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00:02 VanessaE http://soylentnews.org/arti​cle.pl?sid=14/09/10/1149205
00:02 VanessaE nu?  eppes?   no one commented about minetest here yet? :P
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00:11 MrGhetto I've been really interested in MineBot lately, development side especially, from what I can see it's mainly c++/lua?
00:11 VanessaE MineBot?
00:11 VanessaE Maybe you mean Minetest :)
00:12 MrGhetto Sorry, MineTest, i was looking at the IRC client names :P
00:12 VanessaE heh
00:12 VanessaE yeah, it's written in C++
00:12 VanessaE uses Lua for game content and mods
00:13 MrGhetto Okay, so say I wanted to start a server (after I figure out how to) and wanted to develop mods/plugins, I'd use Lua.
00:13 VanessaE yep
00:13 VanessaE and running a server isn't hard
00:13 VanessaE the server comes as part of the normal engine install
00:14 VanessaE you just have to run it with the right command line arguments to point it to the game content you want to use, the world you want to play in, etc.
00:14 VanessaE or I should say, *launching* a server is easy
00:14 VanessaE maintaining it can be a challenge ;)
00:15 MrGhetto I'm up for a challenge :) I'll be on here much more, hopefully start up a server... Lua is my first obstacle.
00:19 blaise whelp, time to roll the server over and boot linux-3.16.2
00:19 blaise XD
00:19 blaise brb
00:22 VanessaE heh, have fun
00:22 ulla vanessae how make protection in your server?
00:22 VanessaE ulla: https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=10&t=8364
00:23 VanessaE read here, under "Land Ownership"
00:23 VanessaE (the instructions are the same for all my servers)
00:23 ulla ty
00:24 MrGhetto Gah. error 0xc000007b when I try to start up
00:24 VanessaE MrGhetto: not familiar with that error
00:24 VanessaE try running it from a command prompt
00:25 MrGhetto First it told me I needed OpenAL32, I got it and put it into my Windows folder, now it gives that error. I'll try through command promt.
00:25 VanessaE oh great, they still haven't fixed that??
00:25 VanessaE here, try one of these instead
00:26 VanessaE https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=1523
00:26 VanessaE or  https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=6727
00:26 VanessaE the unofficial builds work better than the official ones
00:26 MrGhetto Alright, I'll try it when I get back. Thanks!
00:26 VanessaE also theyr
00:27 VanessaE they're newer (e.g. from recent development code)
00:27 VanessaE you're welcome ;)
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00:40 ulla ty vanessae
00:40 MrGhetto Okay I got the 0xc000007b error again. Do I just remove the '.example' off of the 'minetest.config.example'? And leave it in the main filder?
00:41 VanessaE no, leave the file be
00:41 VanessaE anything useful in debug.txt?
00:42 MrGhetto Not sure where that would be? Couldn't come up with anything when I searched
00:42 VanessaE same directory as minetest.conf.example
00:42 MrGhetto No, I just see a README and the folder
00:43 MrGhetto folders*
00:43 VanessaE ok
00:43 VanessaE get rid of openal that you installed, and try one of those builds I pointed to
00:43 VanessaE (they already have it I guess)
00:44 MrGhetto That's what I did, I removed OpenAL from the windows folder and just used the ZIP I got from one of the ones you linked
00:45 VanessaE which one did you try?
00:45 MrGhetto 2nd one
00:45 MrGhetto https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=6727
00:45 VanessaE ok
00:46 VanessaE damn..
00:46 VanessaE try sfan5's then?
00:46 VanessaE (the first link)
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00:47 VanessaE when I look up that error I get references to MSVC being broken or outdated
00:47 MrGhetto I'm trying the 32bit, since the page they linked said to try the 32 if the 64 doesn't work
00:47 VanessaE (which shouldn't matter, that's a compile-time thing)
00:47 VanessaE ok
00:48 MrGhetto Aha! Thank you!
00:48 VanessaE hm?
00:48 MrGhetto Worked
00:48 VanessaE \o/
00:48 MrGhetto Shall I switch to directx (like the 2nd link suggested) or should I not touch something that's not broken
00:49 VanessaE that I don't have any experience with
00:49 VanessaE I run linux here so it's opengl from the get-go
00:49 MrGhetto Eh, it works. That's all I need.
00:49 VanessaE but bear in mind that shaders don't work with directx
00:50 VanessaE (because they're written in glsl)
00:50 MrGhetto Yeah, I'll stuck with OpenGL
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00:57 blaise Linux vaio 3.16.2-gentoo #1 Wed Sep 10 16:44:22 EST 2014 i686 Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1.73GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux
00:57 blaise woot!
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01:19 blaise guess everyone went to bed?
01:19 blaise !server midnight
01:19 MinetestBot blaise: MidnightSystems | midnightsystems.net | Clients: 1/15, 0/1 | Version: 0.4.10 / minetest | Ping: 127ms
01:20 blaise sweet
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01:23 blaise sometimes I exit to main menu and it takes no time at all
01:23 blaise it's back to the menu in a hot microsecond.
01:24 blaise other times it takes like 10-15 minutes
01:24 blaise why?
01:24 VanessaE no clue
01:25 blaise VanessaE: do you run a nuclear power plant on any of your severs?
01:26 VanessaE blaise: there are nuke reactors on three of my servers but I don't run them
01:26 blaise ah
01:26 blaise I can't figure out wth to do with all this depleted uranium
01:27 blaise :G
01:27 VanessaE make it into blocks and keep it for later
01:27 VanessaE it makes good shielding
01:27 blaise o.O
01:27 VanessaE current technic has proper radiation simulation in it
01:28 VanessaE so you will eventually need good shielding in some places - the reactor itself for example.  they will be redesigned soon to me much more complex than they are now
01:28 VanessaE well somewhat more complex
01:29 blaise yay!
01:30 blaise will we get giger counters?
01:30 blaise that would be awesome
01:30 blaise and very helpful for finding uranium while mining
01:31 VanessaE I don't know about Geiger counters...
01:31 VanessaE :P
01:32 * Brains just downloaded Technic to give it a whirl...
01:44 blaise it's excelent
01:49 Brains Looks pretty interesting, I seem to missing some textures thought.
01:49 Brains -t
01:49 * Brains will have to look at the errors a bit later...  Have some reinstall/reboot stuff to take care of first.
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01:55 Brains Any easy way to recover a world that appears to have been damaged when my machine crashed the other night?  I'm not really worried about it as I was pretty much just playing around with Carbone, but it seemed like some good knowledge to acquire.  Loading the damaged world complains about not finding EnvArgsEnd (IIRC).
01:56 iio7 Has minetest experienced any increase in popularity or interest since the DMCA fuss over at Bukkit?
01:57 * Brains wasn't following any of it but some folks in a few shared channels were following it...  Somebody mentioned minetest then and that is how I found it.
01:58 iio7 Nice! I really hope a lot of people join in, especially after the MS rumors.
02:01 Brains The main thing that got me interested was the open nature...  I might mess around with mods/patches/etc later after I've played around for a bit.
02:07 iio7 Yeah, the open nature and the maturity of the software itself makes it a really great candidate for a viable alternative IMHO.
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02:10 Sokomine afaik there's an ore detector mod somewhere. could be abused for a geiger counter as well i guess
02:12 Sokomine Brains: check the files in the world folder. one *.txt file will most likely be empty. it's a textfile and can usually be repaired quite easily
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02:13 Sokomine Brains: minetest is really great when it comes to modding and running on older hardware :-)
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02:21 luizrpgluiz has some java developer who wants to help in the design Terasology too?
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02:25 Brains Sokomine: Heh, the old hardware bit has already gotten some mileage here...  The wife and kid took over my desktop until I threw a server on the house server and let 'em run clients on the laptops (which aren't bad but far from anything high powered).
02:29 iio7 I can't believe how quick the minetest core compiles! And how light it is.
02:30 iio7 We just need some better mob mods IMHO.
02:32 Brains I spent the time before my crash running from tree monsters and slaying a few dungeon masters.  Nothing like a red flash while you're all alone in a deep mine...
02:35 * blaise sips his coffee
02:35 * blaise checks on his nuclear reactors
02:38 Brains Is there a must read page for either Carbone or Technic?
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02:48 iio7 When using carbon, why are there so many items that doesn't show up in inventory? They are there, a mouse over shows the name, but the image doesn't display.
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02:53 VanessaE good question
02:53 VanessaE what item names?
02:53 VanessaE any pattern to them?
02:53 Brains I hadn't run into that but I'm also using the hdx textures so that might have filled in something missing.
02:54 VanessaE iio7: also, is preload item visuals turned on?   if so, turn it off.  it's broken for a lot of people.
02:54 Sokomine iio7: there are some good mob mods out there. not as good as minecraft, but..diffrent. for singleplayer worlds, sapiers animals modpack is very fine. there is also a mobs mod that is based on simple mobs and adds a very nice bee, a wild boar and other animals
02:55 Sokomine the dm's are pretty annoying :-) you're mining peacefully, and then they suddenly start to fire...
03:01 iio7 The preload item visuals are off.
03:03 VanessaE ok
03:05 VanessaE iio7: open source video driver?
03:05 iio7 VanessaE, yes
03:06 VanessaE that would be why
03:06 VanessaE minetest has trouble with open source drivers on some folks' machines
03:07 VanessaE any chance you can try a binary blob/proprietary driver?
03:07 iio7 Nope :)
03:07 VanessaE or in minetest maybe set your driver to "software" instead of "opengl"
03:08 iio7 Any reason why its only working on closed source drivers? I'm guessing it's just a bug?
03:08 VanessaE it is just a bug yeah
03:08 VanessaE but it works fine for some folks
03:08 VanessaE I'm not sure what the cause is
03:08 iio7 I see, ok.
03:08 VanessaE try that mode though, see what it does
03:09 iio7 It's the same.
03:09 VanessaE try burningsvideo then :)
03:12 iio7 Yeah, its working then, but horrible looking :) I'm possible going to try on another box with another OS driver.
03:13 VanessaE ok at least we know it *sorta* works. :P
03:13 iio7 Yeah, minor fixing somewhere hopefully :)
03:19 blaise lol
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04:15 blaise I think it's disgusting that MC can't play LAN with pc and the MC Pocket Edition
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04:31 jordan4ibanez blaise: can we test my node gun on your server?
04:32 jordan4ibanez I need to see if this thing just works
04:32 jordan4ibanez It works in single player
04:35 jordan4ibanez Whoa and I can finally finish and release my power tools
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04:39 blaise jordan4ibanez: sure, why not
04:39 blaise I was willing to help you the last time but you buggered off
04:40 jordan4ibanez Here is the .zip https://www.dropbox.com/s/slxc​u9mhsu1e46g/node_gun.zip?dl=0
04:40 blaise it's a zip?
04:40 blaise you don't have a github account?!
04:41 jordan4ibanez I don't put my mods into github unless they're huge, but I haven't made any new one's lately
04:42 jordan4ibanez meh, maybe I'll start using github again
04:42 jordan4ibanez for mods*
04:43 blaise what other mods do you have?!
04:43 VanessaE could be worse..
04:43 VanessaE you could have been looking at cvs or hg :)
04:44 blaise or svn
04:44 blaise lmao
04:44 jordan4ibanez Wait, how long have you been here blaise?
04:44 blaise I stay here
04:44 jordan4ibanez When did you start playing Minetest?
04:44 blaise I never leave unless I reboot my machine for a new kernel
04:45 blaise oh gosh, I dunno, a few years ago?
04:45 jordan4ibanez Oh god lol. I have maybe 50-75 mods
04:45 jordan4ibanez a lot of them unreleased
04:45 blaise cool, I can't seem to wrap my head around lua
04:46 blaise there's a mod I really like that requires patching to the minetest sources before compiling
04:46 blaise and I would like to keep my server vanilla ...
04:46 blaise it's inspired by carts and monorail...
04:47 blaise so I think my first attempt at messing with modding for minecraft would probably to create a vanilla version of that railcart mod
04:47 jordan4ibanez blaise: is the mod on the server yet?
04:47 blaise https://gitlab.com/CiaranG/ra​ilcarts/blob/master/README.md
04:47 blaise that's the one I'm talking about
04:48 blaise just a sec, I gotta wget it.. dunno if that dropbox url will support wget
04:48 blaise then I need to review the code and make sure you're not trying to root me.. XD
04:48 blaise no offence, just don't wanna be caught with my pants down
04:49 jordan4ibanez Why would I root someone and lose the ability to test my mods on someone's server? lol
04:49 azaki stupid question but... why is there two websites.. minetest.com and minetest.net ..? is one unofficial or what?
04:49 jordan4ibanez minetest.com is unnoficial
04:49 jordan4ibanez unofficial*
04:49 blaise azaki: you didn't even ask about minetest.org
04:49 blaise lmao
04:50 VanessaE who owns minetest.com ?
