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00:03 Cylus zBuilder: The alias trick works well, though just like the ABM trick, you will need to leave the alias as long as the world exists, as you won't know when the last node has been converted.
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00:29 zBuilder haha I couldn't seem to get it to work, maybe I misunderstand. but I made a recipe that will convert it and that works so now I can change the items in my inventory
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00:40 marioxcc what would you recommend for system monitoring and e-mail alert generation?
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01:13 AgentFire Are there any dedicated hunger games servers on here?
01:13 Nerotic Maybe. Check the server list.
01:14 Nerotic I don't really play Minetest anymore, I just mess around with the code, and test occasionally.
01:14 AgentFire Ahh, I'd like to kill people x3
01:14 AgentFire I mean, swords are kind of useless with no PvP and no mobs
01:15 zBuilder some games have Mobs and there are mods to add them(?)
01:15 marioxcc what would you guys recommend for system monitoring and e-mail alert generation?
01:18 AgentFire zBuilder: Yeah, but a lot of servers don't
01:19 zBuilder ah. I only played on a couple servers, but the ones I tried the spawning was funny(started in a wall, and then basically fell through on one side to a very small world with only 2 platform-like things). the other ones ar eprobably better but I'm not sure how I'd do in the,
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02:04 AgentFire Can somebody who is playing minetest on a computer play with someone who is playing minetest on a phone?
02:09 Thenextlevel yes
02:09 Thenextlevel if they cant connect to the same sever
02:10 Thenextlevel can not cant
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02:34 * AgentFire passes people the bacon pringles
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03:20 sloantothebone привет mrtux
03:30 mrtux wat
03:38 fling Hello.
03:38 fling I want to interconnect bitcoind and money mods.
03:42 sloantothebone mrtux it's russian for hello, pronounced privyet
03:42 sloantothebone fling what is money mods?
03:48 fling mrtux: 안녕 in korean, pronounced anyoung
03:49 fling sloantothebone: money mod adds money or economy
03:57 VanessaE fling: regarding bitcoind... use PND instead :)
03:58 sloantothebone Why do you say bitcoind? it's bitcoin, not bitcoind
03:58 fling VanessaE: what is pnd?
03:58 VanessaE sloantothebone: bitcoind as in the daemon
03:58 fling sloantothebone: I'm mostly typing bitcoind word not bitcoin because of the app name.
03:58 VanessaE fling: Pandacoin (PND is the symbol).  pandacoinpnd.org
03:59 mrtux fling, sloantothebone: i'm using a CLI irc client and it just appeared as question marks for me
04:00 sloantothebone oh lol
04:00 fling mrtux: I'm using irssi and it works fine here. You are probably missing unicode and/or fonts.
04:00 sloantothebone I'm using hexchat
04:00 mrtux I'm using weechat through ssh on rxvt-unicode
04:00 fling sloantothebone: Привет, поцанчик.
04:01 fling mrtux: awesome -> urxvtc -> urxvtd -> mosh-client -> mosh-server -> screen -> irssi
04:01 mrtux heh
04:02 mrtux i use i3
04:02 fling VanessaE: why panda?
04:02 fling mrtux: I'm about to try it someday.
04:02 mrtux it's really nice
04:02 VanessaE fling: it's a smaller currency than bitcoin, easier for the masses to understand, cheaper.
04:02 fling VanessaE: I want my players to mine satoshis :D
04:04 VanessaE well..
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04:04 VanessaE I like PND, what can I say :)
04:04 fling VanessaE: I like your mods.
04:04 VanessaE thanks :)
04:05 n4x also, hi
04:05 fling All these trees things are awesome.
04:05 fling n4x: Hello.
04:05 n4x \o/
04:05 n4x how is it going, wild shibes
04:05 fling sloantothebone: Как жизнь?
04:06 sloantothebone not sure what жизнь means
04:07 sloantothebone *uses google translate* I am fine thank you
04:08 * sloantothebone doesn't know all the words
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05:15 freelikegnu VanessaE: loving your plantlife and more trees :D
05:16 VanessaE :D
05:16 freelikegnu I added it to my carbone server
05:16 freelikegnu my kids love it too
05:16 VanessaE glad you guys like them :)
05:17 freelikegnu best part is plants and trees in caves
05:18 freelikegnu before using your mod, I was manually planting sapplings in caves
05:18 freelikegnu now htat is optional
05:18 freelikegnu it more fun to discover underground growth
05:39 Fritigern VanessaE: I have an idea for the flowers mod. Seeds! I would think 2 flowers yield 2 seeds. This would allow for the creation of dye farms.
05:40 VanessaE flowers will already spread by default
05:40 VanessaE or at least, they're supposed to
05:40 VanessaE that's something you should first talk to sfan5, nore, or other minetest_game guys about
05:41 VanessaE see what they say.  if not, I might be able to wedge it into flowers_plus
05:41 Fritigern Yes, they are supposed to spread (which they won;t when using mg, i blame mg for that). But can the user control where they spread to?
05:42 Fritigern If you have seeds that can be sown, then you can grow the flowers in neat rows
05:42 VanessaE the user can't precisely control where the flowers spread to, no
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05:47 MinetestBot [git] KodexKy -> minetest/minetest: Fix raillike bug (currently manifests itself on Android), and minor improvement to readability. b9bc8da http://git.io/w0N-Pg (2014-11-20T15:41:59+10:00)
05:52 Miner_48er Fritigern bonemeal has a similar function https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5429
05:53 Fritigern Miner_48er: But it will not let you grow a row of blue flowers next to a row of yellow ones, etc.
05:54 Miner_48er you may have to write a mod for it i don't know of any that do that
05:55 Fritigern LOL! I was already typing something along those lines
05:55 Fritigern Of course, i could try and wrestle some LUA into submission, making a mod that depends on the flowers mod and that creates seeds accorsding to my recipe
05:55 Fritigern But the issue is that i don;t know lua
05:56 Miner_48er here's the manual http://www.lua.org/manual/5.2/
05:56 Fritigern I suppose there are no noob-level mod writing tutorials, huh?
05:57 Fritigern And that manual is not helpful, it is not minetest-specific. I need super simple code, almost easy enough for a baby to understand.
05:58 VanessaE I refuse to ever support bonemeal in any mod
05:58 Miner_48er http://dev.minetest.net/Intro
05:58 VanessaE that's just plain TOO MUCH like MC.
06:01 Fritigern Miner_48er: so i had a quick look at that wiki page, and the first issue i run into is the groups thing. A seed should go into which group?
06:02 Miner_48er none of them
06:03 Fritigern And i geuss it also wouldn;t need an ABMK, whatever the heck ABM may stand for
06:04 Fritigern That WIKI page almost raises more questions than it answers
06:04 Fritigern It's great if you aleready know what is what, i guess
06:05 Miner_48er try learning from some basic mods
06:05 Fritigern can you suggest me one or more?
06:07 Miner_48er bucket
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06:39 fling sloantothebone_: why are you using 'привет' word then? :P
06:56 AgentFire Is there a bank mod
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08:16 ThatGraemeGuy AgentFire: there's the currency mod that gives steady income to active players, shops and barter tables, but no banks as such
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11:04 CWz anyone here know which mod adds the places menu for modmenu/inventory_plus
11:04 kaeza mornings
11:04 CWz mornings kaeza
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11:40 Jordach I. FEEL. WRONG.
11:40 Jordach >AMD CPU >nVidia GTX 750ti
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12:19 Zeno` Fritigern, if it's a bug with plantslib make a PR for Vanessa ;)
12:20 Fritigern Well, that's the thing. I don;lt know if i have corrected an actual bug, or if i messed up something that was supposed to be the way it was.
12:20 Zeno` Where is the change again?
12:20 Fritigern Line 502 and 503, changed spawn_plants to biome.spawn_plants
12:21 Zeno` gimme URL! :D
12:21 Fritigern Those two lines are the only places where spawn_plants occur like that
12:21 Fritigern Oh, hold on!
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12:22 Zeno` I see it
12:22 Zeno` that's a bug
12:23 Fritigern https://github.com/VanessaE/plantlife_m​odpack/blob/master/plants_lib/init.lua
12:24 Zeno` good find
12:24 Fritigern I wouldn;t have found it if my debug.log wasn;t full of hints :-)))))
12:26 Fritigern BTW, farming has undeclared globals too. And bushes do, ad mg does... and... blah blah blah a lot more. :-)
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12:27 Fritigern So, i take it that from now on, the use of uninitialized globals is a bigger no-no than before?
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12:29 Zeno` looks like it :)
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12:30 Zeno` sssssssshhhhhhhhh there is a spy here
12:31 Fritigern LOL
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12:38 kaeza Fritigern, more generally, don't use globals unless you absolutely must
12:39 n4x Zeno`: weeks of months? I envy you!
