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00:07 AgentFire So does anybody here want to play Minetest on a small server, with maybe just the two of us, or a couple other people.
00:19 NemoMT AgentFire: What type of MT server? What mods will there be?
00:20 NemoMT I'm interested.
00:20 AgentFire Well, I don't have many mods unfortunately. I only have more ores, mese cons, and more blocks.
00:22 NemoMT Sounds fine.
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00:55 hisforeverkid Hi everybody is there a way to load more blocks than the 99 I'm using the village mod?
00:55 shadowzone I think so..
00:56 hisforeverkid I thought I saw a youtube and he got 548 brich in 1 swoop lol
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01:02 hisforeverkid Thank Shadowzone
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01:20 hisforeverkid I'm using the town mode but Can I load more blocks than just the basic 99 is there a comand line for it?
01:30 Sokomine town mode?
01:30 hisforeverkid boy for as many people on this channek its dead for chatter lol
01:32 hisforeverkid villages [WIP] sorry I thin its that one
01:32 pitriss hisforeverkid: most people here is from europe.. ..where is about 2:30am
01:33 hisforeverkid that explains it ty
01:33 Cylus hisforeverkid: I've tried to enable stacks higher than 99, but I never could get it working.
01:33 hisforeverkid ty cylus me neighter
01:34 hisforeverkid wekk back to building God bless
01:34 Cylus Have fun!
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01:48 AgentFire NemoMT: Hello?
01:49 carlvelleri i think Nemo might be afk AgentFire
01:49 AgentFire Nah, he's here
01:49 carlvelleri ok
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02:08 Nerotic Hey.
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02:39 Niveocrystal Hey.
02:39 Nerotic Hello Niveocrystal
02:40 Niveocrystal Wow. There's a lot of people on.
02:40 Niveocrystal Is this a normal amount at this time of... Evening, morning or what have you.
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02:41 Nerotic Just because there is people, does not mean any of us are active.
02:42 Niveocrystal It's 2:31 AM where I am. In the morning for me there's like 31-36 people.
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02:42 Niveocrystal Oops, 2:42*
02:42 Niveocrystal Welcome back.
02:42 Nerotic It's 9:42pm for me. Almost done with work.
02:43 Niveocrystal This Irc app is nice.
02:43 Nerotic You're using a mobile IRC app?
02:43 Niveocrystal Yup.
02:44 Nerotic Cool. AndroIRC?
02:44 Niveocrystal No. :/ but maybe it's on android.
02:45 Niveocrystal It's called... IRCCloud
02:45 Nerotic That's the IRC client I use for mobile during the rare occasions I use it on mobile.
02:45 Niveocrystal Really?
02:47 Nerotic AndroIRC I mean.
02:47 Niveocrystal :P
02:47 Niveocrystal Anyway.  I'm very impressed with it. I thought it would come up with nothing when I searched for a IRC app, I was wrong. And also it's not meant for a really really old version of iOS. But it's a small bit buggy.
02:48 Niveocrystal This is what it looks like
02:48 Nerotic I might check it out later.
02:48 Niveocrystal Oh and wait, the graphics are good, their not all poor looking
02:48 Niveocrystal Okay lemme try restarting the app brb
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02:50 Niveocrystal https://i.imgur.com/UJnUkGg.jpg
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03:45 Zeno` OldCoder, what was the crash in caverealms?
03:54 AgentFire I love Minetest
03:55 Niveocrystal Test
03:55 Niveocrystal Anyone see what I'm saying?
03:56 Zeno` yes
03:56 Niveocrystal Oh, okay thanks!
03:57 Niveocrystal Well I've gotta go. Cya.
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05:57 OldCoder Zeno`, VanessaE notified you; it was fortresses, which you have commented on
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06:43 * Zeno` roars at sfan5
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08:17 Zeno` kilbith, they forgot the Zeno` !
08:17 * Zeno` cries
08:19 kilbith I signaled that to SN ;)
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08:21 Zeno` hehe I saw that and that's why I said that ;)
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09:14 rubenwardy https://ello.co/rubenwardy
09:14 rubenwardy Wooo!
09:23 MinetestBot [git] kahrl -> minetest/minetest: Remove unused rangelim function (the macro still exists) 55e4c35 http://git.io/5pGsHQ (2014-11-19T10:19:52+01:00)
09:28 Zeno` not the unused rangelim function! This is terrible
09:28 Zeno` lol, j/k of course
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09:34 rubenwardy https://ello.co/minetest
09:37 rickmcfarley cool
09:39 fling What is the time needed to mine a single stone node?
09:40 fling How much time do I need to mine 5000 nodes?
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09:42 Zeno` that probably depends on how you're mining them
09:42 Zeno` and what tool you're using, of course
09:43 fling With the best equipment?
09:43 fling Mese pick for example.
09:46 rubenwardy Would anyone like a Ello invite?
09:47 fling rubenwardy: what is it?
09:47 rubenwardy social network, no ads, no payments
09:47 rubenwardy Just google "Ello"
09:47 exio4 why not diaspora
09:47 rubenwardy It's invite only
09:48 ThatGraemeGuy great, we need more social networks
09:48 exio4 is it even opensource?
09:49 rubenwardy diaspora is the ISIS one
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10:19 hisforeverkid Dose anybody know where I can get house plans I want to build but not good at think up designs lol
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10:26 mikk0 whats a good active server for a newbie to try the game on?
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11:03 Zeno` pow
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11:11 * Zeno` curls up in sfan5's lap
11:12 * sfan5 noms Zeno`
11:12 Zeno` lol
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11:17 Zeno` I may have to change my avatar to the ALF making a cat sandwich
11:19 kilbith you know "Zorro", Zeno` ?
11:19 Zeno` I have heard of Zorro, why?
