Time  Nick            Message
00:01 VanessaE        Peacock: there IS a pull for that (sun/moon) but it doesn't apply to current git.
00:01 paramat         so i need to limit how air spreads through vacuum nodes in moonrealm mod, currently a single airleak turns into an exponential spread that causes abm meltdown and leaves massive air cuboids in the realm.
00:01 VanessaE        (and your idea would indeed work, btw)
00:02 VanessaE        (but it would only be able to turn off the sun/moon at startup, and only for the server as a whole, or for one client at a time by texture packs)
00:02 Peacock         well if you can get rid of either sattelite by just using a transparent texture thats good enough, so long as the engine doesn't use any other effects around the texture (hello eclipse lol)
00:03 Peacock         paramat did you try using the value thing i talked about?
00:03 paramat         giving air a value was suggested, does anyone know of a good mod code example of this?
00:03 paramat         :D
00:03 Peacock         well i dont know if you need an example
00:03 VanessaE        Peacock: right, in which case you just provide a transparent 1x1 texture for either or both, and change the tonemap for the remaining one to adjust how it should shift colors over time (if at all/needed)
00:04 Peacock         when an air source produces air, you give it a meta int of say 50, and the abm that runs on air checks that meta int, does -1 for the new air nodes, until you reach 1 when it stops
00:04 VanessaE        Peacock: an all-white tone map would cause the remaining image e.g. the sun, to be displayed exactly as textured, which is probably what one would want in a space realm (e.g. no atmospheric/Rayleigh tinting)
00:05 Peacock         that way, you could use trees out in the open (no domes) and have a radius (or cuboid) around it with air, without scrapping the whole atmosphere :)
00:05 paramat         yeah, stored in param2 perhaps, i need to learn setting that
00:05 Peacock         param2?
00:06 Peacock         not sure using params for things other than they were intended is a good idea :/ meta is fast enough
00:06 paramat         oh cool okay :) im clueless on meta stuff
00:06 Peacock         V you need to tell paramat about that, he's working on moonrealm :P i stopped working on my space game three months ago when the skybox thing appeared but was never pulled (until now) lol
00:06 Peacock         well for meta setuff
00:06 Peacock         *stuff
00:07 Peacock         minetest.get_meta(pos):set_int('spread',50)
00:07 blaise          hrmm
00:07 Peacock         and minetest.get_meta(pos):get_int('spread')
00:07 paramat         nice thanks
00:08 Peacock         if youre having trouble just pastebin the stuff and ill help
00:10 paramat         yeah all these skyboxes, custom satellites need to be per player, for many players in various realms ...
00:11 Peacock         well, they could be per-map if a server could run more than one map at a time and had setpos(mapname,pos)
00:11 Peacock         or rather setpos(pos,mapname<optional>)
00:12 Peacock         i dont know how the space game in MC does it, but you click on the earth and you're back on earth lol
00:13 blaise          minetest is getting a space program?
00:14 paramat         hehe im watching yogscast galacticraft at the moment
00:14 blaise          are we going to call it the NASA mod ?
00:14 paramat         spacetest of course
00:16 Peacock         i was thinking morespacenodeplus ;)
00:17 paramat         nore's pull is interesting #1119 does it theoretically allow maps to expand beyond 33000?
00:17 Peacock         followed up by PilzAdam's morespacenodeplus
00:17 paramat         https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/1119
00:17 paramat         hehe
00:18 Peacock         not sure what that pull does
00:19 paramat         brings camera back to origin and shifts the whole map, every 200 nodes (!) amazing
00:20 Peacock         sounds kinda sketchy
00:20 paramat         certainly :D
00:21 Peacock         of course things disappearing and flickering goes on at my end no matter where im at
00:21 paramat         at y = 15000 i can even get full nodes to flicker by flying 300 nodes above them
00:22 blaise          eh, what's up with player textures?
00:22 Peacock         though i wish the horizon would flicker between black and white underground
00:22 Peacock         *wouldn't
00:48 blaise          gah
00:48 blaise          the cute8 texture pack...
00:49 blaise          I can't even tell what is what!
00:49 VanessaE        blah, forget all the others and use HDX :)
00:49 VanessaE        there's no ambiguity then :D
00:49 blaise          lmao
00:49 blaise          VanessaE: are there any player textures yet?
00:50 VanessaE        no.
00:50 blaise          it's a little disturbing that everyone looks the same
00:50 VanessaE        that's one thing I don't know how to do and make it look right
00:50 VanessaE        heh
00:50 Peacock         i made a UPS delivery guy texture, but people thought it looked like a third reich uniform so that had to go lol
00:50 blaise          lmao
00:52 Peacock         though it kinda drives me nuts that player textures on the 3d model blackens out intermittently
00:52 VanessaE        Peacock: that's long since been fixed.
00:52 VanessaE        update your old-ass client :P
00:53 Peacock         long? was still going on on the dec 30th version
00:53 VanessaE        Dec 30?  um, dude, it's Feb. 3 now.
00:53 Peacock         a month and 3 or 4 days? thats two paycheques to most people, not that long lol
00:54 Peacock         running the jan 28th now but haven't had outside lan people connect
00:55 Peacock         will have to update again for the skybox thingy as soon as i can find 5 decent textures for it
00:55 VanessaE        not sure which of these commits fixes the lighting bug though
00:56 VanessaE        but it was fixed.
00:56 Peacock         the random dark and light spots?
00:56 VanessaE        those haven't been fixed.
00:56 VanessaE        I meant the player model lighting.
00:56 Peacock         what other lighting bug then? the smooth lighting on nodeboxes?
00:56 VanessaE        players don't randomly turn black anymore.
00:57 Peacock         oh that, thats good at least, i always figured that happened because players were laggin
00:57 VanessaE        nope
00:57 Peacock         the ones that moved never did that
00:58 VanessaE        https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/d76957ee22c27adab89cee551e3ab1c85d8717cc
00:58 VanessaE        there it is.
01:00 Peacock         damn, a lot of these skybox textures have a sun in them :/
01:02 blaise          hrmm
01:02 blaise          so I was digging out the ground to add another floor to my house, and suddenly everything went black
01:02 blaise          :(
01:02 Peacock         whats your pos?
01:03 blaise          I can't tell
01:03 VanessaE        I haven't bothered with a skybox for HDX because no one has explained to me how the fucking work
01:03 VanessaE        they*
01:03 blaise          I got disconnected
01:03 blaise          apparently the server is still catching up though
01:03 blaise          according to the server log I'm still laying block
01:03 Peacock         the skybox is a giant node :P
01:04 VanessaE        that's some nasty lag, blaise  :)
01:04 VanessaE        Peacock: got a link to an example?
