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00:09 Zeno` Are you awake RealBadAngel?
00:09 Zeno` I'm looking at make_ltree() and those chances seem back to front to me :/
00:10 Zeno` the chance of inserting rule a is only 10% (based on the conditional being >=)
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00:13 Zeno` does anyone know where PseudoRandom is declared?
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00:15 ShadowNinja ''tell Jordach I have an alternative bot with a working tell plugin for now.  :-)
00:15 HLuaBot I'll tell that to "Jordach" next time I see them around.
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00:20 Zeno` RealBadAngel, is ps.next() (PseudoRandom) intentionally omitted in the first loop of make_ltree() ?
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00:40 hmmmm wow
00:40 hmmmm so that was it
00:40 hmmmm today was my last day of work
00:43 hmmmm feels kinda sad
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01:22 ShadowNinja hmmmm: What did you work for?  And what are you going to do now?
01:24 hmmmm the past year I worked on embedded real time nonsense for military aircraft communications, really neat projects but even better people
01:25 hmmmm now i'm going to be working on some sort of enterprise security product, nobody ever specified which piece i'll be working on specifically so i presume i'll be able to float around
01:25 hmmmm best part about it is, this new job is fully remote
01:25 hmmmm i just have to take a drive up to new england a few times a year
01:26 hmmmm more minetest time, yay
01:26 Zeno` are you prepared for that?
01:26 ShadowNinja Interesting.
01:26 hmmmm yeah i am
01:26 hmmmm so i'm moving back home on sunday
01:26 Zeno` I work remotely and it sounds great but there can be adjustments required :)
01:27 hmmmm perhaps, yeah.  i don't think it'll be much different from working on minetest though
01:27 Zeno` I actually have 2 computers... my "work one" and this one so I can separate work from play
01:27 Zeno` (I have more than 2 computers, but I'm simplifying heh)
01:27 hmmmm yeah, that's how i'm going to have it set up.  they're giving me a stipend to buy home office equipment, and I'll use the work computer separately for the home office tax break
01:27 Zeno` yeah, good plan
01:27 hmmmm it also helps that at home i have office furniture set up already in my room
01:27 hmmmm hahaha
01:30 Zeno` :)
01:30 Zeno` I actually do /all/ my 5 days work in 2 lol
01:30 Megaf sfan5; Hi there
01:31 Zeno` so I have 3 days off (well, I have to be available but I rarely do anything)
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01:41 domtron I was curious about something. Why does the minetest server keep track of inventory organization? for example I have a slow Internet connection. If I move an item stack from inventory slot A to slot B I have a short lag before the change is updated. It seems that the server should only care about how many slots are being used and what items they are. Not the specific item stack locations.
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02:13 isnotroot Is there an Gentoo ebuild or layman overlay for minetest?
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05:33 Ben_____ IIs there someone that can help me run minetest?
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05:44 MinetestBot GIT: sfan5 commited to Uberi/MineTest-WorldEdit: Fix typo in README https:/ 2014-07-12T07:42:38+02:00 http://git.io/zEEnQA
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05:52 Miner_48er is there another method to send player name with minetest:place_node?
05:53 Miner_48er to be compatible with areas
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06:23 sfan5 Miner_48er: send a player name with place_node?
06:23 sfan5 you want the mod getting the on_placenode action to think it was <player>?
06:24 Miner_48er yes for compatibility with areas
06:25 Miner_48er https://github.com/RHRhino/lan​tern/blob/master/init.lua#L86
06:25 sfan5 set_node is not affected by areas
06:25 Miner_48er replaced with place_node
06:26 sfan5 I don't think that is affected by it either
06:26 sfan5 areas only does something with actual players placing something
06:26 sfan5 mods can place nodes in any areas without restrictions
06:28 Miner_48er ACTION[ServerThread]:  tried to place lantern:fence_lampost at protected position (166,47,365)
06:28 sfan5 then don't use place_noe
06:28 sfan5 node*
06:30 Miner_48er what should I use?
06:33 Zeno` on_place maybe
06:33 Zeno` actually, after_place_node has the placer object as well
06:33 Zeno` what are you doing?
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06:36 Miner_48er removing set_node from this mod
06:37 Miner_48er to prevent griefing since it's multinode
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06:50 sfan5 Miner_48er: use minetest.is_protected()
06:52 Miner_48er would that be compatible with areas?
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07:36 Krock hi
07:39 Jordach i got up early again
07:39 Jordach wtf is wrong with me
07:40 Krock Jordach, just 1 minute later than me :P
07:40 Jordach Krock, i'll usually get up 1pm GMT+0
07:40 Krock Jordach, no lunch?
07:41 Jordach nope
07:41 Krock ugh...
07:41 Krock wait, that means, you have lunch
07:41 Krock no + no = yes
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07:53 Krock Interesting how much download sites use the User-Agent string... I'm getting 64-bit downloads now :3
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08:14 sfan5 Miner_48er: yes
08:16 sfan5 Jordach: what's your time zone (relative to cest)?
08:22 Jordach sfan5, i'm GMT+0 (London)
08:22 sfan5 (relative to cest)
08:22 sfan5 just tell me what time you have
08:22 Jordach 9:22am
08:22 sfan5 thats CEST-1
08:22 * sfan5 has CEST+0
08:23 * e1z0 has EEST+2
08:23 * Krock has KROCKTIME+0
08:24 * Krock meows af sfan5
08:25 * sfan5 purrs af Krock
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08:33 Calinou hi
08:33 Krock hi Calinou
08:34 * Calinou got “Trackmania 2 demo available” e-mail just as he plays Stunt Rally
08:35 e1z0 :O
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10:16 LemonLake ニャー
10:16 Hirato nyaa yourself
10:17 Hirato ニョロ
10:18 LemonLake niyoro?
10:18 Hirato that 'yo' is small
10:18 LemonLake nyoro
10:18 Hirato ヨ <- big yo ョ <-- little yo
10:18 Hirato yup
10:19 LemonLake can't tell at this font size
10:20 Hirato I only know enough japanese to say silly things like: りんごを食べて下さい
10:20 LemonLake ditto
10:21 LemonLake but im learning the language from a 'tourist standpoint' i suppose
10:21 LemonLake 猫 << sfan tought me that one
10:21 Krock ¥
10:21 Hirato tfw when chinese read it as 'mao'
10:23 Hirato ねこにペットする
10:23 LemonLake why not just use the kanji?
10:24 Hirato forgot to hit the compose key
10:24 Hirato haha
10:24 Hirato I'm not sure if I used the right particle either...
10:25 LemonLake what are you trying to say?
10:25 Hirato something about petting a cat
10:25 LemonLake i think that's correct
10:36 sfan5 LemonLake: *taught
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10:48 LemonLake sfan5: im tired k?
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11:00 sfan5 LemonLake: im kitten k?
11:00 LemonLake k
11:01 Zeno` I is kitten?
11:02 * sfan5 is a kitten
11:02 * sfan5 curls up to Zeno`'s lap
11:02 Zeno` lol
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11:05 LemonLake How can I set an item's velocity and have it slowly go down?
11:05 LemonLake Whenever I set the velocity/accell of one, it just flies off infinitely
11:06 * Krock is almost done which his own carts-rewrite
11:06 Krock LemonLake, use on_step and use self.object:setvelocity(vel)
11:06 LemonLake Wouldn't that require looping through the objects?
11:07 Krock nope
11:07 LemonLake Oh, set the on_step of the item itself?
11:07 Krock yes
11:07 Krock item...? object
11:08 LemonLake luaentitysao
11:08 Krock *entity
11:08 LemonLake of a dropped item
11:08 Krock oh
11:08 Krock if the collisionbox and so is too big, it won't stop
11:08 Krock I know that
11:08 Krock ehm.. no fix made so far
11:08 LemonLake damn
11:09 LemonLake I suppose in on_step I can just turn it's velocity down over time
11:10 LemonLake I'll just make my own version of the item_entity that does that
11:10 LemonLake swap them out in an abm
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11:11 LemonLake unless there's a way to change on_step during runtime?
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11:12 Krock nope, but you can override them at start
11:15 LemonLake so would it be wise to make a custom item_entity, and just swap them out when necessary?
11:15 * sfan5 meows at LemonLake
11:15 PenguinDad yay! https://mediacru.sh/8d411f16b934
11:16 LemonLake actually, i don't think there's a point
11:16 LemonLake i'll stick with move_to as ugly as it looks
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11:24 LemonLake hmm...
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11:25 LemonLake yep, gonna install mediawiki on my site
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11:26 LemonLake ^ love the name, markv
11:27 * joined_the_chan asks (m5|markv|markveidemanis|[marktwain]) to be unbanned
11:27 LemonLake banned?
11:27 joined_the_chan /mode #minetest +b
11:27 joined_the_chan * #minetest: *!*@unaffiliated/marktwain on Sat Jul 12 12:20:13 2014 by holmes.freenode.net
11:27 LemonLake why were you banned in the first place?
11:28 joined_the_chan I forgot
11:28 joined_the_chan Was a week ago
11:29 joined_the_chan It seems I was able to join with markv though
11:29 LemonLake hm
11:29 LemonLake okay
11:29 joined_the_chan http://www.lakelemon.org/
11:30 LemonLake http://lemonlake.nuclearstorm.net
11:30 LemonLake revamping that site, last used it 2 years ago
11:30 LemonLake and the webhost is going to buy me a domain soon as thanks for helping him
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11:30 LemonLake the site is slow atm because im doing a 7k file sftp transfer
11:30 orgnetcom Kewl
11:31 orgnetcom 7k?
