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01:15 blaise what was that bit I needed to add to minetest.conf to get the in game mod store to work?
01:15 blaise I can't remmember
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02:42 VanessaE I'm restarting all my serrvers...
02:43 VanessaE oops, wrong channel
02:48 VanessaE ok.. who broke freenode?
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03:30 Cylus My bad, VanessaE.
03:30 VanessaE Cylus: tripped over the power cord again? ;)
03:30 Cylus VanessaE: Yeah .... I'm clumsy like that.
03:32 VanessaE actually it was an outage.  it knocked out some part of the line between wherever Zeno's minetest server is hosted and where my remote server is in Canada.
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03:41 * RealBadAngel yawns
03:41 RealBadAngel good morning :)
03:47 VanessaE hi
03:57 dotDeb wow, minetest has come a long way
03:57 VanessaE indeed so :)
04:07 dotDeb how do you view your own character in minetest
04:07 dotDeb also, is your IP publically visible when you do multiplayer?
04:09 VanessaE press F7
04:10 VanessaE and your IP is as visible as anything else
04:10 VanessaE don't treat it as any more secret than a phone number.
04:10 VanessaE other players can't see it, but of course the server can
04:10 dotDeb oh ok
04:10 dotDeb yea, of course
04:10 dotDeb otherwise you wouldn't be able to play
04:10 VanessaE yep.
04:11 VanessaE F7 was the key to let you see your player, I meant.
04:11 VanessaE (third-person mode)
04:11 dotDeb ah ok
04:11 dotDeb thanks
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07:00 Calinou 1,500 reddit link karma!
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07:03 Krock Calinou, you?
07:03 Krock oh hi btw
07:04 Calinou hi
07:05 Calinou http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/2do07i/w​eechat_freelibre_irc_client_10_released/cjrkkam
07:05 Calinou indeed they love it
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07:08 Krock ah
07:08 Krock *1501
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07:19 sfan5 lol
07:19 sfan5 hi everyone
07:19 sfan5 aaand tell.py is broken again
07:19 sfan5 test
07:19 MinetestBot sfan5: 08-14 03:29 UTC <Jordach> (͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
07:19 sfan5 test
07:19 MinetestBot sfan5: 08-16 03:43 UTC <ispn> drop me a pm on the forum or catch me here tomorrow, you've got a 3d comission from me
07:19 sfan5 test
07:19 sfan5 !tell Jordach ┻━┻ ︵╰(°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
07:19 MinetestBot sfan5: I'll pass that on when Jordach is around
07:19 Calinou lol, artists
07:20 Calinou !tell Jordach /)(^ε^)(\
07:20 MinetestBot Calinou: I'll pass that on when Jordach is around
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07:24 jp no support of the mouse, no notification as default, weechat to the trash
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07:26 Calinou it's a CLI client
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07:28 jp *geek-client
07:30 * Krock meows at sfan5
07:30 MinetestBot Krock: 08-13 00:51 UTC <sfan5> 'solved in mining+' is not much better than proller's 'solved in freeminer'
07:30 Krock yeah.
07:33 * sfan5 meows at Krock
07:41 Calinou freeminer fails to load map blocks today
07:41 Krock GIT: SmallJoker commited "Add whitelist, remove old IP entries after 14 days" at https://github.com/SmallJoker/names_per_ip/
07:41 Calinou it's incredibly buggy and slow
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08:06 sfan5 !tell ispn I won't be available most of today.
08:06 MinetestBot sfan5: I'll pass that on when ispn is around
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08:37 reactor й/
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08:47 new_ hi
08:47 new_ help
08:48 new_ help
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08:49 Calinou “I come from art background, there it's customary to comission people, and requests are frowned upon. I wish it was similar in case of FLOSS. ”
08:49 Calinou that's exactly what I hate in art background
08:51 Krock help help
08:52 reactor Aha.
08:52 Calinou help for what?
08:52 reactor How are you gonna make anything work without requests?
08:53 reactor That's like... Mozilla?
08:53 reactor Or GNOME?
08:53 reactor They never react to bug reports anyway.
08:53 Calinou they do if you troll :)
08:53 reactor It's been ages since I questioned them about Shift-Insert problem.
08:53 reactor (GNOME)
08:54 Krock omg gnomes
08:54 reactor "Ah I don't think it's relevant, everyone uses mouse to paste!"
08:54 reactor Well I don't use GNOME, all I need from that crap is GTK.
08:54 Calinou <reactor> "Ah I don't think it's relevant, everyone uses mouse to paste!"
08:54 Calinou did someone actually say that?
08:54 Calinou seems insane
08:55 reactor No, that boiled down to that.
08:55 Calinou I never use middle mouse or Copy/Paste menus to paste
08:55 Calinou “boiled down”
08:55 Calinou I'd like proof then
08:55 reactor Okay, a second then.
08:55 Calinou because pissed off people like distorting the reality 8)
08:56 reactor https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gtk-​devel-list/2014-March/msg00062.html
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08:57 reactor Which reminds me, I should submit my patches. <_<
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09:12 MinetestBot PenguinDad: 08-14 04:37 UTC <Jordach> Mixing Savant - Mother Earth and Savant - Arcade Night Cruise is goddamn amazing
09:13 PenguinDad Hello everyone!
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09:19 Krock hi PenguinDad!
09:20 * Calinou puts Celestia on PenguinDad's head
09:23 * PenguinDad slowly wakes up
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09:24 * LemonLake slowly goes back to sleep
09:24 * Calinou puts Luna on LemonLake's head then
09:24 * LemonLake goes to sleep faster
09:33 * reactor hides a dozen alarm clocks in LemonLake's room
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10:01 jp .mts > .obj converter is for what ? cinematic ?
10:02 Krock that's to generate magic
10:02 jp magic ?
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10:04 Krock yes.
10:05 jp fous-toi de ma gueule...
10:06 Krock LOL, I've read "geule" -> Gäule -> Gaul -> Pferd -> Horse
10:07 Calinou jp, Blender renders
10:07 Calinou or exports
10:07 PenguinDad jp: that one is for 3d printing
10:07 Calinou someone wants to do 3D printing, that's why
10:08 jp ah ok thx
10:08 jp I thought for a cinematic intro
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10:11 MinetestBot Jordach: 08-16 12:20 UTC <Calinou> /)(^ε^)(\
10:12 Calinou can be used for that too
10:12 Calinou a Blender render can be animated
10:12 jp not for .obj
10:12 jp iirc
10:14 PenguinDad jp: but you have to provide proper texures if you want to use the obj files for that
10:14 jp sure
10:17 Calinou improved boats/hovers in Carbone to not depend on server step
10:17 Calinou increased gravity and jump height for easier pillaring
10:17 Calinou (feels better to)o
10:17 Calinou still lower than minetest_game
10:26 reactor Pillaring?
10:27 reactor You mean nerdpoling?
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10:29 Calinou lol
10:30 Jordach Calinou, y u make faces
10:30 Krock Calinou, not depend on server step? how that?
10:31 Krock everything depends on it
10:31 * Jordach hands Calinou a hot chicken mayo sub
10:31 Calinou Krock, using dtime
10:32 Krock !tell Calinou and dtime depends on server step
10:32 MinetestBot Krock: I'll pass that on when Calinou is around
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10:42 Jordach i need to stop buying this https://cdn.mediacru.sh/2zXTl2jGH1DV.jpg
10:43 PenguinDad Jordach: why?
10:43 Jordach PenguinDad, because it's nice with Rustler's Chicken Mayo (microwave) subs
10:44 Jordach (i either have energy drink for caffiene or coffee)
10:44 Jordach and ive started to slow down my intake of sugar (at one point i was 500% GDA for sugar)
10:45 MinetestBot GIT: Sapier at GMX dot net commited to minetest/minetest: Makefile support for build without leveldb f6e01ad 2014-08-16T12:28:07+02:00 http://git.io/sVjw-w
10:45 MinetestBot GIT: Sapier at GMX dot net commited to minetest/minetest: Add sqlite3 backend hack for android fa427d6 2014-08-16T12:28:07+02:00 http://git.io/-iCs5Q
10:54 MinetestBot GIT: Selat commited to minetest/minetest: Remove temporary file at safeWriteToFile() 5f1f115 2014-08-16T12:46:48+02:00 http://git.io/SgrQeA
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11:43 MinetestBot GIT: Sapier at GMX dot net commited to minetest/minetest: Fix inventory items blinking on item preloading ccf3985 2014-08-16T13:00:37+02:00 http://git.io/IFVZaQ
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12:09 nore I managed to get myself ignored by MinetestBot :(
12:15 Krock lol
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12:18 nore (I asked MinetestBot to compute 10**(10**100) :(...)
