're the linux user here
11:51 redstonecraftpl OK
11:52 Krock (and many other people are linux users too)
11:52 * Krock feels tiny
11:52 redstonecraftpl (and just an normal 12 year old kid, i am not kidding)
11:53 redstonecraftpl first let's try reinstall it, bcause i dont see newer version
11:53 LazyJ Check Irrlicht's website, sourceforge, github page,... whatever it is they have.
11:53 jbb www.windoof.org
11:54 * Krock loves the simplyness of just copy&paste dlls
11:54 redstonecraftpl newer irrlich only for jessie(debian 8)
11:54 redstonecraftpl let's try reinstall minetest..
11:54 redstonecraftpl fully
11:54 Krock jbb, I doubt, that's in english
11:54 sfan5 Krock: are you saying downloading DLLs from some random website and putting them somewhere is easier than sudo apt-get install libirrlicht
11:55 LazyJ If they provide a ".deb" (debian package), then you can install it using the dpkg command.
11:55 redstonecraftpl sfan5: HEY HEY!!! NOT DLL"S! .SO! and that is shift
11:55 Krock sfan5, random official irrlicht site. yeah. sure <.<
11:55 sfan5 redstonecraftpl: .so files are DLLs too
11:56 sfan5 because DLL means Dynamic Link Library
11:56 redstonecraftpl okok
11:56 * Krock wonders about the sense of .so
12:01 jin_xi shared object?
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12:01 john_minetest hi
12:01 redstonecraftpl i think bingo
12:03 redstonecraftpl 30%
12:08 redstonecraftpl 95%
12:08 redstonecraftpl After reinstall it works 100%
12:18 redstonecraftpl Krock, do you have a server?
12:18 Krock two.
12:19 redstonecraftpl i see one on official list
12:20 Krock http://servers.minetest.net/ you'll find the two servers, using their IP
12:21 redstonecraftpl Whow, this teleporter is cool. How you made it? Easy?
12:22 Krock teleporter?
12:23 redstonecraftpl yep
12:23 redstonecraftpl this on start
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12:24 Krock The elevator?
12:24 Krock https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=4877
12:24 redstonecraftpl yes..
12:24 redstonecraftpl but this is amod
12:25 redstonecraftpl why many fog.. And where i can obtain cub?
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13:43 * Jordach pokes VanessaE
13:49 * jojoa1997 pokes Jordach
13:50 Jordach https://cdn.mediacru.sh/T/TKGGenG_ROeP.png meow~
13:50 jojoa1997 Jordach got any suggestions for games I should try? sub-games is it?
13:52 * Jordach gives jojoa1997 shifty eyes
13:52 Jordach BFD :3
13:52 jojoa1997 oh there is a subgames section on the forums
13:53 jojoa1997 How have you been doing Jordach ?
13:53 Jordach alright
13:56 redstonecraftpl I am back
13:56 redstonecraftpl AnD CRAP! Again dont works!
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14:03 jojoa1997 Jordach I like BFD
14:03 jojoa1997 Im downloading it now to try it
14:04 jojoa1997 ...and the latest minetest build
14:04 exio4 hey, do you should I should buy a thermaltake psu
14:04 exio4 smart m720w +80% bronze
14:06 john_minetest :3
14:07 john_minetest redstonecraftpl: What problems do you experience?
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14:12 redstonecraftpl john_minetest: sometimes game start, but sometimes dont. When it dont start, i must delete minetest folder and reinstall it
14:12 redstonecraftpl next time i will copy files
14:12 redstonecraftpl nothing more :))
14:13 redstonecraftpl Oh, one more problem, i cant find server where are no griefers and no 1 player plays..
14:15 jojoa1997 Try VanessaE's servers
14:15 jojoa1997 also what operating system do you use?
14:15 jojoa1997 redstonecraftpl ^
14:15 redstonecraftpl Debian 7.7
14:15 redstonecraftpl amd64
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14:16 redstonecraftpl with xorg(No! Plain text XDD), and MATE(gnome 2 clone)
14:17 jojoa1997 Are you using the debian version or building it yourself
14:18 jojoa1997 I use ubuntu half the time so I am a used to building it and running
14:18 redstonecraftpl i am using actual (downloading isos)
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14:19 jojoa1997 wait are you running a live cd?
14:21 redstonecraftpl no
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14:21 redstonecraftpl No, i'am not
14:22 jojoa1997 ok. also btw I am pretty sure there is no other way to install debian except through cd images(iso)
14:23 redstonecraftpl or dvd :D
14:23 ElectronLibre (Or by a live USB, same thing, but not same tool)
14:23 john_minetest redstonecraftpl: There are a few good servers
14:23 jojoa1997 same thing
14:25 shadowzone redstonecraftpl: try selah.us.to/30001 or mtzeno.com/30000
14:25 shadowzone those two are pretty good
14:25 ElectronLibre As far as I know, there is no way to install Debian except an image, or downloading the kernel, sources, and to compile by our own. But it would be more a Linux From Scratch at the beggining.
