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00:00 RealBadAngel you dont have to
00:01 RealBadAngel it will be filled in
00:01 RealBadAngel only argument you are passing is above = true/false
00:01 RealBadAngel and fuction will return pos or nil
00:02 RealBadAngel pointed_thing is not an argument
00:02 jordan4ibanez This is what I'm trying to achieve.
00:02 jordan4ibanez https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=​DJ4r5SYOJM4&feature=youtu.be
00:04 jordan4ibanez But the method I'm using is inefficient and buggy
00:05 RealBadAngel you mean showing on hud what are you pointing at?
00:05 jordan4ibanez Yes
00:06 RealBadAngel local pos = minetest.get_pointed_thing_position(pointed_thing, above)
00:06 RealBadAngel local node=minetest.env:get_node(pos)
00:07 RealBadAngel just place it in your dstep loop
00:08 RealBadAngel .env is not needed
00:08 RealBadAngel it was copied over from old code
00:08 jordan4ibanez Dude, I haven't coded in a long time, where is the dstep loop?
00:09 jordan4ibanez for minetest*
00:09 RealBadAngel make one
00:11 RealBadAngel https://github.com/minetest-technic/unifie​d_inventory/blob/master/item_names.lua#L36
00:12 RealBadAngel ^^example
00:13 RealBadAngel that function displays on HUD name of selected (wielded) item, pretty similar to your task
00:13 RealBadAngel just instead of checkin inventories of connected players, get their pointed things
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00:24 jordan4ibanez RealBadAngel: Even when I just do this, it gives an error for pointed thing http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=txGeQY97
00:35 jordan4ibanez The thing is, I don't know if pointed thing is constantly sent to server like the player's position is
00:35 jordan4ibanez so I could be looking for something that's not even in the c++
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01:18 VanessaE http://games.slashdot.org/story/14/09/09/2334235/​report-microsoft-to-buy-minecraft-studio-for-2bn
01:18 VanessaE ^^^^^^ can we handle the overflow? :)
01:18 * VanessaE expects refugees soon... :P
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01:42 Wings Hi.
01:43 Wings Is anyone there?
01:43 Wings **sigh*
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01:43 Wings T_T
01:43 Wings BYe
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02:13 blaise wow, he waited a hole minute
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02:58 blaise is there a specific version of opengl minetest uses?
03:00 VanessaE whatever your system has/whatever it was built with.
03:00 VanessaE varies from machine to machine
03:00 jordan4ibanez latest one that your computer can use
03:00 VanessaE RBA has like 2.x on his box
03:00 VanessaE mine has 4.x
03:00 blaise a friend of mine is asking all kinds of questions about minetest due to the news of MS aquiring MC
03:00 blaise lmao
03:01 blaise can minetest support opengl 4.5 yet?
03:01 VanessaE I don't see why not.
03:01 VanessaE try it and see?
03:01 VanessaE most of what it does as far as OpenGL is up to irrlicht
03:01 VanessaE so it's whatever irrlicht supports
03:03 blaise he's worried about irrlicht not being developed anymore
03:03 blaise :\
03:04 VanessaE naw
03:04 VanessaE irrlicht is active.
03:10 blaise he's very sceptical, says he doesn't see big community yet
03:10 blaise :G
03:11 blaise makes me wanna make flyers and dump them on all the cars in the DC metro
03:12 blaise and, efnet split
03:12 blaise lmao
03:12 VanessaE heh
03:12 VanessaE yeah right
03:12 VanessaE that'll go over well
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03:13 blaise VanessaE: putting flyers on the public transit system of the nations capital?
03:13 VanessaE yeah, you'll get cited for littering or something :)
03:13 blaise they
03:13 VanessaE it's DC, remember?
03:14 blaise would have to catch me fist..
03:14 blaise s/fist/first/
03:14 VanessaE this is the same town where people can't figure out the idea that money != speech (it only pays for the medium through which it occurs)
03:15 blaise most towns are like that
03:15 blaise hell, I know a few minetest servers that are like that.
03:15 VanessaE heh
03:33 blaise I want an AMD R9 295X2
03:33 blaise :o
03:34 * blaise drools all over himself
03:34 VanessaE I have an R9 280X.  it's nice.
03:34 blaise I'm stuck in decade old computer hardware land
03:34 VanessaE sowwy :)
03:34 * blaise sobs profusely
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04:35 asie http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/09/09/us-​mojang-microsoft-deals-idUSKBN0H42HY20140909
04:35 asie i could have listened to you ;-;
04:41 VanessaE soon, the flood of minecraft refugees
04:41 VanessaE :)
04:41 asie VanessaE: We should make an indiegogo fund to finish the missing Minetest stuff
04:42 asie that is, the client-side Lua API
04:42 asie and fund a proper pixel artist
04:42 asie I'd pay
04:42 asie Especially if we make it now when everyone fears for the worst... this could be successful
04:42 VanessaE *nod*
04:42 VanessaE these things are needed
04:42 VanessaE good luck getting people to actually DO the work though
04:42 asie That's where money comes in
04:42 VanessaE maybe mojang employees will come to the good side? ;)
04:42 asie and indiegogo
04:43 asie VanessaE: nope
04:43 asie I'm sure we have some talented devs on here
04:43 VanessaE indeed we have
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04:44 VanessaE but our current devs would tell you they are either overworked or just lack the time
04:44 VanessaE and I expect money will not serve as effective motivation
04:47 VanessaE (you can't create time where none exists, and money will not reduce a person's workload to make room for a project)
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04:54 asie VanessaE: yes, but some things don't need creativity
04:54 asie like optimizing the code in some places
04:54 asie and about creativity... with better textures and optimized code
04:54 VanessaE true
04:55 asie we will have a much larger playerbase
04:55 asie most people i met were only put off by the slowness of some areas and by the ugly textures
04:55 asie literally
04:55 VanessaE but that still needs time and effort, which the current devs will tell you they cannot expend.
04:55 asie of course
04:55 asie but we cannot waste time if the thing happens
04:55 asie there are many people trying to be the next Minecraft
04:55 asie many corporates, too
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05:02 azaki http://www.osnews.com/comments/27937
05:02 azaki discuss.
05:03 VanessaE azaki: see previous logs
05:03 VanessaE we were already discussing this.
05:03 azaki are the logs online? :p
05:03 VanessaE yep :P
05:03 VanessaE however there's little to discuss right now.
05:04 VanessaE http://irc.minetest.ru/min​etest/2014-09-10#i_3904623
05:04 azaki if this deal goes through, i predict a lot of new users and contributors to minetest
05:04 VanessaE as do I
05:04 VanessaE because we all know Microsoft's usual strategy with their acquisitions
05:04 VanessaE you know what's REALLY sad though?
05:05 azaki well, i can think of several things.
05:05 VanessaE if there's ONE thing I have always said Microsoft was good at - and I mean genuinely good - it was making video games.  They always used to be unparalleled at that.
05:05 VanessaE wtf happened?
05:05 VanessaE (and remember, I don't like MS at all)
05:06 azaki It's my first visit here, so I can't remember much...
05:06 azaki :p
05:06 VanessaE why do they need to buy up game companies to try to fix their game business?
05:06 azaki I never played Microsoft's games as far as I can recall.
05:06 VanessaE azaki: ah ok, no worries.  Welcome to the channel then :)
05:06 azaki I'm so charismatic that I'm already part of the group! :)
05:07 VanessaE folks who know me here know I ... eh ... rather dislike MS with a passion :)
05:07 azaki Well, I'm a bit of a freetard, so I dislike both Microsoft and Apple.
05:08 azaki Everyone thinks RMS is crazy, but the world keeps proving him right.
05:10 azaki As for why Microsoft feels the need to buy game franchises, I guess because quality isn't enough, they want quantity. This is a company that wants vendor lock-in.
05:10 azaki A handful of games isn't enough to keep people locked into Windows or Xbox. They need a lot.
05:10 VanessaE the world keeps proving RMS right, but he IS crazy ;)
05:11 VanessaE good point, I tend to forget the whole vendor lock-in thing
05:11 VanessaE been using Linux for too many years. :)
05:12 azaki RMS' problem seems to be that he's just terrible at marketing and PR. If you've ever seen Eben Moglen's talks, he basically says the same things as RMS, but he says it so eloquently, that you're just amazed. Even is a hell of a wordsmith.
05:12 azaki Eben**
05:14 azaki wow, you werent kidding. i just checked the logs. you were talking about it moments before i came in XD
05:14 VanessaE nice
05:14 VanessaE yep heh
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05:14 azaki If you guys want to be the next minecraft, you might need a more catchy name. "Minetest" is good for a game engine
05:14 VanessaE yeah, I don't get to look a lot of talks.
05:15 azaki but some people might be confused if it's the name of a product
05:15 VanessaE yeah, we've been down this road before too:
05:15 VanessaE https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5800
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05:18 azaki how about "Mineshaft"
05:18 azaki :p
05:18 VanessaE hah
05:19 VanessaE that's what players will be calling Minecraft after Microsoft has their way with it ;)
05:19 azaki ;o
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05:20 azaki one thing that notch probably doesn't understand here
05:20 azaki is that if microsoft is offering 2 billion dollars for this
05:20 azaki then it's clear that they have some kind of evil plans or something. :p
05:21 VanessaE heh
05:21 azaki they might try to just hijack the whole community and create a social network out of it or something
05:21 azaki or maybe they're planning to use it as a lobby system for the xbox
05:21 azaki or, who knows
05:22 azaki "Megaminer"
05:22 azaki c:
05:23 VanessaE oh boy.
05:24 VanessaE well we'll have to see what they do
05:25 azaki so what distros are people on?
05:25 azaki i'm on arch.
05:25 VanessaE I use Xubuntu on my desktop and Debian on my servers
05:25 azaki i'm a gentoo refugee. used it for years, got sick of compiling everything.
05:27 azaki so, when's minetest getting wayland support? ;D
05:27 VanessaE HAH!
05:27 VanessaE when someone codes it along with Xmir ;)
05:27 VanessaE or whatever that other one was
05:27 VanessaE (been a while since I heard about either one)
05:28 azaki I'm hoping canonical will change it's mind when they realize that they've bitten off more than they can chew.
05:28 azaki they've basically decided to maintain their own GTK, Qt, SDL, and driver forks.
05:28 VanessaE I dunno, they're kinda stubborn about things.
05:28 azaki because upstream isn't going to be accepting their patches.
05:29 azaki well, they decided to adopt systemd
05:29 azaki :)
05:29 VanessaE I'm glad I use Xubuntu then, it's still real Xorg and so forth under the hood, as far as I know anyway
05:29 azaki has anyone ever linked you to daniel stone's wayland talk?
05:29 azaki it's really funny XD
05:29 azaki https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIctzAQOe44
05:29 VanessaE I may watch that later
05:29 VanessaE but for now I think I better watch something else:
05:30 VanessaE my dreams :)
05:30 azaki night.
