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00:26 ShadowNinja sfan5: I knew that it was pretty popular, but I didn't know how much so.
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00:39 Eater4 ShadowNinja: hey
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01:01 arsdragonfly How to close a formspec in the mod API?
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01:42 sapier minetest version numbering will not take all numbers from 0-inf ... there are some milestones that will trigger a minor increase ... all of them being major improvements and maybe even break compatibility to old versions
01:42 sapier yes next version is supposed to be 0.4.10
01:43 sapier https://forum.minetest.net/posting​.php?mode=edit&f=3&t=9389 another new android preview
01:44 sapier now mods should be download and configurable for singleplayer games
01:47 VanessaE Information
01:47 VanessaE The requested post does not exist.
01:47 MinetestBot VanessaE: 06-09 20:11 UTC <nore> could you give me your thoughts on https://github.com/Novatux/pipeworks_extratubes please? (should it me merged in default pipeworks?)
01:47 MinetestBot VanessaE: 06-14 17:18 UTC <The_Beast> WAKE UP
01:47 sapier Exio4 noname chinese tablet? could you try cpu-z?
01:47 * VanessaE kicks the bot squarely in the bolts.
01:47 MinetestBot VanessaE: 06-14 17:20 UTC <The_Beast> I need you Very Important
01:47 sapier https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=3&amp;t=9389 try2
01:47 Exio4 sure
01:48 sapier while 7fps isn't really good, I'd consider it to be "acceptable"
01:48 sapier at least if it stays there :-)
01:49 Exio4 it had spikes, but i'd say it is 7fps, when it didn't render anything it was about 12-13fps
01:49 sapier ok cpu-z will provide information what hardware it is
01:50 Exio4 installing
01:52 VanessaE fwiw, if anyone goes looking for that pipeworks_extratubes repo, looks like nore moved it to here:  https://github.com/VanessaE/​pipeworks/commits/extratubes
01:53 VanessaE 7fps is playable, if barely
01:53 Exio4 anything under 20fps isn't playable
01:53 VanessaE Exio4: s/isn't playable/isn't tolerable/
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01:54 sapier well in this case only most fast android devices will be an option for you
01:54 sapier there's about one I know having more then 20fps
01:54 Exio4 i'd compile an -Ofast ARMv7 version of the engine
01:55 Exio4 that probably makes 15-fps phones engines play nicely at 20fps
01:56 Exio4 ARM Cortex-A8 single core, (max) Clock speed: 1.01GHz, total ram: 353mb, opengl es version: 2.0, android verrsion 4.0.4, kernel version, 3.0.8+ (20130909) ?
01:56 Exio4 that other info is useful
01:57 Exio4 revision r3p2 fwiw
01:57 Exio4 is there anything useful in the other data?**
01:57 Exio4 that is what i tried to write
01:57 Exio4 gpu vendor, ARM, renderer mali 400MP
01:59 sapier release build is already compiled at -O3 + expensive optimizations ... I'll give the additional fast-math a try but I don't think it's going to be a big difference
02:00 Exio4 when i did a very silly "profiling" in my old laptop, where i saw lots of "bottlenecks" was with the math stuff
02:01 sapier whatever you did profile was far away from current android build ;-)
02:02 sapier as we use fast math on pc too I guess it's not gonna cause problems
02:02 Exio4 fast math isn't so bad, it is just "unsafe in corner cases" ... that shouldn't actually happen at all
02:05 Exio4 i'm talking about a slow irrlicht build a hell lot ago, i'd say about a year and half
02:05 Exio4 i saw that where my netbook actually "had problems" was with the math calls, after using -Ofast i got a nice speedup
02:06 Exio4 (i recompiled irrlicht and minetest with -Ofast fwiw)
02:08 Exio4 nice speedup as a 5% FPS more, :P
02:08 Exio4 nothing much but.. can make the difference between "playable" and "tolerable"
02:08 sapier we'll see
02:09 Exio4 anyway, what are the ideas for the "after 0.4.10"?
02:09 sapier 0.4.11
02:09 Exio4 :( no 0.5 branch?
02:10 sapier no
02:10 Exio4 0.5 as fuck compatibility, lets remove all that crappy code?
02:10 sapier none of the milestones relevant for 0.5 is even close
02:11 Exio4 if 0.5 was an actual branch where people could start doing stuff there, even if it isn't in master
02:12 sapier for what?
02:12 Exio4 uhm?
02:12 sapier as usualy ppl will all switch to 0.5 immediatly causing exactly same issues we have at master right now
02:12 Exio4 "switch to 0.5"
02:13 sapier noone will change a number just because ppl feel better
02:13 Exio4 if compatibility isn't kept every six commits, i'm pretty sure people will NOT use it ;P
02:13 sapier see firefox ... it's at 30 right now
02:13 sapier basicaly it's number became meaningless as of ... 10? 12?
02:14 Exio4 lets call it "cleancompatcode"
02:14 sapier which oneß
02:14 Exio4 or legacycode or whatever
02:15 sapier so you're demanding without even knowing ... what do you expect from this? magical performance improvement by 1000%? that's not gonna happen
02:16 Exio4 magical performance improvement? why would that happen if you're only removing code that isn't actually used
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02:16 sapier we're already removing unused code
02:16 sapier and legacy code isn't run for non legacy clients so performance difference is close to zero
02:16 Exio4 i don't care about performance
02:16 Exio4 but a lot of code just for support old clients ain't nice
02:17 sapier so what's this all about? removing 4 lines of code?
02:17 sapier having a nice number?
02:17 sapier we can switch to 1000.0.0 if you feel better ;-P
02:19 Exio4 i told you i took 0.5 as breaking compatibility not a number, if the version doing that was 3.14 i'd say 3.14
02:20 sapier for what reason
02:21 Exio4 there are lots of pull request that are "dropped" because compatibility reasons
02:21 sapier you haven't told of anything that requires breaking compatibility. I see no reason to do this because of feeling like "hey it's a great day we could just break compat for no reason today"
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02:22 Exio4 i could post your own pull request
02:23 Exio4 whatever
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02:23 sapier the one where I told this one isn't worth breaking compat and only worth adding if theres a way better reason to do?
02:24 Exio4 yours is a simple example of something SIMPLE that could be "helped" by breaking compat
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02:24 sapier no it isn't because if we always break compat because of something not worth breaking compat that's just gonna be annoying
02:24 Exio4 lots of features are hard to write by trying to keep compatibility or without touching other code
02:25 sapier in about 2 years I had exactly 1 feature where compatibility was a real blocker
02:25 sapier and that one is minor
02:27 sapier fast-math doesn't seem to result in resonable speedup (on my device) as it's not hurting too I'm gonna enable it by default, maybe it helps for other devices
02:29 Exio4 because you care about compatibility too much
02:29 Exio4 that is obvious, if you try to keep compatibility, compatibility will never be a "that bad" issue
02:30 Exio4 you'll just work around the code
02:30 Exio4 damn
02:30 Exio4 didn't see him leave
02:30 Exio4 whatever
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03:13 VanessaE great, we've got an infestation of dragonflies.
03:24 RealBadAngel lol
03:24 MinetestBot RealBadAngel: 05-24 03:28 UTC <Megaf_> https://github.com/minetest-technic/unified​_inventory/issues/11#issuecomment-44076432
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03:47 * RealBadAngel yawns
03:47 MinetestBot RealBadAngel: 06-11 22:36 UTC <Jordach> dude - i've got a meshnode waiting for you
03:47 * RealBadAngel yawns again
03:47 MinetestBot RealBadAngel: 06-14 11:50 UTC <nman3600> can you add dyed bags to unified inventory and also maybe a way to nickname the bags?
03:47 * RealBadAngel yawns one more time...
03:49 RealBadAngel :)
03:55 MinetestBot GIT: maciej.kasatkin@o2.pl commited to minetest/minetest: Unite nodes shaders. 6c98fd6658 2014-06-15T05:40:33+02:00 http://git.io/c3j5qA
04:17 VanessaE bbl
04:19 blaise fsckit
04:20 blaise I'm rm'ing my map file
04:20 blaise starting from scratch
04:20 blaise joined, and there were no blocks left but my building..