11:31 orgnetcom Tiny
11:31 LemonLake mediawiki
11:31 LemonLake what, 7000 files?
11:31 orgnetcom Oh
11:31 orgnetcom ...
11:31 orgnetcom Not archived?
11:31 LemonLake that would've been smarter....
11:31 LemonLake im such a knob
11:32 orgnetcom lol
11:32 orgnetcom wget would have been smarter
11:32 LemonLake we're only halfway through the linux haul
11:32 orgnetcom I'm lucky to have cPanel
11:32 LemonLake haven't got that quite yet
11:33 LemonLake saturday i get ssh access to the centos
11:33 LemonLake right now he's running the ethernet throughout the entire setup
11:35 orgnetcom 10GB is surprisingly little...
11:35 orgnetcom What about DokuWiki?
11:53 LemonLake How can I make it so that you can place a node on the floor + walls + ceiling?
11:53 LemonLake It's sorta like a slab.
11:56 SylvieLorxu Eww, cPanel
11:56 SylvieLorxu I quite prefer a VPS with Vesta over cPanel any day :P
11:56 LemonLake I prefer SSH any day
11:56 SylvieLorxu SSH is nice, but adding mail adresses and so is easier with a control panel
11:56 SylvieLorxu And Vesta serves me quite well there
11:57 LemonLake Still
11:57 LemonLake that's just being lazy ;)
11:58 SylvieLorxu On the one hand, yes. On the other hand, clients can manage their domain then too :P
11:58 LemonLake yes, that's for clients.
11:58 SylvieLorxu And lazy sysadmins
11:59 SylvieLorxu Vesta isn't much more than a PHP front-end to a collection of shell scripts anyway, but it works well :P
12:03 orgnetcom vesta looks cool
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12:12 orgnetcom awesome
12:12 orgnetcom afain
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12:12 orgnetcom *again
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12:14 PenguinDad !help
12:14 MinetestBot https://github.com/sfan5/minetestb​ot-modules/blob/master/COMMANDS.md
12:14 LemonLake ummmm
12:14 LemonLake is it just me or did everyone just get netsplitted?
12:14 LemonLake FUUUEUUFEUUU
12:14 LemonLake am i high or something
12:14 LemonLake or did everyone just get netsplitted
12:14 PenguinDad LemonLake: that was a netsplit happens quite often
12:14 LemonLake duuude
12:14 SylvieLorxu LemonLake: Not everyone
12:14 LemonLake the nick list is all over the fucin place
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12:14 SylvieLorxu Only about 40 people
12:14 orgnetcom I connected to holmes a while ago
12:14 SylvieLorxu So about 40% of the chat
12:14 orgnetcom Found it was empty
12:14 LemonLake that's freaky
12:14 orgnetcom #freenode was conpletely empty
12:14 orgnetcom Also services gone
12:14 orgnetcom But people's rDNS is cool :P
12:14 LemonLake that's actually freaky
12:14 PenguinDad LemonLake: if you want to see big netsplits join #dogecoin at netsplit time
12:14 orgnetcom Pretty common
12:14 orgnetcom No, #ubuntu
12:14 orgnetcom is biggest channel
12:14 LemonLake in theory couldn't people abuse a netsplit to get on a private chan?
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12:14 orgnetcom #spam is invite only
12:14 orgnetcom So yes
12:14 orgnetcom Not that I ever have ^.^
12:14 SylvieLorxu LemonLake: How do you mean private?
12:14 orgnetcom Invite only
12:14 SylvieLorxu If a channel in invite-only then they can't AFAIK
12:14 orgnetcom * You have been kicked from #spam by ChanServ (Invite only channel)
12:14 PenguinDad orgnetcom: # is invite only too
12:14 LemonLake http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Split_riding
12:14 orgnetcom #asdfg
12:15 SylvieLorxu #aoeui
12:15 orgnetcom # is very private...
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12:15 orgnetcom http://www.jonobacon.org/2006/10/10​/how-not-to-get-banned-on-freenode/
12:17 LemonLake wait
12:17 LemonLake so is #asdfg like an fbi chan or somethin?
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12:19 orgnetcom ...
12:19 LemonLake reading the comments, i see
12:19 orgnetcom Corse
12:19 orgnetcom The FBI use freenode
12:19 LemonLake orgnetcom: i was jokin
12:19 orgnetcom No I can tell you the ip of their net
12:21 LemonLake wouldn't make a diff to me
12:21 orgnetcom irc.cit2.net
12:22 LemonLake umm
12:22 LemonLake isn't that a gta sa modding community?
12:23 orgnetcom ...
12:23 orgnetcom DogeCoin spams me
12:23 orgnetcom Or a late `on channel enter` message
12:23 LemonLake that's called advertising
12:25 orgnetcom no
12:25 orgnetcom -DogeCoin- _ Welcome to the Dogecoin IRC channel!
12:25 LemonLake I can't seem to figure out how to get the staticdata of an itementity, can someone help?
12:25 LemonLake I'm trying all sorts of function combinations etc
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12:34 LemonLake :/
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12:56 LemonLake oops
12:57 LemonLake forgot to remove the old itementity...
12:57 LemonLake world is now full of mossy cobblestone items
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13:14 * Krock wrote a more efficient carts mod but it's full of bugs :<
13:15 LemonLake :/
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13:19 LemonLake whoa
13:19 LemonLake the unknown entity texture freaked me out a little
13:19 LemonLake it looks fancy
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14:06 LemonLake Jordach: existant?
14:17 MinetestBot GIT: proller commited to minetest/minetest: Remove math mapgen 7df83c2 2014-07-12T18:15:55+04:00 http://git.io/31ZsOw
14:24 Krock ah.
14:25 * PenguinDad hugs Krock
14:25 MinetestBot GIT: proller commited to minetest/minetest: Remove indev mapgen 2d90aca 2014-07-12T18:21:54+04:00 http://git.io/1XeRfA
14:25 PenguinDad Finally!
14:25 * Krock hugs PenguinDad
14:26 Krock why?
14:26 PenguinDad Krock: https://github.com/SmallJoker/noisetest
14:26 Krock k
14:26 LemonLake ggg
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14:29 MinetestBot GIT: proller commited to minetest/minetest: Remove proller from credits 3feece1 2014-07-12T18:28:17+04:00 http://git.io/8mEuVA
14:31 LemonLake wat
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14:35 Krock why, proller?
14:36 Jordach LemonLake, yes
14:37 LemonLake Jordach: nvm anymore :P
14:37 Jordach was hunting down my old Yu-Gi-Oh cards
14:37 Jordach btw, i looked at real animated water today, as seen in my last post
14:37 Jordach and the two look almost identical in pattern shape
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14:38 LemonLake I'm still trying to think of what to do for my next anime wallpaper
14:39 * Calinou gives LemonLake 3 copper coins
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14:39 LemonLake probably Kotoura-San
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14:40 SylvieLorxu http://www.1111comics.me/comic/99/
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14:49 kaeza mornings
14:49 LemonLake goodmorning
14:49 Jordach wow i'm rusty
14:49 Jordach LemonLake, sfan5; my local city has an anime store
14:50 LemonLake Jordach: whats it called?
14:50 sfan5 o.O
14:50 Krock moin kaeza
14:51 LemonLake CeX sells -some- anime iirc
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14:55 Jordach http://www.komikku.co.uk/ <- LemonLake
14:56 sfan5 'We will be back as soon as possible. Please check back soon.'
14:56 sfan5 lol
14:56 Jordach sfan5, instore is just as good :P
14:56 sfan5 I'm not in the UK you know..
14:56 LemonLake lol
14:57 LemonLake Jordach: that's a 2 1/4 hr drive from my house in current traffic
14:57 Jordach LemonLake, you can move in if you pay rent :3
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15:05 twoelk Lemonlake: A little pic showing about as far as I ever whent drawing Japanes style ;-) http://www.woelknet.de/pages​2/pics/Lightbearer-edit2.gif
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15:14 * Krock knows twoelk's name now
15:15 twoelk never was a secret
15:18 twoelk just noticed that homepage has one of my rare experiments with drawing with mouse freehand http://www.woelknet.de/pagesold/images/Pastorf.gif
15:20 sfan5 .gif?
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15:22 twoelk yeah lossfree, small and animatable - sigh - long time ago
15:23 * sfan5 throws apng at twoelk
15:24 twoelk did I mention "a long time ago"? these pics where made in the last century :-(
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15:27 twoelk Watch the picture at the bottom of the page: http://www.woelknet.de/pagesold/kirchen/HL-Mar.htm
15:29 kaeza is apng widely supported yet?
15:29 MinetestBot GIT: sfan5 commited to minetest/master-server: Disable source IP check because it causes problems (see minetest/minetest#1471) 757e186 2014-07-12T17:26:16+02:00 http://git.io/aoqktQ
15:29 PenguinDad s/century/millennium/
15:29 sfan5 kaeza: no
15:29 CWz R.I.P  indev and math mapgen
15:29 Calinou and RIP proller too, he's no longer counted as a contributor
15:30 Calinou CWz, math frequently segfaulted for me, indev wasn't of much use
15:30 Jordach Calinou, no need to worry about him
15:30 Jordach he's an ass
15:30 Calinou we have v6, v7, singlenode, good enough
15:30 Calinou kind of, sometimes
15:30 Jordach write a mod to regain functions if you want
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15:31 Krock Jordach, you're kind :)
15:31 Krock <Jordach>he's an ass
15:32 sfan5 Jordach is always kins
15:32 sfan5 kind*
15:32 CWz what was the difference between  v6 and indev, other then floatlands and bigger caves?