05:30 azaki i often re-watch that talk occasionally, because it's funny as heck. lol
05:30 VanessaE I will return tomorrow.  good night :)
05:31 VanessaE oh, meanwhile:
05:31 VanessaE if you wanna talk core dev stuff, #minetest-dev when it's active.
05:31 VanessaE but expect resistance to anything too radical :)
05:31 azaki is minetest beginner-friendly? for someone who doesn't yet code? :p
05:32 VanessaE modding-wise, yes
05:32 VanessaE Lua is easy to learn
05:32 VanessaE and the API isn't hard to use either, though the API doc is hard to read at times.
05:32 azaki i've done various tutorials in the past, for C, and other stuff. i've just never like.. stuck with it.
05:32 azaki i ADD too much.
05:32 VanessaE https://github.com/minetest/mine​test/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt
05:32 azaki i have trouble focusing. but i've always wanted to get into it.
05:32 azaki ideally i wish i had a mentor. ;o
05:33 azaki who would be tolerant of my questions.
05:33 VanessaE read some Lua tutorials, skim through that ^^^^^ and look at time Minetest mods to get an idea of how the code goes together
05:33 VanessaE it's pretty easy
05:33 VanessaE look at some*
05:33 VanessaE we're all quite tolerant of questions on this channel
05:34 VanessaE on -dev, you have to limit your conversation to the C++ engine core for the most part
05:34 VanessaE but here it's general discussion including modding
05:34 azaki is the engine hard to deal with in general, or is it just the fact that it's in C++ that makes it hard.
05:35 VanessaE using the engine API from a mod is easy.  making changes to the C++ code i.e. to be included in future versions of the engine is harder.
05:35 VanessaE you don't need to touch C++ at all to write a mod
05:36 azaki i've always wanted to learn a lower level language.
05:36 VanessaE all you need is that lua_api.txt I pointed to, knowledge of the Lua language, and some basic concept of how a mod works
05:36 azaki ok
05:36 VanessaE anywho, I gotta go before I fall asleep :)
05:37 VanessaE just ask anything you need to, if someone is around you should get a good answer
05:37 VanessaE (and a few smartass ones ;) )
05:37 VanessaE good night
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06:43 jordan4ibanez Can anyone see any way to simplify this? ((math.floor(((timeofday) % 24000)*2400)-(hour*100))/50)*30
06:43 jordan4ibanez And hour math.floor(((timeofday) % 24000)*24)
06:43 jordan4ibanez Conversion from 24000 to 24 hour
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06:45 jordan4ibanez Well actually this is the complete minute equation  math.floor(((math.floor(((timeofday) % 24000)*2400)-(hour*100))/50)*30)
06:46 jordan4ibanez With this you can have real time on 24 hour servers
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06:47 blaise I have real time on my 24 hour server
06:48 blaise I just set 365 day years and a 1 to 1 hour ratio
06:48 blaise in minetest.conf
06:48 blaise then I set the time..
06:49 blaise the only confusing part is minutes is specified  in 100ths of an hour
06:49 jordan4ibanez Exactly, that's the conversion from 100ths to 60ths
06:49 blaise so if you want to set it to 4:30AM the server command would be /time 04500
06:50 blaise or wait
06:50 blaise maybe it's 00450
06:50 blaise nono, it's 04500
06:50 blaise XD
06:50 blaise jordan4ibanez: so are you putting it into a mod?
06:51 jordan4ibanez Yes
06:51 blaise to set the server time every so often?
06:51 jordan4ibanez no it's the advanced gui mod I'm making
06:51 blaise the machine that runs my server also hosts an ntp daemon.. it's in sync with stratum 2
06:52 blaise it's relatively close to the accuracy of an atomic clock, since it's synced against one.. :D
06:53 blaise I feel like there should me a minetest.conf option to have the game time be consistent with the machine time..
06:55 blaise !server midnight
06:55 MinetestBot blaise: MidnightSystems | midnightsystems.net | Clients: 1/15, 1/2 | Version: 0.4.10 / minetest | Ping: 756ms
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06:57 jordan4ibanez lol constantly do conversions of os.time with a 2400 hour to 24000 minute conversion
06:57 blaise time_speed = 1
06:57 blaise year_days = 365
06:58 blaise no way, that's like biting your face off to spite your nose
06:59 jordan4ibanez Just have it check the os.time at 12000 and 24000 and set it to os.time
06:59 jordan4ibanez that way the small lags will be adjusted every halfday
07:00 blaise why would there be lag?
07:00 blaise time keeping shouldn't be affected by game latency
07:00 jordan4ibanez I don't know
07:00 jordan4ibanez what if your server goes down and the cron job restarts it, then it's off by a few minutes
07:00 blaise the only time I ever have to set the time on the minetest server is if I have to restart minetestd
07:01 blaise I actually don't have a cron handeling that atm
07:01 blaise I need to do something about that though
07:04 blaise !up midnightsystems.net
07:04 MinetestBot midnightsystems.net:30000 is up (1089ms)
07:04 blaise :0
07:05 blaise speaking of latency
07:05 blaise witfh!
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07:10 sfan5 jordan4ibanez: tried setting the 'time_speed' setting?
07:10 jordan4ibanez no no, this is for the gui mod, 12 hour conversion
07:10 sfan5 ah, kk
07:11 sfan5 why do you want it simplified?
07:11 sfan5 just explain it with comments and it'll be ok ;)
07:12 jordan4ibanez uhhh
07:13 jordan4ibanez Because I'm fancy
07:13 jordan4ibanez there
07:20 jordan4ibanez sfan5: try! https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=9&t=10095
07:20 blaise hrmmmmm
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07:22 jordan4ibanez Can I try it on your server blaise?
07:22 blaise I need to set up a cron job that will run "/etc/init.d/minetest-server status" and if it says crashed to issue "/etc/init.d/minetest-server restart"
07:22 jordan4ibanez I want to see how the lag affects it
07:22 blaise jordan4ibanez: lmao
07:22 jordan4ibanez from not being local
07:22 blaise yeah, sure
07:22 jordan4ibanez I didn't mean it like that oh god why
07:23 jordan4ibanez Which one is yours?
07:25 jordan4ibanez And blaise make sure you download it now, before I updated it, it calculated the time FOR EACH PLAYER
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07:26 blaise wow dude
07:26 blaise each player?
07:26 blaise what kinda honky bullarnky is that?
07:27 jordan4ibanez Is it uuuuuuuuup
07:27 blaise I don't know where "it" is.. my server is
07:27 blaise !server Midnight
07:27 MinetestBot blaise: MidnightSystems | midnightsystems.net | Clients: 0/15, 0/2 | Version: 0.4.10 / minetest | Ping: 120ms
07:27 * blaise walks away to smoke
07:37 blaise lol
07:37 blaise still never told me where this mod was located
07:40 blaise he joined my server and ran into an angry mob of vombies, nearly died.. and said 02:29 < minetest> <jordan4ibanez> it's a miracle!!
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08:19 JamesTait Good morning all; happy Swap Ideas Day! :-D
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08:22 rubenwardy Hi all!
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08:51 rubenwardy Opinions: http://rubenwardy.kd.io:8000/mmdb/mod/test/
09:04 rubenwardy Why are these files committed when they are not changes?
09:05 rubenwardy https://bitbucket.org/rubenwardy/mmdb/commi​ts/d1c35fc75fd33ee117be24f582646d8287a85e28
09:07 rubenwardy !msg iqualfragile HG messed up. https://bitbucket.org/rubenwardy/mmdb/commi​ts/d1c35fc75fd33ee117be24f582646d8287a85e28
09:07 rubenwardy !tell iqualfragile HG messed up. https://bitbucket.org/rubenwardy/mmdb/commi​ts/d1c35fc75fd33ee117be24f582646d8287a85e28
09:07 MinetestBot rubenwardy: I'll pass that on when iqualfragile is around
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09:14 rubenwardy !tell iqualfragile Fixed :P https://bitbucket.org/rubenwardy/mmdb/commi​ts/f9f8d81d68e8bdc48702ecc9af679e096708cff2
09:14 MinetestBot rubenwardy: I'll pass that on when iqualfragile is around
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09:25 rubenwardy !tell iqualfragile See pull request :/
09:25 MinetestBot rubenwardy: I'll pass that on when iqualfragile is around
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09:34 Megaf Hi eveyone
09:34 Megaf !seen BlockMan
09:34 MinetestBot Megaf: Sorry, I haven't seen blockman around.
09:34 Megaf !seeb BlockMen
09:34 Megaf !seen BlockMen
09:34 MinetestBot Megaf: blockmen was last seen at 2014-09-04 03:28:40 UTC on #minetest
09:35 rubenwardy Opinions: http://rubenwardy.kd.io:8000/mmdb/mod/test/
09:35 rubenwardy Hi Megaf
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09:35 raffahacks Hi Megaf
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10:20 Jordach !tell rubenwardy this is the life https://cdn.mediacru.sh/KLWXHtw58ZzJ.jpg
10:21 Jordach MinetestBot!
10:21 MinetestBot Jordach!
10:21 MinetestBot Jordach: yeah, sure, whatever
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10:51 kaeza mornings
10:53 jp_ hello
10:54 Megaf Hi kaeza, jp_
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11:22 Kekun hi, I am computer science student and a developper, I'm new to Minetest and I may want to help to its development with two colleagues of mine
11:24 Kekun (we are not sure if we want to continue using Minecraft for a long time, some of use are FLOSS enthousiasts)
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11:28 sfan5 Jordach: >starbucks
11:28 sfan5 Kekun: take a look at http://dev.minetest.net/How_to_start_contributing
11:29 Kekun sfan5: thanks, I'll  take a look at it
11:30 sfan5 Kekun: and visit #minetest-dev too, it's the development channel
11:31 Kekun sfan5: I first was there and was then adviced to move here =p
11:31 sfan5 i see
11:31 sfan5 <Kekun> as far as I understand, minetest is a game engine written in C++, and games can be built around it using its Lua API?
11:31 sfan5 yes
11:32 Kekun ok, thanks
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11:46 asie Guys
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12:11 Cev Eyy, is there a list of ways this game is better than mc? Is it just optimisation and open source?
12:13 ThatGraemeGuy I can't see that there would be such a list if that isn't really the point of the project
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12:17 sfan5 Cev: I'm not aware of any list like this, but you might find one somewhere
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12:50 hisforever Hi I have 10 Mese Crystles together Can I split the pile if so how?