12:20 MinetestBot GIT: Sapier at GMX dot net commited to minetest/minetest: Revert "Fix inventory items blinking on item preloading" 0a57b5b 2014-08-16T14:18:33+02:00 http://git.io/fQ-fXw
12:23 PenguinDad wtf did github do with this pull? https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/1553
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12:45 ulla hi all pls can help me
12:45 ulla ?
12:46 raffahacks with?
12:46 ulla hi
12:46 ulla i have problem whit icons invisible in the minetest menu
12:47 ulla tyou can help ?
12:48 ulla you can a good mods for minetest 0.4.10?
12:49 ulla c'e' nessuno
12:49 MinetestBot GIT: maciej.kasatkin@o2.pl commited to minetest/minetest: Let lighting be done only CPU side. Remove finalColorBlend implementation from shaders. bf91d62 2014-08-16T14:48:52+02:00 http://git.io/uwmbNQ
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12:50 ulla thelp
12:50 raffahacks ci sono io
12:50 raffahacks sono italiano
12:50 ulla meno male
12:50 ulla sto impazzendo
12:50 ulla puoi aiutarmi
12:50 raffahacks non capisco cosa cerchi
12:51 raffahacks con?
12:52 ulla allora ho installato delle mod e ora alcuni oggetti risultano invisibili o colorati strani sulle icone nel menu se li seleziono pero' funzionano
12:52 raffahacks su che os sei?
12:52 ulla kubuntu
12:53 raffahacks prova a mettere l'inventario 2d nelle impostazioni
12:53 ulla da mine?
12:53 raffahacks si
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12:54 ulla esattamente in quale menu'
12:54 raffahacks to all this channel: sorry for speaking Italian ;)
12:54 ulla (sono nuovo in questo gioco perdona la noobbaggine)
12:54 raffahacks nella tab impostazioni sulla home
12:55 raffahacks anch'io sono abbastanza nuovo, mi piace perché va anche su pc vecchi ed é carino
12:55 ulla il mio e' in inglese "setting"
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12:55 raffahacks sì, lì
12:56 ulla ma non trovo nulla con 2d
12:57 raffahacks hmm... controllo
12:57 raffahacks forse flat inventory?
12:57 ulla che versione hai
12:57 ulla ?
12:57 Exio4 my italian is better than i thought!
12:57 raffahacks 0.4.9
12:58 ulla io4.0.10
12:58 raffahacks Exio4: lol
12:58 ulla 0.4.10
12:58 raffahacks guardo sul mio come si chiama
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12:59 raffahacks momento che si accende...
13:00 ulla lol ok
13:00 jp go to #minetest-it for italian
13:00 raffahacks oops il pc è morto e sono in giro
13:00 raffahacks jp: ok
13:00 ulla np
13:01 Exio4 do we have #minetest-it?
13:01 Exio4 TIL
13:01 raffahacks there's no minetest it
13:01 raffahacks the channel was created now
13:02 PenguinDad Minetest IT :D
13:02 jp there are minetest-fr / de / es / whatever
13:02 raffahacks np we invented it now ;)
13:02 Exio4 i know about -es and -de
13:02 Exio4 and guessed -fr too probably, because calinou is french
13:02 raffahacks where is 2d inventory?
13:03 jp I'm too, Exio4
13:04 raffahacks ?
13:04 ulla help pls
13:04 jp help about what ?
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13:05 raffahacks ulla finds half objects in inventory
13:05 raffahacks i remember i solved that problem using 2d inventory
13:05 jp please define "half objects" more precisely ?
13:05 raffahacks well, all objects, half images
13:06 jp ok
13:06 raffahacks i remember i had that problem, and solved using 2d inventory
13:06 jp inventory from a mod ?
13:06 ulla technic
13:06 raffahacks no
13:06 jp unified inventory ?
13:07 raffahacks technic sorry ;)
13:07 ulla pipework
13:07 raffahacks i thought he was thinking about unified
13:07 jp unified inventory is the the inventory from technic
13:07 raffahacks oops...
13:07 raffahacks sorry
13:08 jp there half images only from pipework stuff ?
13:09 raffahacks ulla: ^
13:10 ulla y
13:11 ulla confused immage or invisible in the menu but work in game
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13:13 ulla you want debug
13:14 ulla ?
13:14 jp Ask to VanessaE when you see her around
13:19 gerard I don't get how people can play singleplayer, bores me so quick
13:22 ulla http://pastebin.com/QGfGm5Va
13:25 PenguinDad I wonder if I should disable caves by default in my game :/
13:25 jp ulla : try update technic & pipeworks maybe
13:26 ulla how?
13:26 PenguinDad git pull is your friend
13:26 jp download & replac
13:26 jp e
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13:58 MinetestBot GIT: Sapier at GMX dot net commited to minetest/minetest: Make scrollbar scale according to DPI and scaling factor 4caa00c 2014-08-16T15:30:56+02:00 http://git.io/lLxZzg
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13:58 Drae Hi
13:59 Drae Brb
14:02 Drae Okay back
14:09 Drae Awkward silence
14:09 reactor Awkward silences usually mean the meeting should be terminated.
14:09 eugd there's not much happening
14:10 eugd -dev is active but inscrutable
14:11 Drae 0-0
14:14 Drae Cya later
14:15 VanessaE !tell Calinou that error isn't really an error, and you're seeing it because of an engine bug.  ignore it.
14:15 MinetestBot VanessaE: I'll pass that on when Calinou is around
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14:21 gerard VanessaE, I can't get his game to work?
14:22 PenguinDad gerard: what's the problem?
14:23 gerard Says "ERROR: ModError: Failed to load and run /home/gerard/.minetest/games/​carbone/mods/default/init.lua
14:23 gerard But the files are there :/
14:24 PenguinDad gerard: could you paste the full error from debug.txt to some pastebin like http://0bin.net/
14:25 gerard not actual pastebin? xD
14:26 PenguinDad This is an actual pastebin
14:26 gerard PenguinDad, http://goo.gl/m4tnwy
14:27 gerard Ok can't load texture no_screenshot.png ?
14:27 gerard Be back in 10mins i'll scroll up if you wanna reply now
14:29 Krock copypasta textures folder from github to your minetest folder
14:29 PenguinDad Krock: carbone isn't on github
14:29 Krock no_screenshot is
14:30 PenguinDad looks like you are missing the media files :/
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14:40 gerard whatdo?
14:41 gerard PenguinDad, ?
14:43 PenguinDad gerard: it looks like the server you are connecting to doesn't have the needed media files
14:43 gerard It's singleplayer
14:43 gerard ?
14:44 PenguinDad then you didn't paste the right error /:
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14:54 VanessaE gerard: carbone is not a mod.
14:55 VanessaE you need to put it in games, not mods
14:55 gerard It is
14:55 VanessaE no, it isn't:  " /home/gerard/.minetest/games/carbone/mods "
14:55 VanessaE oh wait.
14:55 PenguinDad lol
14:55 VanessaE derp, I can't read.
14:55 gerard hehe
14:55 Krock and other games work?
14:55 gerard Only got the game yesterday- havent tried yet
14:56 VanessaE gerard: maybe a permission issue?
14:56 Krock I mean (sub)games
14:56 VanessaE like, files not marked as readable to your normal user?
15:01 LemonLake Where be debug.txt?
15:04 LemonLake Also, I can't create a world.
15:04 LemonLake I press new, put in a name, select a game, then press create. But the singleplayer worlds menu is just blank
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15:08 VanessaE debug.txt is in the root of your minetest dir
15:08 VanessaE or in ~/.minetest
15:08 LemonLake both are incorrect
15:08 LemonLake but im rebuilding to see if it was a problem with a build
15:09 PenguinDad LemonLake: debug.txt usually gets created where you run minetest
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15:14 Krock debug.txt goes to the place where it got called from
15:14 Krock (where 'it' = minetest)
15:20 LemonLake omfg
15:20 LemonLake what is the deal with this image
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15:27 MinetestBot Calinou: 08-16 15:32 UTC <Krock> and dtime depends on server step
15:29 Calinou yes, exactly
15:29 MinetestBot Calinou: 08-16 19:15 UTC <VanessaE> that error isn't really an error, and you're seeing it because of an engine bug.  ignore it.
