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00:01 VanessaE Peacock: there IS a pull for that (sun/moon) but it doesn't apply to current git.
00:01 paramat so i need to limit how air spreads through vacuum nodes in moonrealm mod, currently a single airleak turns into an exponential spread that causes abm meltdown and leaves massive air cuboids in the realm.
00:01 VanessaE (and your idea would indeed work, btw)
00:02 VanessaE (but it would only be able to turn off the sun/moon at startup, and only for the server as a whole, or for one client at a time by texture packs)
00:02 Peacock well if you can get rid of either sattelite by just using a transparent texture thats good enough, so long as the engine doesn't use any other effects around the texture (hello eclipse lol)
00:03 Peacock paramat did you try using the value thing i talked about?
00:03 paramat giving air a value was suggested, does anyone know of a good mod code example of this?
00:03 paramat :D
00:03 Peacock well i dont know if you need an example
00:03 VanessaE Peacock: right, in which case you just provide a transparent 1x1 texture for either or both, and change the tonemap for the remaining one to adjust how it should shift colors over time (if at all/needed)
00:04 Peacock when an air source produces air, you give it a meta int of say 50, and the abm that runs on air checks that meta int, does -1 for the new air nodes, until you reach 1 when it stops
00:04 VanessaE Peacock: an all-white tone map would cause the remaining image e.g. the sun, to be displayed exactly as textured, which is probably what one would want in a space realm (e.g. no atmospheric/Rayleigh tinting)
00:05 Peacock that way, you could use trees out in the open (no domes) and have a radius (or cuboid) around it with air, without scrapping the whole atmosphere :)
00:05 paramat yeah, stored in param2 perhaps, i need to learn setting that
00:05 Peacock param2?
00:06 Peacock not sure using params for things other than they were intended is a good idea :/ meta is fast enough
00:06 paramat oh cool okay :) im clueless on meta stuff
00:06 Peacock V you need to tell paramat about that, he's working on moonrealm :P i stopped working on my space game three months ago when the skybox thing appeared but was never pulled (until now) lol
00:06 Peacock well for meta setuff
00:06 Peacock *stuff
00:07 Peacock minetest.get_meta(pos):set_int('spread',50)
00:07 blaise hrmm
00:07 Peacock and minetest.get_meta(pos):get_int('spread')
00:07 paramat nice thanks
00:08 Peacock if youre having trouble just pastebin the stuff and ill help
00:10 paramat yeah all these skyboxes, custom satellites need to be per player, for many players in various realms ...
00:11 Peacock well, they could be per-map if a server could run more than one map at a time and had setpos(mapname,pos)
00:11 Peacock or rather setpos(pos,mapname<optional>)
00:12 Peacock i dont know how the space game in MC does it, but you click on the earth and you're back on earth lol
00:13 blaise minetest is getting a space program?
00:14 paramat hehe im watching yogscast galacticraft at the moment
00:14 blaise are we going to call it the NASA mod ?
00:14 paramat spacetest of course
00:16 Peacock i was thinking morespacenodeplus ;)
00:17 paramat nore's pull is interesting #1119 does it theoretically allow maps to expand beyond 33000?
00:17 Peacock followed up by PilzAdam's morespacenodeplus
00:17 paramat https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/1119
00:17 paramat hehe
00:18 Peacock not sure what that pull does
00:19 paramat brings camera back to origin and shifts the whole map, every 200 nodes (!) amazing
00:20 Peacock sounds kinda sketchy
00:20 paramat certainly :D
00:21 Peacock of course things disappearing and flickering goes on at my end no matter where im at
00:21 paramat at y = 15000 i can even get full nodes to flicker by flying 300 nodes above them
00:22 blaise eh, what's up with player textures?
00:22 Peacock though i wish the horizon would flicker between black and white underground
00:22 Peacock *wouldn't
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00:48 blaise gah
00:48 blaise the cute8 texture pack...
00:49 blaise I can't even tell what is what!
00:49 VanessaE blah, forget all the others and use HDX :)
00:49 VanessaE there's no ambiguity then :D
00:49 blaise lmao
00:49 blaise VanessaE: are there any player textures yet?
00:50 VanessaE no.
00:50 blaise it's a little disturbing that everyone looks the same
00:50 VanessaE that's one thing I don't know how to do and make it look right
00:50 VanessaE heh
00:50 Peacock i made a UPS delivery guy texture, but people thought it looked like a third reich uniform so that had to go lol
00:50 blaise lmao
00:52 Peacock though it kinda drives me nuts that player textures on the 3d model blackens out intermittently
00:52 VanessaE Peacock: that's long since been fixed.
00:52 VanessaE update your old-ass client :P
00:53 Peacock long? was still going on on the dec 30th version
00:53 VanessaE Dec 30?  um, dude, it's Feb. 3 now.
00:53 Peacock a month and 3 or 4 days? thats two paycheques to most people, not that long lol
00:54 Peacock running the jan 28th now but haven't had outside lan people connect
00:55 Peacock will have to update again for the skybox thingy as soon as i can find 5 decent textures for it
00:55 VanessaE not sure which of these commits fixes the lighting bug though
00:56 VanessaE but it was fixed.
00:56 Peacock the random dark and light spots?
00:56 VanessaE those haven't been fixed.
00:56 VanessaE I meant the player model lighting.
00:56 Peacock what other lighting bug then? the smooth lighting on nodeboxes?
00:56 VanessaE players don't randomly turn black anymore.
00:57 Peacock oh that, thats good at least, i always figured that happened because players were laggin
00:57 VanessaE nope
00:57 Peacock the ones that moved never did that
00:58 VanessaE https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commi​t/d76957ee22c27adab89cee551e3ab1c85d8717cc
00:58 VanessaE there it is.
01:00 Peacock damn, a lot of these skybox textures have a sun in them :/
01:02 blaise hrmm
01:02 blaise so I was digging out the ground to add another floor to my house, and suddenly everything went black
01:02 blaise :(
01:02 Peacock whats your pos?
01:03 blaise I can't tell
01:03 VanessaE I haven't bothered with a skybox for HDX because no one has explained to me how the fucking work
01:03 VanessaE they*
01:03 blaise I got disconnected
01:03 blaise apparently the server is still catching up though
01:03 blaise according to the server log I'm still laying block
01:03 Peacock the skybox is a giant node :P
01:04 VanessaE that's some nasty lag, blaise  :)
01:04 VanessaE Peacock: got a link to an example?
01:04 Peacock if everything went black he might have been teleported off the map
01:04 blaise you aint kidding!
01:04 blaise I can't even believe it
01:04 Peacock https://github.com/minetest/minetes​t/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L1816
01:05 blaise if I knew what mod was causing the lag I'd disable it
01:05 blaise I probably need to update them..
01:05 blaise too bad it's not as easy as a 'git pull'
01:05 blaise lmao
01:05 VanessaE oh G*d not the set_sky() method
01:05 VanessaE I meant the "regular" skyboxes.
01:05 VanessaE oh wait, they didn't bother to add support for those, did they
01:05 Peacock ?
01:06 VanessaE so still hard-coded algorithmic day/night skyboxes
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01:06 Peacock considering how long it took just to pull this, i dont know what more you could expect from them on such short notice :P
01:07 Peacock we have like a dozen devs, but i get the impression one or two are doing most of the work lately lol
01:09 VanessaE Peacock: look at the pull request.
01:09 VanessaE I raised that concern right away
01:10 Peacock i dont think any more work was done on it, the only thing that changed was paramat asked that it be pulled
01:12 Peacock for what he needs it for it's good enough
01:13 VanessaE yeah but if the world has no *default* how the fuck am I supposed to texture it?