04:50 jordan4ibanez some guy who came around and left instantly
04:50 jordan4ibanez death dealer worked with him
04:52 blaise jordan4ibanez: can you give me a md5sum of that zip file so I know I have an unaltered version?
04:52 azaki I wasn't aware there was a .org
04:52 VanessaE minetest.org is OldCoder's site
04:53 VanessaE at least that one is legit.
04:53 jordan4ibanez No lol if I upload the code to github can you compare?
04:53 blaise oldcoder was the original core dev?
04:53 VanessaE no
04:53 VanessaE celeron55 was
04:53 blaise ah
04:53 blaise why did he fork?
04:53 VanessaE OldCoder is one of our regulars and a respected community member
04:53 VanessaE you'll have to ask him about that
04:53 blaise politics I would guess
04:55 jordan4ibanez here blaise https://github.com/jordan4ibanez/node-gun
04:55 blaise ty very much
04:55 blaise it's so much easyer to just git clone
04:55 blaise then when you update I can just git pull
04:55 blaise XD
04:55 jordan4ibanez That is a creative item for now, it's overpowered as fuck
04:56 blaise :o
04:56 VanessaE bbl
04:56 VanessaE bedtime
04:57 blaise gn VanessaE
04:57 jordan4ibanez goodnight VanessaE
04:58 jordan4ibanez blaise: blaise blaise
04:58 jordan4ibanez go go go
04:58 blaise 23:58:07: ERROR[main]: Error loading mod "node-gun": modname does not follow naming conventions: Only chararacters [a-z0-9_] are allowed.
04:58 blaise nice job
04:58 blaise XD
04:59 jordan4ibanez whooooooooooooooops it's supposed to be node_gun, gotta recreate the git repo
04:59 jordan4ibanez just change the folder to node_gun
05:00 blaise its up
05:01 jordan4ibanez IP ME
05:01 blaise IP you?
05:01 jordan4ibanez what is your server ip
05:01 blaise !server midnight
05:01 MinetestBot blaise: MidnightSystems | midnightsystems.net | Clients: 0/15, 0/3 | Version: 0.4.10 / minetest | Ping: 761ms
05:02 blaise it's in the public server list
05:02 blaise or you could just type my domain
05:02 blaise you don't even have a crafting recipe?
05:03 jordan4ibanez It was part of a powertools mod
05:03 blaise so?
05:03 blaise how do you plan on creating it?!
05:03 blaise lmao
05:03 jordan4ibanez WITH PLASMA FORGE!
05:03 blaise that still takes a recipe
05:04 jordan4ibanez log onto the server d00d
05:05 Cylus I think I just realized why all these new Minecraft clones are popping up when those people could be joining Minetest development instead: I but those people don't want to share their code. The probably want to distribute in binary form only.
05:06 blaise sapier did an incredible job fixing the lag issues with mobf
05:06 blaise :)
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05:08 SaltyDog001 evenin' all :)  minetest is in C++ and the mods is in language called lua?
05:08 Cylus SaltyDog001: Evening! Yeah, that's correct.
05:08 SaltyDog001 *mods are in ... bad grammar
05:08 SaltyDog001 thx
05:09 Cylus Are you planning to do some code work?
05:09 blaise jordan4ibanez: how did it go?
05:09 jordan4ibanez Pretty well
05:09 SaltyDog001 oh it's been ages since I did anything but the mods do look interesting. Never heard of lua before.
05:10 blaise jordan4ibanez: did you get eaten by vombies?
05:10 jordan4ibanez Too laggy for something that requires almost client-side respond time though
05:10 jordan4ibanez people would get annoyed with it
05:10 blaise it's typicly not that bad, I dunno why it crept up so bad
05:10 Cylus Yeah, I hadn't heard of it before Minetest either, but it turns out others use it too. It's also used by the LÖVE engine.
05:12 jordan4ibanez Mobf
05:12 SaltyDog001 so Cylus you program in lua?
05:13 Cylus SaltyDog001: I do, but only for Minetest. I don't use LÖVE, I've just heard of it.
05:13 blaise jordan4ibanez: sapier did a lot of work to get it where it's at..
05:13 blaise guess I need to get rid of the vombies and the creepers
05:13 Cylus It's an easy language to use, once you get past the indexing from one issue.
05:13 jordan4ibanez I know, but it's still the issue nonetheless
05:13 blaise I kinda wish they didn't look like bomba's from super mario
05:14 jordan4ibanez Remove the creeper and vombie spawning code
05:14 SaltyDog001 I have enough time, maybe try to learn it.
05:14 blaise he made it where you can disable them and they'll remove the mobs and not spawn any more
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05:15 l0nka do game controllers work with minetest?
05:15 jordan4ibanez I must go into the night
05:16 jordan4ibanez Awaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay
05:16 blaise lol
05:16 SaltyDog001 probably buy a book on lua. Seems to work better than reading it on a monitor.
05:16 Cylus l0nka: Not by default, but there's software that can interface the two. I forget what it's called though, I haven't used it in a while.
05:16 blaise that guys kinda nutty
05:17 l0nka that guy
05:17 Cylus I wouldn't even know where to get a book. Maybe a library or a bookstore, but do those still exist? I haven't been to one in ages.
05:17 SaltyDog001 lol Cylus
05:18 blaise Cylus: uh, yeah... pretty sure there will always be book stores
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05:19 blaise Cylus: I personally have a barns & noble
05:19 blaise walden books is popular though
05:19 Cylus blaise: Have as in own?
05:20 blaise no, at my disposal
05:20 blaise I don't have that kind of capital
05:20 blaise lol
05:20 Cylus Less exciting, but still nice.
05:20 blaise meh
05:20 blaise you can always order books online and have them shipped to you
05:20 blaise like the unix bible
05:21 Cylus Shipping? As in snail mail? That still exists too?
05:21 blaise most complete refrence to posix compliant operating environments
05:21 blaise Cylus: maybe not in 200 years, but today.. yes
05:21 * SaltyDog001 gets his retirement checks from the snail mail company :)
05:21 l0nka i just want to play minetest with a game controller
05:22 blaise omaha steaks will send you INCREDIBLE cuts of beef in a large styrophome cooler packed with dry ice
05:22 Cylus I suppose a UNIX manual would be nice to have on hand, but I usually use the GUI. When I can't, I ask DuckDuckGo for advice.
05:23 blaise l0nka: how do you plan on doing anything? it's pretty dependent on mouse interaction
05:23 blaise never heard of duckduckgo
05:23 blaise geocities wannabe? hotbot?
05:23 SaltyDog001 10nka: not sure if this would help  Xpadder or Pinnacle Game Profiler
05:23 Cylus l0nka: I think I found it, but you might need to compile it: <http://qjoypad.sourceforge.net/>.
05:24 l0nka :)
05:24 SaltyDog001 duckduckgo I've been using more and more
05:24 blaise good luck with moving stuff in your inventory
05:24 l0nka try duckduckgo.com/lite and try searching for !bang    <---
05:24 Cylus I think I used QJoyPad back when I played [redacted], but that was a while ago, so I don't remember for sure.
05:25 l0nka u dont play minetest?
05:26 blaise redacted ?!
05:26 * blaise slaps Cylus
05:26 Cylus l0nka: I do play Minetest.
05:26 SaltyDog001 will lua programming in Windoz cross over easily to linux?
05:26 blaise Cylus: did you mean to say Minecrap?
05:26 Cylus blaise: Why the slap?
05:26 Cylus blaise: I did not.
05:26 blaise what was redacted?
05:27 blaise was it doom with the playboy bunny wall textures?
05:27 Cylus An old game I prefer not to advertise for. I wouldn't redact Minecraft though, just because you all already know of it. Mentioning it here wouldn't do any damage.
05:28 Cylus I've never heard of that version of Doom.
05:28 blaise Cylus: are you aware microsoft bought mojang?
05:28 SaltyDog001 really?
05:28 l0nka yes
05:28 Cylus blaise: I'm aware. I'm not a Minecrafter, but I don't like that Microsoft has more at its disposal now.
05:29 SaltyDog001 just like they bought hotmail ages ago
05:29 blaise yes, minecraft won't last long now
05:29 blaise no microsoft game has ever lasted very long at all
05:29 Cylus Well, I guess we hope for the best (Minecraft's demise) then.
05:30 blaise microsoft is a proffesional pump'n'dump company
05:30 Cylus Pump?
05:31 blaise yeah, they suck all the life out of everything, and then disguard the remains in a pit so no one can ever even attempt to fix it
05:31 blaise kinda like EA
05:31 blaise they punp'n'dump humans by forcing them to upgrade to the next version of windows
05:31 blaise and making them pay 4.99 a minute for tech support on the phone
05:32 SaltyDog001 what edition of Lua does MT use?
05:32 Cylus They didn't do a good job forcing people to upgrade from XP. Just saying.
05:32 blaise SaltyDog001: it's not particular
05:32 SaltyDog001 ty
05:33 blaise SaltyDog001: if you give me a sec I can look at the gentoo ebuild for minetest and find out the earlyest version it depends on
05:33 SaltyDog001 ok thx
05:33 SaltyDog001 looks like 5.0 5.1 5.2 it goes
05:34 blaise !luajit? ( >=dev-lang/lua-5.1.4[deprecated] )
05:34 SaltyDog001 thx again
05:35 SaltyDog001 best I will probably do is a mod that says "Hello World"
05:35 Cylus Our Lua version is deprecated? Or the earliest version supported is?
05:37 LazyJ According to what ShadowNinja told me, Minetest is designed to work specifically with Lua 5.1.
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05:39 Cylus LazyJ, SaltyDog001: file:///home/cylus/Public/git/m​inetest/src/lua/CMakeLists.txt
05:40 Cylus Sorry, wrong key.
05:40 Cylus LazyJ, SaltyDog001: minetest/src/lua/CMakeLists.txt does mention Lua 5.1.* at the top.
05:41 SaltyDog001 thx
05:43 blaise Cylus: the earlyest version supported is
05:43 blaise 5.1.4-r8 is the earlyest version I see in gentoo portage
05:44 blaise 5.1.5 seems to be the most widely accepted
05:45 blaise not sure if the api changes drasticly with 5.2.x
05:45 blaise so I wouldn't use it yet
05:45 blaise but I'm sure you're not using gentoo portage so don't worry abou that -r8 buisness
05:45 blaise it signifies that it's the 8th revision of the ebuild
05:46 blaise and ebuilds are just advanced bash scripts to tell portage how to automagicly compile from source
05:46 blaise XD
05:46 blaise and where to get the sources
05:47 blaise and some licensing stuffs
05:47 blaise and I'm going to stop rambling
05:47 * blaise runs off and hides
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05:48 LazyJ o/ kaeza
05:48 kaeza hai LazyJ
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05:55 raffahacks Hi
06:00 blaise he waited a long tine, eh? lmao
06:00 SaltyDog001 thx all, cya later :)
06:02 blaise s/tine/time/
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08:10 CWz Microsoft plans to buy minecraft it seems.
08:12 raffahacks Nooooo! I'll kill myself if it will
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08:14 Cylus CWz, raffahacks: I'm told it's too late. Microsoft already closed the deal.
08:27 JamesTait Good morning all; happy Make Your Bed Day! :-D
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08:54 LazyJ Does anyone know what causes clients to time-out in densely developed areas?
08:55 blaise lag
08:55 blaise block load timing out
08:55 blaise packet loss
08:55 blaise a combination of those and other things
08:55 LazyJ Is there a setting on the server that I could change that would help?
08:56 blaise there's quite a few, I'm not sure of the specifics but I know I've read through quite a bit of discussion on the forums about optimal settings to reduce lag
08:56 LazyJ I've tried a few of those settings.
08:57 LazyJ If they didn't make matters worse, what affect they did have wasn't noticeable.
08:57 blaise mob mods cause lag
08:58 blaise having to many mods causes lag
08:58 LazyJ It would help if there were case examples to better explain the settings. Each server's setup is unique. What works for one may not for another.
08:58 blaise indeed..
08:58 LazyJ We don't have any mobs installed.
08:58 blaise I haven't found the sweet spot for mine..
08:58 LazyJ No Technic, mesecon, pipeworks type mods either.
08:58 blaise I got 2 people on my sever and have 20 seconds of lag
08:58 blaise it's disgusting.. :(
08:59 basse i can't make mine to load up at all :) so i only dream of mods
08:59 LazyJ We have "regulars" from various parts of the world, so some lag is due to shear distance.
09:00 LazyJ Our Spawntown is notoriously harsh on fps.
09:00 blaise high particle count can cause sever lag
09:00 LazyJ But that doesn't explain why players seem to time-out in Spawntown more frequently than other areas.
09:00 blaise lots of smoke and what not
09:01 LazyJ If they stay away from Spawntown, their connections last longer.
09:01 blaise yeah, think of it as being in line at the grocery store
09:01 LazyJ The fake-fire display has been removed.
09:01 basse i think i have some sort of bottleneck on upload bandwidth.. when I enter the server from behind the local network it gets very slow, modem goes to a crawl for a bit..