12:40 kaeza (and even then, the only reasons I see for "absolutely must" are either defining a single global table as a namespace, or supporting old code)
12:40 * kaeza hugs n4x
12:40 n4x weeks intead of months**
12:40 n4x \o kaeza
12:40 * n4x hugs back
12:41 Megaf Hi, how do I revert a git pull?
12:41 Jordach git revert <commit id>
12:41 Megaf I want to go one commit before
12:42 Jordach ~120fps in Minetest
12:42 Jordach wow
12:42 Megaf ok, thanks
12:43 Zeno` haha
12:43 Fritigern The vines mod too causes a warning. In this case,m the variable is inside an ABM definition. Can i safely change that into a local var? Or would that make things go boom?
12:43 Zeno` Jordach, is 120fps good?
12:43 Jordach Zeno`, ya
12:43 Zeno` cool
12:44 n4x for Zeno`, it is slow isn't it?
12:44 n4x I mean, he has like 40 GPUs in parallel and an overclocked cpu at 5GHz
12:44 Zeno` n4x, when I was writing the code I think I went from 900fps max to 1500fpx to >2000fps max
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12:45 Zeno` my aim is for everybody to get >40fps, but lights are a problem
12:45 n4x what
12:45 * sfan5 meows at Zeno`
12:45 Fritigern Oh, i think i have my answer. It looks like the var is what i call a helper var, it's used to store the value of another var so that math can be done with it
12:46 Zeno` I still can't get >20fps on VanessaE's survival server at spawn
12:46 Zeno` so that is something that needs looking at :(
12:46 * Zeno` purrs at sfan5
12:46 n4x Zeno`: I have a GPU that can't play _superhexagon_ without lagging, should I get 40FPS too?
12:47 Zeno` nx4, the bottleneck is CPU-side not GPU
12:47 Zeno` and after my last few commits I am struggling to get much improvement at all
12:48 Zeno` might be at the limit
12:49 Zeno` and it may be months r.e. the food lol
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12:50 n4x heh
12:50 Zeno` rice is cheap
12:51 Zeno` rice with ketchup; rice with soy sauce; rice with chilli sauce; rice with squeeze of lemon <--- my diet in the near future
12:52 Zeno` rice with... rice!
12:52 Zeno` yummo!
12:53 n4x if I bought a samsung galaxy, my diet would be that for like a year
12:53 n4x tech is expensive
12:53 Megaf the last commit in minetest fucked up everything again
12:53 Zeno` which commit Megaf?
12:54 Megaf Thats the worst mess I have ever seen in my server
12:54 Zeno` That's not the last commit
12:54 Megaf Zeno`:
12:54 Megaf From https://github.com/minetest/minetest                                                                                    │nit.lua:480
12:54 Megaf 55e4c35..b9bc8da  master     -> origin/master                                                                             │07:31:03: WARNING: Undeclared global variable "handle_timer" accessed at ...ds/minetest-mod-mesecon​s/mesecons_luacontroller/i
12:54 Megaf Updating 55e4c35..b9bc8da
12:54 Megaf was kicked by ShadowBot: Paste flood detected. Use a pastebin like pastebin.ubuntu.com or gist.github.com.
12:54 Fritigern Megaf: It's the mods that are messed up. This commit only exposes the problems
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12:54 Zeno` yeah, that's not because of the last commit
12:54 Fritigern Megaf: It's the mods that are messed up. This commit only exposes the problems
12:54 Megaf Fritigern: really?
12:55 Fritigern Yup. I am currently hunting down the issues in the mods and fixing them
12:55 Megaf so the server is fine and so is minetest?
12:55 Zeno` the actual commit is a6ba042c
12:55 Fritigern Especially plants_lib was causing lots of console spam becausse of a tiny oversight
12:56 Zeno` Fritigern, apart from the warnings do things work?
12:56 Fritigern Zeno`: As far as i can tell, it does
12:56 Zeno` yep, I guess that was the intention then
12:57 Fritigern The console plants_lib cuased a lot of lines to be added to debug.log, and that slowed down stuff. But once i had fixed that, the slow down was gone
12:58 Zeno` I *do* think this should have been delayed until after 0.4.11 was released but such is life
12:59 Zeno` in the long run it will improve things of course
12:59 Fritigern So what i understand is that in Lua, if you don;t tell the script that a variable is a local variable (local my_var), it will always be a global
13:00 Megaf Zeno`: Fritigern
13:00 Megaf http://paste.debian.net/plain/132623
13:00 Megaf at least there is no errors related to my mods that I use in my server
13:00 Fritigern Megaf: http://pastebin.com/ju4wAzHN
13:01 Megaf Ok, so, what am I suposed to do now?
13:01 Megaf Just run the server as usual?
13:02 Zeno` Yes, running the server as usual *should* be fine
13:02 Zeno` but, also contact the mod authors (they'll discover soon enough, but better to do it...)
13:02 Fritigern Yes, unless you want to run a slightly earlier version
13:02 Megaf I will report those errors on mods githubs
13:03 Fritigern Megaf, i am currently working on plantlife, and wil be taking on mg. Just so you know
13:03 Megaf Fritigern: I will report unified_inventory, worldedit and mesecons
13:03 Megaf and homedecor
13:04 Zeno` poor Vanessa :(
13:04 Megaf Zeno`: witch commit is that?
13:04 Megaf Zeno`: at least Fritigern is already working on plantlife
13:04 Zeno` yep :)
13:05 Fritigern Megaf: You mway want to report some of the other technic mods instead. It's not unified_inventory that is causing the issues.
13:05 Megaf Fritigern: I have no technic on my server, I have only unified_inventory
13:06 Fritigern Zeno`: I agree. I feel bad for VanessaE. She has put her heart and soul into these mods, and for the longest time, there seemed nothing wrong with them
13:06 Fritigern Hmmm. I should have a look at you rlog again then
13:06 n4x I want a programmable calculator
13:06 Fritigern Ah, i see now!
13:07 n4x but a decent one is really expensive ;_;
13:07 n4x (and a not-that-decent, still expensive)
13:07 Fritigern n4x: get a child. You can program him/her and you can have him/her do your math for you. Bam!
13:07 kilbith sfan5: http://irc.minetest.ru/minet​est-dev/2014-11-19#i_4026366
13:07 kilbith thanks to do that
13:07 Zeno` Fritigern, I think most of them are easily fixed
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13:08 Fritigern I think so too, but they also need to be fixed by the modders themselves., And that's the biggie
13:08 n4x Fritigern: I don't think that would work quite easily, based on the little fact that I am not even 18
13:08 Fritigern Not all modders are speedy when it comes to updating their mods and/or fixing brokenness
13:08 Zeno` There actually isn't anything "wrong" with them now either; they just pollute the global namespace which can be an issue
13:09 Fritigern n4x, i lost my viginity at age 15. I may or may not have fathersed several children between age 15 and age 17...
13:09 Zeno` Fritigern, that's why I said that my personal opinion is that it should have been delayed to 0.5.0, but we need to deal with the hand we're dealt :)
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13:10 Zeno` It's there now and it's not the end of the world. I guess some older mods are going to take time to catch up though :/
13:10 Fritigern Zeno`: I do agree that this is not a very good time to have MT do this. We're very close to 4.11, i see no reason why it had to be committed NOW
13:10 n4x it is a nice way to force modders to write a little better code
13:10 Fritigern There was no urgency, it was not as if not having this commit would have ben a show stopper
13:11 Fritigern It is, but it did not have to be added to MT now. Now is a very bvery bad time and there are other, bigger issues than pollutedd namespaces
13:11 Megaf I will report on mesegates too
13:12 Zeno` Yep, I agree, but there is not point dwelling on what might have been
13:12 Zeno` no point*
13:12 Fritigern Megaf: I will also be submitting fixes, so that the modders do not have to go and hunt down everything themselves
13:12 n4x for the 0.5.0 release, we'll have a little better quality on mods than we have now, hopefully
13:13 n4x it isn't going to be magic that will convert ugly code into a beautiful beast
13:13 Megaf Fritigern: ok, after I finish the reporting I will give you the links of my reports
13:13 Megaf Most doesnt seem hard to fix
13:13 Zeno` I think that most of the most popular mods only have minor issues with this anyway
13:13 Fritigern Megaf: that was not what i meant.
13:13 Zeno` although I don't actually know, I just suspect
13:13 Megaf :P
13:13 n4x if they had more than minor issues, someone should burn them away
13:15 Megaf is Uberi still active?