01:13 Peacock by setting a custom one
01:13 VanessaE custom != default
01:14 Peacock regular is the default, the pull doesn't intend for texture packs to come with unique skies, it's intended for mods and games that want to set one
01:15 Peacock the default setup doesnt even use textures, its just colors and dots for stars
01:15 VanessaE that's my point.
01:15 Peacock well thats a completely different request then what paramat asked for and got
01:15 VanessaE there is NO way to texture the default sky at all.
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01:16 Peacock well you'd have to argue with the devs to replace the default sky with textures, and that they put those textures in default, THEN texture packs can change them
01:16 VanessaE you mean .... like the way it was in 0.3.x? :)
01:17 Peacock yeah but i doubt they'll want to go back now
01:17 Peacock i also preferred the hotbar on the side to be honest, all my screens are 16:9
01:17 VanessaE 16:9 on a computer monitor is a travesty :P
01:17 Peacock its 2014
01:18 Peacock i can tile windows side by side or watch movies without those ugly black bars
01:18 Peacock *and
01:19 Peacock and even then the newer tower could use a dual monitor
01:20 Peacock though were still waiting on a new desk cuz with the new external drive there's no more room left anywhere lol
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02:20 iluvpeeps7 Hi
02:20 iluvpeeps7 Am I inirc
02:21 iluvpeeps7 am i in irc
02:21 iluvpeeps7 :P
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02:39 blaise 02:38:04: ERROR[main]: /home/blaise/.minetest/textures/base/pack/logo.png
02:40 blaise Could not open file of texture: /home/blaise/.minetest/textures/base/pack/logo.png
02:40 blaise o.O
02:52 fwilson O_O
02:59 VanessaE I thought that had been fixed long ago
03:05 blaise 0.4.9 on both dedicated server and client
03:05 blaise running latest kernel and userland in linux
03:05 blaise compiled with gcc-4.8.2
03:05 blaise :)
03:06 blaise but no -O3.. I played it safe and did compile optimization level 2 CFLAGS="-O2"
03:06 blaise :D
03:06 blaise so I dunno
03:07 blaise I'm going to have to roll the server over soon
03:07 blaise for some reason I can't craft anything
03:07 blaise it just keeps popping back in my inventory...
03:08 blaise I've restarted the client 5 times, same results
03:26 blaise did everyone die?
03:30 VanessaE zzzzzz
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03:44 blaise I tried to use the cobble slab as a mantle for my fireplaces
03:44 blaise it's too wide.....
03:44 blaise :\
03:45 blaise I wish I knew of some way to make a fire grate or something.. little bars or what not
03:48 VanessaE use the metal bars from homedecor
03:48 VanessaE those might work
03:48 VanessaE (they were carried over from the 3dforniture mod)
03:55 us_0gb I bet that would look very nice.
03:55 us_0gb Especially with lava sources behind them.
03:58 Peacock i loved the toilet from forniture
03:58 Peacock i made a Game of Thrones tribute with them
03:58 Peacock 6d toilets... takes some marksmanship XD
04:04 VanessaE hah
04:06 Peacock well for women it should be easier, they already hover over standard (public) toilets o_O
04:08 MinetestBot GIT: kwolekr commited to minetest/minetest: Update minetest.conf.example 2927a327ca 2014-02-03T19:50:14-08:00 http://git.io/FbOZJg
04:08 MinetestBot GIT: kwolekr commited to minetest/minetest: Huge overhaul of the entire MapgenParams system 5a34f40d80 2014-02-03T19:50:14-08:00 http://git.io/3Rk9GQ
04:08 MinetestBot GIT: kwolekr commited to minetest/minetest: Settings: Add no-exception variants of each get method a439343844 2014-02-03T19:47:40-08:00 http://git.io/5S8dvg
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04:37 VanessaE wow, after paring down all the dead accounts on my servers where users signed in, did nothing, never got interact, then signed out, I am down to just under 4,000 legit accounts.  that's down from nearly 30,000.
04:37 VanessaE (across all six servers)
04:39 iqualfragile VanessaE: i do that automaticly whenever i render a map
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04:40 iqualfragile i even think about adding some lines to move players that did not log in for longer then x ms to an oldplayers directory or something
04:40 VanessaE I might just add something similar to my nightly procedure, but something feels wrong about it, because I'd be "randomly" transporting players back to spawn who just wanted to sign in to have a look around
04:41 iqualfragile true
04:41 iqualfragile so optimum might be to remove playerfiles of players that have no interact and did not log in for a while
04:42 iqualfragile i just reactivated server_announce, lets prepare for incomming
04:49 VanessaE yeah
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04:53 hmmmm that's still quite a bit of accounts
04:54 hmmmm minetest's entire structure doesn't scale
04:55 hmmmm if I were designing a minetest server on my own that wasn't initially intended to be a toy application i'd make it a real database
05:04 Peacock please do, 5k userfiles is a lot for a week
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05:17 paramat i just remembered to release this lua mapgen example mod https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=8483
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06:01 reactor HELO
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09:46 Megaf weird, updated minetest and minetest server and all I get now when I login is a dark grey screen
09:47 Megaf or gray
09:49 Megaf yep, server is not sending the world to clients
09:50 Peacock seems legit
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09:56 Megaf I cant see anything out of ordinary here https://paste.debian.net/80069/
09:57 Megaf VanessaE, you there? Is it possible to rollback a git pull?
10:00 pitriss git checkout or git reset --hard
10:04 Megaf nope
10:04 Megaf didnt work
10:05 Megaf its really hard for you to keep this working, isnt it?
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10:13 john_minetest Hello everypony!
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10:14 john_minetest AKG K141 Mk II ftw!
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10:47 Megaf how do I do to get a specific "snapshot"? I mean, like 284fc0b
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11:25 artur99 Woah! Im a star: "Is Miner_48er stupid or just asking too many questions? 44.0% lines contained a question!
11:25 artur99 artur99 didn't know that much either. 42.4% of his/her lines were questions."
11:26 artur99 this is made counting the ? the question marks??
11:30 artur99 O.O Woah!!! VanessaE spoke a total of 263158 words!
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12:20 Megaf_ PenguinDad: Hi there
12:21 PenguinDad hi Megaf
12:21 Megaf_ so you have the same issue I have?
12:21 PenguinDad yes but in singleplayer
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12:41 Megaf_ PenguinDad: what is you backpack mod about? Does it allow players to fly withou fly priv?
12:42 PenguinDad no it's more like the backpack in nodetopia
12:43 Megaf_ ah, backpack, I missunderstood it, like, jetpack :P
12:43 Megaf_ I have backpacks already, from inufied_inventory
12:43 Megaf_ unified*
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12:47 sfan5 !deop sfan5 VanessaE
12:47 sfan5 hi everyone
12:57 PenguinDad Megaf_: https://github.com/minetest/minetes​t/issues/1134#issuecomment-34056550
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13:23 Megaf_ Hi sfan5
13:23 sfan5 hi Megaf_
13:23 PenguinDad third person view sucks :(
13:26 Megaf_ sfan5: can you take a look at this please? https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/1134
13:26 sfan5 ok
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13:27 RagnarLaud hello
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13:27 RagnarLaud VanessaE, could you help me with hooking my website to a .tk domain?
13:27 RagnarLaud with a DNS record
13:29 sfan5 Megaf_: is there any server I could connect to to reproduce this
13:31 Megaf_ sfan5: Not at the moment, I can put one online when I get home,
13:31 RagnarLaud sfan5, could you help?
