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00:04 twoelk https://github.com/sfan5/mi​netest/tree/saveToLocalMap <-the saveToLocalMap source
00:05 OldCoder Batman, you can have WorldEdit if noone objects... I'm teaching today but will be happy to talk this week
00:05 OldCoder That way we both get the schemes
00:07 Jordach OldCoder, as in, school?
00:07 Miner_48er thx twoelk
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00:08 Batman OldCoder thanks. I will look you up later in the week. Your awesome
00:09 OldCoder kkcu
00:09 OldCoder Jordach, no; webdev
00:10 Jordach OldCoder, ooh
00:10 * OldCoder is resting c u
00:10 Jordach at least you can handle the Pretty Hot Potatoes :3
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01:11 someguy helloh
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01:13 someguy anyone there?
01:13 fu-fu I'm confused.
01:13 someguy ok,
01:13 fu-fu How does name in func = function(name, param) get the name? (chat command)
01:13 someguy brb . [doing homework -.-]
01:14 someguy andi dont know lua programming.
01:14 someguy and I*
01:14 fu-fu Can I just throw function(name,param,foo,bla) in and always get foo and bla and name?
01:14 someguy try it.
01:14 someguy then be sure on what you get.
01:17 someguy is Owen arh* Shadow Ninja On?
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01:39 someguy vanessaE?
01:39 someguy u there?
01:39 VanessaE yes
01:39 someguy i wanna tell you something secret. o.o
01:40 VanessaE you can just tell me here where it will fall into the public logs :P
01:40 * VanessaE doesn't like secrets.
01:40 someguy man update your site it still is written  just {HTML} where as in these days HTML 5 css3 . etc are there.
01:40 VanessaE why should I update it?
01:41 VanessaE what's the benefit?
01:41 someguy please update ur site from the 19'70s.
01:41 someguy still :P
01:41 someguy dosent look that ugly.
01:41 someguy just images.
01:41 someguy use a little css
01:41 VanessaE HTML 4 is still just as useful as it was back then, and if you check the sources, you'll find it uses CSS and javascript.
01:41 VanessaE I'm just too lazy to rework the style.
01:41 someguy hmm
01:42 VanessaE there's nothing to be gained by rewriting it in HTML5 except for heataches.
01:42 someguy use css3
01:42 someguy then
01:42 VanessaE headaches*
01:42 someguy meh
01:42 someguy nope
01:42 someguy im just 16
01:42 someguy and i have a Windows 8 web demo written in pure html5 and javascript css3
01:42 VanessaE so?
01:42 someguy just update.
01:43 * VanessaE senses lamefun
01:43 someguy thts all i wanted so say.
01:43 Exio i'm 17 and i've coded my own interpreter, i'm obviously a hacker
01:43 someguy hmm
01:43 VanessaE I have no intention to update the code on that site.
01:43 someguy im a web developer
01:43 someguy not  a pc programmer
01:43 Exio VanessaE, because i'm a hacker, i say minetest should use brainfuck, LUA is deprecated
01:43 Exio ok?
01:43 someguy ............
01:43 someguy -.-
01:44 someguy Exio
01:44 someguy try to hack minetest.
01:44 someguy .
01:44 someguy [obviously he cant]
01:44 someguy g2g be back in a min.
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01:49 someguy VanessaE : one thought. you'r smart as F%$# at electronics
01:49 someguy got to say that
01:50 VanessaE I used to be,
01:50 someguy :(
01:50 VanessaE not so much anymore.  I'm out of practice and no longer current with the state of technology.
01:51 someguy oh.
01:51 someguy more minetest
01:51 VanessaE nope, that happened long before minetest was even invented.
01:51 someguy no not that
01:51 someguy i ment "in this time"
01:52 someguy you just mine
01:52 VanessaE I play, I code, I read
01:52 someguy hmm
01:52 someguy you play mineCraft?
01:52 VanessaE nope.
01:53 someguy good :D
01:55 fu-fu VanessaE: I'ma bug you, and ask how the func=function(name,param,foo,bar) works, as it seems able to get some things, sometimes, and not at others. Is it tied to each type of minetest.register... or what?
01:56 VanessaE it is.
01:56 VanessaE for each callback, only certain parameters are passed to the function being called.
01:57 VanessaE in ABMs for example, you get the position and node being operated on, and two object counts
01:57 VanessaE in an on_punch, you get the node, the player, position I think, and I forget what else
01:57 someguy and a guy called Sonic Ether, plays minecraft and made sonic ethers unbeliveble shaders mod...........
01:58 someguy anyone like him on mineTest?
01:58 someguy o.0
01:58 VanessaE in an after_place callback, you get the placer, a pointed_thing reference, and a couple other items
01:58 VanessaE so it varies from one callback to another.  each is different but each always gets the same things every time they're called.
01:58 someguy hmm. 0,o
01:58 fu-fu Alrighty, makes sense, that was my guess but it's good to be verified.
01:59 VanessaE not familiar with him, someguy.
01:59 someguy hmm
01:59 someguy www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJ9_q3l4lVk
01:59 someguy official trailer.
01:59 VanessaE not interested.
01:59 fu-fu Is there any reasonable way to get pointed_thing with a chat command...?
01:59 someguy i know xD
02:00 someguy -.-
02:00 someguy just look
02:00 VanessaE fu-fu: I'm not sure.  never tried.
02:00 VanessaE but it's probably easier to do a register_on_punchnode() call and obtain it that way
02:00 someguy and is lua like javascript?
