Minetest logo

IRC log for #minetest, 2014-11-27

| Channels | #minetest index | Today | | Google Search | Plaintext

All times shown according to UTC.

Time Nick Message
00:03 LittleJoe joined #minetest
00:03 Tuxedo[Qyou] joined #minetest
00:11 theTroy joined #minetest
00:46 gv1222 joined #minetest
00:49 puppy333 joined #minetest
00:51 jojoa1997 joined #minetest
00:58 Cacatoes joined #minetest
01:00 ImQ009 joined #minetest
01:01 Enke joined #minetest
01:04 tadni joined #minetest
01:05 dhasenan_ joined #minetest
01:14 * Zeno` blinks
01:20 ImQ009 joined #minetest
01:23 * john_minetest blinks back to Zenie
01:24 Wayward_One lol
01:34 Viper168 joined #minetest
01:35 * RealBadAngel yawns
01:41 * jin_xi coughs
01:48 * john_minetest rolls over the floor, eating a whale.
01:50 Zeno` hahah :)
01:51 paramat joined #minetest
02:03 n3mss joined #minetest
02:06 john_cephalopoda joined #minetest
02:19 btoothpick joined #minetest
02:31 Zephlon joined #minetest
02:36 exio4 joined #minetest
02:38 john_minetest left #minetest
02:43 Wayward_One joined #minetest
02:49 btoothpick joined #minetest
02:54 paramat https://cdn.mediacru.sh/2DI875WMR6f2.png testing spiky mountain in riverdev mod
02:55 paramat left #minetest
03:59 galundrux joined #minetest
04:03 AgentFire How do you get a bucket of rubber?
04:04 Megaf_ joined #minetest
04:06 OWNSuAll joined #minetest
04:06 crazyR_ joined #minetest
04:06 jessiebessie joined #minetest
04:10 Artemis3 joined #minetest
04:11 Taoki joined #minetest
04:11 lycide joined #minetest
04:17 domtron joined #minetest
04:21 OldCoder joined #minetest
04:23 Erthome joined #minetest
04:33 domtron_ joined #minetest
04:36 atatsu joined #minetest
04:36 domtron_ joined #minetest
05:05 carlvelleri joined #minetest
05:07 Viper168 joined #minetest
05:09 carlvelleri_ joined #minetest
05:14 jordan4ibanez joined #minetest
05:15 jordan4ibanez Test.
05:15 jordan4ibanez left #minetest
05:18 carlvelleri joined #minetest
05:27 OldCoder Test is best
05:31 sol_invictus joined #minetest
05:59 fling joined #minetest
07:00 paramat joined #minetest
07:01 paramat discussing 'infinite ghetto size' http://www.gizoogle.net/xfer.php?link=http​s://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php%3Ff%1​D5%26t%3D9183%26start%1D50&sa=U&ei​=GsZ2VI6QMcHuaNz_guAP&ved=0CBQQFjAA&am​p;usg=AFQjCNHUhczgGUuZGoX7-o1O75PTHPZ7pw
07:01 paramat left #minetest
07:24 Megaf joined #minetest
07:26 ThatGraemeGuy joined #minetest
07:26 ThatGraemeGuy joined #minetest
07:32 CWz joined #minetest
07:36 Lunatrius joined #minetest
07:51 DFeniks joined #minetest
08:02 Viper168 joined #minetest
08:16 sloantothebone joined #minetest
08:20 MinetestBot [git] SmallJoker -> minetest/minetest: Add minetest.copy_table(table) To get rid off the "table references" 6a43b3a http://git.io/Y__-tg (2014-11-27T18:19:01+10:00)
08:28 Trustable joined #minetest
08:33 Zeno` joined #minetest
08:54 enricom joined #minetest
08:57 Megaf God morning
08:57 Megaf OldCoder: You are never on when DMan is =/
08:58 Megaf Zeno`: Hi, from what mod your mushrooms are?
08:58 Megaf s/God/Good
08:58 crazyR joined #minetest
08:58 Zeno` Megaf, I made them myself
08:59 Megaf cool
08:59 Megaf Zeno`: based on the VanessaE's mushroom?
08:59 Zeno` The texture is based on a photo I took: https://www.flickr.com/phot​os/australimage/7143912911/
09:00 Zeno` Megaf, https://github.com/Zeno-/min​etest_mtz/tree/master/flora
09:00 Megaf Zeno`: I tried making a mushroom with nodebox editor but I failed
09:01 Yepoleb_ joined #minetest
09:01 Megaf Zeno`: your green bright mushroom could be an extension for my Leprechaun tools, they could give Leprechaun Crystal when cooked...
09:01 Zeno` you're welcome to use them
09:02 Zeno` if you keep the texture name the same you'll get HDX support for free
09:02 Akagi201 joined #minetest
09:03 Megaf Zeno`: so, are you into photography?
09:04 * Megaf is
09:04 stormchaser3000 joined #minetest
09:04 stormchaser3000 i have some spam posts to report
09:04 stormchaser3000 https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=3&t=10639
09:05 stormchaser3000 and https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=3&t=10640
09:05 Trustable joined #minetest
09:06 stormchaser3000 VanessaE: ^^
09:07 Zeno` Megaf, sure am :)
09:07 Zeno` Megaf, gcflora/australimage is me
09:13 Megaf cool
09:13 Megaf Zeno`: I am eumegaf
09:13 Megaf I dont remember when I uploaded my mushroom photos
09:14 compunerd joined #minetest
09:15 ImQ009 joined #minetest
09:16 Megaf Zeno`: https://www.flickr.com/photos/megaf/
09:18 aheinecke joined #minetest
09:23 Megaf Zeno`: The mushroom photo was taken by me
09:25 khonkhortisan joined #minetest
09:29 JamesTait joined #minetest
09:32 Megaf !server Megaf
09:32 MinetestBot Megaf: Megaf Server v4.0 | mt.megaf.info:30003 | Clients: 0/10, 0/1 | Version: 0.4.10-dev / MegafXplore | Ping: 2ms
09:33 Megaf !server Onez
09:33 MinetestBot Megaf: Onez' Minetest Server | mtzeno.com | Clients: 0/25, 1/8 | Version: 0.4.10-dev / minetest | Ping: 156ms
09:43 Zeno` nice cluster of shrooms!
09:47 Tiktalik joined #minetest
09:47 Cacatoes joined #minetest
09:49 compunerd joined #minetest
09:50 Tiktalik joined #minetest
09:54 Amaz joined #minetest
09:56 SmugLeaf joined #minetest
09:56 SmugLeaf joined #minetest
10:03 Megaf Zeno`: Thanks :)
10:04 Megaf I actually have a couple of photos of different clusters from the same day
10:07 JamesTai1 joined #minetest
10:09 ImQ009_ joined #minetest
10:09 exio4 joined #minetest
10:10 john_minetest joined #minetest
10:11 deltib joined #minetest
10:20 exio4 joined #minetest
10:24 Tiktalik joined #minetest
10:34 BudderWorrier joined #minetest
10:36 BudderWorrier joined #minetest
10:36 BudderWorrier Hi
10:38 BudderWorrier How is everyone today?