15:33 sfan5 nothing
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15:36 Calinou the map was more hilly near the edges of the world
15:37 Calinou very hilly at ~30000
15:37 Calinou fairly hilly at ~4000
15:37 Calinou exactly like v6 at 0-1000
15:38 * Krock looks at text above and wants indev back
15:40 Calinou it was extremely annoying
15:40 Calinou it made the sides of the map unusable and looking like the versions of Minetest from October-November 2010
15:46 Krock so, there already as a indev-like mapgen in 2010?
15:48 Calinou no, but it was hilly as hell
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15:49 VanessaE hi all
15:49 kaeza mornings V
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15:50 Jordach_ wat the fack
15:50 Jordach_ why did irc just crash D:
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15:50 VanessaE hey kaeza
15:50 * kaeza is creating a GUI toolkit for pygame
15:50 VanessaE Jordach_: when doesn't it? :P
15:50 kaeza designing an EntryBox is a PITA :I
15:51 Calinou hi VanessaE
15:51 VanessaE greetz Calinou
15:51 VanessaE Calinou: blockmen doesn't like my "dark, looks like an actual 19th century steel ingot" ingot :(
15:52 Calinou well, BlockMen wants Minecraft
15:52 Jordach_ VanessaE, this isn't realtest
15:52 VanessaE https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/pull/271
15:52 VanessaE Jordach_: ehm, see there ^^^
15:52 Calinou contrary to common belief, ingots are not excessively shiny
15:52 VanessaE Calinou: I know.
15:53 VanessaE hence why I varied the luster according to the metal I was making them for.
15:53 Jordach 11 hours 12 minutes render
15:53 Jordach bring it on i say :3
15:53 Calinou if it doesn't shibe, then it's lackluster
15:53 Jordach i have wii sports, i'll be fine :3
15:53 Calinou (-:
15:53 Calinou Jordach, use Tesseract :3
15:53 Jordach feck off
15:54 Jordach i like my raytracer
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15:54 Jordach and you try getting my near perfect models working in it :3
15:54 kaeza I personally like the dark steel ingots more
15:54 * Krock would like to see a pull request like that one on his game :(
15:55 Krock eh. none cares
15:55 kaeza actually, I don't know why smelting iron yields steel right-away
15:55 Krock cuz iron isn't enough robust
15:56 * kaeza likes the technic way, with different kinds of iron/steel
15:56 Calinou pull requests are not entirely funny
15:56 Calinou people don't respect conventions, make crappy textures, or both at the same time
15:57 Calinou or they don't balance the stuff at all
15:57 Calinou Carbone's never had a PR yet and I don't particularly seek them (but you can make one if you want, it's on Gitorious)
15:58 VanessaE kaeza: see my comment - imho our "steel" ingot is more like pig iron anyway, given how we make it
15:58 kaeza ^that
16:00 kaeza but it seems everyone ignores these complaints in the grounds of "this is not reality, this is a game"
16:00 VanessaE right
16:00 VanessaE but I'm basing this on what we actually DO in the game now
16:00 VanessaE asin, not reality
16:00 VanessaE but actual gameplay
16:00 VanessaE we don't make steel when we smelt iron in a furnace
16:00 VanessaE we just call it that.
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16:01 twoelk too much realism makes gameplay cumbersome
16:01 VanessaE twoelk: sure, but we're just talking about the texture for an existing craftitem.
16:02 VanessaE twoelk: not any change whatsoever to the existing gameplay.
16:02 Calinou twoelk, exactly what Carbone tries to avoid :P
16:02 Krock just do it in between of that brown and silver
16:02 kaeza twoelk, sure, but then, too little realism also carries other problems ("fuck common sense" anyone?)
16:03 VanessaE twoelk: iron + fuel --> furnace --> "steel ingot" but it looks more like a silver ingot the way the texture is drawn.  I just changed it to look more like a raw, low-quality steel ingot.  that's all.
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16:04 twoelk well the stuff at the smithy seldom looks all shiney
16:04 twoelk polishing comes later
16:05 VanessaE exactly my point.
16:05 VanessaE read the issue and comment on it :)
16:05 VanessaE and yes, I will argue to the death over a single 16px texture :)
16:06 * twoelk still tries to stay away from github
16:06 Calinou stay close to Gitorious then
16:07 VanessaE well the issue is on github because the code is there, I can't change that :P
16:07 PenguinDad hmm, I always thought minetest's steel is more like sponge iron than pig iron
16:09 Krock Calinou, what's the functional difference between those git* sites?
16:09 Calinou they don't have the same feature set, depending on pricing, they have different looks
16:10 Calinou some release their backend, some don't
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16:24 Krock k
16:28 twoelk thinking about the "icon", it is above all a symbol in a "gaming-language", so to function it should firstly achieve to be understood according to the "common-language" of games and realism should come after that. Oh well - nothing new I guess
16:30 twoelk and way to theoretical to be helpfull ;-P
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16:41 BlockMen http://irc.minetest.ru/min​etest/2014-07-12#i_3810540 lol
16:41 BlockMen funny that you are saying this
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16:48 kaeza Krock, you use MSVC?
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16:49 Krock kaeza, no. my builds topic sais "MaxGW"
16:49 kaeza ah :/
16:50 kaeza wish I could get my wireless modem working again on Linux
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16:52 kaeza ah fek, I'm going back to 'buntu 12.04
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16:55 fireglow Hi, yesterday I've wanted to migrate from freeminer to minetest, today I've finally gotten around to it. I'm facing a problem, the minetestserver can't determine the gametype: http://bpaste.net/show/UC7AYqeJVZaUvtSosHpq/
16:55 fireglow what can I do?
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16:56 Krock Using world gameid []
16:56 Krock what does map_meta contain?
16:56 Krock * world.mt
16:56 PenguinDad fireglow: what's in your world.mt
16:57 PenguinDad +?
16:57 Krock ninja'd
16:57 fireglow Krock: http://bpaste.net/show/b7NUw55ByBfmJW1Zlrmt/
16:57 Krock <Krock>* world.mt
16:57 fireglow PenguinDad: http://bpaste.net/show/ihdZNu4aFc6AUjm76qI2/
16:58 fireglow & Krock =)
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16:58 fireglow right, change 'default' to 'minetest'?
16:58 Krock yes, try that
16:58 fireglow okay
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16:59 fireglow okay, it started! I'll try to connect
17:01 fireglow woot, works!
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17:01 fireglow haha, I didnt' disable fire, now all the things are on fire
17:02 fireglow it's alright, it's only a snapshot
17:02 rubenwardy Hi all!
17:03 Calinou Carbone's fire is quite nerfed :p
17:03 Calinou default fire is quite insane when it comes to spreading
17:03 fireglow yeah :D
17:04 fireglow I'll check out Carbone later
17:10 fireglow if this migration holds up, it was surprisingly painless to do
17:16 fireglow can the minetest client display the playerlist somehow? Like, upon pressing Tab or something?
17:17 Calinou no, you have to type /status
17:17 Calinou look at the right of the status line
17:17 BlockMen fireglow, currently not. there are to pulls for that
17:17 fireglow alright, cool, thanks
17:20 fireglow okay, I need help with this finite_liquid business... what does it actually do?
17:20 fireglow do I even need to bother about it?
17:21 fireglow does it mean that a water_source block doesn't spawn an infinite amout of water_flowing, or even other water_sources?
17:23 PenguinDad fireglow: since the lastest minetest version doesn't contain finite_liquid anymore you shouldn't have to worry about that
17:23 PenguinDad *latest
17:24 fireglow okay, cool
17:24 fireglow does a cave dug into an ocean still fill up the whole cave system underneath?
17:25 LemonLake hi everyone
17:26 LemonLake does anyone have any ideas for factory?
17:27 werwerwer fear factory
17:27 LemonLake hm?
17:28 werwerwer heavy metal band, neverming, tried to make a joke
17:28 werwerwer *nevermind
17:28 LemonLake ah okay
17:28 LemonLake im not up-to-date with my bands :p
17:31 LemonLake hmm...maybe liquid storage?
17:31 LemonLake like portable liquid drums
17:31 LemonLake using glasslike_framed
17:32 * Krock points at Jordach's stroage nodes
17:33 LemonLake i don't like jordach's version
17:33 LemonLake glasslike is much more efficient
17:35 Calinou glasslike_framed is almost as fast to render
17:36 Calinou you can use two textures to make connected glass
17:36 Krock https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=3&amp;t=9741 lol, the 1st answer came from someonewho registered 1minute after the post was written
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17:37 coeus anyone else getting an error when trying to create a new world in singleplayer?
17:37 LemonLake no
17:37 Calinou coeus, what error?
17:37 LemonLake Krock: 4 minutes*
17:38 LemonLake wait, i see
17:38 Calinou make sure the path to your Minetest directory has no weird characters, like äâö or spaces
17:38 LemonLake that's coo
17:38 coeus "no world name given or no world selected"
17:38 LemonLake coeus: tried putting in a world name?
17:38 Krock create a world? :3
17:39 coeus yea, I assume it is trying to connect to the new world before it technicaly creates it
17:39 LemonLake pressing 'play game' doesn't create a world
17:39 LemonLake you have to actually make one first
17:39 coeus this is from a fresh install through repositories in arch
17:39 Krock you must create a new world before trying to join one :3
17:40 coeus new> [enter name] create> error
17:40 Krock hmm and it's minetest 0.4.10?
17:41 coeus yes, installed about 30 min ago
17:41 Krock hmm, what does your debug.txt say?