02:01 VanessaE someguy: nope, not really
02:01 someguy hmm
02:01 someguy both minetest and minecraft are two diffrent games
02:01 someguy im not coparing them
02:01 VanessaE the little bit of javascript I've written or looked at didn't really bear any resemblance to the Lua I write today
02:02 someguy just take a look at the mod
02:02 someguy www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJ9_q3l4lVk
02:02 VanessaE also, Minecraft is Java, not Javascript.
02:02 someguy i know.
02:02 someguy man im not a "total noob".
02:03 fu-fu VanessaE: Ahh, I thought that was more of a block-side thing instead of a global. Thanks.
02:07 fu-fu someguy: Very pretty, my computer would just die instantly.
02:08 someguy lol
02:08 VanessaE waving leaves...snore
02:08 someguy -.-
02:08 someguy same for me
02:08 VanessaE lava...snore
02:08 VanessaE fog
02:08 VanessaE snore
02:08 VanessaE water surface
02:08 VanessaE snore
02:08 someguy i cant handle MINETEST
02:08 VanessaE we have all of this already
02:08 someguy im running on Dx 3d mode
02:08 someguy directX9
02:08 someguy windows 8 sucks.
02:08 someguy cant updateOnelGL
02:08 someguy update open gl*
02:09 someguy so dx .
02:09 VanessaE reflections, coming soon *pokes RealBadAngel*
02:09 VanessaE bloom, coming soon
02:10 RealBadAngel windows8 cannot handle opengl?
02:10 RealBadAngel another reason to switch to linux
02:10 someguy hmm
02:10 someguy not that
02:11 RealBadAngel so what?
02:11 someguy Windows 8 and my inbuit graphics arnt good friends..
02:11 someguy soo no update.
02:11 someguy they HATE each other.
02:11 VanessaE about the only thing in that whole video that we don't have coming down the pike is those procedural clouds.
02:11 RealBadAngel pity
02:11 someguy hmm
02:11 someguy yep
02:12 someguy cnt start minecraft
02:12 VanessaE screw minecraft :P
02:12 someguy at least minetest is thre for hsppiness.
02:12 someguy happieness.
02:12 someguy brb
02:13 fu-fu Atleast minetest runs on a computer. Usually under like 1/10th a gig, whereas minecraft to get fun/usefull/whatnot is at 8gb (which I don't have.)
02:14 someguy hmm ram?
02:14 fu-fu Yes.
02:14 someguy i have 4 gig.
02:15 fu-fu Hdd space, I have several TB's, ram, 2Gb. 4GB of Zram if I waana risk it, and then some swap as needed.
02:16 someguy hmm
02:17 Exio fu-fu, i'd say in my FX, minecraft uses less ram
02:17 Exio but in my netbook, minetest is still better performance-wise :P
02:17 fu-fu FX?
02:18 someguy Dx*
02:18 someguy .
02:20 fu-fu It was a slight exaggaderation, but minecraft + technic/feedthebeast = custome launcher + tons of stuff = ~2.2GB ram when it's all loaded, and then it just naturally kreeps up in usage. I tell the java VM to use 4GB's, and it can almost work, if my entire computer consits of running basic drivers/moduals, dhcpcd, wpa_supplicant, X and Java. But then it'll crash and not work anyways.
02:21 fu-fu Minetest, however, I can run, and it works, and I can have my computer do others things at the same time.
02:21 someguy hm
02:22 someguy yep
02:22 someguy at lest i can "run".
02:23 someguy i think i can run minetest with this system req. http://puu.sh/aNky3/0b3a17b4f4.png
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02:24 someguy re: i think i can run minetest with this system req. http://puu.sh/aNky3/0b3a17b4f4.png
02:26 Exio fu-fu, FX = AMD FX = my desktop :p
02:26 Exio it has 12gb though
02:27 someguy oh kk
02:27 someguy o/o
02:27 someguy ok
02:28 Exio it is a bulldozer 6100, nothing much but mid-end-ish
02:28 someguy what crap can i do with this http://puu.sh/aNkOH/b11713962c.png
02:28 someguy .
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02:33 VanessaE greetz, kaeza
02:33 kaeza greetings
02:34 Exio \o/ kaeza
02:34 Exio long time no see! ;P
02:34 kaeza o/
02:35 blaise \o
02:36 blaise !server MidnightSystems
02:36 MinetestBot blaise: MidnightSystems | midnightsystems.net | Clients: 1/25, 0/4 | Version: 0.4.10 / minetest | Ping: 507ms
02:39 someguy Unable to connect  Firefox can't establish a connection to the server at midnightsystems.net.
02:39 someguy o.0
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03:19 blaise how do we power lv devices?
03:22 RealBadAngel get a batbox, switching station and a solar panel for example
03:22 RealBadAngel connect it all (from bottom) with lv cable
03:23 RealBadAngel and a machine you want to power too, ofc
03:26 blaise ah, switching station
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03:33 blaise what is this illusive switching station I keep hearing about..
03:33 luizrpgluiz hiii
03:36 blaise hello
03:37 luizrpgluiz have someone creating mods?
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03:58 fu-fu blaise: A very costly thing to build.
03:59 blaise I can't even find it to build it
04:01 fu-fu You need 2 of each kind of transformer if I remember, and 3 things in the middle, i don't remeber what they were.
04:07 blaise I have one,
04:07 blaise now what do I do with it?
04:08 blaise do I have to put batteries in the battery box?
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04:27 RealBadAngel if you want to load them
04:27 RealBadAngel in those slots you can charge your tools or portable batteries
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04:54 * VanessaE wanders off to bed.