10:39 sol_invictus joined #minetest
10:39 jin_xi joined #minetest
10:44 ImQ009 joined #minetest
10:45 zat joined #minetest
10:51 * Megaf is mad at Budder
10:52 Megaf That's how I am today
10:55 john_minetest Hello btw
10:55 Megaf Hi :)
10:58 john_minetest joined #minetest
10:58 Megaf Hi john_minetest
10:58 Megaf I did some small modifications in your spleef arena
10:58 Megaf and lots of things have changed around of it
10:58 Megaf the city is growing
10:59 Megaf Tahirah and Haiku are building a lot there, and so is daZe and Jessch8281
11:00 H-H-H joined #minetest
11:23 Jordach joined #minetest
11:29 tpe joined #minetest
11:32 crazyR_ joined #minetest
11:45 someguy_irc joined #minetest
11:50 SylvieLorxu joined #minetest
11:59 JamesTait joined #minetest
12:07 someguy_irc_ joined #minetest
12:13 JamesTait joined #minetest
12:13 FR^2 joined #minetest
12:17 btoothpick joined #minetest
12:37 Megaf joined #minetest
13:19 PenguinDad joined #minetest
13:27 OldCoder Megaf, DMan frequently came to see me; he was not middle of the night only
13:28 phantombeta joined #minetest
13:31 stakewinner00 joined #minetest
13:40 jojoa1997 joined #minetest
13:42 Cacatoes joined #minetest
13:44 SoniEx2 how hard is it to stick a different mod API on minetest?
13:45 ThatGraemeGuy uh
13:45 ThatGraemeGuy you mean to support modding in Python or Ruby or whatnot?
13:46 PenguinDad ThatGraemeGuy: expecially in whatnot :P
13:47 ThatGraemeGuy hehe
13:47 ThatGraemeGuy $ ./coolscript.whatnot
13:47 ThatGraemeGuy bash: ./coolscript.whatnot: /usr/bin/whatnot: bad interpreter: No such file or directory
13:47 ThatGraemeGuy oh noes
13:49 theTroy joined #minetest
13:50 Megaf SoniEx2: not too hard actually
13:51 exio4 I bet lang → lua compiler would be easier though
13:51 SoniEx2 meh
13:51 SoniEx2 why can't you just add a C API
13:51 SoniEx2 and make a Lua plugin with that
13:52 ThatGraemeGuy why can't you? It's open source after all
13:52 SoniEx2 because I don't C
13:52 exio4 did you know the core devs have only finite time to spend on minetest?
13:52 ThatGraemeGuy then perhaps you shouldn't be barking orders :)
13:52 exio4 and they don't do it in their jobs, but as a hobby after they did their real work?
13:52 Tux[Qyou] joined #minetest
13:53 SoniEx2 well just take everything related to Lua and stick it in a file somewhere then change it so it doesn't depend on Lua
13:53 exio4 you say it like it was easy
13:54 exio4 and there is some kind of modularity in that sense
13:54 ThatGraemeGuy yeah sounds easy, are you done yet? can we test it? ;-)
13:54 exio4 don't be that way, it is a nice thing
13:54 SoniEx2 it is easy tho
13:54 exio4 but what is kinda sad is that people likes to complain "WHY ISN'T THIS DONE? at this really high-level, it is freaking easy"
13:54 SoniEx2 might be buggy but still easy
13:54 exio4 how is it easy?
13:55 Thenextlevel joined #minetest
13:55 SoniEx2 it's just about changing the luaL_checkwhatever into arguments(?)
13:55 john_minetest joined #minetest
13:55 SoniEx2 then doing a .so that bridges the API and Lua
13:56 exio4 luaL_checkwhatever it the lesser of your problems, different scripting "engines" have different ways to manage parameters, for saying one thing, you would need to abstract that
13:56 SoniEx2 use C
13:56 SoniEx2 the bridges take care of that
13:57 exio4 SoniEx2: there is some kind of abstraction
13:57 exio4 in the actual codebase
13:57 SoniEx2 there's a hexchat python plugin, lua plugin, perl plugin, and I think even java plugins
13:58 SoniEx2 no abstraction
13:58 SoniEx2 just "stick a C API and let the bridges shoot themselves on the foot"
13:58 ThatGraemeGuy I'm confused, you say you don't know C and yet you seem to have this all figured out
13:58 SoniEx2 ThatGraemeGuy, I said I don't C
13:59 Zeno` bridges?
13:59 exio4 python/lua/perl engines are over the C layer, they're abstractions over a common abstractions
13:59 exio4 Zeno`: the guns, the wall
13:59 exio4 Zeno`: winter is coming
13:59 Thenextlevel left #minetest
13:59 exio4 something something something
14:00 SoniEx2 Zeno`, C<->Lua, C<->Java, Minetest<->IRC, etc
14:00 exio4 the "<->" looks simple
14:00 exio4 it is painfully hard to do right
14:00 SoniEx2 yeah that's why you can crash the hexchat python plugin
14:00 SoniEx2 but that's not the API's fault
14:01 exio4 it is an insane work, based on the fact that APIs need to be mantained alone
14:02 SoniEx2 well ok
14:02 SoniEx2 so anyone wanna help me with code design?
14:02 Zeno` SoniEx2> how hard is it to stick a different mod API on minetest?       <--- pretty hard
14:02 exio4 it is like saying "I have a car, why can't it be a truck? just let them be vehicles!"
14:03 exio4 it is really easy, you just have a chassis, and then the engine and then...
14:03 Zeno` I'd love a C API/ABI, but it's not as easy as you seem to think
14:03 SoniEx2 Zeno`, what about PIC?
14:03 ecutruin joined #minetest
14:04 Zeno` what about it?
14:04 SoniEx2 gcc -fPIC <stuff> minetest.so or w/e
14:05 exio4 what you are saying is basically rewriting minetest
14:05 exio4 well, not rewrite all of it
14:05 exio4 but at least 50%~ of it, I guess
14:06 Zeno` I will say that this is something I have been thinking about, but (really) it's not easy at all
14:06 exio4 who here didn't think about it?
14:06 SoniEx2 it is easy
14:06 Zeno` exio4, I dunno :) I started to implement it though
14:06 exio4 my argument still stands, those things are hard to get "right", and switching from a working thing, to a bad-designed thing
14:07 Zeno` SoniEx2, it's not
14:07 SoniEx2 considering I rewrite my code more than I write new code, it is easy
14:07 SoniEx2 (about 10 times more in case you're wondering)
14:07 Zeno` SoniEx2, write it and make a pull request then
14:07 SoniEx2 but I don't like doing C
14:08 Zeno` I thought you said it was easy
14:08 ThatGraemeGuy perhaps you should stop saying its easy and start coding
14:08 SoniEx2 if anything I'll write it in LuaJIT (FFI)
14:08 ThatGraemeGuy and if you can't then the whole thing becomes a bit pointless
14:08 exio4 how big are the things you work with?