13:15 Megaf lots of open issues on world edit
13:15 Megaf somebody may want to fork it and keep developing it
13:15 Zeno` They were alive about a month ago when I reported an issue
13:15 kaeza sfan_5 is active there
13:16 Zeno` So is Uberi because they were the one who addressed my issue
13:16 kaeza oh wait, I was thinking about Jeija
13:17 PenguinDad kaeza: y u no zero-width space?
13:17 * Zeno` banishes kaeza to the naughty corner
13:17 kaeza PenguinDad
13:17 kaeza did that work?
13:18 kaeza Zeno`, :(
13:18 PenguinDad kae​za: nope
13:18 Zeno` ok I relent. you may leave the naughty corner
13:23 Megaf lol, the very first issue on mesegates. https://github.com/asiekierka/mesegates/issues/1
13:24 Megaf In my opinion mesegates was perfect
13:24 Megaf I have never had any problem with mods from asie
13:24 Megaf !seen asie
13:24 MinetestBot Megaf: asie was last seen at 2014-11-03 14:31:52 UTC on #minetest
13:25 Megaf only three warnings on mesecons, https://github.com/Jeija/mi​netest-mod-mesecons/issues
13:27 Megaf !tell Calinou Hi there, some warnings on moreblocks. http://paste.debian.net/plain/132623
13:27 MinetestBot Megaf: I'll pass that on when Calinou is around
13:27 Megaf !seen Uberi
13:27 MinetestBot Megaf: uberi was last seen at 2013-12-11 21:01:44 UTC on #minetest
13:31 Megaf Fritigern: Zeno`: intlib is an undeclared global variavel in more than one mod
13:31 Megaf on unified_inventory and on moreblocks
13:31 Megaf I don't understand that
13:32 Zeno` a variegravel?
13:32 Fritigern Megaf: Here is the post that i just made in the plantlife topic https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.ph​p?f=11&amp;t=3898&amp;p=162396#p162396
13:33 kaeza Megaf, can you post some such warning?
13:33 Fritigern kaeza: This is Megaf's log : http://paste.debian.net/plain/132623
13:33 kaeza nevermind
13:34 Fritigern LOL! One second apart :-)
13:34 kaeza yeah, just seen that link
13:34 Megaf kaeza: https://github.com/Megaf?tab=activity
13:35 Megaf I believed I reported all warning but plantlife that Fritigern is working on and moreblocks where I sent a memo to Calinou
13:35 kaeza ...
13:35 kaeza this is due to the change in intllib scheme
13:36 Fritigern Hmmm bushes didn;t like my changes. Of course it shows the issue AFTER i posted the message....
13:36 kaeza the old way worked fine... WHY SN WHY??
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13:37 Megaf Fritigern: that happens to me all the time
13:38 Fritigern Looks like the global is supposed to be an actual globbal in this case.....
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13:50 Megaf https://github.com/minetest-technic/unified​_inventory/issues/19#issuecomment-63809813
13:53 Megaf gtg
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14:09 Fritigern I have edited my post again, i made a big mistake when fixing the bushes mod. Also added a bit more info for the readers. https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.ph​p?f=11&amp;t=3898&amp;p=162396#p162396
14:10 Fritigern And why am i doing this? Because i hate complaining about stuff not working without being able to suggest a solution.
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14:25 Zeno` :)
14:27 Zeno` Does anyone know who KodexKy is?
14:29 Fritigern Never heard of him/her
14:30 PenguinDad Zeno`: a contributor to minetest ;)
14:30 Fritigern OKay, i am a sleepy friti, i will tackle the issues with mg after i wake up
14:31 * Fritigern waves!
14:31 kaeza away nicks kill :(
14:32 kaeza won't anybody think of the children??
14:32 * PenguinDad gets noscoped by aw​ay nicks
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14:33 Zeno` PenguinDad, I knew I'd heard of them!
14:34 PenguinDad lol
14:37 shadowzone huh?
14:39 Zeno` huh?
14:39 PenguinDad ?huh
14:40 shadowzone <kaeza> won't anybody think of the children??
14:40 Zeno` I'm more concerned about the insane
14:41 Zeno` like
14:41 Zeno` me
14:41 shadowzone Oh..
14:41 Zeno` won't anyone think of the zenos?
14:41 PenguinDad and me
14:41 ElectronLibre Won't anyone think of the penguins?! :'(
14:41 Zeno` poor penguins :(
14:41 Zeno` let's start a website
14:42 * PenguinDad is 50% penguin and 50% cat :3
14:42 Zeno` < errr what goes after < at the top of html?
14:42 Zeno` this might take a while
14:43 ElectronLibre Zeno`, I've never been able to remember what there was after and in the html tag..
14:43 Zeno` I will develop the website using LibreOffice and export to HTML then
14:44 ElectronLibre Good idea. I didn't even know LibreOffice could do that.
14:44 Zeno` I don't know either
14:44 Zeno` so it could take even longer than I thought
14:45 Zeno` oh dear
14:45 Zeno` I don't even have libreoffice installed
14:45 * PenguinDad meows at Zeno`
14:45 * Zeno` purrs?
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14:45 * ElectronLibre give Zeno` LibreOffice packages.
14:45 Zeno` spy!
14:45 Zeno` sssshhhhhhhhhh
14:45 someguy_irc joined #minetest
14:46 Zeno` another spy!
14:46 Zeno` somespy_irc, hi
14:46 someguy_irc O_O
14:46 someguy_irc Hi.
14:47 someguy_irc Zenie
14:47 Zeno` you have very large eyes
14:47 someguy_irc "O_O"
14:47 Zeno` lol, don't call be zenie :P Only chubbs can call me that :p
14:47 someguy_irc No.
14:47 someguy_irc I can too.
14:47 Zeno` grrr
14:47 someguy_irc wish I would get a new graphics card on my birthday. ._.
14:47 shadowzone His nickname from me is REALLY mean
14:48 Zeno` shadowzone?
14:48 shadowzone Zenie wenie remember?
14:48 someguy_irc O_o
14:48 PenguinDad shaderzone :P
14:48 Zeno` I must have gone into shock and my memory erased it
14:48 someguy_irc ^
14:48 someguy_irc lol
14:49 Zeno` zenie wenie?!
14:49 someguy_irc penguine Daddy?
14:49 someguy_irc lol
14:49 someguy_irc stupid mc launcher..
14:49 Zeno` you call me that shadowzone?
14:49 shadowzone Yep
14:49 shadowzone Lol
14:50 shadowzone My MC launcher works just fine
14:50 someguy_irc the item drops in mc update is MESSED up. :P good thing MT dosent fully have it yet
14:50 Zeno` ok, I like that
14:50 Zeno` you may call me that shadowzone
14:50 shadowzone Lol
14:50 someguy_irc Zeno is the common anglicised form of the Greek name Zenon (Ζήνων), derived from the theonym Zeus. It may refer to: Contents. 1 Historical people.
14:51 someguy_irc source :Wikipedia
14:51 Zeno` Thanks someguy_irc
14:51 someguy_irc :P
14:51 someguy_irc No prob, Ζήνων
14:51 Zeno` I am an ancient greek zenie wenie it seems
14:51 someguy_irc Sort of
14:51 someguy_irc en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeno's_paradoxes
14:51 someguy_irc lo
14:51 someguy_irc l*
14:51 someguy_irc dang
14:51 Zeno` :-o
14:52 Zeno` is motion possible?
14:52 someguy_irc idk
14:52 Zeno` Maybe one of my paradoxes addresses that issue
14:52 someguy_irc you are Zeno of MT or, Zeno of elsa?
14:53 n4x Elsa of Frozen
14:53 someguy_irc No.
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14:53 someguy_irc the snowman?
14:53 n4x Elsa is the queen
14:53 n4x Anna the princess
14:53 someguy_irc Zeno` a request..
14:53 n4x Olaf the snowman
14:53 someguy_irc ik
14:53 Zeno` Believe it or not I am Zeno of Elea and I was born in 491BC
14:53 someguy_irc im reffering Zeno` as the snowman
14:53 someguy_irc Yeah Elea*
14:54 someguy_irc I closed chrome tab
14:54 someguy_irc v.v
14:54 someguy_irc Zeno`, are you thinking of enabling snow in MTZ, in Christmas?
14:54 Zeno` no
14:54 Zeno` Should I?
14:55 someguy_irc YES
14:55 someguy_irc :P
14:55 twoelk Zeno`: ever tried http://kompozer.net/ for creating html?
14:55 Zeno` twoelk, whoa! I'll have the website up in no time with this!
14:56 someguy_irc yew.
14:56 twoelk writes better code that any OpenOfficeDerivat in my opinion
14:56 someguy_irc I like notepad++ more then that.
14:56 Zeno` even staroffice?
14:56 someguy_irc I may change my mind if I use it.
14:56 twoelk I use both
14:56 someguy_irc it has ftp so Im thinking to use it with my sites.