04:54 VanessaE night all
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05:55 blaise so uhrm,
05:55 blaise what can we do with a crap ton of charged battery boxes?
05:55 blaise can we light our buildings?
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06:25 ThatGraemeGuy blaise: if your power source is solar generation, battery boxes will allow you to run machines when its dark
06:25 blaise or to maintain my power grid in other types of power generation failure?
06:25 ThatGraemeGuy solar generates for less than half a minetest day, as they only start generating slightly after sunrise, and they stop slightly before sunset
06:26 ThatGraemeGuy yes generally, they provide a way to store power for later use
06:26 blaise awesome..
06:26 blaise what kind of lighting can I use?
06:26 ThatGraemeGuy and for charging electrical tools, chainsaws, mining lasers, mining drills
06:27 ThatGraemeGuy there is no electric lighting in technic at this point
06:27 ThatGraemeGuy the homedecor modpack provides various lights that are powered by magic :-)
06:33 blaise :\
06:34 blaise I can't even remember if I installed homedecor
06:34 blaise I feel like I did
06:35 ThatGraemeGuy if you have an inventory enhancement like unified_inventory you can search for homedecor and you should see a boatload of items
06:39 fishyWET or just use the command "/mods" ingame, it should show you all the mods installed.
06:40 ThatGraemeGuy lol yeah or that
06:40 * ThatGraemeGuy failed "Keep It Simple 101"
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07:49 blaise how in teh world do I bring up the mobf menu?
07:52 VanessaE /mobf  :)
07:52 RealBadAngel i can see youre up too ;)
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08:20 VanessaE RealBadAngel: not for much longer.
08:25 VanessaE I/O error reading /dev/brain: Segmentation fault (core dumped).
08:27 VanessaE bbl, off to bed.
08:27 VanessaE night all
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08:34 JamesTait Good morning all; happy Monday, and happy Ingersoll Day! :-D
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09:06 LemonLake excuse me
09:06 LemonLake what exactly occured
09:06 sfan5 stuff
09:06 * PenguinDad meows at MinetestBot
09:06 * MinetestBot meows at PenguinDad
09:13 fishyWET eh, anyone knows how to add physics to an armor in the minetest-3d_armor mod?
09:20 blaise hrmm
09:21 blaise sapier said to go into mobf menu and remove mobs after they're disabled
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09:21 blaise but for some reason , it's crashing the server now
09:21 blaise :\
09:21 blaise registering pattern flight_pattern1                                                                                                                                                                                                                         │
09:21 blaise 04:19:57: ERROR[main]: core.deserialize(): ...sr/share/games/minetest/bui​ltin/common/serialize.lua:181: [string "return { ["animal_big_red:big_red"] = { [1.4110470848521e+14] =..."]:1: ']' expected near '<eof>'                                                  │
09:24 blaise maybe I can just load the mobf_settings
09:24 blaise and remove them all together
09:24 blaise :\
09:26 blaise nope
09:26 blaise lmao
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10:00 blaise !server MidnightSystems
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10:03 MinetestBot ConnectionResetError: [Errno 104] Connection reset by peer (file "/usr/lib/python3.4/socket.py", line 371, in readinto)
10:04 Matsetes Midnight? Lol, here is 12 am
10:05 Amaz !server Krock
10:05 MinetestBot Amaz: No results
10:05 Amaz !server Platform
10:05 MinetestBot Amaz: No results
10:05 PenguinDad !server Vanilla
10:05 MinetestBot PenguinDad: VanessaE's mostly-vanilla minetest_game server | digitalaudioconcepts.com:30005 | Clients: 1/50, 1/2 | Version: 0.4.10-dev / minetest_game | Ping: 116ms
10:05 Amaz !server meow
10:05 MinetestBot Amaz: Meowtest 0.4.10 "SEGFAULTY" | minetest.org:30018 | Clients: 0/25, 1/4 | Version: 0.4.10 / meowtest_game | Ping: 402ms
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10:50 Megaf Hi all
10:50 Megaf Wheres VanessaE?
10:51 Megaf !seen VanessaE
10:51 MinetestBot Megaf: vanessae was last seen at 2014-08-09 00:29:36 UTC on #minetest
10:51 raffahacks hi megaf
10:51 raffahacks i was looking for her too :)
10:51 Megaf !tell VanessaE http://paste.debian.net/114818/ /mods/areas/api.lua:5: attempt to index local 'pos' (a nil value)
10:51 MinetestBot Megaf: yeah, sure, whatever
10:52 twoelk should be early morning where she lives
10:52 Megaf 11:52 here :)
10:53 raffahacks 12:53 here
10:55 twoelk uhm 6.54 am east coast USA?
10:55 raffahacks megaf: r u english?
10:56 Megaf Nope, but I’m in Dublin, Ireland
10:56 raffahacks ok, gmt 0
10:56 raffahacks i am in italy, +1
10:59 Megaf Actually we are at GMT +1 here, baucase of summer time
10:59 raffahacks ah ok
10:59 PenguinDad s/GMT/UTC/
11:02 twoelk well whatever the complete correct expression is for the current time of middle Europe, that's valid for me at the moment :-) plus some nightowl lag of course
11:03 Megaf That’s quite interesting http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_in_Ireland
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12:07 someguy ahm
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12:39 jojoa1997 hi :)
12:40 PenguinDad Hi jojoa1997
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13:40 * Jordach mews at sfan5 and LemonLake
13:41 LemonLake Jordach: what's up?
13:41 Jordach LemonLake, just got in
13:41 Jordach and by next Sat. my Nokia Lumia (which is my bros) is back from repairs
13:41 Jordach tl;dr he managed to melt the USB charge port
13:42 LemonLake and why are you alerting me of a meow?