17:41 coeus nothing about it
17:42 coeus a few things showed up when I joined a server (which worked fine)
17:42 * Krock can't help anymore - never got this error
17:42 LemonLake ^
17:42 coeus yea I can't find anything about it anywhere
17:42 LemonLake what game are you making the world under?
17:42 LemonLake minetest_game?
17:43 coeus yep
17:43 coeus I haven't changed anything since installing
17:44 Krock can you provide us the full that to your "worlds" folder?
17:44 Krock çpath
17:44 Krock **
17:44 coeus give me a min to find it
17:44 Calinou don't put your Minetest directory in Program Files
17:45 Calinou on Windows, you could put it in C:\Games
17:45 Calinou (create the Games directory if needed)
17:45 coeus on linux
17:45 LemonLake ^
17:45 LemonLake <coeus> this is from a fresh install through repositories in arch
17:45 LemonLake "in arch"
17:46 coeus archbang specifically
17:46 LemonLake bang bang
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17:46 * LemonLake adds one single node
17:46 LemonLake - error
17:47 LemonLake am i that shit...
17:48 jp Hello.
17:48 jp On Lubuntu 12.04 : http://pastebin.com/fzQugyHW
17:48 LemonLake glasslike_framed: just looks cool. https://cdn.mediacru.sh/2FE2WedpqVQ_.png
17:48 Krock +1 Calinou. you think of windows in first case
17:48 LemonLake Krock: well, most players are on linux.
17:48 LemonLake s/linux/windows
17:49 Krock ..or on tablets
17:49 LemonLake true dat
17:49 fireglow FreeBSD representin
17:49 Krock I've the feeling, 2/3 of the players are on a tablet...or they're just stupid
17:49 coeus I don't believe it has created a worlds folder yet (I haven't actually created any worlds yet), I've ran minetest before (new OS install) and I was thinking it was in home/.minetest but I'm not finding it there or in /usr/share/minetest
17:50 Krock jp, seems like X is broken
17:50 jp or GLX missing, idk
17:51 PenguinDad Krock: I bet they're both
17:51 Krock possible.
17:51 Krock btw, minetest doesn't run on windows 2000, tested that a week ago
17:52 LemonLake i tried it on 3.1
17:52 LemonLake not enough memory
17:52 Krock awww
17:52 LemonLake that's my only windows
17:52 LemonLake so i have to use linux >.<
17:52 Krock why?
17:52 LemonLake because i have enough memory on linux
17:52 Krock why "I have to use"?
17:52 coeus are you sad you have to use linux?
17:53 LemonLake no
17:53 LemonLake linux is beast
17:53 LemonLake its like
17:53 LemonLake cool
17:53 Krock ah. it seem'd like you don't like it
17:53 LemonLake of course i like linux, it has screen resolutions and stuff
17:54 coeus I like that for the most part everything is plug-n-play, no installing countless drivers
17:54 LemonLake yep
17:54 LemonLake except sound drivers
17:54 LemonLake thats complicicated
17:54 coeus I've never had an issue
17:54 Krock I <3 message from ingame, like "Use /spawn to spawn" and the answer either "\spawn" or "doesn't work"
17:56 coeus could someone verify where the worlds folder should be located in linux? also the file format for the world files?
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17:57 Krock files have diffrent formats
17:57 Calinou a kernel is plug-n-play
17:58 Calinou <Krock> I've the feeling, 2/3 of the players are on a tablet...or they're just stupid
17:58 Calinou yeah… some people keep seeing Minetest servers as dating services, it's worse than Minecraft even
17:58 coeus the world files should all have the same format for minetest...
17:58 Calinou disallow empty passwords, enable strict protocol check, disallow Guest names
17:58 Calinou and you'll have some less immature people already
17:58 Krock haven't had much dating so far.. most annoying are double-accounts
17:59 Calinou it's trollish dating, not the kind of dating you expect
17:59 Krock added now a command to track ips... I hope this helps
18:01 PenguinDad coeus: the map files can be saved in three formats atm
18:02 jp Calinou : your nickname itself is dating :p
18:03 Jordach gah
18:03 * Jordach can't stop burpin
18:05 coeus well if the world files can be saved in different formats can I get one of them? also a verification on where the folder should be located?
18:06 Calinou different formats? Minetest handles 3 database formats, but only SQLite is used by default, so all your worlds will be in that format
18:06 PenguinDad coeus: they are normally located in ~/.minetest/worlds/
18:08 coeus my plan is to make a dummy file that obviously won't work as it will be empty, but hopefully will give me another error that might give me a better idea how to fix it or maybe trick it into at least creating a new world
18:09 coeus since I can't find anything about the error anywhere else
18:09 Calinou maybe get a Git build and compile it
18:09 Calinou without using packages
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18:12 hoodedice https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commi​t/3feece1f2887eda368c0a9e42e3ab26b4b754354 Wut?
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18:13 PenguinDad hoodedice: also known as "git commit suicide" :P
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18:14 LemonLake PenguinDad: can you explain pls?
18:16 hoodedice hahahah
18:18 * Jordach attempts to make a shader
18:19 Krock hoodedice, cuz he is no longer a contributor of MT
18:20 VanessaE because he threw a hissy fit over the whole weather/finite water thing
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18:28 Krock well, adding and removing wasn't really needed..
18:29 hoodedice Yo Amaz_ long time no see mate
18:29 hoodedice Van, fit over removal?
18:30 LemonLake https://cdn.mediacru.sh/eFuf2R-OG0ru.png Progress is being made
18:30 LemonLake Hi Amaz_!
18:30 hoodedice Krock, then his name would go into "Preious Contributors"
18:30 LemonLake VanessaE: weather/finite water thing?
18:30 Krock hoodedice, well he removed it by himself...
18:30 hoodedice Even failed contribs are important, because, well, we know what not to do haha
18:30 LemonLake lol
18:31 VanessaE LemonLake: trust me, don't ask....
18:31 hoodedice In any case, I don't see weather as "failed"
18:31 hoodedice I liked finite water too, but... We all know how "finite" really it is...
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18:32 hoodedice Van, I thought weather and finite was removed by the MT devs?
18:32 Krock he removed it self.
18:32 VanessaE yeah, by proller.
18:32 LemonLake lol
18:32 LemonLake so childis
18:32 LemonLake +h
18:33 hoodedice Weird.
18:33 hoodedice I'll just go ahead and add it back, just to piss him off =P
18:33 LemonLake nah
18:34 LemonLake well, his name in previous contribs would be aight imo
18:34 LemonLake do you reckon he'd still work on freeminer? xD
18:35 Calinou finite was completly broken and sucked, so it's deserved, but weather could have had some work to make it nice
18:36 Calinou (I'd like some cloudiness setting, which would vary randomly between 0 and 3, decreasing light level and making the sky more grey)
18:36 Calinou something very simple to make the world more lively
18:36 * Jordach wonders why RBA hasn't made any docs on Minetest's shader system
18:36 LemonLake im about to test out freeminer for the first time ever
18:36 LemonLake i wanna see what its really about
18:36 LemonLake i aint gonna ditch mt tho
18:36 LemonLake no matter how good it is
18:37 hoodedice Jordach, there is no need for docs on MT shaders IMO
18:37 LemonLake ^
18:37 hoodedice Do you even GLSL?
18:37 LemonLake exactly
18:37 hoodedice I don't.
18:37 * hoodedice laughs at Lemon.
18:37 * LemonLake laughs with hoodedice at Lemon.
18:38 Jordach and i finally worked out why shaders are slw
18:38 hoodedice slw?
18:38 Jordach slow*
18:38 hoodedice VanessaE == Novatux?
18:38 hoodedice hmm, why?
18:38 Jordach hoodedice, nope
18:39 Jordach hoodedice, because it uses so many useless hacks and other things passed around, it's rediculous
18:39 PenguinDad hoodedice: Novatux == nore
18:39 VanessaE nope
18:39 hoodedice Well, nore made a commit to minetest_game, and VanessaE comments on it in a way that made me feel so
18:40 Krock teamwork?
18:40 hoodedice Well, could be that Van guided Novatux on making that
18:40 LemonLake usually in commit commits devs all talk like the same person
18:40 hoodedice Yes, thank you Krock
18:40 LemonLake freeminer's menu is actually alright
18:40 Jordach i'm still waiting for real documentation on shaders
18:40 Jordach not just some source code comments
18:41 VanessaE hoodedice: you mean those textures.  that's because he did one, I did others based on it, then he committed/pull-requested them.
18:41 hoodedice Jordach, which CPU did you have again?
18:41 LemonLake apart form that, it feels just like another minetest_game
18:41 hoodedice Ah, that makes sense, Van.
18:41 Jordach hoodedice, AMD A10 APU 6800K
18:41 LemonLake with a better worldgen
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18:41 hoodedice Jordach, OC'd?
18:41 LemonLake and with really crap rain
18:41 LemonLake and it rains in a desert ø.ø
18:42 LemonLake there's random dirt appearing in the desert, and buged out water
18:42 hoodedice TBH, the only thing I like about FM is the website design (which used to be the old MT website) and the menu.
18:42 LemonLake yep
18:42 PenguinDad Jordach: here's some shader documntation https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/GLSL_Programming
18:42 hoodedice ^LOL
18:43 hoodedice And Jordach, while you're at it, also port it to HLSL
18:43 LemonLake okay, i've had enough of freeminer
18:43 LemonLake minetest is fine as it iss
18:43 Jordach PenguinDad, our own engine which has said things that need to be passed on are not explained
18:43 LemonLake Jordach: just look at other shaders
18:43 Jordach it's named x because it doesn't actually do x
18:44 Jordach and you might attract someone who's actually capable of writing SEUS
18:45 PenguinDad SEUS?
