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01:13 thefamilygrog66 What's the deal with all the illegitimate minetest clones for android?
01:14 FreeFull No idea
01:14 FreeFull Alternative to minecraft pocket edition?
01:14 thefamilygrog66 Sure, but anyone can download the "official" minetest android app for free.
01:15 thefamilygrog66 For example, a player on my server is using an app called Exploration. It's been downloaded 10000 times from google play, at $3.99 a download.
01:17 thefamilygrog66 $40000 for putting a release of minetest on google play is pretty f**kin' shady, man.
01:22 FreeFull Oh, yeah, that's bad
01:22 FreeFull You could force them to release the source code
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01:26 troller what?
01:27 troller Exploration lite - not minetest
01:28 thefamilygrog66 not lite, full version
01:28 thefamilygrog66 and it is indeed minetest
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01:30 troller https://play.google.com/store/apps/deta​ils?id=com.explorationbase.Exploration this ?
01:32 thefamilygrog66 Yes, I believe that's the one.
01:33 troller its not mt
01:33 troller https://play.google.com/store/apps/​details?id=open.org.minetest.hungry - this - is
01:34 thefamilygrog66 Ah yes, you're correct. I love the first review: "This game is so stuped"
01:35 troller lol they use my old mandelbox world in one of games 8)
01:35 thefamilygrog66 nice
01:35 troller https://lh4.ggpht.com/QEwcQU5o1F56OjfAY6lxWKf8VX_​Uj86xRrkCNa_u_E5VXNUYNe20VpWd-AjRyOxk7Mbh=h900-rw
01:35 troller and this screenshot from it
01:35 thefamilygrog66 I'm assuming it's apps like these that assign users the generic "Guest3209" type names?
01:36 troller its my feature too ;)
01:36 troller it was in some versions of mt, but then was partailly removed
01:36 thefamilygrog66 the Guest thing?
01:37 troller yep
01:37 troller hate me!
01:37 thefamilygrog66 Ah, as a server owner, I'm always wary of players who log on with Guest names... haha
01:37 thefamilygrog66 May as well sign in as "Griefer1234"
01:38 Zeno` It's got good reviews
01:38 troller it was autofilled when player leave empty "name"
01:38 thefamilygrog66 Grr
01:40 troller fuuck looot of ads
01:41 troller video ads 8(
01:41 thefamilygrog66 gotta make more money
01:41 nejni-marji if !$name; then name = Robert\' rm -rf /
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02:00 Fritigern So...... I edited the no_guests mod to respond to guest accounts with "INVALID CLIENT VERSION.  Visit http://minetest.net and update your client!!!"
02:03 Fritigern Now let's see how many android users are going to actually get the official android client.
02:04 nejni-marji Why, is there an unofficial one?
02:04 Fritigern I think you know exactly what i mean
02:09 nejni-marji Wait... I think I do...
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02:17 slavic hi
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03:06 FreeFull How do evil pickaxes compare to diamond?
03:07 FreeFull It takes quite a lot of gold to make one
03:07 Fritigern Ah, but Evil picks are super fast!
03:07 FreeFull 28 gold ingots
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03:07 FreeFull So, worth it then?
03:07 exio4 28 gold ingots makes anything not worth it
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03:08 exio4 oh look, it is a Zeno`
03:08 FreeFull At least it doesn't use rainbow blocks
03:08 exio4 lol
03:08 Zeno` look, look, a zeno!
03:08 exio4 how is it going wild minetester!
03:08 FreeFull I never even found a single rainbow block in the wild. Ever.
03:08 Zeno` I've found two
03:09 Zeno` ghastly things
03:09 FreeFull I think I'll go hunt for gold
03:09 exio4 it is sad that I don't really play much :(
03:09 FreeFull I think someone else found a rainbow block once, and I got to see it
03:09 FreeFull I used to play more too
03:09 Zeno` I protected on in the public mine on onez' server
03:09 Zeno` one*
03:09 FreeFull I really like a place I build locally out of sandstone
03:09 FreeFull Although I have trouble with thinking how to use rooms
03:10 FreeFull I think I'll make one into a dual kitchen/bar
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03:10 FreeFull It's a watershed world
03:10 FreeFull With homedecor mod
03:10 FreeFull And some others
03:20 OldCoder http://oldcoder.org/141127_ores.png
03:20 OldCoder ^ What is wrong with my ores?
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03:20 OldCoder See screenshot
03:20 FreeFull I hope I can find some gold.. It's pretty difficult to find
03:21 FreeFull OldCoder: That's a long-standing bug
03:21 FreeFull To do with texture size differences
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03:22 OldCoder Why is it occurring for me and others? and what differences? What shall I do as a workaround?
03:23 OldCoder FreeFull, ^ thank you
03:23 jacksepticeye Hi OldCoder
03:23 OldCoder Shall I load 64x64 textures? But what triggers the bug?
03:23 OldCoder jack Hi not now
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03:24 jacksepticeye What why do you always do that to me.
03:24 OldCoder Always as in twice in the last hour, Jack?
03:24 jacksepticeye I have a reason why i rage quit
03:24 OldCoder Both times when you were interrupting?
03:24 OldCoder That is good to know
03:25 OldCoder FreeFull, or others, why is the texture size mismatch bug occurring; i.e., what triggers it? Shall I load 64x64 ore textures?
03:25 jacksepticeye Thats it im Never coming on moon test again Never
03:26 FreeFull If only there was wood ore..
03:26 OldCoder Petrified wood might be ore FreeFull
03:27 OldCoder FreeFull, further comments? If not, thank you
03:28 FreeFull No further comments
03:33 DFeniks im not completely sure . but ore and stone textures should be same size to avoid that . i think
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03:49 OldCoder DFeniks, that is what I was thinking
03:49 OldCoder I thought they were the same size but I was probably mistaken
03:49 OldCoder FreeFull, your initial remark was appreciated; see me if you need minor assistance in the future
03:56 FreeFull Ok
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04:19 Inocudom The folks that make all those rip-off apps for Android and such depend upon and feed off of the ignorance of others. I view that as immoral.
04:19 galundrux_ Well, moral people don't make any money now do they :P
04:20 galundrux_ Not that I'm arguing, I'm just as broke as anyone
04:20 Inocudom Of course, a number of those apps are freeware, but they tend to be abandoned for eternity by their placers.
04:21 Inocudom Austerity is the way of the future. That is what the powers that be want. Ever seen Hunger Games?
04:23 galundrux_ It's still not half as bad as that "security expert" that went out and said all flashlight apps are spyware, thats really playing on peoples ignorance, not to mention fear.
04:24 OldCoder FreeFull, DFeniks; syncing texture sizes corrected the issue
04:25 OldCoder Inocudom, is Farming++ working for you?
04:26 galundrux_ Anyway, I was wondering why so many people log onto servers as guest? Is there anyway to stop that?
04:29 galundrux_ Oh, and I need to get rid of bones to, they're cluttering up the place, is the only way to delete the folder? And will that remove the bones that are already there?