09:02 blaise every single thing they do is another item in the basket
09:02 LazyJ So it's back to the builds, the waterfalls, the animated lavalamps and tree-lights.
09:02 blaise turing, looking up, placing a block, digging a block
09:02 blaise it all get's put in queue
09:03 blaise when you do something, and there is lag, it doesn't happen instantly
09:03 blaise so it takes that many seconds for it to register on the server
09:03 blaise and that many more seconds to register on everyones clients
09:03 LazyJ So if I slow down the packets, would that help or hurt?
09:03 blaise hurt
09:04 blaise once the line get's so long, you're no longer standing in the grocery store, you're out the back door and around the block
09:04 LazyJ What about the number of packets through the line?
09:04 LazyJ Or would too many packets be like buckshot from a scattergun?
09:04 blaise do you have a HUD mod that shows lag?
09:05 blaise that might help more than just watching fps
09:05 LazyJ No. I didn't install that HUD mod because there would be no end to the complaints about lag.
09:06 LazyJ Some players already complain when they have to mine or cut down a tree.
09:06 blaise heh
09:06 blaise yeah, I complain here.. and I run a server
09:06 blaise XD
09:06 LazyJ How dare we not have a ready made house for them and give them an inventory full of cool stuff.
09:07 LazyJ It's almost as if we expect them to actually play Minetest.
09:07 blaise I do..
09:07 LazyJ Ok, enough rants out of me. At least for the next few minutes ;)-
09:07 blaise my server has hunger mod, farming, all kinds of stuff to make life difficult
09:07 LazyJ Thanks for the info. I'll keep plugging away.
09:07 blaise :)
09:07 blaise me too
09:07 blaise good luck to you..
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09:16 Megaf Hi all
09:16 Megaf Hi LazyJ :)
09:16 LazyJ Howdy, Megaf ;)
09:17 LazyJ How has your luck been with remote media in Minetest? Where you ever able to get that to work?
09:17 Megaf LazyJ: yep, qute easily
09:17 Megaf but I dont do that anymore, no need
09:17 Megaf why?
09:18 blaise LazyJ is having crazy lag problems
09:18 blaise I am too
09:18 LazyJ Miner tried explaining it to me but neither of us has fiddle with it.
09:18 blaise my server has 20 seconds of lag with two people on
09:18 LazyJ Aside from the lag issue, what is the reasoning for remote media?
09:18 Megaf blaise: your server or LazyJs server?
09:19 blaise both our servers
09:19 blaise lmao
09:19 Megaf ok, starting from the start
09:19 blaise apparently LazyJ has people timing out when they get near developed areas
09:19 LazyJ atm you will have the ultimate lag on our server... it's down doing a backup. ;)_
09:19 LazyJ *;)-
09:19 Megaf remote media was a good thing about 8 months ago, when minetestserver was really slow to deliver media
09:20 Megaf if you had enough bandwidht you could setup a simple http server to provide all media
09:20 LazyJ The delivery has since improved?
09:20 blaise idk, if you have some 10k textures to transfer.. then maybe
09:20 blaise XD
09:20 Megaf back then the server would only upload midia to you at a couple of KB/s
09:20 blaise LazyJ: I'm pushing about 250K/s on my WAN port with the media
09:20 Megaf but thats fixed now
09:20 LazyJ We don't have near as many mods installed as some of VanessaE's servers.
09:20 Megaf !server Megaf
09:20 MinetestBot Megaf: Megaf Server v4.0 | minetest.megaf.info:30003 | Clients: 2/9, 1/3 | Version: 0.4.10-Megaf / MegafXplore | Ping: 259ms
09:21 Megaf try my server
09:21 Megaf 100 KB/s of uplink and no remote media in use
09:21 blaise VanessaE's servers are on VM's that are hosted on some seriously beefy hardware
09:21 LazyJ These are terms Miner understands.
09:21 Megaf and tons of mods
09:21 LazyJ I'm just a knuckledragger grounded in the real-world.
09:21 blaise idk wtf causes my lag, honestly
09:22 Megaf blaise: what hardware is it?
09:22 Megaf LazyJ: btw, lots of new mods on my server :)
09:22 basse Megaf: i can see that, still loading :)
09:22 blaise I recently fixed what I thought was causing it.. my cpu was stuck at 800MHz thanks to a broken implementation of intel speedstep
09:22 LazyJ Hehehe... I popped in for a brief moment a few weeks ago.
09:22 blaise but I'm back at the normal 1.73Ghz
09:22 Megaf I got mods from a couple of days ago
09:22 LazyJ My responsibilities on our server has kept me very busy as of late.
09:23 blaise things are MUCH more snappy now, but lag is still an issue
09:23 Megaf basse: if you have preload item visual it will take forever
09:23 LazyJ What Miner and I are seeing is that lately, more and more players are timing-out, at least according to the logs.
09:23 blaise nah, I have it shut off
09:23 basse Megaf: aand loaded
09:23 blaise and waiting for textures to preload never really bothered me
09:24 blaise but when I place a node of cobble stone, and wait 15 or 20 minuts for it to show up, and I'm the only one on.. it seems like a problem
09:24 blaise XD
09:25 blaise I have a pretty low latency connection, so idk
09:25 LazyJ The server is on a VPS, decent enough hardware, but since it's a VPS it's being shared by others.
09:25 blaise 30-40 ms?
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09:26 blaise LazyJ was asking about minetest.conf settings
09:26 blaise I'm curious about that myself
09:26 LazyJ So I'm wondering if some of our problems stem from congestion in the line at the VPS host's end or if the other servers on the same hardware as us are just using more resources.
09:26 blaise I think I might have screwed mine up
09:27 LazyJ Again, the sort of stuff that's in Miner's line of study.
09:27 basse Megaf: server seems to be working nicely .. no big lagging.. nice. load time was a bit much but after that.. fine.
09:27 LazyJ He understands this stuff far better than I but is not always able to communicate it well enough.
09:27 Megaf basse: its a ARM server, not this x86 crap :P
09:28 Megaf 4 cores at 1,2 GHz and 2 GB of RAM
09:28 Megaf and the hard disk is a SD Card of 8 GB
09:28 Megaf power consumtions, 5 watts
09:28 basse Megaf: so maybe you could help me out to figure out of it's even possible to run minetest on this setup of mine...
09:28 blaise arm and x86 are quite different...
09:28 blaise just fyi
09:28 Megaf size, not bigger than a credit card
09:29 blaise an arm quad core 4.4GHz is not the same as a quad core xeon 4.4Ghz at all
09:29 basse trying to make a  little sandbox thingy for my kids and their friends.. i'm running craftbukkit server there now which is working fine, but opensource is more of my thing and i just ran into this project couple of days ago... got interested
09:29 blaise the ARM quad core is maybe a 10th as powerful as the xeon
09:30 basse minetest server however.. horrible slow to connect, or can't connect at all outside the local network.
09:30 blaise just check out the bogomips
09:30 basse http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asus_Eee_PC  hardware is this
09:30 basse 900 series
09:30 Megaf basse: I have a 701
09:31 Megaf Still use it today with Debian Wheezy and GNOME
09:31 basse yes this has lubuntu on it.. nice little thing
09:32 Megaf ok, back to your problems now
09:32 basse and internet connection is about 10megs down and 1megs up
09:32 Megaf in my server, I found 4 lines that are critical for better perfomance
09:33 Megaf basse: I got 15 down 1,5 up, but practical speed is 100 KB/s of up
09:33 Megaf whos having 20 seconds lag?
09:33 Megaf LazyJ: you?
09:33 basse Megaf: which lines?
09:34 blaise Megaf: anything wrong with this? http://pastebin.com/zbEc1djh
09:34 blaise me, 20 seconds of lag
09:34 Megaf I will pastebin, hold on
09:35 blaise !server midnightsystems
09:35 MinetestBot blaise: MidnightSystems | midnightsystems.net | Clients: 3/15, 0/4 | Version: 0.4.10 / minetest | Ping: 2294ms
09:35 blaise Wow,
09:37 Megaf blaise: basse: LazyJ: http://paste.debian.net/120369/
09:37 Megaf max_simultaneous_block_sends_per_client = 2
09:37 Megaf max_block_send_distance = 3
09:37 Megaf max_block_send_distance = 3
09:37 Megaf max_packets_per_iteration = 2048
09:37 Megaf ops
09:37 Megaf emergequeue_limit_total = 256
09:38 Megaf these four lines are really important on my server
09:41 basse well lets try
09:44 sfan5 meow
09:44 sfan5 hi everyone
09:44 basse i dont get it.. connects but world doesnt load up.. and now slows down this whole wifi here i see..
09:45 Megaf basse: well, wifi is a terrible idea for a server
09:45 Megaf Hi sfan5
09:45 basse Megaf: i know.. but as it has been working fine here before i thought minetest would too..
09:45 basse i could try to plug thing thing into the modem and see if there is any difference.. i doubt tho..
09:46 LazyJ Thanks, Megaf. Studying...
09:46 basse Megaf: if you try this: 88.115.37.152:30000  does it load up at all?
09:47 LazyJ What do emergeque_limits do?
09:48 Megaf in VanessaEs server, the higher the better
09:48 LazyJ I'm looking at the minetest.conf.example for reference but the explanations leave a bit to be desired.
09:48 Megaf in my server, the higher the more CPU it uses and slower things get
09:49 Megaf basse: hold on
09:49 Megaf basse: connecting
09:50 Megaf basse: it connected and laoded the world in just a couple of seconds, quite fast
09:50 Megaf but theres a bit of lag yes
09:51 basse but you can connect.. thats good... for some reason i cant (except with local ip)
09:53 Megaf basse, thats because NAT
09:53 Megaf you modem/router will about people from local network conenct to a computer inside it using the internet IP
09:54 blaise !up midnightsystems.net
09:54 MinetestBot midnightsystems.net:30000 is up (463ms)
09:54 blaise hrmm
09:55 blaise !server Midnight
09:55 MinetestBot blaise: MidnightSystems | midnightsystems.net | Clients: 0/10, 0/4 | Version: 0.4.10 / minetest | Ping: 5279ms
09:55 basse Megaf: yes could be something like that.. using external ip inside the same networking.. causes some mixups..
09:55 blaise D:
09:55 basse hasn't bothered with other services so i haven tthought of that..
09:56 Megaf !server Megaf
09:56 MinetestBot Megaf: Megaf Server v4.0 | minetest.megaf.info:30003 | Clients: 2/9, 2/5 | Version: 0.4.10-Megaf / MegafXplore | Ping: 983ms
09:57 Megaf That ping value is useless
09:57 blaise lol
09:57 LazyJ Hmm... let me try that.
09:57 LazyJ !server LinuxGaming.us
09:57 MinetestBot LazyJ: LinuxGaming.us | LinuxGaming.us | Clients: 0/20, 0/0 | Version: 0.4.10-dev / minetest | Ping: 555ms
09:58 LazyJ Ok, that's a ping. So where's the net and little white ball?
09:58 sfan5 !tell Jordach https://www.reddit.com/r/Minecraft/comments/2g1dmz​/mega_thread_the_mojang_acquisition_rumour/ckeq4wn
09:58 MinetestBot sfan5: I'll pass that on when Jordach is around
09:58 * LazyJ made a really lame ping-pong joke.
09:58 basse so there is hope for this thing afterall, great news, and thanks for the configuration tips.. have to start experiementing again..
09:59 Megaf if you have lots of mods is a good idea to use dedicated_server_step = 0.2 or even 0.4, that will make the CPU much less busy
09:59 basse i myself am interested also mods.. and what i can do with those.. when i first set up minecraft server for kids, i thought it would be nice to do some extra blocks and functionality with mods.. but JAVA.. oh man.. that language is mind blowing ugly.
09:59 blaise Megaf: when you get a chance, wanna pop on mine for a sec and check the lag from the far side of the moon for me? XD
10:01 Megaf I can only run one minetest at time here =/
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10:01 blaise Megaf: I would be very greatful.. and maybe run /mods to see if 0.2 is enough? maybe I need 0.4 ?
10:01 basse python is mostly my language..  but i take it minetest uses lua.. with that i think i can live with..
10:02 * sfan5 high fives basse for python
10:02 basse :)
10:02 blaise Megaf: no rush, like I said.. when you have time...
10:03 blaise I've never tried to run multiple minetest clients....
10:03 * blaise tries to start up another instance
10:03 Megaf I do that all the time on Linux
10:03 Megaf but Im on OS X Yosemite now, no idea how to open more mientests
10:04 basse :):)
10:04 LazyJ If remote media isn't used, then curl_parrallel_limit is not needed in minetest.conf?
10:04 sfan5 no
10:06 basse Megaf: while you were on the server.. i didn't notice any hit on network bandwidth.. so it must be something going on with how using external ips inside local network makes it do loops or.. i dont know ..
10:07 basse hmm.. and why it affects only minetest server.. something how port or server address is set up perhaps..