12:54 ThatGraemeGuy right-click a stack of items to take half the stack
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13:02 hisforever thanks That grameGuy
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14:08 MinetestBot rubenwardy: 09-10 15:20 UTC <Jordach> this is the life https://cdn.mediacru.sh/KLWXHtw58ZzJ.jpg
14:08 sfan5 Jordach: https://cdn.mediacru.sh/zOYx8Fbr4DmE.png
14:09 Jordach 57 convo chain over ShadowNinja's mod security pull
14:09 sfan5 :D
14:09 Jordach jesus fucking christ
14:09 Jordach much bullshit, not deserved pull
14:09 sfan5 Jordach: http://the-toast.net/2014/09/09/uns​atisfied-women-western-art-history/
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15:02 * PenguinDad just noticed that Jordach follows the most scary github user :D
15:20 sfan5 kaeza: o/
15:20 kaeza \o
15:21 sfan5 I'll count that as "yes, it's me"
15:21 kaeza maybe
15:22 sfan5 kk
15:22 SmugLeaf kkk
15:22 sfan5 PenguinDad: :D
15:23 * PenguinDad meows at SmugLeaf
15:23 * Jordach sits here watching Mojang implode while playing https://cdn.mediacru.sh/HOILR_H8nuAy.png
15:23 * sfan5 sits here while needing to do homework
15:24 SmugLeaf so now that minecraft has gone to microsoft
15:24 SmugLeaf and bukket is dead
15:24 sfan5 bukkit*
15:24 PenguinDad Buck it!
15:24 SmugLeaf how quick can we get out a game/ that copies minecraft
15:24 SmugLeaf and lure over users
15:24 sfan5 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
15:29 VanessaE SmugLeaf: as quickly as someone who really WANTS it can code it
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15:32 kaeza so far, everything from Minecraft has been more or less done, except mobs
15:33 SmugLeaf mobs are kinda important
15:33 SmugLeaf I haven't run minetest for like a year
15:33 SmugLeaf but I'm a little amazed no one felt like making AI yet
15:34 kaeza MOBF is currently the most "advanced" AI there is for Minetest
15:34 kaeza buuuut! have fun lagging
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15:35 john_minetest Hello
15:35 kaeza hai
15:36 Kekun SmugLeaf: "how quick can we get out a game/ that copies minecraft and lure over users" that's basically why I came here today
15:38 Kekun I just tried a full minetest based game (Eden), loading the game took ages ! even on my top notch PC
15:38 VanessaE kaeza: mobf doesn't lag anymore
15:39 Kekun so maybe, just maybe, not having to rely on Lua for basically the whole game could help if we want something advanced?
15:39 VanessaE Kekun: the problem isn't Lua, the problem is using the *server* for every damn thing
15:39 Kekun (I know nothing about how Minetest work yet)
15:39 VanessaE some stuff needs realtime on-the-client processing, which is where Minetest's modding API falls down
15:40 SmugLeaf rip
15:40 Kekun VanessaE: what could be moved to client?
15:40 kaeza movement prediction, for example
15:41 VanessaE movement, period :P
15:41 sfan5 Kekun: local or remote server?
15:41 kaeza sending a "path" the entity should follow instead of tons of "look that way and run at this speed"
15:41 Kekun sfan5: local
15:41 sfan5 or wait
15:42 sfan5 that probably doesn't matter much
15:42 PenguinDad Kekun: have you enabled preload item visuals?
15:42 sfan5 Kekun: by default media files are sent using the minetest protocol which is.. let's call it slow
15:42 sfan5 and what PenguinDad said
15:43 Kekun PenguinDad: I have no idea, I suppose I can answer "no"
15:43 SmugLeaf anyway, now would be a good time for concentrated effort on "copying minecraft vanilla"
15:43 SmugLeaf at like
15:43 Kekun PenguinDad: it was enabled
15:43 VanessaE SmugLeaf: so let someone copy it.
15:43 SmugLeaf 75% speed of naked minetest
15:43 * VanessaE has other things on her mind
15:45 Kekun I am not against helping copying minecraft, I kind of came here for that
15:45 Kekun but I'm new to minetest and will have tons of college work, but hey, who cares about that
15:50 SmugLeaf college won't make you happy
15:50 SmugLeaf games make you happy
15:50 sfan5 :D
15:50 Kekun exactly
15:51 Kekun so basically, Minetest needs a better engine and content taken directly from Minecraft when there is no legal problems (textures, sounds, model must be redone)?
15:52 VanessaE nope
15:52 VanessaE it just needs some minor work on the engine
15:52 Jordach https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PC_Master_Race mmmmmmmmmmmm
15:52 PenguinDad Kekun: you always need a better engine :P
15:52 VanessaE no content from minecraft as ALL of that would be illegal
15:52 Jordach saved from AFD
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15:54 Kekun PenguinDad: of course, but there is a big difference between a "I guess it's okay" engine and a "good enough" one, so far I kind of feel Minetest is more like the first one
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15:56 MinetestBot 4Hel7lo,8 an3yone h6ere?
15:57 Kekun hi Ynigvi
15:58 Ynigvi Hi
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16:03 Calinou * inactif  136:28:05, ouverture de session : Fri Sep  5 01:34:46 → best idle time I've ever seen
16:03 Calinou on IRC
16:04 Kekun Calinou: classe
16:05 Calinou un français :D
16:06 Calinou même FAI que moi, en fait
16:07 jp_ cool, un français :)
16:07 jp_ et dev en plus
16:08 Kekun ouaip, Ynigvi aussi (maybe we should continue in english?)
16:08 Ynigvi or in french channel ?
16:08 Kekun oh yep, I forgot it
16:09 jp_ in english
16:10 john_minetest Isn't "FAI" the "Federation d'Aviation International" or something like that?
16:10 Kekun int's internet access provider
16:10 john_minetest Fédération Aéronautique Internationale
16:10 john_minetest Heh, I'm good.
16:10 jp_ Fournisseur d'Accès à Internet
16:11 jp_ Kekun : french official channel --> #minetest-fr
16:12 Kekun jp_: I was there but thanks still =)
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16:35 zat :D!!!! http://uppix.com/f-IMG_20140​908_00054107daa00178260.jpg
16:36 RumiaGloop zat: some men just wanna watch the world burn
16:36 john_minetest zat: Hope you know the 10-fingers-system ;)
16:36 zat wat²
16:36 john_minetest At our school, people often took out all the keys and rearranged them.
16:36 zat it got high http://uppix.com/f-IMG_20140​908_00054107e1900178263.jpg
16:37 Jordach this won't affect me: i touch type on all keyboards
16:38 zat I rearranged them for I wanted a Dvorak keyboard.
16:38 PenguinDad zat: keyboard attacking you? :p
16:38 zat lol
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16:41 zat I have become a little clumsy in typing now though
16:41 Kekun is there a design reason that we can only have a 60000 squared meter surface but we can dig 30km deep? it feels weird to me
16:42 sfan5 the world is from -30 000 to 30 000
16:42 sfan5 water surface is at y=0
16:43 Kekun so there is 60000x60000 of surface, 30000 of sky and 30000 of ground
16:43 john_minetest The world is 60x60x60 km big.
16:43 zat cant it be more?
16:43 sfan5 yes
16:44 sfan5 do we need more?
16:44 sfan5 no
16:44 john_minetest There was something about the player moving in the world instead of the world moving around the player.
16:44 zat yes I need more
16:44 Kekun well it could have more surface and less altitude I suppose
16:44 john_minetest Yeah.
16:44 john_minetest And "infinity" sound much cooler than "60 km"
16:45 Kekun I need more surface
16:45 sfan5 for what?
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16:45 zat Kekun: want to make the chinese wall?
16:45 Kekun for multiplayer maps
16:46 sfan5 multiplayer maps?
16:46 Kekun zat: I play on a Minccraft server where we reached -10000 and 10000 in very few months, and we want to expand
16:47 john_minetest We got 30,000 and -30,000
16:47 zat Kekun: reached it building?
16:47 Kekun zat: we don't want constructions to be too close, especially when we want to build countries
16:48 Kekun so we want to build very far away from each other
16:48 Calinou the usual “we need more land” talk :x
16:48 zat Sounds like too much expectative
16:48 Calinou we use 16-bit coordinates
16:48 john_minetest Why not 128 bit?
16:48 john_minetest :D
16:49 sfan5 !c 1.0-(20000/60000)*100
16:49 MinetestBot -32.33333333333333
16:49 john_minetest Then we could have one meter for every atom in the universe.
16:49 sfan5 !c (1.0-(20000/60000))*100
16:49 MinetestBot 66.66666666666667
16:49 Calinou there was a patch for 262144 (or so) world size, but it was glitchy as hell
16:49 Calinou and it's 4 months old or so now
16:49 sfan5 Kekun: you would still have 66% of the surface left
16:49 PenguinDad john_minetest: why not 512 bit?
16:50 john_minetest Because after 512 bit you are too drunk.
16:50 john_minetest ;)
16:50 PenguinDad lol
16:50 Kekun sfan5: which mean we used 33% in 3 months, and we want it to last for years if possible
16:50 john_minetest But waiiit.
16:51 john_minetest Is it really 33% of the area?
16:51 Kekun non, 1/9th
16:51 Kekun *no
16:51 Calinou <john_minetest> There was something about the player moving in the world instead of the world moving around the player.
16:51 john_minetest Exactly
16:51 john_minetest 1/9th of the area.
16:51 Calinou this was a potential fix for z-fighting, not for world size
16:51 Calinou we have a fix for z-fighting already since May or so
16:52 john_minetest So you got 8/9 of the area left.
16:52 john_minetest 8/9 should be enought for everybody.
16:53 john_minetest So you got 8x3=24 months that the world should be enough for.
16:53 Kekun john_minetest: except we can't add proper country-like distances with that
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16:54 john_minetest Minetest doesn't have cars or horses. So even small distances are country-like.
16:54 zat lol I was about to say the same
16:55 Kekun I present you a use case and you answer with condescension… I have to say I'm quite disappointed =/
16:56 sfan5 we're just trying to say the world is already big enough
16:56 john_minetest Kekun: Changing the size and potentially destroying all the old savegames just for one case would be not sustainable.
16:57 Kekun john_minetest: you could have two type of maps : square and wide
16:57 Kekun *squared and large
16:57 john_minetest Well, it is work to implement all this.
16:57 sfan5 how would that work on the client side?
16:58 JTE_ mmm.
16:58 ThatGraemeGuy Pretty sure this discussion has happened a zillion times. Safe to say it isn't changing.
16:58 Krock mm. hi
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16:59 sfan5 Kekun: see discussion in #minetest-dev
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17:20 jordan4ibanez celeron55: that robot is CRAZY
17:21 jordan4ibanez How did you make it?
17:22 Krock ... robot?
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17:22 jordan4ibanez https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ct8vy2sZBYQ His battle bot
17:22 john_minetest Krock: celeron55 builds robots for robot battles.
17:22 sfan5 http://c55.me/blog/?p=1654 << top blog post
17:23 * Krock clicks 4 times
17:23 Krock "WHAT THE FUCK MAN FIREFOX 29 AND 30 SUCK SO MUCH IT IS COMPLETELY UNDESCRIBABLE IN ENGLISH"
17:23 jordan4ibanez Like, are the wheels made out of mouse pads? lol
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17:26 john_minetest Lol, I installed the classic theme restorer the day that the new firefox came out.
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17:27 * sfan5 licks john_minetest
17:27 * RumiaGloop licks sfan5
17:27 jordan4ibanez Firefox is gross
17:27 RumiaGloop fiyafax
17:27 Krock that constuction of a robot looks interesting...