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04:33 Mallot1 Hey
04:33 galundrux_ Hey
04:34 Mallot1 Why are there 8 item slots now? I just dropped by at the site and noticed the change. Also what happened to the cool website now it's all white.
04:34 Mallot1 hi galundrux_: =D
04:35 Inocudom Yes, it works in singleplayer map. How about on your server?
04:38 Inocudom OldCoder, is the server using the latest version of Minetest? Farming++ might need it. Also, you might want to report any errors to MTDad so that they can be fixed.
04:40 OldCoder You will need to find the errors for me Inocudom :-) as you requested this. And yes it is a very new copy. Sapier branch from a few days ago.
04:40 domtron_ galundrux_: by deleting a mod folder all nodes in the world defined by it will remain in the world by my experience. The nodes will loose their texture and default to the "missing texture" texture. I'm not positive though.
04:40 OldCoder Inocudom, does it seem to work?
04:40 Mallot1 domtron_: you are correct
04:40 OldCoder domtron_, as a general rule yes
04:40 OldCoder Ninja
04:41 OldCoder You can then use one of two mods to delete or convert the nodes
04:41 OldCoder OR you can alias them; 3 alternatives
04:41 OldCoder This works in most cases. Stairsplus stuff is a bit ugly but basic blocks work this way.
04:42 FreeFull Be aware, all items inside the bones will be lost once you get rid of the nodes
04:42 FreeFull So better get the items out first
04:44 galundrux_ That's okay, doesn't seem to be much in them anyway, and there are hundreds so I'm not gonna bother with that. Thanks though.
04:44 domtron_ galundrux: you might want to keep bones and just shorten/add the delete abm so they don't cause the clutter.
04:45 domtron_ I mean if you want to keep bones.
04:45 Inocudom OldCoder: I don't know what you mean by Sapiers branch. What is it of?
04:46 OldCoder We are working on the Resend Reliable Total Death Bug
04:46 OldCoder He rebased a few days ago
04:47 OldCoder Branch is of his fork of master
04:47 OldCoder So it is pretty current; less than a week old
04:47 galundrux_ Yeah, I'm gonna have to work it out tomorrow I think, it's late here so my brain isn't really working :P
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04:51 Inocudom This branch, OldCoder? https://github.com/sapier/minetest
04:53 domtron galundrux_: I just looked at the code. It already uses the on_timer event to make the bones lootable by anyone after a set period. Another if statement could be added to delete the bones a little while after that has happened.
04:54 Inocudom sapier, how up-to-date is this branch? https://github.com/sapier/minetest
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04:56 galundrux_ Great, thanks, I'll look into that after I get some sleep
04:57 RealBadAngel This branch is 191 commits behind minetest:master
04:59 OldCoder commit 016448331061f87a63b8f9ef33671d81e8922ad1
04:59 OldCoder Author: RealBadAngel <maciej.kasatkin@o2.pl>
04:59 OldCoder Date:   Fri Nov 21 08:41:21 2014 +0100
04:59 OldCoder Port createForsythOptimizedMesh from Irrlicht 1.8
04:59 OldCoder
04:59 OldCoder Mesh rotation helpers.
04:59 OldCoder I think my copy is up to date
04:59 OldCoder Looking for the branch ID
04:59 domtron Glad to try and help. Sleep well.
04:59 OldCoder I am so tired...
05:00 OldCoder I don't see the link but it is current through last weekend
05:00 RealBadAngel OldCoder, that 191 behind applies to sapier's branch
05:00 OldCoder Yes; but I have a branch from him that he said he'd rebased
05:01 OldCoder And this was just a few days ago
05:01 OldCoder It was not his default
05:01 OldCoder I think Zeno, he, and I have finally fixed the network issue
05:01 OldCoder He has made performance fixes
05:01 OldCoder He says are important
05:01 OldCoder I am preparing a patch now to review
05:02 RealBadAngel good
05:03 RealBadAngel this weekend i will push another important change, move highlighted and cracks to seperate scene node, without the need to rebuild meshes all the time
05:03 RealBadAngel that will make gameplay smoother
05:06 OldCoder git checkout -b reliable_timeout_fix origin/reliable_timeout_fix
05:06 OldCoder That is Sapier's branch
05:06 OldCoder and I am tweaking a copy right now
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05:11 waressearcher2 is anyone here ?
05:11 waressearcher2 does minetest uses voxel engine ?
05:13 waressearcher2 hey bunch of lunatics
05:13 domtron Minetest is a voxel game engine.
05:14 waressearcher2 for example there is voxelstein, its a clone of wolfenstein3D, does minetest use similar technology ? voxels ?
05:18 OldCoder Define voxel
05:19 OldCoder RealBadAngel, I will do one more test pass with changes I just made. I think this needs to go into 0.4.11
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05:19 waressearcher2 anyone ?
05:20 OldCoder Define voxel
05:20 OldCoder For your purposes
05:20 waressearcher2 I don't know I though voxel is a tiny 3d pixel
05:21 waressearcher2 so every block is a voxel, its not 3d block with texture internally its just one point but it rendered as block ?
05:21 RealBadAngel http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voxel
05:21 OldCoder If you are standing block, or cube
05:21 OldCoder I want to know his definition
05:21 OldCoder waressearcher2, what is it you are after?
05:21 RealBadAngel is google so hard to use?
05:22 waressearcher2 also there are "freeminer" and "voxelands", they were forked from minetest, are they better ? why don't those people just help developing minetest instead of creating another fork ?
05:23 OldCoder settings->setDefault ("connection_timeout"    , "30.0" );
05:23 RealBadAngel why dont we have a single game in the world? so everybody will develop just one and play the it? :P
05:23 OldCoder g_settings->getFloat ("connection_timeout"),
05:23 OldCoder settings->setDefault ("connection_timeout"    , "30.0" );
05:23 OldCoder RealBadAngel, should I use the 2nd with the 1st?
05:23 OldCoder Says no default found at runtime
05:23 waressearcher2 is there a way I can help ? I know some C and have spare time
05:23 OldCoder waressearcher2, sure
05:24 OldCoder What are your interests?
05:24 RealBadAngel just take a look around, pick something you would like to improve and try
05:24 OldCoder RealBadAngel, should I use the 2nd with the 1st? Says no default found at runtime
05:24 RealBadAngel OldCoder, i think you should
05:24 OldCoder BUt
05:24 OldCoder Says no default found at runtime
05:24 OldCoder Is it sufficient to add the 2nd in defaultsettings.cpp ?
05:24 domtron waressearcher2: Forks occur because people want to add features that the core developers don't want because it conflicts with their goles or are too unstable/slow/ect for the majority of players.
05:25 RealBadAngel OldCoder, yes
05:25 OldCoder ERROR[main]: ERROR: An unhandled exception occurred: Setting [connection_timeout] not found.
05:25 DFeniks im not sure if it counts as voxel game if ve have also meshes and plantlike things
05:25 OldCoder RealBadAngel, I have not worked in this area and am tired physically
05:25 OldCoder It is basically voxels
05:25 RealBadAngel if something is not defined in config, defaultsettings.cpp defines it
05:25 OldCoder RealBadAngel, comments on the error message?