15:29 Calinou this way, boats and hovers behave the same regardless of server step
15:30 Calinou VanessaE, what is?
15:30 Calinou what error?
15:35 VanessaE Calinou: you posted a file not found regarding index.mth
15:35 VanessaE ignore it.
15:35 Calinou yeah
15:35 VanessaE also I fixed the server to not point to that dir, now it points to its own instead (should load faster)
15:35 Calinou someone griefed all my wheat farm 8) I replanted it
15:36 Calinou griefed = harvested but didn't replant
15:36 Calinou it's fine if you harvest and replant
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15:44 VanessaE someone was hungry :)P
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15:55 Nemin32 Hello everyone!
15:55 gerard Calinou, I get this error with Carbone? "ERROR: ModError: Failed to load and run /home/gerard/.minetest/games/​Carbone/modsdefault/init.lua
15:56 * Calinou upgrades Nemin32 to Nemin64
15:56 Nemin32 Lel
15:56 Calinou gerard, paste the nearby lines too
15:56 Calinou http://paste.ubuntu.com
15:56 Calinou on a pastebin like that one
15:57 gerard It just come up on the screen
15:57 Calinou look at the console
15:57 gerard ?
15:57 Calinou start Minetest in a terminal, if you don't have one
15:57 jp VanessaE : I'm hungry, http://i.imgur.com/W13pwKy.png  :P
15:57 Calinou open terminal, type “minetest” without the quotes
15:57 * Krock gives Nemin64 32-bit emulator
15:57 Nemin64 XD
15:58 gerard Aight
15:58 PenguinDad512 Krock1337: you ain't a pot!
15:58 Krock1337 I'm a flower pot!
15:58 Krock1337 ack. - Nickname is already in use. (FlowerPot)
15:59 gerard Calinou, http://0paste.com/6200
16:00 PenguinDad512 !c math.log(512, 2)
16:00 MinetestBot 9.0
16:00 Nemin32 How can i check if a player holds a stone axe? I tried: local item_name = player:get_wielded_item():get_name() | if item_name == "default:axe_stone" ... end
16:00 Krock gerard departieu
16:00 gerard Eh?
16:00 Krock or so
16:01 PenguinDad Krock: let's go to russia!
16:01 Krock oh yeah. let's meat fladimir put-in
16:02 Krock http://i.imgur.com/qtQro.gif
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16:04 PenguinDad lol http://i.imgur.com/SPRyE5X.jpg
16:05 Krock lol http://is.gd/kD5iZa
16:05 Nemin32 Can you please help me? I cant check the players inventory
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16:06 gerard Calinou, any idea?
16:06 Krock Nemin32, explain your problem
16:06 Krock lol those shoes http://i.imgur.com/B1iYi.gif
16:06 Nemin32 So, i try to get when a player holds a stone axe, he can use the Timber mods full tree chop, else he only breaks one block.
16:07 * PenguinDad made a mod for breaking one block
16:08 Krock Nemin32, pastebin coming
16:08 Krock http://pastebin.com/WEMiQWfi
16:08 Nemin32 Krock: However, it gives me an error, when i check the players name, it says it a global reference nil
16:08 Krock that one defiitely works
16:10 Nemin32 Krock: It gives this error when:local player = get_player_name() | 18:07:50: ERROR[main]: C:\minetest-0.4.10\bin\..\mod​s\sajat\checkitem\init.lua:1 : attempt to call global 'get_player_name' (a nil value)
16:11 Krock Nemin32, where does the player object come from?
16:11 Calinou gerard, use up-to-date Minetest version
16:11 Calinou get Git, compile it yourself, or use a daily build.
16:11 Nemin32 Krock: What do you mean?
16:12 Krock Nemin32, \init.lua:1 : attempt to call
16:12 Calinou https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=3&amp;t=3837
16:12 Krock lines 1... ersiously
16:12 Krock *s
16:12 Nemin32 Krock: local player = get_player_name()
16:12 Krock Nemin32, know code snippets? insert them where it's good
16:13 Krock "player" isn't defined everywhere
16:13 PenguinDad Nemin32: you need a player object to use get_player_name()
16:13 sfan5 !seen ispn
16:13 MinetestBot sfan5: ispn was last seen at 2014-08-16 03:46:19 UTC on #minetest
16:13 Nemin32 Uhh, then what need i write?
16:13 Krock Nemin32, when the player dug a thing, right?
16:13 Nemin32 Yep
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16:14 MinetestBot ispn: 08-16 13:06 UTC <sfan5> I won't be available most of today.
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16:14 sfan5 oh
16:14 sfan5 what a coindindence (?)
16:14 PenguinDad Hey ispn!
16:14 sfan5 ispn: I just got back
16:15 gerard Calinou, didn't realise the Software Centre wasn't up to date
16:15 ispn Hi all
16:16 ispn sfan5: heh sorry for late coming. Minetest -_-
16:16 Calinou hi artist
16:16 sfan5 no need to be sorry
16:16 * Calinou throws money on floor
16:16 Nemin32 I still dont know what is the problem
16:16 * PenguinDad smells the money
16:17 * Nemin32 is worried, because the code gives errors.
16:17 * Krock slaps Nemin32 with http://pastebin.com/ejN5grdu
16:17 Calinou you should use something else than pastebin.com
16:17 * Krock gives Nemin32 a ')' at the end
16:17 sfan5 ispn: I created a github repo: https://github.com/sfan5/mt2obj
16:18 * Nemin32 sees the Paste and feels like an idiot.
16:18 Krock sfan5, 1) what's it good for? 2) Lines 20-22 in the main file
16:19 sfan5 Krock: 1) converts a minetest schematic into an .obj file you can import into Blender 2) oops, I was in a hurry
16:19 PenguinDad Krock: you can convert mts files to obj files with that script
16:19 Krock k
16:20 Krock PenguinDad, yeah that's clear but I didn't know what's it used for
16:20 sfan5 Krock: '...you can import into Blender'
16:21 Krock > ar but I didn't know what'
16:21 sfan5 Krock: https://mediacru.sh/uepmpA4owU5q
16:21 Krock past sentence
16:21 ispn sfan5: I'll link that on a few mailing lists, maybe add blender import functionality when time allows. It doesn't seem very complicated to do, but will have to research a lot of stuff :/
16:21 Krock MEOW
16:21 * PenguinDad throws tar at Krock
16:22 * Krock gives PenguinDad LZMA
16:22 sfan5 PenguinDad: tar or /usr/bin/tar?
16:22 PenguinDad the latter one
16:22 ispn Krock: http://i.imgur.com/8ciRhTP.png what is this editor you are using?
16:22 Krock ispn, that's a C# program, handcrafted
16:22 Krock well, I used the minetest perlin noise for it
16:23 PenguinDad eeew c#
16:23 Krock C# is like a sandbox where you can program fast cool stuff. for serius thinggs, I'd better use C(++)
16:24 ispn Krock: Did you make it available anywhere?
16:24 Krock ispn, nope.avi and it's not MGv6 you see there
16:24 sfan5 Calinou: your turn, tell Krock that .NET / C# is bad because Microsoft
16:24 Krock aagh Everybody againse me and I against everybody :(
16:24 Exio4 not just that
16:26 sfan5 ooh
16:26 * sfan5 meows at Exio4
16:26 * Krock looks shy at Exio4
16:27 Calinou not because Microsoft
16:27 Calinou but because of patent issues
16:27 Calinou there's Mono
16:27 CaveJohnson wat
16:27 CaveJohnson .NET wars?
16:27 Calinou similar to Java
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16:27 reactor BASIC
16:27 CaveJohnson it's funny how they open sourced the compiler, but not the damn runtime
16:27 CaveJohnson ;-;
16:28 Calinou this is Microsoft…
16:28 Krock so. "nothing goes over eating"
16:28 Exio4 microsoft isn't just 100% assholes anyway
16:28 Exio4 look at GHC!
16:29 Nemin32 Hmm, hmm its nearly complete however stack == "default:axe_stone" is still not working -.-
16:29 reactor NVIDIA aren't complete assholes either.
16:29 reactor Both still _are_ assholes.