01:04 Peacock         if everything went black he might have been teleported off the map
01:04 blaise          you aint kidding!
01:04 blaise          I can't even believe it
01:04 Peacock         https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L1816
01:05 blaise          if I knew what mod was causing the lag I'd disable it
01:05 blaise          I probably need to update them..
01:05 blaise          too bad it's not as easy as a 'git pull'
01:05 blaise          lmao
01:05 VanessaE        oh G*d not the set_sky() method
01:05 VanessaE        I meant the "regular" skyboxes.
01:05 VanessaE        oh wait, they didn't bother to add support for those, did they
01:05 Peacock         ?
01:06 VanessaE        so still hard-coded algorithmic day/night skyboxes
01:06 Peacock         considering how long it took just to pull this, i dont know what more you could expect from them on such short notice :P
01:07 Peacock         we have like a dozen devs, but i get the impression one or two are doing most of the work lately lol
01:09 VanessaE        Peacock: look at the pull request.
01:09 VanessaE        I raised that concern right away
01:10 Peacock         i dont think any more work was done on it, the only thing that changed was paramat asked that it be pulled
01:12 Peacock         for what he needs it for it's good enough
01:13 VanessaE        yeah but if the world has no *default* how the fuck am I supposed to texture it?
01:13 Peacock         by setting a custom one
01:13 VanessaE        custom != default
01:14 Peacock         regular is the default, the pull doesn't intend for texture packs to come with unique skies, it's intended for mods and games that want to set one
01:15 Peacock         the default setup doesnt even use textures, its just colors and dots for stars
01:15 VanessaE        that's my point.
01:15 Peacock         well thats a completely different request then what paramat asked for and got
01:15 VanessaE        there is NO way to texture the default sky at all.
01:16 Peacock         well you'd have to argue with the devs to replace the default sky with textures, and that they put those textures in default, THEN texture packs can change them
01:16 VanessaE        you mean .... like the way it was in 0.3.x? :)
01:17 Peacock         yeah but i doubt they'll want to go back now
01:17 Peacock         i also preferred the hotbar on the side to be honest, all my screens are 16:9
01:17 VanessaE        16:9 on a computer monitor is a travesty :P
01:17 Peacock         its 2014
01:18 Peacock         i can tile windows side by side or watch movies without those ugly black bars
01:18 Peacock         *and
01:19 Peacock         and even then the newer tower could use a dual monitor
01:20 Peacock         though were still waiting on a new desk cuz with the new external drive there's no more room left anywhere lol
02:20 iluvpeeps7      Hi
02:20 iluvpeeps7      Am I inirc
02:21 iluvpeeps7      am i in irc
02:21 iluvpeeps7      :P
02:39 blaise          02:38:04: ERROR[main]: 	/home/blaise/.minetest/textures/base/pack/logo.png
02:40 blaise          Could not open file of texture: /home/blaise/.minetest/textures/base/pack/logo.png
02:40 blaise          o.O
02:52 fwilson         O_O
02:59 VanessaE        I thought that had been fixed long ago
03:05 blaise          0.4.9 on both dedicated server and client
03:05 blaise          running latest kernel and userland in linux
03:05 blaise          compiled with gcc-4.8.2
03:05 blaise          :)
03:06 blaise          but no -O3.. I played it safe and did compile optimization level 2 CFLAGS="-O2"
03:06 blaise          :D
03:06 blaise          so I dunno
03:07 blaise          I'm going to have to roll the server over soon
03:07 blaise          for some reason I can't craft anything
03:07 blaise          it just keeps popping back in my inventory...
03:08 blaise          I've restarted the client 5 times, same results
03:26 blaise          did everyone die?
03:30 VanessaE        zzzzzz
03:44 blaise          I tried to use the cobble slab as a mantle for my fireplaces
03:44 blaise          it's too wide.....
03:44 blaise          :\
03:45 blaise          I wish I knew of some way to make a fire grate or something.. little bars or what not
03:48 VanessaE        use the metal bars from homedecor
03:48 VanessaE        those might work
03:48 VanessaE        (they were carried over from the 3dforniture mod)
03:55 us_0gb          I bet that would look very nice.
03:55 us_0gb          Especially with lava sources behind them.
03:58 Peacock         i loved the toilet from forniture
03:58 Peacock         i made a Game of Thrones tribute with them
03:58 Peacock         6d toilets... takes some marksmanship XD
04:04 VanessaE        hah
04:06 Peacock         well for women it should be easier, they already hover over standard (public) toilets o_O
04:08 MinetestBot     GIT: kwolekr commited to minetest/minetest: Update minetest.conf.example 2927a327ca 2014-02-03T19:50:14-08:00 http://git.io/FbOZJg
04:08 MinetestBot     GIT: kwolekr commited to minetest/minetest: Huge overhaul of the entire MapgenParams system 5a34f40d80 2014-02-03T19:50:14-08:00 http://git.io/3Rk9GQ
04:08 MinetestBot     GIT: kwolekr commited to minetest/minetest: Settings: Add no-exception variants of each get method a439343844 2014-02-03T19:47:40-08:00 http://git.io/5S8dvg
04:37 VanessaE        wow, after paring down all the dead accounts on my servers where users signed in, did nothing, never got interact, then signed out, I am down to just under 4,000 legit accounts.  that's down from nearly 30,000.
04:37 VanessaE        (across all six servers)
04:39 iqualfragile    VanessaE: i do that automaticly whenever i render a map
04:40 iqualfragile    i even think about adding some lines to move players that did not log in for longer then x ms to an oldplayers directory or something
04:40 VanessaE        I might just add something similar to my nightly procedure, but something feels wrong about it, because I'd be "randomly" transporting players back to spawn who just wanted to sign in to have a look around
04:41 iqualfragile    true
04:41 iqualfragile    so optimum might be to remove playerfiles of players that have no interact and did not log in for a while
04:42 iqualfragile    i just reactivated server_announce, lets prepare for incomming
04:49 VanessaE        yeah
04:53 hmmmm           that's still quite a bit of accounts
04:54 hmmmm           minetest's entire structure doesn't scale
04:55 hmmmm           if I were designing a minetest server on my own that wasn't initially intended to be a toy application i'd make it a real database
05:04 Peacock         please do, 5k userfiles is a lot for a week
05:17 paramat         i just remembered to release this lua mapgen example mod https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=8483
06:01 reactor         HELO
09:46 Megaf           weird, updated minetest and minetest server and all I get now when I login is a dark grey screen
09:47 Megaf           or gray
09:49 Megaf           yep, server is not sending the world to clients
09:50 Peacock         seems legit
09:56 Megaf           I cant see anything out of ordinary here https://paste.debian.net/80069/
09:57 Megaf           VanessaE, you there? Is it possible to rollback a git pull?