13:31 Megaf_ going home right now
13:31 sfan5 RagnarLaud: hooking up a website to a .tk domain is not hard
13:31 sfan5 just log into the webinterface and change the url it points to
13:32 RagnarLaud could you please help me step by step in pm? i tried to do it, but i failed
13:35 VanessaE Why would I know anything about .tk domains?
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13:35 VanessaE artur99: yeah, I talk too much :P
13:35 RagnarLaud where's artur?
13:36 RagnarLaud DOOD!
13:36 artur99 here
13:36 artur99 hi
13:37 VanessaE Megaf_: regarding rolling back git..  git reset --hard <some commit ID here>   where the ID is the last commit you know for sure worked right.  then you recompile.  you can also,  git checkout <commit ID>  which is the preferred way for some folks.
13:37 RagnarLaud dood, help me! with the tk and DNS
13:37 artur99 the lanch is done
13:37 artur99 ok
13:37 artur99 will you make the account on tk, or me?
13:38 VanessaE Megaf, so for the ID you gave, you'd do:  git reset --hard 284fc0b  and then re-compile.
13:42 VanessaE hm, I guess you already figured it out.
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13:43 VanessaE Why does everyone always have to ask ME these questions while I'm afk?
13:44 VanessaE Megaf_: have you done a proper git bisect, or did you just stop at commit 284fc0b ?
13:51 RagnarLaud artur99?
13:52 artur99 yeah
13:52 artur99 what?
13:52 artur99 my connection was slow for a few sec
14:08 sfan5 !tell john_minetest http://i.imgur.com/xRPBWSw.jpg
14:08 MinetestBot sfan5: I'll pass that on when john_minetest is around
14:08 RagnarLaud sfan5?!
14:08 RagnarLaud why didn't i know that it could do that?
14:09 sfan5 !tell RagnarLaud yes?
14:09 sfan5 MinetestBot!
14:09 sfan5 ..
14:09 MinetestBot sfan5: I'll pass that on when RagnarLaud is around
14:09 MinetestBot sfan5!
14:09 sfan5 because you didn't  read the docs
14:09 RagnarLaud there are docs on it?
14:10 sfan5 yes
14:10 sfan5 !help
14:10 MinetestBot https://github.com/sfan5/minetestb​ot-modules/blob/master/COMMANDS.md
14:10 RagnarLaud nice ;)
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14:12 Taoki Are there any screenshots of the new player:set_sky system and how it can be used? It's great to finally see this, but hard to test it now
14:12 sfan5 I haven't seen any screenshots yet
14:12 sfan5 RagnarLaud: say something again
14:13 RagnarLaud oh, i got it working already
14:13 RagnarLaud but thanks anyway
14:13 sfan5 hm
14:14 sfan5 why isn't this working
14:15 RagnarLaud what isnt?
14:16 sfan5 the !tell thing
14:16 sfan5 !tell RagnarLaud test test
14:16 MinetestBot sfan5: I'll pass that on when RagnarLaud is around
14:17 RagnarLaud oh :D
14:17 RagnarLaud it only tells you that it's going to pass it on, but actually doesnt...
14:17 RagnarLaud LIAR!
14:17 sfan5 it should tell you what I said just now
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14:22 RagnarLaud i know
14:24 Megaf_ VanessaE: I did checkout has
14:24 Megaf_ hash*
14:25 VanessaE that'll work too
14:25 VanessaE I use reset --hard, more out of habit than anything else
14:25 RagnarLaud VanessaE, I'm an exclusive seller on CodeCanyon
14:25 RagnarLaud :)
14:28 Megaf_ sfan5: I buinding a test server right now
14:28 sfan5 ok
14:31 Megaf_ sfan5: just did a git clone from master, megaf.no-ip.info 30000
14:31 sfan5 MinetestBot!
14:32 Megaf_ sfan5: same issue
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14:34 Megaf_ sfan5: are you going to login? megaf.no-ip.info 30000
14:34 Megaf_ there you are
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14:37 sfan5 Megaf_: it's this bug: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/1132
14:41 sfan5 !tell john_minetest http://i.imgur.com/xRPBWSw.jpg
14:41 MinetestBot sfan5: I'll pass that on when john_minetest is around
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14:56 Megaf_ Im back
14:59 Megaf_ sfan5: yep, I saw that too yesterday, but I wasnt sure if it was related or not
14:59 Taoki Is latest GIT broken? Even if I create a new world or load an old one, everything is gray and nothing loads or generates
14:59 Megaf_ Taoki: yes it is
14:59 Megaf_ https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/1132
14:59 VanessaE Why am I the only one who doesn't have a huge problem with that bug?
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14:59 Taoki oh
15:00 VanessaE I mean, it happens to me, but it resolves itself within one or two seconds when it happens
15:00 Megaf_ VanessaE: try megaf.no-ip.info 30000
15:01 Megaf_ just a fresh and clean test server
15:01 VanessaE sapier and I have been talking at length about it, btw
15:01 VanessaE we know what's going on and are trying to devise a solution that'll work for everyone
15:02 VanessaE Megaf_: all grey for me.
15:02 Megaf_ I think the problem affects all clients regardless its version
15:03 VanessaE idk why it's so broken on your server, my servers are simply not so severely affected
15:03 VanessaE it's like EVERYTHING goes wrong for you, Megaf_  :-/
15:03 Megaf_ VanessaE: well, try a fresh git clone and it will happen the same to you
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15:04 Megaf_ VanessaE: I like to search and find bugs, I test everything I can
15:04 Taoki Perhpas cache affects it? I'll try with new cache
15:04 Megaf_ I'm always overusing and overtesting
15:05 Megaf_ Taoki: it does not, Im trying with fresh server and fresh client
15:05 Taoki Ah, ok then
15:05 VanessaE Megaf_: I am at git HEAD minus a few commits.
15:05 Taoki VanessaE: So it still works for you? This is quite interesting now...
15:05 VanessaE Taoki: no, his server does not work for me.
15:05 VanessaE Taoki: but my servers do.
15:05 VanessaE Megaf_: try my server.
15:06 VanessaE Megaf_: digitalaudioconcepts.com 30005
15:06 Taoki VanessaE: And you can connect to your server with your cloent, both latest GIT master?
15:06 Taoki **client
15:06 VanessaE Taoki: both are close enough to latest git to matter, yes
15:07 VanessaE my server is at commit 458045d49fd96cf19bdd61b2f8dbdbc0fd11b587
15:07 meldrian_onTour Hi, i like to mention that the ppa-link on launchpad for lucid-users got a typo in it. it says "stabl" instead of "stable". Somebody might fix that, so far the link's not working
15:07 Taoki Ok. Close might not be accurate enough. Can you please update to latest and try there?
15:07 VanessaE (which is three commits behind HEAD - I pulled last night just before hmmmm put his latest mapgen v7 stuff in)
15:08 VanessaE Taoki: ^^^^^^^^^^
15:08 Taoki VanessaE: Maybe those changes could be a cause? I would suggest we try with latest GIT
15:08 Taoki To be sure
15:08 VanessaE my client is at the same commit also.
15:08 VanessaE so both are up to date as of last night.
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15:09 VanessaE Taoki: I can't update right now, my server has people on it.
15:09 Taoki ok
15:09 VanessaE well I can stage it for later of cours.e..
15:09 Taoki Trying to connect withlatest client, which for me is broken locally
15:09 Taoki It worked
15:10 VanessaE ok, pulling to lastest git for my client...
15:10 VanessaE I can at least do that much
15:11 VanessaE server's been updated but it won't deploy until the next restart, tomorrow morning.