16:29 Calinou “Any company does great and terrible stuff”
16:29 VanessaE Nemin32: because it's not default:axe_stone
16:29 CaveJohnson Calinou: yeah, but it was rather... weird to not open source the runtime, but open source the compiler
16:30 CaveJohnson also i should play MT more.
16:30 VanessaE Nemin32: I believe the item name is default:tool_stoneaxe or something
16:30 ispn GHC? Gorgeous Horny Chics and 'microsoft' aren't exactly the words I'd expect to fin in near proximity.
16:30 CaveJohnson but yeah
16:30 CaveJohnson 'tis MS ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
16:30 Nemin32 VanessaE: Uhh, ok thanks.
16:30 Calinou CaveJohnson, GitHub uses an “Open Source almost everything” policy
16:30 ispn I always wondered why they didn't at least call the company Macrohard
16:30 Calinou their backend is nowhere to be found
16:30 CaveJohnson huh
16:30 CaveJohnson never thought of it like that o.o
16:31 reactor ispn: erectile dysfunction.
16:31 Nemin32 VanessaE: So i giveme default:axe_stone, but the item name is default:tool_stoneaxe?
16:31 CaveJohnson but then again, are microsoft gaining any money by keeping the runtime closed-source?
16:31 Calinou TPW made a post about it
16:31 Calinou CaveJohnson, no
16:31 Calinou this is typical proprietary idiocracy
16:31 CaveJohnson thought as much
16:31 Calinou if people weren't stupid, most software would be free already
16:31 CaveJohnson Calinou: i was always annoyed at people keeping things free, but not open sourcing them
16:31 Calinou yes
16:31 CaveJohnson WHAT IS THE POINT!? D:
16:31 reactor CaveJohnson: that's how you embrace.
16:31 VanessaE Nemin32: oh, well I guess that IS the item name then :)
16:31 reactor Then you extend and extinguish.
16:31 Exio4 example: OECake
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16:32 CaveJohnson reactor: ?
16:32 Calinou idiocracy, aliased by “secret sauce”, “we don't want to see people monetizing on our work”, “but I code like a foot”
16:32 CaveJohnson Exio4: oh wow
16:32 CaveJohnson i remember oecake o.o
16:32 CaveJohnson anyway brb
16:32 sfan5 Calinou: how does a foot code?
16:32 Calinou I don't know
16:32 reactor CaveJohnson: your tool is free, people use it, like it. Then you make some features non-free...
16:32 Calinou that's what Gitlab's been doing, reactor 8)
16:32 CaveJohnson ah, i see, reactor
16:33 Calinou they sell proprietary addons
16:33 CaveJohnson Calinou: i was quite disappointed with GitLab for doing that :(
16:33 CaveJohnson so i moved to gitolite
16:33 reactor Or make extensions to the standards that tool relies upon, so that somethign created in it is not compatible with standard programs anymore.
16:33 CaveJohnson tbh cgit + gitolite is <3
16:33 CaveJohnson all GPL
16:33 reactor And enable the "new features" by default, so that users aren't aware of that at first.
16:34 Calinou Gitorious
16:34 Calinou AGPL 3
16:34 ispn Blendercookie is selling a proprietary addon for Blender. Remesher of sorts.
16:34 Calinou <CaveJohnson> Calinou: i was quite disappointed with GitLab for doing that :(
16:34 Calinou you're disappointed of that?
16:34 CaveJohnson i heard that's a real pain to install, Calinou
16:34 Calinou really?
16:34 CaveJohnson Calinou: ???
16:34 Calinou ispn, oh that's very frequent, but they have to comply with the GPL
16:34 Nemin32 Woo! Thanks its working now!
16:34 Calinou <reactor> Or make extensions to the standards that tool relies upon, so that somethign created in it is not compatible with standard programs anymore.
16:34 Calinou this is somehow what Adobe did with PDF
16:35 CaveJohnson Calinou: i don't understand :P
16:35 Calinou the extensions like forms, 3D… are poorly supported in free PDF readers
16:35 ispn Calinou: I know that Migius is selling his cad4arch package for a fee too, but plans to release once dev costs got returned.
16:35 Calinou CaveJohnson, well, you're fine with playing a game that charges you 20 € and never lets you see its source code
16:35 Calinou ispn, they don't comply with GPL → tell the Blender Foundation about it, they'll be happy
16:36 Nemin32 Should i post into the forums my fork of New Timber where you can only chop the full tree with axes?
16:36 ispn Calinou: I heard that BF doesn't mind if you close source games based on BGE as long as you pay them a fee.
16:36 Calinou maybe they sell exceptions
16:36 CaveJohnson Calinou: i was talking about https://about.gitlab.com/gitlab-ee/
16:36 Calinou but unlikely for plugins
16:37 Calinou the BGE is barely used on public projects, it's mostly prototyping, it'll be phased out for simulation usage
16:37 ispn Calinou: they can't sell exceptions due to GPL's self-propagation
16:37 Calinou that's calling selling an exception
16:37 Calinou if you let someone violate the GPL in exchange of money
16:37 CaveJohnson the enterprise edition of GitLab, I prefer for previously fully open source applications to stay that way
16:37 Calinou “It contains copyrighted code”
16:37 Calinou the free version is also copyrighted
16:37 ispn Calinou: they can't sell something they don't own, and that's the case with a lot of code for BGE.
16:38 Calinou can people stop using “copyrighted” like that?
16:38 Calinou ispn, I'm sure there's a CLA
16:38 CaveJohnson Calinou: It contains copyrighted code that requires you to have a valid subscription.
16:38 Calinou like most big projects
16:38 CaveJohnson ^ meant to be quoted, oops
16:38 Calinou they use “copyrighted” to mean “non-free”
16:38 CaveJohnson and yeah, kinda a misuse of it
16:38 ispn This stuff is all pretty complex, and no one knows right now how to move in this area.
16:38 Calinou also, by that logic, you should probably refuse to use IntelliJ idea, PyCharm…
16:39 gerard crazy OpenSource people aha
16:39 Calinou we're not crazy
16:39 Calinou keep smoking mint…
16:39 CaveJohnson gerard: pls
16:39 ispn Corportations and firms stay off FLOSS on one side, and on the other - embrace it (libreoffice, but I heard of huge banking firm using floss solutions in Japan)
16:40 CaveJohnson Calinou: oh i see what you meant (i misread things), i'm fine with closed-source games, since they take a lot to develop, understandably gitlab also took as long, but it was previously open source
16:40 CaveJohnson sure they still maintain the open source version, but not as much most likely
16:40 CaveJohnson due to the enterprise edition
16:40 reactor Instead of doing compatibility kludges (like LibreOffice), why not make document convertors?
16:40 Calinou what takes long in a game is mostly the art
16:40 Calinou on AAA games
16:40 ispn Userbase is unwilling to pay for stuff to get developed, and I loathe that, especialy that lemmings pour in onto software projects on Kickstarter
16:40 CaveJohnson (sorry for sounding hypocritical previously ;-;)
16:40 Calinou reactor, harder to use
16:40 reactor So that you can edit stuff in your favourite editor without having to use that terrible GUI.
16:40 Exio4 i prefer opensource stuff mainly because curiosity,
16:41 Exio4 "oh, this is doing this weird thing, how did they implement this?"
16:41 Calinou <ispn> Userbase is unwilling to pay for stuff to get developed, and I loathe that, especialy that lemmings pour in onto software projects on Kickstarter
16:41 Calinou a lemming is an idiot, by definition
16:41 Calinou I laugh at the Oculus backers
16:41 CaveJohnson oooooooooh, dear
16:41 CaveJohnson oculus :(
16:41 PenguinDad Opensource mars rover?
16:41 Calinou already exists, PenguinDad: http://stuntrally.github.io/cars/?id=UV&amp;v=1 :p
16:41 Calinou ispn, money angers everyone
16:41 Calinou it's one of the 3 goals of life
16:42 Calinou so, the less money involved, the better it is
16:42 ispn Calinou: oh, that was a strategic decision. Without backing, they would got eaten by Sony and Samsung soon. I hate what they did, but it may have been a necessity.
16:42 ispn Calinou: same with Makerbot, but that was particularly shitty, kicking Zach out and then taking over the company to sell it.
16:42 Calinou Makerbot is basically backstabbing a friend
16:43 Exio4 welcome to the new century!
16:43 * CaveJohnson backstabs Exio4
16:43 CaveJohnson \;D/
16:43 ispn Calinou: Not the money. Money buys you food and technology, Without money we wouldn't have present technology.