14:57 someguy_irc hmmmmm.
14:57 PenguinDad I prefer butterflies for that :P
14:57 someguy_irc or/  sublime text
14:57 twoelk Kompzer for the quick and dirty and some notepad for the tweaks
14:57 Zeno` someguy_irc, what's wrong with vim?
14:57 someguy_irc vim?
14:58 Zeno` yeah, all the cool kids use it
14:58 someguy_irc ?
14:58 Zeno` you really want me to google it for you?
14:58 someguy_irc KompoZer is a complete web authoring system that combines web file management and easy-to-use WYSIWYG web page editing.
14:58 someguy_irc No I don't want to know
14:59 twoelk I#ve got all my stuff hooked with Notepad++ now so I wont change without good reason
14:59 someguy_irc I like making apps/sites from scratch insted of Using a WYSIWYG..
14:59 twoelk Development on Kompozer on the other hand seems to twindle out - sadly
14:59 * shadowzone watches google chrome downloading
14:59 someguy_irc well I don't like it now.
14:59 someguy_irc shadowzone, +1
14:59 shadowzone huh?
15:00 someguy_irc http://www.vim.org/
15:00 someguy_irc huh.
15:00 PenguinDad Zeno`: http://xkcd.com/378/ :P
15:01 someguy_irc A webcomic of romance,
15:01 someguy_irc sarcasm, math, and language.
15:01 someguy_irc lol
15:01 someguy_irc nice
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15:01 shadowzone Lol
15:01 someguy_irc Real programmers use butterfly.
15:01 someguy_irc haha funny.
15:02 someguy_irc Errrr
15:03 someguy_irc http://puu.sh/cYrWS/137b648ac0.jpg
15:03 someguy_irc reference of np++
15:03 someguy_irc gah
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15:09 twoelk except I never paid for np++ lol
15:10 twoelk so if I paid nothing it might be exceptable if I get nothing
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15:16 luizrpgluiz hi
15:17 ElectronLibre Hello luizrpgluiz.
15:17 Wayward_One Hey, can someone help me with this? http://pastebin.com/FYy1U8By
15:19 luizrpgluiz would be possible to put in an implementation minetest as skins in multiplayer as it has in minecraft? eg in multiplayer can put your skin and look the other player custom skin instead of the default skin in the game
15:20 * ElectronLibre gives luizrpgluiz player_textures mod.
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15:27 luizrpgluiz The mod did not work because it is old
15:28 ElectronLibre Oh.. Did it crash the server?
15:29 luizrpgluiz The mod is for older version of minetest, I will not download the older version does not
15:29 PenguinDad luizrpgluiz: player_textures still works on latest dev of minetest
15:30 luizrpgluiz tell that to the crash that took the server
15:30 PenguinDad luizrpgluiz: any error message?
15:31 luizrpgluiz init,lua
15:32 luizrpgluiz init.lua
15:32 luizrpgluiz not have current version, the version here is 0.4.10 minetest
15:33 ElectronLibre It's the current stable version there should be no problem.
15:34 luizrpgluiz here gave error
15:34 luizrpgluiz even opening the command text
15:35 luizrpgluiz ie giving errors in text and graphical mode also
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15:37 ElectronLibre Which error exactly? Can you send it us with a paste (like on pastie.org)?
15:37 luizrpgluiz eu vou mandar uma imagem
15:37 luizrpgluiz ops
15:37 Leoneof uhoooo! why i'm here?
15:37 luizrpgluiz I will send picture
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15:38 luizrpgluiz anybody here speak Portuguese too?
15:39 n4x I speak spanish, does it count?
15:41 AgentFire What does a water turbine do?
15:42 ElectronLibre It generates power, which is given to some mesecons wires.
15:42 AgentFire Ahh okay. One more question.
15:42 AgentFire How do you make a level, two of the items in the recipe aren't showing
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15:43 luizrpgluiz I must be the only one who speaks Portuguese here in the group
15:44 kilbith Megaf speaks portuguese
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15:51 luizrpgluiz I wanted the minetest had the system and login as mudaça skins in minecraft.
15:51 luizrpgluiz ops
15:51 luizrpgluiz hehe
15:51 luizrpgluiz I wanted the minetest had a login system and changing skins as in minecraft.
15:53 someguy_irc luizrpgluiz, I had the same idea.
15:54 luizrpgluiz XD
15:54 someguy_irc having a database online with the skins linked to specific accounts, when logged in will load the texture's from That
15:54 someguy_irc I had this dream Way long time ago.
15:54 luizrpgluiz but no developer has heard or answered on IRC development
15:55 someguy_irc idk.,
15:55 n4x that sounds cool for a mod
15:55 someguy_irc too stupid?
15:55 someguy_irc Yep defenetly
15:55 someguy_irc or a new "client..."
15:55 n4x not for the game itself
15:55 Zeno` yeah we don't like speaking
15:55 n4x nah someguy_irc
15:55 someguy_irc which already has the  login system
15:55 someguy_irc insted of each servers storing out passwords.
15:55 someguy_irc lo
15:55 someguy_irc server*
15:56 someguy_irc dang
15:56 Zeno` I've actually heard that he devs cannot type!
15:56 someguy_irc k brb
15:56 Zeno` Sad, but true :(
15:56 someguy_irc making redstone inventions
15:56 someguy_irc that are Massively useless ;)
15:57 marktraceur > he devs cannot type
15:57 marktraceur gj Zeno`
15:59 luizrpgluiz would be good to change the client's minetest and take tests, the database can be the forum minetest own and there could use their own servers to authenticate the login and woe connect the skin to her doll
16:01 someguy_irc hmm..
16:02 marktraceur luizrpgluiz: Centralization is a bristle-inducing subject around this kind of project, though
16:04 luizrpgluiz but it would be very good players for us, although the client could be changed to make this system as it has in minecraft
16:04 marktraceur luizrpgluiz: A server could definitely do this, but having it be the forums is unlikely
16:04 marktraceur luizrpgluiz: And Minetest isn't a Minecraft clone :)
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16:06 luizrpgluiz I know, but think a bit, the database server of the forum can be used to login minetest system, if that changes the game client
16:07 someguy_irc luizrpgluiz, I never seen someone soo passionate on a topic
16:07 someguy_irc good luck.
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16:08 luizrpgluiz XD
16:08 someguy_irc https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/independent/ :)
16:12 marktraceur luizrpgluiz: I guarantee you nobody will use that
16:12 marktraceur luizrpgluiz: If minetest core implemented that, someone would fork and remove the login system, and everyone would use that client instead.
16:13 marktraceur I'm sure as hell not logging into the minetest forums to play a local game
16:13 someguy_irc who said about local sp?
16:13 luizrpgluiz then it would be good to implement this
16:13 marktraceur someguy_irc: I didn't say single-player
16:13 someguy_irc Hmm oh I get it now
16:14 marktraceur someguy_irc: I have a server on my desktop, I use clients on my desktop and my laptop to play on my LAN.
16:14 someguy_irc Hmmm.,
16:14 marktraceur Not only would players have to implicitly trust a forum software they don't necessarily know to play the game, the server hosts would have to do the same, and security wouldn't necessarily be served
16:14 marktraceur luizrpgluiz: How do you figure?
16:15 luizrpgluiz yes, but everyone gets sick of wearing the same skin in multiplayer
16:15 marktraceur I don't
16:15 someguy_irc both of your decision have pro's and cons.
16:15 marktraceur And there are ways to solve that that aren't centralized.
16:15 someguy_irc or thoughts*
16:15 luizrpgluiz I use the default skin minetest
16:16 freelikegnu ingame skin browser?
16:17 luizrpgluiz I wish there was a way to use my modified skin in multiplayer without having to install outdated multiplayer mods
16:18 someguy_irc I don't understand what you are talking about?
16:19 marktraceur There's a player skins mod that has skins for specific players
16:19 marktraceur And you can add them yourself
16:19 someguy_irc ^
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16:19 freelikegnu would be cool to "craft" a skin like having features like eye type, hair type, mouth type to craft a face block
16:19 marktraceur But it's server-side and hard to update
16:19 someguy_irc freelikegnu, thats just...
16:19 someguy_irc :P you know.
16:19 freelikegnu silly?
16:19 marktraceur freelikegnu: Not sure that would work...I think skins are loaded on server start
16:19 someguy_irc yes.
16:19 luizrpgluiz I do not want to have to install mods that change the skin in multiplayer for me to see the same skin minetest
16:19 someguy_irc marktraceur, no.
16:19 freelikegnu well armor can be put on in game
16:20 someguy_irc marktraceur, there is a skin chooser mod
16:20 freelikegnu would not a similar system work?