15:11 VanessaE (or if it crashes in the meantime)
15:12 Taoki Matest GIt client works well. Which means it might be a server issue
15:13 VanessaE latest git doesn't work for me on megaf's server.
15:13 Megaf_ It does not depend on client version
15:13 Megaf_ its totally a server side issue
15:13 VanessaE Megaf_: it's definitely something screwed up on your server config
15:13 VanessaE maybe a write permissions issue or something
15:14 Taoki Likely means Megaf_ server uses latest GIT
15:14 Megaf_ yep
15:14 VanessaE Taoki: my servers use latest git
15:14 Megaf_ from couple of minutes ago
15:14 VanessaE they're only three commits back and they work fine.
15:14 VanessaE and those commits are for mapgen v7 stuff
15:14 VanessaE Megaf_: you're not using mapgen v7 are you?
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15:16 Megaf_ VanessaE: that happens on my v6 server, now its working because what I said earlier, and I dont know about this latest one, I just cloned it, compiled it and runned it
15:16 Megaf_ s/runned/ran
15:16 VanessaE Megaf_: I mean on your world config.
15:16 Megaf_ VanessaE:  https://paste.debian.net/80115/
15:17 VanessaE BAH!  stop using https with an invalid certificate!
15:17 Megaf_ its not invalid, check you clock
15:17 VanessaE "This Connection is Untrusted
15:17 VanessaE You have asked Firefox to connect securely to paste.debian.net, but we can't confirm that your connection is secure.
15:17 VanessaE Normally, when you try to connect securely, sites will present trusted identification to prove that you are going to the right place. However, this site's identity can't be verified."
15:18 VanessaE Technical details says ----->  "paste.debian.net uses an invalid security certificate. The certificate is not trusted because the issuer certificate is unknown."
15:18 VanessaE so yeah.
15:18 VanessaE please don't tell me what I'm reading
15:18 Megaf_ I have nothing to do with that
15:19 VanessaE don't use a pastebin that throws invalid certificates.  just use a plaintext pastebin.
15:19 VanessaE anyways,
15:19 VanessaE what is your world config on the "dead" server?
15:19 VanessaE is it mapgen v7?
15:20 Megaf_ v6
15:20 VanessaE ok
15:20 Megaf_ VanessaE: my other server is fine, with an older commit, megaf.no-ip.info 30003
15:21 ShadowNinja VanessaE: The CA is probably not well known.  Downloading their cert should fix it.
15:21 ShadowNinja BTW, those commits touched all mapgens.
15:22 Megaf_ ShadowNinja: I have a site with self signed certificate, firefox will alway complay about that, and so will chrome
15:22 VanessaE ok we have a problem.
15:22 VanessaE ShadowNinja: --> -dev
15:22 Megaf_ ShadowNinja: is there anything I can do about that?
15:22 VanessaE Megaf_: I can confirm your bug now.
15:22 VanessaE I just reproduced it locally in sp.
15:23 Megaf_ VanessaE: my bug, Taoki's bug and PenguinDad's bug
15:23 VanessaE well whoever you want to assign it to
15:24 ShadowNinja kwolekr's bug.  :-)
15:25 Megaf_ VanessaE: by the way, it was pretty quick to connect to your server
15:25 VanessaE it always is
15:25 VanessaE I've put in much effort to improve it
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15:27 VanessaE at least as much as I can as the operator and from a modding standpoint anyway
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15:35 VanessaE Megaf_: for safety, I'm rolling back my server to 284fc0b8 per your suggestion.
15:35 VanessaE (just in case some random mod causes a restart.  don't need a bad build causing users to panic)
15:36 Megaf_ VanessaE: you are doing good
15:36 Megaf_ I have nothing to complain about 284fc0b8
15:36 Megaf_ And you know very well that I complain a lot
15:37 VanessaE yup
15:37 VanessaE complaints are good
15:37 VanessaE especially if you pipe them into an issue report as you did
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15:40 Megaf_ lol. I did a pacman like thing with pipeworks
15:41 Megaf_ nodes are wandering in a pipe mesh
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15:41 VanessaE haha
15:41 VanessaE nodes/
15:41 VanessaE ?
15:42 Megaf_ not nodes, they kids
15:42 Megaf_ the small ones
15:42 Megaf_ I have an automated cactus growing farm
15:42 Megaf_ to use them as fuel
15:43 Megaf_ and I was remaking the piping work, so for a small period of time I got a mesh of pipes, and small cactus itemns started to wander around
15:44 Megaf_ I can even stop them growing
15:45 VanessaE oh haha
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16:15 Jordach http://i.imgur.com/2cBIcGg.jpg
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16:16 Enke Now you just need the two old men playing checkers1
16:16 Jordach Enke, 1 week 3 days until 4K mayhem
16:17 Enke OboyOboyOboyOboyOboyOboyOboyOboy
16:17 Jordach i mean multiple renders in one day
16:17 Jordach (i've built the scenes beforehand)
16:18 Enke Right.
16:18 Jordach my upload is going to be strained as fuck
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16:19 Jordach minus the HDX; http://i.imgur.com/cUEMuzR.png
16:20 VanessaE see?  HDX makes everything better :D
16:20 Jordach not my fault blender attempts to be Photorealistic
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16:22 VanessaE Jordach: I have a marble texture that would look good on that plate:
16:22 Jordach VanessaE, later
16:22 VanessaE see msg
16:23 VanessaE too late :)
16:23 VanessaE you're committed now ;)
16:23 Jordach NOT THE PINGS! NOT THE PINGS!!!
16:25 * VanessaE pings Jordach randomly :)
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16:26 VanessaE haha
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16:33 * VanessaE pings J0rdach randomly some more ;)
16:35 Jordach http://i.imgur.com/qyMGuVn.png
16:35 EvergreenTree Pin
16:35 EvergreenTree *Ping
16:35 VanessaE ok now a metal texture.....   lesse..
16:35 Jordach VanessaE, no noise pl0x
16:35 VanessaE brushed or smooth?\
16:35 Jordach metal curlery IRL don't have much noise (because you can't see the fucking things at a distance)
16:36 VanessaE well derp, let your virtual camera's depth of focus handle it like it's supposed to?
16:36 Jordach VanessaE, blender doesn't have DoF by default
16:36 Jordach you have to composite it
16:36 VanessaE seriously? O_o
16:37 Calinou don't overdo DoF
16:37 Calinou better have none than too much
16:37 VanessaE you didn't answer me - brushed or smooth? :)
16:37 Jordach VanessaE, most 3D rendering raytracers are like that
16:37 Jordach brushed smooth
16:38 Jordach but seriously keep it blurry as fuck
16:39 Jordach whoever decided to /give Jordach ctcp:ping is an asshole
16:40 VanessaE mmmm
16:40 VanessaE I have nothing suitable for flateware/cutlery.
16:40 VanessaE -
16:40 VanessaE -e
16:41 Megaf_ "/give Jordach ctcp:ping"
16:41 Megaf_ it would be cool an IRC client that follows minetest syntax
16:41 Jordach VanessaE, http://i.imgur.com/XsAXurA.png <- anybetter?
16:42 VanessaE the closest I have is this:  http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbi​es/minetest/images/moreores_silver_block.jpg
16:42 Jordach VanessaE, take a picture of some cutlery them
16:42 Jordach s/m/n
16:43 VanessaE (when applied to the flatware, the texture will probably disappear due to the scaling anyway)
16:43 Jordach get a colour down and i can replicate in blender
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16:44 Capt_j I need help with a bug
16:44 VanessaE Jordach: with the flatware I use, it's straight silver-grey, no color shift at all
16:45 VanessaE you need to add reflective properties to it
16:45 VanessaE e.g. the chairs/table/plates need to reflect off of the flatware after you apply your texture
16:45 VanessaE unless you're going for a titanium look anyway
16:46 Megaf_ Capt_j: what bug?