13:42 LemonLake what have i done?
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13:50 Jordach LemonLake, just meowing :3
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14:15 bitsflashing hello
14:15 Matsetes_ Hello
14:16 bitsflashing how would I join the irc channel of a server?
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14:34 Jordach *useless gateway webchat users*
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15:08 * jp___ câline le Calinou.
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15:30 Jordach :D
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15:31 Vyle how long does it take until you get an activation email from the forum?
15:31 * sfan5 meows at Jordach
15:34 PenguinDad D: wasn't logged but :D was :)
15:34 sfan5 Vyle: 5 minutes
15:35 Vyle oh, i still haven't got it and i registered hours ago
15:37 Calinou did you type your e-mail right?
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15:37 Vyle yes, i did
15:38 * Jordach might have found another way to clone Slamacow's model features https://cdn.mediacru.sh/UEymL3KClFOq.png
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15:50 * Jordach thinks Vanessa's IRC server died
15:50 Jordach there we are
15:52 * sfan5 meows at Jordach
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15:54 Sompi missä zombit on
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15:54 Krock hi.
15:55 Vyle hey
15:55 PenguinDad Moin Krock
15:55 Krock moin PenguinDad
16:00 Sompi ei ole zombeja tuossa pelissä
16:00 Sompi pask peli
16:01 PenguinDad Is this finninsh?
16:01 away yes
16:01 PenguinDad -n
16:01 Sompi yes
16:03 Krock away, liar. you're here. :P
16:03 * sfan5 meows at Krock
16:03 * Krock meows at sfan5
16:04 PenguinDad Sompi: If you want zombies you should try the creatures mod https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=8638
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16:04 MinetestBot VanessaE: 08-11 15:51 UTC <Megaf> http://paste.debian.net/114818/ /mods/areas/api.lua:5: attempt to index local 'pos' (a nil value)
16:04 sfan5 wow
16:04 sfan5 tell.py worked
16:04 sfan5 for once
16:05 Jordach VanessaE, your server is shitting itself IRC-wise
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16:06 Jordach >147 hour of TF2
16:06 Sompi I want Herobrine
16:06 sfan5 you have strange requests..
16:06 Sompi :P
16:07 Krock sfan5, already worked some days ago
16:08 Krock I want toilet paper in minetest.
16:08 Krock which has dependencies for the poop mod
16:10 Vyle no
16:10 VanessaE Jordach: explain?
16:10 PenguinDad I want Herobrain :P
16:11 Krock ^
16:11 VanessaE Krock: homedecor has toilet paper :P
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16:11 Krock VanessaE, really? I'm afraif of updating...
16:11 Krock *afaid
16:11 Jordach VanessaE, constand connection closed
16:19 VanessaE huh.
16:19 * VanessaE pokes ShadowNinja
16:20 Calinou <Jordach> >147 hour of TF2
16:20 Calinou “I've had way more, but now my counter is just stuck!”
16:20 Jordach Calinou, 1v1 me m8
16:21 VanessaE Jordach: when were these timeouts and who was having them?
16:22 Calinou Jordach, Command declined!
16:26 Jordach VanessaE, just me
16:29 onuba In a creative server, is allowed or is something to do against a player that connect, destroy with TNT all player's constructions, exit, wait a time and do it again, continuously during hours a day and one day after the other?
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16:30 Jordach onuba, griefing isn't usually allowed on such servers
16:30 Calinou “creative griefing” is an oxymoron
16:30 Calinou but… ban the griefer?
16:30 Calinou /ban nickname
16:31 Calinou use https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=9&amp;t=9315 [xban] to ban players while they aren't online.
16:31 onuba but im not the admin of the server and i have enter to his web and there arent contact way
16:32 VanessaE Jordach: then I blame the connection between you and the server :P
16:32 Calinou then play on a server with better admins
16:33 Calinou or play singleplayer for creative
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16:33 Calinou multiplayer creative is hell unless everything is protected or unless the server is private
16:33 * Jordach makes a gif
16:33 Calinou it's the exact same problem as Minecraft
16:34 Jordach the game isn't the issue, players are
16:34 Calinou like everywhere…
16:34 Jordach !c 60/24.0
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16:44 onuba Ok, thanks for answers. The problem about 'play on a server with better admins' solution its that in the list of servers only are two and when i try to connect to the other doesnt works and i the server list of info i have never seen anyone, if i try now it sticks on 'connecting to the server' step. About play singleplayer, yes, i probably will do something but i was searching about cooperative
16:44 onuba games. In relation to this, thanks for the game to the people who works in it.
16:45 Jordach onuba, stuck usually means downloading mod media / other stuff
16:45 Jordach let it be and you'll join in time (i remember the days of joining VE-Survival without cURL)
16:47 Krock Jordach, > now it sticks on 'connecting to the server' ste
16:47 Krock Jordach, loading media is at "media"
16:49 sfan5 'its that in the list of servers only are two'
16:50 sfan5 onuba: is the 'public server list' checkbox checked?
16:50 Krock are you using freeminer?
16:50 * sfan5 curls up to Jordach's lap
16:50 * sfan5 wgets up to Calinou's lap
16:50 Jordach meow
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17:00 Calinou onuba, the problem is that *this kind of* cooperative game is full of griefers
17:00 Calinou despite not being so much about cooperation
17:00 Calinou it's due to the game genre and culture… same goes for it being full of kids
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17:03 rubenwardy Hi all!