18:45 LemonLake minecraft shaders
18:45 LemonLake you don't need to write them
18:45 LemonLake just copy them over and change a few little things
18:45 Jordach LemonLake, wrong so fucking wrong
18:45 LemonLake problem is tho, seus is laggier than far cry 3 on max settings on most machines
18:46 LemonLake it's so poorly written
18:46 Jordach wtf is this used for varying vec3 tsLightVec;
18:46 hoodedice yeah, MT shaders are actually prett light
18:46 Jordach what happened to commenting your fucking code
18:46 LemonLake (facepalm)
18:47 hoodedice Jordach, it's better if you get in touch with RBA personally
18:47 Jordach hoodedice, bullshit
18:47 hoodedice Not at all
18:47 Jordach spends more time recoding half the engine for a shader when all material points should be exposed
18:48 kaeza x += 1; // Increment the x variable by one. This is an useful comment.
18:48 hoodedice ^
18:48 hoodedice Jordach, point me to the code you're looking at on GitHub
18:49 LemonLake well hey, i've got pulseaudio working like a charm again
18:49 LemonLake seems that the problem the entire time was just skype
18:49 Jordach https://github.com/minetest/minetes​t/blob/master/client/shaders/nodes_​shader/opengl_vertex.glsl#L33-105
18:49 Jordach ^ look at that mess
18:49 hoodedice > skype
18:49 hoodedice > SKYPE
18:49 hoodedice How can you live?!
18:50 LemonLake i think for skype i'm just gonna redirect my android sound to linux with bluetooth
18:50 LemonLake and vice-versa for the mic
18:50 LemonLake that would be more efficient than actually using skype on linux
18:50 LemonLake (yes, it's that bad0
18:50 hoodedice > Skype
18:50 hoodedice > On android.
18:50 LemonLake skype on android is worse.
18:51 hoodedice HOW CAN YOU USE YOUR PHONE?!
18:51 LemonLake but calls work better than linux
18:51 hoodedice Dude
18:51 LemonLake chat never updates correctly
18:51 LemonLake on either systems
18:51 hoodedice Skype sucks. Even on windows.
18:51 hoodedice I use hangouts
18:51 LemonLake skype works perfectly on windows
18:51 LemonLake hangouts is by google.
18:51 LemonLake never trust google.
18:51 hoodedice It doesn't suck my battery on phone
18:51 Jordach LemonLake, why bother
18:51 alket how to walk down the ladder ?
18:51 hoodedice > Uses android phone
18:51 Jordach if NSA already has it via CPU backdoors
18:51 hoodedice > Don't trust google.
18:51 Jordach when why should you give a shit
18:51 hoodedice alket, Shift
18:51 LemonLake hoodedice: better than apple's shitphone
18:51 alket hoodedice: thanks
18:52 LemonLake just use a shitload of custom software on it
18:52 hoodedice Everything is better than the iPhony
18:52 LemonLake google problem gone
18:52 Jordach LemonLake, actually Apple won't let spies access a iOS device
18:52 PenguinDad skype is by microsoft, never trust microsoft
18:52 LemonLake my problem with google hangouts though isn't actually google
18:52 LemonLake either way
18:52 LemonLake </flamewar>
18:52 LemonLake stfu
18:53 hoodedice Especially the Nokia 3220: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMDypWJmH_I
18:54 hoodedice Now there is something a smartphone can't do
18:55 rubenwardy https://github.com/rubenwardy/N​odeBoxEditor/issues/milestones XD
18:56 hoodedice rubenwardy, 30 July?
18:56 hoodedice Too Soon.
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18:56 * hoodedice wonders where everyone went
18:56 LemonLake still here
18:57 hoodedice I thought you all got hypnotised or something by the 3220
18:57 rubenwardy I am currently working on the texture tool, which will take another 3 days. Then I have a lot of bug fixing and polishing.
18:58 rubenwardy I also need to work out how to use zlib or bzip.
18:59 LemonLake hoodedice: thats just irc
18:59 LemonLake we get to the point where we no longer give any fucks
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19:02 hoodedice I forgot how to git
19:02 Jordach git add .
19:02 Jordach git add *
19:02 hoodedice updating packages it git fetch and git pull, rite?
19:02 LemonLake i always forget how to git
19:02 Jordach git commit -m 'message'
19:02 Jordach git push
19:02 hoodedice JD, I just need to update my local rep
19:03 rubenwardy it is git add .
19:03 PenguinDad hoodedice: git pull --rebase should work
19:06 * Jordach starts the twin 120mm fans at full power
19:06 hoodedice how the heck do I have a bin folder in my Source folder?! DELETE EVERYTHING
19:06 Calinou git commit -am "Add this."
19:06 Calinou -a adds all
19:06 Krock hoodedice, there goes my minetest.exe when it's done...
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19:07 LemonLake Jordach: it's like surfing
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19:09 LemonLake http://pastie.org/9381855 Would you say this is efficient?
19:09 hoodedice I think there is a way to put build output in another directory...
19:09 LemonLake This is how to add custom liquids to storage tanks in factory.
19:09 PenguinDad Calinou: -a doesn't add new files
19:11 Miner_48er what is an accepted name in the minetest.is_protected method?
19:12 Calinou PenguinDad, ah, right
19:12 Calinou Miner_48er, http://dev.minetest.net/minetest.is_protected
19:13 Miner_48er placer:get_player_name()?
19:14 LemonLake is_protected basically checks if playername can place a node there
19:14 LemonLake or remove it, whatever
19:14 LemonLake so the player in question, so yes, placer:get_player_name()
19:16 LemonLake now the fun bit...coding the tanks
19:18 PenguinDad LemonLake: won't be that hard with glasslike_framed
19:18 LemonLake nope
19:18 LemonLake it's just a little bit of metadata
19:20 ThatGraemeGuy VanessaE: are you around by any chance?
19:21 hoodedice LemonLake, Steal Jordach's tank code
19:21 LemonLake hoodedice: no, i know what im doing
19:21 LemonLake jordach's tank code is just inefficient
19:21 hoodedice =O
19:21 LemonLake all i need to do is work out node metadata and item metadata, then im set
19:22 LemonLake the node will have metadata, then when dug, said metadata will be transfered to the itemstack
19:22 LemonLake and the itemstack will hold the data itself, and vice versa when placed
19:23 hoodedice Intel says my processor has two cores and two threads. Does it mean that I have four threads in total?
19:24 LemonLake yep
19:25 PenguinDad hoodedice: just do lscpu and look at the CPU(s) value
19:26 hoodedice ohshit.jpg
19:26 hoodedice threads per core is 1.
19:26 hoodedice PenguinDad, would make -j4 kill my system if my system has only 2 threads?
19:27 LemonLake not necessarily, it just wouldn't be faster
19:27 PenguinDad hoodedice: it wouldn't kill it but it would be slower
19:28 hoodedice Lemon, what CPU do you have?
19:28 LemonLake hm
19:29 LemonLake i don't think that's entirely true
19:29 LemonLake my CPU(s) is 4 and thread(s) per core is 1
19:29 LemonLake yet -j16 is WAAY faster than -j4
19:29 LemonLake AMD Phenom II x4 840 3.2GHz
19:30 PenguinDad I just have a normal AMD Phenom(tm) II X6 1100T Processor
19:31 LemonLake x6? nice
19:31 hoodedice !g X 61100T
19:31 MinetestBot hoodedice: http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?sect​ion=gov&amp;group=61001-62000&amp;file=61100-61107
19:31 LemonLake can nodes have wear?
19:31 LemonLake (itemstack wear)
19:31 hoodedice !g X6 1100T
19:31 MinetestBot hoodedice: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Pr​oduct.aspx?Item=N82E16819103913
19:35 hoodedice I have been looking at AMD APUs for a long time
19:35 hoodedice And I've begun to think that they are not worth it =/
19:38 * PenguinDad still prefers AMD [A|C]PUs over Intel [A|C]PUs
19:40 hoodedice I doo too
19:40 hoodedice I was just going at APUs vs CPUs
19:40 hoodedice If I buy an APU, which does have better architecture than current AMD CPUs
19:40 hoodedice I will be stuck with an R7 250
19:41 hoodedice And if I buy another R7 250 to crossfire it
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19:41 hoodedice I still won't get THAT much power, if I bought an R9 instead, but if I did that, the R7 in the APU would be useless...
20:06 LemonLake Okay, so,
20:06 LemonLake can itemstacks of nodes have wear?
20:08 Calinou CF increases latency and has tons of problems, just like SLI – don't do it
20:09 Calinou hoodedice, AMD APUs are quite bad anyway
20:09 Calinou just go for Intel…
20:09 Calinou <LemonLake> yet -j16 is WAAY faster than -j4
20:09 Calinou eats more RAM?
20:09 LemonLake not an issue, really
20:09 Calinou hoodedice, you can't crossfire an integrated and dedicated GPU anyway
20:09 LemonLake i rarely run many apps at once
20:09 Calinou (Dual Graphics no longer works, it was marketing BS anyway)
20:10 LemonLake actually, I think I'll just have an item for tanks with storage
20:10 LemonLake and use an inventory image on the node itself
20:12 Megaf_ sfan5; sapier; Can you please make a link that points to the latest Androids builds?
20:14 PenguinDad Megaf_: https://github.com/minetest/​minetest/releases/tag/0.4.10
20:17 Megaf_ I mean, latest download link
20:19 Krock forums.