05:25 RealBadAngel it is also responsible for creating the keys
05:25 OldCoder Keys?
05:26 RealBadAngel "connection_timeout" is the key
05:26 RealBadAngel variable name
05:26 OldCoder Never mind... I see my error thank you
05:26 RealBadAngel "30.0" is a default value for the key
05:26 RealBadAngel and will be used if not defined in config
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05:27 DFeniks also each cube has texture . its not like its simply colored point
05:27 domtron DFeniks: I have seen 7 days to die called a voxel game despite having a lot of meshes(full car models, ect).
05:27 waressearcher2 RealBadAngel: on that page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voxel there is a list of voxel-based games and there is no minetest
05:28 RealBadAngel feel free to add it there then :)
05:28 OldCoder waressearcher2, It is a very nice game
05:29 OldCoder Possibly one of the best little-known FOSS projects
05:30 OldCoder waressearcher2, do you wish to visit some of the worlds?
05:30 DFeniks Free Open Sandbox Simulator ?
05:31 OldCoder :D
05:31 OldCoder You know I mean the other FOSS
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05:31 domtron One can't expect every list to be exhaustive. Also 'technically' Minetest isn't a game it is an engine which can run voxel based games. Games are available on the forums. An example is Adventuretest.
05:32 DFeniks or something else, gona google abbreviation then
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05:34 DFeniks ah , of course Free and open-source software .
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05:44 domtron good night
05:46 Inocudom 00:09:12: ERROR[ServerThread]: Assignment to undeclared global "itemstacks" inside a function at ...st/bin/../games/minetest_game​/mods/default/functions.lua:312.
05:46 Inocudom That error appeared in minetest_game today... twice...
05:47 OldCoder Inocudom, that is not necessarily an error; it is sometimes carelessness
05:47 OldCoder People need to check for loaded mods
05:48 OldCoder I have started to patch to fix those messages
05:48 OldCoder Hopefully the patches will be accepted
05:48 OldCoder Hm, but in default; that should not happen
05:48 kaeza Inocudom, prefixing the line with `local` fixes the error
05:48 OldCoder waressearcher2, explain what interests you
05:48 OldCoder kaeza, hieza
05:48 * OldCoder rests
05:48 kaeza (should be fixed upstream, though)
05:48 kaeza OldCoder, o/
05:49 OldCoder kaeza, I think Sapier and I are nearly done with part of a network overhaul; one part
05:49 OldCoder Performance is supposed to be much better for poorer devices
05:49 Inocudom OldCoder: This is the only error that I could find in farming++: 00:16:13: ERROR[ServerThread]: Assignment to undeclared global "node" inside a function at ...ek/.minetest/mods/farming_plu​splus/farming_plus/init.lua:81.
05:49 kaeza OldCoder, good :)
05:49 OldCoder Inocudom, yes, I'll fix that one myself
05:49 OldCoder Zzz
05:50 Inocudom I once replaced farming_plus and farming_redo with farming++ in a world once, and there were no crashes.
05:51 Inocudom However, I did notice that wheat does not grow on farming_sand, even though all of the other plants will.
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06:05 Fritigern it's so much fun seeing this in my logs : "22:01:31: ACTION[ServerThread]: Server: Player with the name "Guest5167" tried to connect from 138.229.206.130 but it was disallowed for the following reason: INVALID CLIENT VERSION!!!Visit http://minetest.net/download#android and update your client."
06:05 Fritigern Hashtag: #littlewhitelies
06:08 Fritigern Here's another one: "21:57:15: ACTION[ServerThread]: Server: Player with the name "Admin" tried to connect from 93.217.191.37 but it was disallowed for the following reason: Another user with that name is already logged on.Please choose a different username and try again."
06:10 VanessaE heh
06:15 Fritigern I mmodified the responses in the no_guests mod. I only wish i could have done that in a config/ini file though. But this works! Maybe i shold commit a patch for it? :-)
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06:17 VanessaE such a thing would be trivial to patch, yes
06:19 Fritigern BTW, i have finally figured out how to create a diff patch. (yay me!) I came across meld in my "start menu" and out of curiosity started it.
06:19 Fritigern Next step: learning how to apply a diff patch!
06:21 Fritigern Oh, btw, i expanded no_guests with the code from another mod. I don;t remember what it was called (sorry, whoever whote the thing), but it makes it so that if Billy tries to log in as billy (or bILLY), that user then gets told that there is already a user called Billy and if they meant to log in as that
06:23 Fritigern Dangit, i wish i had added accreditation in the comments.....
06:26 VanessaE that's ShadowNinja's code, probably
06:26 VanessaE he did a case-insensitive patch, which I also use
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06:33 Fritigern I don;t think many people would mind if it were merged in with no_guests. It's practically copy-paste-done
06:35 Fritigern I mean, if i manage to plop it into no_guests, then anyone can do it :-)
06:35 VanessaE heh
06:38 Fritigern VanessaE: This is the mod as i currently have it : http://paste.kde.org/pslpodwtb
06:39 VanessaE ShadowNinja's mod has a choosecase command also
06:39 VanessaE I'm sure I'm screwing that up but you get the idea
06:40 Fritigern Off-topic: sudo apt-get install vice
06:40 Fritigern You know what i mean ;-)
06:40 VanessaE heh
06:41 * VanessaE looks over her poor C128 that never gets turned on anymore
06:41 * Fritigern had a C128D and a C128DCR, never had a regular 128
06:42 VanessaE I've had a couple -DCR's in the past, still have the motherboard from at least one (might have both, I forget).
06:42 VanessaE this flat 128 has been pretty reliable
06:44 Fritigern The major difference between the D and the DCR is the vram (forgot what the C128 video chip was called, it wasn;t VIC becasue that was C64)
06:44 VanessaE nope.
06:44 Fritigern And poop. I forgot that vice also needs roms
06:45 VanessaE the major difference is that the -DCR is a single board combining the drive controller and the computer into one unit, with different characteristics for the drive than is found in a standard 1571 (plus the VDC RAM :) )
06:46 VanessaE the -D is more or less just a flat 128 board and 1571 put into one case.
06:46 Fritigern OKay, i give you that. The D was two boards, but the major difference foor the end users was the VDC which was 16K for the D and 64k for the DCR
06:46 Fritigern *for
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06:46 VanessaE yup, pretty much
06:47 Fritigern BTW, ever tried Lunix?
06:47 VanessaE my flat has a 64 kB RAM board in it.
06:47 VanessaE yeah, didn't find it too useful
06:47 Fritigern Seems like development of Lunix has continued since i last played with it MANY years ago
06:48 VanessaE oh?
06:48 VanessaE morning, LazyJ
06:48 Fritigern Aparrantly, you can use Lunix to zset up a webserver, and more.