17:04 onuba Ok, i also think that, thats why about my surprise, the difference from the people that i read at the forum to the people that i found on the game. Something that i was writting before that last comment:
17:04 Calinou hi rubenwardy :)
17:04 Calinou we have (usually illegal) mobile clients around, so all the kids using smartphones/tablets are attracted towards the game (generally because they can't buy Minecraft PE)
17:04 Calinou they can't be blocked
17:04 Calinou but servers can be configured to block _most_ of them
17:05 Calinou but this isn't a default setting
17:06 onuba Im not sure about the meaning of this question:  "is the 'public server list' checkbox checked?". I use this link http://servers.minetest.net/ to know about servers. In that list there are two with the 'cre' tag. And sorry, what happen when i try to enter isnt a stick in 'connection to server', what happen it is that the game 'not response' and i have to close.
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17:10 onuba Krock, i didnt know about freeminer, thanks. I will read about.
17:10 Krock onuba, no. they have about 3 online servers.....
17:10 Krock that wasn't a suggestion to play it
17:10 onuba Ah, so why that question?
17:12 Krock onuba, cuz you told about too less servers in the list
17:13 PenguinDad Krock: freeminer shows mt servers in the list last time I checked
17:13 Krock PenguinDad, interesting, they also have the own server list..
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17:13 Jordach everyone on the freeminer hate train
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17:15 onuba Ah, ok, i understand. Do you play any cooperative games, can you suggest me one?
17:15 * PenguinDad wgets onto the freeminer hate train
17:15 Calinou Freeminer and Minetest use the same default master server
17:15 PenguinDad Krock: look at the ping of the servers xD http://servers.freeminer.org/
17:15 Calinou onuba, depends if first person shooters count ;)
17:16 Krock PenguinDad, yeah. amazing ping
17:16 PenguinDad NaN ftw
17:16 Calinou but the other way is, find a private Minetest server, or one that isn't on the list (look at the forums)
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17:20 luizrpgluiz hi
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17:25 onuba Ok, i will continue reading on the forum. About other games, i will continue with this http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ca​tegor%C3%ADa:Videojuegos_libres (here english: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ca​tegory:Open-source_video_games) how i noticed this: http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minetest :)
17:28 onuba how -> as *
17:31 Krock >es
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17:52 luizrpgluiz can anyone help me? wanted to create a custom mod biome
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18:05 Krock luizrpgluiz, look at BFD
18:05 Jordach <3
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18:05 Krock sry. I meant paramat's biome maod for mapgen v7
18:05 Krock *mod
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18:07 Amaz Krock, BFD is probably better...
18:07 Amaz For that sort of thing.
18:07 Krock Amaz, your mapgen is best.
18:07 Krock the one about... uhm those plastic nodes
18:07 Amaz XD
18:08 Amaz Uses the BFD method.
18:09 luizrpgluiz BFD???
18:09 Amaz Big Freaking Dig
18:09 Amaz https://github.com/Jordach/big_freaking_dig
18:12 Krock *Fckin'
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18:21 Calinou ><>
18:21 luizrpgluiz how do I download the development version minetest
18:21 * sfan5 licks Krock
18:22 Krock rrr
18:22 Krock luizrpgluiz, linux: compile self from github | windows: look at forums
18:24 Miner_48er why not enable debug level 1 in clients by default? The coordinates that provides is about universally used.
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18:25 Calinou debug_log_level = 0
18:25 Calinou is best ;)
18:28 Krock yeah.
18:29 Miner_48er *debug info F%
18:29 Miner_48er *F5
18:31 Krock or print stacks! F6 :P
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18:33 sapier hello did anyone ever use coroutines in minetest?
18:33 Amaz coroutines?
18:35 Miner_48er With the introduction of the mobile devices not having an F5 key, an alternative or enabled by default seems to be need.
18:37 Krock Amaz, same question.
18:38 Amaz At first I thought he meant coordinates..
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18:42 Krock ^  "ponies": "yes, please"
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18:43 Krock LOL
18:43 Krock Location:     Germany (DUS/Dusseldorf)
18:43 Krock Dusseldorf
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18:44 PenguinDad sapier: kaeza did here https://github.com/kaeza/mapp/tree/threading
18:44 luizrpgluiz how do I activate the caves in minetest?
18:45 sfan5 caves should be activated
18:46 sapier thanks PenguinDad I guess I'll try to talk to him, cause I'm causing sigsegfaults on using it
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18:51 luizrpgluiz is there any example of biome mod, or any mod that is simple
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18:54 luizrpgluiz ?
18:55 Amaz THis is code that registers a biome: https://gist.github.com/Amaz1/eee1efcbf6c483d0e03f (For mgv7)
19:04 Krock any idea why additional inventory slots (bags) aren't saved at the same times as the rest of the inventory?
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19:36 sfan5 holy shit
19:36 sfan5 how many registers does a GPU have
19:36 luizrpgluiz someone has a tutorial on how to make a biome mod or other mod?