10:00 pitriss         git checkout or git reset --hard
10:04 Megaf           nope
10:04 Megaf           didnt work
10:05 Megaf           its really hard for you to keep this working, isnt it?
10:47 Megaf           how do I do to get a specific "snapshot"? I mean, like 284fc0b
11:25 artur99         Woah! Im a star: "Is Miner_48er stupid or just asking too many questions? 44.0% lines contained a question!
11:25 artur99         artur99 didn't know that much either. 42.4% of his/her lines were questions."
11:26 artur99         this is made counting the ? the question marks??
11:30 artur99         O.O Woah!!! VanessaE spoke a total of 263158 words!
12:20 Megaf_          PenguinDad: Hi there
12:21 PenguinDad      hi Megaf
12:21 Megaf_          so you have the same issue I have?
12:21 PenguinDad      yes but in singleplayer
12:41 Megaf_          PenguinDad: what is you backpack mod about? Does it allow players to fly withou fly priv?
12:42 PenguinDad      no it's more like the backpack in nodetopia
12:43 Megaf_          ah, backpack, I missunderstood it, like, jetpack :P
12:43 Megaf_          I have backpacks already, from inufied_inventory
12:43 Megaf_          unified*
12:47 sfan5           !deop sfan5 VanessaE
12:47 sfan5           hi everyone
12:57 PenguinDad      Megaf_: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/1134#issuecomment-34056550
13:06 PapaJacky       join irc://chat.freenode.net/#thebreakfastclub antihero
13:07 PapaJacky       join #thebreakfastclub antihero
13:23 Megaf_          Hi sfan5
13:23 sfan5           hi Megaf_
13:23 PenguinDad      third person view sucks :(
13:26 Megaf_          sfan5: can you take a look at this please? https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/1134
13:26 sfan5           ok
13:27 RagnarLaud      hello
13:27 RagnarLaud      VanessaE, could you help me with hooking my website to a .tk domain?
13:27 RagnarLaud      with a DNS record
13:29 sfan5           Megaf_: is there any server I could connect to to reproduce this
13:31 Megaf_          sfan5: Not at the moment, I can put one online when I get home,
13:31 RagnarLaud      sfan5, could you help?
13:31 Megaf_          going home right now
13:31 sfan5           RagnarLaud: hooking up a website to a .tk domain is not hard
13:31 sfan5           just log into the webinterface and change the url it points to
13:32 RagnarLaud      could you please help me step by step in pm? i tried to do it, but i failed
13:35 VanessaE        Why would I know anything about .tk domains?
13:35 VanessaE        artur99: yeah, I talk too much :P
13:35 RagnarLaud      where's artur?
13:36 RagnarLaud      DOOD!
13:36 artur99         here
13:36 artur99         hi
13:37 VanessaE        Megaf_: regarding rolling back git..  git reset --hard <some commit ID here>   where the ID is the last commit you know for sure worked right.  then you recompile.  you can also,  git checkout <commit ID>  which is the preferred way for some folks.
13:37 RagnarLaud      dood, help me! with the tk and DNS
13:37 artur99         the lanch is done
13:37 artur99         ok
13:37 artur99         will you make the account on tk, or me?
13:38 VanessaE        Megaf, so for the ID you gave, you'd do:  git reset --hard 284fc0b  and then re-compile.
13:42 VanessaE        hm, I guess you already figured it out.
13:43 VanessaE        Why does everyone always have to ask ME these questions while I'm afk?
13:44 VanessaE        Megaf_: have you done a proper git bisect, or did you just stop at commit 284fc0b ?
13:51 RagnarLaud      artur99?
13:52 artur99         yeah
13:52 artur99         what?
13:52 artur99         my connection was slow for a few sec
14:08 sfan5           !tell john_minetest http://i.imgur.com/xRPBWSw.jpg
14:08 MinetestBot     sfan5: I'll pass that on when john_minetest is around
14:08 RagnarLaud      sfan5?!
14:08 RagnarLaud      why didn't i know that it could do that?
14:09 sfan5           !tell RagnarLaud yes?
14:09 sfan5           MinetestBot!
14:09 sfan5           ..
14:09 MinetestBot     sfan5: I'll pass that on when RagnarLaud is around
14:09 MinetestBot     sfan5!
14:09 sfan5           because you didn't  read the docs
14:09 RagnarLaud      there are docs on it?
14:10 sfan5           yes
14:10 sfan5           !help
14:10 MinetestBot     https://github.com/sfan5/minetestbot-modules/blob/master/COMMANDS.md
14:10 RagnarLaud      nice ;)
14:12 Taoki           Are there any screenshots of the new player:set_sky system and how it can be used? It's great to finally see this, but hard to test it now
14:12 sfan5           I haven't seen any screenshots yet
14:12 sfan5           RagnarLaud: say something again
14:13 RagnarLaud      oh, i got it working already
14:13 RagnarLaud      but thanks anyway
14:13 sfan5           hm
14:14 sfan5           why isn't this working
14:15 RagnarLaud      what isnt?
14:16 sfan5           the !tell thing
14:16 sfan5           !tell RagnarLaud test test
14:16 MinetestBot     sfan5: I'll pass that on when RagnarLaud is around
14:17 RagnarLaud      oh :D
14:17 RagnarLaud      it only tells you that it's going to pass it on, but actually doesnt...
14:17 RagnarLaud      LIAR!
14:17 sfan5           it should tell you what I said just now
14:22 RagnarLaud      i know
14:24 Megaf_          VanessaE: I did checkout has
14:24 Megaf_          hash*
14:25 VanessaE        that'll work too
14:25 VanessaE        I use reset --hard, more out of habit than anything else
14:25 RagnarLaud      VanessaE, I'm an exclusive seller on CodeCanyon
14:25 RagnarLaud      :)
14:28 Megaf_          sfan5: I buinding a test server right now
14:28 sfan5           ok
14:31 Megaf_          sfan5: just did a git clone from master, megaf.no-ip.info 30000
14:31 sfan5           MinetestBot!
14:32 Megaf_          sfan5: same issue
14:34 Megaf_          sfan5: are you going to login? megaf.no-ip.info 30000
14:34 Megaf_          there you are
14:37 sfan5           Megaf_: it's this bug: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/1132
14:41 sfan5           !tell john_minetest http://i.imgur.com/xRPBWSw.jpg
14:41 MinetestBot     sfan5: I'll pass that on when john_minetest is around
14:56 Megaf_          Im back
14:59 Megaf_          sfan5: yep, I saw that too yesterday, but I wasnt sure if it was related or not
14:59 Taoki           Is latest GIT broken? Even if I create a new world or load an old one, everything is gray and nothing loads or generates
14:59 Megaf_          Taoki: yes it is
14:59 Megaf_          https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/1132
14:59 VanessaE        Why am I the only one who doesn't have a huge problem with that bug?