14:08 exio4 isn't minetest like a.. kinda big in terms of code?
14:09 LittleJoe joined #minetest
14:09 exio4 a/like a/like/
14:09 SoniEx2 meh
14:09 Zeno` exio4, it's not that big but my last two refactors changed about 6000 line
14:09 exio4 I also rewrite my small <500LOC programs more than once
14:09 exio4 Zeno`: it is kinda big compared to "the average single-person hobby project"
14:09 Zeno` exio4, yeah
14:10 SoniEx2 I rewrite my whole github repos every now and then
14:10 exio4 how many LOC?
14:10 raffahacks joined #minetest
14:11 Zeno` 500 LOC I could write in a few hours (or less, depending on what I want to do)
14:11 Zeno` and this C API/ABI thing is no where near that simple
14:11 SoniEx2 some of them have 500 LOC, others have a few thousand (or at least had - yay abstractions and refactoring)
14:12 exio4 I can write 3000 LOC in a hour too
14:12 Zeno` anything less than 20000 LOC is not really complicated
14:12 exio4 the thing is keeping the problem in mind and the _design_ of the implementation
14:12 Jousway joined #minetest
14:13 exio4 if you know what you exactly are mean to code
14:13 Zeno` if designed correctly anything < 100K lines is probably not complicated either
14:13 exio4 you said the words
14:13 exio4 designed correctly
14:13 SoniEx2 so you're saying minetest is poorly designed?
14:13 Zeno` me? No
14:13 SoniEx2 then why don't we toss the codebase and start fresh?
14:14 proller minetest is not designed
14:14 exio4 you seem to have a lot of free time
14:14 Zeno` although there are some things in it that I disagree strongly with
14:15 Zeno` SoniEx2, you may start afresh :) Nothing stopping you...
14:15 SoniEx2 well there's minetest not taking my PRs
14:15 SoniEx2 I'd say they'd probably hate them
14:16 Zeno` what PRs?
14:16 proller if you want something more designed - look to https://github.com/Nocte-/hexahedra
14:16 SoniEx2 pull requests
14:17 Zeno` Generally you have to almost fight to get a PR merged
14:17 Zeno` I know what a PR is... show me one of yours
14:18 Zeno` And I'll look at it
14:18 Zeno` it/them
14:19 galundrux joined #minetest
14:19 proller pain and humiliation before every merge ;)
14:19 Zeno` yeah, it adds to the fun!
14:20 proller but only in first week
14:20 Zeno` But, SoniEx2, seriously... I will look at your PRs
14:21 Zeno` All the devs do... they don't ignore them for no reason (mostly)
14:23 galundrux Does anybody here have some experience running a server? I've had my server up for about 5 hours now and it seems relativly popular. But I'm wondering about ways to reduce lag?
14:24 proller galundrux, try freeminer ;)
14:25 galundrux Okay, I'll have a look at what that is, thanks :)
14:26 exio4 it is a differet game, and proller is their marketing director
14:27 galundrux That seems to be windows only, I run a debian server so thats not an option anyway
14:27 proller yes, lag is very different
14:28 AgentFire joined #minetest
14:28 galundrux Does make much diffrence if I change the textures from 512 to 256?
14:28 ThatGraemeGuy for the server? no
14:28 ThatGraemeGuy textures affect client-side rendering
14:29 galundrux Hmm, thats what I thought
14:29 ThatGraemeGuy are you having lag or just low fps? they aren't the same thing
14:30 Zeno` SoniEx2?
14:30 galundrux It seems fine to me, but some people were complaining about lag, and I noticed the world showing up slower the more peoplle came on, ping is currently at 37.2
14:30 Zeno` 37.2??
14:31 cg72 joined #minetest
14:31 ThatGraemeGuy I've run a server on a lowly VM without lag problems
14:31 Zeno` galundrux, where is the server?
14:31 galundrux yeah, it's the second one on this list http://servers.minetest.net/
14:31 ThatGraemeGuy granted only 8 or 9 people played on it
14:31 proller ThatGraemeGuy, you have 0 players?
14:31 Zeno` I mean, how can I connect to it
14:31 galundrux In norway
14:31 cg72 joined #minetest
14:31 cg72 left #minetest
14:31 ThatGraemeGuy proller: eh?
14:32 SoniEx2 Zeno`, busy
14:32 galundrux I havenæt really set it up yet, just testing. but you should be able to log in with either the IP or by useing hexagon.hexagonsix.com port 30000
14:33 Taoki galundrux: The networking protocol is very basic and unoptimized. Minetest will always lag in multiplayer
14:33 Taoki So much that I don't even consider it actually playable online any more...
14:33 galundrux it's the second one in the list with no decription 79.161.91.136
14:34 Taoki The networking code needs to be heavily rewritten it seems. And something like enet implemented
14:34 galundrux oh, okay, that kinda sucks...
14:34 Taoki yeah
14:35 galundrux Whats it useing? I read somewhere it was built from scratch, but maybe it would be possible to use code from the ogre3d project if thats better, just a thought
14:35 proller enet already done in current freeminer ;)
14:36 SoniEx2 left #minetest
14:36 Taoki Yep. While apparently no one bothers to simply port that code to mainstream Minetest :/ I imagine some compatibility / protocol issues could be solved
14:36 galundrux release it opensource for linux then ;)
14:36 * Taoki tried Freeminer, but it's very laggy and unstable and crashy in return
14:37 Taoki Even without weather and dynamic fluid
14:37 Taoki Moreso with
14:37 proller something already fixed
14:37 Taoki ok. Was about a month ago I think
14:37 Taoki Also eats a lot of RAM. Seemingly with VBO disabled as well
14:38 jin_xi needs more resources for sure
14:38 jin_xi my crappy old notebook can not handle fm well
14:38 proller it much better for dedicated server
14:41 compunerd joined #minetest
14:42 galundrux Well, if you both got advantages and disadvantages why dosen't the two projects just merge?
14:42 jin_xi fm is fork
14:44 phantombeta_ joined #minetest
14:45 Zeno` Fm uses c++11
14:45 Zeno` which is not acceptable for MT at this time
14:45 Zeno` So they can't really be merged
14:46 galundrux ah, okay
14:46 Zeno` Also, FM is GPL and MT is LGPL
14:46 exio4 why that change though
14:46 exio4 trolling I bet
14:47 Zeno` exio4, no idea. But clause 3 of the LGPL allows re-licensing under GPL so it must have been a decision proller made
14:48 Zeno` Which is fine
14:52 Enke joined #minetest
14:52 NANOsoldierEnke joined #minetest
15:00 raffahacks left #minetest
15:04 enricom joined #minetest
15:05 Amaz Spam user: https://forum.minetest.net/memberli​st.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=12020
15:07 psedlak joined #minetest
15:08 kaeza joined #minetest
15:12 dhasenan_ joined #minetest
15:14 kaeza greetings
15:16 twoelk joined #minetest
15:36 VanessaE hi
15:40 nejni-marji joined #minetest
15:46 OldCoder VanessaE, kaeza Hi back
15:47 OldCoder Silvercrab is not appearing recently on the active server list. This does not seem to be due to curl timeout. Is there a known explanation?