06:48 Fritigern Hold on, let me look it up
06:49 LazyJ G'evening/morning/tea time to you too. ;)-
06:50 VanessaE http://lng.sourceforge.net/
06:50 VanessaE still pretty old, but that's certainly newer than I remember
06:50 VanessaE heh
06:51 Fritigern Yup, that was what i was looking for! I got stuck at http://hld.c64.org/poldi/lunix/lun_about.html
06:52 Fritigern This shows that the C64 is THEE best computer ever built: "Preemptive multitasking (up to 32 tasks, 7 priorities)"
06:52 VanessaE heh
06:52 VanessaE hard to imagine people are still trying to push those things to such extents
06:52 Fritigern Considering that the Motorola 6502/6510 is not built for multitasking, this is definitely a huge accomplishment
06:52 VanessaE s/Motorola/MOS/
06:55 VanessaE (well, "still" is somewhat relative, since the last version of that OS was 10 years ago)
06:56 Fritigern Okay, well. How's this. There are still demos made for the C64
06:56 VanessaE yup
06:57 VanessaE ok, time for me to head off.
06:57 VanessaE night :)
06:57 Fritigern Twilight is still at it, Censor, Farlight, and more
06:57 Zeno` night
06:57 Fritigern Oh, okay. *WAVES*
06:57 Zeno` Isn't it Fairlight?
06:58 Fritigern Yes it is, confounded typos!
06:58 Zeno` lucky I was here!
06:58 Fritigern IKKER!
06:59 Fritigern (it's how i pronounce IKR)
07:00 Zeno` haha :)
07:01 * Fritigern is watching a C64 demo from 2013 on Youtube and feels tempted to find really really early demos :-)
07:01 LazyJ These "undeclared globals" that are now spamming ingame chat, is there a way to shift that to just appear in the logs? Players freak-out when they see frequent "ERROR" messages.
07:02 Fritigern They could update their mods. And if there are no updates, they can nag the modders that made them
07:03 LazyJ That doesn't help.
07:04 LazyJ Some mods are very old and not maintained.
07:04 LazyJ Not all modders will bother.
07:04 LazyJ Minetest will gain the reputation of being quite error prone.
07:04 Fritigern Hmmm... I could have a swing at updating some of them. Without the promise of maintaining them beyond this update
07:05 LazyJ These are frustrations coming from a server-op who actually interacts with the players on the server.
07:07 Fritigern I interact with my players too. And they have no idea of the uninitialized globals thing
07:08 Fritigern BTW, they should not be seeing it in the chat. Dunny why this hapopens to you, but it does not happen on my server
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09:08 kahrl http://sprunge.us/ICMO
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09:24 Zeno` I can answer those questions
09:25 Zeno` lol
09:25 Zeno` did you say "yes, it's called minetest"?
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09:39 Megaf Hi everyone
09:39 Megaf Zeno`: LazyJ: Please do a top and tell me how much RAM your server is using
09:40 LazyJ A top? How's that done?
09:40 LazyJ Do you mean htop?
09:40 nyuszika7h just type "top" in a terminal
09:40 nyuszika7h htop works too
09:40 nyuszika7h even better
09:40 LazyJ 590/4096mb
09:42 Megaf yep, Im not the only one with the memory leak then
09:42 Megaf LazyJ: minetestserver is using lots and lots of ram
09:42 Zeno` Megaf, let me login
09:42 Megaf it wasnt like that couple of months ago
09:42 LazyJ Oh my memory has leaked for years. Comes with old age, young fellow.
09:42 Megaf Zeno`: See? ^
09:43 Zeno` 2230m 397m  54m S 17.0 19.4 106:28.75 minetestserver
09:43 Megaf Zeno`: can you devs please stop blaming my server and do something about it?
09:43 LazyJ That was an "age" joke.
09:43 Zeno` Megaf, I am *trying* to track it down
09:43 Zeno` I want it fixed as well ;)
09:43 LazyJ Hehehe... so I'm not the only one not in a good mood tonight. ;)-
09:43 LazyJ Or AM on this side of the globe.
09:44 Zeno` I've been concentrating on the (apparent) client leak but I'll change my priority to the server
09:44 Megaf Zeno`: you are only one, there are several minetest devs that could help you and do a great work. But it seems like you are the only one interested in fixing stuff =/
09:44 Megaf LazyJ: I'm furious with minetest
09:44 Zeno` I dunno if that's true :p
09:44 Megaf It's no longer crashing, but now it's using lots of ram for nothing
09:45 LazyJ Well, it all done by volunteer work. Front-lines to development. Easy to forget that.
09:45 Megaf Yes, it caches data and stuff, but there is a timeout, and after the timeout memory are not becoming free again
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09:45 Zeno` It's not an easy bug to track down (well, the client one isn't)
09:46 Megaf Zeno`: I will keep running my server because now I know that you are actually working on it. As a work around I will increase swap and RAM to 1 GB each and reduce my timeout to unload items
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09:47 Megaf free -m on my server without minetest server running http://paste.debian.net/plain/133920
09:48 Zeno` I'll do a bunch of checks and profiling on the server. Let's hope it's not as hard to track down as the apparent client leak
09:50 Megaf Zeno`: 70 MB being used by the server just after starting up http://paste.debian.net/plain/133921
09:50 Megaf 17 MB to 88 Mb
09:50 Megaf firefox uses less memory than that for doing nothing
09:51 Megaf windows xp uses less memory than that for doing nothing
09:51 Megaf Linux Kernel uses way less memory than that...
09:56 DFeniks actually im curious i dont know that much about inner workings of software , but why modern software use so much ram? i mean entire minetest could fit in that much ram many times over
09:56 Megaf Zeno`: I believe it has become stable now, without anyone joining it's stable at 87 MB of memory use, http://paste.debian.net/plain/133923
09:57 Megaf DFeniks: The truth is, devs are becoming lazy,
09:57 Megaf DFeniks: back in the day RAM was expensive and dev had to work hard to optimize their software
09:57 Megaf a good example of a well done game is Quake III
09:57 Zeno` I don't think we're lazy
09:58 Megaf it can run with filterings, settings on max and in full HD, 1920x1080 with 256 MB of ram on a 600 MHz ARM CPU, Raspberry Pi
09:58 Zeno` And I am trying hard to optimize :P (and done a good job so far!)
09:58 Zeno` But so far I've been concentrating on client
09:58 Zeno` I will be turning to server optimisation next
09:58 Megaf Minetest is way simpler than it and yet can't run properly with 4 GB of ram and dual core 1,3 GHz x86_64 CPU
09:59 exio4 Megaf: the devs try to get something done without having to throw everything off
09:59 exio4 because the last option is practically a 2 years work
09:59 Megaf DFeniks: dev used to even write pieces of code in assembly to get the best performance possible
09:59 Megaf and they would hunt bugs down
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10:00 Megaf now a days software is released incomplete
10:00 Megaf see PS4 and XBox One games
10:00 Megaf you buy one, go home to play and have to wait several minutes, or hours, updating it
10:00 Zeno` so I have a 20% improvement in the draw loop
10:00 Zeno` oops, wrong window
10:01 sol_invictus Megaf: that's a comfortable position you are in. why don't you help the devs?
10:02 sol_invictus or is it more productive to whine here and demand stability?
10:03 Megaf sol_invictus: I can not code. So I'm reporting everything I can and testing any solution they can offer
10:03 Megaf sol_invictus: And I'm only acting like this because I'm fed up being polite and being ignored
10:03 Megaf So I have decided to make some noise and you know what? It might work.