16:20 someguy_irc Idk
16:20 marktraceur someguy_irc: Chooser, yes, but those skins are probably all loaded already
16:20 someguy_irc Actually yes.
16:20 someguy_irc a "database"
16:20 marktraceur Creating new skins in-game wouldn't work
16:20 someguy_irc ^
16:20 luizrpgluiz I do not want to have to install mods that change the skin in multiplayer for me to see the same skin minetest
16:21 marktraceur Unless you loaded *every possible combination*
16:21 someguy_irc well Im off to redstone'in again brb
16:21 freelikegnu with armor you can create many combinations for what you body looks like from just a few sets
16:22 someguy_irc he means infinity...
16:22 someguy_irc dang it
16:22 someguy_irc ._.
16:23 Jordach someguy_irc, there aren't infinite combinations
16:24 someguy_irc Jordach, hmmmm
16:25 Amaz Not possible.
16:25 * Jordach loves his shiny new GPU
16:25 freelikegnu 8 sets for 4 body parts is 4096 possible combinations already
16:26 someguy_irc Jordach, ik
16:26 someguy_irc freelikegnu, thats just
16:26 someguy_irc you know/
16:26 someguy_irc would take ages to code that.
16:27 PenguinDad and it would take ages to download all these skins
16:27 Jordach PenguinDad, nope
16:27 freelikegnu I think most of the code is in place
16:27 Jordach texture1.png^texture2.png
16:27 someguy_irc idk.
16:27 freelikegnu it would be 32 textures to download for the 8 sets
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16:28 freelikegnu maybe less
16:28 freelikegnu if all parts of a set are on the same png
16:28 someguy_irc thats gonna take a long time.
16:28 someguy_irc to "craft" the perfect skin.
16:30 freelikegnu dave, this conversation can serve no further purpose
16:30 marktraceur Fewer*
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16:36 Megaf Hi all
16:37 ElectronLibre Hello Megaf.
16:37 Megaf Is there a magical way to rebase?
16:37 VanessaE good morning.  (before you ask, I already fixed those "undeclared glocal" warnings in homedecor and plantlife)
16:37 VanessaE global*
16:38 ElectronLibre Hello VanessaE :). Megaf : git rebase :/
16:38 VanessaE whose ass do I need to kick for making me do all that extra work?
16:38 * VanessaE looks at ShadowNinja and Fritigern_AFK
16:38 AgentFire Me
16:38 AgentFire I make everybody do extra work
16:38 AgentFire It's my nature
16:39 VanessaE (actually to be fair, those were legit bugs :P )
16:39 someguy_irc VanessaE, isnt saying "buttocks" in that way considered cussing* ?
16:39 VanessaE someguy_irc: This is freenode.  this network and channel does not have a language rule like on Inchra.
16:39 someguy_irc oh ok
16:39 marktraceur #fuckcensorship
16:39 marktraceur :)
16:39 someguy_irc well ill stick with my non-swearing attitude.
16:40 AgentFire Wait, so I can go fuckshitassbitchtitspussy and be alright?
16:40 VanessaE marktraceur: indeed; on inchra we keep it family-friendly because there are so many kids around over there.
16:40 marktraceur AgentFire: No
16:40 marktraceur You have herpes now
16:40 someguy_irc ^
16:40 ShadowNinja VanessaE: You're welcome.  :-)
16:40 someguy_irc lol
16:40 VanessaE AgentFire: well preferably as long as it's on-topic
16:40 VanessaE ShadowNinja: you need to rate-limit the warning messages.
16:41 Megaf ElectronLibre: lol, thanks
16:41 ShadowNinja VanessaE: But then it would miss warnings.  Maybe already_warned and "(additional accesses of this variable by this mod ignored)"
16:42 VanessaE something like that maybe
16:42 Megaf I forgot to open issues on 3D armor
16:42 VanessaE folks were saying that those warnings from plants_lib were flooding their logs
16:42 Megaf VanessaE: they are indeed
16:42 VanessaE Megaf: *were
16:43 Megaf was that fixed already?
16:43 Megaf Im not even sure if that is an actual bug
16:43 VanessaE the issues reported against homedecor/fake_fire and plantlife were yeah
16:43 Jordach VanessaE, idling at 26c over here
16:43 VanessaE I pushed fixes for those before I signed on
16:43 Jordach nice and cool
16:43 Megaf VanessaE: cool, I will update right now
16:44 sfan5 Jordach: are we talking about temperatures?
16:44 sfan5 Physical id 0:  +63.0°C  (high = +86.0°C, crit = +100.0°C)
16:44 sfan5 Core 0:         +59.0°C  (high = +86.0°C, crit = +100.0°C)
16:44 sfan5 Core 1:         +63.0°C  (high = +86.0°C, crit = +100.0°C)
16:44 sfan5 was kicked by ShadowBot: Paste flood detected. Use a pastebin like pastebin.ubuntu.com or gist.github.com.
16:44 VanessaE Jordach: nice.
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16:44 sfan5 ShadowNinja: that are 3 lines
16:44 n4x >60C
16:45 ShadowNinja sfan5: And it was a paste flood.
16:45 sfan5 no it was not
16:45 VanessaE sfan5: I got 4 lines, all at once.
16:45 ShadowNinja sfan5: So you typed all of those out?
16:45 sfan5 no
16:45 sfan5 i typed the first one
16:45 Megaf VanessaE: still have these
16:45 sfan5 and pasted 3 lines
16:45 Megaf 11:45:09: WARNING: Assignment to undeclared global "node2" inside a function at ...etest/Server/bin/../mods/pla​ntlife/trunks/generating.lua:4.
16:45 Megaf 11:45:09: WARNING: Assignment to undeclared global "node" inside a function at ...etest/Server/bin/../mods/pla​ntlife/trunks/generating.lua:5.
16:45 VanessaE Megaf: ok.
16:46 VanessaE I'll fix that now
16:46 ShadowNinja sfan5: The timestamps are the same for four of your messages here, and it just kicked you, so it's not a huge deal.
16:46 sfan5 !kick ShadowNinja no, it's not annoying at all. see?
16:46 ShadowNinja was kicked by MinetestBot: no, it's not annoying at all. see?
16:47 Megaf All other things seem to be fixed indeed, no moretrees, plantlifes nor homedecor error besides these two
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16:47 VanessaE Megaf: fixed. d6e9d0a
16:48 Megaf hm
16:48 Megaf VanessaE: you might want to revert that, Im not actually using your mushrooms mod
16:48 Megaf sorry
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16:49 Megaf or am I?
16:49 VanessaE ehm, trunks is unrelated to mushrooms :P
16:49 ShadowNinja sfan5: I didn't say it wasn't annoying.
16:49 Megaf oh, nevermind then
16:49 sfan5 [...]it just kicked you, so it's not a huge deal.
16:49 Megaf trunks fixed indeed
16:49 sfan5 thats basically equivalent
16:49 VanessaE and besides, it was a bug anyway
16:49 sfan5 anyway
16:49 sfan5 see my msg in -staff
16:49 Megaf 11:48:17: WARNING: Assignment to undeclared global "node2" inside a function at /home/minetest/Server/bin/..​/mods/mushroom/compat.lua:3.
16:49 Megaf 11:48:17: WARNING: Assignment to undeclared global "node" inside a function at /home/minetest/Server/bin/..​/mods/mushroom/compat.lua:4.
16:50 VanessaE that's outdated.
16:50 Megaf This is mushroom before being included in plantlife
16:50 VanessaE lemme check the one in plantlife
16:50 Megaf yep, but if I use the new mushrooms mod all my mushroom will turn into pink nodes...
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16:51 VanessaE the one in plantlife doesn't have that piece of code
16:51 rubenwardy Hi all!
16:51 Megaf Hi ruben!
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16:52 VanessaE Megaf: the node names in plantlife's mushroom mod are the same as the ones in Dan's old, separate mod
16:52 VanessaE so you're mixing them up with some other, same-named mod.
16:52 Megaf hm
16:52 Megaf let me check
16:53 VanessaE of course, the one in plantlife doesn't have those stupid, gigantic ones that the separate mod has.
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16:53 VanessaE (they're implemented poorly imho.  sorry Dan)
16:53 coagen hallow folks!
16:56 VanessaE hi
16:56 Megaf Hi there
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17:04 Megaf ElectronLibre: it wont be so simple here
17:04 Megaf ElectronLibre: I had a minetest for where I changed stuff
17:04 Megaf then I submited a pull request
17:04 ElectronLibre Ok, and?
17:04 Megaf now my pull request can be accepted if I rebase it
17:04 Megaf but I no longer have the minetest fork
17:05 ElectronLibre :/
17:05 ElectronLibre The only way to rebase it is to do it from the original fork I suppose.. try to clone and rebase again.. :/
17:05 Megaf ElectronLibre: I guess I will have to change it again and create another pull request
17:05 ElectronLibre I hope not :/
17:06 Megaf im trying to clone my fork here, but sometimes github is so slow...