16:43 Calinou contrary to common belief, being poor doesn't result in dying from hunger.
16:43 Exio4 CaveJohnson, i'm a poor guy
16:44 Calinou ^ this statement is backed by the CEO of Google
16:44 ispn Calinou: It's the behaviour that tries to secure MOST MONEY, that tries to make companies dominating on the market so they can reap most revenue.
16:44 ispn This is shitty
16:44 Calinou indeed
16:44 Calinou goal of life, goal of life.
16:44 Exio4 Calinou, i think your definition of poor isn't right
16:44 ispn Especially that this money goes for shit most of the time.
16:44 reactor Money is means not a goal.
16:44 Calinou 90 % of money is used for shit
16:44 Exio4 by the 10%
16:45 ispn Blender Foundation had around 4K Euro for monthly dev budget last I've seen, and fucking look at what they can pull off with that.
16:45 asl money have zero value in nature,  the value of money is only in our minds
16:45 reactor Well, for some it is a goal.
16:45 ispn Corporations are very inefficient in money spending, FLOSS has absolutely awesome efficiency, and it's decentralized, and obeys free market laws.
16:45 reactor Collect it and sit on their moneybags forever, and not invest in anything.
16:45 ispn I just wish lemmings were smarter
16:46 Calinou pingus are smarter!
16:46 reactor Lemmings dream exactly of that ^
16:46 Calinou (it's a free/libre Lemmings “clone” :P)
16:46 ispn Naah, lemmings dream of a cliff from which they can fly towards the sunset :P
16:47 PenguinDad Pingus I loved that game when I was ~6 years old
16:47 Exio4 i don't remember what i did when i was six years old :(
16:48 reactor ispn: the more expensive that cliff is the more desirable to them.
16:48 Exio4 i only remember the first flash game i ever played
16:48 reactor "I'm gonna jump from a more expensive cliff than you ever are"
16:52 ispn ok, nice ideological ride, but now going back to work :] Aim is 3d prints on Monday, will post in thread.
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16:54 EvergreenTree sfan5: Your mts to mesh exporter is awesome!
16:54 EvergreenTree :3
16:54 sfan5 EvergreenTree: I know :3
16:55 EvergreenTree Also, if you want to add a texture to a block in blender, it changes all blocks of the same type
16:55 EvergreenTree so no manual texture changing
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16:55 sfan5 EvergreenTree: I'm working on that
16:56 EvergreenTree Oh, nice
16:56 ispn sfan5: Wheeee :D
16:56 EvergreenTree Oh hi ispn
16:56 EvergreenTree (or spin)
16:56 EvergreenTree I was just doing some good 'ol partitioning on my laptop
16:56 EvergreenTree got a new 128gb ssd
16:56 ispn EvergreenTree: Hi!
16:56 EvergreenTree made a backup of the old hdd with clonezilla
16:57 EvergreenTree then had to manually remove the linux swap, resize the main partition, and recreate the swap
16:57 EvergreenTree But it works now
16:57 EvergreenTree :D
16:58 reactor how about dump/restore?
16:59 EvergreenTree Oh, I had to restore it to the ssd without any changes to the original partitions
16:59 EvergreenTree then I did the partitioning
16:59 EvergreenTree with gparted live
16:59 reactor I mean, man 1 dump, man 1 restore.
16:59 reactor But no, they gotta reinvent bicycles.
17:00 EvergreenTree It works okay, so I use it
17:00 EvergreenTree :P
17:00 EvergreenTree I use that motto for a lot of things
17:00 * reactor cranks up the chainsaw.
17:01 EvergreenTree OH not again...
17:01 * EvergreenTree hides
17:03 Exio4 i wonder how could a tree hide from a chainsaw
17:03 reactor You see that, too?!
17:03 EvergreenTree /hide
17:03 EvergreenTree I mean: //hide
17:03 EvergreenTree :P
17:03 reactor Oh, and how is //hide any shorter than /me hides?
17:04 SylvieLorxu reactor: By 4 characters
17:04 reactor Pff.
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17:04 rubenwardy Hi all!
17:04 PenguinDad /pos1; //pos2; //hide
17:04 PenguinDad *//pos1
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17:04 EvergreenTree PenguinDad: exactly
17:04 reactor //1 //2 //set fire
17:05 EvergreenTree Oh come on
17:05 Calinou <Calinou> <EvergreenTree> got a new 128gb ssd
17:05 EvergreenTree I am fire resistant
17:05 Calinou <Calinou> that in 2014? meh
17:05 Calinou <Calinou> 256 GB is very cheap
17:05 EvergreenTree Calinou: Because I don't need any more then that
17:05 reactor That'd be nice for static data eh.
17:05 Exio4 a 128gb ssd is already expensive shit
17:06 EvergreenTree and it is cheaper then 256gb
17:06 reactor /, /usr and... media library maybe?
17:06 EvergreenTree It's on my laptop that I don't use for storing a lot of stuff, so it doesn't matter that much
17:07 EvergreenTree I currently have a 500gb drive on this machine
17:07 EvergreenTree and it's more than enough
17:07 EvergreenTree I don't have a media library, or a lot of video, so I don't need tons of space
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17:07 EvergreenTree I do have a 1tb external hard drive for backups and stuff
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17:08 MinetestBot BlockMen: 08-10 21:31 UTC <sfan5> what do you think about https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/pull/294 ?
17:08 sfan5 lol
17:09 EvergreenTree I also got a Coolermaster 212 Evo heat sink
17:09 EvergreenTree It certainly is better then that stock amd heat sink
17:09 Exio4 1tb WD blue is 850 ARS, a 128gb SSD is 1100~ at least
17:09 BlockMen do they have any useage currently, sfan5?
17:09 BlockMen like treasures?
17:09 sfan5 not yet
17:09 sfan5 but adding treasures would be awesome
17:09 BlockMen well, im not for it, but i wont block either
17:10 BlockMen talk with nore about it
17:10 nore hm?
17:10 BlockMen nore: https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/pull/294
17:10 nore sfan5, BlockMen, thoughts on #301 btw?
17:10 jp BlockMen : why 'default_plus' has not been merged in neXt ?
17:11 nore About dungeons: yes, good idea
17:11 sfan5 nore: I dunno, still busy btw
17:11 nore mobs and treasures could be added later
17:11 PenguinDad jp: default_plus?
17:11 nore but for now just enable them :)
17:11 jp https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=6033
17:11 EvergreenTree Treasures would be awesome
17:12 Exio4 256gb is 2k ARS
17:12 Exio4 256gb SSD == 2tb WD black
17:12 nore (btw, are jungles enabled by default?)
17:12 BlockMen jp, water/lava sound and particels are buggy
17:12 Exio4 or 3tb WD red, etc
17:12 jp ok
17:12 BlockMen semi transparent glass aswell
17:12 jp the cactus picks & the glass were fine
17:12 BlockMen hardened clay make ppl scream "MC" again
17:12 BlockMen same with cactus picks
17:13 BlockMen and apple decay is added to game long time ago already
17:13 jp ah yeah, I forgot than there is some aversion against MC here... ;)
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17:16 Calinou <EvergreenTree> It certainly is better then that stock amd heat sink
17:16 Calinou stock heatsinks are crap
17:16 PenguinDad I found the perfect main menu song :> https://soundcloud.com/dubstep/xkore-end-​of-the-line-ft-messinian-edmcom-premiere
17:16 Calinou only use for the slowest CPUs
17:16 EvergreenTree Calinou: I figured it was
17:16 Calinou this applies to graphic cards too
17:17 EvergreenTree PenguinDad: that would be interesting
17:17 EvergreenTree :P
17:18 Exio4 Calinou, buy me a good one then
17:18 EvergreenTree Calinou: You can't replace heat sinks on graphics cards right?
17:18 EvergreenTree or at least fans
17:18 Exio4 you say random bullshit like buying a "new heatsink" was a cheap thing you do it every week
17:19 EvergreenTree No, it's rare that I do stuff like this
17:19 rubenwardy PenguinDad, no. no. NO.
17:19 EvergreenTree rubenwardy: He was joking
17:19 EvergreenTree :P
17:19 rubenwardy Yeah, I realised
17:19 Exio4 yeah, we all know the stock crap is shit, some people doesn't have the money to buy better things though!