04:20 blaise couldn't see anything else
04:29 blaise shit
04:29 blaise it literally is the exact same,
04:30 blaise except it hasn't been modified yet
04:30 blaise how do I generate an entire new map?
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04:34 blaise hello?!
04:38 Miner_48er new button
04:39 blaise there are no buttons
04:39 blaise 23:38:52: ERROR[main]: ERROR: An unhandled exception occurred: Player::deSerialize(): PlayerArgsEnd of player "asmo.~mt" not found  In thread b56aa940: /var/tmp/portage/games-action/minetest-0.4​.9/work/minetest-0.4.9/src/main.cpp:1862: int main(int, char**): Assertion '0' failed.
04:39 blaise that's nice, eh?
04:41 blaise fuck.
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04:54 Miner_48er delete that file
04:54 blaise i did
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05:31 Endymion Hi, I'm kinda new to Minetest, and I know I have a silly question, but... what mod database does the client connect to?
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07:05 ClaudiusGalenus Hi
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07:12 jin_xi Hi ClaudiusGalenus
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07:27 Krock hi
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07:52 Krock It's too silent
07:52 LemonLake I agree.
07:52 LemonLake Anyone here used nitrogen?
07:53 Krock BOOOOOOOOOOOOMMM
07:53 Krock yes, why?
07:53 LemonLake My wallpapers reset upon system restart, how do I make them permanent?
07:54 Krock google
07:54 LemonLake I have
07:54 LemonLake but they all return results for different operating systems
07:55 Krock http://lmgtfy.com/?q=ubuntu+resert​s+wallpapers+upon+computer+restart
07:55 LemonLake Not on ubuntu, and I'm not using the default wallpaper thingy
07:56 nman3600 Does pipeworks work with warehouses from bitchange?
07:56 LemonLake For the default one I just had to add it, but I think I have to do something with autostart on linux
07:56 Krock <CTCP-VERSION:LemonLake>xchat 2.8.8 Ubuntu
07:56 LemonLake Krock: Mhm, xchat was compiled for ubuntu. I can run ubuntu applications on mint since it's based on it or something.
07:56 Krock nman3600, look at configuration - yes theyshould
07:56 nman3600 Krock okay good. Thanks :)
07:57 Krock LemonLake, k
07:57 LemonLake Wait, I'm gonna restart my system, I think I know what to do
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08:58 nman3600 Krock your server is too laggy
08:59 LemonLake ^
08:59 LemonLake Even with 4 people it's laggy as hell
08:59 Krock there you go.
08:59 LemonLake Thanks
08:59 nman3600 Thanks
08:59 LemonLake I'm annoyed because you've changed some sort of setting that broke my entire mechanism :/
09:00 Krock hmm?
09:00 LemonLake I think you changed something with blinkers and autocrafters
09:00 Krock I think that belongs to inchra.net
09:00 LemonLake hmm?
09:01 Krock blinkers and autocrafters have an inverval of ~5s
09:01 LemonLake They were less in singleplayer
09:01 Krock lag makes it up to 8s
09:01 Krock it's 1s by default
09:02 * Krock compiles gsmapper-minetest
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09:07 Krock !g minetest forums xyz xfences
09:07 MinetestBot Krock: http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=3313
09:07 Krock ty, dude
09:07 Krock but it's the wrong link
09:24 nman3600 KROCK YOUR SHOP SHOP IS EMPTY
09:24 Krock OMG
09:24 LemonLake OH NOES
09:24 LemonLake WHAT WILL WE DO
09:24 nman3600 GOTTA MAKE ONE NOW
09:24 LemonLake Krock, I fixed my machine
09:25 * sfan5 meows at Krock
09:25 LemonLake I just man-powered it with a mesecons button, got a large bag coming out every minute
09:25 PenguinDad I'LL EXECUTE "cvs commit suicide"
09:25 * sfan5 meows at PenguinDad
09:25 sfan5 hi everyone
09:25 LemonLake Hey
09:25 LemonLake 6 large bags from this beast of a machine
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09:26 * Krock compiled gsmapper..with one little fail
09:26 Krock the cursor moves wrongly
09:26 Krock s/moves/turns around
09:30 Krock https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.p​hp?f=7&amp;t=8489&amp;p=145079#p145079
09:30 nman3600 !title
09:30 MinetestBot nman3600: gsmapper + map mod - Minetest Forums
09:30 nman3600 Lol
09:31 Krock total compiling time was about 30 min again :/
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09:37 nman3600 Krock can me and LemonLake turn the unbuilt service station into a bag market
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09:43 Mikerhinos hi
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09:43 sfan5 Krock: get a faster PC
09:43 Krock soon
09:43 Krock TM
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09:47 LemonLake Krock, are you okay?
09:47 LemonLake You keep timing out.
09:47 nman3600 Krock is it a problem for you
09:47 Krock stop with that freaking mesecon stuff
09:47 LemonLake o.o
09:47 nman3600 Is it to amazing for you to handle
09:47 LemonLake I've stopped hitting it.
09:52 m5 Hello pooples
09:53 nman3600 Hey m5
09:53 Krock hi poopm5
09:54 nman3600 hey Krocklepoop
09:58 * VanessaE pokes MinetestBot
09:58 MinetestBot VanessaE: 06-15 07:50 UTC <nore> there is a problem with areas and waypoints: the "Areas: " thing show after a waypoint (and moves with it) instead of being at the bottom of the screen
09:58 VanessaE RealBadAngel, ShadowNinja ^^^^
10:01 RealBadAngel link to that mod?
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10:10 Krock inventory closes whenever I click too fast on crafting ?!?!
10:11 nman3600 RealBadAngel did you get my message about unified inventory
10:12 RealBadAngel yup
10:13 nore RealBadAngel, https://github.com/ShadowNinja/areas
10:13 RealBadAngel i will code something like this one day, i do have some plans for bags
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10:16 RealBadAngel nore, hud_add is called too early
10:17 PenguinDad Hello PENGUllN
10:17 RealBadAngel theres some weird stuff going on there, temp fix is to put creation of hud element in minetest.after
10:18 RealBadAngel otherwise default hud elements clears ids table or something like that
10:18 PENGUllN hey  penguin
10:20 RealBadAngel nore, like here: https://github.com/minetest-technic/unifie​d_inventory/blob/master/item_names.lua#L17
10:21 nore you need to tell that to ShadowNinja...
10:22 RealBadAngel ok, i will
10:22 RealBadAngel nore, btw, why there are no volcanoes in mg?
10:23 nore because I didn't code them...
10:23 RealBadAngel also you could use moretrees
10:27 Krock 0x?EA1BADA?6E1
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10:50 Krock Is there already a "zoom" function in MT? I've seen that at FM but here, I'm not sure if it exists
10:50 VanessaE Krock: not that I know of.
10:50 Krock okay
10:51 LemonLake There WAS fov changing
10:51 LemonLake that you could abuse to make zoom
10:51 Krock there still is
10:51 LemonLake really? I've never got it to work
10:52 Krock I'm using fov = 74
10:53 Krock I think you need to close, modify file and then start MT
10:55 PenguinDad Krock: you can change fov ingame with /set but only in singleplayer
10:55 Krock PenguinDad, oh thx. gonna test this
10:55 LemonLake Firearms used it, I remember that
10:55 Krock :D
10:56 Krock works
10:57 nman3600 Krock your server is pretty laggy now can you restart?
10:57 nman3600 Thanks Krock
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11:04 * Krock found a diamond ore at 26m
11:04 * m5 can't get the crossover cable to work
11:05 m5 WOrks only If I use the Shared to other computers option in nm-applet
11:05 PenguinDad Krock: wow diamonds in mountains
11:05 m5 But I don't want that
11:05 * Krock found 5 in total :D
11:06 Krock PenguinDad, but sadly not with mgv6
11:06 m5 Can I disable the use of Ethernet for internet access in windows?
11:07 Krock sure
11:07 VanessaE Sokomine:  *poke*
11:07 m5 I mean, ipv6 ping works
11:07 Krock just go to network settings and disable the ethernet card there
11:07 m5 Hmm
11:08 m5 I have 2 sources of internet connected to my desktop
11:08 m5 The external card
11:08 m5 And my laptop's card via Cat5e
11:09 m5 ALl is wel
11:09 m5 *Well
11:09 m5 Brilliant
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11:10 m5 Krock, I need the ethernet card, just to prefer WiFi over Ethernet
11:10 m5 Which is understandably not default
11:10 Krock m5, there's a priority settings somewhere
11:11 Krock -s
11:11 m5 I did not want to click that...