14:32 redstonecraftpl i am on vanessea, will try your later, shadowzone
14:33 shadowzone okay
14:37 Megaf redstonecraftpl: then try mt.megaf.info 30003
14:37 Megaf !server Megaf
14:37 MinetestBot Megaf: Megaf Server v4.0 | mt.megaf.info:30003 | Clients: 1/10, 0/4 | Version: 0.4.10-dev / MegafXploreNext | Ping: 2ms
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15:19 shadowzone https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/pull/382
15:20 ElectronLibre Ouch, why?
15:20 shadowzone Cause it makes it seem more real to life
15:20 shadowzone dirt in real life falls right?
15:22 ElectronLibre Right, I'm just thinking about the impact on the current mapgen.
15:22 shadowzone I've tried it, it works just fine.
15:23 ElectronLibre Ok, so why not..
15:24 shadowzone why not what?
15:24 ElectronLibre But I think it's too late for this modification to be merged for 0.4.11 (release in 2 days if I remember correctly).
15:24 ElectronLibre Why not accept the modification.
15:24 shadowzone okay
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15:25 ElectronLibre (I just imagine how many of my buildings, like floating farms, are gonna be destroyed by this modification *-*)
15:25 shadowzone Who has floating farms?
15:26 marktraceur Wait what
15:26 marktraceur Dirt's going to fall?
15:26 ElectronLibre If shadowzone's modification is merged.
15:26 marktraceur Crazy
15:26 marktraceur That's too much of a change in the assumptions of the game, methinks
15:26 shadowzone Yes, I am crazy.
15:27 marktraceur shadowzone: Any way to make it affect only dirt placed after the patch?
15:27 shadowzone I can undo to farming_dirt
15:27 shadowzone so it's only dirt and dirt_with_grass
15:28 marktraceur Eugh, but I have some dirt floating that isn't farming dirt
15:28 marktraceur It's for trees.
15:28 shadowzone so is it just a dumb pull request?
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15:33 Megaf [15:20:40] <shadowzone> dirt in real life falls right?
15:33 Megaf Everything falls in real life...
15:33 shadowzone True
15:34 ElectronLibre Chests, trees, apples, cobblestone, etc..
15:34 ElectronLibre Even players.
15:34 shadowzone So was that a dumb pull request?
15:35 Megaf ElectronLibre: https://github.com/minetest/minetest​_game/pull/382#issuecomment-67850182
15:36 shadowzone if you want me to close it I Can
15:39 Megaf Im confused
15:39 Megaf wasnt that an ElectronLibre push?
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15:39 shadowzone Nope
15:39 shadowzone mine
15:40 Jordach shadowzone, https://cdn.mediacru.sh/T/TKGGenG_ROeP.png
15:40 shadowzone awwwwe, how cute.
15:42 Megaf shadowzone: you really want dirt to fall?
15:42 shadowzone I think it would be cool
15:43 Megaf shadowzone: and what happens too all tunnels and houses and stuff people built? And caves
15:44 ElectronLibre Megaf: "I didn't do it".
15:44 Megaf shadowzone: and dirt is not like gravel in real life, it can stay firmly in place
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15:44 shadowzone Not very well
15:44 Megaf shadowzone: What could be could is, a new nod, mud! Real mud, and that mud could fall
15:44 Megaf and mud could be very similar to dirt
15:44 shadowzone I suppose that is possible
15:44 ElectronLibre It would be very easy to create.
15:45 ElectronLibre And to add in the mapgen like clay.
15:45 Megaf or even, wet dirt
15:45 Megaf we have that already
15:45 Megaf wet dirt could fall
15:45 twoelk oh dear, doesn't mapgen-mudflow do enough mapgrieving allready?
15:45 Megaf however, it would destroy lots of farms
15:46 * twoelk tries to remember some mod that added mudslides
15:46 Megaf why two falling_node? groups = {crumbly=3, falling_node=1, sand=1, soil = 1,falling_node=1},
15:47 shadowzone That was an accident
15:47 twoelk shadowzone: actually you can burrow in dirt a lot more safely than in sand in real life.
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15:47 Megaf twoelk: yep, rabbits, hares and dogs and other animals do that all the time
15:47 twoelk In minetest it would break a lot of things or at least make them a lot more difficult
15:47 marktraceur twoelk: You've done a lot of burrowing lately, eh?
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15:48 Krock Megaf, for faster falling down
15:48 twoelk I used to when I was smaller ;-)
15:48 Megaf lmao Krock
15:48 Krock :P
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15:49 twoelk for my current size the rabbit hole would rather have to fit a bear or two
15:50 Krock fill the rabbit holes with antiholes
15:50 * twoelk considers wether he is an anti-hole
15:50 john_minetest You can sell holes for cheese and similar. Storage is pretty easy.
15:51 Krock ^
15:51 twoelk cheesy eh?
15:51 redstonecraftpl Vanesea(or something) server is cool
15:52 twoelk ever seen The Yellow Submarine and that nice portable hole that fits into a pocket?
15:52 twoelk redstonecraftpl: which one, there are many
15:52 Megaf redstonecraftpl: would you consider trying my server?
15:53 john_minetest I read some book about a man storing holes and by that creating a giant tunnel in the ground.
15:53 Krock We've luck. The chicken produce eggs hich EXACTLY fit in our eggcups!
15:53 Krock *which
15:53 john_minetest The book wasn't aboouut that guy, he only appeared a bit
15:53 Megaf good guy chicken
15:53 Megaf or girl
15:53 Megaf or bird
15:54 Megaf is chicken a bird?