15:48 VanessaE the list server itself is borked
15:48 VanessaE has been for a while
15:48 exio4 oh look, it is a kaeza
15:49 exio4 also hi VanessaE
15:49 fireglow joined #minetest
15:52 Zeno` joined #minetest
15:55 nejni-marji I want to add a localization to Minetest, can you tell me how to go about that?
15:56 mitrom joined #minetest
15:56 mitrom Hi
15:56 twoelk nejni-marji: do you mean this? http://dev.minetest.net/Translation
15:58 nejni-marji Yes, I think so.
15:59 twoelk eh?, bad gateway? is weblate broken?
16:01 nejni-marji Seems so.
16:03 nejni-marji Hm... Is there a way to force an alternative language?
16:04 SylvieLorxu joined #minetest
16:04 luizrpgluiz joined #minetest
16:04 luizrpgluiz hi
16:06 john_minetest hi
16:06 Wuzzy joined #minetest
16:07 CraigyDavi joined #minetest
16:09 * kaeza hugs an exio4
16:09 exio4 aww
16:09 mitrom Awww
16:09 * PenguinDad hugs mitrom
16:10 * mitrom holds PenguinDad firmly
16:10 mitrom But gently
16:10 exio4 free hugs for everyone
16:10 kaeza nejni-marji, which OS? under *nix, it's usually by setting the `LANGUAGE` environment variable
16:11 mitrom Yay
16:11 * jin_xi shrugs
16:11 mitrom LANG
16:11 kaeza or LANG
16:11 kaeza D:
16:11 Viper168 joined #minetest
16:11 mitrom Ya
16:11 mitrom Cat /etc/locale.gen | grep lol
16:11 mitrom S/lol/uk
16:11 exio4 useless use of cat
16:11 mitrom Or whatever
16:11 mitrom Why
16:12 cg72 joined #minetest
16:12 exio4 grep "whatever" /etc/locale.gen
16:12 mitrom Yes grep does that
16:12 kaeza Cat: command not found
16:12 mitrom But eh
16:12 mitrom Old habits die hard
16:12 mitrom Try rabbit
16:12 nejni-marji kaeza: I'm running Windows, sadly, since I'm borrowing a computer.
16:12 mitrom Then its simple
16:12 exio4 I think it works too
16:12 kaeza nejni-marji, ah
16:13 mitrom Do then a favour and get linux
16:13 mitrom Control Panel or something
16:13 cg72 left #minetest
16:14 mitrom I might learn gaskell
16:14 mitrom Or skythob
16:14 * mitrom gives up
16:14 exio4 gaskell?
16:14 nejni-marji Yeah, but the person whose computer I'm borrowing doesn't want Linux and probably couldn't use it, either, especially since I'd use Arch.
16:14 exio4 install debian
16:14 mitrom Ah the good arcg
16:14 mitrom Ubuntu rofl
16:15 exio4 >good arch
16:15 exio4 mfw
16:15 mitrom Win vs linux == ubuntu vs arch
16:15 kaeza gaskell!
16:15 NemoMT joined #minetest
16:15 nejni-marji Exactly.
16:15 mitrom Gaskell is a thing now
16:15 mitrom Hasperl
16:15 nejni-marji Is Gaskell some weird fork of Haskell?
16:15 AgentFire Happy Thanksgiving Nemo!
16:15 mitrom Hasperlythonua
16:16 exio4 you know Haskell nejni-marji? :D
16:16 mitrom Exio4 does
16:16 mitrom Hacker
16:16 nejni-marji I know _of_ it. Never used it, though.
16:16 mitrom Looks hard
16:16 exio4 it isn't
16:16 nejni-marji Maybe if I learn Haskell, then I'll be able to actually make xmonad do things.
16:17 exio4 it is different, and if you are used to learn languages and only learn new syntax, nope
16:17 mitrom Yep
16:17 nejni-marji Haskell has lazy variable something or other in it.
16:18 exio4 "lazy variable something"?
16:18 exio4 nah, it is a lazy language by that
16:18 theTroy joined #minetest
16:18 exio4 let x = a in b, won't evaluate x
16:18 kaeza a lazy language for lazy people
16:18 kaeza exio4, get off your lazy ass and learn C!
16:18 exio4 I know enough C
16:18 kaeza ALL HAIL C!
16:18 exio4 IPoIRC!
16:19 mitrom Very different
16:19 mitrom Banks still use cobol...
16:19 mitrom Invented by a grass hopper
16:19 exio4 kaeza: the report actually says non-strict
16:20 mitrom joined #minetest
16:20 mitrom joined #minetest
16:21 twoelk nejni-marji: have you allready studied the minetest.conf.example? The language section is at the very end
16:21 nejni-marji Oh, no.
16:22 OldCoder Should I run a server list?
16:22 * OldCoder is resting
16:23 AgentFire Happy Thanksgiving OldCoder
16:24 kaeza we need a master server master server list list
16:24 stakewinner00 joined #minetest
16:24 kaeza or something like that :P
16:25 kaeza mai engrish iz gud
16:25 exio4 yeah, just mine like
16:25 jin_xi muy mejor que mi espagnol
16:26 nejni-marji No, we both need a master server master server list list, because then we have to make a master server master server master server list list list.
16:27 Calinou joined #minetest
16:28 PenguinDad function a() b() end; function b() a() end; a() -- The master server master server master server list list list problem :P
16:29 exio4 that sounds too verbose
16:29 exio4 let a = b; b = a in a
16:30 kaeza PenguinDad, fun fact: function a() return b() end; function b() return a() end; a() -- this will overflow the stack
16:30 kaeza never overflow*
16:31 exio4 tail calls aren't fun facts
16:31 kaeza you are not too fun :<
16:31 PenguinDad kaeza: I know rhat
16:32 PenguinDad *that
16:32 kaeza rat
16:32 exio4 mutual recursion is l33t
16:32 exio4 > let xs = 1:ys; ys = 2:xs in take 20 xs
16:32 exio4 [1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2]
16:33 rubenwardy joined #minetest
16:36 rubenwardy Hi all!
16:36 exio4 hi!
16:39 fireglow left #minetest
16:48 luizrpgluiz someone speaks Spanish?
16:48 exio4 luizrpgluiz: yes, why?
16:49 luizrpgluiz I wanted a little help to create my mod
16:49 Calinou ##minetest-es
16:51 Amaz Why is that ## when the other ones are just # ?
16:51 exio4 left #minetest
16:51 exio4 joined #minetest
16:51 Calinou because kaeza made it so
16:51 exio4 it wasn't official when it started
16:51 Amaz Ah okay.