17:29 PenguinDad <3 Firefox
17:29 Krock it wheels. fast. very fast.
17:29 Jordach ^^
17:29 jordan4ibanez it looks like jamie hynamin's battle bot without the cover
17:30 john_minetest I can doubleclick the tab bar to make a new tab
17:30 john_minetest Lol, I didn't know about that feature
17:35 sfan5 jordan4ibanez: which time is it for you? about 1 pm?
17:35 jordan4ibanez 1:35
17:35 sfan5 yay
17:35 sfan5 guessed right
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17:36 Krock > America
17:36 john_minetest USA! USA! USA!
17:36 sfan5 ^
17:36 jordan4ibanez the day we can transfer from server to server is the best day
17:36 john_minetest Nah
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17:36 Cylus Is there a way to specify which seed to use from the command line?
17:36 Krock john_minetest, the obama-country is not the only in that timezone
17:37 jordan4ibanez because with that you could have 2 servers running on 2 different hard drives in a dual core cpu. So one is a main world, and the other, a mining world
17:37 Krock Cylus, "notepad minetestfolder\worlds\myworld\map_meta.txt"
17:37 sfan5 Cylus: no
17:38 Cylus Drats. I guess I write a script to modify the text file before starting then. Thanks!
17:38 john_minetest jordan4ibanez: Well, why not just share the player files between the worlds?
17:39 jordan4ibanez Because the mining world is for destroying the terrain in search of minerals
17:40 john_minetest Yeah, but couldn't you simply let both servers access the same player files/inventory?
17:40 john_minetest So if you mine in the one world, your building world inventory gets the stones  and other resources when you join that server.
17:45 john_minetest Also the world is 60x60x60 km large. You could use 30x60x60 km for building and the other half for mining
17:46 john_minetest So no need for several worlds
17:46 * sfan5 meows at john_minetest
17:48 blaise hrmm
17:49 blaise it would seem that games-action/minetest_build, games-action/minetest_common, and games-action/minetest_survival have been removed from gentoo portage
17:50 blaise I can only assume that those are provided by the games-action/minetest, and games-action/minetest_game ebuilds?
17:50 blaise anyone here running gentoo care to converse with me on this?
17:50 sfan5 no
17:51 blaise sfan5: you run gentoo linux?
17:51 john_minetest Hmmm, Carts are still pretty laggy.
17:51 Cylus Minetest no longer has build, common, or survival.
17:51 sfan5 blaise: "anyone here running gentoo?" "no" -> no
17:51 sfan5 I use Arch
17:51 Cylus They were probably removed from Gentoo because we removed them over here.
17:52 blaise john_minetest: yeh, there's a mod someone made that was inspired by carts and monorails by some cat that looks uber promising, but unfortunetly isn't compatable with any vanilla minetest version
17:52 blaise Cylus: so they are provided by games-action/minetest, and games-action/minetest_game packages on other distributions?
17:53 blaise sfan5: I ditched arch 7 or 8 years ago.. too much of a hassle to maintain..
17:53 PenguinDad > by some cat that looks uber promising
17:53 PenguinDad lol
17:54 sfan5 blaise: the mod is compatible with vanilla minetest; provided you 1) apply the patch on the server side 2) get the formspec issue sorted out
17:54 blaise ABS and all that.. pacman wrappers always not compatable with current versions and what not
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17:54 sfan5 blaise: why are you using pacman wrappers?
17:54 sfan5 ABS is pretty nice
17:54 blaise sfan5: because pacman alone isn't enough
17:54 sfan5 no?
17:54 Calinou <john_minetest> Lol, I installed the classic theme restorer the day that the new firefox came out.
17:54 Calinou you're missing a lot ;)
17:54 Cylus blaise: I'm on Debian. My distribution still ships Minetest 0.3.1. I don't know about others distributions. But the current stable Minetest has no need for those three packages you mentioned. They've been removed from the game.
17:55 Calinou I like the new interface.
17:55 blaise I can't even remember the wrapper I liked, but the developer got fed up with upstream always changing their syntax and api and all that he just gave up and moved back to slackware
17:55 sfan5 Cylus: debian sid has 0.4.10
17:55 blaise I like debian..
17:55 Calinou Cylus, jessie and sid bundle 0.4.10 ;)
17:55 Calinou upgrade to jessie or sid, it's a good deal for a desktop
17:55 blaise I just prefer gentoo or funtoo
17:55 Calinou or for a server that doesn't need high availability
17:55 blaise mostly funtoo though
17:56 Cylus Debian Unstable doesn't play nice with my mobile though, so I can't run that.
17:56 john_minetest I tried to install gentoo once but it was too difficult.
17:56 Cylus (read: MTP in Unstable/Testing is broken.)
17:56 jordan4ibanez You have to practice in virtualbox young padiwan
17:56 john_minetest I got an own little distro now, it was easier to make it than to install gentoo.
17:57 john_minetest But for working I am using Archlinux.
17:57 blaise lmao
17:57 john_minetest A lot of packages, always up-to-date and AUR/ABS.
17:58 blaise if it's too hard to install via a livecd and chroot from stage3, you don't wanna know what's involved from bootstrap
17:58 blaise lmao
17:58 blaise which is what we used to have to do..
17:58 blaise and some still do if they want to install to architechture that doesn't have a pre cooked stage3 tarball
18:01 Cylus Those poor people.
18:01 blaise I moved around, I started on slackware in 92
18:01 blaise then I went to redhat before they wen't all commercial
18:01 Cylus I don't think I could do it. I'd have to go computerless until I could get help.
18:02 blaise Cylus: I've installed gentoo on so many machines the whole thing is muscle memory
18:02 Calinou <Cylus> (read: MTP in Unstable/Testing is broken.)
18:02 Calinou report bug? ;)
18:03 blaise after redhat went insane I moved to SuSE, but I was confronted with the same problems... I hate rpm
18:03 blaise then I moved back to slackware for a while..
18:03 Cylus Calinou: I probably should .... but that would mean living with a broken system until I could figure out the details to report. Maybe if I had a spare machine lying around.
18:04 Calinou VirtualBox? ;)
18:04 blaise I like debian, although most of my experience with debian has been with the grml sysadmin livecd (linux swiss army knife)
18:04 jin_xi so,
18:04 Cylus Does VirtualBox even have USB connectivity?
18:04 Calinou I think it does
18:04 Calinou extensions though
18:05 blaise the usb is similar to pci passthrough
18:05 blaise it works pretty well if you configure it properly
18:05 blaise you can have the whole hub, or just one device
18:05 blaise oh my god
18:05 Cylus Oh, yeah. I forgot. It can use USB, but only if you install the proprietary addons (both in the host system and in the guest system). So that won't work.
18:06 blaise I just nearly died trying to drink my coffee...
18:06 blaise XD
18:06 Cylus Don't do it! It's poisoned!
18:06 blaise Cylus: no, it works without the drivers
18:06 blaise I boot usb flash drives in vbox all the time
18:06 john_minetest gentoo installation documentation is a bit weird. Every site says something else.
18:07 blaise john_minetest: don't follow other sites, they're either misleading or outdated
18:07 blaise john_minetest: only follow the gentoo.org handbook
18:07 Cylus blaise: Do you have the proprietary host addon though? Many distributions probably install it by default.
18:07 john_minetest Archlinux has a very good documentation.
18:07 Calinou I don't think Debian adds it as a recommended package or a dependency
18:07 Calinou thankfully…
18:07 blaise Cylus: negative. you can't use the addons when booting...
18:08 Cylus Okay, I'll try again then.
18:08 blaise that's why I mentioned that I boot from usb flash drives
18:08 blaise the addons disc img is for drivers.. specificly for windows.. accelerated video and what not
18:08 blaise and it's for guest vm's, not the host
18:09 blaise the host stuff is the kernel drivers... for vmnet and pci passthrough and usb and what not
18:09 blaise app-emulation/virtualbox-modules
18:10 Cylus The addons disc image is the guest addons, but there are also host addons.
18:10 Cylus The host addons are usually a package.
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18:14 john_minetest https://www.archlinux.org/packages/?q=minetest :D
18:15 john_minetest Hmm, are there any moderated minetest servers?ß
18:16 kaeza john_minetest, any on inchranet
18:16 kaeza (VE's 897641 servers, SN's one, and a couple of others)
18:17 john_minetest Well, I mean with events and stuff.
18:17 kaeza "events"?
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18:18 john_minetest Like a spleef battle where the winners get resources and stuff.
18:18 john_minetest As seen onn a lot of minecraft servers.
18:19 john_minetest Duh, Megaf's server is full.
18:19 Cylus blaise: <https://temp.cyl.us/paste/Scre​enshot_-_091014_-_11:17:31.png>
18:19 blaise lol
18:20 blaise wow
18:20 blaise app-emulation/virtualbox-extpack-oracle
18:20 Calinou are you cy4, Cylus?
18:20 blaise PUEL extensions
18:21 Cylus Calinou: Nope. Never heard of him/her.
18:21 blaise I'm really not happy with oracle
18:21 john_minetest extensions are required to use memory devices.
18:21 Cylus Exactly. Meaning I can't use USB devices.
18:21 Cylus From VirtualBox, anyway.
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18:23 Calinou you sound similar to him
18:23 Calinou (“security” person)
18:23 Calinou wanted to get GPG into Minetest for authentication
18:23 Calinou refused because it wasn't portabler
18:23 Calinou -r
18:24 Cylus I don't even know how to use GPG yet, though it's on my list of things I want to learn.
18:24 Cylus I'd love to be able to sign/encrypt my mail.
18:25 Calinou http://emailselfdefense.fsf.org/
18:27 blaise wow
18:27 blaise how do you not know how to use gpg ?
18:27 blaise some of us had to learn on the original implementation of pgp
18:27 Calinou it's not trivial
18:27 Krock There was a tool which called "flagger" or somewhat. It generated words like "terrorist", "bomb", .. as answer to the NSA-scandal
18:28 Calinou computing is easier by now, people are less used to tricky stuff ;)
18:28 Cylus Okay, sweet. I'll probably read that over once I'm done with my tasks for the day. It's not a long list, but I'm a bit slow.
18:28 Cylus blaise: Everyone doesn't know at some point.
18:28 blaise no, it's not.. there are outlook and thunderbird plugins so you don't really have to do anything but generate your keys and install it
18:28 Cylus blaise: I use Claws Mail.
18:29 Cylus Not many plugins, as far as I know for it.
18:29 Calinou Outlook? no thanks ;)
18:29 Calinou proprietary client + encryption really don't mix
18:29 Cylus Yeah, for sure.
18:29 blaise Cylus: ever heard of squirrelmail?
18:29 * sfan5 meows at Calinou
18:29 blaise http://www.squirrelmail.org/
18:29 Cylus Who knows who Outlook sends the keys to.
18:30 Calinou you could use a local webmail instance, yes
18:30 Calinou like Roundcube
18:30 Cylus blaise: I've heard of it, but I thought it was a mail server.
18:30 blaise it is..