10:08 basse i'm doing this: bind_address = ::
10:08 basse got that from some configuration in forums
10:09 blaise ipv6?
10:09 Megaf basse: you can use 0.0.0.0
10:09 basse Megaf: had that before.. but i think i changed it when i was searching for solution to this same problem
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10:10 Megaf jp_: I have disabled npcs and creatures...
10:10 Megaf server is up again
10:10 jp_ 'k
10:10 basse its really not a huge problem, except that i'd like to give kids the no-ip name for this thing that they will be using... because something people are here sometimes somewhere else..
10:11 Megaf basse: well, I play with my girlfriend, when we were at the same network of the server we would use the internal IP
10:11 Megaf and when on the road we would use the external IP
10:11 blaise set up an alias for the ip on your router
10:12 blaise so if they try to resolve the dynamic dns from inside the LAN it will resolve to the internal IP
10:12 Megaf that moment when you players can rejoin your server MUCH QUICKER than you
10:13 blaise the hosts file can do it
10:13 basse blaise: hey, thats sounds like nice idea actually..
10:13 blaise :)
10:14 blaise looping internal traffic through your WAN port is never good for traffic..
10:14 blaise XD
10:15 blaise the less hops the better
10:16 basse yea yea.. i know i know..
10:17 basse i gets confusing sometimes.. i'm on one machine ssh'in to another with screen on it and forget that and ssh into another and then i look at the monitors and see myself typing in laptop where i am not sitting.... and wondering what is going on..
10:17 basse and then come here and complain software is slow
10:17 blaise muahahaha!!
10:18 sfan5 relevant: https://www.reddit.com/r/fossworldpr​oblems/comments/2fbakx/i_needed_a_te​rminal_but_i_couldnt_find_an_open/
10:18 sfan5 !title
10:18 MinetestBot sfan5: Asus Eee PC - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
10:18 sfan5 wat
10:18 sfan5 !title https://www.reddit.com/r/fossworldpr​oblems/comments/2fbakx/i_needed_a_te​rminal_but_i_couldnt_find_an_open/
10:18 MinetestBot sfan5: I needed a terminal, but I couldn't find an open one that wasn't SSHed into another machine, so I ha[...]
10:19 blaise isn't that what -DD -R is for?
10:19 blaise force detach and attach here ?
10:20 basse heh.. ok thats worse.
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10:22 blaise you could always use a different one
10:22 blaise so you don't get confused
10:22 blaise like tmux
10:22 blaise XD
10:23 basse why it's important to make this setup to work with asingle press of a button from anywhere, is because some of the players look like this http://pasila.lib.hel.fi/~​basse/tmp/vumpsi-mine.jpg
10:24 basse yesterday evening building weird doubledecker-sideways-car-thing on a roof a building that's made our of cheese
10:24 blaise I can't believe homedecor doesn't have a fridge
10:24 blaise :\
10:24 basse out of*
10:24 blaise oh wait, it does
10:28 Megaf well, kids should play on my server
10:28 Megaf most of people there are -15
10:29 Megaf and theres a lot of 8 years old there
10:29 basse cool.
10:29 Megaf and some 30+
10:29 sfan5 >most of people there are -15
10:29 sfan5 minus 15 yrs old?
10:29 Megaf the most common age is 12 and 8 on my server
10:29 basse i started this with my 12 year old one day to find out what the whole minecraft is about
10:30 blaise heh
10:30 Megaf !server Megaf
10:30 MinetestBot Megaf: No results
10:30 Megaf Im clearing objects
10:30 Megaf that will take a long time
10:30 basse so i'm sure we will be visiting your server too.. it's a bit confusing to me still how to actually get going on these minetest servers..
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10:31 basse i tried several, managed to build one house... ok.. but mostly everything is blocked or you can't build here..
10:31 sfan5 !server players:most
10:31 MinetestBot sfan5: just test | 87.110.8.195 | Clients: 42/78, 33/47 | Version: 0.4.10-dev / minetest | Ping: 38ms
10:31 basse and when you can't build, you can't harvest.. and then you don't get any resources.. i don't know :)
10:32 basse i wonder if it was this just test the one with loooongstraight bridges from spawn point. i wondered long way and never found anything i could touch.
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10:46 sfan5 oh god
10:46 sfan5 I'm so stupid
10:47 blaise Megaf: hey, I'm about to fall out of my chair man..
10:47 blaise Megaf: just /msg me here or /mail me on my server when you get a chance to check things out.. :)
10:47 * blaise falls into blistful slumber
10:50 Megaf blaise: Whats the server again?
10:51 Megaf sfan5: you can be many things, but stupid
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11:04 kaeza >Clients: 42/78
11:04 kaeza 43 of those are Guests <_<
11:04 kaeza mornings
11:05 Megaf and 50 of those arent really playing, they will wait forever till the world loads
11:05 Megaf lol
11:05 Megaf buenos dias kaeza
11:06 kaeza bom dia Megaf
11:10 JTE_ o.o
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11:16 john_minetest Hello
11:17 Megaf Hi there
11:18 JTE_ Hewwo john_minetest. :3
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12:00 Megaf https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/1620
12:00 Megaf #1620
12:00 Megaf Request: Progress bar/status/info for /clearobjects.
12:00 Megaf :)
12:01 Megaf What do you think?
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12:22 Megaf Hi asie
12:28 basse well, i'm off .. tomorrow.. more testing :) laters, and thanks!
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12:49 Megaf Hi Amaz
12:49 Amaz Hello.
12:49 Megaf why you not in #gitpack?
12:51 sfan5 !tw https://twitter.com/asiekier​ka/status/510047827339517952
12:51 MinetestBot No drama today? (@asiekierka)
12:51 sfan5 ahahaha
12:52 PenguinDad Huh?
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12:55 sfan5 https://forum.minetest.net/vi​ewtopic.php?p=153789#p153789
12:55 sfan5 lol
12:56 PenguinDad plol
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13:01 h4iku hi all
13:01 h4iku someone knows megaf's server?
13:02 sfan5 yes
13:02 sfan5 Megaf knows Megaf's server very well
13:02 h4iku haha
13:02 sfan5 :D
13:02 h4iku yes, but Megaf is not online
13:02 sfan5 he's online here right now
13:02 h4iku Megaf:
13:03 h4iku ooh, i just don't check :P
13:03 sfan5 he might be away though
13:03 sfan5 he's said something 10 mins ago
13:03 h4iku sfan5: his server seems to be offline, can you check it?
13:03 sfan5 !server Megaf
13:03 MinetestBot sfan5: Megaf Server v4.0 | minetest.megaf.info:30003 | Clients: 3/9, 3/3 | Version: 0.4.10-Megaf / MegafXplore | Ping: 1927ms
13:03 h4iku O.o
13:03 sfan5 !up minetest.megaf.info 30003
13:03 MinetestBot minetest.megaf.info:30003 is up (555ms)
13:03 h4iku I can't connect
13:04 sfan5 hm
13:04 sfan5 let me try
13:04 h4iku wait, seems to connect now
13:05 h4iku it's strange, since last night I cannot connect, but now appears to get in...
13:05 sfan5 works for me
13:05 h4iku you do something magic XD
13:05 sfan5 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
13:06 h4iku that command that you put in this chat
13:06 h4iku :P
13:06 sfan5 !up minetest.megaf.info 30003
13:06 MinetestBot minetest.megaf.info:30003 is up (865ms)
13:06 sfan5 connecting takes a bit
13:06 sfan5 but it seems to work
13:07 sfan5 there it is
13:07 h4iku yes, 865 ms is a lot
13:07 Brains A ping of almost 2 seconds seems a bit strange, doesn't it?
13:08 h4iku yes
13:09 sfan5 the ping can be high sometimes
13:09 sfan5 hm
13:10 sfan5 the server list should probably do 3 pings and calculate the average
13:13 Brains Wonder what ye olde ping does...  I'd probably copy them.
13:13 * Brains goes to take a peek at the manpage.
13:15 Brains Heh, silly me, forgot that it keeps pinging away until stopped.
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13:19 sfan5 Brains: the server list doesn't use /bin/ping
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13:22 sfan5 Brains: https://github.com/minetest/master-s​erver/blob/master/server.py#L133-153
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13:25 VanessaE hi all
13:26 h4iku sfan5: I can't connect to the server again
13:26 h4iku Hi VanessaE
13:28 h4iku I'll be back
13:37 Megaf Sfan5. It was clearing objects and rebooting.
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13:40 Megaf jp_: objects have been cleared
13:40 jp_ I see
13:41 Megaf What about the lag now?
13:41 Megaf !server Megaf
13:41 MinetestBot Megaf: Megaf Server v4.0 | minetest.megaf.info:30003 | Clients: 3/9, 1/3 | Version: 0.4.10-Megaf / MegafXplore | Ping: 364ms
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13:42 jp_ 3.99
13:43 john_minetest The Megaf server isn't laggy for me at all
13:44 * PenguinDad wonders if Nanof's server is laggy as well
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14:52 sfan5 !c 4096**2
14:52 MinetestBot 16777216
14:52 sfan5 hm
14:52 sfan5 !c math.sqrt(16384)
14:52 MinetestBot 128.0
14:52 sfan5 oh
14:52 sfan5 !c (4096**2)/1024
14:52 MinetestBot 16384.0
14:52 sfan5 !c (4096**2)/1024/1024
14:52 MinetestBot 16.0
14:53 sfan5 !c 512**2
14:53 MinetestBot 262144
14:53 sfan5 !c (512**2)/1024
14:53 MinetestBot 256.0
14:53 raffahacks !c 2/0
14:53 MinetestBot ZeroDivisionError: division by zero
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14:58 kaeza >ZeroDivisionError >division by zero
14:58 kaeza you don't say
14:59 raffahacks !c 2/3
14:59 MinetestBot 0.6666666666666666
14:59 raffahacks Can i use squares
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15:01 raffahacks Can i play "Crash the Bot"?
15:01 raffahacks Joking
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15:05 john_minetest !c bot.crash()
15:05 MinetestBot NameError: name 'bot' is not defined
15:05 john_minetest nah
15:05 john_minetest Such a vital function doesn't exist?
15:06 raffahacks !c 2^69456238
15:06 MinetestBot 69456236
15:07 raffahacks !c 99999999*9999999999
15:07 MinetestBot 999999989900000001
15:08 john_minetest raffahacks: We already tried it here.
15:08 john_minetest MinetestBot can't be killed.
15:08 raffahacks Can i try to ban him?
15:09 PenguinDad s/him/her/
15:11 john_minetest All bots are female.
15:12 raffahacks Can i ban her?
15:14 raffahacks !seen minetestbot
15:14 MinetestBot raffahacks: minetestbot was last seen at 2014-08-30 19:56:27 UTC on #minetest-de
15:15 john_minetest Only ops can ban.
15:15 raffahacks And kick?
15:16 john_minetest Only ops.
15:16 john_minetest MinetestBot hates me iirc.
15:16 john_minetest Wait, no.
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15:17 john_minetest !rainbow SPARKLES!
15:17 MinetestBot 4SP7AR8KL3ES!
15:17 john_minetest Hah
15:18 raffahacks !help
15:18 MinetestBot https://github.com/sfan5/minetestb​ot-modules/blob/master/COMMANDS.md
15:18 PenguinDad ————————————————
15:18 raffahacks Expected a command list!
15:18 PenguinDad ^ Rainbow Dash :D
15:19 VanessaE *groan*
15:19 sfan5 !btc EUR
15:19 MinetestBot 1 BTC = 366.0300 €
15:19 raffahacks !md5 aaa
15:20 sfan5 !hash md5 aaa
15:20 MinetestBot 47bce5c74f589f4867dbd57e9ca9f808
15:20 sfan5 like that
15:20 raffahacks Ok she doesn't do everything
15:20 raffahacks Omg she did
15:20 sfan5 I wonder
15:20 sfan5 !hash md5 ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
15:20 MinetestBot 08319d56008dbccb1a2f281995b03f0e
15:20 sfan5 that works too
15:20 sfan5 TIL
15:20 raffahacks !tell your credit card number
15:21 raffahacks This doesn't work
15:21 MinetestBot raffahacks: I'll pass that on when your is around
15:21 sfan5 Why does it ignore you?
15:21 sfan5 oh
15:21 sfan5 she*
15:21 raffahacks What does that sentence mean?
15:21 raffahacks Pass on? I'm not english
15:22 sfan5 tell someone something
15:22 sfan5 basically
15:23 raffahacks So it's keeping a message for "your" lol
15:23 raffahacks !tell sfan5 hello
15:23 MinetestBot raffahacks: I'll pass that on when sfan5 is around
15:23 sfan5 stop abusing !tell
15:23 MinetestBot sfan5: 09-11 15:23 UTC <raffahacks> hello
15:24 PenguinDad !hash sha512 ニャー
15:24 MinetestBot ce304a38f1b53f3bfb0a5a6c49afbd258401cd9282d​8957226225557f366a20002a8731cfe4ca0503ee988​52a6f73f70e70b47a43b1c9831bab0cef53bcb1dbe
15:24 raffahacks It's possible to kill her then by putting many messages... But it's too trolly
15:24 sfan5 nope
15:24 sfan5 that won't have any effect
15:25 sfan5 messages get delivered one-by-one
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15:26 raffahacks She's pretty safe then!