20:19 PenguinDad Megaf_: is it really that hard to find the apk? https://github.com/minetest/minete​st/releases/download/0.4.10/Minete​st-0.4.10-android-armeabi.apk.zip
20:19 Megaf_ You don't get me
20:21 Jordach 38.3% finished of this render
20:32 MinetestBot GIT: Uberi commited to Uberi/MineTest-WorldEdit: Merge pull request #51 from cyisfor/master https:/ 2014-07-12T16:31:27-04:00 http://git.io/-Zx0ag
20:32 LemonLake can someone explain to me how to set the metadata of a node?
20:34 Megaf_ VanessaE; Is there anything like bone meal for moretrees?
20:34 LemonLake Megaf_: there's a bonemeal mod
20:34 Megaf_ and will that work with moretrees?
20:34 LemonLake look for yourself
20:35 Megaf_ !title https://forum.minetest.net/search.p​hp?keywords=bonemeal&amp;sr=topics
20:35 MinetestBot Megaf_: Search - Minetest Forums
20:35 LemonLake nvm, think I've figured it out
20:36 LemonLake Megaf_: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5429
20:36 VanessaE Megaf_: no, moretrees doesn't use anything like that
20:36 LemonLake I'm sure it can easily be modified to support moretrees.
20:37 VanessaE though there's nothing theoretically stopping such a thing from working; bushes_classic grows its bushes faster on wet farming soil than on any other surface
20:37 MinetestBot GIT: Uberi commited to Uberi/MineTest-WorldEdit: Coding style updates. https:/ 2014-07-12T16:35:59-04:00 http://git.io/5ligIA
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20:37 Calinou <Jordach> 38.3% finished of this render
20:37 Calinou Blender lets you see progress?
20:37 Jordach Calinou, http://wolframalpha.com
20:37 LemonLake percent
20:38 VanessaE it's just a matter of skipping every Xth ABM call if there's no bone meal/proper surface/whatever in effect for a given seedling/sapling.
20:38 Jordach current frame/total frames as percentage
20:38 Jordach ^ exact query
20:38 LemonLake ^
20:38 Jordach bah. render finishes at 4am D:
20:38 LemonLake wow, you're computer is reaally slow
20:39 Jordach LemonLake, try actual raytracing :P
20:39 LemonLake ah, raytracing.
20:39 MinetestBot GIT: Uberi commited to Jeija/minetest-mod-mesecons: Merge pull request #168 from ShadowNinja/fix-commandblock-quit 0c62545 2014-07-12T16:39:06-04:00 http://git.io/8RXgZg
20:39 LemonLake makes sense now.
20:39 Jordach all four cores are active, as well as decent quality shadow sampling
20:39 Jordach (because noise(
20:42 * Jordach likes the look of this
20:43 Calinou https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=9&amp;t=9724 → nice explanation of Minetest features
20:43 Calinou the new ingots: https://cdn.mediacru.sh/doWlKTzWK9Go.jpg
20:44 VanessaE :D
20:44 Jordach not sure if looking like shit
20:44 Jordach or actually really well drawn
20:44 LemonLake i like the new ingots
20:44 Jordach (i'm too used to the old skool stuff)
20:44 LemonLake they're real nice
20:50 Calinou I reached 2500 posts on forum recently
20:51 PenguinDad lol I just made a redstone texture out of copper
20:53 Calinou how does it look? upload it somewhere ;)
20:54 Calinou I think we could have a database of block and item textures, for use by mods
20:54 Calinou so that modders who want textures quickly could get it from the database
20:55 VanessaE that's easy, just get them from my remote media server :P
20:55 VanessaE not that there's any license info :P
20:56 PenguinDad Calinou: https://cdn.mediacru.sh/i0zbPZ_RBEoB.png
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20:58 LemonLake lets see how many errors this mammoth code has...
20:58 Calinou looks strange but pretty
20:58 LemonLake 'bad argument #-2'
20:58 LemonLake im done
20:58 LemonLake fuck it
20:58 LemonLake this is just
20:58 LemonLake no
20:58 Calinou VanessaE, what's the upsides of using index.mth, compared to flat file method?
20:58 Calinou faster?
20:59 Calinou is there any guide on setting up a remote_media server, that is safe and where you can forward the port (it must not run on port 80)?
20:59 Calinou can't forward port 80 on most home routers ;)
21:00 LemonLake im a knob...
21:00 LemonLake i tried to use the node "minetest:storage_tank"
21:00 VanessaE Calinou: with index.mth, files are referenced by hash I guess
21:00 VanessaE which means load order is a non-issue
21:01 * sfan5 meows at LemonLake
21:01 * LemonLake meows back
21:01 VanessaE with a flat dir/non-hashed way like I use, you have to make sure you copy files into the dir roughly in the order the client will request them so that you don't end up having too many of them being sent the old way
21:01 sfan5 Calinou: 1) use https://gist.github.com/sfan5/6351560 2) Add your favourite HTTP server
21:02 sfan5 but beware
21:02 VanessaE Calinou: e.g. if a mod supplies a new version of some media file, index.mth would reference it with a different hash than the original, while the other method requires you to overwrite the original file in your media dir.
21:02 sfan5 the client does a POST index.mth not GET
21:03 LemonLake i think i've done it :D
21:04 PenguinDad Fun fact: Remote media increases loading time for me
21:04 Calinou which HTTP server is simple to set and fast?
21:04 Calinou apache, or is there something simpleR?
21:04 Calinou simpler*
21:05 Calinou sfan5, that's why we need a util repository, to have collectstatic.sh
21:05 Calinou currently that script doesn't seem to be posted anywhere on forums
21:05 Jordach https://cdn.mediacru.sh/SFZfvRPvhUDk.png <- my screen right now
21:05 sfan5 Calinou: nginx
21:06 sfan5 Jordach: this is why people have 2nd monitors
21:06 LemonLake +sfan5
21:06 Calinou world cup isn't interesting to watch continuously
21:06 Calinou (I wrote “continuously” correctly!)
21:06 Jordach sfan5, i'm quite used to 4:3 scale
21:06 Calinou green highlight on IRC looks strange to me
21:07 Calinou but red looks like people are attacking you…
21:07 Jordach Calinou, artifract from an old XChat
21:07 Jordach i liked that colour
21:07 Calinou how about cyan-blue then? or pink? :p
21:07 Jordach nah
21:07 LemonLake omg there's always an error ;'(
21:07 Calinou my own change is green-ish already
21:07 PenguinDad I have pink higlights xD
21:07 * sfan5 meows at PenguinDad
21:08 Calinou I may use cyan
21:08 Calinou “Tesseract Blue” (#55CCFF) looks good for highlight
21:11 hoodedice Calinou, you can crossfire integrated and dedicated
21:11 hoodedice GPUs have to be similar though
21:11 Calinou they're never similar
21:11 Calinou even if it was possible, the performance would be limited to the slower one
21:11 LemonLake lol
21:12 hoodedice For example, the 7850k is crossfired with either a R7 250 or an R7 260
21:12 hoodedice with a 90% performance increase, according to some sources
21:12 LemonLake oh...
21:12 LemonLake i forgot that glasslike_framed connects
21:12 hoodedice Either way, I'm waiting till next year to buy whatever AMD throws out
21:12 LemonLake this is a little bit awkward
21:13 LemonLake actually, thinking about how they merge...this is good
21:13 Jordach LemonLake, build a tower of that stuff 31km long and expect a monster content_ignore spam
21:13 Jordach my tanks are limited so you can't bug out a server
21:14 hoodedice *kn
21:14 hoodedice fucking kilonodes
21:14 LemonLake Jordach: I'm fine with adding a limit.
21:14 Calinou <hoodedice> with a 90% performance increase, according to some sources
21:14 Calinou AMD marketing division doesn't count as a source
21:14 hoodedice not metres, this is not England.
21:14 hoodedice Calinou, independent review
21:14 hoodedice I'm not that stupid to trust AMD PR
21:14 Calinou by the way… games need to have specific support for CrossFire/SLI, only AAA games have such support. Minetest sure doesn't.
21:14 Calinou I don't think it even works with OpenGL
21:15 * cheapie walks into this video card discussion...
21:15 * LemonLake walks through it
21:15 Calinou Terasology has a nice item drop feature: if you hold the drop key for a long time, you throw the item far away
21:15 cheapie Hmm... what's better, an unspecified "Radeon R3" integrated into a cheap "APU", a Radeon HD 5450, or a Radeon HD 6570?
21:16 Calinou if you just press it once, the item is dropped in front of you.
21:16 Calinou I'd like to see that in Minetest, but it's an engine change
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21:16 * PenguinDad falls through it
21:16 Calinou cheapie, 5450 is crap, 6570 is almost crap, the Radeon R3 is crap but it's integrated, so you avoid the issues of dedicated cards
21:16 Calinou so you want the “R3” here
21:16 cheapie Calinou: OK.
21:16 Calinou which probably can't even play Minetest well
21:16 hoodedice "which probably can't even play Minetest well"
21:16 cheapie Calinou: The R3 plays MT fine, I was just wondering if the others were better.
21:17 Calinou it does? how much FPS, which settings?
21:17 Calinou I'd be surprised… which CPU is it on?
21:17 * hoodedice has a dual core celeron @1.9 GHz, paired with an intel HD 2500
21:17 * hoodedice 45 fps.
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21:17 cheapie Calinou: It's a 1.4 GHz dual-core CPU, and with all the settings turned down, it gets about 20 FPS with a reasonable view distance.