16:46 Megaf_ the grey screen of death?
16:46 Megaf_ gray*
16:46 Jordach VanessaE, already supported by blender
16:46 Capt_j Well I was playing on the server, everything was going fine
16:46 VanessaE Jordach: so I assumed.
16:46 Capt_j then I got interact permission, and when I try to break a block i crash
16:46 Capt_j and i cant login to the server with that account again
16:47 Capt_j and I got that gray screen thing sometimes when I try
16:47 VanessaE he was probably playing on my server :)
16:47 Capt_j yeagh
16:47 Capt_j I was haha.
16:47 Capt_j I am Havixil/Jeremy
16:47 VanessaE hi Jeremy/Jeremy2 :)
16:47 VanessaE are you using an Android client?
16:47 VanessaE if so, we can't fix that
16:47 Capt_j im in ubuntu
16:47 VanessaE ok
16:48 Jordach VanessaE, http://i.imgur.com/y2hqx30.png
16:48 Jordach any better?
16:48 VanessaE a bit, yeah
16:48 VanessaE but G*d those low rez textures :)
16:48 Jordach can't help that :P
16:49 Megaf_ Jordach: don´t you have updates to do?
16:49 Jordach updates?
16:49 Capt_j so is there a way to fix my problem?
16:49 Jordach Capt_j, sounds like drivers
16:49 Megaf_ Jordach: thos two exclamation marks
16:49 VanessaE Capt_j: proprietary drivers?  how old is your minetest version?
16:49 Capt_j i think i got latest but how do I check minetest version
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16:49 Jordach Megaf_, i ignore them - it tries to give me GIMP 2.8
16:50 Capt_j Minetest 0.4.9 it says
16:50 Jordach Capt_j, try ubuntu menu -> Settings -> Additional Drivers
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16:51 Megaf_ why are you teeling him stuff about drivers? You dont even know what his GPU is
16:51 Megaf_ what if he got an Intel
16:51 Jordach Megaf_, usually the cause with ubuntu
16:51 Capt_j yeah I think its intel
16:51 Jordach GMA, HD 1/2/3/4XXX?
16:51 Megaf_ And the gray thing its a now well know bug
16:51 Capt_j its an old comp, decided to play minetest since my xbox live is done haha
16:52 Capt_j ill check graphics one sec
16:53 Capt_j ah its integrated :(
16:53 VanessaE Megaf_: if he's using Ubuntu and 0.4.9, he won't be hit by that bug yet - he was able to sign onto my server and start to dig...
16:54 Capt_j do you know why this occurs when I break blocks tho?
16:54 VanessaE Capt_j: in your settings menu, is "preload item visuals" turned on?
16:55 Capt_j i think its off lemme check
16:55 Capt_j its off
16:55 VanessaE Capt_j: try turning it on and see how it behaves then
16:55 Capt_j alright.
16:55 VanessaE and also turn off things like bumpmapping.
16:55 VanessaE fiddle with those settings, see what effect they have for you
16:56 VanessaE if you find a combination that works, please report it
16:56 Capt_j yeah I had shaders turned off
16:56 VanessaE and also,
16:56 VanessaE ok good
16:56 Capt_j what about filters
16:56 Capt_j anisotropic?
16:56 VanessaE at some point if you can get us a gdb trace of the crash and file a bug report at https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/new it would be most helpul
16:56 VanessaE turn that off too
16:57 VanessaE turn everything off for now
16:57 VanessaE (except smooth lighting, fancy trees and 3d clouds)
16:58 Capt_j im logged in as havixil2
16:58 Capt_j smooth lighting, fancy trees and 3d clouds on
16:58 Capt_j everything else off
16:59 VanessaE try it.
17:00 Capt_j well
17:00 Capt_j it let me break a block and crashed right after the block disappeared
17:01 VanessaE and you just timed out
17:01 VanessaE now, what happens if you sign into that account again?
17:01 VanessaE and what error did it give you?
17:01 Capt_j draw hotbar() mainlist null
17:01 Capt_j something like that
17:01 Capt_j in grey screen
17:01 Capt_j I could see my hand for a second
17:02 VanessaE ignore that
17:02 VanessaE that's a server glitch actually
17:02 VanessaE in your console
17:02 Capt_j okay
17:02 VanessaE launch minetest from a terminal
17:02 Capt_j k
17:02 Capt_j in .minetest rite?
17:02 Capt_j o
17:02 VanessaE you don't need to be in any specific dir
17:03 VanessaE just open a terminal and run 'minetest'
17:03 VanessaE then copy&paste the output from the terminal into a pastebin site like pastebin.ubuntu.com and give us the link to the result.
17:03 Capt_j Unsupported texture format Mesa 8.0.4 implementation error: unexpected format GL_DEPTH_COMPONENT in _mesa_choose_tex_format()
17:03 VanessaE don't paste it here
17:03 Capt_j oh haha
17:03 VanessaE however,
17:03 VanessaE that may be notable :)
17:04 VanessaE sounds like your video driver is b0rk3d :)
17:04 VanessaE what version of ubuntu?
17:05 Capt_j 12.04 but i have another HDD with the latest version of ubuntu
17:05 VanessaE odd
17:06 VanessaE I run it on 12.04 also
17:06 VanessaE but I build from sources.
17:06 Capt_j but intel video driver installer doesnt work above 12.04
17:06 VanessaE but I also don't use any kind of onboard gfx
17:06 VanessaE that may be why.
17:06 Megaf_ VanessaE: did you build the whole Ubuntu?
17:06 VanessaE you need to gt your video driver sorted first.
17:06 Capt_j yeah I usually only use this comp for internet and stuff and game on the 360
17:06 Capt_j but really want to play minetest :D
17:06 Capt_j since I seem to get stable framerates lol
17:07 VanessaE Megaf_: nope.  straight, clean 12.04 with just my usual set of stuff from apt, plus minetest built from git sources.
17:07 * Jordach has the same
17:07 VanessaE Capt_j: ok, get your video driver fixed first, then go get minetest sources from this link:  https://github.com/minetest/minetest/archive/​284fc0b88569075187019a1b311312e64e79d937.zip
17:07 Capt_j vannesa btw http://pastebin.com/fb0aL8Dk
17:07 VanessaE then compile the sources using these instructions:  https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/284fc0b​88569075187019a1b311312e64e79d937/README.txt#L83
17:08 VanessaE (the special link is to make sure you get a very recent copy of the minetest source but NOT the latest, which is presently broken)
17:08 VanessaE now looking at your link....
17:08 Capt_j seems to crash after Loaded texture: /usr/share/minetest/textur​es/base/pack/sunrisebg.png
17:08 VanessaE hah!  floating point exception.  Nice :)
17:09 Capt_j huh
17:09 VanessaE that mesa error tells me it's all in your video driver, so fix that first.
17:09 Capt_j it cant into math lol?
17:09 Capt_j okay ill download the intel driver downloader
17:11 Capt_j yeh intel says the driver app supports my specific one
17:15 Capt_j brb
17:16 Megaf_ I never had such issues
17:16 Megaf_ Well, I use Debian...
17:17 PenguinDad i use fedora and i never had driver issues weird
17:18 Megaf_ yep, and minetest works fine with my EeePC 701 (GMA oldish slowish) Celeron @ 630 MHz Slow Edition
17:19 Megaf_ VanessaE: perhaps that file is borked /usr/share/minetest/textur​es/base/pack/sunrisebg.png
17:20 VanessaE Megaf_: even if it is, a program should never misbehave like that because of a damaged image file.