15:27 xedp3x PenguinDad: if it makes you feel, this hase distroy my conoal...
15:27 * sfan5 meows at Transfusion
15:27 xedp3x * console
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15:34 PenguinDad xedp3x: how did this destroy your console?
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15:37 * PenguinDad looks at sfan5
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15:37 * sfan5 purrs
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15:44 ShadowNinja LazyJ: It uses some Lua 5.1-specific functions, it's easily fixed by https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/1277 though.
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16:00 SaltyDog001 g'day all :)  Is is possible to run 2 diff minetest worlds from my rented server?
16:00 SaltyDog001 *at same time
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16:14 john_minetest SaltyDog001: Yes, it's possible.
16:15 SaltyDog001 just rename minetestserver and run that one?
16:15 john_minetest I don't think that renaming is nessecary.
16:16 SaltyDog001 just run it a second time and set path to the world in minecraft.conf
16:16 SaltyDog001 prob lag server but i wanted to try
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16:20 PenguinDad SaltyDog001: minetest not minecraft
16:22 SaltyDog001 yes sorry did NOT mean the 'other'
16:22 * SaltyDog001 get slapped by MT community
16:22 * PenguinDad would like to have the 2 billion dollars :D
16:22 SaltyDog001 so would the irs :p
16:23 SaltyDog001 ok thx for the help
16:29 ShadowNinja sfan5: Use ISO8601 time.
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16:36 rubenwardy Hi All!
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16:50 slacko249391 blargh
16:50 PenguinDad kaeza_: s/blargh/blaaaaargh/ :p
16:51 kaeza_ testing new OS ^_^
16:52 kaeza_ actually, old as hell
16:52 PenguinDad I'd guess you're testing slackware
16:53 kaeza_ close enough
16:53 kaeza_ slacko puppy
16:53 kaeza_ aaaaand it sucks ._.
16:54 Jordach all distros suck
16:55 * PenguinDad slaps Jordach
16:55 Jordach just a personal preference on what you want from it
16:56 Jordach Ubuntu sucks for power users, Arch sucks for n00bs
16:56 Jordach and Gentoo if you're into BDSM
16:56 Jordach >:D
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16:57 Calinou https://fedoraproject.org/​w/uploads/8/84/Poiuyt.svg
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17:09 Krock Hay everypony
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17:11 Calinou http://i.imgur.com/hWuC1zq.jpg
17:11 Calinou hi Krock
17:11 Krock moo moo
17:11 PenguinDad Straw Krock
17:11 Krock hi Calinou
17:11 Krock "minecrosoft"?
17:11 Calinou Microsoft may buy Mojang, did you see?
17:12 Calinou that's the joke
17:12 Krock hmm that's news for me
17:12 Krock srsly?
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17:12 Calinou for $ 2 billion
17:13 Krock if(microsoft.owns(minecraft)) microsoft.kill();
17:15 rubenwardy if (mircrosoft.owns(minecraft)) microsoft.years_til_bankruptcy -= 10
17:15 Krock >mirc rosoft
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17:19 ShadowNinja Notch originally promised to release MineCraft as Open-Source software after sales died down.  If Microsoft buys Mojang that will probably never happen -- asuming Markus meant to keep his word.
17:20 * Krock wonders where all thatmoney went to
17:20 * Krock thinks about millions of downloads and $25 cost...
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17:22 kaeza_ I'm wondering what's the thing behind the acquisition
17:22 kaeza_ I mean, IT'S TWO FUCKING BILLIONS
17:23 Krock Buying known games does not help against bankrupt.
17:24 raffahacks Are you talking about mc?
17:24 Krock generally.
17:25 raffahacks I HATE microsoft
17:25 Krock I loved it until I heard that with mc
17:25 Calinou <ShadowNinja> Notch originally promised to release MineCraft as Open-Source software after sales died down.
17:25 kaeza_ even selling it at $100, how many copies does MS need to sell to even break even?
17:25 Calinou promises are only useful to those who believe it
17:25 raffahacks Bill has no ideas, he just copies and buys others' work
17:25 Calinou Microsoft does free some stuff they do
17:26 Calinou https://github.com/Microsoft/
17:26 Krock Bill doesn't lead M$ anymore IIRC
17:26 Calinou raffahacks, Bill hasn't been MS CEO since 2001 or so
17:26 raffahacks Not just open, mc should have been public domain!
17:26 Calinou same goes for Steve Ballmer who left recently
17:26 * Calinou facepalms
17:26 Calinou anarchy isn't good
17:26 raffahacks He gets money anyway
17:26 ShadowNinja Calinou: I was skeptical, but it still remains fairly popular.
17:26 OldCoder Yo
17:27 PenguinDad CC0 everything!
17:27 * Krock likes Ctrl + Shift + T
17:27 Calinou 1) the sales won't drop off anytime soon 2) “sales dropping off” is subject to interpretation
17:27 Calinou Mojang claims to have sold 54 millions of copies
17:27 OldCoder Who rang?
17:27 Calinou oh, also, Microsoft hosts repositories for free/libre software: https://codeplex.com
17:27 raffahacks Notch thought, money isn't dirty
17:28 OldCoder Money is good
17:28 Calinou more like Notch thought “let's look like I don't want money”
17:28 Krock Calinou, the certificate is old
17:28 OldCoder The use of money is separate
17:28 Calinou Krock, add an exception
17:28 Krock ..using http now
17:28 raffahacks 54mln sold + more than 1bln cracked
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17:29 PenguinDad Krock: the certificate isn't old afaics
17:29 Krock 50 000 000 * $25 = 125 000 000 ?
17:30 Krock !calc 50000000*25
17:30 raffahacks Er... Yes
17:30 Krock !c 50000000*25
17:30 MinetestBot 1250000000
17:30 Krock a zero missing. but it's a lot money
17:31 raffahacks I feel stupid when i make open source software thinking that someone may use my work to earn much money
17:32 Krock nah. they would get money for an outdated version
17:32 raffahacks The way to escape this is set a licence for non commercial and one for commercial use
17:32 Krock CC-BY-NC
17:34 raffahacks The ridiculous anti cracking systems of mc will be improved
17:34 jordan4ibanez Has anyone made a forge mod yet?
17:34 raffahacks Now my friends have cracked updates on mc
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17:35 raffahacks Maybe they just miss mc for their cr*ppy wp
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17:36 Krock I miss a minetest which is 2x faster than mc
17:37 raffahacks Minetest is unfortunately a bit slow with screen updating
17:38 Megaf_ Hi all
17:38 raffahacks Hi
17:38 Krock hi alone
17:39 Krock raffahacks, possibly also releated to irrlicht
17:39 raffahacks I think it's irrlicht
17:39 raffahacks Anyway, it's difficult to switch completely to another graphic lib
17:40 Krock why switch?
17:40 raffahacks But it's possible to fork irrlicht to optimise it for mt only, as i often do on my software with libs
17:40 Krock the namespace irr:: is used in almost every source file
17:41 Calinou Minecraft got large performance improvements in 1.8
17:41 Calinou <22Krock> ..using http now
17:41 Calinou HTTPS with “bad” certificate is way better than HTTP
17:41 Calinou <raffahacks> 54mln sold + more than 1bln cracked
17:41 Calinou most people who download it illegally end up buying it because of the multiplayer
17:41 Krock Calinou, k.
17:41 Calinou <raffahacks> I feel stupid when i make open source software thinking that someone may use my work to earn much money
17:41 Calinou it isn't a bad thing, because it helps your work get known
17:41 Krock omg that answers
17:41 Calinou this is exactly why free/libre software doesn't prevent commercial use
17:41 raffahacks My friends play on every server with cracked one
17:41 Calinou <Krock> CC-BY-NC
17:42 Calinou that is the stupid answer
17:42 Calinou <raffahacks> The ridiculous anti cracking systems of mc will be improved
17:42 Calinou the game basically requires an Internet connection when starting
17:42 Calinou the “Offline mode” stuff was removed
17:42 Calinou (mostly)
17:42 Calinou <raffahacks> Minetest is unfortunately a bit slow with screen updating
17:42 Calinou screen updating?
17:42 Krock you're fast in typoing.
17:42 Krock -o
17:42 Calinou can't hear you over the 600 FPS when looking at sky!
17:43 Calinou framerate depends on your hardware, on settings and on what you render
17:43 Calinou that's all
17:43 * Jordach grins with 440fps
17:43 * Krock grins with 20 FPS
17:43 raffahacks Calinou, I like your answer style
17:43 Jordach 1 spf anyone? :D
17:43 Krock *fps
17:44 raffahacks It remembers me the answers of stallman to emails
17:44 * Krock has 1 fps when pressing R on a NYC server or Realtest.
17:44 Megaf_ I have never meneged to get more than 60 FPS in minetest
17:44 raffahacks He debugs every sentence in a mail
17:45 raffahacks I have 30fps
17:45 Megaf_ it seems like soemthing will not allow it to go further
17:45 raffahacks And about 50 on mac
17:45 Jordach Megaf_, i constantly get 64fps on OpenGL
17:45 Calinou Krock, https://cdn.mediacru.sh/BCdop5BvOX3f.png
17:45 raffahacks Mc*
17:45 Megaf_ I doesnt matter the settings or resolution or viewing distance, it wont got faster than 60 FPS
17:45 PenguinDad Megaf_: have you enabled vsync?
17:45 Megaf_ PenguinDad: nope
17:45 raffahacks Maybe because i play on mac os x
17:46 Megaf_ really, doesnt matter the settings
17:46 Megaf_ raffahacks: Im OS X too
17:46 Calinou I have done better, 113 WPM.
17:46 Megaf_ Yosemite
17:46 * Jordach is a dirt Windows 7 peasant
17:46 Calinou <raffahacks> Calinou, I like your answer style → is this sarcasm?
17:46 Krock Calinou, I ned to close my mouth first...please wait
17:46 raffahacks Hmm, it may be os x fault
17:46 raffahacks Calinou, it's not, really :)
17:47 raffahacks It's still a port on os x
17:47 Calinou OS X tends to slow down gaming because of the heavy 3D stuff
17:47 Calinou play fullscreen to fix
17:47 Calinou (fullscreen = 1 in minetest.conf, also adjust screenW and screenH for width/height)
17:47 Megaf_ 58 FPS with OS X, window and nvidia 320M
17:48 Megaf_ thats kinda avarege
17:48 raffahacks Which is the latest os x port? Megaf's?
17:48 Calinou that's good for such a crappy card :P
17:48 Megaf_ it will drop to 22 FPS in some part of my spawn
17:48 Megaf_ but I got everything off,
17:48 Xack hi
17:48 Xack hey Calinou :)
17:48 Megaf_ Hi
17:48 Calinou hi Xack :D
17:48 Xack I saw the memo :)
17:48 Calinou Xack, http://i.imgur.com/hWuC1zq.jpg ;)
17:48 Megaf_ raffahacks: yep. form a week ago I think
17:48 raffahacks I play on a 2009 non-pro macbook
17:49 Megaf_ 2010 Pro here
17:49 raffahacks So it's much worse
17:49 Xack Calinou: xD
17:49 Megaf_ Core2Duo @ 2,4 GHz
17:49 Xack (i know what it's refering to yes)
17:49 Calinou 5 years old Mac laptop, can't expect too much
17:49 Calinou do realize that such a thing can't run any AAA game of this year ;)
17:49 Megaf_ Calinou: Im actually pretty happy with it...
17:49 raffahacks Have you done precompiled binaries or do i have to compile?
17:49 Xack if they do buy MC, i'll try to get my friends to use minetest
17:49 Krock Calinou, Best Race       152 WPM
17:50 Krock (not my stats) :P
17:50 Xack (i don't play MC much anymore)
17:50 Krock (i don't play MC)
17:50 Calinou (I don't play MC)
17:50 Xack ah, yes, about the memo, Calinou, i might do something with it soon
17:50 raffahacks Xack, with my hate for ms i will too
17:50 Xack i recently got into GCSE year at my school
17:50 Jordach Xack, that's BS
17:50 Calinou GCSE?
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17:50 Jordach BTEC Level 2 in creative IT
17:51 Xack Jordach: ?
17:51 Xack Calinou: The qualification system here
17:51 Xack for college and stuff
17:51 Xack (and jobs)
17:51 Xack Jordach: BS? :P
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17:51 raffahacks Megaf, where are your builds?
17:51 Jordach bullshit :P
17:51 TenPlus1 Hi folks...
17:51 Xack Jordach: i know, but what are you referring to ;P
17:51 Xack *:P
17:51 Calinou what does GCSE mean?