15:54 exio4 duh, noone said anything :(
15:54 john_minetest Not all eggs fit in egg cups.
15:54 Krock john_minetest, yeah. true. but I talked about checken eggs
15:54 Krock *chicken
15:54 exio4 do you think I should buy a thermaltake M750W PSU, or go for something else
15:55 john_minetest Quails got tiny eggs, ostriches got giant ones
15:55 Megaf exio4: the best PSU I have ever had was a Cooler Master
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15:57 twoelk Megaf: ever tried this mod? https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5691
15:59 Megaf heh, thats a modification of lava
15:59 Megaf it turns dirt into lava_source
15:59 Megaf mud_source, very interesting
16:01 twoelk some lag the last time I tried it several mt versions ago
16:02 redstonecraftpl Megaf: Could you give me IP?
16:02 redstonecraftpl Megaf: If you want me to try ;p
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16:04 Megaf redstonecraftpl: sure
16:05 Megaf !server Megaf
16:05 MinetestBot Megaf: Megaf Server v4.0 | mt.megaf.info:30003 | Clients: 2/10, 0/4 | Version: 0.4.10-dev / MegafXploreNext | Ping: 2ms
16:05 Megaf This one ^
16:05 exio4 uh
16:05 exio4 will look for prices of CM
16:06 someguy_irc um.
16:06 someguy_irc help?
16:06 Megaf lol, vegetation is taking over my server
16:06 marktraceur Megaf: Bulldoze it all, build parking lots #problemsolved
16:06 Megaf I dont know if it something from moretrees/plant_lib or something from the current minetest_game
16:06 exio4 coolermaster is expensive
16:06 Megaf there are green stuff coming from dirt ceilings
16:07 marktraceur Wat
16:07 Megaf and lots of green stuff coming from leaves
16:07 marktraceur Megaf: "green stuff"
16:07 marktraceur I don't know what that means.
16:08 exio4 tentacles
16:08 exio4 obviously.
16:08 Megaf exio4: yeah, like that!
16:09 someguy_irc Megaf,i cant access pastebin on any of my browsers from like for a few weeks, and I just tried to access it with a proxy and it works.
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16:09 someguy_irc Megaf, have any clue whats going on o.o
16:10 Megaf yep, they blocked you IP because they think you are a spammer
16:10 someguy_irc Wow.
16:10 someguy_irc OH coME on.
16:10 Megaf wow
16:10 Megaf wow,  I say wow, look at that
16:10 Megaf An error occurred during a connection to www.google.com. The server rejected the handshake because the client downgraded to a lower TLS version than the server supports.
16:10 someguy_irc I just have a few scripts ._.
16:11 someguy_irc Yea I spam... [NO.]
16:11 someguy_irc Jesus.
16:11 someguy_irc but/.
16:12 someguy_irc Good I can at least log in using the proxy -.-
16:17 someguy_irc Mefaf.
16:17 someguy_irc I just found out.
16:17 john_minetest Megaf: A _bit_ green :P
16:17 someguy_irc pastebin was banned in India? [with a ?]
16:18 shadowzone LOL
16:18 someguy_irc shadowzone, there is no reason to "laugh out loud"
16:18 someguy_irc LOL ^.
16:18 shadowzone I know
16:19 shadowzone Just made me laugh
16:19 someguy_irc Haha, yeah...
16:19 Krock http://i.imgur.com/1mrUr43.png
16:19 john_minetest Nice
16:20 exio4 what TP?
16:21 Krock base_game TP
16:21 Krock it's a mix
16:25 Krock !tell paramat http://i.imgur.com/3Zak3yx.png
16:25 MinetestBot Krock: yeah, sure, whatever
16:28 Krock How to troll newbies: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZG4l7iRJnMg
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16:42 redstonecraftpl Megaf
16:42 redstonecraftpl can you give me perms?
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16:56 shadowzone Jordach: check out my first render. http://picpaste.com/pics/Scree​nshot-JxxF0ld8.1419267353.png
17:05 twoelk shadowzone: playing with Blender?
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17:07 shadowzone Yep
17:08 twoelk cool
17:09 Calinou for images, try lut.im or mediacru.sh
17:09 shadowzone How does it look so far?
17:09 Calinou …it's just a bunch of cubes
17:10 Calinou also your render doesn't have anti-aliasing
17:10 shadowzone Calinou: I am 12, just starting blender, don't expect it to be perfect
17:11 exio4 still better than anything I could ever do with blender
17:11 exio4 I tried using blender once, I failed to do anything
17:11 shadowzone Lol
17:12 shadowzone I've been learning
17:12 shadowzone very slowly
17:12 sfan5 exio4: r u doge
17:12 shadowzone but I've been learning
17:12 exio4 no sfan5
17:12 sfan5 exio4: r u shibe
17:12 exio4 no
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17:13 shadowzone exio4: r u nazi?
17:13 exio4 lag :/
17:13 exio4 no shadowzone, I am your fuhrer
17:13 shadowzone dammit
17:13 shadowzone exio4, do u play minetest?
17:14 exio4 no, I do not play minetest
17:14 * ElectronLibre remembers he is gonna start a lesson about World War II in January.