17:20 VanessaE either load the file and try to render it, or don't load the file at all.
17:20 VanessaE however
17:20 VanessaE if you'd noticed,
17:20 VanessaE he said he already can play the game
17:20 VanessaE but he crashes as soon as he digs a block
17:21 VanessaE so the sunrise image is not the issue
17:21 VanessaE the issue is the render-to-texture routine
17:21 VanessaE and what driver feature irrlicht uses to achieve that function
17:21 VanessaE which means his driver is b0rk3d.
17:22 Jordach if you're planning on gaming and using MESA drivers, you're statistically fucked
17:24 PenguinDad my card works fine with free drivers
17:24 * sfan5 throws Jordach at Jordach
17:24 Jordach what
17:25 Megaf_ PenguinDad: so do mine
17:25 Megaf_ I use a Radeon HD 4200
17:25 Megaf_ works fine with open source driver
17:25 Megaf_ sfan5: That was heavy
17:26 PenguinDad i have a nvidia GTX 650
17:27 * Jordach re-runs cloth sim
17:27 Jordach 0.04 fps
17:27 Jordach oh fuck
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17:28 Jordach engrish
17:31 * Megaf_ starts do wonder a Pineapple Clock and a Pine Apple and a Pine Apple Clock
17:31 pineappleclock good question
17:34 Megaf_ Jordach: you could render what I'm wondering about
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17:35 Capt_J Vanessa I think I found a temp solution for my problem lol
17:35 VanessaE oh?
17:36 Capt_J I found a third HDD with windows xp on it lol
17:36 Capt_J so might try playing on windows
17:36 VanessaE ew
17:36 Capt_J its available for windows right?
17:36 VanessaE yeah
17:36 Capt_J i know ew lol
17:36 Capt_J but i wanna playyy ;D
17:37 VanessaE I told you to fix your busted driver and compile it from sources :)
17:37 Capt_J i cant fix driver
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17:38 Capt_J not supported for ubuntu 12.04
17:38 Capt_J doesnt work for latest either :/
17:40 VanessaE hrm
17:40 VanessaE maybe the latest ubuntu won't need it?
17:41 Capt_J i tried on latest
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17:41 Capt_J 3d wont even work without drivers lol
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17:48 Megaf_ lubuntu is ok
17:48 Megaf_ not that bad
17:49 Megaf_ give a try to Debian 7.3
17:49 Megaf_ you can isntall gnome, kde, lxde or whatever you want
17:51 Capt_J cool
17:52 Capt_J will it run okay on this old comp haha
17:54 VanessaE I use Xubuntu here (12.04)
17:54 VanessaE and debian on my server
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17:56 Megaf_ Capt_J: you will be quite happy with Debian and XFCE
17:56 Megaf_ or even GNOME
17:56 Megaf_ Capt_J: I use Debian 7 with GNOME on a Celeron 630 Mhz
17:57 Capt_J can I install debian through usb if I get the iso?
17:58 VanessaE sure
17:58 VanessaE I've done that before.
17:59 VanessaE pretty much all distros can do that now can't they?
17:59 Capt_J beats me
17:59 Megaf_ yep, my netbook doesnt have a cdrom
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18:00 PilzAdam Hello everyone!
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18:01 Capt_J well im going to install debian on the HDD and hope my wireless adapter is supported haha
18:02 SylvieLorxu Wouldn't you want to check fi... okay
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18:06 Megaf_ Hi PilzAdam, How are things?
18:06 PilzAdam good?
18:07 Megaf_ Are they?
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18:07 PilzAdam I havent really though about the details yet, but in general I think they are good
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18:16 PilzAdam "Option 5, rollback what you changed and change again only when you have a solution." https://github.com/minetest/minetes​t/issues/1132#issuecomment-34066760
18:16 PilzAdam Megaf_, you shouldnt use dev versions if you want stuff to work
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18:38 rubenwardy heh
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18:40 Megaf_ PilzAdam: I used to use only stable version, than every single time I had an issue people here would always tell me that it was fixed already on the dev version...
18:41 Megaf_ and they always told me the stable was old
18:41 PilzAdam Megaf_, you shouldnt listen to people who tell you to use unstable versions
18:41 Megaf_ now finally I'm using dev, getting some bugs fixed and you tell me to use stable
18:42 Megaf_ PilzAdam: in that case, I should not listen to any dev here
18:42 Megaf_ PilzAdam: anyway, I'm pretty happy with the commit im using
18:43 PilzAdam if you use dev then dont complain if things are not working
18:43 PilzAdam you can tell us about it (and you should do that), but you are not allowed to complain
18:44 Megaf_ all right sir
18:51 Megaf_ I'm sorry
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19:30 Megaf_ folks, you can add #Minetest-Br to the minetest site, for the Brazilian minetest channel
19:32 Megaf_ here > http://minetest.net/irc
19:33 Megaf_ #Minetest-Br Brazilian Channel
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19:39 ShadowNinja If we add that we should also add -es and anything in the ENTRYMSG.
19:39 ShadowNinja Only -de and -es are in the ENTRYMSG though.
19:40 EvergreenTree It looks like it is part of ENTRYMSG
19:41 Megaf_ VanessaE: You are using this mod, areant you? (markers) https://forum.minetest.net​/viewtopic.php?pid=124128
19:41 Megaf_ Is it as good as it looks?
19:41 VanessaE it works pretty well for most
19:42 Megaf_ Sokomine: congrats for your mod, the way you got to the way it is is pretty good
19:42 ShadowNinja The code style could use work.  But it makes it even easier to use areas.
19:43 Megaf_ "It tries to make it far easier by taking into account what I've seen players do when they want to show a moderator which area they want."
19:43 Megaf_ I think that could be an even friendly markers like mod
19:43 Megaf_ something with height and deep pre defined on server side
19:43 Megaf_ or it could use some variable from areas mod
19:44 Megaf_ or in areas mod could be a pre defined area, like, 20x40x20
19:45 Megaf_ And I think description should  really need, but rather optional
19:56 Sokomine Megaf_: thanks. yes, that was how/why i developed this mod
19:57 Sokomine Megaf_: you can change what is suggested as height and depth. players who mark areas usually do not take that into account. they usually just ask for "as high as possible" or some rounded-up number
19:59 Sokomine the description is helpful once the areas get more. otherwise, you won't know what area 1234 actually stands for. location, size and owner may be hints, but without the area name, you generally don't have any idea
20:02 twoelk Is there any way to dump the areas list to local file?
20:02 Sokomine what would a preconfigured area be good for? i see some point to it in certain situations - admins/moderators/town owners may set up areas of land for settlement
20:02 twoelk I would love to feed such a list to a mapping tool
20:02 Sokomine twoelk: you mean: from another server? one you do not control? no
20:02 twoelk :-(
20:02 Sokomine ah, yes. if you have control over the server, it works. the data is a normal lua table
20:02 Sokomine twoelk: regarding redcrab?
20:02 twoelk for example
20:03 twoelk like the overlay on landrush server map
20:04 twoelk been fiddling with such things for a while now
20:04 Sokomine twoelk: with redcrab, you might be helped. moderators there have access to the list. it is not yet the areas mod - shadowninja said something about his mod beeing able to import the data from its predecessor (which still runs on redcrab)
20:04 twoelk sounds interesting
20:04 Sokomine ah, yes. i think such a map would be very intresting
20:04 Sokomine it might even help as a map for general orientation (i.e. "where am i on this server? where are the major buildings?")