17:07 Megaf and to make things worse, Im running out of battery
17:07 PenguinDad Megaf: 25 kbyte/s is slow? :P
17:08 Megaf 13KB/s here
17:09 ElectronLibre 15Kb/s :D.
17:09 ElectronLibre I've finally found someone with a connection slower in downloading than mine is..
17:09 Megaf cool, global slowness
17:10 Megaf ElectronLibre: from debian repos Im downloading at avarage of 130 KB/s
17:10 Megaf GIT is 47 KB/s now yay! o/
17:10 ElectronLibre You broke my dreams.
17:11 * ElectronLibre is now under the rain.
17:11 Megaf ElectronLibre: usually my internet is as fast as yours, dont worry :D
17:12 Megaf lol, Im running out of battery on my laptop and on my phone that Im using to tether the connection, Im so screwed
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17:17 Megaf ElectronLibre: ok, how do I apply my pull request to my fork?
17:17 rubenwardy 12 mbps!
17:17 Megaf one way is doenloading the patch
17:17 Megaf downloading*
17:18 Megaf any other way?
17:18 ElectronLibre Have you git rebase-ed your fork's clone?
17:18 n4x ElectronLibre: how fast is your network?
17:18 Megaf ElectronLibre: I made a new fork/clone
17:18 Megaf I dont have that fork anymore, I removed it from github
17:18 ElectronLibre n4x, 15Kb/s down, 5Kb/s up.
17:19 n4x that sounds so 128kbps, 64kbps
17:19 n4x well, sorry
17:19 ElectronLibre Ok Megaf, you're gonna have to download the patch from your pull-request I think.. and then put the modifications into your new fork.
17:19 n4x my network is like 256kbps/256kbps
17:19 Megaf ElectronLibre: ok, I have the .patch file, How do I apply it?
17:20 n4x git apply
17:20 n4x git am?
17:20 Megaf I would google stuff if I had more power
17:20 ElectronLibre I don't know.. I think you have to exctract the code.. How many files did you changed?
17:21 Megaf I will just do stuff by hand
17:21 PenguinDad n4x: my network is like 200kbps/400kbps
17:21 Megaf ElectronLibre: three files
17:21 ElectronLibre Ok, how many lines?
17:21 ElectronLibre Because the only way I see is redo it..
17:22 Megaf https://github.com/minetes​t/minetest/pull/1648/files
17:22 Megaf ElectronLibre: ^
17:26 Megaf ElectronLibre: edited
17:26 Megaf done
17:27 ElectronLibre Ok, new pull now I suppose :s...
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17:30 Megaf ElectronLibre: :D https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/1854
17:30 Megaf My my battery can die in peace
17:30 Megaf Now my*
17:31 Megaf 3%, about 7 minutes
17:31 AgentFire Megaf: Do you have a server?
17:31 * ElectronLibre gives Megaf a cookie as a reward for having rebased successfully.
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17:38 DFeniks cant you put textures in layers for craftable skins ? 1 layer would only contain eyes everything else would be transparent on that layer . etc
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17:43 * Jordach pokes Sokomine
17:43 * Krock pokes Jordach
17:43 Jordach ya
17:43 Krock ye!
17:44 * PenguinDad wings Krock
17:44 * Krock nods
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17:55 btoothpick Greetings
17:56 sfan5 hi
17:56 Krock hi
17:56 ElectronLibre Hello btoothpick.
17:59 AgentFire I need help real quick
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17:59 AgentFire Can somebody test to see if my server works?
17:59 btoothpick link
17:59 AgentFire 174.100.77.236 Port's the default
18:00 ElectronLibre !up 174.100.77.236 30000
18:00 MinetestBot 174.100.77.236:30000 seems to be down
18:00 btoothpick agreed
18:00 AgentFire Dang
18:00 * ElectronLibre gives MinetestBot a cookie.
18:01 Krock AgentFire, UDP, not TCP.
18:01 AgentFire I had it on both
18:07 * Jordach renders something using GPU Compute in Cycles
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18:44 Megaf AgentFire: Yes I do
18:44 Megaf !up mt.megaf.info 30003
18:44 MinetestBot mt.megaf.info:30003 is up (717ms)
18:44 Megaf !server Megaf
18:44 MinetestBot Megaf: Megaf Server v4.0 | mt.megaf.info:30003 | Clients: 4/10, 0/4 | Version: 0.4.10-Megaf / MegafXplore | Ping: 38ms
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18:47 freelikegnu !up freelikegnu.org 30020
18:47 MinetestBot freelikegnu.org:30020 is up (4998ms)
18:47 freelikegnu !server freelikegnu
18:47 MinetestBot freelikegnu: No results
18:47 Megaf freelikegnu: try doing !up replacing domain name by IP
18:48 PenguinDad !up 70.87.222.215 30020
18:48 MinetestBot 70.87.222.215:30020 is up (116ms)
18:48 PenguinDad much nicer ping now
18:50 Krock http://www.labri.fr/perso/n​rougier/images/BabyGnu.png
18:54 freelikegnu !server
18:54 MinetestBot freelikegnu: MidnightSystems | midnightsystems.net | Clients: 0/10, 0/1 | Version: 0.4.10 / minetest | Ping: 652ms
18:56 Megaf Krock: I find that scary
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18:58 hisforever Hi how do run the car mod?
18:58 Krock which car mod?
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19:02 hisforever didn't know there were other car modes
19:03 hisforever I'll get the url for you
19:05 hisforever https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7381 there's the url
19:06 Krock just put it inside mods\ and enable it..
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19:08 freelikegnu where do I put a nice name and description from my servers?
19:09 Krock https://github.com/minetest/minetest/b​lob/master/minetest.conf.example#L262
19:10 freelikegnu many thanks
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19:10 Krock did you really mean that one? I think you already found server_anounce
19:11 Calinou http://paste.ubuntu.com/9102608/
19:11 Calinou also performance settings
19:11 Krock time send interval is ok at 20s
19:11 Krock no need to re-send it all 1
19:11 Krock 0s
19:11 Calinou what if /time is used?
19:12 Calinou or clients lag greatly
19:12 Krock that won't solve lag
19:12 Krock also, line 9 can be increased to 30 without problems IMO
19:14 Calinou big saves may impact server performance more
19:14 Calinou causing lag peaks
19:15 Krock I'm not getting any problems with 180s :3
19:15 Krock as long the server doesn't crash
19:17 Calinou then you lose 3 minutes of work
19:17 Calinou which may be a lot if eg. 4 players mine in a quarry
19:17 Calinou you wasted 12 minutes of human time
19:18 Krock Calinou, look at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZZ7oFKsKzY and see what I mean
19:18 Krock let's say 10'000 guys fully watched it.
19:18 Krock !c 10000 * 10*60*60
19:18 MinetestBot 360000000
19:19 Krock 360'000'000 seconds
19:19 Krock that's damn much wasted time
19:19 rubenwardy !c 360000000 / (24 * 60 * 60 * 365)
19:19 MinetestBot 11.415525114155251
19:20 rubenwardy 11.4 years :O
19:20 Krock yeah.
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19:41 AgentFire Megaf: Does your server have travelnet?
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19:42 hisforever I have the car mode active but where is it?
19:43 PenguinDad Krock: this is wasted time :P https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3yXlomPCmU
19:43 Krock PenguinDad +1
19:46 Megaf AgentFire: it does
19:46 Megaf and we use it a lot
19:47 AgentFire Megaf: Isn't that such a great mod?
19:47 Megaf AgentFire: we have mesecons, pipeworks, bees (with the thing that make it super slow disabled), darkage (with its mapgen now disabled too, to make it faster)
19:47 sol_invictus PenguinDad: lol. this is windows in a nutshell
19:48 AgentFire Ahh, I'm going to have to come then. Although, it won't be fun working my way up to a Travelnet Station
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19:54 Megaf AgentFire: there is one admin online now, if you join soon we can give you interact
19:54 Megaf PenguinDad: you should play on my server =/
19:55 AgentFire Megaf: Give me about five minutes. I'm on another server and my friend just came on
19:55 Megaf ask him to migrate to my server
19:55 Megaf xP
19:55 Megaf Just joking, feel free to play wherever you'd like
19:55 Megaf but me sure to test other servers
19:56 Megaf the LinuxGaming.us is another cool server
19:56 Megaf !up linuxgaming.us
19:56 MinetestBot linuxgaming.us:30000 is up (310ms)
20:04 btoothpick Well, today was the first test the windows 2008 server had and we reached a capacity of 15 users...there was quite a bit of lag.