17:19 PenguinDad rubenwardy: I was joking ofc
17:20 Exio4 i'm using my system without harddisk because i don't have money for a raid 1 eh
17:20 Exio4 i could buy a noname shitty harddisk though!
17:20 Exio4 i would need to buy a new one before the december though
17:20 Calinou <EvergreenTree> Calinou: You can't replace heat sinks on graphics cards right?
17:20 Calinou buy one with a custom cooler
17:20 Calinou that's what I meant
17:20 EvergreenTree oh
17:21 Calinou ASUS, MSI, Gigabyte… they all have good ones, depending on cards: read hardware reviews to know temperatures and noise
17:21 Calinou in general, lower-end cards make less noise
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17:21 EvergreenTree I have an XFX card
17:21 EvergreenTree radeon 7750
17:21 EvergreenTree I couldn't afford anything better
17:22 Calinou lol
17:22 Calinou 7750 with 1 GB or 2 GB?
17:22 Calinou the 2 GB one should be burned
17:22 Calinou it has DDR3 instead of GDDR5
17:22 Calinou 5 % cheaper, 35 % slower!
17:22 Calinou lamefun would love it.
17:27 EvergreenTree 1GB
17:27 EvergreenTree lol, lamefun
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17:44 ispn eh. //hollowsphere 100 Diamond Block. There goes my weekend :]
17:45 EvergreenTree worldedit is awesome, is it not?
17:45 EvergreenTree There is a worldedit gui as well
17:45 ispn EvergreenTree: how do I into gui?
17:45 Calinou WorldEdit GUI is mostly pointless :/
17:45 EvergreenTree did you get worldedit from the github repository
17:46 EvergreenTree Calinou: yeah, but it is helpful sometimes
17:46 Calinou it's not included in Carbone for that reason
17:46 ispn I've got a culture shock atm, I realized I can set fire to things, and that lava in contact with water turns into stone. I had a really olde version of minetest installed :3
17:46 EvergreenTree https://github.com/Uberi/Minetest-WorldEdit
17:46 EvergreenTree What version do you have now?
17:46 ispn latest
17:46 EvergreenTree 0.4.10 includes tons of new stuff
17:47 ispn stable
17:47 Calinou use latest Git
17:47 Calinou ideally
17:47 EvergreenTree including a revamped minetest game
17:47 Calinou performance improvements, etc
17:47 ispn EvergreenTree: ok, I see it now.
17:48 ispn Calinou: naah, I need good enough. Still much work to get it running the way I want to, mostly workflow testing.
17:48 ispn Calinou: I have to write a lesson plan for it for tuesday, no time for fun now :P
17:49 Calinou on Debian/Ubuntu there's a script for quick install
17:49 EvergreenTree he uses windows
17:49 EvergreenTree afaik
17:49 EvergreenTree gtg
17:50 ispn EvergreenTree: I use both, preferably linux, but have to do windows due to work
17:50 ispn computers hurt without dwm and terminal :(
17:51 Calinou yeah
17:51 ispn Calinou: one issue I have with linux is that applications branch away into .directories in home folder instead of getting neatly contained in folders, preferably with dependencies and stuff.
17:51 Calinou Windows needs a lot of programs to be useful 8)
17:51 Calinou ispn, ~/.config and ~/.local are SUPPOSED to be used by applications
17:52 Calinou but celeron55 goes like “it's moving clutter, not removing it, let's fuck standards once again”
17:52 Calinou the attitude of not respecting standards (XDG) really annoys me
17:52 Calinou anyway, you're not supposed to show hidden directories by default
17:53 ispn Calinou: I prefer when an application constrains itself to its folder. I mean, seriously, I'm this close to running everything in VMs so I have to move around only a single file when reinstalling shits or migrating or stuff >:O
17:53 Calinou you can set Minetest to run in place, for portable use
17:54 ispn Calinou: windoze has  a portal called portableapps which is brilliant
17:54 Calinou it does so on Windows by default…
17:54 ispn Calinou: yes, I see, on Windows now, it's rad.
17:54 Calinou it has lots of downsides
17:55 ispn Calinou: mostly downsides
17:55 Exio4 i don't use run in place because i like having ~/.minetest for all my builds
17:55 Exio4 a shared*
17:55 ispn but I use whatever works at the moment. When I have shittons of tabs open for a certain project, swapping it all to linux would take me unnecessary time.
17:56 ispn In the bright future when I have time, I wanna do an LFS install, or perhaps wait for something cool, like that super-secure-OS that lady dev was developing some time ago, can't recall the name. Hell, dwm has more plugins than I can contain, and most are awesome.
17:57 Calinou I was talking about run-in-place
17:57 rubenwardy I use a run in place version of Minetest
17:58 ispn hm, getting all stuff on VMs doesn't seem like such a bad idea, I could throw them around on an usb stick between systems and machines, huhuhuhuhu. also backups of mails and firefox tabs in shots... hmmmm.
17:58 Calinou “like that super-secure-OS that lady dev was developing some time ago, can't recall the name” uh
17:58 Calinou it's not like GNU/Linux is insecure
17:58 rubenwardy secure as in anti-NSA?
17:58 ispn Calinou: can't rememebr the name, all processes were ran in individual VMs, it was something super strange and super secure.
17:58 Calinou distribution is the smallest of your problems when it comes to security
17:58 Calinou Qubes OS?
17:58 Calinou well, have fun finding users of that
17:59 Exio4 all i know is that it has a Q.... ok damn you Calinou
17:59 Exio4 Calinou, linux has the 2% of the users!
17:59 Exio4 have fun finding users of that!
18:00 ispn Calinou: yeah, I know, I use whatever :) Nothing is secure these days.
18:00 Exio4 Maybe
18:00 ispn Calinou: the most important thing is to get stuff done, how, where, when, is all secondary.
18:01 Calinou I don't believe in that
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18:01 Calinou it's like saying “I'm OK with eating insects, as long as I stay alive”
18:01 ispn exactly
18:01 ispn it takes some time to get used to, but after the first month, you're OK.
18:01 Exio4 Main: out of memory (requested 2097152 bytes)
18:02 Exio4 what the fuck happened
18:02 SylvieLorxu <ispn> Nothing is secure these days
18:02 SylvieLorxu W-what?
18:02 Calinou Tox 8)
18:02 ispn SylvieLorxu: automated-script-secure - maybe, but targeted by adversary with resources? forget it.
18:03 SylvieLorxu ispn: Depends on how many resources. High-quality crypto can cause serious issues for adversaries with resources
18:04 Exio4 well, i let my app be alive for 10 seconds and it ate a few gbs of ram..
18:04 Exio4 i don't think that is good...
18:04 SylvieLorxu Exio4: You may have a memory leak
18:04 Calinou except that 99.9 % of attacks are resourceless
18:04 Exio4 i don't think it is a memory leak but infinite recursion SylvieLorxu
18:05 SylvieLorxu Oh, infinite recursion, always fun
18:05 Exio4 parsing "a=2"
18:05 Exio4 can't take _that_ much :P
18:08 Exio4 300mb of ram per second!
18:10 * PenguinDad calls the oom killer
18:10 LemonLake Quest chin about HTTP requests.
18:10 LemonLake Since you guys know stuff.
18:11 LemonLake If a request looks like this: 55\n text \n0 how would I select the text without the lines containing '55' and '0'
18:16 sfan5 ispn: custom model support incoming
18:16 sfan5 LemonLake: select from before the 0 (on it's line) to after the 55 (on it's line)
18:16 LemonLake that's logical, but what if it was a different response?
18:16 LemonLake is there a regex to select lines that do not contain just numbers?
18:17 sfan5 of that select
18:18 sfan5 | egrep -v '^[0-9]+$'
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18:30 meldrian hello everybody (, clap your hands)
18:30 Calinou no server runs Carbone on http://servers.minetest.net/
18:30 Calinou :(
18:30 * BlockMen claps meldrian
18:30 BlockMen :P
18:30 meldrian Is someone around who can tell me why the integrated mod-downloader isn't working right now?
18:31 meldrian thx BlockMen ^^
18:32 Calinou moddb is down, meldrian
18:32 Calinou it was totally a fail anyway
18:32 Sokomine calinou: what about trainwrecktonys server? i thought that runs carbone?