11:11 m5 fuck...
11:11 Krock hmm?
11:11 m5 It's gone
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11:11 MinetestBot PilzAdam: 05-21 20:26 UTC <BlockMen> verarsch den Bot nicht
11:11 Krock good
11:12 Krock lol
11:12 PilzAdam sfan5, ...
11:12 * m5 found it
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11:20 m5 * Ping reply from atomicon.: 0.000 second(s) <3
11:21 Krock * Ping reply from brain.: N/A not arrived yet
11:21 m5 Crossover cables are not the fastest...
11:21 m5 * Ping reply from atomicon.: 8.313 second(s)
11:21 Krock * Ping reply from brain.: 0.0000001 yearthousands
11:22 m5 * Ping reply from brain: 0.843 second(s)
11:22 m5 Do it properly :p
11:22 sfan5 PilzAdam, ...
11:23 PilzAdam fix your bot
11:23 jin_xi paaacmaaan
11:23 sfan5 PilzAdam: maybe
11:23 * sfan5 meows at jin_xi
11:23 * m5 starts security threats running on his home network
11:23 m5 CRON is fun...
11:26 * Krock likes fov = 80
11:27 m5 hey try IRC sslv.tk port 6667
11:27 Krock down
11:28 m5 Bullshit
11:28 m5 81.135.42.194
11:28 m5 Oh the port forwarding...
11:28 Krock down
11:31 m5 I've not forwarded it...
11:32 m5 Such a fucking intuitive interface...
11:33 nman3600 lol
11:33 m5 Try it in your browser
11:34 nman3600 Wait if there's port forwarding is there port backwarding?
11:35 m5 Yeah
11:35 * m5 tries to be clever
11:35 nman3600 Seriously?
11:36 m5 I forgot
11:36 m5 TO click
11:36 m5 APPLY!!!
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11:37 m5 Krock, Try now
11:37 m5 Ze firewall is down
11:37 Krock down
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11:38 m5 Hmm...
11:42 m5 Krock, port 65535
11:42 m5 Fuck wait i need to forward it
11:42 m5 Y U so retarded BT?
11:43 Krock down
11:43 * m5 says wait
11:43 m5 ...
11:45 Taoki Hey. Are there any hunger mods other than this one? https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=6342
11:46 Taoki Not that there's anything wrong with BlockMen's. Just that it seems to be a lump of various things, and I'm not sure about that
11:47 VanessaE https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=6690
11:48 Taoki Thanks
11:48 VanessaE not sure if that one still works or not
11:48 Taoki Yeah, July 2103... we didn't have Lua HUD back then I think
11:48 m5 Maybe BT just hates IRC
11:49 m5 Krock, Try it now
11:49 Krock I join all 30s
11:49 Krock still down
11:49 m5 It works
11:50 m5 From a remote VPS I have
11:50 Krock 81.135.42.194:65535 is down
11:50 m5 port 6667
11:51 m5 Turns out BT are actually neutral
11:51 m5 <3
11:52 m5 Krock, Fix your client
11:53 m5 Okay sslv.tk port 6667 works fine
11:54 Krock another soon-abandoned IRC server
11:54 m5 :(
11:54 * m5 clusters it with atomicon.tk
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11:57 m5 What's a REALLY Light IRCD?
11:57 m5 Minetest >> IRC, you understand
11:58 m5 Which port is PING?
11:58 Krock wikipedia
11:59 PenguinDad m5: you mean ICMP PING?
11:59 m5 5000?
11:59 m5 $ping
11:59 m5 I have no idea
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12:03 m5 Hmmm
12:03 m5 Maybe I can host IRC for the people in my village...
12:03 m5 Actually most don't even know what the internet is
12:03 Krock what is an internet?
12:04 m5 It's something you use to wipe your ass in a hurry
12:04 VanessaE Krock: don't joke.  half the players on my servers, honest to G*d, don't know what the web is or how to google something
12:05 m5 Every so often I like to pretend I am not the admin on my server and be really n00by and difficult
12:05 Krock o.o
12:05 Krock ehm....okay *take a while to get that*
12:05 VanessaE Krock: it gets worse.  when I try to explain it.   "I don't have the internet on my [tablet|phone]."
12:05 m5 Lol
12:05 VanessaE *waits for that to sink in*
12:05 Krock HAHAH
12:05 VanessaE yeah.  seriously.
12:05 Krock I'd headdesk
12:06 VanessaE meanwhile, they're playing minetest and chatting to me from said phone/tablet.
12:06 Krock ^
12:06 m5 If nobody talks to me on my server everyone will be kicked soon
12:06 asie VanessaE: don't worry
12:06 VanessaE and basic concepts such as copy&paste are completely foreign.
12:06 asie with Minecraft, the count is about 95% for non-modded servers
12:07 asie and 60% for modded servers
12:07 VanessaE nevermind that minetest has little bugs about doing that.  I mean generally.
12:07 m5 <mark> ADMIN??!!
12:07 Krock asie, huh? I don't get it
12:08 Krock 0xA51E
12:08 m5 VanessaE, Your servers are looking a bit empty
12:09 VanessaE m5:  they always are at this time of day.
12:09 Krock <.< server always wil look empty
12:09 VanessaE http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/va​nessa/hobbies/minetest/stats.html
12:09 VanessaE there's the stats tracker.
12:09 VanessaE today's peak, 12.
12:09 VanessaE the peak used to go up into the 40's at its height
12:09 m5 That is awesome
12:10 VanessaE then buildcraft happened.
12:10 VanessaE or rather, it fell behind
12:10 Krock WTF? 200% CPU usage?
12:10 VanessaE minetest moved on, buildcraft fell too far behind to keep up with my servers.
12:10 Krock lolololo
12:10 VanessaE Krock: multicore, hyperthread.
12:10 VanessaE and there are 7 servers.
12:11 Krock but 100% is themaximal
12:11 PenguinDad Krock: I've had 300% CPU usage once
12:11 VanessaE Krock: with four cores, 400% is equivalent to four cores running at 100%.
12:11 Krock I have 99% CPU usage
12:11 VanessaE that's just the way Linux accounts for it.
12:11 Krock stupid way...
12:11 VanessaE yeah
12:11 * m5 has 9% cpu
12:11 VanessaE but it's useful in some cases.
12:11 Krock my server has 2 cores an uses100%
12:12 Krock minetest max. takes up to 50%
12:12 VanessaE you could just as easily add them all up and divide by #cores and get the "real" average
12:12 m5 How do I make lubuntu run less useless shit?
12:12 Krock s/an/and
12:12 VanessaE but here, I don't do that.  I report the actual usage by core.
12:12 m5 I mean,
12:12 m5 What is watchdog/0|1 ?
12:13 Krock a wathing dog (on/off)
12:13 Krock *watching
12:13 VanessaE m5: don't pay attention to what is loaded.  pay attention to what is actually consuming CPU time.
12:13 VanessaE m5: programs which are loaded but doing nothing are often pushed into swap or just left to idle.  they do nothing and consume no resources.
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12:14 m5 http://sslv.tk/shit.txt
12:14 m5 I should stop using apache...
12:14 VanessaE m5: those are kernel threads.
12:14 Krock *clicks*
12:15 VanessaE they are internal stuff, not programs in the usual sense
12:15 m5 is lighttpd *lighter* ?
12:15 m5 Okay
12:15 VanessaE all Linux distros will have a similar set of threads as those
12:15 VanessaE all the stuff in [brackets] that is
12:15 m5 Not my debian VPS
12:15 Krock apache or nginx, nothing other
12:15 VanessaE m5: that's because you're not allowed to see the
12:15 VanessaE them*
12:16 * m5 does it with root
12:16 VanessaE VPS root != real root.