10:04 Zeno` I'm not ignoring you
10:04 exio4 minetest has a lots of bugs, and not enough people who can spend their whole days debugging and stuff, based on the fact that people don't have infinite free time, I guess we're actually kinda nice
10:04 Zeno` But I, personally, only have so many hours in a day to devote to this
10:04 Zeno` and the other devs probably less (because I recently became unemployed, unlike them, I have a bit more time)
10:05 Megaf exio4: I know, I understand that. Problem is, they waste their time and people throwing in lots of new features, shaders, changing default game behaviour. INSTEAD OF HUNTING/FIXING BUGS AND OPTIMIZING THE CODE AND CLEANING OLD CODE.
10:05 Zeno` I have not added ONE NEW FEATURE
10:05 Zeno` All I've done so far is... optimise
10:06 Zeno` and clean up
10:06 Zeno` see refactor_main and refactor_the_game
10:06 DFeniks i guess its better to have game as it is (and trying to improve if people with right skills join in) rather that give up and dont have game at all
10:06 Megaf exio4: Zeno` is the only active dev that I see actually working on improving things, even before he was invited to join the team
10:06 Megaf before him sapier used to do some stuff
10:07 Zeno` And this is this afternoon's effort: http://i.imgur.com/nK41xkP.jpg
10:07 Zeno` Granted, most of my stuff so far has been to the client, but I'm at about the limit of that (without going silly)
10:07 Megaf Zeno`: Please, when I'm making a critic to minetest devs I'm not talking about you, you are doing a great work and I'm extremely thankful for that
10:07 Zeno` So I will turn to the server either tomorrow or in the next few days
10:07 Zeno` I am exempt? hehh :D
10:08 exio4 Megaf: is your critic against people who did a lot of stuff before, but because they have a life to take care of, they can't do much now?
10:10 Megaf exio4: my critic is against people throwing new features before fixing existing bugs
10:10 Megaf sapier is one dev that I saw doing great work and now he can no longer contribute as much as he used to
10:11 exio4 tell me how what new features, most new features I saw weren't written by the coredevs
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10:48 Megaf Can anyone confirm this issue please? https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/1878
10:50 sol_invictus I had this in fm, so yeah.
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11:41 Megaf LazyJ: So, are you able to confirm this? https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/1880
11:41 Megaf !title
11:41 MinetestBot Megaf: minetestserver will keep consumig RAM till it uses all available RAM and SWAP. · Issue #1880 · minetest/minetest · GitHub
11:42 LazyJ Megaf, we are still running 0.4.10 from about a month after the version update.
11:43 LazyJ Back in August or September... I think.
11:43 LazyJ I haven't updated the engine since.
11:44 LazyJ So if you are using a more current GitHub release, the comparison may not be useful.
11:44 LazyJ Still reading the link...
11:46 Megaf LazyJ: oh, I see
11:46 Megaf I update my server every day
11:46 LazyJ This is what "free -m" spit out:
11:46 LazyJ total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached
11:46 LazyJ Mem:          4096       3867        228          0          0       3314
11:46 LazyJ -/+ buffers/cache:        553       3542
11:46 LazyJ Swap:            0          0          0
11:46 LazyJ was kicked by ShadowBot: Paste flood detected. Use a pastebin like pastebin.ubuntu.com or gist.github.com.
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11:50 LazyJ Heh. Now I remember why I don't like sharing information in this channel. -.-
11:50 sol_invictus The most stupid flood protection imaginable ->[Paste flood detected
11:50 LazyJ Megaf, did that paste go through?
11:50 Megaf LazyJ: Yep
11:51 LazyJ That's after the backup restarted the server 2hrs ago. 1 active player for the past hour.
11:51 LazyJ I'm not sure what else Orby has the server running. Apache is there along with the website, forum, wiki, irc, and who knows what else.
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12:50 MinetestBot [git] Zeno- -> minetest/minetest: Fix regression with command line --go option edb1258 http://git.io/b96xbg (2014-11-28T22:48:46+10:00)
12:50 Zeno` exio is a hacker!
12:51 exio4 yes!1!! I am super hax0r!
12:51 exio4 I can use my computer with only a KEYBOARD!!!!!1!!1!111
12:51 Zeno` h4x0r!
12:51 Zeno` I have EIGHT keyboards!
12:52 sol_invictus wut ._.
12:52 Zeno` yeah, so I can type faster
12:52 exio4 5|_|P3R |-|4><0R
12:53 sol_invictus 1337?
12:53 Zeno` yes, not many people use multiple kybds connected to the same computer
12:53 Zeno` if it's not 1337 it's at least unique
12:53 sfan5 Zeno`: does laptop keyboard + normal keyboard count as multiple?
12:54 sfan5 (the laptop keyboard is partially broken which is why i use an external one)
12:54 sfan5 hi everyone btw
12:54 Zeno` sfan5, if you're using both at the same time (left hand on laptop keyboard, right hand on external one)
12:54 Megaf I have seen enough http://9gag.com/gag/aZWE3pp
12:54 Megaf !title
12:54 MinetestBot Megaf: Here are my awesome drawing skills! Hope you like it! - 9GAG
12:54 sol_invictus sfan5: https://pbs.twimg.com/media​/B3VFembCcAA565U.png:large
12:55 sfan5 Zeno`: that would hurt if i were to do it for longer
12:55 Zeno` sfan5, :D
12:55 sfan5 because the laptop keyboard is farther away than the normal one
12:55 Megaf Hi sfan5
12:55 sfan5 hi
12:56 exio4 seriously tho, what is your WPM?
12:56 sfan5 mine? i have no clue
12:58 exio4 \o/
13:11 DFeniks i sometimes type with left hand on real keyboard , right hand with onscreen one
13:11 MinetestBot [git] Rui914 -> minetest/minetest: Update minetest.po (Japanese) 2b1a151 http://git.io/iS496g (2014-11-28T23:09:58+10:00)
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13:52 Megaf [100%] Built target minetestserver
13:52 Megaf real    0m50.529s
13:52 Megaf my AMD is so much quicker than these shitty octacore Xeon CPUs =/
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13:53 exio4 you're only building half of minetest
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13:54 exio4 Megaf: why not crosscompiling?
13:54 exio4 building on the rpi sounds like painfully slow
13:54 Megaf exio4: about 200 minutes
13:54 Zeno` that's why you cross-compile :P
13:54 Megaf I would apreciate help on cross compiling later on
13:59 OldCoder RealBadAngel, here at all? Fascinating Technic issue happening!
14:00 OldCoder When people run their Technic stuff on Landrush, low lag. When they *leave* the area, lag spikes and goes out of control. Seems reproducible. WTH?
14:00 OldCoder RealBadAngel, ^
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14:32 hisforever forgot how to set time back to default?
14:32 Guest79042 i'm an old man and know nothing, can i join a minetest world becaus ei am sad and alone
14:36 Megaf !up megaf.no-ip.info 30003
14:36 MinetestBot megaf.no-ip.info:30003 seems to be down
14:36 Megaf Thats not actually true...