14:59 Taoki           oh
15:00 VanessaE        I mean, it happens to me, but it resolves itself within one or two seconds when it happens
15:00 Megaf_          VanessaE: try megaf.no-ip.info 30000
15:01 Megaf_          just a fresh and clean test server
15:01 VanessaE        sapier and I have been talking at length about it, btw
15:01 VanessaE        we know what's going on and are trying to devise a solution that'll work for everyone
15:02 VanessaE        Megaf_: all grey for me.
15:02 Megaf_          I think the problem affects all clients regardless its version
15:03 VanessaE        idk why it's so broken on your server, my servers are simply not so severely affected
15:03 VanessaE        it's like EVERYTHING goes wrong for you, Megaf_  :-/
15:03 Megaf_          VanessaE: well, try a fresh git clone and it will happen the same to you
15:04 Megaf_          VanessaE: I like to search and find bugs, I test everything I can
15:04 Taoki           Perhpas cache affects it? I'll try with new cache
15:04 Megaf_          I'm always overusing and overtesting
15:05 Megaf_          Taoki: it does not, Im trying with fresh server and fresh client
15:05 Taoki           Ah, ok then
15:05 VanessaE        Megaf_: I am at git HEAD minus a few commits.
15:05 Taoki           VanessaE: So it still works for you? This is quite interesting now...
15:05 VanessaE        Taoki: no, his server does not work for me.
15:05 VanessaE        Taoki: but my servers do.
15:05 VanessaE        Megaf_: try my server.
15:06 VanessaE        Megaf_: digitalaudioconcepts.com 30005
15:06 Taoki           VanessaE: And you can connect to your server with your cloent, both latest GIT master?
15:06 Taoki           **client
15:06 VanessaE        Taoki: both are close enough to latest git to matter, yes
15:07 VanessaE        my server is at commit 458045d49fd96cf19bdd61b2f8dbdbc0fd11b587
15:07 meldrian_onTour Hi, i like to mention that the ppa-link on launchpad for lucid-users got a typo in it. it says "stabl" instead of "stable". Somebody might fix that, so far the link's not working
15:07 Taoki           Ok. Close might not be accurate enough. Can you please update to latest and try there?
15:07 VanessaE        (which is three commits behind HEAD - I pulled last night just before hmmmm put his latest mapgen v7 stuff in)
15:08 VanessaE        Taoki: ^^^^^^^^^^
15:08 Taoki           VanessaE: Maybe those changes could be a cause? I would suggest we try with latest GIT
15:08 Taoki           To be sure
15:08 VanessaE        my client is at the same commit also.
15:08 VanessaE        so both are up to date as of last night.
15:09 VanessaE        Taoki: I can't update right now, my server has people on it.
15:09 Taoki           ok
15:09 VanessaE        well I can stage it for later of cours.e..
15:09 Taoki           Trying to connect withlatest client, which for me is broken locally
15:09 Taoki           It worked
15:10 VanessaE        ok, pulling to lastest git for my client...
15:10 VanessaE        I can at least do that much
15:11 VanessaE        server's been updated but it won't deploy until the next restart, tomorrow morning.
15:11 VanessaE        (or if it crashes in the meantime)
15:12 Taoki           Matest GIt client works well. Which means it might be a server issue
15:13 VanessaE        latest git doesn't work for me on megaf's server.
15:13 Megaf_          It does not depend on client version
15:13 Megaf_          its totally a server side issue
15:13 VanessaE        Megaf_: it's definitely something screwed up on your server config
15:13 VanessaE        maybe a write permissions issue or something
15:14 Taoki           Likely means Megaf_ server uses latest GIT
15:14 Megaf_          yep
15:14 VanessaE        Taoki: my servers use latest git
15:14 Megaf_          from couple of minutes ago
15:14 VanessaE        they're only three commits back and they work fine.
15:14 VanessaE        and those commits are for mapgen v7 stuff
15:14 VanessaE        Megaf_: you're not using mapgen v7 are you?
15:16 Megaf_          VanessaE: that happens on my v6 server, now its working because what I said earlier, and I dont know about this latest one, I just cloned it, compiled it and runned it
15:16 Megaf_          s/runned/ran
15:16 VanessaE        Megaf_: I mean on your world config.
15:16 Megaf_          VanessaE:  https://paste.debian.net/80115/
15:17 VanessaE        BAH!  stop using https with an invalid certificate!
15:17 Megaf_          its not invalid, check you clock
15:17 VanessaE        "This Connection is Untrusted
15:17 VanessaE        You have asked Firefox to connect securely to paste.debian.net, but we can't confirm that your connection is secure.
15:17 VanessaE        Normally, when you try to connect securely, sites will present trusted identification to prove that you are going to the right place. However, this site's identity can't be verified."
15:18 VanessaE        Technical details says ----->  "paste.debian.net uses an invalid security certificate. The certificate is not trusted because the issuer certificate is unknown."
15:18 VanessaE        so yeah.
15:18 VanessaE        please don't tell me what I'm reading
15:18 Megaf_          I have nothing to do with that
15:19 VanessaE        don't use a pastebin that throws invalid certificates.  just use a plaintext pastebin.
15:19 VanessaE        anyways,
15:19 VanessaE        what is your world config on the "dead" server?
15:19 VanessaE        is it mapgen v7?
15:20 Megaf_          v6
15:20 VanessaE        ok
15:20 Megaf_          VanessaE: my other server is fine, with an older commit, megaf.no-ip.info 30003
15:21 ShadowNinja     VanessaE: The CA is probably not well known.  Downloading their cert should fix it.
15:21 ShadowNinja     BTW, those commits touched all mapgens.
15:22 Megaf_          ShadowNinja: I have a site with self signed certificate, firefox will alway complay about that, and so will chrome
15:22 VanessaE        ok we have a problem.
15:22 VanessaE        ShadowNinja: --> -dev
15:22 Megaf_          ShadowNinja: is there anything I can do about that?
15:22 VanessaE        Megaf_: I can confirm your bug now.
15:22 VanessaE        I just reproduced it locally in sp.
15:23 Megaf_          VanessaE: my bug, Taoki's bug and PenguinDad's bug
15:23 VanessaE        well whoever you want to assign it to
15:24 ShadowNinja     kwolekr's bug.  :-)
15:25 Megaf_          VanessaE: by the way, it was pretty quick to connect to your server
15:25 VanessaE        it always is
15:25 VanessaE        I've put in much effort to improve it
15:27 VanessaE        at least as much as I can as the operator and from a modding standpoint anyway
15:35 VanessaE        Megaf_: for safety, I'm rolling back my server to 284fc0b8 per your suggestion.