17:14 shadowzone PLAY TEH MINETEST!
17:14 exio4 shadowzone, would if I could!
17:14 twoelk actually the venetian doge and the german fuehrer translate to the same meaning - simply leader or guy in front
17:14 shadowzone why can't you?
17:14 exio4 shadowzone, using opensource drivers with a crap gpu
17:15 exio4 and nvidia
17:15 shadowzone oh..
17:15 exio4 would use closed blobs if they were easy to maintain
17:15 shadowzone Mine was a pretty high end gaming PC 7 years ago
17:15 exio4 I have spent all the money in actually useful parts
17:16 shadowzone :/
17:16 exio4 the gpu is just because I didn't have an integrated one and needed a place to plug my screen
17:16 twoelk my current one was a pretty low end pc 5 years ago :-\
17:16 Calinou shadowzone, anti-aliasing is enabled (8×) by default in renders
17:16 Calinou the render when you press F12
17:16 Calinou not the OpenGL render, which isn't what you want usually
17:16 shadowzone hmm
17:17 exio4 twoelk, mine is only mid-end
17:17 twoelk also maybe adjust the light source a little
17:17 exio4 :P but low-end gpu
17:18 shadowzone Okay
17:20 twoelk I have severall machines that were state of art when I built them, then I focused on other stuff and when my dad bought a cheap stuff pc I noticed it was better by then than anything I had built
17:20 twoelk I don't build machines any more 'cause they are outdated when I finish them, I'm to slow :-(
17:21 Calinou hardware doesn't progress as fast as before
17:21 twoelk you have no idea how slow I am :-D
17:23 Calinou my self-built PC is 1.5 years old or so, but has hardware as old as 3 years
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17:25 twoelk most of my pc-cases are 7 years and older. Modern stuff might not fit inside anymore - but they are so beautifully laid out, just can'tz throw them away
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17:27 twoelk my oldest functional machine is from 1993. Haven't started it for a year now because the monitor for it died.
17:28 exio4 I didn't even exist in 1993
17:28 twoelk oops
17:28 exio4 my oldest computer is from 2003 :P
17:30 exio4 over here, 2003, 2010, 2013
17:30 twoelk hm, can't think of any electronic device we have that is older than me
17:30 exio4 I've a 486 next to me, that, well, at least a few years ago, worked
17:31 marktraceur I have an alarm clock that's from...maybe 2002. But that's the best I can do.
17:31 exio4 uhh
17:32 exio4 nothing older?
17:33 marktraceur I don't think so, no.
17:33 marktraceur And I don't use the clock anymore
17:33 * VanessaE looks over at her Commodore 128.. does this count? :)
17:33 marktraceur There might be something older in my storage locker in SF
17:35 twoelk we do plan to get rid of our 35 years old fridge although it is still working very well
17:35 Wayward_One I have an original GameBoy...
17:35 exio4 VanessaE, fatality
17:35 twoelk it is just too expensive in energy consumption
17:37 twoelk ah, clocks, we do have some that are pretty old but those are mechanical and don't count
17:38 marktraceur Wayward_One: Oh, damn, I have a GBA, but I didn't have it until a few years ago.
17:39 twoelk thinking of that I think we have an apple peeler device that runs in the family for some 100 years now
17:39 Megaf redstonecraftpl: you there?
17:39 Megaf I called you on my server but you was standing on the very same place for very long
17:41 * Megaf thinks that redstonecraftpl have an imensily huge lag
17:43 Wayward_One marktraceur: nice!
17:45 redstonecraftpl Megaf: I afk'ed
17:45 redstonecraftpl sry ;)
17:45 Megaf redstonecraftpl: interact given by the way
17:46 redstonecraftpl thx
17:47 Calinou flying pony: https://cdn.mediacru.sh/n/ntiMIwpTpc_y.png
17:49 Calinou there's an animation that removes two of the legs
17:50 Calinou https://cdn.mediacru.sh/A/AkFPLZfduTAW.png
17:52 * twoelk wonders wether he should make a flying toasters mod and wether any of the current players would remember where they came from
17:54 john_minetest There is a minetest server with ponies
17:54 Calinou it has flight
17:54 Calinou if you pick the appropriate pony (pegasus or alicorn), then press Shift + Use
17:54 Calinou you cycle between movement modes
17:54 Calinou Space / Shift to move up / down
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18:07 twoelk http://www.masswerk.at/flyer/flyer.html rise of the undead flying toaster
18:14 Megaf Where is vines from? Minetest Game or other mod?
18:14 VanessaE plantlife modpack contains it.
18:15 Megaf oh, I accidentaly enabled it
18:15 Megaf my map is a mess now
18:15 Megaf I like it tho
18:15 Megaf but they are jaming my tree automated farms
18:15 VanessaE sorry to hear./
18:16 * Calinou sets up MG42
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18:17 VanessaE Megaf: there's three or four vines nodes.  uninstall the mod, alias those nodes to air, done.
18:17 Megaf they grom from leaves and block deployers and prevent trunk from growing when sapling grows
18:18 Megaf but  the woods looks much nicier with vines
18:19 VanessaE I'm sure you can figure out a workaround then
18:20 VanessaE though I could swear I modified that mod to only grow vines on jungle trees
18:36 twoelk dissabling vines shouldn't be the only option. Maybe some growth rate settings in some config might be more fun
18:37 Calinou vines are not buildable_to usually, sadly
18:37 VanessaE both of these issues can be fixed.