14:37 Megaf !up megaf.no-ip.info 30003
14:37 MinetestBot megaf.no-ip.info:30003 seems to be down
14:37 someguy_irc_ um... help? http://puu.sh/d8MOe/57a4fd981f.png
14:38 sfan5 >activate windows
14:38 Megaf whats wrong someguy_irc_
14:38 someguy_irc_ the images isnt loading. .-.
14:38 Megaf Piratebay Windows Edition detected
14:38 someguy_irc_ yes
14:39 someguy_irc_ lol
14:39 someguy_irc_ but.
14:39 someguy_irc_ why isn't the images loading?
14:39 Megaf someguy_irc_: use a decent browser, like Firefox
14:39 someguy_irc_ I do.
14:39 Megaf you even have nightly
14:39 someguy_irc_ I use it everyday.
14:39 someguy_irc_ yep.
14:39 Megaf someguy_irc_: it might be some extension blocking images on chrome
14:39 someguy_irc_ well stupid chrome was messing around.
14:39 someguy_irc_ Its fixed now.
14:40 someguy_irc_ that Tab was messed up.
14:40 * sfan5 meows at Megaf
14:40 * Megaf purrs
14:40 someguy_irc_ and are you even experiencing this? http://puu.sh/d8MW0/d97b9989b4.png
14:40 * someguy_irc_ 's cat jumps on his lap.
14:40 someguy_irc_ meow.
14:41 someguy_irc dosen't come up "Herrrrrrmit" in nightly.
14:41 someguy_irc chrome come on
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14:41 Megaf just dont use chrome...
14:41 someguy_irc And.
14:41 Megaf and dont use hide my ass
14:41 someguy_irc nightly = broke.
14:41 someguy_irc ^
14:42 someguy_irc Adblock plus is not working.
14:42 someguy_irc or adblock Edge.
14:42 someguy_irc ever since I refreshed* nightly.
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14:42 PenguinDad someguy_irc: I just doesn't preserve the filter lists after a restart
14:43 someguy_irc hm?
14:44 hisforever how do I reset time?
14:44 someguy_irc I really want to know.
14:44 someguy_irc , offtopic again: does my lum-sand texture look any better? http://puu.sh/d8Nan/27df4b30d3.jpg
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14:46 Fritigern hisforever: What do you mean? In-game? In Linux? Windows? The clocks in your house?
14:50 Megaf Fritigern: he wants to recreate the begining of the universe and time
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14:50 Fritigern In the beginning was the Word. The word was with God, and the word was God.
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14:51 Megaf Yep, he wants that
14:51 Amaz Hoc erat in Principo apud Deum, omnia per ipsum factum est...
14:51 Megaf before God creates the universe
14:51 Amaz (Only know it in Latin ;))
14:52 Fritigern :-)
14:52 * Megaf trying to play on his server when running valgrind, and with luajit disabled
14:52 Megaf the laggest server ever
14:52 Megaf join the party! megaf.no-ip.info 30003
14:52 Fritigern Megaf: Are you still going to compile MT on your Pi?
14:53 Megaf Fritigern: yep
14:53 Megaf Fritigern: didnt you see the link I gave you?
14:53 john_minetest ignis qui vir
14:53 Fritigern Coolness. I hope it runs better than last eim
14:53 Fritigern *time
14:53 Megaf I gave you a link where you can download my build for raspberry pi
14:53 PenguinDad Fritigern: In the beginning was the God. The god was with God, and the god was God. :P
14:54 Fritigern Megaf: It's currently of no use to be, as i do not (yet) have a pi
14:54 Megaf oh
14:56 Fritigern I do want one though. very much so. However, i am rather poor (as in have to buy the cheapest food to make ends meet), so it may take a while before i can get the Raspberry Pi B+ that i want. And then i will need a microSD card, and a powersupply (i don;t want to hook it up to my USB), and an HDMI cable....
14:57 Fritigern Now, i know that in the grand scheme of things, all those items are quite cheap. But for someone who does not have any money to spare at all, it is relatively costly
14:57 Megaf Fritigern: Im too poor
14:57 Megaf and I dont have a job
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15:00 Fritigern I am considering taking out a loan, and buy a coupl of Raspberry Pis and (plus cases, and microsd card, and all that), put them together and sell them as home theater devices. I will even install them for the customer
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15:00 MinetestBot 475.136
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15:01 troller Fritigern, rpi = slow useless shit
15:01 Fritigern Troller, go back into your cave
15:01 sfan5 troller: not useless, but still slow
15:02 troller Fritigern, you in cave, not me. look to odroid, radxa, firefly and other boards (every 30-50x faster than pi)
15:03 sfan5 !g radxa
15:03 MinetestBot sfan5: http://radxa.com/
15:03 Fritigern I don't care what you think. Will you pay for that stuff? Because i sure as hell can not fork over that kind of money
15:03 troller better wait http://radxa.com/Rock2
15:04 sfan5 lolwat
15:04 sfan5 http://radxa.com/mw/images/1/1a/Cpu_ram.png
15:04 sfan5 i love those graphs
15:05 troller ODROID-U3 = $65
15:05 sfan5 "radxa has quad core, random dual core and single-core stuff for comparison"
15:05 Fritigern rpi = $20-$35
15:05 sfan5 "also, single-cores can't have more than 700 MHz, and dual-cores not more than 1.0 GHz"
15:05 sfan5 "oh, and there is 512MB, 1GB"
15:05 PenguinDad lolwat
15:05 sfan5 "but radxa has 2GB"
15:06 troller Fritigern, but odroid 30x faster = rpi cpu cost = $20*30
15:06 sfan5 troller: thats not how you compare CPUa
15:06 sfan5 troller: thats not how you compare CPUs
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15:07 troller compare it yourself
15:07 sfan5 do i look like i have an odroid
15:09 * Megaf has ODroid U3 and Raspberry Pi Model B
15:09 * sfan5 has rpi model b
15:09 Megaf Both are totally different and can't be compared
15:09 Megaf They are intended for totally different things
15:10 Megaf Raspberry Pi is intended to teach children to code
15:10 Megaf ODroid is a board for Android development
15:10 Megaf test games and stuff
15:10 troller wat
15:10 troller both just arm boards
15:10 Megaf both are able to do other stuff
15:11 Megaf troller: your logic is like, comparing a netbook with a powerful cluster of computers
15:11 Megaf both have x86 boards
15:11 Megaf so what?
15:12 troller no, my logic comparing 15 years old hardware and current
15:12 sfan5 Megaf: the rpi even has armv6, while the odroid has v7
15:12 Megaf you can not compare troller
15:13 troller radxa 2 on  Cortex-A17
15:13 Fritigern I'm sticking to my plan. to use rpi to make a home theater device. It's perfect for that. Performance, memory, everything. It's perfect for this purpose. especially with OpenElec
15:14 Megaf indeed
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15:18 troller rpi Performance ? lol
15:19 troller compile openoffice on rpi
15:19 Fritigern Why would i want to do that if i intend it as a home theater system?
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15:20 troller what about fullhd video playing ?