15:35 VanessaE        (just in case some random mod causes a restart.  don't need a bad build causing users to panic)
15:36 Megaf_          VanessaE: you are doing good
15:36 Megaf_          I have nothing to complain about 284fc0b8
15:36 Megaf_          And you know very well that I complain a lot
15:37 VanessaE        yup
15:37 VanessaE        complaints are good
15:37 VanessaE        especially if you pipe them into an issue report as you did
15:40 Megaf_          lol. I did a pacman like thing with pipeworks
15:41 Megaf_          nodes are wandering in a pipe mesh
15:41 VanessaE        haha
15:41 VanessaE        nodes/
15:41 VanessaE        ?
15:42 Megaf_          not nodes, they kids
15:42 Megaf_          the small ones
15:42 Megaf_          I have an automated cactus growing farm
15:42 Megaf_          to use them as fuel
15:43 Megaf_          and I was remaking the piping work, so for a small period of time I got a mesh of pipes, and small cactus itemns started to wander around
15:44 Megaf_          I can even stop them growing
15:45 VanessaE        oh haha
16:15 Jordach         http://i.imgur.com/2cBIcGg.jpg
16:16 Enke            Now you just need the two old men playing checkers1
16:16 Jordach         Enke, 1 week 3 days until 4K mayhem
16:17 Enke            OboyOboyOboyOboyOboyOboyOboyOboy
16:17 Jordach         i mean multiple renders in one day
16:17 Jordach         (i've built the scenes beforehand)
16:18 Enke            Right.
16:18 Jordach         my upload is going to be strained as fuck
16:19 Jordach         minus the HDX; http://i.imgur.com/cUEMuzR.png
16:20 VanessaE        see?  HDX makes everything better :D
16:20 Jordach         not my fault blender attempts to be Photorealistic
16:22 VanessaE        Jordach: I have a marble texture that would look good on that plate:
16:22 Jordach         VanessaE, later
16:22 VanessaE        see msg
16:23 VanessaE        too late :)
16:23 VanessaE        you're committed now ;)
16:23 Jordach         NOT THE PINGS! NOT THE PINGS!!!
16:25 * VanessaE      pings Jordach randomly :)
16:26 VanessaE        haha
16:33 * VanessaE      pings J0rdach randomly some more ;)
16:35 Jordach         http://i.imgur.com/qyMGuVn.png
16:35 EvergreenTree   14Pin
16:35 EvergreenTree   *Ping
16:35 VanessaE        ok now a metal texture.....   lesse..
16:35 Jordach         VanessaE, no noise pl0x
16:35 VanessaE        brushed or smooth?\
16:35 Jordach         metal curlery IRL don't have much noise (because you can't see the fucking things at a distance)
16:36 VanessaE        well derp, let your virtual camera's depth of focus handle it like it's supposed to?
16:36 Jordach         VanessaE, blender doesn't have DoF by default
16:36 Jordach         you have to composite it
16:36 VanessaE        seriously? O_o
16:37 Calinou         don't overdo DoF
16:37 Calinou         better have none than too much
16:37 VanessaE        you didn't answer me - brushed or smooth? :)
16:37 Jordach         VanessaE, most 3D rendering raytracers are like that
16:37 Jordach         brushed smooth
16:38 Jordach         but seriously keep it blurry as fuck
16:39 Jordach         whoever decided to /give Jordach ctcp:ping is an asshole
16:40 VanessaE        mmmm
16:40 VanessaE        I have nothing suitable for flateware/cutlery.
16:40 VanessaE        -
16:40 VanessaE        -e
16:41 Megaf_          "/give Jordach ctcp:ping"
16:41 Megaf_          it would be cool an IRC client that follows minetest syntax
16:41 Jordach         VanessaE, http://i.imgur.com/XsAXurA.png <- anybetter?
16:42 VanessaE        the closest I have is this:  http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/images/moreores_silver_block.jpg
16:42 Jordach         VanessaE, take a picture of some cutlery them
16:42 Jordach         s/m/n
16:43 VanessaE        (when applied to the flatware, the texture will probably disappear due to the scaling anyway)
16:43 Jordach         get a colour down and i can replicate in blender
16:44 Capt_j          I need help with a bug
16:44 VanessaE        Jordach: with the flatware I use, it's straight silver-grey, no color shift at all
16:45 VanessaE        you need to add reflective properties to it
16:45 VanessaE        e.g. the chairs/table/plates need to reflect off of the flatware after you apply your texture
16:45 VanessaE        unless you're going for a titanium look anyway
16:46 Megaf_          Capt_j: what bug?
16:46 Megaf_          the grey screen of death?
16:46 Megaf_          gray*
16:46 Jordach         VanessaE, already supported by blender
16:46 Capt_j          Well I was playing on the server, everything was going fine
16:46 VanessaE        Jordach: so I assumed.
16:46 Capt_j          then I got interact permission, and when I try to break a block i crash
16:46 Capt_j          and i cant login to the server with that account again
16:47 Capt_j          and I got that gray screen thing sometimes when I try
16:47 VanessaE        he was probably playing on my server :)
16:47 Capt_j          yeagh
16:47 Capt_j          I was haha.
16:47 Capt_j          I am Havixil/Jeremy
16:47 VanessaE        hi Jeremy/Jeremy2 :)
16:47 VanessaE        are you using an Android client?
16:47 VanessaE        if so, we can't fix that
16:47 Capt_j          im in ubuntu
16:47 VanessaE        ok
16:48 Jordach         VanessaE, http://i.imgur.com/y2hqx30.png
16:48 Jordach         any better?
16:48 VanessaE        a bit, yeah
16:48 VanessaE        but G*d those low rez textures :)
16:48 Jordach         can't help that :P
16:49 Megaf_          Jordach: don´t you have updates to do?
16:49 Jordach         updates?
16:49 Capt_j          so is there a way to fix my problem?
16:49 Jordach         Capt_j, sounds like drivers
16:49 Megaf_          Jordach: thos two exclamation marks
16:49 VanessaE        Capt_j: proprietary drivers?  how old is your minetest version?