11:20 kilbith thought you can use the "Z" ripped in the clothes as avatar
11:21 Zeno` I'm more likely to use a Don Quixote avatar :D
11:21 Zeno` wait... is that a windmill? /me chases it
11:22 kilbith http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm121/patin​a106/Zorro/Episode%201/Zorro_Ep1_Opening2.jpg
11:24 Zeno` you don't like my current avatar? :(
11:24 kilbith give a link
11:26 Zeno` https://avatars3.githubusercont​ent.com/u/5899883?v=3&s=460
11:27 kilbith oh i knew it
11:27 Zeno` hehe
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12:03 AgentFire I can't wait until Nemo gets back
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12:35 MinetestBot [git] ShadowNinja -> minetest/minetest: Fix Belarusian translation header 0ee5a21 http://git.io/UGf-jg (2014-11-19T22:31:57+10:00)
12:35 MinetestBot [git] ShadowNinja -> minetest/minetest: Add gettext to Travis build feb3070 http://git.io/KutVvg (2014-11-19T22:31:57+10:00)
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14:01 Megaf Hi everyone
14:01 shadowzone Hello
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14:02 ElectronLibre Hello Megaf.
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14:18 kaeza bom dia Megaf
14:18 kaeza mornings all
14:19 Megaf kaeza: It's afternoon here :)
14:19 ElectronLibre Hello kaeza.
14:19 Megaf I have moved to Ireland
14:19 Zeno` I thought you looked a bit green Megaf
14:19 ElectronLibre (Here too in France, same timezone, or the one next to our)
14:20 Megaf ElectronLibre: we have almost the same timezone, is 14:20 here
14:22 ElectronLibre 15:21 here, so Ireland is in the one next to our, I was right.
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14:23 Zeno` why didn't sfan5's commit show up?
14:23 Zeno` MinetestBot is being lazy
14:24 kilbith MinetestBot!
14:24 MinetestBot kilbith!
14:24 Zeno` MinetestBot, wake up!
14:24 * ElectronLibre don't remember she could answer our highlights.
14:24 kaeza <3 MinetestBot
14:24 MinetestBot <3 kaeza
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14:25 * ElectronLibre gives MinetestBot a cookie
14:25 * Zeno` panics
14:25 kaeza Megaf, ah, good
14:25 kaeza it's 12:25 here anyway <_<
14:25 * Zeno` kisses MinetestBot
14:25 shadowzone o.O
14:25 Zeno` it obviously does not like me
14:25 shadowzone MinetestBot!
14:25 shadowzone Oh yeah..
14:25 shadowzone I'm on the ignore list.
14:26 Zeno` lol
14:26 shadowzone not the first time..
14:26 ElectronLibre [(S)He/It/Whatever you want] seems to ignore you Zeno`..
14:26 Zeno` <3 MinetestBot
14:26 MinetestBot <3 Zeno`
14:26 shadowzone It's a she
14:26 * Zeno` swoons
14:26 shadowzone All IRC bots are female.
14:26 ElectronLibre Why?
14:26 shadowzone I dunno
14:27 Zeno` You're pretty good at debating shadowzone
14:27 kaeza lol
14:27 ElectronLibre To me, it's a bot, a robot, so I would say "it". But if you want to say she no problem :D.
14:27 shadowzone I am?
14:27 * shadowzone must be like obi-wan kenobi
14:28 Zeno` Yes, you're a genius
14:28 * shadowzone high fives jedi master obi-wan kenobi
14:28 Zeno` If someone asks why you just *shrug*
14:28 Zeno` lol :D
14:28 * shadowzone gives Darth sidious the middle....nvm
14:28 Zeno` the middle finger?!
14:28 Zeno` that rude!
14:28 shadowzone Maybe...
14:29 Zeno` apparently the finger alludes to when people used to use bow an arrows
14:29 shadowzone Yep.
14:29 Zeno` to give the finger meant "I'm gonna chop that off"
14:29 shadowzone *and* arrows
14:29 shadowzone Odd
14:30 Zeno` yeah, these days people just use bows
14:30 shadowzone Yep
14:30 Zeno` all the arrows are run out
14:30 shadowzone Lol
14:30 shadowzone bash 'em over the head with a bow.
14:30 shadowzone Sounds fun.
14:30 Zeno` yeah, or just pull the bowstring and let fly imaginary arrows
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14:32 shadowzone I  need to change that.
14:32 sfan5 Zeno`: the commit was done in the past, thats why it doesn't show up
14:33 Zeno` sfan5, I still think it's a conspiracy
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14:45 kaeza soooo... that gesture used to meant something different, until somebody took an arrow to the knee?
14:45 kaeza <_<
14:46 * kaeza meows at sfan5
14:46 * sfan5 meows at kaeza
14:46 shadowzone Lol
14:47 Zeno` Actually I was a great warrior until I took an arrow to the knee
14:48 shadowzone Zeno`, that explain the beard.
14:48 shadowzone Your a warrior.
14:49 Zeno` shadowzone, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34ag4nkSh7Q
14:49 * shadowzone listens to it
14:49 shadowzone Still not as interesting as the rap song I was listening to.
14:50 shadowzone Not gonna even tell what it was.
14:50 Zeno` lol
14:50 shadowzone Cause y'all would take my PC away.
14:51 Zeno` I know nothink!
14:51 shadowzone Huh?
14:52 Zeno` where?
14:53 VanessaE shadowzone: just smile and nod. :)
14:53 Zeno` yes, good idea
14:53 Zeno` wait... what?
14:53 shadowzone Okay..
14:53 VanessaE lol
14:53 catninja last day with windows workcomputer! yay back to ubuntoo
14:53 shadowzone ;)
14:53 shadowzone YAY!
14:53 shadowzone Windows!
14:54 VanessaE BITE YOUR TONGUE
14:54 catninja windows suuux.
14:54 VanessaE windows sucks
14:54 catninja I've been struggling for months now with this computer
14:54 shadowzone I agree.
14:57 AgentFire Okay
14:57 AgentFire I think I found a bug with minetest
14:57 AgentFire I'm able to place a pressure plate in midair, and stand on it
14:57 shadowzone Is it the username box disappearing?
14:57 shadowzone Oh
14:57 shadowzone nope
14:57 kaeza "a" bug?
14:58 kaeza AgentFire, that's A) not a bug in Minetest (engine), B) not a bug in Minetest (game), C) not a bug
14:58 VanessaE also, it's not a bug.