16:55 mitrom joined #minetest
16:55 mitrom Mornin
16:55 mitrom Let's play screenfetch
16:56 kaeza #minetest-es is owned by KikaRz, but haven't seen her around lately, and can't bother to ask FN staff to transfer ownership
16:56 mitrom http://pastie.org/9747184
16:56 mitrom It'd be plain rude to just steal the channel from her
16:57 hmmmm joined #minetest
16:57 kaeza !seen kikarz
16:57 MinetestBot kaeza: kikarz was last seen at 2014-11-10 20:05:57 UTC on #minetest
16:57 kaeza well, a month ago...
16:58 mitrom What does the other bot do?
16:58 mitrom .seen sfan5
16:58 PenguinDad ~seen mitrom
16:58 ShadowBot PenguinDad: I saw mitrom in #minetest 14 seconds ago saying ".seen sfan5"
16:58 PenguinDad wow
16:58 mitrom I saw mitrom then too
16:58 mitrom We have so much in common ShadowBot
17:00 exio4 lol
17:01 exio4 kaeza: memoserv to the rescue
17:01 mitrom PornServ FTW
17:04 mitrom so i went up to the till at macdonalds and asked if they take bitcoin
17:04 exio4 "what is bitcoin?"
17:04 mitrom Not funny if the dumb people don't know what it is.
17:04 mitrom Yup
17:04 mitrom You gessed
17:06 jin_xi so who is stupi, the guy who goes to McD with crypto or the cashier not taking it?
17:07 mitrom the cashier is clearly the stupi one
17:08 kobold joined #minetest
17:08 kobold Hello
17:13 * sfan5 meows at mitrom
17:13 mitrom yay
17:14 MinetestForFun joined #minetest
17:14 mitrom I accidentally bricked my PC by throwing it out of the window
17:15 mitrom Still works
17:15 mitrom Only it has a different function now
17:15 exio4 I wouldn't throw my expensive computer out of the window
17:15 mitrom Neither would I
17:15 nejni-marji You transmorgrified it into an expensive paperweight.
17:15 exio4 I think I have spent like 12-17k ARS on it
17:17 aheinecke joined #minetest
17:19 mitrom I think we should be able to buy TLDs
17:19 mitrom And domains would be subdomains
17:19 mitrom I'll take mitrom
17:19 mitrom mitrom.mitrom =P
17:33 gravgun joined #minetest
17:33 CoconutOfDeath joined #minetest
17:33 luizrpgluiz left #minetest
17:35 nejni-marji Is the fact that torches persist underwater a bug or a feature?
17:36 Jordach 0bug m9
17:37 exio4 both
17:38 PenguinDad A buggy feature :P
17:38 proller "solved in freeminer" (tm)  ;)
17:39 exio4 proller: "solved in freeminer"™ *
17:41 twoelk if you want to build underwater consider it a feature
17:41 nejni-marji Gkq; a ydakfod ks md kjdle
17:42 * nejni-marji switches on Dvorak
17:42 nejni-marji It's a feature to me.
17:48 kaeza it is trivial to implement that with an ABM
17:50 aheinecke joined #minetest
17:52 NakedFury joined #minetest
17:56 ElectronLibre joined #minetest
18:05 Krock joined #minetest
18:05 Krock !c 25 / 1
18:05 MinetestBot 25.0
18:06 Krock !c 25 / ( 1 + 9 )
18:06 MinetestBot 2.5
18:06 Krock meow.
18:06 Calinou !c 25 ^ -2
18:06 MinetestBot -25
18:06 ventrillov joined #minetest
18:07 PenguinDad !c 3 / 9
18:07 MinetestBot 0.3333333333333333
18:08 exio4 !c ((-25) ** (1/3))**(pi/e)
18:08 MinetestBot NameError: name 'pi' is not defined
18:08 exio4 !c ((-25) ** (1/4))**(3.14151/e)
18:08 MinetestBot NameError: name 'e' is not defined
18:08 kaeza you fail
18:08 exio4 !c ((-25) ** (1/4))**(math.pi/math.e)
18:08 MinetestBot (1.5601858745237822+1.997502331483938j)
18:08 exio4 FINALLY
18:13 rubenwardy joined #minetest
18:14 * AgentFire dresses MinetestBot up like a turkey
18:15 AgentFire Dig in guys!
18:22 Robert_Zenz joined #minetest
18:24 Hobodium joined #minetest
18:27 sloantothebone joined #minetest
18:36 ThatGraemeGuy joined #minetest
18:36 ThatGraemeGuy joined #minetest
18:42 nejni-marji Does the depth of a Minetest world ever end?
18:42 Amaz -31000 or so :)
18:42 VanessaE it ends at -30927 or some such
18:44 nejni-marji wow
18:45 exio4 unless you are very very bored, it doesn't end :D
18:45 * Amaz has a friend who must be very very bored.
18:45 Amaz He is trying to dig to the bottom of his world :D
18:46 nejni-marji Because noclip would be cheating?
18:46 Amaz He just wants to get to the bottom by digging.
18:46 nejni-marji Heh.
18:46 kaeza !c (lambda x,f=(lambda x, f:(chr(int(x[:2],16))+f(x[2:],f))if(x)else""):f(x,​f))("492063616E20636F756E7420746F20706F7461746F")
18:46 MinetestBot 'I can count to potato'
18:47 nejni-marji http://xkcd.com/861/
18:48 ElectronLibre_ joined #minetest
18:49 nejni-marji I should make a mod to add shift-click in inventories.
18:50 Amaz What do you mean?
18:50 nejni-marji shift-click on an item to automatically move it to a different inventory
18:50 Amaz Right.
18:50 nejni-marji shift click your charcoal to put it in your furnace etc
18:51 Amaz Think I've seen that in some MC let's plays...
18:51 nejni-marji *coal
18:51 nejni-marji yeah
18:51 Amaz But I think a c++ engine patch might work better than a mod.
18:51 Amaz This may have something that might help you: https://github.com/minetes​t/minetest/pull/1707/files
18:52 Amaz But, imo, that would be an awesome patch.
18:52 nejni-marji But then I'd have to learn C++
18:52 nejni-marji tfr
18:52 nejni-marji yup*
18:52 Amaz Yeah... But I think Lua may be to inefficient for something like that however...
18:53 Amaz -however
18:53 kaeza well, I'm pretty sure you can't do "shift click stack move" or whatever via Lua
18:53 Amaz Or just impossible :P
18:53 nejni-marji A patch to add a shift-click functionality would probably be better in the core code to begin with.
18:54 exio4 !c (lambda f: (lambda x: x(x))(lambda y: f(lambda *args: y(y)(*args))))(lambda f: lambda n: (1 if n<2 else n*f(n-1)))(5)
18:54 MinetestBot 120
18:55 nejni-marji What's more important would be a patch that let's me use ; and ' as keybinds.
18:56 nejni-marji I think that may just be a change of taking the text name of a key and using a scancode instead.
18:56 kaeza you'd also need a way to tell the client which kind of stack goes where, which could be a bit messy
18:57 nejni-marji only for furnaces, though.
18:58 nejni-marji So you could just tell it if the stack = {coal,wood,etc} then put it in the bottom slot.
18:58 Calinou <nejni-marji> I should make a mod to add shift-click in inventories.