21:17 Jordach 230fps in Minetest
21:17 Calinou constant 60 FPS here, 1920 × 1080, view range 100, shaders on, clouds off… :p
21:18 Calinou never got 230 FPS, even with shaders off, except maybe in a cave
21:18 hoodedice Calinou, 45 fps with "shit" lappy
21:18 Calinou cheapie, well, that's pretty bad
21:18 cheapie Calinou: Maybe, but it's playable.
21:18 Calinou to me, “well” is 60 FPS in 1920 × 1080, view range 64, shaders on
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21:18 Calinou the 20 FPS you said is what I get with Nouveau, basically
21:18 * hoodedice checks view range in xubuntu)
21:18 liljnc3 hi CRAIG
21:18 cheapie Calinou: Why does everybody seem to love widescreen monitors? I hate those things.
21:18 Calinou I fixed it using minetest.conf settings, I don't like variable distance
21:19 * cheapie is happy at 1280x1024
21:19 Calinou cheapie, they're standard now: raising your eyes vertically is annoying, while panning horizontally isn't
21:19 Calinou they fit your vision more
21:19 kinkinkijkin OI
21:19 LemonLake +Calinou
21:19 Calinou oh, 21:9 screens also do exist now (2560 × 1080), for more lateral view
21:19 liljnc3 Craig
21:19 Calinou could be useful for people who don't want to use 2 screens :)
21:19 CraigyDavi Hi liljnc3
21:19 kinkinkijkin I HEAR PEOPLE BE SPOUTIN FALSE CRAP ABOUT HARDWARE
21:19 Calinou oh, and don't forget Ultra HD is coming, so you'll have twice the pixels, to show more stuff on screen (or have higher detailed stuff)
21:19 liljnc3 hi get on some one needs interact
21:19 LemonLake kinkinkijkin: n...no
21:20 Calinou I'm probably not too wrong on hardware
21:20 LemonLake kinkinkijkin: i swear on me mum i aint
21:20 hoodedice Shall I make a #minetest-hardware?
21:20 PenguinDad We need 32:9 screens :P
21:20 cheapie I can't /see/ the individual pixels, so I don't understand why I would need more.
21:20 CraigyDavi Ok liljnc3
21:20 hoodedice Or #minetest-serious ?
21:20 liljnc3 thx
21:20 kinkinkijkin I'm here to enlighten all of you, as the resident elitist buttface on hooded's steam friends
21:21 kinkinkijkin who told him half of the things he's misquoting terribly to the point of falsity
21:21 LemonLake ^ love it
21:21 hoodedice no wait, the resulting flame war is gonna kill the channel
21:21 hoodedice We need a new channel for this
21:21 Jordach ##gofuckyourself
21:21 cheapie How about #ubuntu? Nothing worthwhile ever happens there.
21:22 Jordach +infinity
21:22 hoodedice cheapie, you zwizzing troll
21:22 PenguinDad how about ##################################doweneedmore#s
21:22 hoodedice no wait
21:22 Jordach psh
21:22 hoodedice #ubuntu is good
21:22 LemonLake one major bug fixed, two more major bugs to go
21:22 LemonLake then even more testing
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21:22 hoodedice Because in the midst of AMD APU discussion we can also flame some intel fanboys
21:23 LemonLake omg yes
21:23 LemonLake good idea
21:23 Jordach intel is backdoored]#
21:23 * cheapie watches the people in #ubuntu join/quit randomly without saying anything
21:23 LemonLake go to #ubuntu, i'll spectate
21:24 Calinou #ubuntu in a nutshell: http://users.kymp.net/feuer/etcomic/064.jpg
21:25 Calinou it's not like I can join it anyway (-:
21:25 Calinou <hoodedice> Shall I make a #minetest-hardware?
21:25 Calinou we have ##hardware :p
21:25 Calinou but it talks about AAA games and cars all day :(
21:28 LemonLake this is less of a hardware discussion and a more of a 'fuck you #ubuntu'...
21:28 LemonLake they've never had more activity
21:29 LemonLake okay
21:29 LemonLake now they're mad
21:29 hoodedice ahahaha
21:30 cheapie That took quite a while.
21:30 LemonLake im happy with my part
21:30 hoodedice Ended up helping a guy out with wine.
21:30 LemonLake lol
21:31 cheapie See, things actually happen in #debian. I think the average Ubuntu user has never heard of IRC.
21:31 hoodedice In any case, that did take a long time
21:31 hoodedice cheapie, you really had to say we were from #minetest, did you?
21:31 cheapie Yes.
21:31 LemonLake we're fucekd
21:31 hoodedice You really are a fucking troll
21:32 LemonLake hi Jordach, you ok?
21:32 Jordach in case of emergency, op Jordach
21:32 cheapie ...
21:32 LemonLake lol
21:32 LemonLake #ubuntu are pussies anyway
21:32 LemonLake they won't come to us
21:32 Jordach ucuntu
21:32 Jordach :D
21:32 LemonLake Jordach: whoaoaa
21:32 LemonLake calm it down mate
21:32 hoodedice =O
21:32 Jordach change one letter and it's funny
21:33 LemonLake it is actually
21:33 LemonLake that should be a failed assembly tutorial
21:33 LemonLake or somethin like that
21:34 Jordach my sister slaps me for saying that, so we now spell it with a k
21:34 LemonLake ukuntu
21:34 LemonLake nobody will ever know
21:36 cheapie By the way, I'm running Mint here (not the Debian edition, the regular Ubuntu-based(blech) version).
21:36 LemonLake +cheapie
21:36 LemonLake i actually like this version of mint
21:36 cheapie Yeah, it's a lot better than Ubuntu.
21:36 LemonLake it feels more like a familiar desktop
21:37 cheapie I sort of see now why I see "Ubunut" so often.
21:37 LemonLake ukuntu*
21:37 LemonLake damn
21:37 LemonLake not a real channel...yet
21:37 cheapie I'm using the MATE desktop here. Cinnamon doesn't look that great.
21:37 LemonLake #ucuntu is chanserv'd....
21:37 Jordach The new Operating System by Canonical: Ukuntu
21:38 Jordach comes in wub wub flavour, or cheeky kash money
21:38 LemonLake cheapie: i prefer the look of cinnamon, actually
21:38 LemonLake but i may switch to mate
21:38 Jordach LemonLake, the new error reporting; u wot m8
21:38 LemonLake yes
21:38 LemonLake i love it!
21:39 LemonLake actually, looking at a review, the updated MATE desktop looks a looot nicer...
21:39 Jordach LemonLake, Swaggy swan, hipster hippo, yolo Yellowjacket
21:41 LemonLake im making concept art now
21:41 Jordach LemonLake, Air horn amish :3
21:42 Jordach wubwub whale
21:43 Jordach LemonLake, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=353Bc5myJkI
21:44 * sfan5 meows at Jordach
21:44 Jordach there are rare times that thing comes in useful
21:45 LemonLake shit, it just crashed
21:45 LemonLake u wot m8
21:45 Jordach u wot m8, want to send a shitty error report m8
21:45 Jordach to yer mum
21:45 LemonLake 404 report website not found
21:45 LemonLake u wot m8
21:45 LemonLake want to send a shitty error report m8
21:46 LemonLake okay, gimp keeps crashing when i open fonts :/
21:46 Jordach https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNtFkp0pB10
21:46 Jordach oh fuck i'm lolling
21:48 LemonLake what i love is how its actually professionally made
21:48 LemonLake just made to look shitty
21:48 Jordach https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHahoNXeXaw
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21:50 LemonLake https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHJsHlcyHbA
21:51 Jordach https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJqC4aG98So
21:51 Jordach !title
21:51 MinetestBot Jordach: Kerbal Bass Program - YouTube
21:56 LemonLake http://pastie.org/pastes/9382230/text
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21:57 liljnc4 craigydavi
21:58 liljnc4 i need interact
21:58 Jordach LemonLake, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmzaalWYqRo
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22:16 liljnc4 hi
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22:33 LemonLake back to making storage tanks
22:33 Partmedia Hi, I'm using mobf on a world that didn't have mobf before, and vombies don't spawn. Is this because the spawner object don't exist?
22:35 LemonLake okay, 2/3 major bugs fixed
22:50 LemonLake 3/3 major bugs fixed
22:50 LemonLake the third one was done with a semi-dirty workaround (using an abm to update it)
22:56 Jordach LemonLake, pssh
22:57 Jordach you're doing it wrong :3
22:57 LemonLake I am?
22:57 Jordach minetest.on_punch(func(pos, puncher)) is your friend
22:57 LemonLake No, the param2 is not updated when placed
22:57 LemonLake because the meta is set AFTER the node is placed
22:57 LemonLake also, this prevents confusion using the screwdriver cheat ^.^
22:58 Jordach and this is why my tanks work
22:58 Jordach no fiddling with pissy meta
22:58 LemonLake Jordach: i dont give a fuck about your tanks
22:58 LemonLake im trying things a different way ^.^
22:59 Jordach LemonLake, ask the MC community, there are a few tanks like mods (BC, OpenBlocks) but they all use the same stuff
22:59 Jordach just don't re-invent the wheel
22:59 LemonLake I wouldn't want to copy your code anyway
22:59 LemonLake I feel like copying code is just bad
22:59 hoodedice I found a line I need in an older commit
22:59 LemonLake at the end of the day, we're doing the same thing in a different way, and we both learn from it
22:59 hoodedice But I don't see the same line in my src
23:00 hoodedice How do I check which commitcs changed the line (or file)?