18:33 Sokomine calinou: hmpf :-( hope at least the pictures stay...i still have to update threads where pictures got lost twice already
18:33 meldrian It was/is a nice feature for non-expierenced users imho
18:33 Calinou it does, but outdated fork
18:34 Sokomine that's right, meldrian. unfortionately, only very few mods where ever added because it was a lot of extra work for the modders
18:34 Calinou I've added More Blocks once, was very outdated
18:34 Calinou couldn't set license as zlib
18:39 ispn sfan5: watching the git repo
18:39 sfan5 :)
18:40 * Sokomine hopes that sfan5 will update his check-posting-script so that it can enter mods automaticly. that'd help a lot!
18:40 Calinou check-posting?
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18:41 PenguinDad minetest_game has slaps :D
18:42 Sokomine his script that complains if liscense or dependency are missing
18:42 Calinou does it work for phpBB?
18:42 Calinou he said it doesn't work for phpBB
18:43 Sokomine i hope he'll update it
18:43 BlockMen PenguinDad, slaps > slabs :P
18:44 Sokomine i've tried to manually put all released mods into categories, but it's an awful lot of work :-( guess i'll have to write a script in order to get suitable entries for the wiki automaticly so that it's a single cut&paste...
18:44 Sokomine or perhaps a completely automatic process. hmm
18:44 Nemin32 Would someone please check on my first mod? https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=9&amp;t=9937 Thank you!
18:45 Calinou it's Mod, not MOD
18:45 Calinou don't use size smaller than 50
18:45 Calinou 75 at least
18:46 Calinou fixed and moved :)
18:47 BlockMen Sokomine, why adding all mods to wiki at all?
18:48 Calinou because MediaWiki is way better for documentation than using a forum which can't do crafting recipes.
18:48 Flipsels How to get the wood for the axe shafts @Nemin32?
18:48 PenguinDad Someone should really fix farming in minetest_game
18:49 Calinou what's wrong?
18:49 Calinou digging plants is slow, that's due to default tools :(
18:49 Nemin32 Calinou: Ok, thanks
18:49 PenguinDad Calinou: the game hangs due to some abms
18:50 Calinou doesn't happen here
18:51 BlockMen Calinou, that can be an option for mods that have many, many items/crafting recipes. But for most mods out there its just not necessary and useless maintenance.
18:51 BlockMen Furthermore the chances to have outdated wiki is very high
18:52 Sokomine blockmen: currently, people have a chance of slightly above zero to accidently find mods they might be intrested in. that's bad. we need a bit more overview
18:52 Sokomine a way to locate mods by what they do. instead of having to know in advance which mods exist and using google
18:53 sfan5 Sokomine: psst.. interested not intrested
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18:53 * sfan5 images some ints resting (= intresting)
18:53 sfan5 imagines*
18:53 LemonLake Oops.
18:53 BlockMen Sokomine, having an maintained "Mod Releases" section is the better option then
18:54 Sokomine *g* ints ought to have the right to rest sometimes as well, yes :) though floats are not allowed to! those have to float constantly :-)
18:54 LemonLake I may have just scared away the lead developer of Bread Hunter.
18:54 sfan5 :)
18:54 sfan5 :D
18:54 Sokomine blockmen: too many mods, no structure at all
18:55 BlockMen if you add all mods to wiki you have that many mods aswell
18:55 BlockMen and it shouldnt be too hard for user to browse through topics
18:55 Sokomine perhaps we *might* do by introducing some categories, listing them in the forum thread, and then automaticly creating overview pages on that base
18:55 BlockMen and click the topic that looks interesting to them
18:56 Sokomine and after how many pages will they stop and ignore mods posted before yesterday? that's the problem
18:56 PenguinDad LemonLake: Bread Hunter?
18:56 Sokomine usually, people are after something and wish for a certain functionality. they may imagine that under a diffrent name
18:56 LemonLake A game I'm helping with.
18:56 Sokomine right now, it's very hard to find mods
18:56 LemonLake Co-dev.
18:56 LemonLake He returned now.
18:56 LemonLake [19:55:39] Hagrid: you confused me so hard...
18:56 LemonLake [19:55:43] Hagrid: I had to evacuate myself.
18:58 sfan5 LemonLake: y u do dis?
18:58 LemonLake y i do wat?
18:58 BlockMen Sokomine, IMO its not, but well, ppl have different opinions. but im kinda sure we will have soon outdated wiki pages because noone wants/has the time to maintain that
18:59 BlockMen and then you have won nothing
18:59 sfan5 LemonLake: confuse ppl
18:59 LemonLake idk
18:59 LemonLake we were adding a marquee to the main menu
18:59 Calinou <BlockMen> Furthermore the chances to have outdated wiki is very high
18:59 Calinou the mod topic can be outdated to
18:59 Calinou see More Blocks
18:59 LemonLake and because he was restarting the client so much due to menu editing, i changed it to multiple things each time he started.
18:59 LemonLake then i changed it to the font name, and he was so fucking done.
18:59 LemonLake (i was teamviewing)
19:00 LemonLake last thing I saw was 'Shutting down'
19:00 Calinou Teamviewer :(
19:00 BlockMen Calinou, the problem with wiki is, that you will have different information then and ppl rely on those oudated wiki informations
19:01 Calinou not necessarily
19:01 Calinou the mod author can maintain it
19:01 BlockMen and concerning forum topics, the moderators should move outdated topics to old mods
19:01 Calinou we're not Wikipedia
19:01 Calinou we won't make cases of COI in case mod author creates the wiki page
19:01 BlockMen what. you want modders to maintain the double amout now?
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19:04 Calinou they don't have to maintain it on the forum
19:04 Calinou they maintain it on the wiki instead
19:04 Calinou and put a link
19:04 Calinou simple as that
19:07 BlockMen so the explanation and all is on wiki but the discussions still on forum. its a bad idea and wont work
19:08 Nemin32 (Maybe only have a list of links on the forums, and everybody could use the Github wiki?)
19:12 Nemin32 Ok i go bye.
19:12 Calinou GitHub wiki sucks
19:12 Calinou it's not what you're looking for
19:12 Calinou MediaWiki is 10 times more powerful
19:13 Calinou we have 2 dedicated installs of it… we can use them
19:13 Calinou they load quickly, very quickly
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19:13 VanessaE there's also wikia if you can stand their sucky user interface :P
19:14 Calinou ads, slow to load
19:14 Calinou it's also MediaWiki
19:14 Calinou so no point
19:15 VanessaE ads?  what ads? ;)
19:15 VanessaE (really though, when I get less lazy, I'm gonna move homedecor's crafting guide off of there to github or to my personal webspace or something
19:17 BlockMen howevery, im off
19:17 BlockMen bye
19:17 VanessaE byw
19:17 VanessaE bye
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19:21 VanessaE there, I at least extracted the unformatted text.  that's half the work. :P
19:28 rubenwardy http://rubenwardy.github.io/minetest_mod_maker/
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19:29 Exio4 http://www.aosabook.org/en/ghc.html
19:29 rubenwardy Haskell <3
19:30 ispn sfan5: I see what u did there. Nodes will be scriptable separately? Did you think about fetching the cube models from a dir/tar?
19:30 Exio4 yeah
19:30 Exio4 it is an amazing language! :D
19:30 ispn sfan5: I'll try to do a blender import with this, maybe. Tempting as hell. But no damn time u_u.
19:31 sfan5 ispn: you could theoretically use a different model (.obj and .mtl) for each node
19:31 ispn sfan5: yes, this is what I meant, this can be epic.
19:31 Calinou <Exio4> it is an amazing language! :D
19:32 Calinou impossible to understand
19:32 Calinou unreadable
19:32 ispn sfan5: in b4 using pool of possible cube shapes for 1 kind of cube to randomize render results :>
19:32 sfan5 thats what you meant..
19:32 sfan5 yes
19:32 sfan5 that would be possible
19:33 Exio4 Calinou, it is easy to understand, as long as you don't try to read it imperative-ish
19:33 Exio4 i find while/for loops making the code messy and making beautiful code look ugly
19:35 Exio4 how is a map harder to understand than a for loop?
19:35 Exio4 or a filter, or a fold...
19:35 Exio4 they're high-level constructs that tell you way more about the "loop" itself
19:35 ispn sfan5: a lot of work from the modelling side, and only to get renders. Though I've seen that in-game blocks can randomize sprite direction based on direction of player placement (bones for instance) so render cubes could be reused in-game. Still lot of resources to make all these.
19:36 Exio4 forever $ do ...