18:58 Calinou this is done in C++, not Lua
18:59 Amaz Calinou, we've just discussed that ;)
18:59 nejni-marji Yeah, that occured to me.
18:59 Calinou I saw it, just confirming
18:59 Amaz Okay.
19:00 kaeza this kind of thing would be one of the things better suited for client-side Lua
19:00 kaeza if that is ever done :>
19:00 Calinou making a C++ patch for this is doable, but not trivial
19:00 Calinou kaeza, if we want good security, then client-side Lua should be installed by players by hand
19:01 Calinou and never downloaded and run from server
19:01 Calinou ie. players choose their client-side mods
19:01 Amaz What do you think the chances of client-side lua becoming a reality are kaeza?
19:01 Calinou it could be… change crosshair colour based on health, change FOV based on speed, and so on
19:01 kaeza Calinou, indeed; sort of providing two versions of mod, one for server, one for client
19:01 Calinou you could still do a lot of things with client-side Lua done that way
19:01 Calinou but not made for interacting with specific mods
19:01 kaeza the client one would be most of the time rather simple
19:02 Calinou (or if it does, it's to enhance experience, it should not be a requirement)
19:02 nejni-marji serverside one is the lua code, clientside is a way to toggle it on/off?
19:02 nejni-marji yeah, to enhance experience.
19:03 nejni-marji wait, is FOV an option ingame as of now or no?
19:03 kaeza Amaz, it first needs to be developed. it would basically be the same as when MT implemented server-side Lua for the first time
19:04 Amaz Do you think that will ever happen? Is there enough interest>
19:05 kaeza nejni-marji, it kinda is; it can be changed via the config file (and singleplayer), but not at runtime in multiplayer
19:05 nejni-marji cool.
19:05 Calinou fov = 72
19:05 Calinou is the default
19:05 kaeza `fov = 180` in `minetest.conf`
19:05 Calinou you can change it in singleplayer games while playing
19:05 Calinou kaeza, the cap is 10-170
19:06 Calinou /set -n fov 90
19:06 kaeza ninjas everywhere
19:06 Calinou like max FPS
19:06 Calinou you can change them while playing thanks to /set
19:06 Calinou but that's only for local games
19:06 nejni-marji cool
19:06 Amaz What does the -n do in the /set?
19:06 Calinou create setting if it doesn't exist
19:06 exio4 it always exist, as far as I know
19:07 Amaz Ah, okay.
19:07 Calinou anyone wants to play chess?
19:07 nejni-marji fov 180 is a challenge.
19:07 kaeza <Amaz> Do you think that will ever happen? [...]
19:08 kaeza of course! the universe still has AFAIK a few billion years to live
19:08 Amaz XD
19:08 kaeza that should be enough time
19:09 exio4 I don't think they are enough
19:09 nejni-marji Chess is too simple. The only winning move is not to play. How about a nice game of Global Thermonuclear War?
19:09 Matrixiumn joined #minetest
19:09 Calinou FOV >= 180 is impossible, except in fisheye
19:10 nejni-marji fisheye?
19:10 * ElectronLibre just tried fov = 180, it's horrible.
19:11 PenguinDad fov = 360 must be fun :P
19:11 ElectronLibre *Unplayable.
19:11 nejni-marji Is there a way to set key configurations to use scancodes, because it won't let me use `'` or `;`, which is annoying as a Dvorak user.
19:11 ElectronLibre And painful for eyes ._.
19:12 Calinou http://strlen.com/gfxengine​/fisheyequake/compare.html
19:13 john_minetest joined #minetest
19:13 john_minetest Megaf: Hey, can you grant a friend of mine interact on your server?
19:14 Matrixiumn joined #minetest
19:14 Calinou fov = 360 is possible in fisheye
19:14 nejni-marji Fisheye is cray-cray.
19:15 dvere joined #minetest
19:15 exio4 !c (lambda f: (lambda x: x(x))(lambda y: f(lambda *args: y(y)(*args))))(lambda f: lambda n: (2 if n4♥ else n*f(n-1)))(999)
19:15 MinetestBot SyntaxError: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)
19:15 exio4 damn
19:15 exio4 !c (lambda f: (lambda x: x(x))(lambda y: f(lambda *args: y(y)(*args))))(lambda f: lambda n: (2 if n<3 else n*f(n-1)))(999)
19:15 MinetestBot RuntimeError: maximum recursion depth exceeded in comparison
19:15 exio4 !c (lambda f: (lambda x: x(x))(lambda y: f(lambda *args: y(y)(*args))))(lambda f: lambda n: (2 if n<3 else n*f(n-1)))(998)
19:15 MinetestBot RuntimeError: maximum recursion depth exceeded in comparison
19:16 exio4 !c (lambda f: (lambda x: x(x))(lambda y: f(lambda *args: y(y)(*args))))(lambda f: lambda n: (2 if n<3 else n*f(n-1)))(300)
19:16 MinetestBot 306057512216440636035370461297268629388588804173​576999416776741259476533176716867465515291422477​573349939147888701726368864263907759003154226842​927906974559841225476930271954604008012215776252​176854255965356903506788725264321896264299365204​576448830388909753943489625436053225980776521270​822437639449120128678675368305712293681943649956​460498166450227716500185176546469340112226034729​72406633325858350687015016979416885035375213755
19:16 exio4 cool
19:16 PilzAdam joined #minetest
19:17 ElectronLibre The only way to play correctly with fov = 360 is to reverse your screen, enable noclip and fly, and to walk in the nodes.. ._.
19:18 john_minetest Megaf: ?
19:18 nejni-marji What are the nodes?
19:19 ElectronLibre nodes = blocks, air, flowers, etc..
19:19 nejni-marji oh, right.
19:20 exio4 !c (lambda f: (lambda x: x(x))(lambda y: f(lambda *args: y(y)(*args))))
19:20 MinetestBot <function <lambda> at 0x7f607db99378>
19:20 exio4 sfan5: would it be possible to get a "fix" function defined using this?
19:21 jin_xi or just get rid of !c and kindly use your own shell?
19:26 nejni-marji Is there a way to bind a console command to a key?
19:27 Calinou no :'(
19:27 Calinou would be grea
19:27 Calinou +t
19:30 nejni-marji you could make a workaround with autohotkey/xkeybind
19:30 nejni-marji in theory
19:30 exio4 or just hack the code
19:31 exio4 I have to study for the finals
19:31 exio4 lets better spend that time in Minetest
19:31 nejni-marji heh
19:31 exio4 I haven't looked at the code for a while
19:32 NemoMT joined #minetest
19:32 exio4 actually, I need my psu :/
19:32 exio4 compiling here took like 40 minutes the last I tried
19:34 ElectronLibre_ joined #minetest
19:36 kaeza wasn't there a pull that bound commands to keys?
19:36 exio4 ;_;
19:36 exio4 I want to waste my time in something that is actually productive
19:36 Calinou xdotool, nejni-marji
19:37 Calinou “xdotool type” is useful
19:37 nejni-marji That's what I was trying to think of and couldn't remember.