12:16 VanessaE you don't have root on the bare hardware
12:16 VanessaE you just have a virtual machine
12:16 m5 Ah
12:16 m5 Gotcha
12:16 m5 okay
12:17 VanessaE of course it depends on the VPS provider and the kernel and a bunch of other shit that I don't know about :P
12:17 VanessaE but afaik all Linux kernels do that
12:17 asie Krock: i use lighttpd
12:17 m5 I have one with shitty uptime in buffalo, america
12:17 VanessaE as for a web server, I use nginx
12:17 asie and i cannot complain
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12:20 VanessaE think I'll go lie down for a while
12:20 VanessaE greetz, Jordach
12:21 m5 What's netbios?
12:22 m5 and microsoft-ds
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12:24 Jordach -> !g
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12:26 jp__ Hello. How to remove a cart please ?
12:27 PilzAdam shift click
12:28 jp__ Thanks !
12:32 * m5 has lighttpd
12:34 m5 Anyone beat that ? http://sslv.tk/disk.txt
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12:36 m5 How do I free some ram?
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12:43 SmugLeaf m5: there is nothing really wrong with apache
12:43 SmugLeaf the default config can sometimes be stupid
12:43 m5 Too much load
12:44 m5 Just need it to stop the bastards at dot.tk terminating my domain
12:44 SmugLeaf .tk  are worthless
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12:46 m5 Well it's free and works
12:46 m5 I'm waiting for .free
12:46 Jordach m5, then don't use the default apache page
12:46 Krock m5: http://www.dnsdynamic.org/
12:46 Jordach or whatever the http thing requires
12:47 m5 ...
12:47 Krock very poor DNS but..it works
12:47 m5 Krock, I have great DNS
12:47 Krock dot.tk??
12:47 m5 And a hourly CRON job not some shitty update client
12:48 PenguinDad m5: you could try http://duckdns.org
12:48 m5 ...
12:48 m5 I have DNS!
12:48 m5 freedns
12:48 m5 And a CRON job to update it
12:48 m5 using curl
12:48 m5 Every hour
12:48 SmugLeaf m5: if apache is setup to use prefork it's going to be a pile of shit
12:49 SmugLeaf use worker or event
12:49 m5 Well
12:50 m5 I seem to have killed the SSH daemon
12:50 SmugLeaf nice
12:50 m5 If the machine wasn't 3 ft from me i'd be fucked
12:51 SmugLeaf install monit
12:52 PenguinDad Monit is a quite nice watchdog
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12:53 * m5 doesn't know what a watchdog is
12:53 nman3600 m5: I've got so much dirt and cobble on your server I want to sell it for money will you buy it?
12:53 m5 Maybe
12:53 nman3600 Hi
12:54 m5 :)
12:54 m5 Just enabling root login without password now
12:54 PenguinDad !g watchdoge wikipedia
12:54 MinetestBot PenguinDad: http://www.reddit.com/r/dogeco​in/comments/26mrg0/watchdoge/
12:54 m5 :P
12:54 PenguinDad !g watchdog wikipedia
12:54 MinetestBot PenguinDad: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watchdog
12:54 nman3600 2 whole large bags for of dirt and 2 whole larg bags full of cobble
12:54 PenguinDad ^ there m5
12:55 m5 I get it sorta now
12:55 m5 Nah
12:55 nman3600 !rev PenguinDad
12:55 MinetestBot daDniugneP
12:55 m5 I have the physical machine here
12:55 nore RealBadAngel, why max. 5 waypoints? Couldn't you add several waypoints pages?
12:55 nman3600 !rev m5 doesn't know what a watchdog is
12:55 MinetestBot si godhctaw a tahw wonk t'nseod 5m
12:55 Krock * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watchdog_timer
12:56 PenguinDad !rev gotcha
12:56 MinetestBot ahctog
12:56 m5 sftp == SSH?
12:56 SmugLeaf yes
12:56 SmugLeaf ftp over ssh
12:56 m5 Okay
12:56 m5 Well great!
12:56 m5 Okay nman
12:56 SmugLeaf but it's not exactly ftp, so your client needs specific support
12:57 RealBadAngel nore, such number just fit the page ;)
12:57 m5 How is SCP different/
12:57 nore <nore>  Couldn't you add several waypoints pages?
12:57 SmugLeaf scp is fire at a time
12:57 SmugLeaf file*
12:58 RealBadAngel nore, will try to add some more in an elegant way
12:58 RealBadAngel nore, atm im preparing commit that adds tooltips for buttons/labels/image_buttons
12:58 nore that's possible??
12:58 nore (or you mean, an engine commit?)
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13:01 RealBadAngel engine patch ofc
13:09 * sfan5 meows at RealBadAngel
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13:27 Jordach hey kaeza
13:27 kaeza mornings
13:27 Krock afternoons
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13:29 m5 nman3600, try 81.135.42.194
13:30 Sakis25 [deleted]
13:30 Krock I can compile on windows
13:30 nman3600 m5: nope
13:30 Sakis25 [deleted]
13:31 Krock Minetest works on android, mac, win32, win64 and linux
13:31 m5 :(
13:31 Sakis25 [deleted]
13:31 Krock Sakis25, I'm not a great help with win32 compiling - I can't even add sound
13:31 Krock sapier compiled android things
13:31 Krock I think he has a special fork for it
13:32 Sakis25 [deleted]
13:32 Sakis25 [deleted]
13:32 Krock sure
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13:32 Krock the source codes are editable
13:32 Sakis25 [deleted]
13:33 Krock https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=3&amp;t=9389
13:33 Krock o.o kaeza quit (Disconnected by services)
13:33 Krock awww
13:33 Krock - Erroneous Nickname (services)
13:33 kaeza ?
13:33 Krock ./nick services doesn't work
13:34 Sakis25 [deleted]
13:34 Krock Shttps://github.com/minetest/minetest_game
13:34 PenguinDad Sakis25: (sub-)games for android are the same as games for standard minetest
13:34 Krock -S
13:34 Sakis25 [deleted]
13:35 Krock o.o
13:35 Sokomine duckdns does not seem to allow to create accounts. at least i could find no way
13:35 ligeti I wonder why mapgen v7 doesn't look better than v6! (lots of work to do)
13:36 Krock v7 looks better
13:36 jin_xi its not finished
13:36 Sakis25 [deleted]
13:36 PenguinDad Sakis25: yes
13:36 Krock v7 is very nice if using a mod to extennd it
13:36 ligeti I see...
13:36 Krock Sakis25, if it's the newest git, then no.
13:36 Krock it wil only insall "minimal"
13:37 Krock *install
13:37 Sakis25 [deleted]
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13:37 Sokomine sakis25: yes, the apk comes with a minetest-game
13:37 jin_xi dont use v7 yet, or never complain if your worlds get weird if it changes
13:37 Krock https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=11&amp;t=7366
13:37 Krock ^v7
13:37 Sakis25 [deleted]
13:37 Sakis25 [deleted]
13:37 Sokomine sakis25: talk to sapier. he might explain to you how that can be achieved
13:38 Sakis25 [deleted]
13:38 Krock uh nice. I got my own minetest_game, too xD
13:38 Krock #minetest-dev
13:38 Krock maybe you can find him here
13:39 PenguinDad Krock: Sakis25 can't talk in #minetest-dev
13:39 Sakis25 [deleted]
13:39 Krock PenguinDad, y not?
13:39 Sakis25 [deleted]
13:39 PenguinDad Krock: webchat is muted
13:39 Krock aaah
13:39 Sakis25 [deleted]
13:40 Krock Sakis25,you're using Windows 7, chrome 35
13:40 Krock ho ho ho
13:40 ligeti brb
13:40 Sakis25 [deleted]
13:40 Krock chrome is baad
13:40 Krock 0xBADC00D
13:41 Krock 0xBADC0DE *
13:41 Krock http://www.srware.net/en/software_srware_iron.php
13:41 Sokomine sakis25: just try /msg sapier hi   - either he'll be there or not. you might also leave a message on the forum
13:41 Krock ^beats chrome
13:41 Sakis25 [deleted]
13:41 Sakis25 [deleted]
13:41 Krock too small??!?
13:42 Sakis25 [deleted]
13:42 Sakis25 [deleted]
13:42 Krock ehem
13:42 jin_xi there is a gui scale option
13:42 Krock plz read the topic
13:42 Sakis25 [deleted]
13:42 Krock you need to scale it first
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13:43 Sakis25 [deleted]
13:43 Krock ^
13:43 Sakis25 [deleted]
13:44 Sakis25 [deleted]
13:44 LemonLake I feel like I broke my ribs or somethin
13:45 LemonLake Fun fact: Google keyboards don't have a backspace key.