14:58 VanessaE :)
14:58 shadowzone It's a bird?
14:59 ElectronLibre "That's not a bug, that's a feature."?
14:59 kaeza it's not a feature, either, just... dammit ElectronLibre
14:59 kaeza :P
14:59 VanessaE http://www.mersenneforum.org/ima​ges/smilies/extra/featurebug.jpg
14:59 AgentFire What is it then?
14:59 VanessaE it's that ^^^^^6
14:59 VanessaE -6
14:59 shadowzone XD
14:59 AgentFire Also, I have a problem with doors
14:59 AgentFire Namely double doors
14:59 marktraceur AgentFire: How is being able to stand on a solid object a bug
15:00 AgentFire One side opens when I stand on the pressure plate and the other side closes
15:00 AgentFire marktraceur: I guess it's not, I just didn't think of a pressure plate as a solid object
15:00 marktraceur It's made of stone
15:00 marktraceur wtf else would it be
15:00 marktraceur GHOST STONE.
15:01 VanessaE I'm pretty sure doors have "opened" and "closed" designations in the code, so that would be a problem with mesecons, better to ask Jeija.
15:01 VanessaE marktraceur: I think he's suggesting that a pressure plate should have the same property as e.g. a snow node or torch, that it shouldn't be able to just hang in mid-air
15:02 marktraceur Ah, well, this isn't a physics emulator
15:02 VanessaE agreed
15:02 marktraceur We hate gravity here
15:02 marktraceur It ruins everything
15:02 * marktraceur hugs his floating castle
15:02 Zeno` don't let gravgun hear that
15:02 kaeza especially when it is one that is being subject to it
15:02 gravgun Zeno`: whaaaaaaat? :3
15:03 * shadowzone looks at python
15:03 shadowzone Why am I still learning python?
15:03 Zeno` if gravity is not 100% correct your gravgun might not work
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15:03 kaeza shadowzone, because it's the bestest language
15:03 marktraceur shadowzone: You never stop learning a language
15:03 shadowzone Lol
15:03 VanessaE Zeno`: maybe it just shoots gravitons?
15:03 shadowzone Okay.
15:03 * ElectronLibre feeds Python with some flies.
15:03 shadowzone I am learning 3 at the same time
15:03 marktraceur I still have moments where I'm like "JavaScript does WHAT NOW?"
15:03 shadowzone I have a LOT to do.
15:03 Zeno` VanessaE, nah it doesn't... I've seen it in HL2
15:04 exio4 \o/ pizza
15:04 gravgun Zeno`: actually I didn't have the intent to make an acual gravgun in MT :)
15:04 exio4 pizza pizza pizza, sfan5 ^
15:04 Zeno` lol
15:04 * sfan5 looks at exio4's pizza
15:04 gravgun And yes if gravitons are to be real, a Gravity Gun would shoot lotta them
15:05 kaeza speaking of JS... haven't seen that JS freak around lately
15:05 gravgun Hey kaeza, let's implement V8 as another MT script engine!
15:06 gravgun </kidding>
15:06 kaeza it was entertaining, I miss him :'(
15:06 exio4 how was this guy called
15:06 exio4 remember kaeza
15:06 exio4 ?
15:06 gravgun Quick look at feature requests
15:06 Zeno` why can't I find Gilligan's Island episodes on youtube?
15:06 kaeza lamepun or something
15:06 exio4 lamefun
15:06 * Zeno` gets angry
15:06 kaeza that
15:06 sfan5 !seen lamefun
15:06 MinetestBot sfan5: lamefun was last seen at 2014-10-24 05:27:25 UTC on #minetest
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15:08 crazyR anyone know why i would be getting this error when trying to start minetestserver:  /.minetest/minetest.conf: line 1: name: command not found
15:09 crazyR that config worked last time it was used
15:09 kaeza huh
15:09 gravgun "line 1: name: command not found" isn't that Bash's doing?
15:09 * Zeno` tries to find lost in space
15:09 shadowzone WAIT!?!
15:09 kaeza sounds like you are trying to run mt.conf as a shell script somehow
15:09 shadowzone Ethic Rush is coming back?
15:09 sfan5 crazyR: how are you starting minetestserver?
15:10 crazyR via a bash script. i think i know where ive gone wrong lol
15:10 gravgun crazyR: very likely indeed
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15:10 sfan5 gravgun: wtf is this? https://github.com/gravgun/karakurism-unscrambler
15:10 sfan5 crazyR: pastebin it please
15:10 gravgun sfan5: Just me having fun disassembling Java things
15:11 gravgun sfan5: /me likes smali
15:11 sfan5 gravgun: yeah. sure. https://github.com/gravgun/karakurism-unscrambler​/commit/dd2a09b636447c027d44ac912c29e3fc13fbbb6c
15:11 gravgun Yes :3
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15:15 crazyR sfan5: figured it, due to wrapping lines i didnt notice that the config path was on a new line by mistake lol
15:15 PenguinDad "For further headache, refer to find's manpage" :D
15:18 gravgun PenguinDad: yes, though honestly I don't find "find" hard to use at all
15:21 * marktraceur felt so stupid when he realized how to do this: http://media.marktraceur.info/u/marktrac​eur/m/terrace-farming-in-minetest-crops/
15:21 marktraceur Like GOD, why didn't I think of that sooner
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15:22 shadowzone That's clever.
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15:23 shadowzone marktraceur: you are obsessed with steakholder
15:24 marktraceur shadowzone: I had heard the word like fifty times that day, so I made some images for it for the next time someone says it
15:25 shadowzone Oh...
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15:29 * PenguinDad meows at marktraceur
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15:30 marktraceur Ohai PenguinDad.
15:30 VanessaE ShadowNinja: steakholder?
15:30 VanessaE damn it
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15:31 marktraceur VanessaE: http://media.marktraceur.info/​u/marktraceur/m/steakholder-2/
15:31 VanessaE shadowzone: steakholder?
15:31 VanessaE marktraceur: oh heh
15:31 * VanessaE looks at her 5M PND coins...