15:21 Fritigern Dude, you have no idea what you are talking about. Now, bye bye, time to popularte my ignore list. You obviously live up to your name
15:21 troller or you have 80x25 char plasma ?
15:22 troller maybe pi can play ultrahd videos too ?
15:22 Megaf troller: try to dig a mountain using a ferrari
15:22 Megaf you cant, its not made for that
15:22 PenguinDad Fritigern: is it really fast enough for 4K 10-bit H264? :P
15:23 Megaf troller: raspberry pi wasnt intented to compile openoffice
15:23 Megaf now please shut up
15:23 Fritigern http://www.raspberrypi.org/h​elp/faqs/#costandperformance
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15:24 troller raspberry pi wasnt intented.
15:26 Megaf sfan5: can you please ban troller ?
15:26 Megaf He is such an annoying troll
15:26 sfan5 PenguinDad: raspberry pi? 4K or 10-bit or H.265? no
15:26 sfan5 Megaf: no
15:26 troller Megaf, just because i have another point ?
15:27 Megaf because you are making stupid points
15:27 sfan5 PenguinDad: the raspberry pi struggles with every video that is not decodeable by the gpu
15:27 troller stupid = not yours ?
15:27 Megaf I would have added you to the ignore list if Quassel Client had one
15:28 Megaf PenguinDad: it can decode any 1080p that is supported by its GPU
15:28 Megaf Fritigern: thats a point that you have to consider
15:28 Megaf it can only decode a limited numer of formats
15:28 Megaf and yet you need to buy licenses to be able to decode them using the GPU
15:38 Megaf cool, I can actually ignore in Quassel :)
15:38 Megaf all troller comments have just vanished from my chat log/list :)
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15:38 troller Megaf, trolled!
15:39 Fritigern Rest and relaxation at last! :-)
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16:25 YuGiOhJCJ hello is it possible to precise the quantity when using the /giveme command?
16:26 Calinou YuGiOhJCJ, /giveme item 99
16:26 Calinou -1 = 65535 = big stack
16:26 Calinou /giveme stone -1
16:26 Calinou try this
16:26 YuGiOhJCJ it works :)
16:40 Calinou I got Aseprite to build
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16:54 rubenwardy Hi all!
16:55 Calinou hi rubenwardy, chess?
16:55 rubenwardy Not right now
16:56 Calinou http://fr.lichess.org/MW3OzRSl/black
16:56 Calinou a grandmaster is playing
16:56 Calinou against a lichess master
16:56 Calinou 7 spectators on the game :p
17:00 YuGiOhJCJ do you know why "/giveme desert_stone" gives this result: "Cannot give an unknown item"?
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17:04 Calinou it is /giveme default:desert_stone
17:04 Calinou use the mod prefix if there is no alias
17:06 Calinou rubenwardy, also see http://fr.lichess.org/blog/VHRZwC​gAACoAoiFv/november-new-features
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17:13 YuGiOhJCJ thank you it works :)
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17:44 Calinou https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.ph​p?f=14&amp;t=10200&amp;p=163053#p163053
17:44 Calinou Minetest IDE build for Ubuntu 14.10 (64-bit)
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17:49 mitrom Good afternoon
17:49 Calinou hi mitrom-ney
17:49 * Calinou joke of the day
17:49 mitrom wow
17:49 mitrom 11/10
17:49 * PenguinDad doesn't get it
17:49 Calinou Mitt Romney
17:49 mitrom who the hell is mitt romney
17:51 Calinou a politician in the US
17:52 mitrom oh rly
17:53 mitrom Massachusetts Institute of Technology Random Access Memory
17:55 john_minetest Read Only Memory *
17:57 mitrom yeah whatever
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17:59 Megaf Fritigern: http://www.raspberrypi.org/slice-a-media-pl​ayer-using-the-raspberry-pi-compute-module/
18:00 Megaf !title
18:00 MinetestBot Megaf: Slice &#8211; a media player using the Raspberry Pi Compute Module | Raspberry Pi
18:00 PenguinDad Random Only Memory :P
18:00 mitram RAM is like orgasms, good when you don't have to fake it.
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18:07 Krock black friday
18:07 proller gta5  on raspberry pi
18:08 mitram no
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18:08 mitram just why
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18:08 kaeza greetings
18:08 Krock o/ kaeza
18:09 kaeza \o
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18:17 mitram I want you to escape me.
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18:30 Megaf Hi kaeza
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18:59 Jordach i play Civ5 for half an hours and it's now 7pm
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19:01 NakedFury civ5 is a time eater game
19:01 NakedFury just one more turn makes time fly
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20:26 Wayward_One RealBadAngel, any news on the extruded plantlike idea?
20:29 waressearcher2 I heard you arguing about coding style https://github.com/minetest/minet​est/pull/65#issuecomment-4637110 instead of writing acrual code is that true ? is that why minetest's development is so slow ?
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20:34 SylvieLorxu Coding style does matter if you want to have a codebase you can maintain :x
20:34 SylvieLorxu That's not to say I know much about this specific case
20:36 twoelk waressearcher2: you seem to be pretty much barking at the wrong tree ;-D
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20:52 kaeza in cases like these, the dev complaining about style could just fix it him/herself before committing
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20:53 hawk666 hello any modders on ?
20:54 kaeza lots
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20:54 NemoMT Hello :)
20:54 kaeza remember kids: don't ask to ask, just ask :)
20:55 hawk666 well i am working on a car mod, i have added a model for some reason the car drives side ways, how can i set it up so the odel faces the right way ?
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20:56 Leoneof O_o
20:56 Leoneof hello
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20:56 Krock olleh
20:56 hawk666 this is Estebans car mod i am working ib
20:56 NemoMT Hello Leoneof
20:57 Leoneof why i am here?
20:57 ulla hi all
20:57 NemoMT Leoneof: MineTest? :P
20:57 NemoMT ulla: Hi :)
20:57 Leoneof no idea
20:57 Leoneof :]
20:57 Krock hawk666, I if it drives sideways, then is the movement code messed up
20:58 hawk666 ok were will i find the movement code ?
20:58 kaeza either that, or the model needs to be rotated 90 degrees
20:58 ulla vanessae is online?
20:59 hawk666 the model needs rotating 90 degrees i would say
21:02 Krock VanessaE, ulla needs your physical presence
21:03 ulla ?
21:04 ulla t no is my friend in minetest
21:05 ulla but some peapole facked my pasword
21:06 Krock could the admins on inchranet help you?
21:06 Krock IRC isis.inchra.net #minetest
21:07 ulla not but now i am banned
21:09 exio4 >isis
21:09 exio4 this is the terrorism
21:09 exio4 conclusion; minetest is used for terrorism
21:09 kaeza :D
21:10 exio4 you are a terrorist modder kaeza
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21:10 * Krock throws a coconut at lemonlake
21:10 lemonlake Excuse me?
21:11 kaeza exio4, http://facesoflions.net/wp-co​ntent/uploads/2012/11/Hay.jpg
21:11 exio4 you are all terrorists, I am reporting you to the internet police
21:11 lemonlake What did I do?