13:45 * Krock gives LemonLake a system restore tool
13:45 Sakis25 [deleted]
13:45 Sakis25 [deleted]
13:45 LemonLake gui_scaling in minetest.conf
13:45 LemonLake default is 1 iirc
13:45 Sakis25 [deleted]
13:46 LemonLake yep
13:46 LemonLake I had the same issue
13:46 LemonLake gui_scaling in minetest.conf, not gui_scale
13:46 LemonLake game mustn't be running either
13:46 Sakis25 [deleted]
13:46 Sakis25 [deleted]
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13:46 Krock check minetest folder?
13:46 LemonLake Usually in a Minetest directory in your home folder.
13:46 Sakis25 [deleted]
13:46 LemonLake Try getting something like ES File Browser to actually see it
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13:46 Sokomine sakis25: edit the minetest.conf  and set gui_scaling = 0.6    or something like that
13:47 Sakis25 [deleted]
13:47 LemonLake It will be.
13:47 Krock create it
13:47 LemonLake You need to look in the minetest folder
13:48 Sakis25 [deleted]
13:48 LemonLake Create it, then
13:48 Sakis25 [deleted]
13:48 LemonLake umm
13:48 LemonLake no
13:48 LemonLake Android/Minetest
13:48 Sakis25 [deleted]
13:48 LemonLake it has its own folder
13:48 Sakis25 [deleted]
13:48 LemonLake Yep
13:48 Krock no
13:48 Sakis25 [deleted]
13:48 LemonLake Somewhere in your device there will be a folder named 'Minetest'
13:48 Krock Yep
13:48 LemonLake Not org.minetest
13:48 LemonLake Just Minetest
13:49 Sakis25 [deleted]
13:49 Sakis25 [deleted]
13:49 LemonLake In your home directory, usually.
13:49 LemonLake Just turning on my phone now
13:49 Sakis25 [deleted]
13:50 LemonLake sdcard/Minetest
13:50 LemonLake that's mine
13:51 Sakis25 [deleted]
13:51 Sakis25 [deleted]
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14:03 nore RealBadAngel, what does the water_surface shader do?
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14:04 RealBadAngel by now its just a copy of nodes shader
14:04 nore and what will it do?
14:04 RealBadAngel but in engine its assigned just for water top tile
14:04 RealBadAngel so modifing it will affect only this tile
14:05 RealBadAngel what could it do? reflections, bumped waves surface etc
14:06 RealBadAngel same way there gonna be a shader for lava
14:06 Krock *liquid*
14:06 RealBadAngel not liquid in general, those very tiles only
14:07 RealBadAngel water surface and lava surface in the future
14:07 Megaf Hi everyone, how do we read the server uptime in /status?
14:07 Megaf is that seconds?
14:07 Krock max_lag is seconds
14:07 Krock uptime is deconds
14:07 Krock *seconds
14:08 Krock kaeza has a bad connection today
14:08 Megaf !c 221940 / 60
14:08 MinetestBot 3699
14:08 Megaf !c 3699 / 60
14:08 MinetestBot 61
14:08 Krock hours
14:08 Megaf !c 61 / 24
14:08 MinetestBot 2
14:08 Krock !c 221940.0 / 60.0
14:08 MinetestBot 3699.0
14:08 RealBadAngel https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hubBBzh_190
14:08 RealBadAngel this is water surface shader
14:08 Krock !c 3699.0 / 60.0
14:08 MinetestBot 61.65
14:09 Krock !c 61.65 / 24.0
14:09 MinetestBot 2.56875
14:09 Krock ^
14:09 Krock Megaf ^
14:09 Megaf Ok
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14:25 nman3600 !c 1 + 1
14:25 MinetestBot 2
14:25 nman3600 thanks
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14:26 nman3600 If you circular saw dirt blocks will the dirt turn into grass after  a while?
14:27 Jordach nman3600, nope
14:27 LemonLake Jordach: can you not get grass blocks in your inventory anyhow?
14:28 nman3600 Jordach, It should be possible
14:28 nman3600 In survival mode
14:32 Krock <3 The Les Humphries singers with "Mexico" in the radio!
14:32 nman3600 Krock, Can you remove a box for me on your server, the wrench isn't working
14:32 Krock a simple box isn't that spamy/trolly/annoying
14:32 LemonLake its kinda floating, you see
14:32 LemonLake and in the way
14:33 Krock uuuh floating boxes
14:33 * Jordach feels like starting a Scrabble Tournament
14:33 Krock gimme some CPU power and I'll clean that faster
14:34 * nman3600 gives Krock some CPU power
14:38 nman3600 Krock has stopped responding lol
14:38 Krock I keep sending a "PING" all 60s
14:39 Krock so... I still respond
14:39 ShadowNinja VanessaE: sapier broke HUD IDs, so mods fight each other for the same ID.  Have the bug really fixed in the engine.
14:40 nman3600 Krock, We urgantly need you to help us remove the box pls
14:41 Krock omg end of the world...a floating box
14:41 LemonLake It's RIGHT in the way of our build
14:41 LemonLake and no it's not floating anymore
14:41 Krock gimme mor CPU power
14:41 LemonLake Go buy it yourself
14:42 Krock soon (TM)
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15:07 whiskers75 Krock: pls
15:07 whiskers75 Krock: soon™
15:07 Krock soon™
15:07 Krock now™ I©® compiled minetest with sound!!!
15:07 Krock woo
15:07 LemonLake Yay!
15:08 Krock but I'm too lazy to upload all again
15:08 LemonLake lol
15:08 nman3600 Krock can you restart?
15:08 nman3600 the server
15:08 Krock eye, eye.sir
15:09 nman3600 Thanks
15:11 whiskers75 Krock℠
15:11 Krock I see a square
15:11 Krock maybe don't have that keyset
15:13 Krock omg
15:13 Krock with sound enabled,it takes one minute longer to compile
15:14 * sfan5 meows at Krock
15:14 * Krock meows at sfan5 for buildbot
15:14 * whiskers75 meows at sfan5
15:14 * Krock had an other package of openal
15:14 * Krock always wondered, why it didn't work
15:14 * whiskers75 throws adultcatfinder.com at sfan5
15:15 * PenguinDad doesn't get why there are 5 people doing builds for windows
15:15 * sfan5 throws https://mediacru.sh/0QFT9vYVl0X at whiskers75
15:16 * whiskers75 throws a 404 at sfan5
15:16 * sfan5 throws https://mediacru.sh/0QFT9vYVl0XN at whiskers75
15:16 * whiskers75 doesn't bother to listen
15:16 * whiskers75 vomits out sfan5
15:16 * sfan5 purrs at whiskers75
15:18 PenguinDad Krock: if you want very light builds use -Os
15:20 * Krock compiled and executed: print(sfan5.MoveSticky(&Pilz%Adam__win32_Builds, &Krock_win32_Builds).ToString())
15:20 Krock PenguinDad, huh?
15:20 sfan5 RealBadAngel: https://github.com/minetest/minetest​/commit/6c98fd6658fcf7c0c676ee88f03e​364c852e9f1b#commitcomment-6672665
15:20 sfan5 Krock: parse error at %
15:20 Krock s/%/
15:21 sfan5 sed: -e expression #1, char 4: unterminated `s' command
15:21 Krock error: Unknown command 'sed'
15:24 PenguinDad Krock: get a better os then
15:24 Krock 406
15:25 PenguinDad 418
15:25 Krock 200
15:27 PenguinDad 451
15:27 Krock 303 megaupload.com
15:30 whiskers75 500
15:30 PenguinDad 400
15:30 Krock 403
15:30 whiskers75 http://httpcats.herokuapp.com/100
15:31 PenguinDad 402
15:31 whiskers75 httpcats.herokuapp.com/406
15:31 Krock 100
15:31 nman3600 !title
15:31 MinetestBot nman3600: Document isn't HTML
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15:31 whiskers75 http://httpcats.herokuapp.com/406
15:32 whiskers75 !title
15:32 MinetestBot whiskers75: Document isn't HTML
15:32 nman3600 lol
15:32 whiskers75 !title httpcats.herokuapp.com/406
15:32 MinetestBot whiskers75: Document isn't HTML
15:32 whiskers75 oh
15:32 whiskers75 it's an image
15:32 Krock image
15:32 Krock !!