15:31 VanessaE do these count? :)
15:32 marktraceur Doubt it
15:32 VanessaE aw
15:32 AgentFire Does anyone wanna join me on Nate's server?
15:33 Zeno` Nate has a server?
15:33 shadowzone Nate123
15:33 shadowzone Not Nate
15:33 VanessaE I never even see...  oh, different guy?
15:33 Zeno` Oh... that's not confusing
15:33 AgentFire Yeah Nate123, my bad
15:34 AgentFire NemoMT: Are you AFK?
15:34 * ElectronLibre finds the SteakHolder worldplay funny.
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15:43 Zeno` Love is like a pizza
15:43 exio4 I know
15:43 exio4 that is why I ate a pizza
15:43 Zeno` Sometimes it's cold and flat and sometimes it's hot and gooey
15:44 PenguinDad and it's always gone too fast :P
15:44 Zeno` lol!
15:44 Zeno` nice one PD
15:44 exio4 ;_;
15:44 exio4 that is so true
15:45 * ElectronLibre has already eaten pizza but never fallen in love. He cannot be sure.
15:45 exio4 I miss my pizza so much
15:45 exio4 ElectronLibre: pizza is love
15:45 * ElectronLibre loves pizza
15:45 exio4 that is true love
15:45 exio4 the best kind of love
15:47 * ElectronLibre tried to stop a sudo init 0 with ^C
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15:48 ElectronLibre If you say it I cannot be sure it is true but I cannot be sure it is not either.. I add that on my TODO list : "Try to feel the pizza's love".
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15:48 sfan5 http://media.marktraceur.info/u/marktrac​eur/m/jelly-bean-curled-up-on-the-couch/
15:48 sfan5 woag
15:48 sfan5 woah*
15:48 sfan5 a cat
15:48 marktraceur Right? Cats are the best
15:49 * ElectronLibre meows
15:49 catninja marktraceur: thank you! finally a felinefan
15:49 * sfan5 is a cat
15:49 * sfan5 meows at catninja
15:49 * ElectronLibre shows catninja sfan5
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15:50 catninja sfan5: meowmeow meow?
15:50 sfan5 catninja: meow meow meowmeow meow!
15:50 catninja sfan5: meow. *rolls eyes*
15:50 PenguinDad meow meowmeowmeow meow meow!
15:50 sfan5 catninja: meow meow :3
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15:52 davegoopot Hi. I'm putting a game pack together and it looks like I need to copy the mods from the default minetest game.  Is that right?
15:53 sfan5 yes
15:54 sfan5 unless you intend to rewrite all the base stuff like grass, stone, cobble, chests...
15:54 * ElectronLibre plays nyan cat
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15:55 davegoopot Thanks.  Just checking I wasn't missing some sort of import option :-)
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16:11 YuGiOhJCJ hello, is it possible to create myself a plains biome with a lot of Dirt blocks or they can only be created by the map generator ?
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16:12 YuGiOhJCJ (I mean, my objective is to get grass growing on it)
16:15 ElectronLibre You want to add dirt blocks on generation, on just grass on dirt when it is generated?
16:15 YuGiOhJCJ no I want add blocks after generation...
16:16 sfan5 you can place dirt nodes where you want
16:16 ElectronLibre minetest.register_on_generated(func(minp, maxp, blockseed))
16:16 ElectronLibre Could help you. Or a simple globalstep/ABM.. ok no ABM.
16:16 * ElectronLibre had forgotten there was a carriage return at the end of the function prototype.
16:17 YuGiOhJCJ yes OK I can put them where I want but the problem is that I am not sure that Grass will grow on them because to be able to see Grass (I mean grass that you can pick up), you need plains
16:18 sfan5 oh that grass
16:18 sfan5 you can't get the grass 'plants' without using /give
16:18 YuGiOhJCJ this one : http://wiki.minetest.net/Grass
16:19 sfan5 actually
16:19 sfan5 it drops grass with 80 percent chance
16:19 sfan5 so there is no problem
16:20 sfan5 you just need to get the grass from somewhere
16:20 YuGiOhJCJ I am able to get grass here on my server when I found it on the Dirt blocks (but it is far of my location so I would like to produce plains in order to get Grass near of my position)
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16:21 YuGiOhJCJ currently I am putting a lot of Dirt blocks, there is a big Dirt platform now but I see nothing growing on it for the moment...
16:22 YuGiOhJCJ I am trying to reproduce the Plains biome here : http://wiki.minetest.net/Biomes
16:23 YuGiOhJCJ I think it is the only way to see Grass growing near my location
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16:43 YuGiOhJCJ see here for my plains : https://lut.im/RyCHacFv/amlIoA16
16:43 YuGiOhJCJ as you can see nothing is growing on it
16:43 Calinou lut.im :D
16:43 YuGiOhJCJ not enough Dirt blocks ?
16:44 Calinou it just takes time, YuGiOhJCJ
16:44 Calinou you don't need more dirt
16:44 Calinou wheat grows up to 3 blocks away from water, in all directions
16:44 Calinou (papyrus too…)
16:45 PenguinDad YuGiOhJCJ: Grass doesn't grow on dirt blocks afaik
16:45 YuGiOhJCJ really ?
16:47 YuGiOhJCJ in fact, I have never seen Grass on my Dirt blocks but I have only seen them on Dirt blocks that I do not own...
16:47 Calinou it does PenguinDad
16:47 YuGiOhJCJ they are maybe created by the map generator but are not renewable...
16:47 Calinou that is, dirt_with_grass
16:47 Calinou any altitude, light level > 10
16:48 YuGiOhJCJ hmmm don't know if light level is good here
16:48 Calinou actually it does not grow
16:48 Calinou no ABM is present in default game
16:49 PenguinDad Calinou: since when does default:grass_[1-5] grow on dirt after mapgen?
16:49 Calinou they don't grow anywhere apparently
16:49 Calinou PenguinDad, see the screenshot, YuGiOhJCJ is talking about grass
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16:50 PenguinDad that's what I was talking about
16:50 twoelk guess he will have to go hunting for the plantgs and collect some ;-P
16:51 twoelk YuGiOhJCJ: is that some public server or singleplayer?