19:36 Calinou I'm not good in any language anyway
19:36 Calinou brain isn't made for that
19:36 Exio4 what?
19:36 ispn Calinou: oh come on, your English is fine.
19:36 ispn :]
19:37 Exio4 hah
19:38 rubenwardy !title https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=14&amp;t=9939
19:38 MinetestBot rubenwardy: Simple Minetest Mod Maker - Minetest Forums
19:43 rubenwardy GTG
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19:51 LemonLake wooo
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19:52 VanessaE splitsville
19:52 LemonLake that just occured
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19:54 PenguinDad I was on the smaller side \o/
19:56 Calinou http://paste.ubuntu.com/8065393/
19:56 * sfan5 meows at LemonLake
19:57 PenguinDad Calinou: really useful mod :D
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20:11 blaise hey if shift-1 rases the viewing range, what lowers it?
20:16 lemonlake_ a magician
20:18 PenguinDad !c math.random(2, 9)
20:18 MinetestBot AttributeError: 'SomeObject' object has no attribute 'random'
20:18 PenguinDad !c math.rand(2, 9)
20:18 MinetestBot AttributeError: 'SomeObject' object has no attribute 'rand'
20:22 sfan5 ispn: https://cdn.mediacru.sh/ktd3zDSi47AK.png
20:23 sfan5 PenguinDad: random.randint
20:23 sfan5 blaise: '-'
20:24 PenguinDad one of the differences between python2 and python3?
20:24 sfan5 PenguinDad: no
20:24 PenguinDad Then I'm just confused :D
20:32 sfan5 PenguinDad: why that?
20:34 asl math.random is js and lua iirc
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20:39 Exio4 sfan5, what recursive function could i write (python)?!
20:39 Exio4 i'm bored :(
20:40 Exio4 !c (lambda f: (lambda x: f(lambda *args: x(x)(*args)))(lambda x: f(lambda *args: x(x)(*args))))((lambda fact: lambda n: 1 if (n<1) else (n+fact(n-1))))(90)
20:40 MinetestBot 4096
20:40 Exio4 !c (lambda f: (lambda x: f(lambda *args: x(x)(*args)))(lambda x: f(lambda *args: x(x)(*args))))((lambda fact: lambda n: 1 if (n<1) else (n+fact(n-1))))(100)
20:40 MinetestBot 5051
20:40 Exio4 !c (lambda f: (lambda x: f(lambda *args: x(x)(*args)))(lambda x: f(lambda *args: x(x)(*args))))((lambda fact: lambda n: 0 if (n<1) else (n+fact(n-1))))(100)
20:40 Exio4 there
20:40 MinetestBot 5050
20:40 Calinou texturing is completely broken, sfan5
20:40 Calinou wrong texture projection mode
20:40 Calinou try other ones
20:41 Calinou also, the texture should use nearest filtering
20:41 Calinou again, that can be configured in Blender
20:41 blaise Exio4: I can't get the update_from_db.py or update_from_db2.py from u_skinsdb to work at all
20:41 blaise Exio4: you could check that out.. XD
20:42 Exio4 my python skills sucks, i only know how to define recursive lambda functions!
20:42 blaise ah.
20:42 Exio4 (fixed point combinators!)
20:42 Exio4 i only want to code something nasty :P
20:42 Exio4 !c while True: 1+1
20:42 MinetestBot SyntaxError: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)
20:44 blaise I've tried python-2.7.8, python-3.2.5, python-3.3.5, and python-3.4.1
20:44 blaise none of them worked
20:45 blaise so the code is definitly fubar,
20:45 blaise lmao
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20:47 PenguinDad !c "foo" * 2 + "bar" * 2
20:47 MinetestBot 'foofoobarbar'
20:48 luizrpgluiz hi
20:50 blaise here is what happends when I run update_from_db.py http://pastebin.com/ina1YKXp
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20:52 NobbyNobbs hi
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20:55 ispn oh u splitnode.
20:56 ispn sfan5: Whoa textures :D Will look into the code in a sec
20:56 PenguinDad netsplits aren't that bad imo as long as they don't occur too often
20:59 ispn PenguinDad: same about politicians, cancer, aids, and war in Ukraine. :P
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21:05 Calinou https://github.com/minetest/minete​st/pull/1553#issuecomment-52118737
21:05 Calinou I see a vignette shader
21:05 Calinou (that sucks)
21:05 Calinou totally unrealistic
21:05 Calinou copying Minecraft's mistake
21:08 PenguinDad I don't like that vignette effect either
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21:36 ispn Calinou: PenguinDad: Why not use matcap shaders? :> they are fast and good looking. https://www.youtube.com/wa​tch?v=Z_jdaBpq8Pg#t=1m30s
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21:39 PenguinDad I still wonder why the optipng hg repo looks so outdated :/
21:51 sfan5 Calinou: not my issue, those a blender settings
21:55 Exio4 hahahahaha
21:55 Exio4 the infinite loop was caused by shadowing
21:56 Exio4 should've enabled warnings before
21:56 PenguinDad Of course shadows make it harder to see the infinite loop :P
22:00 Exio4 pls :P
22:01 sfan5 ispn: note: you either need to set the texture paths in nodes.txt or put them into the working dir of blender
22:02 sfan5 ispn: and there are only textures set for 4 differnent wools
22:03 sfan5 ispn: BTW: the code is highly generic, the .obj and .mtl files can have (as you may have seen) #if #else #endif thingies and can have access to the variables listed in nodes.txt: compare nodes.lua entry for wool:yellow (texture=wool_yellow.png) and the cube.mtl(map_Kd {texture})
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22:10 john_minetest Hello everypony
22:10 PenguinDad Hey john_minetest
22:16 ispn sfan5: OK, will experiment with this tomorrow and ask questions then. I understand a lot of the stuff that's happening in the program, but I'm still noob at programming (though trying to learn stuff).
22:35 ispn ok, going to sleep. See you all tomorrow.
22:36 Exio4 mfw someone is watching my little pony
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23:14 john_minetest Exio4: http://mylittlefacewhen.com/
23:14 Exio4 haha
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23:30 john_cephalopoda duh
23:32 john_minetest Hmm, When I want to do stuff with several lua scripts, do I create a lua object in c++ for every script or do I make a general one that handles everything somehow?
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23:33 john_minetest duh, disconnects.
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23:37 dotDeb what are the main differences between minetest and minecraft in terms of ores
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23:41 lemonlake_ yooo
23:41 lemonlake_ dudes
23:41 lemonlake_ how does one install the magick++
23:50 john_minetest dotDeb: Minetets has mostly the same materials, I guess.
23:50 dotDeb john_minetest oh ok
23:50 john_minetest Coal, Iron, Copper, Gold and some other thing that I can't remember.
23:51 dotDeb copper is not in minecraft
23:51 john_minetest There is one more material. MESE. It once was an ultra material but now it is just a usual crystal.
23:51 john_minetest MESE is mysterious
23:52 john_minetest http://wiki.minetest.net/Mese
23:52 john_minetest You can read everything about ores and stuff on the wiki
23:52 john_minetest http://wiki.minetest.net/Category:Ores
23:54 john_minetest lemonlake_ : On which OS are you?
23:54 lemonlake_ john_minetest: does it matter?
23:54 lemonlake_ i want to use it as a library in my c++ projekt.
23:54 dotDeb what's the most popular server
23:55 john_minetest Look in the "Client" tab  of minetest, check the checkbox "Public server list". You can see player counts on servers there.,
23:55 dotDeb thanks
23:55 john_minetest Or use http://servers.minetest.met
23:55 john_minetest Or use http://servers.minetest.net
23:56 john_minetest lemonlake_: You have to install the lib before you can use it.
23:56 dotDeb john_minetest clicking that makes minetest crash
23:56 john_minetest lemonlake_: How you have to install it depends on your OS.
23:56 john_minetest dotDeb: That's weird. What's your version of minetest?
23:57 dotDeb john_minetest 0.4.10
23:57 john_minetest Did you download it from the minetest.net  website?
23:58 dotDeb john_minetest no, from repo
23:58 john_minetest You used git and compiled it yourself?
23:58 dotDeb no
23:59 dotDeb from OS repos
23:59 dotDeb aka apt-get install
23:59 john_minetest Ubuntu? Debian?
23:59 dotDeb i got it to work though anyways
23:59 dotDeb without serverlist

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