17:52 Xack Calinou: I actually don't know, one sec
17:52 Jordach GCSE's are nothing compared to BTEC and higher courses
17:52 Krock hi TenPlus1
17:52 TenPlus1 hey dude
17:52 Xack General Certificate of Secondary Education
17:52 raffahacks Is there a mc tileset for mt?
17:52 Xack Jordach: :(
17:52 Megaf_ raffahacks: what do you mean?
17:52 TenPlus1 Q. does register_globalstep run once on server for every user, or for every user on game ?
17:53 Xack hm, not sure what i'm doing actually
17:53 raffahacks If i understand correctly mac os x port is yours...
17:53 Brains Is there any guidance on which settings on the settings tab to turn on?  I've got a decent video card...
17:53 * kaeza slaps Jordach
17:53 TenPlus1 Brains, generally I turn them ALL off apart from lighting, fancy trees
17:54 raffahacks I haven't enough money to change computer every three years, i will keep this mac for at least 8 years with every necessary improvement to ram etc.
17:54 jordan4ibanez dafaq kind of error message is this? init.lua:1: unexpected symbol near '�'
17:54 Krock Brains, set maximal range view to 32
17:54 sfan5 o look
17:54 sfan5 a jordan4ibanez
17:54 sfan5 hello
17:55 john_minetest raffahacks: If you didn't buy a mac, you could get the newest computer every 3 years.
17:55 Krock jordan4ibanez, save your files in a Lua-readable coding
17:55 raffahacks Megaf, are the mac ports yours?
17:55 rubenwardy Megaf_: max_fps in minetest.conf
17:55 rubenwardy and other settings
17:55 Megaf raffahacks: is from that guy
17:55 rubenwardy Also, fps > 65 is pointless on most screens
17:55 kaeza TenPlus1, globalstep is exactly that -- a function that gets called every step (if you need to do something with players, you do something like for _, p in ipairs(minetest.get_connected_players()) do ... end)
17:55 raffahacks It was 1000$
17:55 Megaf raffahacks: well, I was talking about my max FPS on Linux actually, sorry
17:56 raffahacks Megaf, ok
17:56 Krock generally, > 60 is useless
17:56 jordan4ibanez That's what I get for changing .txt to .lua
17:56 jordan4ibanez and hello sfan5
17:56 sfan5 o/
17:56 john_minetest raffahacks: For that, I can get the fastest computer aviable plus a slower but still good one.
17:56 kaeza <jordan4ibanez> dafaq kind of error message is this? init.lua:1: unexpected symbol near '�'
17:56 raffahacks My next pc will have no os
17:56 kaeza Unicode BOM?
17:56 TenPlus1 kaeza, that's what I do in PlayerPlus mod, but am wondering if it's called every n seconds on server, or every n seconds for every person connected's pc ??
17:56 sfan5 possible
17:56 Brains Krock: Why?  Default viewing range (whatever that is) gets me 65fps at the moment.
17:56 Jordach raffahacks, http://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/​wiki/builds#wiki_the_next-gen_crusher
17:56 sfan5 !c ord(u'�')
17:56 MinetestBot 65533
17:56 rubenwardy GCSEs are easy. BTECs are easy. Do A Levels, bitches!
17:56 Jordach start there with building PC's
17:57 sfan5 hmpf
17:57 sfan5 thats the actual missing char thing
17:57 kaeza TenPlus1, every server step (~50ms normally)
17:57 raffahacks I can build a pc, but it's expensive...
17:57 * rubenwardy got 99% in A Level Mathematics.
17:57 TenPlus1 kewl, thanks kaeza...
17:57 john_minetest raffahacks: As long as I don't compile or play games with opengl, my old pentium 4 is enough for everything.
17:57 Krock Brains, nvm. understood "decent" wrongly
17:58 Brains Krock: Heh, no worries.
17:58 Jordach raffahacks, bullshit
17:58 Jordach amazon has you covered
17:58 kaeza TenPlus1, If you need to do something at some interval, use minetest.after() and re-register the callback inside itself
17:58 raffahacks Must go bye
17:58 kaeza (or set up a timer manually)
17:58 Krock bye raffahacks
17:59 john_minetest raffahacks: You can get the latest i7 in a laptop with 15'' and HD for less than you pay for an apple macbook with 13'' and an i5.
17:59 Jordach nonononono
17:59 Krock too late.
17:59 john_minetest 2l88
17:59 Jordach john_minetest, i7s aren't worth iyt
17:59 rubenwardy or even better, a degree
17:59 Jordach rubenwardy, nobody hires Uni grads
17:59 * Brains turns it all on 'cept for opaque water.
17:59 john_minetest i7 is quite nice. But now that I got one, people keep telling me that AMD is much better for compiling.
18:00 TenPlus1 kaeza: for some reason I was under the impression that globalstep was called on each and every client connected, am glad it's on server only...
18:00 Krock john_minetest, wut? all powerful processors are also good for compiling.
18:00 rubenwardy Nobody hires people with only BTECs
18:00 Brains Once you've got a halfway decent proc, you need memory and fast storage more.  IMHO, of course.
18:00 Brains (For compiling)
18:00 TenPlus1 OMG, minetest just died on me trying to load a v6 world with vanessa's plantpack... ouch!!!
18:01 john_minetest Krock: i7 basically the top consumer processor from intel. AMD has some processors with a lot of cores.
18:01 Calinou not all i7s have 4 cores
18:01 Jordach rubenwardy, and what, never pay back the money to the Uni as you won't get a job?
18:01 Calinou some have 2 cores, some have 6, some have 8
18:01 * Krock keeps compiling his windows builds on a 3.06 GHz Win XP machine.
18:01 Calinou the dual-core i7s are not worth their price at all!
18:01 rubenwardy I am not going to Hull.
18:01 Calinou anyway, you better buy i5 + SSD rather than i7 + HDD, the latter is a senseless combination
18:01 Krock john_minetest, yeah. true.
18:01 john_minetest I am compilng on a quadcore (8 threads) i7.
18:01 Krock singlecore ftw! lel
18:01 john_minetest Laptop has a dualcore i7 (4 threads)
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18:02 rubenwardy 98% of graduates get jobs after where I am going. Also, I am studying computer science, so a degree is kind of needed to be a specialist.
18:02 Calinou john_minetest, there's an octo-core (16 threads) i7 now, the 5960X… about € 1,000
18:02 Calinou uses DDR4 (X99 chipset)
18:02 john_minetest And my third computer got a pentium 4 singlecore @ 2.0GHz
18:02 Calinou DDR4 is very expensive for next to no benefit right now, it'll become useful in 2016 when Skylake will use it.
18:02 Krock hmm... I've got a 75 MHz CPU somewhere
18:02 TenPlus1 if we could someone get minetestserver to use the GPU specifically for mapgen functions that would be awesome
18:02 john_minetest When you  look at it, the bottleneck isn't CPU or RAM.
18:02 Calinou <rubenwardy> Nobody hires people with only BTECs
18:02 Calinou better than nothing, but indeed, you do need a degree most of the time.
18:03 Calinou sadly, study duration has been increasing
18:03 Calinou same for cost
18:03 rubenwardy I was making about point about how absolute Jordach has been
18:03 Calinou TenPlus1, there's an huge amount of compatibility issues
18:03 Calinou also, concurrency must be avoided at all costs
18:03 Krock TenPlus1, best thing would be to use crappy GPU, therefore good CPU
18:03 TenPlus1 I can imagine Calinou...  never easy to build in the functions you want...
18:04 john_minetest While nvidia uses CUDA and similar, AMD got their new thingie, named after some guy. Mendel iirc.
18:04 Calinou AMD has Stream, which is used… nowhere! what a surprise!
18:04 Brains Mantle?
18:04 Calinou OpenCL is the real standard: crippled by NVIDIA, buggy on AMD and Intel. ;)
18:04 Calinou welcome to the wonderful of GPU Computing
18:04 TenPlus1 one feature I would REALLY love added is a min_height and max_height for v7 map  decoration... also for schematics to have place_near as well as simple nodes
18:04 Calinou wonderful world*
18:05 Calinou TenPlus1, did you open an issue?
18:05 TenPlus1 it's not really an issue, more of a request...  does it still count ???
18:05 Krock yes.
18:05 TenPlus1 sweet, will do that now... thanks :)
18:05 Krock feature requests exist as issues
18:05 Calinou you can make feature requests
18:05 Calinou we clearly don't have enough of them! (sarcasm)
18:06 john_minetest Brains: Lol, I never read about  it but people talked about it. So I thought it was "Mendel". But you're right, it's "Mantle".
18:07 john_minetest Calinou: True, we need much more feature requests. Minetest devs are bored all the time because there is not enough input.
18:07 Calinou Mantle is a graphics API (competitor of Direct3D and OpenGL, lower-level, benefits on slow CPUs), not GPU Computing
18:07 sfan5 Calinou: buggy on AMD? can't reproduce
18:07 Calinou Mantle is mostly a commercial gimmick
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18:07 Calinou sfan5, you get the joke ;)
18:07 john_minetest Lol, then my friends were wrong.
18:07 sfan5 kk
18:07 Brains Is there a way to pull the values of things like viewing range and such from inside the game?  I poked around the wiki a bit but must have missed it...
18:07 Calinou all the actors hope to get GPU Computing on the scene of “consumers”, but they've been failing for 6 years or so
18:08 Calinou too much bugs, incompatibilities, etc
18:08 sfan5 Brains: from Lua? no
18:08 Krock Brains, + and - change the minimal range view
18:08 sfan5 OpenCL works good
18:08 Calinou minetest.setting_get()
18:08 sfan5 Brains probably means the current viewing range
18:08 Calinou sfan5, crippled on NVIDIA, some software supports only CUDA (Blender)
18:08 Calinou OpenCL support isn't planned for Blender
18:08 Calinou because “CUDA is faster and OpenCL is crap” as usual…
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18:08 sfan5 the settings only have _min and _max
18:09 sfan5 Calinou: you were talking about bugs and incompat. now you're talking about Blender
18:09 Xack dat sfan5
18:09 sfan5 dat Xack
18:09 Xack 2cat4me
18:09 sfan5 2xack4me
18:09 Xack :D
18:09 sfan5 :D
18:09 * Xack installs Carbone onto his server
18:09 * sfan5 meows
18:09 * Brains was thinking from inside the game as a user.  "The debug info shows a v_range of 495 and so I was curious what the min/max was..."
18:09 PenguinDad 224me
18:10 sfan5 Brains: looked into defaultsettings.cpp?
18:10 Calinou Xack, sadly Carbone's missing a few things like TNT redo and such
18:10 Calinou it's not that much in sync with minetest_game :/
18:10 Calinou that's the problem with 3rd party games
18:10 Calinou I use constant 130 view range, Brains, works well thanks to the performance improvements
18:10 Calinou I always have more than 60 FPS ;)
18:10 Xack Calinou: hm...
18:10 Calinou set viewing_range_nodes_min and viewing_range_nodes_max to the same value
18:11 Xack do you have a list of things that aren't in sync?
18:11 Calinou (if min is higher than max, then the min value is used, this is how you can use + and - to tweak the distance)
18:11 Calinou Xack, no
18:11 Xack i want to help you in someway :P
18:11 Xack ok, to the interwebz!
18:11 Brains Calinou: Stationary, I 've got 60-65.  If I spin madly while moving around hills, I think I can get it to drop into the high 30s...  So I'm not really worried about the performance, more just curious.
18:11 Calinou I'd like to merge the TNT rewrite (keeping my own textures) and fixing the silliness (enable TNT by default)
18:11 Xack Want me to try doing that? :P
18:11 Calinou Brains, disable the waving stuff? enable mip-mapping?
18:11 Calinou Xack, you can
18:12 Calinou no guarantees of me merging your stuff though
18:12 Xack ok :)
18:12 Xack :P
18:12 TenPlus1 could you have TNT mod check for 'explody' nodes and have them ignite as well ?? seems to be a group never used
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18:14 Brains sfan5: Not yet, I think that will be my next peek.
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18:16 Brains Heh, I think my viewing range being set to 495 was some random key pushing...  I just found it listed in my minetest.conf.
18:19 * Brains likes a nice long viewing range...  How else can he navigate by lit up towers.
18:19 TenPlus1 lol I wish, am lucky if I can see 30 nodes ahead
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18:20 Brains A big wavy tree just killed my fps though, down to the 30s.
18:20 MinetestBot 4Tree7eeee8eeee3eeeeeeee6eeeeeeee4es.
18:20 Brains lol
18:20 Xack lol
18:21 MinetestBot 4It w7as t8empt3ing and 6I had to4.
18:21 TenPlus1 take it there's no easy way to read player 'set_physics_override' values ?
18:30 * Brains is going to strap his viewing range down to ~100.  That seems a good long useful way without being too silly.