16:51 YuGiOhJCJ in fact it is my public server to be precise :)
16:52 YuGiOhJCJ but nobody play on it, only I and my brother ^^
16:52 twoelk so you can use creative for some time or use /giveme ?
16:53 YuGiOhJCJ yeah but my objective is to see if it is possible to make Grass growing my creating plains... It does not seems to be the case
16:53 YuGiOhJCJ *by
16:54 YuGiOhJCJ in fact the only way I found to get Grass is to go hunting for them like you suggest
16:55 YuGiOhJCJ but you see it is not the same deal with Papyrus for example... With Papyrus, I found a way to plant them to be able to have an infinite stock of Papyrus... But for Grass it seems to not be possible to do that
16:56 * twoelk remembers how some flowers or cotton have tried to take over some Dreambuilder worlds way after creation
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16:57 YuGiOhJCJ so If you find flowers or grass on the ground, you can pick up them and plant them where you want but it is not possible to create new grass or flowers unlike Papyrus, I think
16:58 twoelk indeed the minetest-game code may not include code to multiply or regrow grass after mapgen creation but some other mods do seem to.
16:58 Calinou flowers grow back
16:58 gravgun twoelk: it's not hard to do anyway, a simple ABM after all.
16:59 YuGiOhJCJ but here : http://wiki.minetest.net/Grass I can see that Grass are renewable... does it means that I am wrong ? maybe...
16:59 twoelk so if I pluck a flower in minetest-game it grows back? Or does it even multiply?
17:00 Calinou I will edit the page, YuGiOhJCJ
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17:01 Calinou twoelk, yes, flowers grow, look at the flowers mod code
17:03 YuGiOhJCJ OK Calinou but I am not sure about the meaning of "renewable" in that page... I just guess that it means that I can build new Grass that the map generator has never produced, and if it is the good meaning, so yeah you need to edit ^^
17:04 Calinou renewable = can it run out eventually?
17:06 YuGiOhJCJ here is the Grass that I can find in my world, when hunting for them : https://lut.im/gulo50zr/qFRw2Yjw (it has been probably produced by the minetest map generator and seems to not be renewable)
17:06 YuGiOhJCJ OK so it can run out I think...
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17:07 YuGiOhJCJ because I have never been able to build myself new Grass... The only way is to pick up the already existing Grass
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17:09 YuGiOhJCJ anyway, thank you for the edit Calinou I think the page tells the truth now :)
17:12 rubenwardy Hi all!
17:19 YuGiOhJCJ rubenwardy, hi
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17:25 twoelk ok, after a quick glance it seems that indeed https://github.com/minetest/minetest_g​ame/blob/master/mods/flowers/init.lua makes flowers grow after mapgen but I cannot locate any code that does that for grass, but then again I didn't spend much time on it.
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17:29 twoelk YuGiOhJCJ:  actually if you have jungles enabled you should get loads of jungle-grass
17:29 YuGiOhJCJ I think jungled is disabled on my server (because I think it is the default behavior)
17:30 YuGiOhJCJ *jungles
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17:34 twoelk grasses (dryplants) https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=13&amp;t=7143 might interest you although I am more a fan of the heavier nature mods such as Moretrees and Undergrowth
17:35 VanessaE twoelk: you should ditch all of those related mods and get the current Plantlife modpack
17:35 VanessaE it's really fast these days
17:36 VanessaE well keep moretrees, get rid of all of undergrowth
17:36 VanessaE (plantlife already has it)
17:36 twoelk woa ditch my carefully over the years crafted personal game of gardens that includes all the plant mpods I could find? :-O
17:37 twoelk -p
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17:38 twoelk although maybe I should, it keeps fighting my weak pc anyways
17:38 twoelk normaly I run DreamBuilder anyways, its way easier ;-D
17:47 VanessaE twoelk: I just meant ditch those particular mods and get Plantlife modpack.  the mods there are better, faster. :)
17:47 VanessaE plants_lib these days is nearly as fast as vanilla mapgen.
17:47 VanessaE or at least the latency thereof is.
17:48 VanessaE it still takes a while to populate the terrain, but it doesn't lag the machine out while it's doing that anymore
17:48 twoelk will do ... once I find time between visiting/touring servers
17:48 VanessaE ok :)
17:50 * twoelk still doesn't know what sort of gatehouse he wants to build on VEC opposite the unfinished manor
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18:12 * Sokomine piles up some cobble, pours stone over it, and hopes that twoelk will approach it and set a castle on top
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18:13 twoelk uhm?
18:13 rubenwardy Sokomine, I misread your message, and though "piles" was another word starting with the same letter, and is a swear word
18:13 rubenwardy XD
18:13 rubenwardy thought
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18:14 Sokomine rubenwardy: i don't know that word :-) i was just trying to build a location to trap twoelk and to get him to build another castle :)
18:14 Krock hi
18:15 Sokomine he's very good at that. he does convincing, realistic and very beautiful, small castles. far better than the usual 4-towers-and-walls-out-of-​cobble-is-all-you-ever-get wannabe-castles
18:15 * twoelk at the moment wonders why new guests keep attaking him in his cellar on just-test
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18:15 kilbith he's very good at building, not only castles
18:17 btoothpick Hello, I want to delete the world on my server and have a new one generated. Do I just remove the folder /root/.minetest/worlds/world or can I just delete a file in the world path?
18:18 twoelk you could just delete the map.sqlite to generate the same world again ;-P
18:18 Sokomine twoelk: normal behaviour of some players. i have to frequently tell players that i can't be digged when visiting servers
18:18 btoothpick I'll try that.
18:18 Sokomine kilbith: that's right :-) it's just that i still need a good castle for mg_villages. and as he builds such well ones...
18:19 * twoelk now has a cellar full of bones
18:19 btoothpick I was playing with worldedit and created so many issues that I wanted a refresh.