18:38 VanessaE one other thing that would help is if the engine had a "hanging node" group similar to attached_node
18:38 twoelk I liked when you could use vines like ropes for constructing high stuff in nofly environments
18:38 VanessaE so that I could auto-cleanup when someone digs away the tree they grew on, etc.
18:38 twoelk yeah bas080 old request
18:39 twoelk btw where did Sokomine's invasionofthevines.mts go?
18:39 * VanessaE shrugs
18:40 * twoelk searches for his copy
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18:46 twoelk oh an updated graph on the http://wiki.minetest.net/Mods page about the most used mods on servers
18:48 twoelk with more than 70 servers and the more popular mods used around on 20 on those it shows that the servers are indeed pretty diverse
18:49 * twoelk wonders wether that sentence makes the sense it was planned for :-D
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18:56 Xack hi Calinou :)
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19:02 Calinou hi Xack
19:20 Jordach hello Sokomine
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19:26 Krock twoelk, Top 10 mods, excluding MTG default mods? ^^
19:27 Calinou top 10 nodes!
19:27 Krock yesss
19:27 Krock that'd be either stone or water
19:27 Krock no wait. It's air
19:27 twoelk I thinks and also not listing individual mods of mesecons or technic
19:28 Calinou air, stone, water, desert sand, sand, grass, desert stone…
19:28 Calinou probably
19:28 Jordach coal ore?
19:28 marktraceur Trees
19:29 Krock I think those materials depend on the server - I doubt moontest has much regular stone
19:29 marktraceur Oh, no, ignore me
19:29 Krock Yeah. A tree node. Node.
19:29 twoelk Krock: also click on the graph to study the different versions over time
19:29 Krock twoelk, yes I saw. bushes_classic disappeared
19:29 marktraceur I'd imagine anything underground would be more common than trees
19:30 sfan5 twoelk: correct, I only list the highest ranked mod of mesecons or worldedit
19:30 twoelk marktraceur: depends on what has been generated
19:31 marktraceur twoelk: True, but on average, I'm sure people have generated more undeground than aboveground
19:31 marktraceur Well...maybe.
19:31 twoelk sfan5: so the overall count of mesecons might be higher?
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19:32 EvergreenTree Wow, I dodn't know half the people here.  Maybe I should come on irc more often.  :P
19:32 EvergreenTree *don't
19:32 EvergreenTree First message in a while and I'm already making typos
19:34 blaise hrmm
19:35 blaise when was minetest-0.4.10 released ?
19:35 Krock EvergreenTree, same thing here. And I'm online every day
19:35 Krock blaise, https://github.com/minetest/minetest/releases
19:36 Krock > 7 Jul
19:36 EvergreenTree It was that long ago?  wow
19:36 Jordach two days to the release
19:36 Jordach man the battlestations
19:36 blaise Krock: danke
19:36 Krock np
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19:36 H-H-H 4.11?
19:36 Krock H-H-H, * 0.4.11
19:37 H-H-H thats what i meant :P
19:37 Krock It willrelease in a few days
19:37 Krock be patient
19:37 H-H-H is there a changelog i can peer at ? :D
19:38 * twoelk wonders what all them plasmascreens on the servers are used for
19:38 * Krock doesn't know if he wants to test 0.2.20110731
19:38 * Krock thinks the same as twoelk
19:38 Jordach [Mine]Test all the things!
19:38 Krock H-H-H, http://dev.minetest.net/Changelog
19:39 VanessaE twoelk, Calinou, Megaf see plantlife git.  your issues should be resolved now.
19:39 VanessaE (re: vines)
19:39 H-H-H ty Krock
19:39 Krock np
19:39 twoelk rewind?
19:40 Krock http://i.imgur.com/g8q5GHV.jpg
19:43 * twoelk has sampled at times wierd shit and gave it to the doctors to study (turned out to be fossilized dino shit, some really old mega shit)
19:43 Krock xD
19:43 Jordach yo dawg i heard you like weird shit
19:44 H-H-H so basially it was Total Sh1t ? :P
19:46 twoelk so be carefull what shit you produce, some scientists might still be studying it after millions of years
19:47 * Megaf hates nvidia
19:47 Megaf I hate nvidia
19:47 Megaf Have I said that I hate nvidia?
19:48 Megaf because of this > https://bbs.archlinux.org/vie​wtopic.php?id=162289&amp;p=1 https://devtalk.nvidia.com/defau​lt/topic/542320/?comment=4055337 https://devtalk.nvidia.com/defa​ult/topic/525772/efi-support-/ http://martys.typepad.com/blog/2012/1​0/kubuntu-macbook-efi-and-nvidia.html
19:48 Megaf In short, nvidia driver crash if you use EFI
19:49 blaise heh
19:50 * Jordach sits there with Legacy mode enabled
19:50 Jordach check and mate
19:50 Calinou “Everyone's using UEFI — and I'm just sitting there using Legacy” —meme
19:50 Megaf VanessaE: well, it still growing on several trees that are no jungle trees
19:50 Megaf not*
19:51 Jordach Calinou, UEFI is good, but the goddamn implementation and MS screwing with it killed it
19:51 Megaf Jordach: on my Toshiba Im using UEFI, and damn, thats quick to boot
19:52 Megaf a couple of seconds from grub to login screen
19:52 Jordach Megaf, would lovingly change, but W7 here dislikes it
19:52 Megaf sorry, I use Debian 8 :)
19:52 Megaf with XFCE
19:52 Megaf that's fast
19:52 Jordach i'd use it if it Optimus actually worked
19:53 Megaf Jordach: hm I think it works now a days, doenst it?