18:30 jordan4ibanez MY EYES
18:30 jordan4ibanez THE COLOR
18:31 Krock !rainbow <jordan4ibanez>MY EYE<jordan4ibanez>THE COLOR
18:31 MinetestBot 4<jor7dan48iban3ez>MY EY6E<jordan4​4iba7nez>8THE 3COLOR
18:32 jordan4ibanez noooooooooooooooooooooooooo​oooooooooooooooooooooooooo
18:32 jordan4ibanez !rainbow noooooooooooooooooooooooooo​oooooooooooooooooooooooooo
18:32 MinetestBot 4nooo7oooo8oooo3oooooooo6ooooooo​o4oooo7oooo8oooo3oooooooo6ooooo
18:33 jordan4ibanez Now that, actually hurts to look at
18:33 * TenPlus1 goes blind
18:36 Megaf 69 FPS running minetest in fullscreen here
18:36 TenPlus1 what's your setup megaf ???
18:36 PenguinDad jordan4ibanez: noooooooooooooooooooooooooo​oooooooooooooooooooooooooo
18:36 Megaf MacBook Pro mid 2010 NVIDIA 320M Core2Duo at 2,4GHz
18:37 TenPlus1 sweet, shame about the mac part tho....
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18:38 * TenPlus1 has Acer Aspire Revo, Nvidia Ion v2, 2Gb ram, Intel Atom 1.8 dual-core
18:39 * Brains should have mentioned his specs before...  i5-2500k@4.3Ghz, 8GB RAM, AMD Radeon HD6950
18:39 TenPlus1 erk, must fly like the wind that one
18:40 Brains Generally, it is very happy....
18:40 * e1z0 have intel pentium II 450mhz
18:40 TenPlus1 elz0, wow, does it even run
18:40 Calinou <BLinK>OMG HTML5!!!!!!</BLINk>
18:40 Calinou Brains, i7-2600K, 8 GB DDR-1600, NVIDIA GTX 570 here.
18:41 Calinou and a 256 GB SSD
18:41 TenPlus1 oh yeah, got SSD (120gb sandisk)
18:41 Brains The wife and kid usually play with their clients on some Dell Latitudes..  C2duo@2GHz 2GB and some Intel onboard.
18:42 * TenPlus1 has disabled clouds, fog, debug, rollback to speed things up
18:42 Calinou clouds are off here too, gives more FPS
18:43 Calinou disabling fog is a tiny bit better, but disabling it makes the game look unfinished
18:43 TenPlus1 maybe should add a clear cloud block and make REAL clouds users can collect :)
18:43 Calinou rollback is disabled by default
18:43 Calinou the clouds wouldn't move
18:43 Calinou but you can make transparent, non-walkable blocks
18:43 TenPlus1 or floaty ones
18:43 Calinou or the Rainbow Dash mode: non-walkable, climbable blocks ;)
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18:46 blaise how do we know when a /clearobjects is finished?
18:46 TenPlus1 it tells you
18:46 TenPlus1 sometimes it takes forever
18:46 blaise in the client console? or in the log?
18:47 blaise do I have to remain connected with the client for it to complete?
18:48 TenPlus1 tells you onscreen and in terminal as far as I'm aware
18:48 TenPlus1 runs on server though, so if you are connected you can leave and it'll keep going
18:48 blaise shweet
18:49 * blaise chugs five gallons of mint chocolate chip coffee
18:49 * blaise vibrates
18:49 TenPlus1 PilzAdam: did you ever get a working routine for Simple Mobs that allows mobs to fly around properly ?
18:50 TenPlus1 sounds delic. blaise
18:50 blaise TenPlus1: I'm wondering about simplemobs mob cleanup...
18:51 TenPlus1 I've already posted Mods Redo mod using latest api and a few new additions, but having a bird fly properly is hard to accomplish
18:51 blaise like if we remove the simblemobs mod, how do we get rid of all those random non textured mobs running around punking everyone
18:52 blaise 7 out of ten gulls simply fly straight up in the air into space
18:52 PenguinDad zat: :D
18:52 TenPlus1 adding a shark was a lot easier...
18:52 blaise it's, incredible how they can sustain flight well past the possible existence of an atmosphere
18:52 zat PenguinDad: :D
18:53 blaise what's the ceiling on an atmosphere on earth? close to 100k feet right?
18:53 TenPlus1 space gulls from outer space
18:54 blaise I know the SR-71 couldn't fly higher than about 97k feet
18:54 blaise and that's right on the edge, skimming in and out of the atmosphere, yes?
18:55 blaise I have the skyland mod installed, and I'm wondering if I'll ever see any floating land mass in the air
18:55 blaise and at what altitude.. 200+ feet is what the lua says
18:55 TenPlus1 since the map limits are 30,000 above and below, it would be kewl if we could ZONE the map into 3 different worlds...  underworld, above world and aether...
18:55 TenPlus1 each with it's own mapgen facility...
18:55 blaise indeed..
18:56 Calinou already possible with mapgen mods?
18:56 TenPlus1 we have a roof and floor for each zone so we cannot cross over...
18:56 blaise hell, I'm curious about distributed servers... and client handover..
18:56 Calinou use a solid, unbreakable node
18:56 TenPlus1 bedrock is easily made :)
18:56 Calinou I've made a bedrock/deepstone mod
18:56 TenPlus1 but having it's own mapgen is another thing...  v7 mapgen works on land only, never in the air and never below ground... you have to make your own for that
18:57 blaise didn't I see the devs talking about moontest ? minetest on the lunar surface?
18:57 TenPlus1 if I make a biome that's lower limit is -30,000 and upper limit is -1000 it doesnt work... all rock and ore generation and caves
18:57 blaise I could never get v7 to generate anything but rocky islands in a water world type setting
18:57 blaise nothing but rock and water
18:57 Calinou https://forum.minetest.net/search.php?keywor​ds=&amp;terms=all&amp;author=Calinou&amp;fid[]=11&fid[]=13&fid[]=15&sc=1&sf=titleonly&sr=t​opics&sk=t&sd=d&st=0&ch=300&t=0&submit=Search
18:58 TenPlus1 you have to add the biomes in a mod for that to work...
18:58 Calinou yes, you have to use a Lua mapgen
18:58 TenPlus1 I tried making an underworld for Ethereal but it wasnt having it...
18:58 Calinou the speed is bearable if it's not the main dimension
18:58 blaise lol
18:59 TenPlus1 ended up having to write my own nether mod, like many others (that are prolly better)... and the caverealms is amazingly done but slow
18:59 Calinou quite fast here
18:59 blaise awe, man!
18:59 blaise damn
18:59 Calinou still about 200 ms per MapBlock
18:59 blaise my server crashed while doing /clearobjects
18:59 TenPlus1 <-- 1.8ghz dual core with nvidia ion v2 (not the fastest)
18:59 blaise :~(
19:00 blaise my server is on an intel pentium M (dothan) 1.73GHz
19:00 TenPlus1 blaise, why you running clearobjects... use Builtin_item mod (the new one) which clears objects as players play
19:00 blaise i915 video, but it's a dedicated server so that doesn't matter
19:00 blaise TenPlus1: nobody hit me with it, dude.
19:01 Calinou NVIDIA ION is pretty slow
19:01 Calinou it died early
19:01 TenPlus1 this is ion v2 :) ehehe... works for me but yeah, died a death
19:01 TenPlus1 can get 30fps on a good day
19:02 TenPlus1 which is why I enjoy tweaking mods so much and improving speed if I can
19:02 blaise I have a HIS IceQ Radeon HD 4670 that's pretty awesome, but the machine that can use it has a bad bios.. and .. well.. I need a new motherboard..
19:03 blaise Builtin_item mod, eh?
19:03 * blaise googles
19:03 Calinou unsupported card :(
19:04 TenPlus1 or you can add     item_entity_ttl = 120      to your minetest.conf file and it should remove any dropped items after 120 seconds
19:05 blaise this? https://github.com/PilzAdam/builtin_item
19:05 TenPlus1 but builtin works well and destroys objects dropped into lava :)
19:05 TenPlus1 yeo
19:05 blaise doesn't minetest have a default ttl of like 10 minutes?
19:05 TenPlus1 set to 900... yes
19:05 blaise so I shouldn't even need to /clearobjects
19:05 TenPlus1 Clips server lagged like crazy before adding that mod, saved it
19:06 TenPlus1 it'll clear any objects laying around for you... map always clean
19:06 blaise if no one has been on in 10 hours,
19:06 blaise lol
19:06 TenPlus1 can ua ccept files ?
19:06 TenPlus1 er... can you accept files on here ?
19:06 Calinou I have my own builtin_item, blaise
19:06 Calinou there's no default ttl
19:06 Calinou items can stay in lava just fine and they don't flow in water
19:07 TenPlus1 same here Calinou , makes it a lot simpler :)
19:07 TenPlus1 although I like the lava destroy, not the water movement
19:07 Calinou I've disabled water movement because it's a buggy hack
19:07 Calinou my version also destroys items which fall in fire and maptools:igniter
19:08 blaise TenPlus1: yeah, send away
19:08 blaise XD
19:08 TenPlus1 I changed it so it destroys items hitting anything HOT... (lava, fire, torch)
19:08 Calinou you need ports forwarded to use DCC, in general
19:08 Calinou torch? makes no sense
19:08 Calinou that'
19:08 Calinou that's the home to so much unwanted destructions :P
19:08 TenPlus1 I made torches hurt also on server when you walk into them..... they are fire afterall :P
19:10 TenPlus1 hrm, this client doesnt even have dcc... pah!
19:10 blaise ehm builtin_item seems to, eh
19:10 blaise crash my server
19:10 blaise XD
19:12 blaise or, maybe not
19:12 blaise hrmm
19:12 blaise weird
19:12 blaise it didn't display the normal minetest splash in the log and show it was listening
19:13 Calinou I once made builtin_item make items float in water
19:13 Calinou too buggy :'(
19:13 TenPlus1 blaise: get it here- http://wikisend.com/downlo​ad/556802/builtin_item.zip
19:13 Calinou at least mobs-floating-in-water works
19:14 TenPlus1 oh yeah I saw that one Calinou , was funny watching it bobbing around
19:15 Calinou https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/823429​22/minetest/carbone-mods/builtin_item.zip
19:15 TenPlus1 does the carbone version group dropped items also ?
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19:17 blaise meh
19:18 TenPlus1 ?
19:18 blaise I'll stick with git
19:18 blaise I'm paranoid
19:19 Calinou there's no grouping, sorry
19:19 Calinou (is this possible?)
19:19 Calinou if you hold Sneak + Drop key, you'll spam item dropping :P
19:19 TenPlus1 blaise, the one I linked is taken directly from minetest itself (it's in the code) but with some slight changes)
19:20 TenPlus1 Calinou: yeah, if you drop 20 single dirt blocks, it groups them together into 1 item
19:20 TenPlus1 check it out :)
19:20 TenPlus1 http://wikisend.com/downlo​ad/556802/builtin_item.zip
19:20 Calinou OK
19:21 Calinou whoa, this is complicated stuff
19:21 Calinou it's on_step so if you have a lot of items, it's quite heavy
19:22 TenPlus1 thankfully it keeps the world tidy so the items dont gather, it does all the cleaning for ya to speed things along
19:22 TenPlus1 that's why Xanadu server is fast
19:22 Jordach >Borderlands 2, Pre-sequel, Civilization Beyond Earth, CoH 2, Dead Island, CS:GO, Outlast, Darksiders 1&2, Tropico 5 also will have Linux versions.
19:22 * Jordach droooooooooolllllssss
19:23 TenPlus1 sweet, wonder if any will hit the Humble Bundles :)
19:23 Calinou TenPlus1, http://paste.ubuntu.com/8321281/
19:23 Calinou try these settings
19:24 Calinou Jordach, all of my games already have these “Linux versions”, thank you
19:24 Jordach Calinou, i spent a shit ton of time on Borderlands 2
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19:27 TenPlus1 Calinou: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8321299/ <--- Xanadu settings
19:28 TenPlus1 sad to say but one of my best games (apart from American McGee's Alice and Alice: Madness Returns) is Psychonauts :)
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19:33 Calinou lol, Alice
19:34 TenPlus1 love those games :) were nice n creepy
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19:35 Calinou maybe try OpenArena <http://openarena.ws/> then
19:35 TenPlus1 interesting :)
19:36 TenPlus1 Calinou: wanna try my new Fire mod for Carbone ?
19:37 Calinou brb, rebooting
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19:38 TenPlus1 that was a quick reboot :P
19:40 Calinou SSD :p
19:40 Calinou no automatic login though
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19:40 TenPlus1 sweet.......  here's my take on FIRE mod : http://paste.ubuntu.com/8321396/    current settings seem to work really well when burning down forests :P
19:41 TenPlus1 still need textures and sounds from original though :)
19:41 Calinou I nerfed the fire mod
19:41 Calinou good enough to me
19:41 Calinou also logs some stuff
19:41 TenPlus1 ah, no probs
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19:44 Xack hi :)
19:44 TenPlus1 hi Xack
19:45 TenPlus1 laters folks... gotta update server :)
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20:27 Calinou http://realtimerendering.com/erich/minecraft/p​ublic/mineways/images/smoothing_happy_home.jpg
20:27 Calinou http://realtimerendering.com/erich/minecraft​/public/mineways/images/smoothing_adobe.jpg
20:27 Calinou hahaha
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20:34 hisforever how do you make minecoins?