18:19 twoelk eh? got killed by a pinguin called fuck
18:19 Sokomine btoothpick: or rename that map.sqlite so that you have a backup should you wish to use the old map again (i.e. forgotten buildings on it)
18:19 * PenguinDad doesn't know fuck
18:20 btoothpick Sokomine, I set it up to run a cron job, so I will have that...thanks though, good advice.
18:21 btoothpick To change the MOTD do I need to restart server?  I've seen servers that have a message which require the user to click ok to continue.  Do you know the name of that feature?  I'd like a more formal welcome screen.
18:22 btoothpick I have to google how to choose the spawn area too...
18:23 VanessaE btoothpick: static_spawn = 123,456,789
18:23 VanessaE er
18:23 VanessaE static_spawnpoint
18:23 VanessaE put that in your minetest.conf with suitable coords in place of the numbers I just put.
18:24 VanessaE the feature you're thinking of is the news mod or the wiki mod, I think both will do that.
18:24 VanessaE (the click-to-continue thing)
18:24 btoothpick Awesome thanks! VanessaE, the Dreambuilder mod collection is awesome. It just takes so long to load on our school network I had adjust mods.  Going to have to move the server to a wired machine very soon.
18:24 VanessaE MOTD is only read at startup I believe, and isn't directly related to that mod.
18:24 btoothpick Thanks VanessaE
18:25 VanessaE be sure your Dreambuilder game (it's not a modpack) is kept up-to-date.  I update it frequently :)
18:28 * twoelk is very interested in how a school installation worksout
18:30 btoothpick Thanks VanessaE
18:31 VanessaE yw :)
18:31 btoothpick twoelk I renamed beer to drink and removed dynamite because I had a kindergarten student saying they were going to blow up the school.
18:31 VanessaE dynamite?  dreambuilder doesn't have that.
18:31 btoothpick with all the youtube videos showing dynamite it excites them I guess...I mean I know that they were talkilng about the "fake" school too.
18:31 VanessaE and well, beer isn't anything to fear (hell, I don't even like the stuff in real life anyway)
18:32 btoothpick VanessaE: I tried the dreambuilder, but it was taking a LONG time to load...once it loaded it was great.
18:32 VanessaE oh ok
18:32 Sokomine btoothpick: that's normal. it adds a lot of nodes and textures. those need to be transmitted at first connect
18:33 Sokomine subsequent connects are faster
18:34 kilbith btoothpick: disable "preload items visual" in your settings
18:34 VanessaE ^^^^ make sure ALL of your client machines disable that.
18:35 Calinou Carbone has gore sounds when you die, not better either :P
18:35 Calinou (due to lack of a better, gender-neutral sound)
18:35 Calinou or it could be something like in Tesseract… a short, unrelated sound
18:36 Calinou sounds a bit like “whee!” though
18:37 twoelk I wonder if anybody ever tried to make a cartoon like sound mod. I'd love that running sound of the Flintstones
18:39 VanessaE got a set of bongo drums handy? :)
18:40 VanessaE typical Hanna-Barbara "running" sound effect was beating on bongos :)
18:40 VanessaE "dashing off suddenly" was a bullet ricochet :)
18:40 VanessaE if memory serves.
18:40 twoelk that might be a soundpack kids would enjoy
18:41 twoelk got no bongos ;-( I do have a collection of simple flutes though
18:42 VanessaE maybe a set of MIDI drums would work
18:42 VanessaE got EAWpatches or Freepats installed?
18:43 VanessaE (Timidity++ usually used one or the other.  both are good)
18:43 VanessaE uses*
18:43 twoelk hehe as a kid I loved to sneak through the woods playing little tunes and hidding if people started looking around
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19:11 btoothpick The item textures is what seems to take so long to download
19:12 VanessaE btoothpick: disable "preload item visuals"
19:12 VanessaE do that on all machines.
19:12 VanessaE you don't need that to be turned on.
19:13 btoothpick Ok, so when I give the students the program I will just add that to the minetest.conf
19:13 VanessaE yeah
19:13 Calinou or in the settings menu
19:13 VanessaE as long as disabling it works properly on their machines of courser
19:13 VanessaE -r
19:13 VanessaE (it's rare that it wouldn't work)
19:15 ElectronLibre (I may have misread you, did you just written "give it to students"?)
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19:16 twoelk sounds like minetest for homework ;-P
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19:17 twoelk now that might be a test I would look forward to
19:17 ElectronLibre For tomorrow : dig 100 stone and craft a mese shovel :D.
19:17 btoothpick_ If a student brings in a pen drive/sd card I'll put the minetest program on there.
19:17 Krock local test = minetest.get_inventory({type="player", name="singleplayer"}) returns nil - what's wrong?
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19:19 twoelk I use ASuite as a portable menu and have several Minetest parallel installations plus some of minetesty tools included - all portable
19:19 btoothpick twoelk:  good idea
19:22 * ElectronLibre have been able to register and item called more_buckets:bucket_copper_default:lava_source... He hopes it's normal.. °o°
19:24 Calinou I'll make soil harder to dig in Carbone to avoid mistake diggings
19:24 Calinou (tilled soil for farming)
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19:26 twoelk https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=14&amp;t=6245 has an early version in the background on the right
19:27 twoelk btoothpick: it now looks like this:https://cdn.mediacru.sh/xIiP-vylFEse.png with 18 mt versions hidden ;-P
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19:28 btoothpick twoelk I can't send that one to a five year old. I will have a 32/64 bit version and that's it.
19:28 btoothpick maybe a live linuxcd
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19:29 twoelk he? with dummy no save database backend in ram?
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19:31 VanessaE btoothpick: sounds like a customized knoppix CD might be about right?
19:32 btoothpick VanessaE: AntiX, but Knoppix would do the trick.
19:32 VanessaE twoelk: it'll be multiplayer so there's nothing to save :)
19:32 twoelk true
19:33 VanessaE less'n he enables the save-to-disk feature
19:33 Calinou Knoppix is dead?
19:33 VanessaE it is? :(
19:33 twoelk uhm, doesn't minetest save to local config stuff like keys and debug?