16:49 Capt_j          i think i got latest but how do I check minetest version
16:49 Jordach         Megaf_, i ignore them - it tries to give me GIMP 2.8
16:50 Capt_j          Minetest 0.4.9 it says
16:50 Jordach         Capt_j, try ubuntu menu -> Settings -> Additional Drivers
16:51 Megaf_          why are you teeling him stuff about drivers? You dont even know what his GPU is
16:51 Megaf_          what if he got an Intel
16:51 Jordach         Megaf_, usually the cause with ubuntu
16:51 Capt_j          yeah I think its intel
16:51 Jordach         GMA, HD 1/2/3/4XXX?
16:51 Megaf_          And the gray thing its a now well know bug
16:51 Capt_j          its an old comp, decided to play minetest since my xbox live is done haha
16:52 Capt_j          ill check graphics one sec
16:53 Capt_j          ah its integrated :(
16:53 VanessaE        Megaf_: if he's using Ubuntu and 0.4.9, he won't be hit by that bug yet - he was able to sign onto my server and start to dig...
16:54 Capt_j          do you know why this occurs when I break blocks tho?
16:54 VanessaE        Capt_j: in your settings menu, is "preload item visuals" turned on?
16:55 Capt_j          i think its off lemme check
16:55 Capt_j          its off
16:55 VanessaE        Capt_j: try turning it on and see how it behaves then
16:55 Capt_j          alright.
16:55 VanessaE        and also turn off things like bumpmapping.
16:55 VanessaE        fiddle with those settings, see what effect they have for you
16:56 VanessaE        if you find a combination that works, please report it
16:56 Capt_j          yeah I had shaders turned off
16:56 VanessaE        and also,
16:56 VanessaE        ok good
16:56 Capt_j          what about filters
16:56 Capt_j          anisotropic?
16:56 VanessaE        at some point if you can get us a gdb trace of the crash and file a bug report at https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/new it would be most helpul
16:56 VanessaE        turn that off too
16:57 VanessaE        turn everything off for now
16:57 VanessaE        (except smooth lighting, fancy trees and 3d clouds)
16:58 Capt_j          im logged in as havixil2
16:58 Capt_j          smooth lighting, fancy trees and 3d clouds on
16:58 Capt_j          everything else off
16:59 VanessaE        try it.
17:00 Capt_j          well
17:00 Capt_j          it let me break a block and crashed right after the block disappeared
17:01 VanessaE        and you just timed out
17:01 VanessaE        now, what happens if you sign into that account again?
17:01 VanessaE        and what error did it give you?
17:01 Capt_j          draw hotbar() mainlist null
17:01 Capt_j          something like that
17:01 Capt_j          in grey screen
17:01 Capt_j          I could see my hand for a second
17:02 VanessaE        ignore that
17:02 VanessaE        that's a server glitch actually
17:02 VanessaE        in your console
17:02 Capt_j          okay
17:02 VanessaE        launch minetest from a terminal
17:02 Capt_j          k
17:02 Capt_j          in .minetest rite?
17:02 Capt_j          o
17:02 VanessaE        you don't need to be in any specific dir
17:03 VanessaE        just open a terminal and run 'minetest'
17:03 VanessaE        then copy&paste the output from the terminal into a pastebin site like pastebin.ubuntu.com and give us the link to the result.
17:03 Capt_j          Unsupported texture format Mesa 8.0.4 implementation error: unexpected format GL_DEPTH_COMPONENT in _mesa_choose_tex_format()
17:03 VanessaE        don't paste it here
17:03 Capt_j          oh haha
17:03 VanessaE        however,
17:03 VanessaE        that may be notable :)
17:04 VanessaE        sounds like your video driver is b0rk3d :)
17:04 VanessaE        what version of ubuntu?
17:05 Capt_j          12.04 but i have another HDD with the latest version of ubuntu
17:05 VanessaE        odd
17:06 VanessaE        I run it on 12.04 also
17:06 VanessaE        but I build from sources.
17:06 Capt_j          but intel video driver installer doesnt work above 12.04
17:06 VanessaE        but I also don't use any kind of onboard gfx
17:06 VanessaE        that may be why.
17:06 Megaf_          VanessaE: did you build the whole Ubuntu?
17:06 VanessaE        you need to gt your video driver sorted first.
17:06 Capt_j          yeah I usually only use this comp for internet and stuff and game on the 360
17:06 Capt_j          but really want to play minetest :D
17:06 Capt_j          since I seem to get stable framerates lol
17:07 VanessaE        Megaf_: nope.  straight, clean 12.04 with just my usual set of stuff from apt, plus minetest built from git sources.
17:07 * Jordach       has the same
17:07 VanessaE        Capt_j: ok, get your video driver fixed first, then go get minetest sources from this link:  https://github.com/minetest/minetest/archive/284fc0b88569075187019a1b311312e64e79d937.zip
17:07 Capt_j          vannesa btw http://pastebin.com/fb0aL8Dk
17:07 VanessaE        then compile the sources using these instructions:  https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/284fc0b88569075187019a1b311312e64e79d937/README.txt#L83
17:08 VanessaE        (the special link is to make sure you get a very recent copy of the minetest source but NOT the latest, which is presently broken)
17:08 VanessaE        now looking at your link....
17:08 Capt_j          seems to crash after Loaded texture: /usr/share/minetest/textures/base/pack/sunrisebg.png
17:08 VanessaE        hah!  floating point exception.  Nice :)
17:09 Capt_j          huh
17:09 VanessaE        that mesa error tells me it's all in your video driver, so fix that first.
17:09 Capt_j          it cant into math lol?
17:09 Capt_j          okay ill download the intel driver downloader
17:11 Capt_j          yeh intel says the driver app supports my specific one
17:15 Capt_j          brb
17:16 Megaf_          I never had such issues
17:16 Megaf_          Well, I use Debian...
17:17 PenguinDad      i use fedora and i never had driver issues weird
17:18 Megaf_          yep, and minetest works fine with my EeePC 701 (GMA oldish slowish) Celeron @ 630 MHz Slow Edition
17:19 Megaf_          VanessaE: perhaps that file is borked /usr/share/minetest/textures/base/pack/sunrisebg.png
17:20 VanessaE        Megaf_: even if it is, a program should never misbehave like that because of a damaged image file.
17:20 VanessaE        either load the file and try to render it, or don't load the file at all.
17:20 VanessaE        however
17:20 VanessaE        if you'd noticed,
17:20 VanessaE        he said he already can play the game
17:20 VanessaE        but he crashes as soon as he digs a block
17:21 VanessaE        so the sunrise image is not the issue
17:21 VanessaE        the issue is the render-to-texture routine
17:21 VanessaE        and what driver feature irrlicht uses to achieve that function
17:21 VanessaE        which means his driver is b0rk3d.