20:05 Megaf windows sucks for servers
20:05 Megaf and for dekstop too
20:05 Megaf and so for mobiles
20:05 Megaf and tablets
20:05 Megaf and laptops
20:05 ElectronLibre And quite everything.
20:06 btoothpick I'm wonder if I create a virtual machine on the windows 8 server unning linlux if it would run better
20:06 ElectronLibre What was exactly the purpose of this test?
20:06 btoothpick Better than my typing.
20:07 btoothpick Just to show the students the program, and allow them the opportunity to explore a bit. If they show futher interest they can go on at home or during a future gaming club that should start in January.
20:08 ElectronLibre Ok. How old are they (in average)?
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20:10 btoothpick This group was 12-14
20:10 btoothpick However, I have a number of 5-7 that play too.
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20:10 ElectronLibre Ok. Good.
20:11 ElectronLibre I don't know if a linux virtual machine could be better, it depends on a lot of things, but you can try.
20:11 btoothpick Do you know how many clients the public servers usually accomodate?
20:12 btoothpick I want the experience to be positive if the students start using this from home.
20:12 btoothpick Up until today there has never been more than 4 clients.
20:13 ElectronLibre I see. So the results are good for the moment?
20:13 freelikegnu more_chests looks cool Megaf
20:14 freelikegnu though I am not currently using pipeworks
20:14 Megaf freelikegnu: Its not my idea nor my code. I just got an abandoned mod and updated it
20:14 Megaf but yes, its a fantastic mod
20:14 btoothpick Going to try these settings: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php​?f=10&amp;t=7879&amp;hilit=server+speed
20:14 Megaf I think Calinou did the first more_chest, maybe
20:15 freelikegnu too bad its not part of carbone
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20:29 Megaf freelikegnu: hm, it could be
20:29 Megaf they have one mod from me, 3d armor
20:30 Megaf oh, I almost reported a bug on 3d armor, totally forgot that I had forked it
20:33 freelikegnu 3d armor is cool too
20:34 freelikegnu I'd like to use that to make some kind of custom skin crafting mod
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20:45 mitrom Greetings
20:48 Megaf I have no idea how to fix the mod tho
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20:53 ShadowNinja ~up shadowninja.minetest.net 30008
20:53 ShadowBot ShadowNinja: shadowninja.minetest.net port 30008 is up (312ms)
20:53 ShadowNinja ~up shadowninja.minetest.net 30008
20:53 ShadowBot ShadowNinja: shadowninja.minetest.net port 30008 is up (3ms)
20:53 ShadowNinja 3ms :-D
20:53 ShadowNinja I've gotten 1ms.
20:54 * Jordach has had -1ms
20:56 ShadowNinja "Jeff Dean was forced to invent asynchronous APIs one day when he optimized a function so that it returned before it was invoked."
20:56 ShadowNinja :-P
20:56 n4x http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJITidATnKM
20:57 n4x this guy's voice isn't neat
20:58 Megaf ~up mt.megaf.info 30003
20:58 ShadowBot Megaf: mt.megaf.info port 30003 is up (211ms)
20:58 Megaf ~up mt.megaf.info 30003
20:58 ShadowBot Megaf: mt.megaf.info port 30003 is up (114ms)
20:58 Megaf ~up mt.megaf.info 30003
20:58 Megaf was kicked by ShadowBot: Message repetition flood detected.
20:58 ShadowBot Megaf: mt.megaf.info port 30003 is up (132ms)
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20:58 ElectronLibre ShadowBot, you don't need to answer him, you've just kicked Megaf..
20:58 Megaf I dont like that bot
20:58 * ElectronLibre looks at ShadowNinja. >_>
20:59 Megaf these bots will tell the name resolution time as ping
20:59 Megaf thats totally wrong
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20:59 n4x the case I bought only allows me to have six hdds
20:59 n4x while my mobo supports 8
21:00 n4x so sad.. :P
21:00 Megaf !up 178.79.130.6 30003
21:00 MinetestBot 178.79.130.6:30003 is up (2ms)
21:00 Megaf ~up 178.79.130.6 30003
21:00 ShadowBot Megaf: 178.79.130.6 port 30003 is up (112ms)
21:00 Megaf see?
21:00 Megaf that's the same server
21:00 Megaf but bot's dns server is a crap
21:01 * ShadowNinja fixes that...
21:01 Megaf ~up 178.79.130.6 30003
21:01 ShadowBot Megaf: 178.79.130.6 port 30003 is up (114ms)
21:02 Megaf actually theres no difference on ShadowBot
21:02 Megaf interesting
21:02 Megaf !up minetest.megaf.info 30003
21:02 MinetestBot minetest.megaf.info:30003 is up (656ms)
21:02 PenguinDad Megaf: ShadowBot probably has got a better DNS sewer
21:02 PenguinDad *server
21:03 Megaf or its smart enough to cache the IP
21:03 Amaz Wow! The bot has it's own sewer!
21:03 Amaz I wonder what purpose that serves...
21:03 sfan5 lol
21:03 Amaz ;P
21:04 Megaf sfan5: I believe he is not fixing WorldEdit https://github.com/Uberi/Minetest-Worl​dEdit/issues/64#issuecomment-63864692
21:04 Megaf lmao Amaz
21:04 PenguinDad Megaf: that's not a real bug
21:04 sfan5 Megaf: not a bug, warning-on-accessing-undeclared-global is stupid
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21:06 sfan5 !up minetest.megaf.info 30003
21:06 MinetestBot minetest.megaf.info:30003 is up (356ms)
21:06 sfan5 :/
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21:09 Megaf sfan5: yet, if you !up it's actual IP you get a totally different result
21:09 sfan5 !up 178.79.130.6 30003
21:09 MinetestBot 178.79.130.6:30003 is up (2ms)
21:09 sfan5 I'm working on fixing it
21:10 Megaf ok
21:10 kaeza sfan5, I disagree: access to "undeclared" globals can be troublesome if you do things like `register_whatever({ foo=some_global })`
21:10 kaeza `foo` will inadvertently get assigned `nil`
21:10 kaeza and the bug may go unnoticed for a long time
21:11 sfan5 I'm not wanting to remove this
21:11 sfan5 but just add a setting
21:11 sfan5 the ordinary user does not care about why some mod might be broken
21:11 kaeza I can agree with that
21:11 PenguinDad a setting which of course nobody ever enables
21:12 sfan5 the modders should
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21:13 marioxcc Hello
21:13 marioxcc Hello. What's the recommended way to do log rotation of minetest?
21:13 ShadowNinja Megaf: Should be fixed now.
21:13 sfan5 I never heard of anyone wanting to do that
21:13 sfan5 just use logrotated
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21:14 marioxcc sfan5: Does minetest works properly with logrotate?
21:14 sfan5 probably
21:15 sfan5 as long as minetestserver isn't running when logrotate rotates the logs
21:15 est31 hi everybody, there is a mem leak (massive one), how can I detect it?
21:15 est31 valgrind makes MT sloooooooow
21:15 VanessaE est31: valgrind makes everything slooooooooew
21:15 VanessaE -e
21:17 Megaf est31: there are at least two memory leaks :P
21:18 Megaf but they dont happen all the time
21:18 Megaf ShadowNinja: fixed what exactely?
21:19 est31 VanessaE: what does -e help? exit at zero?
21:19 PenguinDad lol
21:20 Megaf lol
21:20 Megaf est31: she misspelled slooooow, adding an e
21:20 est31 ok
21:20 Megaf so she wrote -e indicating the accident
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21:23 VanessaE est31: it's a shorthand in IRC, it means "subtract the extra 'e' from my previous statement"
21:23 freelikegnu marioxcc: I'm sturggling with minetestserver and logrotate myself
21:24 freelikegnu log rotation works, but I dont have an elegant way to start and stop the multiple minetest servers I'm running
21:24 est31 I know of s/ubstitute/substitute/, but -e is new
21:24 * Megaf will just delete the log
21:24 Megaf -e is shorter
21:25 VanessaE I just delete old logs, no reason at all to rotate them.
21:25 VanessaE not inetest logs that is
21:25 VanessaE +m
21:25 marioxcc freelikegnu: If I had more time, I would make a small wrapper that is logrotate-aware, then pipe the minetest_server output to it.
21:26 marioxcc VanessaE: well, log rotation don't means to use the old logs again, but to delete them.
21:26 VanessaE marioxcc: no.
21:26 freelikegnu welp, if I delete the log, a new one is created but nothing gets written into it until the server is restarted
21:26 VanessaE marioxcc: log rotation means to move current logs into an archival storage.