15:32 whiskers75 http://adultcatfinder.com/
15:32 whiskers75 !title
15:32 MinetestBot whiskers75: Adult Cat Finder
15:32 m5 My irc has just been DDoSed
15:32 Krock trololo
15:32 whiskers75 m5: wat
15:32 m5 So many fucking hosts
15:32 m5 How???
15:33 whiskers75 m5: what?
15:33 Krock LemonLake
15:33 whiskers75 LemonLake?
15:33 * m5 pastes
15:33 m5 http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=Uv9QW1VW
15:34 whiskers75 m5: o
15:34 whiskers75 m5: botnet?
15:34 Krock LemonLake!
15:34 Eater4 !title
15:34 MinetestBot Eater4: Document isn't HTML
15:34 m5 http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=Gwg7RSL0
15:34 whiskers75 Krock: what's LemonLake?
15:34 Eater4 !title
15:34 MinetestBot Eater4: Document isn't HTML
15:34 Krock user
15:35 whiskers75 Krock: who's LemonLake?
15:35 whiskers75 m5: you're running an ircd?
15:35 whiskers75 why?
15:35 Krock someone who already trololo'd zsol's irc network
15:35 m5 It's so fun
15:35 whiskers75 m5: how many users?
15:35 m5 If someone here ddos'd me...
15:35 whiskers75 I used to run an ircd
15:35 m5 do it again
15:36 whiskers75 but it became pointless
15:36 m5 4 legit ones
15:36 whiskers75 m5: if it didn't go down, it's not a DoS
15:36 sfan5 whiskers75: pls no spam,
15:36 whiskers75 sfan5: pls
15:36 m5 So what was that?
15:36 whiskers75 m5: a flood of users
15:36 sfan5 meow
15:36 m5 How?
15:36 whiskers75 a denial of service denies service
15:36 LemonLake hello
15:37 whiskers75 LemonLake: apparently you killed m5?
15:37 Krock <whiskers75>m5: if it didn't go down, it's not a DoS
15:37 Krock it's DDoS
15:37 m5 AN attempt anyway
15:37 m5 Look at the many hosts
15:37 whiskers75 Krock: ಠ_ಠ
15:37 m5 Must be DDoS
15:37 whiskers75 Krock: DDoS is a type of DoS
15:38 whiskers75 m5: it's not made to take your irc net down, I don't think
15:38 whiskers75 it's just a troll
15:38 m5 Well it was funny
15:38 m5 I want it to go again
15:38 m5 Everyone, ping Krock
15:38 whiskers75 m5: what ircd are you running?
15:38 m5 inspircd
15:39 Krock pong
15:39 whiskers75 m5: does it have TS6 link support?
15:39 m5 It's a strange reply
15:39 m5 yes
15:39 duke o.o
15:39 m5 SpanningTree protocol
15:39 Krock x.x
15:40 RealBadAngel sfan5, what about this commit?
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15:51 nman3600 Krock, 3 people on your server (me lemonlake and rhys) want item frames put on your sevrer please?
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15:51 nman3600 server*
15:51 Krock they're not needed
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15:59 nman3600 Krock, Item frames can be used to show what's in a chest, shop, warehouse etc.
15:59 Krock I know that mod
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16:02 nman3600 You can use a screwdriver on doors!
16:02 LemonLake duh
16:02 LemonLake you can use a screwdriver on everything
16:02 LemonLake no surprise
16:03 ecutruin Heyo all.
16:04 OldCoder nman3600, Hi
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16:14 nman3600 OldCoder, Hello
16:15 OldCoder nman3600, Hi. If you and m5 will discuss the mod issue I will be quite pleased to update.
16:16 nman3600 well i'm unable to do a direct download but i've update the download link (apparently i didn't update it) and it'll work now :)
16:17 Krock ,00t,01e,02s,03t,04i,05n,06g,07!
16:18 nman3600 lol it says testing
16:18 nman3600 how'd ya do that? Krock
16:18 Krock magic
16:18 nman3600 Also can i have a link to the skins mod on your server
16:19 PenguinDad ,10P,08r,08i,04s,08m ,08i,09s ,09M,06a,06g,03i,03c,03!
16:19 nman3600 Krock? can i
16:20 Krock it's called u_skins
16:20 Krock .._db
16:20 nman3600 my Zeg9?
16:20 nman3600 by*
16:20 Krock no
16:20 Krock that's not unified
16:20 Krock ./mods
16:22 nman3600 Ahh dmonty's one Krock?
16:22 Krock yes.
16:22 nman3600 K thnx
16:22 nman3600 Time to upload my skin
16:23 nman3600 What license shall i use Krock
16:24 Krock not wtfpl
16:24 nman3600 CC BY-SA 3.0?
16:25 PenguinDad nman3600: Why not CC BY-SA 4.0ß
16:25 PenguinDad s/ß/?/
16:25 nman3600 K i'll do that one then PenguinDad
16:26 Eater4 🌈
16:26 PenguinDad
16:26 PenguinDad ^ Eater4
16:26 Eater4 I did not see that
16:26 Eater4
16:26 nman3600 Ahh i failed my skin so much and i can't remove it
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16:27 Krock F7
16:27 nman3600 ?
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16:52 Calinou 3.0 is more compatible with other projects, but using 4.0 is still a better idea
16:52 Calinou both are free
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16:58 m5 Hi
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17:01 rubenwardy Hi all
17:04 Calinou hi
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17:04 liljnc3 hi
17:05 rubenwardy How does the installation process work on Linux?
17:05 liljnc3 yaya
17:05 liljnc3 idk
17:05 rubenwardy How could I add support for a C++ program to be installed and appear in the applications list? Ubuntu
17:06 SylvieLorxu rubenwardy: Ubuntu is Debian-based, so you should provide a .deb file
17:06 liljnc3 you cant do that from a ipad you need a laptop
17:06 liljnc3 lol
17:06 SylvieLorxu http://www.webupd8.org/2010/01/how-to-​create-deb-package-ubuntu-debian.html <- May help, no clue
17:07 SylvieLorxu I never did it myself :P
17:08 liljnc3 do you know how to make a minetest server
17:08 liljnc3 ?
17:08 rubenwardy minetest --server --worldname world
17:09 rubenwardy for windows, create a file like this in bin:   (run_server.bat)             minetest.exe --server --worldname world
17:09 liljnc3 i mean to put on the server list
17:09 rubenwardy announce_server = true
17:09 m5 server_announce
17:10 liljnc3 ok?
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17:10 liljnc3 hi
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17:11 Megaf rubenwardy; https://wiki.debian.org/Packaging
17:11 Krock !help
17:11 MinetestBot https://github.com/sfan5/minetestb​ot-modules/blob/master/COMMANDS.md
17:12 Krock @echo off | :crash | <minetest server> | goto crash
17:15 liljnc3 so i do annouce_jojo jojo=true
17:16 sfan5 liljnc3: no, you do announce_server=true
17:17 Krock LOL
17:17 rubenwardy it is server_announce = 0
17:17 rubenwardy * server_announce = true
17:17 liljnc3 ok what do i do for server
17:17 rubenwardy https://github.com/minetest/minetest/b​lob/master/minetest.conf.example#L256
17:17 rubenwardy liljnc3: see this section https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blo​b/master/minetest.conf.example#L248-L256
17:17 sfan5 liljnc3: if you want to set the server name use server_name = <your name>
17:18 rubenwardy !up game.minetest.net
17:18 MinetestBot game.minetest.net:30000 seems to be down
17:18 Krock btw, does it matter if I write 1 or true | 0 or false in the settings?
17:18 sfan5 Krock: no
17:18 Krock okay thanks, sfan5
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17:18 liljnc3 ok
17:18 liljnc3 ?
17:19 liljnc3 i still dont get it
17:19 liljnc3 ps hi
17:19 rubenwardy You add those lines to minetest.conf
17:19 rubenwardy use notepad or notepad++
17:19 liljnc3 ?????????????????????????????????????????????????
17:19 rubenwardy remember to remove the # before the sentences that are settings
17:20 rubenwardy Have you port forwarded?