19:37 nejni-marji I have a friend hooked his computer up to have xdotool and ssh
19:37 nejni-marji at the same time, you can do pretty much anything.
19:38 kaeza nejni-marji, https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/1217
19:39 exio4 :(
19:40 Calinou how about we re-add this code by hand?
19:40 Calinou not guaranteed to work :(
19:40 nejni-marji Sorry, never used GitHub before. What exactly does this mean?
19:40 Calinou due to the big mass of internal code changes
19:40 Calinou a pull request means “Hi, I have code, please merge it”
19:40 Calinou https://github.com/spillz/minetest/commit​/403794e3c31ee2df86cae1a3142d539c4c10f2bf
19:40 nejni-marji Oh, okay.
19:40 Calinou this is a commit diff, where you see the difference between old and new
19:40 Calinou + is added lines, - is removed lines
19:40 stakewinner00 joined #minetest
19:40 nejni-marji and this code in particular won't/doesn't work?
19:41 Calinou internals of the engine have likely changed a lot in 7 months!
19:41 Calinou so pasting the code as-is is unlikely to work
19:41 nejni-marji oh, april 2014.
19:41 nejni-marji I see.
19:41 nejni-marji yeah
19:42 nejni-marji but one could change it to make it work if they knew how to code C++.
19:42 Calinou whee! my commit was added
19:42 nejni-marji Which probably isn't hard.
19:42 nejni-marji Oh?
19:42 Calinou step smoothing was increased
19:42 Calinou https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commi​t/1c9f05d792562374046e74ad3eb75988d529b15c
19:51 compunerd joined #minetest
19:55 ThatGraemeGuy I'm not sure exactly which recent commit/s did it, but it seems the hideously low FPS that was typical of the swapn area on VanessaE's survival server is gone
19:56 ThatGraemeGuy previously I'd get around 10 or even down to 4 fps in that region, and I noticed earlier it was sticking to a solid 30 fps
19:57 ThatGraemeGuy solid for my modest laptop. by comparison away from that area I get aroun 40-45 fps
19:57 RealBadAngel ThatGraemeGuy, that issue is a) selections b) signs
19:57 RealBadAngel its gonna be solved soon
19:58 Megaf ThatGraemeGuy: YOu believe it was something that was done on the client side then
19:58 Megaf for me still slow
19:58 Megaf whell I dont know
19:58 RealBadAngel for sure i wont let 0.4.11 out without fixing that
19:59 RealBadAngel disable hud, fancy trees etc and try to break fps records
19:59 RealBadAngel its like 1500 fps by now :)
19:59 ThatGraemeGuy Megaf: all I know is its much improved for me, I won't go as far as to say its fixed as such, I don't have nearly enough information to make a claim like that
19:59 Megaf RealBadAngel: Would it be asking too much for you to join my server and have a look at spawn?
20:00 ThatGraemeGuy I'm not even sure when it changed, I only noticed it now
20:00 Megaf I'd like some help on trying to figure out how I can improve the FPS there, please
20:00 RealBadAngel Megaf, i know the problem
20:00 Megaf !server Megaf
20:00 MinetestBot Megaf: Megaf Server v4.0 | mt.megaf.info:30003 | Clients: 4/10, 1/4 | Version: 0.4.10-dev / MegafXplore | Ping: 4ms
20:00 RealBadAngel just give me some time
20:01 * ThatGraemeGuy joins quickly
20:01 RealBadAngel wonders we code in no time, for miracles we do need a week or two ;)
20:01 * ThatGraemeGuy thinks "quickly" was perhaps the wrong word
20:02 RealBadAngel indeed
20:02 twoelk maybe all them rules typically found at spawn generate too much gravity and slooooooow down time there
20:03 twoelk wich is actually the same as blaming it on the signs ;-P
20:06 ThatGraemeGuy night night all
20:15 john_minetest joined #minetest
20:15 john_minetest joined #minetest
20:17 sfan5 exio4: meow, no
20:17 exio4 sfan5: why not?
20:18 sfan5 because no
20:18 exio4 ;_;
20:18 exio4 bad cat
20:18 * exio4 pours lava over sfan5
20:19 * sfan5 shrugs
20:19 * sfan5 enjoys the warm bath
20:20 * PenguinDad meows at exio4
20:20 Jordach Penguins don't meow
20:21 * Jordach waits for the inevitable PenguinDad is now known as CatDad
20:21 PenguinDad Jordach: I'm half penguin and half cat
20:22 * Jordach wots and sits there waiting for Civ5
20:23 Tiktalik joined #minetest
20:24 * twoelk waits to see someone make a half pinguin half cat mob
20:24 catninja I'm waiting for a cat mod
20:25 twoelk hrmpf and ping goes the peng....
20:25 * sfan5 gives twoelk an egg
20:26 * twoelk is hungry and eyeballs the egg with interest
20:26 Amaz cat mob!!
20:27 * Jordach has considered adding kitten saplings in BFD
20:27 twoelk cattrees?
20:27 Jordach twoelk, nah
20:27 Jordach they spawn a kitty
20:27 * Amaz thinks Jordach should consider adding a cat mob to bfd
20:27 Jordach based on community skins
20:27 twoelk kittentrees?
20:27 Amaz And a dog mob
20:27 Tiktalik joined #minetest
20:27 Jordach ...or one could grow catnip and occasionally find a kitty near it
20:28 twoelk uh! mobs of dogs
20:29 twoelk we do allready have cattails aka reedmace so they could randomely spawn some ...
20:30 Jordach i mean, every now and then an evergreen tree sapling might grow differently
20:31 Jordach why not make trees rarely drop a kitten sapling
20:31 Jordach i solved the issue of getting other seeds: kill dirt monsters as they will drop other plants
20:32 twoelk sounds like a nice excuse to go for a hunt
20:32 nejni-marji It would give you a real reason to actually kill things.
20:32 Jordach and seeds, and fruits
20:33 Jordach although the hybrid plant that drops a random seed + itself
20:35 twoelk Catkin are called, if you translate, kittens in german, so we got lots of trees with kittens in late spring
20:36 twoelk http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catkin
20:37 gravgun twoelk: same goes in French, we call these "chatons" (kittens)
20:37 proller joined #minetest
20:40 * PenguinDad plants some nepeta cataria in the channel
20:40 sol_invictus joined #minetest
20:41 FR^2 joined #minetest
20:42 Jordach hmm, maybe one of the randomly spawned cats is a nyan cat
20:42 Jordach instead of a static block, it's an actual kitty
20:42 troller joined #minetest
20:42 twoelk meow meow meow nyan meow meow
20:43 Jordach on the other hand i'd need kitty sounds
20:43 sfan5 buy a cat
20:43 twoelk a happy go lightly nyan kitty roaming the server
20:43 ElectronLibre joined #minetest
20:44 Robert_Zenz joined #minetest
20:45 eeeeeta joined #minetest
20:46 PenguinDad lol http://www.nyan.cat/daft
20:47 * twoelk is staring at his CAD drawing and realizes it is finished, it is done, he may go home now - nyannyannyan
20:47 nejni-marji Nothing is ever done.