17:22 Jordach         if you're planning on gaming and using MESA drivers, you're statistically fucked
17:24 PenguinDad      my card works fine with free drivers
17:24 * sfan5         throws Jordach at Jordach
17:24 Jordach         what
17:25 Megaf_          PenguinDad: so do mine
17:25 Megaf_          I use a Radeon HD 4200
17:25 Megaf_          works fine with open source driver
17:25 Megaf_          sfan5: That was heavy
17:26 PenguinDad      i have a nvidia GTX 650
17:27 * Jordach       re-runs cloth sim
17:27 Jordach         0.04 fps
17:27 Jordach         oh fuck
17:28 * sfan5         猫わJordachに投げる
17:28 Jordach         engrish
17:31 * Megaf_        starts do wonder a Pineapple Clock and a Pine Apple and a Pine Apple Clock
17:31 pineappleclock  good question
17:34 Megaf_          Jordach: you could render what I'm wondering about
17:35 Capt_J          Vanessa I think I found a temp solution for my problem lol
17:35 VanessaE        oh?
17:36 Capt_J          I found a third HDD with windows xp on it lol
17:36 Capt_J          so might try playing on windows
17:36 VanessaE        ew
17:36 Capt_J          its available for windows right?
17:36 VanessaE        yeah
17:36 Capt_J          i know ew lol
17:36 Capt_J          but i wanna playyy ;D
17:37 VanessaE        I told you to fix your busted driver and compile it from sources :)
17:37 Capt_J          i cant fix driver
17:38 Capt_J          not supported for ubuntu 12.04
17:38 Capt_J          doesnt work for latest either :/
17:40 VanessaE        hrm
17:40 VanessaE        maybe the latest ubuntu won't need it?
17:41 Capt_J          i tried on latest
17:41 Capt_J          3d wont even work without drivers lol
17:48 Megaf_          lubuntu is ok
17:48 Megaf_          not that bad
17:49 Megaf_          give a try to Debian 7.3
17:49 Megaf_          you can isntall gnome, kde, lxde or whatever you want
17:51 Capt_J          cool
17:52 Capt_J          will it run okay on this old comp haha
17:54 VanessaE        I use Xubuntu here (12.04)
17:54 VanessaE        and debian on my server
17:56 Megaf_          Capt_J: you will be quite happy with Debian and XFCE
17:56 Megaf_          or even GNOME
17:56 Megaf_          Capt_J: I use Debian 7 with GNOME on a Celeron 630 Mhz
17:57 Capt_J          can I install debian through usb if I get the iso?
17:58 VanessaE        sure
17:58 VanessaE        I've done that before.
17:59 VanessaE        pretty much all distros can do that now can't they?
17:59 Capt_J          beats me
17:59 Megaf_          yep, my netbook doesnt have a cdrom
18:00 PilzAdam        Hello everyone!
18:01 Capt_J          well im going to install debian on the HDD and hope my wireless adapter is supported haha
18:02 SylvieLorxu     Wouldn't you want to check fi... okay
18:06 Megaf_          Hi PilzAdam, How are things?
18:06 PilzAdam        good?
18:07 Megaf_          Are they?
18:07 PilzAdam        I havent really though about the details yet, but in general I think they are good
18:16 PilzAdam        "Option 5, rollback what you changed and change again only when you have a solution." https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/1132#issuecomment-34066760
18:16 PilzAdam        Megaf_, you shouldnt use dev versions if you want stuff to work
18:38 * rubenwardy_   is playing SH2
18:38 rubenwardy      heh
18:40 Megaf_          PilzAdam: I used to use only stable version, than every single time I had an issue people here would always tell me that it was fixed already on the dev version...
18:41 Megaf_          and they always told me the stable was old
18:41 PilzAdam        Megaf_, you shouldnt listen to people who tell you to use unstable versions
18:41 Megaf_          now finally I'm using dev, getting some bugs fixed and you tell me to use stable
18:42 Megaf_          PilzAdam: in that case, I should not listen to any dev here
18:42 Megaf_          PilzAdam: anyway, I'm pretty happy with the commit im using
18:43 PilzAdam        if you use dev then dont complain if things are not working
18:43 PilzAdam        you can tell us about it (and you should do that), but you are not allowed to complain
18:44 Megaf_          all right sir
18:51 Megaf_          I'm sorry
19:30 Megaf_          folks, you can add #Minetest-Br to the minetest site, for the Brazilian minetest channel
19:32 Megaf_          here > http://minetest.net/irc
19:33 Megaf_          #Minetest-Br Brazilian Channel
19:39 ShadowNinja     If we add that we should also add -es and anything in the ENTRYMSG.
19:39 ShadowNinja     Only -de and -es are in the ENTRYMSG though.
19:40 EvergreenTree   It looks like it is part of ENTRYMSG
19:41 Megaf_          VanessaE: You are using this mod, areant you? (markers) https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=124128
19:41 Megaf_          Is it as good as it looks?
19:41 VanessaE        it works pretty well for most
19:42 Megaf_          Sokomine: congrats for your mod, the way you got to the way it is is pretty good
19:42 ShadowNinja     The code style could use work.  But it makes it even easier to use areas.
19:43 Megaf_          "It tries to make it far easier by taking into account what I've seen players do when they want to show a moderator which area they want."
19:43 Megaf_          I think that could be an even friendly markers like mod
19:43 Megaf_          something with height and deep pre defined on server side
19:43 Megaf_          or it could use some variable from areas mod
19:44 Megaf_          or in areas mod could be a pre defined area, like, 20x40x20
19:45 Megaf_          And I think description should  really need, but rather optional
19:56 Sokomine        Megaf_: thanks. yes, that was how/why i developed this mod
19:57 Sokomine        Megaf_: you can change what is suggested as height and depth. players who mark areas usually do not take that into account. they usually just ask for "as high as possible" or some rounded-up number
19:59 Sokomine        the description is helpful once the areas get more. otherwise, you won't know what area 1234 actually stands for. location, size and owner may be hints, but without the area name, you generally don't have any idea
20:02 twoelk          Is there any way to dump the areas list to local file?
20:02 Sokomine        what would a preconfigured area be good for? i see some point to it in certain situations - admins/moderators/town owners may set up areas of land for settlement
20:02 twoelk          I would love to feed such a list to a mapping tool
20:02 Sokomine        twoelk: you mean: from another server? one you do not control? no
20:02 twoelk          :-(
20:02 Sokomine        ah, yes. if you have control over the server, it works. the data is a normal lua table
20:02 Sokomine        twoelk: regarding redcrab?