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17:23 Krock (You may notice, this notice is not worth noticing)
17:24 m5 * Ping reply from CraigyDavi: 0.047 second(s)
17:24 Krock liljnc3, it's easy. Just start minetest, select the "Server" tab and start your world!
17:24 sfan5 Krock: this is not how you are supposed to make a server
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17:25 * Krock lowered the niveau and said the best possible
17:28 liljnc3 hi
17:29 liljnc3 use this https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=10&amp;t=8924
17:30 liljnc3 Craigy?
17:30 liljnc3 ??????
17:30 CraigyDavi Hi liljnc3
17:30 liljnc3 i still cant get on your server
17:31 liljnc3 i use 0.4.9
17:31 liljnc3 and on a pc
17:33 MinetestBot GIT: Sapier at GMX dot net commited to minetest/minetest: Minor stability improvements in block emerge handling 9d57413af0 2014-06-15T18:18:57+02:00 http://git.io/JL4iqQ
17:34 liljnc3 ?
17:34 liljnc3 what dose that mean
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17:37 liljnc3 hi
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17:48 Calinou New mese ore texture, improved tin lump texture, tweaked ore generation, added more digging groups to tools.
17:49 * sfan5 meows at Calinou
17:52 Megaf Calinou; where? In minetest_game?
17:52 Megaf or on your game
17:53 sfan5 liljnc3: http://wiki.minetest.net/Setting_up_a_server
17:54 Calinou Megaf, in Carbone of course, I don't have commit access to minetest_game and it's frozen
17:55 Calinou you can dig leaves much faster using swords now, but they lose durability; you can use pickaxes as slower shovels (eg. stone pick digs as fast as wood shovel, with same durability loss for stone and for dirt)
17:55 CraigyDavi Is there a config value to set how far players can reach?
17:56 PenguinDad CraigyDavi: yes and no
17:57 Calinou wooden pickaxes can now dig furnaces and nyan cats too
17:57 Calinou CraigyDavi, mods/default/tools.lua
17:57 Calinou the range can be defined for any node or item, it'll be used when the node or item is in hand
17:57 Calinou avoid ranges > 12, these glitch
17:57 CraigyDavi Where is that set in tools?
17:57 Calinou default in minetest_game is 4, 5 in Carbone
17:57 Calinou range = n
17:58 Calinou where n is range, in the tool definition
17:58 Calinou eg. put this in line 8 of tools.lua: range = 5,
17:58 Krock distance 5 is unrealistic
17:59 Krock 2 would be much better
17:59 Calinou so is 4
17:59 Krock :P
17:59 Calinou the only realistic distance would be 1
17:59 Krock 0.5 if broken leg
17:59 Calinou Minetest isn't about realism and it's about not being boring to play either
17:59 Calinou it's annoying to walk constantly to reach stuff, that's why it's 5 in Carbone
17:59 CraigyDavi Calinou, is that in the wieldhand tool capabilties?
17:59 Calinou (it doesn't feel that long actually)
18:00 Calinou yes
18:00 Calinou the wieldhand definition changes the definitions of all items that don't set their own
18:00 Calinou eg. wooden pick has no range, so it'll use the range of the wieldhand
18:00 CraigyDavi Thanks! I'll try that
18:00 Calinou all items and nodes inherit from : (the hand) :)
18:01 Krock but : is just because : gets removed
18:01 Krock * just   bec
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18:03 CraigyDavi Calinou, It didn't work, does it not work on servers?
18:06 Calinou it's client-side
18:06 Calinou are you using a Git client?
18:06 Calinou I think it's in 0.4.9 but I'm not sure, so you should probably use a recent build or Git
18:06 Calinou did you restart the server? ;)
18:07 CraigyDavi Yes, restarted the server, added to tool capabilities in the hand and using a fairly recent git.
18:10 PenguinDad CraigyDavi: it's not in tool capabilities
18:10 CraigyDavi Ah I see, Ill try again with moving it out of tool capabilities
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18:13 Calinou it's in the definition but outside of tool caps
18:15 PenguinDad Ice caves https://mediacru.sh/EQel36L1Xy7k
18:16 Enke PenguinDad: Neat!
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18:24 nman3600 Krock, Can you restar the server please?
18:25 nman3600 it's super laggy
18:25 Krock tell that core devs
18:25 nman3600 It timed out anyway
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18:25 LemonLake its fine it crashed anyway
18:26 LemonLake omfg
18:26 LemonLake it went back like half an hour
18:26 liljnc3 yaya
18:26 liljnc3 NO LAGGGGGGG
18:26 liljnc3 for me
18:27 nman3600 liljnc3, There's no swearing allowed on that server that's why i kicked you
18:28 Krock irc.inchra.net #minetest please
18:28 liljnc3 ok sorry people kept killing me so i said that ok?
18:29 nman3600 Krock why?
18:29 Krock this channel here does belong to server dicussions
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18:31 Calinou PenguinDad, the ice texture in default is not so good
18:31 Calinou feels like a game from the 80s
18:34 Enke Calinou: Any ideas on how to fix it?
18:34 Enke Without translucency support, it's kinda hard to get one right.
18:37 Calinou get stone texture, recolour it :P
18:37 Calinou even while keeping it opaque, it'll look better
18:38 Calinou https://cdn.mediacru.sh/Ud2KsHzdbd51.png
18:38 Calinou Carbone's ice made opaque, for example
18:39 Calinou ice is supposed to be quite smooth
18:39 Enke Yeah, that sounds like a good idea.
18:40 Enke I wonder if....
18:40 Jordach hello ecutruin
18:41 ecutruin Heyo Jordach.  How goes?
18:41 Jordach ecutruin, not baD
18:41 LemonLake ice is actually white
18:41 Jordach derp (i keep getting worse at typing)
18:41 LemonLake if not a little green or gray
18:41 LemonLake no idea where blue came from
18:41 Enke Calinou: here's the one we used for Gitpack. https://github.com/realtinymonster/gitpa​ck-minetest/blob/master/default_ice.png
18:42 LemonLake thats more like icey snow but its better
18:46 Calinou <LemonLake> ice is actually white
18:46 Calinou yeah, but it would look similar to snow, probably
18:46 LemonLake aight fellas gnight
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18:47 * Jordach prefers blueish ice
18:47 * sfan5 meows at Jordach
18:47 Jordach and with Raytracing - i can prove why
18:49 ecutruin Jordach, is there any way in MT to determine where on a block you clicked? (aka.. could I detect that you clicked on a specific part of a block, versus another specific part).
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18:50 Calinou I highly doubt it
18:50 kaeza ecutruin, jin_xi's paintings mod has a function to detect where you clicked in the painting IIRC
18:51 jin_xi its for an entity idk do nodes have on punch? then it should be possible
18:51 ecutruin Ooh.  Awesome, kaeza, do you happen to have a link to the git off hand (or forum thread).. if not, I'll hunt it down.
18:51 kaeza jin_xi, they do
18:52 jin_xi still, you dont know which face got hit
18:52 jin_xi https://github.com/obneq/paint​ing/blob/master/init.lua#L426
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18:53 jin_xi above works because its a 2d thing with known orientation
18:55 * ecutruin hrms.
18:56 ecutruin I can detect when I click on entities though, no matter their position/rotation?
18:56 jin_xi sure
18:57 jin_xi for nodes, you might be able to use node and playerpos and lookdir to figure out which face of the node was hit
18:57 jin_xi and from there which part of said face
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18:58 ecutruin Essentially what I'm wanting to do is have something akin to Multipart from Minecraft.
18:58 ecutruin I'm thinking entities are the way to go.. but, that feels like it'd end up being a metric ton of them in world.. and I'm not sure how resource efficient they are in MT.
18:59 jin_xi they are not
19:00 ecutruin Hrm.  I may be stuck with only using the multipart concept for my crafting.. and using more limited blocks otherwise.
19:01 jin_xi multipart looks nice
19:01 Krock mulitpart? huh?
19:01 ecutruin CB is quite the crazy genius when it comes to coding.