18:30 blaise I use postfix
18:30 blaise not a sendmail fan
18:30 PenguinDad Krock: this one? http://flagger.io/
18:30 blaise alpine is nice
18:30 Krock PenguinDad, exactly that one.
18:31 Cylus Okay, so we switched form clients to servers then. My bad. I guess encryption could be done on either end, but most servers blacklist my IP address. I can send mail using my own server, but no one will receive it.
18:33 sfan5 Cylus: buy a cheap vps to send your mail
18:35 Cylus I don't even have enough money for the things I actually need. Even if I did though, I'm not yet at that step. I still have other things that rank higher on my list of things to learn how to do than learning to use third-party VPNs.
18:35 Cylus *VPSs
18:36 blaise lmao
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18:36 blaise use google's servers
18:36 blaise it's sending mail that get you blacklisted
18:36 blaise anyone can set up a recieving end
18:37 Cylus Google won't let me register an account without handing over my phone number. No thanks.
18:37 blaise really? I just gave them the local direct line for 911
18:37 Cylus Plus, I don't even have a phone number right now (I'm getting one today or tomorrow).
18:37 blaise they wanna pay the fine, they can call it.
18:37 blaise I use asterisk with a magicjack account
18:38 Krock Cylus, I had to register a gmail account for my student-place. I needed to use the number of my dad. I don't have a mobile phone. Wtf google?
18:39 Cylus Krock: I know, right?
18:39 blaise I never had to enter a number till I linked my google account to the play store
18:39 Cylus blaise: <https://temp.cyl.us/paste/Scre​enshot_-_090614_-_18:32:12.png>
18:39 Warr1024 don't they let you use another email address to sign up?
18:39 blaise even with my gooogle developer account they didn't require a phone number
18:39 Warr1024 usually you can find at least 1 free service out there that doesn't require some kind of real-identity crap to sign up
18:39 blaise yeah
18:39 Warr1024 and then just fan that out into whatever you actually wanted...
18:39 Cylus I can't even register an account without verifying my number. I will not do it.
18:40 blaise I have 10 email accounts all circular to recover each other
18:40 Warr1024 all you gotta do is find that first service
18:40 Krock use a circular saw to get more corcular emails.
18:40 Krock *circular
18:40 Warr1024 Yahoo worked for that at one time, might work now, might not, dunno...
18:40 PenguinDad !c 324*4/60
18:40 MinetestBot 21.6
18:40 blaise Cylus: try setting up a google voice account
18:40 blaise then give them the phone number they assigned you
18:40 blaise XD
18:41 Cylus blaise: I tried that. They won't let me without a phone number to link it to.
18:41 blaise seriously?
18:41 Cylus s/link it/forward calls/
18:41 blaise my google voice number isn't linked to anything
18:41 Cylus Seriously.
18:41 blaise it's just a phone..
18:41 Cylus It might be a new thing they do.
18:42 blaise wow
18:42 blaise well, so much for google
18:42 blaise on to the next big thing
18:42 blaise XD
18:42 Cylus Yeah, that's pretty much what I've decided too.
18:43 blaise I pretty much gave up on google after I had put years of work into writing api for google wave only for them to wipe it clean and shut it down
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18:43 Cylus If someone has an answer, I wouldn't be against trying it, but I've given up looking for one myself. I have better things to do, such as use services that aren't expecting every person on earth to have a phone.
18:43 blaise I have a phone, I just don't give the number out
18:43 blaise XD
18:44 sfan5 blaise: then who was phone?
18:44 blaise when google asked me for a # I litterly looked up the emergency police # out of the phone book and put it in there
18:44 Cylus I usually have one, but it's out of service right now. And even when it is in service, I use it for the data connection, not the phone features.
18:45 Cylus Yeah, that works only if they're not going to send an activation code.
18:45 blaise telephone isn't relyable since it's not pure copper anymore
18:45 blaise anyone can make any number work on any phone
18:45 blaise the system is broken and insecure
18:46 Cylus I've been saying we should switch over to SIP for ages.
18:46 sfan5 today on #minetest: why the govt. is bad and everything is insecure
18:46 Cylus SIP addresses are also a lot nicer than phone numbers.
18:46 Krock Random mod: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=6492
18:46 sfan5 !title
18:46 MinetestBot sfan5: SquirrelMail - Webmail for Nuts!
18:46 PenguinDad wat
18:46 sfan5 wat
18:46 Krock wat
18:46 sfan5 !title
18:46 MinetestBot sfan5: SquirrelMail - Webmail for Nuts!
18:46 sfan5 https://google.com
18:46 sfan5 !title
18:46 MinetestBot sfan5: Google
18:47 sfan5 !title https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=6492
18:47 MinetestBot sfan5: [Mod] Wiki Mod [wiki] - Minetest Forums
18:47 Cylus Weird .....
18:47 Krock possibly it doesn't accept https?
18:47 sfan5 I just did https google
18:47 Krock (for not-!title-called-urls)
18:47 Krock hmm
18:47 MinetestBot 4Ever7yone8 who3 likes c6ats plea4se r7aise8 his3/her han6d.
18:47 Krock o/
18:47 sfan5 o/
18:47 john_minetest \o
18:48 john_minetest i am different
18:48 PenguinDad \o/
18:48 Cylus It depends on the cat.
18:48 Krock °
18:48 Krock o/
18:48 Krock nuu.. hand flew off
18:48 MinetestBot 4Cylu7s: f8luff3y & cute6 cats
18:48 Krock meow?
18:48 MinetestBot 4m7e8o3w
18:48 Krock MEOW!
18:48 MinetestBot 4M7R8O3W!
18:48 Cylus It's the personality that matters, not the looks.
18:49 MinetestBot 4how7 ab8out3 nice 6cats?
18:49 john_minetest :D
18:49 Cylus Well, if they're nice, then I like them. But I like almost anything if it's nice.
18:49 john_minetest Lol, who gets a cat for the PERSONALITY?!?
18:49 Krock Cylus, nightmare http://i.imgur.com/c71EM.jpg
18:49 MinetestBot Krock: 09-10 23:49 UTC <john_minetest> hi :3
18:49 MinetestBot 4some7one 8do !3cat to s6ee a cat4.
18:49 john_minetest If it was for the personality, nobody would get cats.
18:49 john_minetest !cat
18:49 MinetestBot http://i.imgur.com/w9c7A6x.jpg
18:50 PenguinDad cat /dev/urandom :D
18:50 MinetestBot 4m7e8o3w
18:50 Cylus john_minetest: Every cat I've had has had a distinct personality. Some good, some not so good.
18:50 john_minetest find . | grep CMakeLists | xargs cat | grep JIT
18:50 MinetestBot john_minetest: 09-10 23:50 UTC <Krock> hiiii
18:50 Krock .
18:50 sfan5 I only have /bin/cat
18:50 sfan5 so sad
18:50 sfan5 :(
18:51 john_minetest It is a binary cat.
18:51 Krock C:\AT\
18:51 MinetestBot Krock: 09-10 23:50 UTC <john_minetest> Don't send me messages over minetestbot! ;;)
18:51 john_minetest I got a source cat.
18:51 Krock kitten, knitten, kitchen.
18:51 john_minetest Source cats love playing with tarballs.
18:51 MinetestBot john_minetest: 09-10 23:51 UTC <Krock> why not?
18:52 * PenguinDad doesn't need !cat because he's got four cats in his neighbourhood
18:52 khonkhortisan I've never heard that joke
18:52 sfan5 john_minetest, Krock: please stop
18:52 Krock sfan5, okay
18:52 MinetestBot Krock: 09-10 23:51 UTC <john_minetest> just kidding :)
18:52 john_minetest sfan5:ok
18:52 MinetestBot john_minetest: 09-10 23:52 UTC <Krock> Trololo?
18:52 Krock HAHAHHA
18:52 PenguinDad O_o
18:52 john_minetest lol
18:53 sfan5 23:53 UTC?
18:53 sfan5 that can't be right
18:53 Krock possibly server time
18:54 sfan5 it should be utc
18:54 sfan5 :/
18:54 sfan5 zsh/2 2505 % TZ=UTC date
18:54 sfan5 Mi 10. Sep 18:53:59 UTC 2014
18:54 Krock LOL
18:54 Krock and that's the output of MTB?
18:54 sfan5 what?
18:54 PenguinDad MinetestBot: you are 5 hours in da future!
18:54 Krock nvm
18:55 Krock hmm. that's the time somewhere near to russia
18:55 john_minetest zsh syntax looks weird.
18:55 sfan5 !tell test
18:55 MinetestBot sfan5: ...and text
18:55 sfan5 !tell john_minetest hello
18:55 MinetestBot sfan5: I'll pass that on when john_minetest is around
18:55 john_minetest boo!
18:55 MinetestBot john_minetest: 09-10 18:55 UTC <sfan5> hello
18:56 john_minetest Works.
18:56 sfan5 yeah
18:56 sfan5 thats because I changed /etc/localtime
18:56 Cylus !tell MinetestBot Hello.
18:56 MinetestBot I'm not dumb, you know?
18:56 john_minetest lol
18:56 sfan5 :D
18:56 MinetestBot sfan5: 09-10 18:56 UTC <john_minetest> Does this work?
18:56 sfan5 yes it does
18:56 john_minetest Yeah, also works.
18:56 sfan5 now stop
18:56 Cylus !tell mINETESTbOT Hello.
18:56 MinetestBot I'm not dumb, you know?
18:57 PenguinDad !tell wilhelm !tell :D
18:57 sfan5 PenguinDad: :D
18:57 Krock omg. so creative.
18:57 sfan5 !tw https://twitter.com/0xabad1d​ea/status/509772691923283968
18:57 MinetestBot "black preschoolers are 18% of the kids but 48% of the multiple suspensions" "but I know a white kid who got suspended!" - internet comments (@0xabad1dea)
18:57 john_minetest wilhelm will get so many messages when joining
18:58 blaise I'm absolutly disgusted at how bloated firefox has become
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18:58 sfan5 exactly
18:58 jp_ joined #minetest
18:58 sfan5 just use chromium
18:58 blaise and chrome is worse!
18:58 wilhelm .
18:58 MinetestBot wilhelm: 06-27 19:20 UTC <john_minetest> !tell
18:58 wilhelm .
18:58 blaise I'm switching to opera
18:59 sfan5 !ignore *@unaffiliated/john-minetest/x-5335115
18:59 MinetestBot sfan5: '*!*@unaffiliated/john-minetest/x-5335115' added to ignore list.
18:59 john_minetest 06-27
18:59 john_minetest This was MONTH AGO!
18:59 sfan5 I'm aware
18:59 blaise lol
18:59 Krock :/
18:59 blaise bot abuse
18:59 PenguinDad The strange swiss guy has come to this channel \o/
19:00 Krock Now, only Walter (son of wilhelm) is missing
19:00 Calinou <blaise> I'm absolutly disgusted at how bloated firefox has become
19:00 Calinou http://breach.cc/
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19:00 rubenwardy .