20:04 twoelk it would show where people have build
20:05 Sokomine at least what is protected, yes
20:05 twoelk or at least consider worth protecting something
20:05 * twoelk types slooowly
20:05 ShadowNinja With a few lines of code you should be able to make areas use JSON, whish will be easily readable by JavaScript.
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20:05 Jordach http://i.imgur.com/7JZdFj6.png
20:06 twoelk that sounds like it could be fed to openlayers or leaflet
20:13 ShadowNinja twoelk: Apply this and add areas:save() somewhere after areas:load().
20:14 ShadowNinja http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6874981/
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20:15 ShadowNinja Produces this with my test world: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6874989/
20:16 ShadowNinja With Json::StyledWriter: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6874996/
20:21 harrison http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZHJ_jpqkwo
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20:46 john_minetest Hey again
20:47 john_minetest Btw, is the port to android for minetest getting forward? I know that freeminer is usable now but I never really heard anything about minetest itself.
20:47 EvergreenTree tsetenim_nhoj olleh
20:48 EvergreenTree !rev MinetestBot
20:48 MinetestBot toBtseteniM
20:48 EvergreenTree ping free greeting
20:48 EvergreenTree :P
20:51 ShadowNinja Jordach: Is https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/pull/234 fixed in SamII+capes?
20:56 john_minetest !rev tsetenim_nhoj olleh
20:56 MinetestBot hello john_minetest
20:56 john_minetest Oh, hello EvergreenTree
20:58 john_minetest Doing maths for university...
20:59 john_minetest It is strange how we learn a ton of stuff in one semester that is SO useful. Half a year.
21:00 john_minetest Instead of cutting away one year, they should have teached us that stuff.
21:00 * Jordach can't be bothered about academia and decides life skills courses are the way to go
21:00 john_minetest life skills?
21:01 Jordach i dislike the idea of learn learn learn when it never fucking comes up in real life
21:01 john_minetest Learning can be very interesting.
21:02 john_minetest Of course not all of that stuff is needed again. But while you learn it, you meet cool people, get some portfolio and got an excuse for chilling a bit ;)
21:04 john_minetest And you get cool things like cheap food in the mensa, free train tickets, cheaper prices everywhere and more.
21:08 john_minetest Btw, my mother sent me a chocolate coated chocolate cake today :D
21:08 john_minetest And a linzer torte.
21:08 john_minetest http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linzer_torte
21:11 Jordach john_minetest, http://www.zimagez.com/zimage​/screenshot-040214-210721.php
21:12 Jordach i'm currently 2/6 4K images
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21:18 pineappleclock is stuff like the nether ever going to be implemented in core minetest or will that need to be some sort of mod?
21:18 VanessaE probably never.
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21:19 VanessaE nether is a minecraft thing.  I don't think anyone really wants that in minetest by default
21:20 pineappleclock is there a up-to-date roadmap?
21:21 VanessaE minetest_game is more or less done, nothing major is planned for it I guess
21:21 VanessaE engine stuff is all anyone's doing now.
21:21 pineappleclock I'd like to get into development but I have a lot of C++ catching up to do
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21:31 Daimanu hi everyone
21:33 john_minetest the elephant's dream open movie is SO epic.
21:33 john_minetest just rendering some of the models included there.
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21:36 ShadowNinja Those open movies don't seem to make much sense story-wise, but they show off blender's capabilities pretty well.
21:36 ShadowNinja The exception being the bunny one, I think...
21:36 ShadowNinja (In the first point)
21:38 john_minetest Well, they are somehow more artistic than story-heavy.
21:38 john_minetest Like there is one dealing with shizophrenia and stuff.
21:38 john_minetest Okay, I should learn how to render videos.
21:38 john_minetest = make them smaller
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21:40 john_minetest Anybody knows some one-liner to compress an avi a bit?
21:41 sfan5 avi
21:41 sfan5 why avi?
21:41 sfan5 avi is shit
21:42 sfan5 ffmpeg -i somefile.avi -vcodec libx264 -crf 20 -acodec libopus somefile.mkv
21:42 sfan5 if your ffmpeg doesn't support opus: https://gist.github.com/sfa​n5/8672767#file-ffbuild-sh
21:44 john_minetest a.pomf.se/smhtxq.mkv
21:44 john_minetest yay!
21:44 PilzAdam bye
21:45 john_minetest I should leave, too.
21:45 john_minetest cya
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21:45 sfan5 good night
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22:37 Megaf_ VanessaE: ping
22:37 VanessaE pong
22:37 Jordach pliong
22:37 Megaf_ VanessaE: Id like to know your opnion on something in my server, related to pipeworks, can you join briefly please?
22:38 Megaf_ !up megaf.no-ip.info 30003
22:38 MinetestBot megaf.no-ip.info:30003 is up (709ms)
22:38 VanessaE not now
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22:40 ___ +
22:40 ___ HI
22:41 Jordach !deop VanessaE
22:41 Jordach !next
22:41 MinetestBot Another satisfied customer. Next!
22:41 VanessaE haha
22:41 VanessaE chickenshit :)
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22:48 EvergreenTree My computer knocked down two 4k renders for Jordach in 30 seconds.  :D
22:48 iqualfragile EvergreenTree: http://z0r.de/1838
22:48 EvergreenTree lol
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22:57 hoodedice Ubuntu is being a jerk
22:58 hoodedice Removed ia32-libs, and made it almost impossible to install it
22:58 fwilson hoodedice: of course, it's ubuntu!
22:59 hoodedice *Xubuntu.
22:59 fwilson still buntu :p
22:59 fwilson try Gentoo on ia64!
22:59 hoodedice Ah, true stereotype
22:59 fwilson that was a _pain_
22:59 hoodedice The son is being discriminated due to his father.
22:59 * fwilson <3 his itanium cluster
23:00 hoodedice And all I want to do is play a visual novel.
23:00 hoodedice ^.^
23:00 fwilson :p
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23:00 hoodedice WHY ARE YOU REMOVING THOSE PACKAGES?!
23:01 hoodedice Worst thing is that linux doesn't have srs, or something similar
23:01 harrison hoodedice: i can tell you what is happening
23:01 frogcrush Wait... Visual novels exist?
23:01 hoodedice But music is still awesomer than windows without srs
23:01 hoodedice Yes, harrison?
23:01 harrison ia32libs goes away. it no longer exists with the new kernels
23:02 hoodedice I've seen the forums
23:02 harrison you will have to use multiarch
23:02 hoodedice They tried to do another mir here
23:02 harrison at first it is a huge hassle
23:02 harrison but
23:02 harrison we cannot stop progress
23:02 hoodedice That's what it is! I just can't configure multiarch properly
23:03 hoodedice Worst of all, it gives me that crappy 'file not found' shit
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23:06 Peacock i was gonna update today for the skybox and kickplayer functions but i hear the latest git is not loading maps, fixed yet?
23:06 hoodedice !g minetest git
23:06 MinetestBot hoodedice: https://github.com/minetest/minetest
23:06 VanessaE nope, not fixed yet.
23:06 hoodedice Do it yourself XP
23:06 VanessaE don't update beyond 458045d49f.
23:06 Peacock well ill hold off then im not good git kung fu lol
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23:07 VanessaE hmmmm's commits last night broke the emergethread or something
23:07 hoodedice Oh great. Thanks VanessaE.
23:07 hoodedice Maybe he was drunk XD?
23:07 Peacock i thought all he changed was that mapgen params function..
23:10 VanessaE idk what all was changed.
23:10 Peacock weird i can't find those pulls in closed :/
23:11 hoodedice just great...