19:53 Megaf I hate this idea of having two GPUs
19:53 Jordach Megaf, dual monitors will be used over here
19:53 Jordach maybe triple if i have the room for it
19:53 Calinou having two GPUs, one integrated and one dedicated, is done for obvious reasons of battery life
19:53 Calinou idle dedicated cards can't compete with idle IGPs in terms of power usage
19:54 Megaf Calinou: Macbook Pro 13" 7,1 mid 2010 with nvidia 320M + Snow Leopard = 13 hours of bettery life with wifi
19:54 Calinou doing nothing?
19:54 Megaf why the fuck do we need a slow intel gpu?
19:54 Calinou because it would then last longer?
19:54 Megaf Calinou: doing nothing is more than 13 hours
19:54 Calinou I don't think a 2010 laptop can last 13 hours
19:55 Calinou measure battery life in practice
19:55 Megaf Calinou: (when new)
19:55 exio4 it can, if you have it suspended
19:55 exio4 also, my UPS + FX (idle)  has about hour and half of battery
19:55 Megaf now a days my Mac lasts only about 6 hours of coninuos work with OS X Yosemite
19:55 exio4 if I use it, about an hour
19:55 VanessaE Megaf: according to the code, that should only happen if there's a jungle tree trunk nearby
19:55 exio4 if I _actually_ use it, 30 minutes
19:55 VanessaE (within 10 meters)
19:56 Megaf 2:30 hours if I use Debian with nouveau driver...
19:56 Megaf VanessaE: you are invited to join my server and see with your own eyes whats happening there
19:56 Megaf !server Megaf
19:56 MinetestBot Megaf: Megaf Server v4.0 | mt.megaf.info:30003 | Clients: 0/10, 1/8 | Version: 0.4.10-dev / MegafXploreNext | Ping: 2ms
19:57 * VanessaE sighs
19:57 exio4 VanessaE, you have an UPS, right?
19:57 VanessaE exio4: two of them.  CP1500PFCLCD and also the 1350 model.
19:58 VanessaE (Cyberpower)
19:58 exio4 what is the .. hmm, autonomy?
19:58 exio4 in idle
20:00 VanessaE eh?
20:01 Krock Megaf, dat ping.
20:02 VanessaE Megaf: hrm.  ok there must be some glitch in the code, but you'll notice the vines on leaves are staying close to water like they're supposed to
20:02 Megaf VanessaE: not really, rejoin please
20:03 exio4 I have a uhh, Hunnox!, UPS, 1200VA/720W, and well, I extrapolated the numbers I pasted before
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20:05 VanessaE OH you mean that
20:06 VanessaE eh, I dunno, maybe 10 mins or so at normal load
20:06 VanessaE but I'm running three computers off of them
20:06 Jordach sfan5, kitten~ https://cdn.mediacru.sh/U/U1mRUkTo1IjH.png
20:06 VanessaE total about 950 watts actual
20:10 Megaf Jordach: Now, that's really cute
20:10 Megaf I want that walking around on my server, as Ocelots do in Minecraft
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20:16 sfan5 Jordach: :3
20:25 Krock Jordach, SWEET
20:26 VanessaE Megaf: fixed in git, and it should cause the excess vines to die off as a side effect also.
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20:26 ElectronLibre I've never seen more cute blender-kitten.
20:26 VanessaE (die off slowly that is)
20:26 VanessaE the kitten looks more like a dog, Jordach.  see "Money for Nothing"
20:27 VanessaE reminds me of the one shown near the beginning of that video
20:27 VanessaE (it still looks good, just saying)
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20:29 kaeza greetings
20:29 VanessaE hey kaeza.
20:30 kaeza happy belated 2000th issue
20:30 VanessaE heh
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20:34 Krock #2000
20:34 Krock ShadowBot!
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20:45 redstonecraftpl Do anyone know channel about Playstation One?
20:46 * ElectronLibre wonders if that kind of thing even exists on freenode.
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20:49 luizrpgluiz because the old monsters and the rats left the minetest in the new versions?
20:51 jin_xi luizrpgluiz: use a mod to add animals in newer version
20:52 luizrpgluiz I wanted to know the reason they had left the new versions, such as rats and onerrik
20:53 jin_xi because change of content system to lua
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21:04 addaitech hrm is there any other documentaion for setting up a server on debian? im getting errors going by the wiki
21:05 redstonecraftpl what errors? :D
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21:06 Jordach VanessaE, puppies usually have taller heads than kittens
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21:06 Jordach i was basing it off of MC's ocelot model and actual kittens, provided by MinetestBot
21:06 shadowzone VanessaE, isis.inchra.net #minetest had a netsplit
21:07 ElectronLibre All the channels had.