19:01 blaise meh
19:01 blaise I'll just use links
19:02 Calinou look at about:config too
19:03 Calinou you can disable functionality there if you really want it
19:03 Calinou The chrome/ subdirectory of the chromium project (all that makes up the Google Chrome experience: tabs, settings, sync, omnibox) is made up of 5,343 C++ implementation files, adding up to 1,449,451 lines of C++ code (as of 2013/09/11). It's hardly tractable by one person, and hints to the fact that it's probably impossible for one guy to modify it alone to come up with a profoundly different experience.
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19:12 blaise http://links.twibright.com/
19:12 PenguinDad I think I should really stop running c-ray at insane settings https://cdn.mediacru.sh/1BGD0xDcME0U.png
19:13 Jordach PenguinDad, blender internals does better ;)
19:14 PenguinDad Jordach: You don't have to tell me that
19:14 Calinou blaise, my eyes are bleeding :x
19:16 blaise Calinou: lmao
19:16 blaise Calinou: it's the links browser
19:16 blaise Calinou: supports both text and graphical mode
19:16 Calinou a colour and font change would be beneficial already
19:16 Calinou very simple
19:16 blaise similar to lynx
19:16 Calinou I'm talking about its website
19:16 blaise http://lynx.isc.org/
19:17 Calinou ugly background…
19:17 Calinou you can make text-compatible websites that look good
19:17 blaise lol
19:17 john_minetest Don't rate a tool after the website design
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19:17 Calinou john_minetest, I know, but it often quite shows the dedication of the developers
19:17 blaise ghost doggie ?
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19:18 * GhostDoge licks blaise
19:18 blaise wow, so slober
19:18 blaise such yucky
19:18 john_minetest Well, you can be the best C coder ever but when you suck at web design, you can't make a nice website.
19:18 blaise john_minetest: indeed..
19:19 Calinou other developers or contributors may do the website anyway
19:19 blaise I suck at web design, and C coding.. I'm a really good cook though.. XD
19:19 GhostDoge john_minetest: I suck at both ;D
19:19 jin_xi i like it, it has a lynx. a manul would be even better
19:19 VanessaE what about those of us who can actually manage to do both? :)
19:20 john_minetest I can code a bit and I can do some CSS and HTML.
19:20 blaise john_minetest: php ?
19:20 john_minetest I fiddled around with php a bit but it isn't really cool.
19:20 blaise I've seen some super nice websites generated from php alone
19:21 john_minetest php is ugly. And old.
19:21 john_minetest I prefer js and css.
19:21 blaise so is the binary code, what's your point?
19:21 john_minetest php is server-side.
19:21 blaise maybe we should just host the site on the client side too, eh?
19:21 john_minetest It is much smarter to let the clients do the work than buying a bigger server so it supports php
19:22 john_minetest Clients are so fast today. And it is better to use 1% more CPU power on 500 clients than 500x 1% more on the server side.
19:22 * kahrl has a clever idea! why not serve static HTML and save power on server and clients?
19:23 blaise could you imagine if html was p2p? similar to torrents?
19:23 john_minetest Yes, I could imagine this.
19:23 VanessaE kahrl: *gasp* are you INSANE?  you mean actually do it RIGHT? ;)
19:23 john_minetest kahrl: JS does fancy effects.
19:23 john_minetest Like sparkles.
19:24 Jordach >other mail account -- Last login: 11/30/13 9:01 PM
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19:24 blaise kahrl: http://midnightsystems.net
19:24 blaise XD
19:24 Calinou PHP, JS and CSS are not comparable, you probably want to compare PHP with Python, Ruby or JS (node.js)
19:24 Calinou you can run JavaScript both client-side and server-side
19:24 blaise I say we throw all that crap out the window and actually use the html5 spec
19:24 Calinou kahrl, annoying to use
19:24 Calinou tedious to update, etc
19:25 Calinou there are generators, but not nearly as powerful as using a full website revision system like WordPress or Drupal
19:25 VanessaE Calinou: my site is all statis HTML, quite easy to update.
19:25 Calinou my Mods page also is just HTML + CSS, because it doesn't need more than that
19:25 VanessaE static*
19:25 Calinou but can you imagine the MMDB in static HTML? ;)
19:25 Calinou or even a forum
19:25 VanessaE heh
19:25 Warr1024 they're not so hard to do, really
19:26 VanessaE those are examples where dynamic content is needed
19:26 Warr1024 a lot of blogs work that way
19:26 blaise indeed.
19:26 blaise most, actually
19:26 Calinou OctoPress is a static platform for blogs, yes
19:26 Warr1024 instead of generating dynamic content at the time of download, they static-ify the content at upload time.
19:26 Warr1024 and of course one fun way to publish dynamic content using a purely static platform is a combination of git and notepad.
19:26 blaise I need to generate a website for my site
19:27 blaise there isn't much on it atm
19:27 Calinou Webgen?
19:27 VanessaE Warr1024: that's not too far from what I do.  gedit + a script that calls rsync with the command line args I need
19:27 blaise wha? no vim?
19:27 VanessaE fuck vim :P
19:28 blaise VanessaE: are you an emacs user?
19:28 VanessaE fuck emacs :P
19:28 VanessaE nano ftw :)
19:28 blaise nano -w ?
19:28 Warr1024 technically, when I say "notepad" what I usually mean is actually "vi"
19:28 blaise no syntax highliting?
19:28 CWz nano is where it's at
19:28 Warr1024 nano and vim are too bloated.
19:28 blaise ehm, no.
19:28 VanessaE blaise: nano can do syntax highlighting actually, and I use gedit most of the time, which also does.
19:28 blaise nano is for people that don't want alpine just to get pico
19:29 Calinou nano has syntax highlighting, works randomly for me :/
19:29 VanessaE for some reason, I usually use nano for editing shell scripts, gedit for Lua et al.
19:29 Warr1024 vi actually has more syntax highlighting than any editor I've seen.  It highlights ALL syntax.  In white.
19:30 blaise hrmm
19:31 blaise I wish the minetest motd was in a seperate file
19:31 Cylus I usually use nano for files on the server, gedit for code, and Mousepad for files that I want to see as they are (gedit hides the ending \n in a file).
19:32 john_minetest yay, megaf's server has more slots now!
19:32 blaise and I wish it had flags.. so we could say "Welcome to my minetest server! there are currently /u users logged in, the current game time is /t.
19:32 blaise stuff like that
19:32 blaise similar to /etc/issue
19:33 blaise ansi color sequencing compatability would be nice as well
19:34 blaise so we could have bold, underlined, and blinky text in the motd..
19:34 VanessaE ...
19:34 GhostDoge blinky text \o/
19:35 Warr1024 <font color="ohgodmyeyes">...</font>
19:35 blaise mostly for messages about griefing
19:35 Warr1024 plus deprecated tags ftw
19:35 Warr1024 blinking messages about griefing?  nice irony.
19:36 blaise I don't want a hole line, just a few words..
19:36 blaise like "Griefing = permaban!"
19:36 Warr1024 it'd actually be nice if we had something more like the "ssh banner" in addition to motd.
19:36 Warr1024 i.e. "banner" is before login completes.
19:37 blaise the /etc/issue is what is used with the ssh banner
19:37 blaise it's issued on the local console as well
19:37 Warr1024 so for instance, download a bit of text when first connecting, and display that while all the "loading" stuff is there, so the user has a chance maybe to read it
19:37 GhostDoge blaise: make the "permaban!" part a blinking rainbow :P
19:37 blaise GhostDoge: eh, that's a bit much.
19:37 blaise the only thing I would use the color for would be to maybe display a logo for the server in ansi
19:38 blaise I'm not honestly a fan of color spam
19:38 blaise I do enjoy good ansi art though, as I used to run a BBS 20 years ago
19:38 Warr1024 you could probably whip up a small mod that sends your extended MOTD to the player as a formspec.
19:38 Warr1024 then you could even use full images and whatnot...
19:39 blaise seriously thinking about bringing it back for nostalgia
19:40 blaise Warr1024: why? at that point we would be turning formspec into an integrated in game web browser
19:40 Calinou libRocket has been considered for a bit, actually ;)
19:41 Calinou but it's notorious for high CPU usage
19:41 Calinou it's a good idea anyway
19:41 blaise wasn't the whole idea of having a voxel game to be able to play on old slow hardware?
19:41 Warr1024 blaise: what, were you planning on putting hyperlinks into your MOTD or something?  As I understand it, formspec already supports a superset of what chat does, including some of what you want to do.
19:42 blaise no, no hyperlinks
19:42 blaise just ANSI text encoding compliance
19:42 Calinou not so much in 2014
19:42 Calinou it tries to be lighter than Minecraft overall
19:42 Calinou but it's not a goal in itself
19:43 jin_xi so here is a thing i've been wondering:
19:43 jin_xi minetest has nice noise generations
19:43 jin_xi wouldnt it be nice to be able to generate HD textures procedurally
19:43 Calinou you don't generate textures with just noise
19:43 Warr1024 how would you sandbox procedural texture generation programs on the client side?
19:44 Calinou look at the usual workflow of a texture maker…
19:44 Calinou it's much more than that
19:44 Calinou also, this is using the CPU for nothing :/
19:45 jin_xi not just noice, its procedural, but noise is useful
19:45 jin_xi s/c/s
19:45 Warr1024 you can probably just "procedurally" generate your textures into a vertical-frames animation and it's probably good enough...
19:46 Warr1024 like procedural fire would be neat in theory, but the ability to customize the texture is pretty nice too
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19:48 Calinou in Minecraft, the fire texture is procedural
19:48 Calinou quite impressive considering how it isn't trivial
19:48 Calinou same used to go for lava and water
19:50 jin_xi i'm not a pixel artists (see tetris mod buttons :( ) but i just wondered... i mean there is texture combination and such in mt, would it be technically feasible to generate textures or do there need to be files and all?
19:51 jin_xi i think it could be fun for hacking up varied games
19:51 blaise the ansi encoding isn't even server side.. that's all client side anyway
19:51 blaise and it's supported by the windows console and most linux terminals and osx anyway
19:51 VanessaE jin_xi: look at signs_lib to see what happens when you use texture combining to do what you're thinking of.
19:52 Warr1024 procedural fire looks pretty cool with all the default textures, but as I understand it, you can't customize MC's fire texture.
19:52 Warr1024 but you CAN customize the one in MT
19:52 VanessaE the signs' entities are built more or less procedurally
19:52 blaise the only thing that would be server side would be setting up variables to grab on the fly at the time of motd display
19:52 blaise like the current game time, system load, users logged in, stuff like that
19:53 VanessaE jin_xi: the short version is that you can cram about 2500 or so combine operations into one image before you exceed the ability to send that data to the client (serialization errors after that()
19:53 VanessaE -(
19:53 Warr1024 actually, something like procedural texturing or texture enhancing sounds like something we might see from shaders...