19:36 sfan5 >add.s32 %r672, %r8056, %r671;
19:36 sfan5 excerpt from code generated by nvidia gpu compiler
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19:45 luizrpgluiz I loved the update can render the game in direct3d and software
19:50 sfan5 that are mostly features of Irrlicht
19:52 luizrpgluiz yes, but when I put in Direct3D 8, simply does not open, it opens but it closes after
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20:07 Jordach WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
20:07 Jordach that insect buzzing noise is gone
20:07 sfan5 CATS
20:07 sfan5 meow
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20:08 Jordach and instantly away
20:09 EvergreenTree Hello people of #minetest
20:09 EvergreenTree sorry
20:09 Jordach EvergreenTree, /back
20:09 EvergreenTree I was away when I closed quassel
20:09 EvergreenTree Ik
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20:09 EvergreenTree It takes a little bit for it to respond
20:09 * sfan5 meows at EvergreenTree
20:09 Jordach inverse kinematics, yes please :3
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20:09 EvergreenTree Also, I think I am an Ent
20:10 EvergreenTree Well, an Evergreen Ent
20:10 Jordach EvergreenTree, /nick Groot
20:10 Jordach >:D
20:10 EvergreenTree I got a CM 212 Evo
20:10 EvergreenTree It's much better then that stock amd cooler
20:11 Jordach ooh
20:11 * Jordach feels like a PCMasterRace peasant
20:11 EvergreenTree Also: https://soundcloud.com/mons​tercat/fool-keep-on-rocking
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20:15 PenguinDad EvergreenTree: Nice song you found there :)
20:15 EvergreenTree Monstercat ftw
20:18 PenguinDad https://mediacru.sh/T3iYIWEKPJw2 D:
20:19 EvergreenTree oh noes
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20:25 MinetestBot blaise: MidnightSystems | midnightsystems.net | Clients: 1/25, 0/3 | Version: 0.4.10 / minetest | Ping: 891ms
20:25 blaise !up midnightsystems.net
20:25 MinetestBot midnightsystems.net:30000 is up (409ms)
20:26 blaise how do I iluminate the street lights?
20:31 * VanessaE peeks in
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20:33 * PenguinDad squawks
20:34 VanessaE hi all.
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21:13 xbx how do i make a minetest server?
21:19 VanessaE you need a good PC or dedicated server or VPS, high speed internet and minetest.
21:19 VanessaE that's all
21:19 VanessaE there are articles on the forum and on the minetest wiki explaining it
21:19 VanessaE but basically it amounts to running the server program, pointing it at a properly-set-up config file, a world to play in, and a game to play with.
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21:32 xbx how do  i make a minetest  server?
21:33 VanessaE I just told you.
21:33 VanessaE [08-11 17:21] <VanessaE> you need a good PC or dedicated server or VPS, high speed internet and minetest.
21:33 VanessaE [08-11 17:21] <VanessaE> that's all
21:33 VanessaE [08-11 17:21] <VanessaE> there are articles on the forum and on the minetest wiki explaining it
21:33 VanessaE [08-11 17:22] <VanessaE> but basically it amounts to running the server program, pointing it at a properly-set-up config file, a world to play in, and a game to play with.
21:34 xbx where do i get the server program?
21:34 VanessaE the easy part is setting up a server.  the hard part is maintaining it (meaning:  admin duties to your users and the world, keeping your mods up to date, etc)
21:34 VanessaE the server program comes with the client.
21:34 VanessaE minetestserver, or minetest.exe --server
21:34 VanessaE (linux, or windows respectively)
21:34 xbx run a command line?
21:34 VanessaE yes
21:35 xbx im on windows 8 and i never did this befor
21:35 VanessaE don't use windows to run a server.
21:35 VanessaE it is not meant for that.
21:35 VanessaE use a linux box or do it with some nice paid-for VPS or dedicated server machine
21:35 xbx linux box?
21:36 VanessaE A computer running the Linux operating system.  What most of the internet runs on.
21:36 VanessaE (same thing that powers Android tablets/phones, too)
21:37 xbx i only have one computer thats decent and no money so i think im screwed
21:37 VanessaE not screwed.
21:37 VanessaE just don't expect to run a server 24/7
21:37 VanessaE you CAN run one from windows
21:37 VanessaE but it is not the preferred way
21:38 xbx i never run servers 24/7
21:38 VanessaE almost everyone else does :)
21:38 VanessaE nearly all of the internet (read: 99.999% of it) is 24/7
21:38 xbx well they probably have more money than i do
21:38 VanessaE naw
21:38 VanessaE my dedicated server only costs US $29/mo.
21:39 VanessaE that's less than I pay for internet access.
21:39 xbx yea i have $0
21:39 VanessaE then you'll have to run it on your home PC
21:39 VanessaE you got high speed internet?
21:39 VanessaE e.g. DSL or cable or so?
21:39 xbx the only os i have is windows 8
21:39 xbx im on wireless
21:40 VanessaE wireless is insufficient.
21:40 xbx dsl internet i have thought
21:40 xbx though*
21:40 VanessaE the PC will need to be connected to your router via a cable.  wireless will be too unreliable.
21:41 xbx thats kinda hard for me because my parents computer is next to the box
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21:41 VanessaE yeah, you're not in a good position to run a server.
21:42 xbx i ran minecraft servers before on wireless but ur right my upload speed is .70mbps
21:43 luizrpgluiz someone is Brazilian or Portuguese? I made ​​a tutorial video to play minetest in Direct3D 9
21:43 xbx im american
21:43 VanessaE well you'll have about the same success with a minetest server as with the other game.
21:44 VanessaE you can try it if you want but I don't recomment it
21:44 xbx yea, not alot of people play it anyways
21:44 VanessaE 700 kbps is really quite slow, not enough to handle anything but a very basic game (due to the media upload required)
21:45 xbx i can play games like star wars the old republic and other mmos
21:45 proller but minetest cant send more than ~1mbps
21:45 VanessaE those don't involve sending tons of data TO someone else.
21:45 VanessaE proller: incorrect.  minetest can do about 5 Mbps without cURL.
21:46 proller on 24 cores xeon ?