19:02 ecutruin Krock, I'm a mod designer from the Minecraft community, looking at making a switch to MT. :3
19:02 Krock ecutruin, okay. your level will drop because lua is much easier than java
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19:04 Jordach ecutruin, with Lua, you can actually attempt at making your mod framework
19:04 Jordach rather than: 1) program java, 2) compile 3) replace binaries
19:05 Jordach and repeat
19:06 ecutruin Jordach, language doesn't actually matter all that much.  The primary difference is that the LUA bridge of MT is designed around the concept of making content.  So it hides away things you really don't need to focus on in the backend C side, and instead gives you a nice platform to work from.
19:06 ecutruin People keep giving Java grief, but honestly, its not a bad language at all...even for programming games in.
19:07 ecutruin The issue is that MC is not even remotely optimized, and its definitely not currently coded with third-party content creation in mind.
19:07 ecutruin Kronk, I have no idea what you mean by 'my level will drop'...
19:08 Jordach +1 for Kronk
19:08 Krock "Registered users: Bing [Bot], Exabot [Bot], Google [Bot], Majestic-12 [Bot], YaCy [Bot]"
19:08 Krock -1 for Kronk
19:09 jin_xi for something like that dynamic nodedef or what it was called is needed
19:09 kaeza +1 for Kronk http://static.comicvine.com/uploads​/scale_small/0/77/1130380-left.jpg
19:09 Krock "The primary difference is that the LUA bridge of MT is designed around the concept of making content." https://github.com/mniip/LUA
19:10 m5 How do I block ALL CAPS names from entering?
19:10 Krock +1 for kaeza
19:10 Kronk NickServ: This nickname is registered
19:10 Kronk fuuu
19:11 kaeza m5, minetest.register_on_prejoinplayer(function(name) if name:match("[A-Z]+") then return "Nope!" end end)
19:11 Krock I know kronk! that crazy dude from cuzco
19:11 m5 Thanks
19:12 jin_xi >_>
19:13 kaeza <_<
19:13 m5 http://pastie.org/9292857 Like this?
19:14 kaeza probably
19:16 ecutruin lol.
19:17 ecutruin Krock, sorry for the name garble.  Point still stands, I still have no idea what you meant. xD
19:17 Krock nvm
19:18 Calinou <jin_xi> they are not
19:19 Calinou I can have 999 rats with 40 FPS and no big server lag
19:19 Calinou these are quite dynamic entities, physical
19:19 Calinou but entities should never be used for static block-like things
19:19 ecutruin Calinou, yet...that's exactly what I need them for..
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19:20 jin_xi some more dynamic nodes would be very nice
19:21 jin_xi possible to change textures, or nodeboxes even
19:21 kaeza meta_set_nodedef
19:21 jin_xi thats the name
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19:23 Mallot1_ hey guyas
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19:43 ecutruin kaeza, would setting notedefs allow for altering the physical shape and appearance of nodes dynamically through code?  If so, yeah.. that shoule solve a lot of the issues. ^-^;
19:44 Mallot1 ^.^
19:44 ecutruin should*
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19:45 Mallot1_ will
19:46 ecutruin I say 'should' because there may be other forseen issues I've not considered with implementing what I wish to implement.
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19:46 Mallot1_ yea i know i was jking
19:47 Mallot1_ so hows fathers day for you guys
19:48 ecutruin I mean, cause essentially what I need is a system in which I could have a 3D stick object, place it in-world.. place a 3D stone object next to it (in the same block), and then use a vine on them to create a 3D hammer object that now sits where they were, that I can then pickup.
19:51 ecutruin Now, of course, I could do that right now with entities.. but what if I want to use the stones for decorations and leave them all over the place?
19:51 ecutruin Tons of static entities to keep track of.
19:53 Jordach TIL kaeza wears a beanie
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19:55 PenguinDad TIL TIL could also mean "this is life"
20:12 Calinou https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.ph​p?f=3&amp;t=156&amp;start=2200#p145015
20:12 Calinou I have full diamond stuff on Just test
20:12 Calinou no apples though :s
20:19 Calinou remade first post: https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=15&amp;t=9033
20:19 Calinou night
20:21 Calinou by the way, anyone has an interesting “item frame” mod? if so, send me a memo (/ms send Calinou link-to-mod) or forum PM, thanks in advance
20:22 kaeza Jordach, http://i.imgur.com/qN4blC0.jpg
20:22 Jordach kaeza, u has headset
20:23 * Jordach discovered that it's possible to do some amazing shit with auto-generated bumpmapping in Blener
20:24 kaeza +d
20:27 Jordach https://cdn.mediacru.sh/vXsT6bmDPYH5.png
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20:27 kaeza noice
20:27 Jordach it seems to work in 2.71 beta stuff
20:28 kaeza byyyyyyy the way
20:28 Jordach 2.71 test builds and release notes available :)
20:28 Jordach yus?
20:28 kaeza have you thought about adding an animated chest to BFD
20:28 kaeza +?
20:28 Jordach nope.avi
20:28 Jordach https://cdn.mediacru.sh/-lMKuLd-O5hO.jpg
20:28 Jordach kaeza, meshnodes pl0x
20:29 Jordach which RealBadAngel should be poking me for a mesh
20:29 kaeza animated chests are doable with entities :|
20:29 kaeza nice photo
20:29 Jordach yeah. but not properly
20:31 Jordach or as i'd like
20:31 kaeza just provide some proper mesh and I'll make teh codez
20:31 Jordach kaeza, interesting factoid: my generation 1-7 stuff is availible in a folder on drop-the-bass-box
20:31 Jordach with proper original files + uv maps
20:32 Jordach https://www.dropbox.com/sh/16wflwf​dvbs8xu3/AADei8AH2Hxsxw5eDFY8uqZva
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20:33 * kaeza downloads random files from there
20:33 Jordach kaeza, if i'm working on a secret blend; it isn't uploaded despite BEING STORED THERE
20:34 Jordach and there's two of them :3
20:34 Jordach https://cdn.mediacru.sh/eYrKxehxtgvx.png
20:39 Jordach nearly 60 pages of MediaCrush history :)
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20:58 PilzAdam https://github.com/minetest/minete​st/pull/1346#issuecomment-46117865 Taoki, rm -rf src/* -> performance increase: over 9000
20:59 Taoki heh
21:00 PilzAdam sfan5, https://github.com/minetest/minete​st/pull/1375#issuecomment-46121984 "You did not tell me not to distribute it." thats not how copyright works
21:01 PilzAdam Taoki, also please don't ping me without saying anything relevant
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21:01 Taoki PilzAdam: Ok. Wanted to ask you about something and was making sure you're around first
21:01 Taoki will keep in mind
21:02 PilzAdam does the existence of the question depend on me being around?
21:03 PilzAdam if not then you could have just asked it and I could answer you faster
21:03 Taoki Yeah, true too. Well,
21:04 Taoki I'm thinking of making a little fork of minetest_game and some mods of my own. I want to include the original mobf you made in it, possibly with slightly modified mobs but the same code. However, I'd like it if they could have the damage and death sounds. Are you willing to still include these?
21:04 Taoki I have in the Creatures mod, so I can mention where myself
21:05 Taoki It's just two play_sound lines
21:05 Taoki It would make a bit more detail possible with the original mod. So if you wish, I can even make a pull request for it, or pastebin where to add the lines
21:06 PilzAdam mobf is by sapier
21:06 Jordach n00000000000000b
21:07 Taoki erm, simplemobs, sorry >.<
21:07 PilzAdam IIRC I already told you that a while ago
21:07 Jordach >.>
21:07 Taoki I think you told me about multiple sounds
21:07 PilzAdam why don't you use the creatures mod?
21:07 Taoki It's a very different thing, i won't include it in every game I make. I want to make more of a pack of good mods
21:08 Taoki But with original code if possible
21:09 Taoki So a pull request for that wouldn't be ok for your version?
21:10 PilzAdam what does that mean?
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21:13 Taoki PilzAdam: If I add those sound triggers to your code and make a pull request, will you accept it? I know the mod is frozen, but I was wondering is a small correction like that is still fine\
21:14 PilzAdam what does "frozen" mean?
21:14 PilzAdam Im just not working on it currently
21:14 Taoki Yeah, I guess I understood that as a feature freeze
21:15 Taoki And wasn't sure if working on it applies to small things or pull requests
21:20 Taoki Guess I'll make the pull request when I get around to it, and we'll see then
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21:55 VanessaE ow.
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