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23:01 LemonLake idk, i dont understand version control
23:02 LemonLake also, Jordach, my tanks aren't designed to connect
23:02 LemonLake they're designed to be portable. it's basically like a 64 water block bucket.
23:02 LemonLake our tanks have different purposes
23:04 hoodedice nevermind, I was looking in the wrong file
23:05 LemonLake though I may need a way to tell the user how much the tank is holding
23:18 hoodedice Okay, anyone here with experience with building minetest?
23:18 LemonLake yeah, why?
23:19 hoodedice So I do "~/Minetest/Minetest indev$ cmake ../../Minetest/Source/minetest/ -DRUN_IN_PLACE=1"
23:19 LemonLake looks good
23:19 hoodedice and then "make -j2"
23:19 LemonLake yep
23:19 Partmedia is minetest still picky about an out of source build? last time I did one it didn't like it
23:19 LemonLake Partmedia: perhaps
23:20 hoodedice I expect that the bin files be in "Minetest indev"
23:20 LemonLake its much better to just build in place
23:20 hoodedice But they were in /bin in source
23:20 LemonLake yep
23:20 LemonLake that's where they're supposed to be
23:20 hoodedice I want to keep the source cleane
23:20 LemonLake just remove the source
23:20 LemonLake keep the bin
23:20 hoodedice I am woring with source
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23:20 LemonLake and other required content like builtin and stuff
23:20 Partmedia hoodedice, `git clean -xfd` removes all the junk after you're done
23:20 Partmedia (unless you're not running git?)
23:21 hoodedice I don't want to remove "junk"
23:21 LemonLake hoodedice: why are you so picky?
23:21 hoodedice I want said "junk" tto be seperate from "game content"
23:21 hoodedice Because I have an OCD with files being in respective folders
23:22 LemonLake i think DESTDIR is what you're looking for
23:22 hoodedice tl;dr need cmake or make, w/e to output build result in another dir
23:22 hoodedice How do I use DESTDIR?
23:22 LemonLake hold on
23:22 hoodedice !g DESTDIR
23:22 MinetestBot hoodedice: https://www.gnu.org/prep/stan​dards/html_node/DESTDIR.html
23:22 LemonLake no
23:22 Partmedia (isn't it somethin glike CMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX?)
23:22 LemonLake yep
23:22 LemonLake hoodedice: http://www.cmake.org/cmake/help/cmake-2.6.html
23:23 Partmedia (I use ccmake so I don't have to remember this :D)
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23:24 hoodedice idon'tgetit.jpg
23:24 hoodedice What should I be looking at?
23:24 LemonLake hoodedice: duckduckgo is your friend
23:24 * hoodedice uses google anyway
23:24 LemonLake so do i
23:24 LemonLake i just dont wanna cause flamewars
23:25 * Partmedia uses both
23:25 hoodedice Don't worry. Calinou isn't here =P
23:26 * Partmedia doesn't know Calinou, preference for one over another?
23:26 LemonLake actually, I think I'm going to start using duckduckgo
23:26 LemonLake it's google, without tracking.
23:27 * Partmedia brings some gunpowder and TNT for the flamewar :D
23:29 hoodedice Calinou is one of the free software advocates on here
23:29 LemonLake plus, it looks really fancy.
23:29 LemonLake i like it
23:29 hoodedice though, onpon4 is the real GNU fan
23:30 hoodedice So, I installed cmake-gui
23:30 hoodedice !tell sfan5 hoodedice thanks you for cmake-gui, again
23:30 MinetestBot hoodedice: I'll pass that on when sfan5 is around
23:32 LemonLake but google just has better features
23:32 LemonLake so, i'll stick with google
23:35 alket i have only one heart left :s , how to make more ?
23:35 hoodedice alket, multiplayer?
23:35 LemonLake alket: eat bread
23:35 alket hoodedice: no , local , creative mode off
23:35 hoodedice Lemon, bread is default?
23:35 LemonLake hoodedice: iirc
23:36 alket LemonLake: where is bread
23:36 LemonLake atleast in minetest_game
23:36 hoodedice alket, default minetest_game, eat apples
23:36 LemonLake ^
23:36 alket thanks
23:36 hoodedice mine apples from trees and use them
23:37 hoodedice For bread, see:
23:37 hoodedice !g minetest wiki.net bread
23:37 MinetestBot hoodedice: http://wiki.minetest.net/Bread
23:37 LemonLake !help
23:37 MinetestBot https://github.com/sfan5/minetestb​ot-modules/blob/master/COMMANDS.md
23:37 alket hoodedice: LemonLake , i collected some , but how to eat ?
23:37 LemonLake alket: right click
23:37 hoodedice select it in your hand and click
23:38 hoodedice right click?!
23:38 LemonLake hoodedice: what kind of control scheme are you using
23:38 hoodedice Lemon spreading lies!
23:38 LemonLake hoodedice: fuck you too
23:38 hoodedice default, right handed
23:38 LemonLake alket: dont listen to me
23:38 alket heh , obvius
23:38 alket thanks :)
23:38 LemonLake im a twat
23:38 hoodedice I never said fuck you in the first place!
23:38 hoodedice dick.
23:38 LemonLake hoodedice: i am indeed
23:38 hoodedice k
23:38 alket obvious i meant , for the click not for the right/left
23:39 LemonLake aight
23:39 LemonLake fixed my controls now
23:40 alket i don't understand multiplyer , too much lag , what i collected for like 10 seoncds , get returned
23:40 alket but local is fine too
23:41 hoodedice Where do you live, alket?
23:41 alket kosovo
23:41 alket near greece
23:41 hoodedice ... I suck at geography...
23:41 alket near italy then
23:41 alket just some sea divide us
23:41 hoodedice ah, I got it at Greece
23:41 hoodedice Wait, it is that new country, right
23:41 alket its new country , since 2008
23:41 hoodedice Aha!
23:42 hoodedice You guys seperated from Serbia, I remember now
23:42 alket yes
23:42 alket :)
23:42 hoodedice So, most minetest servers are in Europe, some in the US, and one or two in Russia
23:43 hoodedice You'll need to find out who host their servers where and connect to the closest you can get
23:43 hoodedice VanessaE's servers are the most famous, but the are all US based
23:43 alket thanks , I will try tomorrow again
23:44 alket but now , im too deep in my mine :p
23:44 hoodedice You can try: i.nwps.ws in France...
23:44 hoodedice ah okay
23:44 Partmedia does anyone have multiplayer server bandwidth info? or an estimate of bandwidth for X number of players?
23:44 hoodedice Good luck mining
23:44 alket i think its my hardware
23:44 alket thanks , and thanks for the game
23:44 hoodedice Partmedia, I can say that MT servers are good for upto 10 players on average
23:45 hoodedice Hey don't thank me, I'm just a community member =P
23:45 LemonLake and im the irc's dumbest ;)
23:46 alket lol
23:46 alket do I need to register or something ?
23:46 alket its says wrong password
23:46 hoodedice Not really
23:46 LemonLake alket: have you been on the server before?
23:46 LemonLake most likely you have if it says that
23:46 alket maybe on first day
23:46 hoodedice If you ever used the server, you need to remember the password. If you forgot, contact the server admin
23:46 Partmedia hoodedice, I'm running a LAN server, and was absently wondering whether I could pull off a decent public server
23:47 hoodedice Part, depends
23:47 LemonLake hoodedice: use tab-complete to highlight people
23:47 hoodedice Lemon, I sometimes type short because they may be using webchat, and the ping is annoying
23:47 hoodedice I only ping when I need them
23:48 LemonLake that's the whole point, though.
23:48 hoodedice Part, you need at least 2 GB of RAM and a decent CPU
23:48 LemonLake hoodedice: not necessarily
23:48 Partmedia :p
23:48 LemonLake look at markv's server
23:48 LemonLake he runs it on an rpi
23:48 hoodedice minimum according to my experiences with a server
23:48 Partmedia I was thinking in terms of ping latency and bandwidth
23:49 hoodedice Lemon, average condition
23:49 alket this server has huge lag , so maybe its my hardware
23:49 hoodedice default everything
23:49 hoodedice alket, it is mostly your internet speed, and geographical location
23:49 alket sorry for the rush , it got really better :)
23:49 alket thanks :)
23:54 hoodedice Alright guys...
23:54 hoodedice This is it.
23:54 hoodedice The moment of truth
23:55 hoodedice When I find if my hypothesis is right or wrong
23:55 LemonLake k
23:55 hoodedice If it is right, we will have a brighter future
23:55 LemonLake my moment of truth: liquid registration works.
23:55 LemonLake tanks now have configurable liquids.
23:55 hoodedice We will have a better first person view than even MC!
23:55 hoodedice *clicks Play*
23:56 hoodedice hmm
23:56 hoodedice With the current way the camera is handled, I think this will need a rewrite
23:56 hoodedice Maybe I can rewrite the camera code? I can try...
23:57 * hoodedice also knows no C++
23:57 LemonLake https://cdn.mediacru.sh/eJH_8ZOF8cq8.png
23:58 LemonLake whoa
23:58 hoodedice This is hilarious
23:58 LemonLake i've gone through 59 songs already
23:58 LemonLake that's worrying
23:58 hoodedice Now that I have removed the limit on camera position
23:58 hoodedice Placing the camera in front of the head makes looking straight at horizon okay
23:59 hoodedice but when you look down, the camera raises up suddenly
23:59 LemonLake hm
23:59 LemonLake hey hoodedice, opinions? https://cdn.mediacru.sh/eJH_8ZOF8cq8.png
23:59 LemonLake ill probably make a demo video

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