21:46 xbx my wireless speed is 72mbps
21:46 VanessaE proller: on a 2-core 3.4 GHz i3.
21:46 VanessaE xbx: maybe 54 Mbps, but that doesn't matter, what matters is your upstream over the DSL.
21:47 xbx would it be a problem if my wireless adapter driver needs updated?
21:48 VanessaE xbx: no.  the bottleneck here is that wireless is inherently prone to noise.
21:49 VanessaE xbx: it doesn't take very much outside interference to cause a wireless signal to crap out for a moment, and in gaming, this can lead to lag and disconnectsa.
21:49 VanessaE -a
21:49 xbx ok...
21:49 VanessaE xbx: even your home microwave oven can cause noise on Wifi.
21:49 VanessaE (depending on its proximity and its age)
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21:50 xbx my computer is the next room from the router
21:50 VanessaE xbx: point is, don't run a server over wireless.
21:50 VanessaE you want to run a server, run a wire to the router first.
21:51 xbx cant run a wire cause dont have any
21:51 VanessaE so buy some?
21:51 VanessaE cat 5e wire is cheap.
21:51 VanessaE get some next pay-day
21:51 xbx again $0 to my name and my parent gets all the money
21:52 xbx i dont have a job, i live with my parent
21:52 VanessaE you can get a spool of 100 feet of cat 5e cable for $20.
21:53 VanessaE get some ends and a crimping tool (about $25 for the set) and you're all set
21:53 xbx starting college soon, wouldnt be if it wasnt for financial aid so i guess ill chicken out on it
21:53 xbx on the server
21:53 VanessaE or,
21:53 VanessaE you know,
21:53 VanessaE you could,
21:53 VanessaE you know...get a JOB.
21:54 VanessaE oh G*d I sound like my parents.
21:54 xbx i have problems with my anger so i cant job, im waiting on a call from wendys where i put a application in
21:55 VanessaE when I was in college, about 20 years ago, I also held down a full-time job.  How the hell I remained sane, I don't know (but that's a different matter), but I did it.
21:55 VanessaE if I could, despite being disabled, so can you.
21:55 VanessaE I won't accept "anger issues" as an excuse.
21:55 VanessaE sorry.
21:55 VanessaE don't wait for them to call - you call them instead.
21:55 xbx whateve
21:55 VanessaE they expect you to call.
21:55 VanessaE shows you're interested in working.
21:56 VanessaE else they'll toss your application in the "forget about this guy" file.
21:56 xbx i just dont like bugging people im kinda shy!
21:56 VanessaE they're an employer.
21:56 VanessaE they expect you to "bug" them
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21:57 VanessaE *grumble*
21:57 VanessaE G*d damned entitled kids.
21:57 VanessaE FUCK
21:57 VanessaE me fumes
21:57 * VanessaE fumes, too
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22:06 GTRsdk so sad to see people who won't do anything to get money to improve their situation :/
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22:19 WindHero indeed, coding innovative mapgens IS a challenge
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22:27 WindHero trying to create my own river generation method: https://mediacru.sh/rrt-ieys3D_O
22:27 WindHero ...not getting it right quite yet
22:31 VanessaE WindHero: ooooo nice
22:31 WindHero thanks, but it's VERY w.i.p.
22:32 WindHero I'm probably out of my mind for trying to make a mapgen, but it's fun anyway
22:32 VanessaE WindHero: the only downside I have ever really seen to these river attempts is that, because they all seem to use perlin noise, they all create eventual loops/circles of the rivers
22:32 VanessaE instead of the river perhaps crossing the map, or starting in one spot and running off the edge, etc.
22:32 WindHero aye,  that is a problem
22:33 WindHero so far, that hasn't happened in my tests for some reason
22:33 VanessaE that and rivers never seem to consistently run "down hill" :)
22:33 WindHero BUT, they have run up sheer cliff faces....
22:33 VanessaE but that's because we have no long-distance tens-of-km hills
22:34 WindHero that too
22:36 WindHero rofl
22:36 WindHero I gotta show this
22:36 * WindHero readies link
22:37 WindHero https://mediacru.sh/IDrtn2eG5Bsf
22:37 WindHero ^precisely why I'm crazy
22:43 WindHero ...yeah, I gotta completely rethink how I'm doing this.
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22:59 VanessaE WindHero: what the...?
23:00 WindHero yup...
23:00 WindHero totally switched methods atm
23:00 WindHero I cannot stress the WIP enough
23:00 VanessaE heh
23:02 WindHero if only you could read perlin noise in a way to know when something is hill shaped
23:03 WindHero oh great, whole islands covered with water
23:04 WindHero I have tons of respect for successful mapgen coders.
23:05 VanessaE paramat is G*d where mapgens are concerned :)
23:07 twoelk yet his rivers only work randomly correct
23:08 WindHero xD
23:08 WindHero mmm, more like demi-god
23:09 WindHero OK, time for another test
23:09 twoelk I think noise is the wrong way to construct a real river
23:10 twoelk a river has to be constructed after the terrain is generated and by analyzing the possible course water could take
23:11 WindHero indeed, that would be the most accurate way
23:11 WindHero however, the processing time for that would be even longer than highlandpools
23:11 WindHero in other words: untenable
23:11 twoelk I don't think anyone has come up with the code for that in mt yet
23:12 WindHero no one has thought of how to get it right
23:12 WindHero and those who would have already seen that it would be complicated enough to lead to 60 s. chunk gen time
23:13 twoelk also the "waterdrop-model" does not work well with unknown parts of the map not generated at calculating time
23:15 VanessaE Aw man, wtf?  Robin Williams committed suicide! :'(
23:16 WindHero WUT?????