19:53 jin_xi VanessaE: i know  that, painting mod actually predates signs... but i really want to avoid combining hd textures or having a base texture for every color
19:53 VanessaE jin_xi: right, I tend to forget about that painting mod
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19:55 jin_xi well i sure would love defining a coupla hundred nodes in plain colors w/o bothering with textures and such
19:55 luizrpgluiz How many programmers have in minetest team?
19:55 VanessaE luizrpgluiz: active?  not many
19:55 VanessaE less than 10 I guess
19:55 luizrpgluiz :)
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20:00 Cylus Weird .... It seems that the outer one block in every chunk overlaps with another chunk's block ... When the second chunk is generated, it doesn't fully regenerate the block, but it does do some regen work on it, taking the past version of the block as influence.
20:01 Cylus I put staircase made of cobble/stone stairs into one chunk's mapgen, and another chunk overwrote it with dirt, though it kept the general shape.
20:02 Warr1024 I believe the mapgen allows you to put stuff outside of the mapblock you're generating, e.g. so that trees aren't truncated at block boundaries, and you also don't have to recalc the neighbor blocks' trees.
20:02 GhostDoge Is soundcloud dieing right now?
20:04 Cylus Warr1024: Wow, that's cool. I didn't know it did that either.
20:04 Cylus GhostDoge: Wouldn't know. I can't use SoundCloud anyway because it doesn't work without Flash.
20:05 GhostDoge Cylus: It does work without flash
20:06 Cylus GhostDoge: Odd. Every time I go there, I get two or three "you need to install Flash" errors, and none of the music will play.
20:06 Cylus Maybe it requires some other plugin as well.
20:08 blaise I believe a minetest "Turn Down for What!" parody on youtube might increase popularity
20:09 blaise we're going to need some minetest coriogrophy
20:09 blaise casting role inverviews
20:10 Cylus What is "Turn Down for What!"?
20:10 sfan5 !g turn down for what
20:10 MinetestBot sfan5: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMUDVMiITOU
20:10 Cylus I seem to have broken Minetest when I set chunk size to one. I wonder what happens when I turn it down further ....
20:10 john_minetest Best song ever.
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20:11 john_minetest For the germans in here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVX2uBABflU
20:11 john_minetest GEMA strikes again
20:11 Calinou https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=6&amp;t=10097
20:11 Calinou award of using the most colours in a thread
20:11 sfan5 Calinou: nope
20:12 sfan5 I have that aware
20:12 sfan5 award*
20:12 sfan5 when I congratulated evergreen
20:12 sfan5 for birthday
20:12 sfan5 in a forum post
20:12 Cylus It seems to cause a floating point exception and crashes the game. I imagine that likely refers to a division by zero error.
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20:27 EvergreenTree 'Ello everyone
20:29 GhostDoge \o EvergreenTree
20:30 EvergreenTree https://github.com/4Evergreen4/roflcopter
20:30 EvergreenTree :3
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20:34 Calinou 87-line code under LGPL? meh
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20:34 Calinou just use Apache 2 or CC0 for such a short thing
20:34 EvergreenTree Calinou: meh, okay
20:34 Calinou (this is officially what GNU recommends, for software of less than 300 lines)
20:37 LemonLake Oh.
20:37 LemonLake This opened.
20:37 LemonLake Hello.
20:37 PenguinDad Hi LemonLake
20:37 LemonLake I'm actually on linux for the first time in ages
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21:20 blaise !up midnightsystems.net
21:20 MinetestBot midnightsystems.net:30000 is up (599ms)
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21:20 blaise not bad for a kernel compile in the background
21:20 blaise XD
21:21 VanessaE !seen bas080
21:21 MinetestBot VanessaE: bas080 was last seen at 2014-07-26 00:30:28 UTC on #minetest
21:21 VanessaE damn.
21:22 VanessaE it's been that long?
21:22 blaise yeah, remember when I asked you if he had died?
21:23 blaise XD
21:23 blaise I worry about you guys...
21:23 VanessaE hasn't been to the forum in over a month, and no commits to the vines mod since October 2013 O_o
21:23 VanessaE I guess I can declare support dead for that mod, huh.
21:25 Cylus I wrote a script that builds a spawn room in the middle of the map. The spawn room varies a bit depending on the surrounding landscape. Sometimes on the roof, I get things like this: <https://temp.cyl.us/paste/Scre​enshot_-_091014_-_14:19:52.png>. I can fix that by modifying one line (to deal with the leaves that the stairs spawned in (after that, the leaves died off)), but should I? What do you think: is it a bug to fix or just a lovable quirk?
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21:33 blaise could anyone tell me what is acceptable as far as commenting out lines in minetest.conf ?
21:33 blaise can I use ## ?
21:34 Cylus blaise: Yeah, I believe you can.
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21:34 Cylus blaise: That's what's done in minetest.conf.example.
21:34 blaise great
21:36 jordan4ibanez where is the minetest.conf
21:36 jordan4ibanez I compiled with run_in_place=1
21:36 jordan4ibanez oh oh oh
21:36 Cylus jordan4ibanez: It will be generated in your compile directory after the first time you edit your Minetest settings.
21:37 Cylus Cylus: Or you could add one.
21:38 jordan4ibanez hmmm, it doesn't seem to have added one.
21:39 jordan4ibanez It's in the game folder I guess. :O
21:39 jordan4ibanez dafaq
21:39 Cylus jordan4ibanez: Did you edit your settings in-game?
21:39 Cylus The one in the game directory is not the one to edit. It's game-specific.
21:40 Cylus Compiling Minetest does not automatically generate the config file.
21:40 Cylus You either need to make it yourself, or edit your settings in-game to make Minetest create it for you.
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21:50 blaise how do you edit settings in game?
21:51 blaise I've always used world.mt for in game settings
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21:58 Cylus blaise: If you're editing the game settings, that can't be done in-game. But it sounded like jordan4ibanez was looking for the main minetest.conf. You can edit some of those settings from the "settings" tab.
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22:03 blaise ah
22:03 blaise I wonder if it's possble to do shape charges with tnt in mintest
22:03 blaise *minetest*
22:04 Warr1024 as in write a mod for them?
22:04 Warr1024 I can't think of any reason why not...
22:04 blaise well, there's already a mod that has tnt
22:04 blaise but can we shape charge?
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22:05 Warr1024 IIRC explosions are not an "engine" thing and are handled in mod code now
22:05 blaise maybe it would be more apropriate to write a c-4 mod
22:05 Warr1024 so yeah, whatever shape you want.
22:05 blaise that way you can make shape charges out of c-4 putty
22:07 BillyBillards Hey
22:07 BillyBillards News guys.
22:07 BillyBillards Notch is a cop out
22:07 blaise who is notch?
22:07 BillyBillards Minecraft's owner
22:07 blaise cop out?
22:07 BillyBillards He sold out to MICROSOFT
22:07 Cylus Ah. Is this about the Microsoft deal?
22:07 Cylus I see.
22:07 BillyBillards For $2 Billion
22:08 BillyBillards Yep
22:08 Cylus So the deed is done then?
22:08 BillyBillards I kinda could tell with the EULA
22:08 BillyBillards Yep, the dark sin is done.
22:08 blaise pics or it didn't happen
22:08 blaise lmao
22:08 BillyBillards WSJ reported it
22:08 BillyBillards Same folks that got Nixon behind bars
22:09 Cylus Well, at least we still have Minetest. Good luck getting your grimy mitts on this game, Microsoft.
22:09 BillyBillards Haha
22:09 BillyBillards Word :D
22:09 blaise which word?
22:09 BillyBillards I recently dumped Windows.
22:09 BillyBillards I was using city slang, Blaise.
22:09 BillyBillards It basically means what you said is so true.
22:10 blaise woid too duh mudda land?
22:10 BillyBillards LOL.
22:10 BillyBillards Anyways.
22:10 Cylus Word to the mothership.
22:11 blaise I'm afraid I'm not very good at ebonics
22:11 BillyBillards No more Minecraft for me, I'm through.
22:11 BillyBillards I used to play both, now it's just Minetest for me
22:11 Cylus What are "ebonics"?
22:11 blaise I believe there is a google translator plugin so you can communicate with the rest of the world though.. XD
22:11 Cylus My siblings play Minecraft. I'll have to inform them of the ill news.
22:11 BillyBillards Cylus: American black English regarded as a language in its own right rather than as a dialect of standard English.
22:12 BillyBillards That is Ebonics.
22:12 Cylus Ah, I see.
22:12 blaise like the poser moble commercial?
22:12 BillyBillards Delete all copies of MC!
22:12 BillyBillards Exterminate!
22:12 blaise oh dear, he's gone deralict
22:13 BillyBillards (Dr. Who :3)
22:13 BillyBillards :D
22:13 * blaise whips out his sonic screwdriver
22:13 BillyBillards LOL
22:13 * BillyBillards whips out a nuke cannon
22:14 BillyBillards Localized Nuke Action
22:14 BillyBillards I.E You're in a barrier and a Nuke blows you up inside out, but doesn't affect anything else, except you.
22:14 BillyBillards Atomic Force Incineration :O
22:15 BillyBillards Fear the Daleks :3
22:16 blaise lol (minetest gangnam style parody
22:16 * blaise facepalms
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22:18 BillyBillards Anyways, how is everyone?
22:18 BillyBillards :D
22:20 BillyBillards Hello?
22:20 Cylus I haven't eaten or drinken today, so I feel a bit out of it, but I just finished building an interesting Minetest script, so I guess I'm doing well overall.
22:20 blaise howdy
22:21 Cylus What about you, BillyBillards?
22:21 * VanessaE is okay
22:21 * blaise is impatiently waiting on his weekly system updates
22:21 BillyBillards I'm good thanks
22:21 BillyBillards :D
22:22 BillyBillards Vanessa :D It's been ages
22:22 VanessaE hi
22:22 BillyBillards I was on your server a while ago and you were making something
22:22 BillyBillards Well anyways
22:23 BillyBillards Blaise, what updates? :O
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22:26 ulla hi all
22:26 ulla vanessaeeeeee
22:26 BillyBillards Hi Ulla
22:27 ulla how i interact in vanessae server
22:27 ulla thi
22:27 VanessaE which server, ulla?
22:27 VanessaE free-for-all.
22:27 VanessaE interact granted.
22:28 ulla i control dont remember
22:28 ulla :-)
22:28 VanessaE saw it on the server channel.
22:28 ulla yes
22:28 BillyBillards Is ulla trying to be cute ?
22:28 BillyBillards o.o
22:28 BillyBillards Or does she just not know English too well?
22:28 VanessaE no, she just doesn't speak english well
22:28 blaise wow
22:28 BillyBillards Oh
22:28 blaise I like the airship mod
22:28 ulla lol ty
22:29 BillyBillards I didn't mean to be Rude
22:29 BillyBillards Ulla, i'm sorry if I insulted you in any way.
22:29 ulla is fre for all
22:29 ulla no no problem
22:29 ulla i have bad english
22:30 VanessaE ulla: you can build now.
22:30 ulla in fast mode :-)
22:30 BillyBillards It's just that some people talk that way on purpose. I was just confused
22:31 BillyBillards Vanessa, have you heard? Notch sold out.