21:07 ElectronLibre If there was someone on a spliting server.
21:07 Jordach shadowzone, u wot m8
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21:11 addaitech let me pastebin them
21:11 addaitech http://pastebin.com/PiVm0f3e
21:12 addaitech never set one of these up, was just going by the wiki, maybe i missed a step
21:12 Jordach addaitech, remove worldid
21:12 addaitech ok
21:13 Jordach worldname i meant
21:14 addaitech http://pastebin.com/vH7J2GEM
21:14 addaitech i got ya :P
21:14 addaitech ahh i see
21:14 addaitech 5: Bind failed: Address already in use
21:14 Jordach now search top, htop or a task manager for an existing minetestserver
21:14 Jordach kill them all
21:15 addaitech so i'll have to specify an ipv4
21:15 addaitech or does it always work over v6?
21:15 Jordach addaitech, you don't need to
21:15 Jordach it should auto detect
21:15 Jordach kill any process that is named minetestserver
21:15 addaitech i've got a crap load of ips allocated tho
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21:17 Jordach addaitech, i run a MT server in a Debian VM
21:17 Jordach which is connected directly to the network
21:18 addaitech i can just designate one ip for the server though right?
21:18 addaitech so it doesnt have to go through like the 250+
21:18 Jordach yes
21:18 addaitech setting up game servers is my weakness... i used to be good at this stuff lol
21:19 addaitech wondering if running sid could be causing conflicts as well
21:20 Jordach there's a minetestserver that is running on the port
21:20 Jordach check the goddamned htop, top or task manager and kill any other minetestserver
21:21 luizrpgluiz I am wanting a '' teacher '' who can help me generate my block in normal minetest map
21:21 addaitech i did
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21:22 addaitech i just started one after killing everything and its still binding to 0.0.0.0
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21:23 addaitech blah i didnt edit the config file to the bind thats probably it
21:26 addaitech that would appear to be the problem, testing now
21:27 addaitech there we go, got it up and running
21:27 addaitech Jordach: thanks for the assistance
21:27 Jordach addaitech, at least we don't have a bukkit's worth of community issues
21:28 addaitech :P
21:28 addaitech how can i get added to the public server list, if you happen to know how?
21:29 addaitech lemme check the wiki first
21:29 Jordach i ain't in the mood to turn my VM back on and read my config
21:31 Jordach http://paste.debian.net/137767/
21:31 addaitech i run debian on everything only thing i virtualbox is genymotion
21:31 Jordach replace anything in <> with a text string
21:32 Jordach including the <>
21:32 addaitech ah ok, thanks for the help :)
21:32 Jordach my address points at jordach.minetest.net
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21:33 Jordach ElectronLibre, oh, you're [Mg]. that's something i learned
21:34 ElectronLibre You didn't know it?
21:34 Jordach nopwe
21:34 Jordach just saw the username
21:34 ElectronLibre Mg is my MT-nickname, Magnesium's chemical symbol. But it's a registered username on FreeNode so I've picked my second one.
21:36 ElectronLibre (But I've kept Mg for InchraNet because it was not already registered, and because it's really in connection with Minetest so it would be weird to pick another one).
21:37 ElectronLibre *would have been weird
21:37 Jordach you caught me out for a while on GitHub too
21:39 ElectronLibre While using "LeMagnesium" as my account name (TheMagnesium).
21:41 ElectronLibre (I try to keep a connection with chemistery in my nicknames it's the only way to find out who I am)
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21:51 Jordach ElectronLibre, electron isn't chemistry, it's more of atomic science :)
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21:51 ElectronLibre Yes, let's say I try to stay in the domain of sciences.
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21:56 exio4 what is your codomain ElectronLibre?
21:56 exio4 are you an endomorphism?
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22:01 ElectronLibre_ F**** internet connection -_-
22:04 ElectronLibre_ exio4: Are we talking about functions, or nicknames?
22:04 exio4 about morphisms!
22:05 ElectronLibre I've not get that message I think ._.
22:06 exio4 !g endomorphisms
22:06 MinetestBot exio4: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endomorphism
22:06 exio4 it is a category theory I barely can use
22:06 exio4 but it is basically a morphism with the domain being the same as the codomain
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22:07 exio4 you can think of morphisms are generalization of functions btw
22:08 * ElectronLibre has got such an impression to be flooding the chan with his parts/joins.
22:09 ElectronLibre Next time I'm sure I will be kindly redirected to ##_fir_your_connection -_-
22:09 ElectronLibre *##fix
22:10 exio4 I hate this homebanking page
22:11 exio4 also, it is 100% javascript
22:11 ElectronLibre Anyway, I've got to go.. So.. exio4, if I've got enough connection, I will read the logs, and answer your question next time I join.
22:12 exio4 <3 don't worry
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22:22 ProXavi Hello? Operators for isis #minetest we need your help
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22:25 ProXavi Hello!?
22:26 shadowzone hi ProXavi
22:26 ProXavi Lol
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23:05 Jordach http://youtu.be/HZbq_QMBg6c might speed up the framerate a bit
23:07 twoelk seems like legs coulöd move a little faster
23:07 Jordach was considering that
23:07 twoelk *could
23:07 Jordach they are spaced 24 frames apart :P
23:08 twoelk also one seemed to jump while sitting
23:09 Jordach simple mobs can't handle everything
23:09 Jordach they jump around like kittens
23:09 Jordach that's all that matters
23:10 twoelk so entity movement and shown animation are not related?