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20:49 hisforever hi How do you put lettrs on a sign?
20:49 Calinou hisforever, right-click it
20:49 hisforever ok
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21:11 dumdidum how can i take items out of a mv furnance (technic mod) with tubes?
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21:13 hisforever Hi sorry fopor all the questions but I'd like to know how do I increase the font size on my sign?
21:22 VanessaE dumdidum: put a control logic unit in the furnace or use a filter-injector.
21:23 VanessaE hisforever: if you mean signs_lib in Home Decor, font sizes are not adjustable yet.
21:23 blaise in the furnace?
21:24 VanessaE blaise: it's a MV Technic Furnace
21:24 VanessaE it has upgrade slots
21:24 VanessaE put a Control Logic Unit into one of the upgrade slots
21:25 dumdidum VanessaE: i tried that. control logic in upgrade slot -> items are not going into the tube. and itemwise filter-injector can't take items out ...
21:25 VanessaE dumdidum: sounds like either technic is outdated or pipeworks is - also tubes will only eject items out to one side (right I think)
21:29 blaise your right, if you're looking at it's front
21:29 blaise but the left side of the machine
21:30 blaise I was rather upset about that myself..
21:30 blaise I was thinking it would be in one side and out the other
21:30 dumdidum blaise: so if i have a control logic unit all cooked items should go into the left tube?
21:31 blaise the left ear of the device supports both in and out
21:31 blaise everything else is iffy
21:31 VanessaE right tube.,
21:31 VanessaE don't confuse him, blaise
21:31 VanessaE right right side, dumdidum.
21:31 VanessaE the right*
21:32 VanessaE almost everyone always calls the sides of the machine as if looking at the front :P
21:32 blaise like if you're standing in front of a stove and slap the side of it with your right hand
21:32 blaise you would have cut yourself on VanessaE's glass tubes
21:32 blaise XD
21:32 VanessaE :P
21:33 VanessaE they were plastic until technic went and registered new recipes :P
21:34 blaise :]
21:35 dumdidum VanessaE: ok, i put a normal pneumatic tube segment on the right side of the furnance and a control logic unit into the upgrade slot -> nothing happend ...
21:35 blaise does it have power?
21:35 blaise network?
21:35 VanessaE ok make sure your pipeworks and technic are 100% updated - there were some changes not long ago that affect the calls to the tube stuff
21:36 blaise is there crap in the 4 payload bay's to eject?
21:36 dumdidum the furnace? sure, it cooks all items
21:36 VanessaE I tested this myself and it works fine
21:36 blaise I also can attest that it works fine
21:36 VanessaE http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/h​obbies/minetest/screenshots/Screenshot%20​-%2009012014%20-%2012%3a02%3a34%20AM.png
21:37 blaise some people put two CLU's in there to help it keep up with what ever equipment you have it hooked up to
21:37 blaise like if it's a fully automated assembly line
21:37 dumdidum ok, i will download technic mod again, maybe i have a buggy version ...
21:38 blaise I'm gonna git pull too
21:38 blaise XD
21:38 VanessaE dumdidum: pipeworks too
21:38 dumdidum i can do an update with git, right? does anyone now the comment. i use it nearly never ...
21:39 VanessaE sure you can if you cloned it to begin with
21:39 dumdidum *command
21:39 VanessaE doesn't work with the zip method though I don't think
21:39 blaise looks like I was up to date
21:39 VanessaE cd pipworks; git pull
21:39 dumdidum i cloned it with git
21:39 VanessaE pipeworks*
21:39 dumdidum ok, thanks
21:40 blaise snow and moresnow, and moretree's and plantlife and armor
21:40 blaise oh, and homedecor
21:40 blaise nothing else updated since a week ago
21:40 blaise XD
21:40 VanessaE update homedecor :P
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21:40 VanessaE if it's more than 5 seconds old, it's outdated :P
21:40 blaise lol
21:41 blaise I'm a little disturbed at the size of the toilet paper roll compared to the size of the toiled
21:41 blaise *toilet*
21:41 VanessaE heh
21:41 VanessaE it's the same size as before :P
21:41 VanessaE besides, some people in Minetest are full of shit.
21:41 VanessaE need lots of toilet paper to handle that
21:42 dumdidum it works
21:43 dumdidum thank you :)
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21:44 dumdidum but why is it the right side and not the back? now i have to leave a slot free between my mv devices ...
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21:45 jordan4ibanez Can I change a block's texture on the fly?
21:46 VanessaE jordan4ibanez: no.
21:46 VanessaE but you can change an entity's texture
21:46 VanessaE (that's how signs work)
21:46 VanessaE dumdidum: not sure of the reasoning behind that
21:47 dumdidum VanessaE: but thank you for the pipe mod. in addition to technic mod it's possible to build some nice complex systems ;)
21:47 VanessaE indeed so :)
21:49 jordan4ibanez People are going to piss their pants when they see this forge
21:59 blaise dumdidum: I was pretty upset about it not working on the back side as well
21:59 blaise spent 200+ man hours putting it up and tearing it down before  someone informed me that it won't work that way..
22:00 blaise but I was using 34 centrifuges
22:00 blaise a furnace, a compressor, and a grinder
22:00 VanessaE haha
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22:01 blaise luckaly I hadn't set up 10 arrays like I had planned..
22:02 dumdidum blaise: good that i start a zero ^^ but my old game with my sorting/cooking/whatever all in one system would be hard to upgrade :D
22:03 blaise I'm hoping we can get an itinerary of what's going to change with the technic mod here soon before they just slap it on us and those of us with automated mod updating and maintnence will have all kinds of failing equipment and nuclear reactor melt downs everywhere
22:03 blaise end up with mad max style servers
22:04 blaise hey, that's a good idea
22:04 blaise with the cars mod... and a thunderdome..
22:04 blaise and tina turner skins
22:08 dumdidum ok, glass production is automated :)
22:15 blaise weird
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22:17 dumdidum ?
22:21 blaise after I added that builtin_item mod, I can dig a block with a torch on it and it doesn't fall down
22:21 blaise it just stays there
22:21 blaise weird, no?
22:21 VanessaE haha
22:22 dumdidum all other items stay also in the air ;)
22:22 blaise gonna go throw some items into moving water to see how they flow down stream
22:22 blaise then I'm going to throw items into lava for the sizzle
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22:28 blaise they totally didn't float down stream
22:28 blaise they just disapeared
22:28 blaise completely vannished
22:29 blaise now for the lava test
22:30 blaise yay, sizzle
22:30 blaise :D
22:31 blaise floaty items are defunct though
22:31 VanessaE don't use builtin_item
22:31 VanessaE I think item_tweaks has those features doesn't it?
22:31 * VanessaE pokes RealBadAngel
22:32 jordan4ibanez what is minetest's block limit?
22:32 VanessaE jordan4ibanez: 32766 items/nodes
22:32 VanessaE (can be raised in the engine with a one-line tweak if it ever turns out to be necessary)
22:33 blaise VanessaE: seriously?
22:33 VanessaE yep
22:33 blaise VanessaE: so I'm using crapware?
22:33 VanessaE I think so
22:33 blaise D:
22:33 VanessaE I am not 100% sure
22:33 VanessaE check it and see
22:34 NakedFury why isnt that at the highest value possible by the engine?
22:34 VanessaE NakedFury: to leave room for undefined nodes.
22:34 jordan4ibanez so I'm using 18 blocks for the forge, so if I decide to use blocks and no entities to visualize the boiling material with 10 states on the y axis, and then 5 forges for each default material, that's 450 blocks
22:34 jordan4ibanez that's a big mod from a small code my god
22:35 VanessaE jordan4ibanez: why aren't you just using animated textures for the boiling?
22:36 jordan4ibanez It's not for boiling, I have to use a different color for each material, so I'm probably just going to use 1 set of furnace blocks with a boiling liquid entity that has a coliision box
22:36 VanessaE that's a better idea.
22:36 jordan4ibanez But then again that might be glitchy eventually, so I'm like bleh
22:38 jordan4ibanez and if any mods like to move around entities around them, it'd shock the player to see the block of molten material just flying away, so I'm going to have to make the material check with the center block
22:38 jordan4ibanez bleh
22:38 blaise jordan4ibanez: why did you have me install crapware?
22:38 jordan4ibanez Install what?
22:38 blaise or wait, maybe it wasn't you
22:38 * blaise scrolls
22:39 VanessaE jordan4ibanez: no mods I know of indiscriminately move entities around
22:39 VanessaE at least not entities that those mods didn't themselves create.
22:39 blaise it was tenplus
22:39 blaise or whoever that character was
22:40 blaise TenPlus1
22:41 blaise so, item_tweaks is where it's at?
22:42 VanessaE I said I wasn't 100% sure
22:42 blaise ah
22:42 blaise well, the whole point of me installing this was so it would progressively clear items
22:43 blaise instead of having to /clearobjects manually
22:43 VanessaE the engine already does that.
22:43 blaise the item sizzle and floatyness was just a perk
22:43 blaise VanessaE: I was told there was no default item clear timeout
22:43 blaise I thought it was like ten minutes
22:44 blaise and Megaf said my server lag problem was due to billions of items tossed around everywhere
22:44 VanessaE megaf is wrong
22:45 VanessaE there IS an auto-timeout of about 10 or 15 minutes
22:45 blaise great, so that was a non-solution to lag
22:45 VanessaE however there's also a bug that causes invisible items to multiply out of control
22:45 blaise that's spanktastic
22:45 VanessaE happened to me, to him, and to others
22:45 VanessaE no one's sure of the cause yet
22:45 blaise o.O
22:46 blaise ghost items?
22:48 VanessaE something like that
22:48 VanessaE some kind of engine bug
22:49 dumdidum light without source -> another bug
22:49 blaise yeah, that's a weird one
22:50 VanessaE and if the timeout isn't working, that is ALSO a bug
22:50 VanessaE either some mod is causing dropped items etc to disable their timers, or the engine is not timing them out
22:53 dumdidum i use world anchors to hold my areas loaded. first, my devices don't stop running, second, hundreds of stones dont' get deleted while still in tube when unloaded.
22:56 blaise VanessaE: the only mod with the word tweak that I could find was this.. https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5694
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22:56 blaise yeah, the world anchors are very alpha-ish
22:56 iio7 In the download section for windows, what is the difference between the one with and without (WinGW)?
22:56 blaise they're brand-spanking-new I think
22:57 iio7 Or in fewer words, what's WinGW? :)
22:58 blaise I had popouts that were within the same block area as the anchor that were disapeering though, so idk
23:00 dumdidum iio7: MinGW is a compiler suit. based on the filenames i would say with MinGW it's compiled with MinGW, without it's compiled with Microsoft Visual C++.
23:00 blaise oh wait, I found another https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7637
23:00 blaise still nothing to do with items
23:01 dumdidum iio7: but i can't say which would be better ...
23:02 iio7 Ok, thanks!
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23:21 VanessaE blaise: https://github.com/minetest-technic/item_tweaks
23:21 VanessaE that's the mod I meant
23:22 * blaise bursts into flames
23:22 dumdidum VanessaE: what's the mod for?
23:23 Megaf Hi all
23:23 VanessaE dumdidum: it tweaks items ;)
23:23 Megaf hey blaise
23:23 Megaf [23:45:12] <VanessaE> there IS an auto-timeout of about 10 or 15 minutes
23:23 VanessaE dumdidum: it handles things like magnetic item pickup, drop on dig, etc.
23:23 Megaf when since?
23:23 Megaf [23:44:04] <blaise> and Megaf said my server lag problem was due to billions of items tossed around everywhere
23:23 VanessaE Megaf: since a couple of months now
23:23 Megaf Did I?
23:24 VanessaE Megaf: if they're not being expired, that is an engine bug that needs fixed, or there's some mod in place that's preventing them from expiring
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23:24 VanessaE the default time to live is 10 or 15 minutes, I forget exactly.
23:24 dumdidum VanessaE: also, something like this: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=2656
23:24 VanessaE this can be controlled per-item
23:25 VanessaE dumdidum: that mod is old and does not work properly anymore
23:25 Megaf blaise: well, you have technic and players are using them to make huge holes
23:25 Megaf you also have pipeworks, streets and mesecons
23:25 Megaf all that can cause some lag
23:26 dumdidum VanessaE: here it works but maybe it's because i just use the half mod ;)
23:28 Megaf good night all
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23:45 blaise no one is even using the streets mod.. :G
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23:48 VanessaE I do.
23:48 VanessaE Dreambuilder has it.

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