22:31 blaise you no make fun of the zohan
22:31 Warr1024 where's the reference for that?
22:31 BillyBillards Wall Street Journal
22:31 BillyBillards One of the most reliable sources in all newsdom
22:31 VanessaE BillyBillards: I heard.
22:31 ulla o i try  vanessa t y all
22:31 blaise I believe we found out yesterday
22:31 Warr1024 I can't tell if that was supposed to be sarcastic or not
22:32 BillyBillards I predicted it really
22:32 Warr1024 though their paywall is certainly not helping
22:32 BillyBillards The EULA, Bukkit staff quitting
22:32 ulla ok  work ty
22:32 Warr1024 what eula?
22:33 BillyBillards the recent EULA change
22:33 Warr1024 which eula?
22:33 BillyBillards I.E You can't sell items for stuff, no monetizing
22:34 BillyBillards Items for Money*
22:34 Warr1024 the one on account.mojang.com/documents/minecraft_eula was last updated 2013-12-11, supposedly
22:34 VanessaE weird thing, I actually saw some of those silly foam picks and swords at wal-mart the other day
22:34 VanessaE first time I ever actually held one
22:34 blaise yeah, they have them at hot topic, and spencers
22:35 BillyBillards Warr that's when it started
22:35 BillyBillards And now
22:35 BillyBillards They've sold out
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22:37 Warr1024 ok, I must have misinterpreted it when you said "recent"
22:37 BillyBillards I'm curious but has anyone made a dedicated Mob mod for Minetest?
22:37 Warr1024 there are a pretty good number of mob mods for mt
22:37 Warr1024 I never found MT particularly conducive to mobs though.
22:38 BillyBillards Eh, I like having a few of them here and there.
22:38 Warr1024 I was more interested in experimenting with the idea of "staybs", i.e. creature-esque things in node form
22:39 BillyBillards Examples of these things, Warren?
22:39 BillyBillards Oops
22:39 BillyBillards Warr
22:39 BillyBillards XD
22:39 BillyBillards I don't know how I did that.
22:39 BillyBillards Must be Aliens.
22:39 blaise I have a perfect example
22:39 blaise just a sec..
22:40 ulla t an other ask
22:40 ulla is possible save some position
22:40 blaise https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=11&amp;t=2979
22:40 ulla after spawn and home?
22:40 blaise ^^^
22:40 blaise sure
22:40 blaise there's a few different ways
22:40 blaise if the server has unified inventory you can set home
22:41 blaise if you make a bed you can sleep in it
22:41 ulla tonly home?
22:41 blaise and if you die, you will respawn in the bed
22:41 BillyBillards blaise: they look nice :D
22:41 blaise BillyBillards: the non-hostile mobs?
22:41 blaise yeah, they're cute
22:41 BillyBillards Yes
22:41 BillyBillards :3
22:41 BillyBillards Widdle Slimies owo
22:42 blaise Warr1024: did you check out my link?
22:42 BillyBillards Honestly, there were some parts of Minecraft I really liked, and now I'm just very sad.
22:43 blaise I don't know the guy that coded that, but it seems to fit your inquery
22:45 BillyBillards blaise: do you know any servers where people actually talk?
22:46 Warr1024 I looked at the link
22:46 Warr1024 broken image links
22:46 Warr1024 are those mobs or staybs?
22:46 BillyBillards And I was wondering if Microsoft does get Mojang, then will they try to sue the creators of Minetest?
22:46 Warr1024 eh, I'll just clone it and rtfs
22:46 BillyBillards Guys, what do you think?
22:46 Warr1024 I don't think anyone has grounds for a lawsuit against MT.
22:46 Warr1024 on what legal theory would they be sued?
22:47 VanessaE even if they had grounds, who do they sue?
22:47 Warr1024 they'd probably name a handful of people
22:47 Warr1024 starting with the core contributors listed in the credits
22:47 VanessaE in finland, germany, poland, ... ?
22:47 VanessaE good luck with that
22:47 Warr1024 maybe
22:47 Warr1024 whomever is easiest to reach
22:48 Warr1024 I guess it depends on where they have legal teams stationed.
22:48 BillyBillards Yes.
22:48 VanessaE and what those countries' laws are regarding re-implementing something
22:48 Warr1024 yeah, it would be a real logistic nightmare for them.
22:48 VanessaE my guess is, MS would get their asses handed to them by the EU
22:48 BillyBillards That's exactly what I was thinking :3
22:48 Warr1024 I have no idea what laws are like there, but in the USA, MT is still perfectly legal.
22:49 Warr1024 voxel-based world games aren't patented, MT doesn't use any of MC's copyrighted code or assets.
22:49 Warr1024 the best shot they'd have would be a trademark violation for using the name "mine*"
22:49 Warr1024 though it's not really hard to rename an open-source project.
22:49 BillyBillards :3
22:49 blaise what I'm thinking is MS is a sinking ship which is following suite with the other sinking ships burning at sea and collecting any capital they can from infringment lawsutes
22:49 Warr1024 I always thought it should be "dig-" instead of "mine-" anyway, since that's the actual internal lexicon...
22:50 blaise s/lawsutes/lawsuites/
22:50 BillyBillards Also they're trying to bottleneck our Internet access, but Fight for the Future is going to stop them :3
22:51 Warr1024 MS is?  Last I heard it was just Comcast
22:51 Warr1024 though I guess I could see a business angle for Microsoft in slow internet.
22:51 blaise that's a moot point anyway.. and by the time google fiber get's wide spread wireless mesh networking will make the internet free for who ever has the equipment.. like it was with packet radio 50-60 years ago
22:51 Warr1024 man, I can only hope you're right about that.
22:52 BillyBillards So am I warr, so am I.
22:52 Warr1024 I'd love to drop cable TV, but it's pointless when the only viable internet provider I have access to is the same cable company
22:52 BillyBillards Yeah, I barely watch TV anymore.
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22:52 blaise the 802.11 mesh specifications are already being standardized
22:53 Warr1024 I've seen a lot of promising mesh technologies, but I haven't seen it really gain any momentum as a movement, or see any significant deployment...
22:53 BillyBillards I mostly read Manga and watch stuff on Youtube.
22:53 blaise it's pretty wide spread in EU
22:53 Warr1024 ah, that's why
22:53 Warr1024 you're not stuck in the USA with ancient communications standards
22:53 BillyBillards Who isn't?
22:53 BillyBillards Ah
22:54 BillyBillards True that
22:55 blaise the whole reason why they sold out is because they're busted anyway
22:55 blaise everyone already has complete access to the sources..
22:56 blaise their laucher is the only thing that checks proper auth...
22:56 Warr1024 I don't think it's an issue
22:56 blaise so anyone that can modify windows executables with a hex editor can have complete access to all old releases, current releases, and dev releases
22:56 Warr1024 software piracy is never a real significant threat to profits.
22:56 Warr1024 especially when the thing is so cheap compared to a lot of other big titles.
22:57 blaise if google hadn't given me a copy, I sure as hell wasn't forking over more than a half dollar for it.
22:57 BillyBillards blaise: The only reason they sold out is that Notch is a hypocrite and always had his eye on the money
22:58 blaise how is he a hypocrite if he always had his eye on the money
22:58 BillyBillards blaise: He rattled on and on about how big corps were bad
22:58 blaise pfft, welcome to corperate propoganda
22:58 BillyBillards Yep, but  a lot of people actually bought into it
22:59 BillyBillards I know a guy who says it's impossible.
22:59 Warr1024 they're still a small corp, depending on how you measure these things
22:59 Warr1024 big money, but not a huge staff
22:59 Warr1024 they probably still have that small company culture where anyone can talk to anyone else, and there isn't a lot of red tape
22:59 blaise at the end of the day, you can look at a person and how they live to see if they'll bite at the bait for power and control
22:59 Warr1024 of course, that'll change...
23:02 BillyBillards Yep
23:03 Warr1024 well, anyone with an ownership interest in the company now probably doesn't need to care
23:03 Warr1024 after all, they can retire.
23:04 Warr1024 and it's not like microsoft is going to sweep in there and kill the goose that laid the golden egg right away.
23:04 BillyBillards True
23:05 Warr1024 though it probably means that they're gonna have to replace all their Amazon services with Azure ones or something.
23:05 BillyBillards Yep, they will probably.
23:05 Warr1024 hotmail used to be good before microsoft bought them
23:06 BillyBillards Warr1024:  and skype
23:06 Warr1024 then they were required to replace their fast, working FreeBSD infrastructure with an NT one.
23:06 Warr1024 I haven't had much experience with Skype myself.
23:06 Warr1024 it's the "eating your own dogfood" thing
23:06 BillyBillards Well, I still use it, regrettably.
23:06 Warr1024 except that when it comes to doing internetty servery things, you're choking on microsoft's dogfood.
23:07 Warr1024 I've used Skype a little, but only post-microsoft.
23:07 BillyBillards Because some of my friends still happen to use it.
23:07 BillyBillards And they happen to be very good friends
23:07 Warr1024 ironically I miss netmeeting
23:07 BillyBillards You've used it? :O
23:08 Warr1024 ekiga was a good replacement in theory, but setting up SIP is a LOT more complicated than just manually opening some firewall holes for H.263 or whatever it was.
23:08 BillyBillards Yeah, SIP is.
23:08 Warr1024 hell, I used netmeeting's password-protected remote desktop sharing from back before Windows included RDP.
23:09 Warr1024 it's been a long time since I've run Windows at home...
23:10 BillyBillards I wonder if more people will flock to Minetest when they hear about the sale
23:10 BillyBillards owo
23:10 Warr1024 flock?  probably not... but it might not hurt to advertise a little
23:10 Warr1024 that is, if you WANT people flocking, I guess.
23:10 BillyBillards :D It wouldn't
23:11 Warr1024 on the one hand, you may get more testers, more modders and new creative content... on the other, it could create some unwanted support noise...
23:11 BillyBillards Well, let's be a little optimistic here.
23:11 Warr1024 but for anyone who plays minecraft on the xbox, I'm sure this is basically a "whatever" for them :-)
23:12 BillyBillards PlayStation ftw.
23:12 Warr1024 I always found it weird that minecraft's pocket edition is a separate game
23:12 BillyBillards Just saying.
23:12 BillyBillards It is.
23:12 BillyBillards They even  have exclusive stuff
23:12 Warr1024 minetest on android is teh exact same minetest
23:12 Warr1024 you can play on the same servers, same mods, everything
23:13 Warr1024 I love the interoperability.
23:13 BillyBillards :D
23:13 BillyBillards So do I
23:15 BillyBillards Well, as I was asking earlier
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23:15 BillyBillards Anyone know of any servers where people actually talk?
23:42 jin_xi ok, so i hacked something up, only plain colors for now, but yeah https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=​NOT93j2jx38&amp;feature=youtu.be
23:44 VanessaE that's a lot of nodes.
23:45 jin_xi and no textures used
23:45 jin_xi just rgb in nodedef
23:46 VanessaE nice
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