23:12 hoodedice The awesome software center removed itself, or I derped.
23:12 EvergreenTree Does this require a hard reset?
23:12 Peacock ah found them on his gh profile/page whatever it's called
23:12 Peacock update minetest.conf, overhaul mapgenparams, and add no-exception of get method... im guessing its the last one
23:14 * hoodedice installs python x32 bit, Software center commits suicide.
23:14 Peacock ugh, python lol
23:14 * hoodedice Fixes Software center, python x32 bit commits suicide.
23:14 Peacock i have a collection of scripts that each use different versions of python, so obviously they all have to be installed lol
23:14 hoodedice Oh, how I love ubuntu
23:15 hoodedice Using ubuntu 64 bit was my greatest mistake
23:15 Peacock well you might have some 64/32bit compat issues somewhere
23:15 hoodedice Peacock, how much RAM does your server use?
23:15 Peacock ah fuck i forget how much this box has
23:16 hoodedice Ren'py. Half the novels I got are 32 fcking bit
23:16 Peacock where do i find my ram? (kinda miss the 'System Properties' from win right about now lol)
23:17 hoodedice I think it was
23:18 hoodedice lshw?
23:18 Peacock that was stupid it's written on conky lol
23:18 Peacock 3.45gb
23:18 hoodedice sudo lshw
23:18 hoodedice lol
23:18 Peacock im guessing the 0.45 is the video memory
23:18 hoodedice Well, last time, with Nodetopia, and 30+ mods. 4 players on max, used 2 GB
23:18 hoodedice I have 4
23:18 Peacock in any case minetest server doesn't use up all my ram but it tends to max out both cores (cpu) somehow
23:18 hoodedice Well, mine ran 50% on aerage
23:19 hoodedice Celeron - no heating at all
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23:19 hoodedice It gets hotter on IRC than on minetest XD
23:19 Peacock odd lol i get decent ram and bad cpu perf
23:19 Peacock vlc playing bluray uses less cpu lol
23:20 hoodedice Celeron is just freakin awesome.
23:21 hoodedice If only intel didn't lock it...
23:21 Peacock i'll be sure to tell him next i see him
23:21 hoodedice =|
23:21 hoodedice Lame.
23:21 Peacock lol
23:21 Peacock well 99% of the time that's who they're talking about here
23:21 Peacock i thought they stopped making the chips years ago
23:22 hoodedice This is a touchscreen laptop with Windows 8. I guess it mst be 2013 or later
23:22 Peacock ugh, touch screen
23:22 hoodedice Meh, I like it.
23:22 * Enke shivers
23:23 Peacock yeah but for 25 fucking years i've getting pissed at people who come over and stick their fingers on my screens to point at things... now with touchscreens they have an excuse "oh i thought.." lol
23:23 hoodedice On laptops, it is actually practicable
23:23 hoodedice rofl. For me, problem is only my 2 year old cousin
23:23 hoodedice That guy is, well *something bad which I would not like to call my cousin anyway*
23:24 hoodedice He comes over and taps the screen. ANd since he knows it ticks me off, he does it EVEN more!
23:25 Peacock what was even worse though was armchair-experts installing random shit and changing configs lol
23:25 Peacock windows users stopped doing that, linux users just install linux on unsuspecting windows users (correlation?) :p
23:26 hoodedice I don't exactly get you?
23:26 hoodedice Please use simple english.
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23:26 Enke Peacock: revenge.
23:26 Peacock well in the 90s, people would install random apps (on win) claiming it would make things better, it usually just turned out to be spyware/toolbars
23:27 Peacock some would completely bork your setup after promising to make it faster lol
23:27 hoodedice oh.
23:27 hoodedice It still happens even now XD
23:27 Peacock nowadays its mostly linux advocates installing linux on unsuspecting windows users (hoping they won't notice lol)
23:28 hoodedice =|
23:28 Peacock though i didn't complain, a lot of those unsuspecting windows users came to me and paid me to set things back the way they were lol
23:28 VanessaE honestly, I've never heard of anyone doing that would the user's permission
23:29 VanessaE or if the windows install was totally botched and HAD to be rewritten anyway
23:29 VanessaE in which case it was always "try this, if you don't like it, tell me."
23:29 VanessaE (never done that myself, though)
23:30 Peacock well like i said, those idiots did it for free, i got paid to set things back lol
23:30 Peacock a lot of them were told they'd notice no difference, until they tried getting their favorite app/game to work
23:30 VanessaE really though, when you have to fix a person's OS too often, you have four choices: 1. say "no" and deal wth the fallout; 2. charge money; 3. keep reinstalling and do it for free; 4. install something that's less likely to break.
23:31 Peacock 4: not linux, thats OSX lol
23:31 Peacock 1: if you're not getting paid, yeah don't bother
23:31 Peacock 2: thumbs up
23:31 Peacock 3: give em a crash course on not clicking/installing random shit
23:32 VanessaE 4:  OSX on commodity PCs?  I think Apple will want to have a talk with you.....
23:32 Peacock im sure they give about as much a shit than MS cares about people using pirated windows lol
23:32 VanessaE 1:  say "no" to your mom?  good luck with that.  2:  charge your mom money?  you're funny.
23:32 VanessaE 3:  user's don't listen.
23:33 VanessaE 4: Since when does OSX run on random commodity hardware?
23:33 Peacock having had me around, my mom knows better than to do shady things on the PC or let people do shady things to her PC
23:33 VanessaE user's?  *hangs head in shame for misusing an apostrophe*
23:34 Peacock either way, linux is not less likely to break, i have several lost weekends to attest to that. tho the main problem always comes when the win user finds out they can't run their favorite software
23:35 hoodedice Later.
23:36 hoodedice Headache. Thank you, ubuntu
23:36 Peacock i guess thats the difference between the paid tech guy and the unpaid advocate, the paid guy doesn't have time to convince anyone to try alternative software (which is hard enough to do anyhow)
23:37 Peacock sucks though, judging from hoodedice's experience, i should probably hold off puting 64bit CB on this box :/
23:37 hoodedice Is CB based on buntu?
23:38 Peacock used to, now they use deb
23:39 Peacock though i wish they'd update to slightly more recent repos
23:40 VanessaE CB?
23:40 VanessaE oh
23:40 VanessaE crunchbang
23:40 Peacock archbang's cousin lol
23:40 VanessaE everyone's still afraid of amd64 builds?
23:41 Peacock well hoodedice seems ot be having problems anyhow
23:41 VanessaE here I thought I was the last of the 32-bit holdouts...and even I switched over two years ago :P
23:42 Peacock well i didn't really think when i installed CB, i have the 1 disc, a p4, an atomn450, and the new tower which is 64bit
23:42 Peacock im not even sure if the netbook is 32 or 64 lol
23:53 EvergreenTree VanessaE, If I was still on my laptop, I would be a 32 bit holdout
23:54 VanessaE EvergreenTree: well I'm talking about for those folks who can run amd64 that is
23:54 VanessaE (can but choose not to)
23:54 EvergreenTree ah
23:54 EvergreenTree in that case, no.  :P
23:54 EvergreenTree I couldn't use all my ram If I went 32-bit
23:55 Peacock well i look forward to the day where you have a single install media that can figure that out on it's own lol
23:58 VanessaE well that's doable now I think
23:59 VanessaE it's more a matter of whether you wanna spend all that space to duplicate all those packages
23:59 VanessaE it's either 6-8 GB worth of install media and have everything like usual, or ~4GB worth but have to really REALLY trim it down to fit.
23:59 VanessaE (and install most everything over the 'net)

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