21:11 NemoMT exio4: pls no
21:11 gravgun exio4: oh hai dis iz da police
21:11 Krock lemonlake, yes. I excuse you.
21:11 lemonlake Krock: Thank you
21:12 Krock lemonlake, np
21:12 PenguinDad exio4: no no no we only follow ancient egyptian cults :P
21:12 kaeza quick! encode all your documents in rot13! twice!
21:12 Krock :D a scarecrow
21:12 lemonlake kaeza: no
21:12 lemonlake just no
21:12 Krock kaeza, yes yes.
21:12 kaeza Krock, a straw man :3
21:12 exio4 lol kaeza
21:13 Krock kaeza, that's missing in minetest. strawman mobs
21:15 lemonlake so meshthings are a thing now, if im correctt?
21:15 lemonlake meshnodes*
21:15 twoelk strawmen mobs = scarecrows?
21:16 PenguinDad lemonlake: reading the commit log is too hard for you? :P
21:16 lemonlake i haven't been paying attention to the project for a long time
21:16 kaeza meshthings are nodes, yes
21:16 lemonlake meshthings is just the new name now, isn't it
21:17 ulla servers, I have been banned, belong to Vanessa
21:17 lemonlake good englishing you are
21:17 Krock twoelk, no no. must be strawmen
21:18 ulla lol sorry for my bad english
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21:18 lemonlake oh we're on 0.4.11 now, didn't notice
21:18 Krock we're not
21:19 lemonlake looking towards, i meant
21:19 NemoMT lemonlake: You got my hopes up
21:19 lemonlake rofl
21:19 Krock Added 3 new and updated 3 mods in the search engine
21:20 Krock I wonder if there are suggestions to extend it
21:20 kaeza ulla, go here: https://kiwiirc.com/client​/irc.inchra.net/#minetest
21:21 kaeza enter your nickname, and click "Start" or whatever
21:21 kaeza there are other moderators online ATM
21:21 ulla t but iknow only vanessa
21:21 twoelk she is trying to get unbanned
21:23 waressearcher2 to what version of minecraft you compare minetest ?
21:23 PenguinDad waressearcher2: none
21:24 exio4 waressearcher2: do you compare trucks with buses
21:24 ulla other  no know me vanessa is fiduc
21:24 lemonlake ^
21:24 lemonlake ninja'd
21:24 waressearcher2 are there zombies,skeletons,creepers,cows,sheeps, chickens in minetest ?
21:24 Jordach no
21:24 waressearcher2 any mobs ?
21:25 kaeza yes, via one of the various mob mods
21:25 waressearcher2 I'm trying to compile celeron55-minetest-0.4.dev-20120408-21-g388906a right now, haven't played it yet
21:25 exio4 -2012
21:25 kaeza wat
21:25 exio4 did you know we are in 2014?
21:25 lemonlake exio4: I would prefer a truck over a bus because you can fit more people in it due to the lack of seats, which take up a significant area of the vehicle
21:25 twoelk waressearcher2: http://wiki.minetest.net/Mobs some mobs listed there
21:25 waressearcher2 I have only that source
21:26 exio4 lemonlake: I prefer combi-like vehicles :3
21:26 kaeza waressearcher2, https://github.com/minetest/minetest <-- latest sources
21:26 waressearcher2 kaeza: maybe later when I got decent internet
21:27 kaeza https://github.com/minetes​t/minetest/tree/stable-0.4 <-- this one for latest "(not so) stable"
21:27 shadowzone ulla: what's goin' on?
21:28 lemonlake exio4: they're quite cool but you can't use them for mass transportation
21:28 waressearcher2 also why its source doesn't use "configure" script ?
21:28 exio4 my family doesn't have any truck lemonlake, only bus & http://imganuncios.mitula.net/asia_motors_hi_top​ic_slxsdxdlx_full_diesel_100535029308107661.jpg
21:28 kaeza well, you are trying to compile the program from 2 years ago... at best, you will find it playable, for a very broad definition of playable
21:29 Jordach because fuck yo standards, aka that thing they call systemd
21:29 twoelk it might play with his nerves
21:29 exio4 >standards
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21:30 * kaeza whispers something about competing standards and needing a new one to unify the rest
21:31 exio4 an xkcd for every moment, http://xkcd.com/927/
21:32 twoelk unavoidable
21:34 ulla shdow
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22:06 Fritigern RealBadAngel: Another waypoints related server crash : http://paste.kde.org/pmrulpjvt
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22:37 lemonlake what happened
22:37 lemonlake what is occuring
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22:39 lemonlake >.<
22:43 Megaf why?
22:44 PenguinDad Trap induced headaches and hallucinations I'd guess
22:44 exio4 I like that
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23:07 casimir Some time ago someone wrote an oven like node that would turn cobble in gravel and gravel in sand and so on. Does someone know where I can find this?
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23:08 kaeza casimir, technic grinder?
23:08 lemonlake ^
23:09 casimir I was looking for something more simple.
23:09 casimir I found that it was in LogoSkyBock, but the link is dead.
23:10 casimir https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=6851
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23:10 PenguinDad Revive the link then
23:10 lemonlake its not on his github
23:11 PenguinDad casimir: this one? https://github.com/PilzAdam/LogoSkyBl​ock/tree/master/mods/crushingfurnace
23:11 lemonlake https://github.com/PilzAdam/LogoSkyBlock
23:11 lemonlake ninja'd
23:12 nejni-marji I'm trying to make a custom texture for leaves and the alpha layer is just showing up as white.
23:12 casimir Thank you.
23:12 lemonlake nejni-marji: what software are you utilising?
23:12 nejni-marji GIMP 2.
23:13 lemonlake does it posess an alpha channel?
23:13 nejni-marji Yes.
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23:17 lemonlake TIL mediacrush is on github
23:19 waressearcher2 I have a problem running minetest
23:19 lemonlake waressearcher2: Elaborate
23:19 waressearcher2 http://sprunge.us/ePCE this is output
23:19 waressearcher2 it starts the game and then after 2 seconds it prints "Aborted"
23:20 lemonlake how old is that version
23:21 VanessaE waressearcher2: if you got a version that mentions "celeron55" in the folder, it's olllllld
23:21 waressearcher2 what is the problem ?
23:21 VanessaE get the sources from https://github.com/minetest/minetest
23:21 VanessaE and build it
23:21 lemonlake waressearcher2: Please try compiling from the source code 388906a
23:21 waressearcher2 you can't release version that is not working, it is should work
23:21 lemonlake https://github.com/minetest/minetest
23:21 lemonlake *
23:21 VanessaE or get the official release from minetest.net
23:21 waressearcher2 don't
23:21 lemonlake waressearcher2: that is not a release
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23:22 lemonlake Can't tell if troll or just ignorant :/
23:22 VanessaE troll.
23:22 exio4 both
23:22 lemonlake lol
23:22 exio4 a good troll would know what he is talkin' about
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23:37 Megaf freeminer-celeron55-0.3 works
23:38 Megaf freeminer is better than minetest
23:39 Megaf well, good night
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23:43 NemoMT Goodnight Megaf
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