23:16 twoelk the actor?
23:16 VanessaE yes
23:16 WindHero holy s***
23:16 VanessaE http://abc7news.com/entertainment/actor-c​omedian-robin-williams-found-dead/253217/
23:16 VanessaE http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/11​/robin-williams-dead-dies_n_5670050.html
23:17 VanessaE saw on facebook first.  those two ^^^^ links seem about as authoritative as I can find for original sources
23:17 WindHero why do actors do this....
23:17 VanessaE fuck :(
23:18 WindHero ah, this is a little better: https://mediacru.sh/IleYlZ0udUaE
23:18 VanessaE WindHero: not bad
23:18 Exio http://s3.amazonaws.com/theoatmeal​-img/comics/senior_year/sex_ed.png
23:20 WindHero I'm not even gonna click that link.
23:21 twoelk no sex included
23:21 Exio it is safe for work
23:21 Exio really
23:21 WindHero welp, my mom certainly is disappointed in Williams' decision on what to do
23:21 VanessaE Exio: hahah
23:22 Exio full comic http://theoatmeal.com/comics/senior_year
23:23 WindHero gonna try making the rivers occasionally get hidden by the ground
23:24 twoelk hm does mt work as replacement for wow (in that joke)?
23:24 VanessaE twoelk: only if it runs dreambuilder ;)
23:24 Exio twoelk, online games for as replacement
23:25 twoelk internet the guarantee for safer sex and raising virgin age
23:26 Exio note: facebook doesn't count as online game
23:27 Exio actually, it makes stuff worse!
23:28 * WindHero shuns the book of face
23:29 WindHero hrngh, every time I try going beyond the point in the last pic I posted here, I mess something up
23:29 WindHero I think I'll work on another aspect and come back to rivers later.
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23:32 WindHero I'm calling the mg 'protogen', but it really should roflgen or failgen
23:34 twoelk reading mt-dev logs I now have official proof of what causes this: https://cdn.mediacru.sh/UVJju8J1LV4r.png
23:35 WindHero ?!
23:35 twoelk invivible flying islands http://imgur.com/upjvf46
23:35 twoelk *invisible
23:36 WindHero that's..... idk
23:37 twoelk so that's how you create skylands, turn cavegen in the sky to use stone for cave-air :-)  http://irc.minetest.ru/minet​est-dev/2014-08-11#i_3863277
23:38 twoelk haha http://i.imgur.com/ZU3F75t.png
23:40 WindHero rofl
23:42 WindHero dev logs: better entertainment than YouTube
23:42 twoelk hm, just today I visited some old mines on VE-survival that I had been sure had been mined clear of ores, yet they seemed to have regenerated with even more ores
23:42 WindHero but yes, twoelk, that is one way to make skylands, but in return you break cave generation
23:43 WindHero so it's safe to say that paramat and I use a completely different method ;)
23:43 twoelk just add a hight level for the switch of cave-air
23:45 twoelk but back to them mines on VES. so does mapgen repopulate allreaddy generated terrain?
23:45 WindHero so tell me, how do you plan to add biomes?
23:45 WindHero no, not that I know
23:45 twoelk look at the pics, mapgen adds some biome stuff
23:46 WindHero what about them savannas? :3
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23:46 WindHero or heaven realms?
23:46 WindHero it's surprising how even on well-travelled servers, people will still leave ores in cave walls alone
23:48 twoelk aw come on, I have spent hours in your skylands, they are great, so no fear
23:48 WindHero xD
23:49 WindHero sorry, no offense, I was merely having fun
23:49 WindHero (humor is so hard to get across on the internet)
23:49 WindHero glad to know you've been playing in the skylands though. :D
23:49 twoelk but the point with them regenerated cavewalls is, that sometimes cavegen in the air seems to munch it's way through built up areas doing mapgen-grieving
23:50 WindHero that's odd...
23:50 Sokomine cavegen is unstoppable once it's set loose. it munches through my villages as well
23:50 VanessaE it's hungry!
23:50 WindHero there is one thing that stops cavegen:
23:51 WindHero ...the timing xD
23:51 WindHero no really
23:51 * Sokomine feds some chests with stacks of cobble to the hungry caveben :-)
23:51 WindHero it's is_ground_content in the node defs
23:51 Sokomine is_ground_content is of limited help. i can't set that for all materials i use. some villages are built out of materials like stone, sandstone etc. - mapgen eats that
23:52 VanessaE use fake stone then :)
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23:52 Sokomine that would be an option. the drawback is that i'd have to define extra nodes - just to satisfy cavegen!
23:53 WindHero look at skylands, that one has to redefine SO MANY NODES D:
23:53 twoelk VE-almostvanilla had some severe griefing south of spawn, that by now I would clearly see as mapgen-grieving weeks after the region was beeing build apon by players
23:54 WindHero another way to stop cavegen:
23:54 WindHero use singlenode and a custom mapgen, like watershed
23:57 twoelk moving this building around with WE, I had lots of issues with cavegen in the air https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.ph​p?f=12&amp;t=7304&amp;p=150822#p150822
23:57 twoelk it munched away at the building and added grass toppings
23:58 Sokomine windhero: the point of mg_villages is to make the villages usable in any mapgen. in mg, they work fine already. that uses singlenode and a lua mapgen plus a diffrent cavegen
23:58 Sokomine twoelk: i can imagine. use //mtschemcreate instead of //save
23:59 WindHero Sokomine, I know, I wasn't saying that for your villages in particular
23:59 * twoelk likes the human readable format

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