23:10 Jordach yes
23:10 Jordach it's the engine not updating the clients fast enough
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23:10 Jordach you can see this with mesh chests i made a while back
23:10 twoelk that explains a lot
23:10 Jordach it desyncs rather easily
23:11 twoelk so doing more detailed movements is pretty useless at the moment :-(
23:12 Jordach my mesh chest has around 10 seconds of shutting time due to UDP lag
23:12 Jordach it originally had 3
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23:15 twoelk I wonder how second life did it. They did have some convincing animations the last time I was on such a server
23:15 Jordach twoelk, client side magic
23:15 Jordach which we don't have
23:16 twoelk don't know , maybe animation sequences could be stored in the chache?
23:17 twoelk eh, media cache
23:17 Jordach think of animations are played back like an audio file
23:17 Jordach it can only be in one place at a time
23:17 Jordach and at a certain speed
23:18 twoelk I'm not really sure about this
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23:20 twoelk I always thought the player mesh is downloaded on connection and it contains all animations
23:20 Jordach it is
23:20 Jordach the animations are played back like a ogg file
23:20 Jordach it has to go left to right, at any speed
23:21 twoelk ok, so if mobs work the same, all that is communicated is the trigger
23:22 Jordach exactly, and said trigger can get lost in transmission
23:22 Jordach meaning that they desync, which is visible in the video
23:23 twoelk poor lost trigger wandering the net
23:24 twoelk ok so the cat got the command to jump but why does that not trigger the right animation on time?
23:24 sfan5 meow
23:24 twoelk sounds legit
23:25 Jordach twoelk, entities may have movement prediction via vectors
23:26 * Jordach considers adding fishing into BFD to make it more suface-worldy instead of undergroundy
23:27 Jordach also, there was once a Minetest Game based BFD prototype which got lost
23:27 twoelk I very much assume animation is somewhat bound to entity movement, so the getting out of sync must come from elsewhere
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23:28 Jordach twoelk, betcha by 1.0 it'll be fixed
23:28 * Jordach sighs
23:29 twoelk we might have to go through some 0.4.111 before that
23:29 proller Jordach, why you call kittens "AI" ?
23:30 Jordach proller, because they're programmically bound
23:30 twoelk fishing cats might be fun as any mob to mob interaction
23:30 Jordach thus artificial intelligence
23:30 jin_xi its fuzzy logic :3
23:30 proller Jordach, no, its full random shit
23:30 Jordach (in fact the random jumping seems to make the kittens alive, might either fix said bug or leave it)
23:30 twoelk don'
23:30 proller doom2 have much better "ai"
23:31 twoelk hear*
23:31 twoelk so proller, any idea how doom2 pulls it of?
23:31 Jordach hm, the jumping appears to be related to the collision box
23:33 proller twoelk, doom have very simple ai, but it looks ok
23:33 Jordach proller, limited to a 2d space extrapolated to a 3d space
23:33 Jordach they only have to manage x and y
23:33 proller it was written 20 years ago
23:34 proller on computers 100x slower than current watch
23:34 addaitech ok there we go got the server up now atleast
23:34 Jordach so you're expecting a fully buildable and destructable world with 1^100000000000000000000000000000000000000000​00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000​000000000000000000000^100000000000000000000 combos to have a speedy AI
23:34 twoelk programs had to be faster in those days because of slow hardware
23:34 proller on current cpus you can make ai acting exactly as human
23:35 Jordach and the video was recorded at a perfect 60FPS
23:35 Jordach http://youtu.be/XqKtijAtox4 twoelk, sped up anims
23:35 proller not in lua of course
23:36 * twoelk has long since thought that mob ai should play in another sandbox than the main game
23:36 twoelk viewing video now
23:36 sfan5 Jordach: <3 kittens
23:37 Jordach sfan5, will be adding a variant of fishing to give the kittens food
23:37 sfan5 :3
23:39 twoelk looks better Jordach
23:39 twoelk now let them out into the open andd catch some mice/rats ;-P
23:40 Jordach twoelk, eventually i can add soul gears, which are extremely rare and have an ultimate usage: turning player statues into living entities
23:41 twoelk pygmalion would be happy
23:41 Jordach oerkkis both drop a Sam II statues and soul gears
23:43 twoelk hm the Pygmalion and Geppetto touch in contrast to Midas and Medusa
23:44 Jordach there is one special case where you can create two different evergreens, one made of stoneflesh while the other is oakflesh
23:44 Jordach twoelk, if someone decides to unfairly kill kittens to find an air sword, then they don't deserve it
23:45 twoelk maybe some bad karma system?
23:45 Jordach twoelk, it's 1/400000
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23:56 kaeza <Jordach> so you're expecting a fully buildable and destructable world with 1^100000000000000000000000000000000000000000​00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000​000000000000000000000^100000000000000000000 combos to have a speedy AI
23:56 kaeza so 1 combination? :P
23:57 kaeza oh, he's dead
23:59 Jordach eh

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