19:34 VanessaE http://www.knopper.net/knoppix/index-en.html
19:34 VanessaE looks alive to me?
19:34 OldCoder Ditto
19:34 * twoelk is a long lasting fan of Knoppix and never leaves the house without one
19:34 VanessaE twoelk: well "live cd" also implies a USB image
19:35 VanessaE does anyone actually boot from CD/DVD anymore? :)
19:35 Calinou “Live media”
19:35 Calinou is a neutral expression, often used now
19:35 Calinou translates well to French
19:35 gravgun So said the frenchie :)
19:35 Calinou twoelk, I have an USB drive with dozens of Windows installers of software
19:36 VanessaE Calinou: "a live media" doesn't read well in English.
19:36 gravgun Eeeeek, .exe s ...
19:36 twoelk I rather like zipped-no-installation software
19:36 VanessaE "a live media image" is too long
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19:37 twoelk I think the PortableApps project is the correct way to go
19:38 Calinou I have some .zips too
19:38 Calinou but I choose .exe when available (better system integration)
19:38 Calinou I dislike PortableApps
19:38 Calinou the point is not to be portable
19:38 twoelk nope, I try to avoid any system intigration if I can
19:38 Calinou it's to have installers around in case I have no (or a slow) Internet connection
19:38 Calinou system integration is doable by hand, but tedious
19:38 Calinou eg. have to add menu entries to %APPDATA%/Microsoft/Windows/Start Menu/Programs
19:39 twoelk I constantly change machines so portable is the way I have to go
19:39 Calinou I have admin rights on them, so I can install stuff on them fine
19:39 gravgun And then was invented a truly portable runtime... oh wait, no copany does that!
19:40 Calinou anyway, I'll go to dinner, bye :)
19:40 gravgun company*
19:40 Calinou Minetest by default is portable :P
19:40 Calinou on Windows
19:40 gravgun \o/
19:40 Calinou I think non-portable builds exist too
19:40 Calinou http://i.imgur.com/hjtT1Xj.png
19:40 Calinou mushrooms
19:41 btoothpick Calinou: Debian stable doesn't have the updated minetest
19:41 gravgun On Windows, non-portable basically means hard-coded paths to protected locations (e.g. Program Files), and/or Registry fiddling
19:41 Calinou I'm talking about Windows
19:41 twoelk Indeed mt is but it lacks some setting possabilities that would make it easy to intigrate into PortableApps
19:41 gravgun btoothpick: Debian stable is never up to date (that's why I went full Arch Linux)
19:41 Calinou gravgun, which are the locations?
19:41 Calinou user data should go to Documents/My games
19:41 Calinou that's quite a standard now
19:42 gravgun "quite"
19:42 twoelk Using the update function in PortableApps for Minetest would be really usefull
19:42 Calinou we could be in Chocolatey and such too
19:42 Calinou gravgun, or Saved Games :P
19:42 Calinou Xonotic goes there
19:42 gravgun Calinou: Saved Games, yay
19:43 gravgun Calinou: even though I don't use Windows anymore at all
19:43 Calinou not that obvious in the first place
19:44 twoelk I'd rather have it that you can choose the place for everything you want to save in Minetest individually
19:45 twoelk like screenshots here, worlds there and key-bindings someplace else
19:45 Calinou yes, minetest.conf setting for path is a good idea
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19:45 hawk666 evening
19:47 twoelk evening indeed
19:47 btoothpick Thanks for the help everyone, take care.
19:47 hawk666 does anyone know how i can allocate ram to a minetest server ?
19:48 twoelk feed the beast?
19:48 hawk666 I am using a VPS on ubuntu server
19:48 VanessaE hawk666: it'll just use it.  you don't "allocate" it.
19:48 Calinou it is automatic
19:48 Calinou (actually, it's the same for Java, for those wondering)
19:49 VanessaE it'll use whatever it needs.
19:49 hawk666 I see what about CPU usage ?
19:49 Calinou you rarely allocate fixed amounts of RAM in programs
19:49 Calinou same goes for CPU and bandwidth
19:50 gravgun Calinou: "it's the same for Java"; but Oracle/OpenJDK JVM has a maximum heap size setting
19:50 VanessaE this ain't java, there's no "heap" to deal with
19:50 Calinou yes, defined automatically if you don't provide a setting
19:50 Calinou also -Xincgc
19:51 hawk666 Are there any ways i can improve my server i have already done the config settings but i still get block lag
19:51 gravgun VanessaE: so what's "new" and "malloc/calloc", vs stack?
19:51 hawk666 my VPS is a 4gb server 100 mbps line
19:51 VanessaE gravgun: beats me, I just know there isn't a heap. :)
19:51 VanessaE hawk666: don't use a VPS. :)
19:51 VanessaE that's how.
19:51 Calinou hawk666, try settings
19:51 Calinou a VPS should be fine for Minetest
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19:52 Calinou dedis can be overly expensive
19:52 Calinou hawk666, https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=10&amp;t=1825
19:52 VanessaE Calinou: $29/mo is "overly expensive"?
19:52 Calinou http://paste.ubuntu.com/9102608/
19:53 Calinou for some people, yes :P
19:53 Calinou these settings help a lot with CPU usage, they don't impact player experience much
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19:54 gravgun VanessaE: well C++ standard does define heap-related things, but they're not the same as in Java; see std::make_heap and std::pop_heap
19:54 Calinou “If you have plenty of bandwidth at your disposal, you should use something like this to fully utilize it with a large amount of players (this might be set as the default in later versions):”
19:54 Calinou max_simultaneous_block_sends_server_total = 10000
19:54 Calinou be sure to use that if you have spare bandwidth (replace the setting in my paste with that one)
19:55 Calinou http://paste.ubuntu.com/9102641/
19:55 Calinou the whole Carbone minetest.conf
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20:20 hawk666 thanks people it has improved somewhat, I might have to profile mods and try and ID issues.
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20:35 Nerotic .
20:35 VanessaE ..
20:35 ElectronLibre ...
20:36 VanessaE
20:36 * ElectronLibre types 4 points!