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21:27 freelikegnu log rotate cna delete and/or compress them too
21:27 jin_xi and craft tables
21:28 VanessaE normal behavior of log rotation in Linux anyway is to rename the current log, open a new file for new incoming entries, and compress the old file
21:28 VanessaE I forget how long the old files are kept.  several days I think.
21:28 VanessaE or several reboots, rather
21:28 freelikegnu first I have to convert the logs into planks before crafting tables
21:28 freelikegnu iirc
21:28 sfan5 !up minetest.megaf.info 30003
21:28 MinetestBot minetest.megaf.info:30003 is up (2ms)
21:28 sfan5 !up 178.79.130.6 30003
21:28 MinetestBot 178.79.130.6:30003 is up (4ms)
21:28 sfan5 /\ Megaf
21:28 Megaf Good
21:29 Megaf Thanks
21:29 Megaf !up linuxgamig.us
21:29 MinetestBot linuxgamig.us:30000 seems to be down
21:29 marioxcc freelikegnu: you should be aware that when moving a file, the file descriptors will point to the new file. So the program has to have some awareness of log rotation for it to work with the normal method.
21:29 freelikegnu logrotate can be configure to rotate for any period, days weeks, months, size as well I think
21:29 Megaf !up linuxgaming.us
21:29 MinetestBot linuxgaming.us:30000 is up (97ms)
21:29 Megaf much better
21:29 Megaf sfan5: now the http://servers.minetest.net/ should be updated
21:30 VanessaE marioxcc: I told you, shut down your server nightly for backups and do your log rotation then
21:30 VanessaE if you don't, you fail as a minetest server admin.
21:30 freelikegnu heh
21:30 freelikegnu I suppose thats how it should really be done
21:30 sfan5 Megaf: create an issue at https://github.com/minetest/master-server
21:30 VanessaE (unless you're running on a filesystem that supports taking live snapshots)
21:31 * Megaf shutdown its server daily, no nighly, I have failed! Oh no!
21:31 freelikegnu or have international guests who are on during your local night
21:31 VanessaE freelikegnu: do it anyway.  they'll learn what 5-minute period to avoid :P
21:35 Megaf !up 178.79.130.6 30003
21:35 MinetestBot 178.79.130.6:30003 is up (2ms)
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21:40 Megaf https://github.com/minetest/master-server/issues/4
21:40 Megaf !title
21:40 MinetestBot Megaf: The master server will include DNS resolution time when showing &quot;ping&quot; time. · Issue #4 · minetest/master-server · GitHub
21:40 Megaf ^ sfan5
21:43 SylvieLorxu https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-82nRpdg4d4
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22:12 Megaf ShadowNinja: Opinions on this? https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/1854
22:13 Megaf It's weird, people liked it on my first pull request. https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/1648
22:14 ShadowNinja Megaf: Seems good to me, although you missed curl_timeout in defaultsettings.cpp.
22:14 Megaf Ok, let me fix
22:15 Megaf ShadowNinja: I didnt miss it, https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/1854/​files#diff-3474ba74d8eb9c72a47c6542f51eb4fcR97
22:15 Megaf did I?
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22:16 luizrpgluiz hi, what are the plans for minetest 0.4.11?
22:16 Amaz Megaf, to you comment about flying fast on github. As a player, I would like fly to remain fast by default... See the comment on Github for the reasons!
22:16 Amaz *your
22:17 Megaf Amaz: when building something big, like towers and catles I like to quick switch from fly fast to fly slow
22:17 Amaz Hit j!
22:17 Megaf its just much easier to press e to go fast
22:17 Megaf since we are already used to it while not flying
22:18 Megaf why this change in behavouir?
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22:18 Amaz Because it is more convenient?
22:18 luizrpgluiz Megaf:what are the plans for minetest 0.4.11?
22:18 Amaz If you want to fly, you generally want to fly fast...
22:18 Megaf No idea luizrpgluiz
22:18 Megaf Amaz: well, then this looks like a quite personal opinion
22:19 Megaf and a clean and easy option for that must be given
22:19 Amaz Yeah.
22:19 Amaz Probably the best thing to do is see the majority opinion.
22:19 luizrpgluiz Megaf:   implementations will minetest 0.4.11?
22:20 Megaf luizrpgluiz: well, mesh support, positional audio for mumble maybe
22:20 Megaf saving of the world on the client side
22:20 Megaf on disk
22:20 Megaf so you dont have to load the world again every single time you join
22:21 Megaf sutff like that
22:21 Amaz Mapgen v5!!!
22:21 Amaz Megaf, I don't know if it does make it so that you don't have to load the world every time, just makes it so you can save a local copy to your hard disk...
22:22 luizrpgluiz Megaf:predicting when you have the new version will come out
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22:22 Amaz Sometime in December.
22:22 Amaz Maybe.
22:29 MinetestBot [git] ShadowNinja -> minetest/master-server: Don't count things like DNS resolution in the ping a3424b8 http://git.io/nLaA3g (2014-11-20T17:26:49-05:00)
22:30 freelikegnu !up freelikegnu.org 30020
22:30 MinetestBot freelikegnu.org:30020 is up (117ms)
22:30 freelikegnu :D
22:31 Fritigern_AFK VanessaE: Don't kick Friti ass! No matter how big of an ass i am!
22:31 freelikegnu will I be able to play on 4.10 servers with 4.11?
22:32 Fritigern_AFK freelikegnu: You should
22:36 * Megaf wonders if freelikegnu and PenguinDad are the same person
22:37 Megaf sorry if that is false
22:39 freelikegnu hehe well I do have three kids who all use xubuntu
22:40 freelikegnu compiling minetest from git to try 4.11
22:40 marktraceur 0.4.11 surely
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22:40 freelikegnu I'm pretty excited about the meshnodes too
22:40 Fritigern_AFK BTW VanessaE, the mod most affected by the uninitialized global thing is (on my system) mg.
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22:41 Fritigern_AFK freelikegnu: Expect mods to throw tantrums about nuinitialized globals in the latest minetest git. These are just warnings though, and can safely be ignored
22:42 freelikegnu kewl
22:42 freelikegnu I'll have to learn how to build for android as well
22:43 freelikegnu looks like there have been some nice fixes
22:43 Megaf ShadowNinja: thanks, I think http://servers.minetest.net/ havent been updated yet, have it?
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22:47 VanessaE Fritigern_AFK: poke nore and sfan5 about that one :)
22:49 Fritigern_AFK VanessaE: I know, i am working on the mod and will submit my suggested changes to them after i am done :-)
22:49 Fritigern_AFK Assuming they haven;t fixed them yet :-)
22:51 ShadowNinja Megaf: Probably not, poke sfan5 (or not, since I just did).
22:51 * Megaf pokes sfan5
22:52 Megaf With a twig
22:52 VanessaE poor sfan, he's getting so many bruises now from all these pokes ;)
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22:54 Megaf cats love pokes
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23:25 Megaf I wish Calinou were still using github
23:26 Megaf VanessaE: what do you think about including (super)glow_glass on homedecor?
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23:26 VanessaE Megaf: why?  there are already a few kinds of light sources in it, and glow glass is already part of moreblocks
23:26 Megaf I can making a pull request if you wish
23:27 VanessaE seems redundant to me
23:27 Megaf because moreblocks is not on github =/
23:27 VanessaE it's in gitorious.
23:28 VanessaE https://gitorious.org/calinou/moreblocks
23:28 Megaf I can hardly menage one git source with all my AHAD and dylexy problems
23:28 Megaf or ADHD or hoever
23:28 VanessaE it works the same way as github as far as the command line is concerned.
23:28 VanessaE it's just a different fetch address.
23:29 VanessaE git clone https://gitorious.org/calinou/moreblocks.git
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23:31 Megaf 10 KB/s on git clone from github... Wow, how fast, such speed, very lightning
23:31 Megaf 50 from gitorious
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23:37 Megaf Problem solved https://github.com/Megaf/more_blocks
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23:49 AgentFire Okay
23:49 AgentFire I have a problem
23:49 AgentFire Buttons
23:49 AgentFire How do I get them to work with minecars
23:50 Megaf I have a problem too, Im OS X, the worst OS for development ever
23:51 Megaf I cant even see my debug properly
23:51 Megaf can anyone test this mod please and tell me whats wrong? https://github.com/Megaf/more_blocks
23:52 Megaf I know it crashes, but here it wont show whats wrong
23:52 marioxcc /join #debian
23:52 marioxcc
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23:53 Megaf marioxcc: I have three laptops, two are running Debian
23:53 Megaf and so is my desktop, and so is my servers
23:53 Megaf ;)
23:54 Megaf but in my macbook pro, running OS X I get 11 hours of battery life
23:54 Megaf and hardly three with Debian
23:54 Megaf and Im not even mentioning all issues with GPU, EFI and 64 bit Debian have on Macs
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