20:48 twoelk well it will be next week until the client wants me to add more stuff or complains otherwise
20:49 nejni-marji true
20:50 NemoMT joined #minetest
20:50 twoelk so nyan nyan nyan goes my car of to a sunny weekend of enjoying the first christmas markets and their Gluehwein
20:51 nejni-marji I should probably go start making dinner. My family always makes a chicken for thanksgiving, instead of a turkey.
20:52 twoelk that would maybe be mulled wine in english, never tried that in England though
20:53 hawk666 joined #minetest
20:53 FR^2 Glühwein :) Feuerzangenbowle :)
20:55 twoelk not the same
20:55 twoelk both can be gooood though
20:56 hawk666 anyone want to check my server out ? 24/7 hosted in a data centre light role play 167.114.71.42:30000 huge city with plots for players to build in the city
20:58 * twoelk is still considering that lakeside situation on said server but has still to come up with an interesting idea
21:00 * twoelk investigates sources on the grand stairs of odessa, leading down to the harbour
21:03 casimir joined #minetest
21:21 mrtux joined #minetest
21:26 Miner_48er joined #minetest
21:32 tpe joined #minetest
21:42 mitrom joined #minetest
21:43 mitrom Hi
21:43 compunerd joined #minetest
21:48 ElectronLibre left #minetest
22:22 mitrom joined #minetest
22:24 mitrom Morning
22:26 Inocudom joined #minetest
22:28 Inocudom There is an issue in the latest development version of Minetest, Sokomine.
22:28 Inocudom The update.camera setting is broken, thus it turns itself off on its own, even on servers.
22:29 Inocudom I can tell that this is so because of the fact that chunks simply stop appearing even though the servers are running fine.
22:30 Inocudom Jordach, have you noticed the issue with camera.update that I mentioned above?
22:31 Megaf Hi all
22:32 Megaf Inocudom: its not broken, the setting is to be off if you are using a release build
22:32 Megaf it will go one only if you use a debug build
22:32 Megaf john_minetest: Hi
22:33 john_minetest Hey Megaf
22:33 Megaf john_minetest: you should have told me his name...
22:33 Megaf whats his nick?
22:33 * Jordach waits for Civ5 to load
22:33 Inocudom Megaf: Yes, but I keep ending up with chunks simply ceasing to appear, and I am using a normal development build.
22:33 Megaf Inocudom: might be a servers fault, like overlaoded or too slow or badly configured
22:34 john_minetest Megaf: Wait a second...
22:34 Megaf try single player Inocudom
22:34 john_minetest Megaf: His nickname is "Narajo"
22:35 Megaf john_minetest: He will not grief, will he?
22:35 catninja 23:26 < LOTT> <randomgreen> what does the pipe weed look like?
22:36 catninja rrr
22:36 john_minetest Megaf: I know him personally, he won't grief.
22:36 catninja http://forum.lordofthetest.se/viewt​opic.php?f=11&amp;t=6&amp;p=16#p16
22:36 * mitrom is browsing irc logs
22:36 catninja Lott have its on forum!
22:37 Megaf john_minetest: done
22:37 Megaf He was granted interact
22:37 john_minetest Thanks, Megaf.
22:37 Inocudom Megaf: Not happening yet. Maybe the issue is the server that I was on? It was ShadowNinja's Create Server (now owned by OldCoder.)
22:37 Megaf You're welcome
22:38 Megaf Inocudom: What you describes looked like as your connection to the server was interrupted
22:42 Inocudom Might have been the case. Megaf, you are a server owner. Would you or CraigyDavi be able to host one for Freeminer? Perhaps with one of Minetest's sub-games (like Voxelands or Dreambuilder?)
22:42 NemoMT joined #minetest
22:43 Megaf I'm afraid I can't, I can hardly maintain my server
22:43 Megaf And I mught have to shut it down because I'm unemployed
22:43 casimir Inocudom, it is not called Voxelands.
22:44 Inocudom Voxelgarden it is.
22:44 NemoMT_ joined #minetest
22:47 zat joined #minetest
22:49 CraigyDavi Inocudom, Yep
22:49 chchjesus joined #minetest
22:51 Inocudom CraigyDavi: Megaf can't host a server for Freeminer right now, but are you able to? I recommend using one of Minetest's sub-games if you do so that you won't have to deal with flowing dirt/sand/gravel.
22:51 mitrom You guys need a server?
22:51 mitrom I have a google 12Gb ram instance I don't need
22:51 Inocudom Do consider however that only Freeminer players can link to Freeminer servers.
22:52 CraigyDavi Of course, I should have it up at servers.freeminer.org within the next few days
22:52 Inocudom mitrom: If you are willing to create a server for Freeminer, that would be appreciated.
22:52 mitrom I would, but I'm afraid it expires in ~30 days
22:52 mitrom I think that's enough
22:53 CraigyDavi Yeah I think people want a server which will last longer than that.
22:53 mitrom yeah well
22:53 Inocudom Well, mitrom, this is Freeminer's website: http://freeminer.org/
22:53 mitrom Thanks
22:54 mitrom So should I make one?
22:54 mitrom Any point if it's for only 30 days?
22:54 Inocudom Give it a look sometime. You might find the fork of Minetest to be worthwhile.
22:54 mitrom ALright
22:55 mitrom I can't do anything currently
22:55 mitrom I'll take a look when my main PC is fixed
22:55 Inocudom mitron: If its for 30 days, then it would probably be suitable only for testing. Currently, only the developers of Freeminer have servers for it, and those ones are bland.
22:56 mitrom alrighty
22:56 mitrom Well
22:56 mitrom I'm getting a job so I may get a proper google server
22:57 mitrom currently I own 5
22:59 mitrom 5 other ones
22:59 mitrom no charge whatsoever
23:05 mitrom hmm
23:05 mitrom What about 512M 4 cores ?
23:06 mitrom sudo shred -vuzn 6 /dev/disk/by-uuid/87239a97-​c5a4-4a87-b545-606ffbff926c
23:07 mitrom mit@pentius:~$ sudo shred -vuzn 8 /dev/disk/by-uuid/87239a97-​c5a4-4a87-b545-606ffbff926c
23:07 mitrom Killed
23:07 mitrom ?
23:07 Illyasviel Compared to minecraft how much power does minetest need?
23:07 mitrom Very little from what I can tell
23:10 exio4 joined #minetest
23:10 Viper168 joined #minetest
23:15 CraigyDavi Inocudom, check the server list :)
23:16 Inocudom Freeminer, however, needs more power than Minetest does. Should still be less than Minecraft though.
23:16 troller its configurable
23:22 Inocudom CraigyDavi, I am now on that server.
23:22 CraigyDavi Hold on, having some major problems
23:24 Inocudom The server just stopped loading chunks all of a sudden. What happened?
23:24 CraigyDavi Join #freeminer and I'll explain
23:33 cg72 joined #minetest
23:33 cg72 left #minetest

| Channels | #minetest index | Today | | Google Search | Plaintext