20:36 ElectronLibre Oh, you win VanessaE ._.
20:37 VanessaE ···
20:37 VanessaE .·.·.·
20:37 ElectronLibre ...---...
20:37 PenguinDad ………
20:37 VanessaE no help for you. :P
20:37 * ElectronLibre cannot do these little points in the middle.
20:38 exio4 .-.
20:38 exio4 R
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20:42 gravgun (=̂o.o=̂)
20:42 gravgun Am I doing it right?
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20:50 VanessaE ElectronLibre: X11Compose, period, hyphen
20:51 VanessaE (idk what the windows key sequence is)
20:51 ElectronLibre Ok. I don't even know where these keys are.. ._.
20:51 VanessaE I bound X11Compose to the "menu" key (the one right of the "right Alt")
20:52 VanessaE figure that key is utterly useless otherwise :)
20:52 ElectronLibre Ok, I see. and then Period?
20:52 ElectronLibre (I agree I've never used it ._.)
20:52 VanessaE tap those three keys in that order and you get the centered-period
20:53 VanessaE there's a whole boatload of symbols accessible with X11-compose followed by two or three other keys
20:53 VanessaE compose-O-C --> ©
20:53 VanessaE compose-O-R --> ®
20:53 VanessaE etc.
20:54 ElectronLibre I just need to find "hyphen", because I understand now what is period.
20:54 ElectronLibre That's useful *-*.
20:54 VanessaE the dash
20:54 sfan5 VanessaE: do you even ctrl+shift+u 2022 <space> -> •
20:54 VanessaE minus sign
20:54 VanessaE sfan5: ohhh that works too
20:55 VanessaE didn't know xchat could do full sequences like that
20:55 VanessaE
20:55 sfan5 it's not xchat that does this
20:55 sfan5 some general thing
20:55 sfan5 it should work almost everywhere
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20:55 ElectronLibre Something like that? ·
20:55 VanessaE (I usually just use ctrl-shift-ua to insert a newline.  didn't know it worked beyond that simple sequence)
20:55 sfan5 works in chrome too
20:55 sfan5 VanessaE: it supports all of unicode
20:56 jin_xi newfags cant triforce
20:57 VanessaE that's handy
20:57 VanessaE I'll have to remember that
20:57 VanessaE the compose sequences are shorter for some stuff though :)
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21:07 hawk666 Does anyone know what multiple threads in the server config do ?
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21:09 Jordach In BFD, natural materials don't happen to tile: https://cdn.mediacru.sh/G9sgv9qsZh81.png
21:10 PenguinDad Jordach: that's worse than tiling imo
21:11 Jordach PenguinDad, MTG repeats like an asshole
21:11 Jordach PenguinDad, and when does grass grow in the same pattern every few meters :3
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21:16 hawk666 167.114.71.42 looking for some builders to help build a light role play server :) currently building a city
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21:38 marioxcc hello.
21:38 marioxcc after compiling minetest_server to run in place, and before running it for the first time (so there is no world database) where should I put the "game"?
21:39 marioxcc I tried in ~/.minetest/games/, but it doesn't works.
21:40 marioxcc I tried in the current directory in games/, and it works.
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21:59 AgentFire So um, I have a question
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22:00 AgentFire !up 50.78.228.126
22:00 MinetestBot 50.78.228.126:30000 is up (113ms)
22:01 Amaz One of the rules is don't ask if you can ask questions, just ask! :)
22:01 Amaz So, ask away!
22:02 AgentFire How do you set up a server on minetest?
22:02 VanessaE very carefully.
22:03 AgentFire Is it as easy as accessing your router, or are there more steps?
22:04 Amaz AgentFire, it's pretty easy.
22:04 VanessaE as long as you forward the port minetest is using (in UDP), that's about all you need from your router
22:04 VanessaE running the server is easy enough, maintaining it is the hard part
22:05 AgentFire Well, I had it in both instead of just UDP, does that make a difference?
22:05 VanessaE no
22:05 VanessaE just as long as UDP is forwarded, at least
22:06 AgentFire Which IP do I use. My real IP, or the IP in the Port Forwarding section
22:07 VanessaE minetest doesn't care, but you give your real IP to other players to connect with
22:08 VanessaE minetest just listens on all interfaces, in whichever port you tell it to
22:08 VanessaE when you set up your master server list announce thing, use the real IP also
22:10 marioxcc I think that you people mean private/public IP addresses, rather than real/not-real ones.
22:11 VanessaE marioxcc: that is indeed what he means
22:11 VanessaE just sticking with his terminology
22:11 VanessaE (I assumed "real" to mean Internet/WAN and the other one to refer to his LAN IP)
22:12 marioxcc right.
22:13 VanessaE just please PLEASE don't suggest either of those two evil packages used for creating VPNs. :P
22:23 marioxcc what's the signal to kill minetest_server gracefully?
22:23 Amaz ctrl+c
22:23 Amaz ?
22:23 Amaz :P
22:24 marioxcc well, that's not a signal. The signal is SIGINT when you do that on a shell.
22:24 Amaz Or join the server and use /shutdown
22:24 VanessaE SIGINT
22:24 marioxcc ok
22:24 * Amaz normally uses ctrl+c
22:24 VanessaE oh, you already said.
22:24 marioxcc thanks you. I was asking to have a confirmation
22:24 Cylus It seems odd to me that some people use VPNs for Minetest when setting up a VPN is harder than just simple port forwarding.
22:31 VanessaE bbl
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23:08 zBuilder is it possible to write a script that turns all of one node into another or do I need to regenerate the world without that particular node?
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23:21 ShadowNinja zBuilder: It's possible to use a script.  Just use an ABM.
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23:21 ShadowNinja That will convert nodes as they're loaded.
23:22 zBuilder ah cool
23:22 ShadowNinja You can also convert the whole map, but that's a lot more complicated.
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23:38 marktraceur ShadowNinja: Couldn't you just use an alias?
23:38 ShadowNinja marktraceur: Yes, that should work too.
23:39 zBuilder if it's lthe way it is in the Wiki, that looks pretty straightfoward(the alias thing)
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