20:02 twoelk          for example
20:03 twoelk          like the overlay on landrush server map
20:04 twoelk          been fiddling with such things for a while now
20:04 Sokomine        twoelk: with redcrab, you might be helped. moderators there have access to the list. it is not yet the areas mod - shadowninja said something about his mod beeing able to import the data from its predecessor (which still runs on redcrab)
20:04 twoelk          sounds interesting
20:04 Sokomine        ah, yes. i think such a map would be very intresting
20:04 Sokomine        it might even help as a map for general orientation (i.e. "where am i on this server? where are the major buildings?")
20:04 twoelk          it would show where people have build
20:05 Sokomine        at least what is protected, yes
20:05 twoelk          or at least consider worth protecting something
20:05 * twoelk        types slooowly
20:05 ShadowNinja     With a few lines of code you should be able to make areas use JSON, whish will be easily readable by JavaScript.
20:05 Jordach         http://i.imgur.com/7JZdFj6.png
20:06 twoelk          that sounds like it could be fed to openlayers or leaflet
20:13 ShadowNinja     twoelk: Apply this and add areas:save() somewhere after areas:load().
20:14 ShadowNinja     http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6874981/
20:15 ShadowNinja     Produces this with my test world: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6874989/
20:16 ShadowNinja     With Json::StyledWriter: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6874996/
20:21 harrison        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZHJ_jpqkwo
20:47 EvergreenTree   tsetenim_nhoj olleh
20:48 EvergreenTree   !rev MinetestBot
20:48 MinetestBot     toBtseteniM
20:48 EvergreenTree   ping free greeting
20:48 EvergreenTree   :P
20:51 ShadowNinja     Jordach: Is https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/pull/234 fixed in SamII+capes?
20:56 MinetestBot     hello john_minetest
21:00 * Jordach       can't be bothered about academia and decides life skills courses are the way to go
21:01 Jordach         i dislike the idea of learn learn learn when it never fucking comes up in real life
21:11 Jordach         john_minetest, http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-040214-210721.php
21:12 Jordach         i'm currently 2/6 4K images
21:18 pineappleclock  is stuff like the nether ever going to be implemented in core minetest or will that need to be some sort of mod?
21:18 VanessaE        probably never.
21:19 VanessaE        nether is a minecraft thing.  I don't think anyone really wants that in minetest by default
21:20 pineappleclock  is there a up-to-date roadmap?
21:21 VanessaE        minetest_game is more or less done, nothing major is planned for it I guess
21:21 VanessaE        engine stuff is all anyone's doing now.
21:21 pineappleclock  I'd like to get into development but I have a lot of C++ catching up to do
21:31 Daimanu         hi everyone
21:36 ShadowNinja     Those open movies don't seem to make much sense story-wise, but they show off blender's capabilities pretty well.
21:36 ShadowNinja     The exception being the bunny one, I think...
21:36 ShadowNinja     (In the first point)
21:41 sfan5           avi
21:41 sfan5           why avi?
21:41 sfan5           avi is shit
21:42 sfan5           ffmpeg -i somefile.avi -vcodec libx264 -crf 20 -acodec libopus somefile.mkv
21:42 sfan5           if your ffmpeg doesn't support opus: https://gist.github.com/sfan5/8672767#file-ffbuild-sh
21:44 PilzAdam        bye
21:45 sfan5           good night
22:37 Megaf_          VanessaE: ping
22:37 VanessaE        pong
22:37 Jordach         pliong
22:37 Megaf_          VanessaE: Id like to know your opnion on something in my server, related to pipeworks, can you join briefly please?
22:38 Megaf_          !up megaf.no-ip.info 30003
22:38 MinetestBot     megaf.no-ip.info:30003 is up (709ms)
22:38 VanessaE        not now
22:40 ___             _
22:40 ___             +
22:40 ___             HI
22:41 Jordach         !deop VanessaE
22:41 Jordach         !next
22:41 MinetestBot     Another satisfied customer. Next!
22:41 VanessaE        haha
22:41 VanessaE        chickenshit :)
22:48 EvergreenTree   My computer knocked down two 4k renders for Jordach in 30 seconds.  :D
22:48 iqualfragile    EvergreenTree: http://z0r.de/1838
22:48 EvergreenTree   lol
22:57 hoodedice       Ubuntu is being a jerk
22:58 hoodedice       Removed ia32-libs, and made it almost impossible to install it
22:58 fwilson         hoodedice: of course, it's ubuntu!
22:59 hoodedice       *Xubuntu.
22:59 fwilson         still buntu :p
22:59 fwilson         try Gentoo on ia64!
22:59 hoodedice       Ah, true stereotype
22:59 fwilson         that was a _pain_
22:59 hoodedice       The son is being discriminated due to his father.
22:59 * fwilson       <3 his itanium cluster
23:00 hoodedice       And all I want to do is play a visual novel.
23:00 hoodedice       ^.^
23:00 fwilson         :p
23:00 hoodedice       WHY ARE YOU REMOVING THOSE PACKAGES?!
23:01 hoodedice       Worst thing is that linux doesn't have srs, or something similar
23:01 harrison        hoodedice: i can tell you what is happening
23:01 frogcrush       Wait... Visual novels exist?
23:01 hoodedice       But music is still awesomer than windows without srs
23:01 hoodedice       Yes, harrison?
23:01 harrison        ia32libs goes away. it no longer exists with the new kernels
23:02 hoodedice       I've seen the forums
23:02 harrison        you will have to use multiarch
23:02 hoodedice       They tried to do another mir here
23:02 harrison        at first it is a huge hassle
23:02 harrison        but
23:02 harrison        we cannot stop progress
23:02 hoodedice       That's what it is! I just can't configure multiarch properly
23:03 hoodedice       Worst of all, it gives me that crappy 'file not found' shit
23:06 Peacock         i was gonna update today for the skybox and kickplayer functions but i hear the latest git is not loading maps, fixed yet?
23:06 hoodedice       !g minetest git
23:06 MinetestBot     hoodedice: https://github.com/minetest/minetest
23:06 VanessaE        nope, not fixed yet.
23:06 hoodedice       Do it yourself XP
23:06 VanessaE        don't update beyond 458045d49f.
23:06 Peacock         well ill hold off then im not good git kung fu lol
23:07 VanessaE        hmmmm's commits last night broke the emergethread or something
23:07 hoodedice       Oh great. Thanks VanessaE.
23:07 hoodedice       Maybe he was drunk XD?
23:07 Peacock         i thought all he changed was that mapgen params function..
23:10 VanessaE        idk what all was changed.
23:10 Peacock         weird i can't find those pulls in closed :/
23:11 hoodedice       just great...
23:12 hoodedice       The awesome software center removed itself, or I derped.
23:12 EvergreenTree   Does this require a hard reset?
23:12 Peacock         ah found them on his gh profile/page whatever it's called
23:12 Peacock         update minetest.conf, overhaul mapgenparams, and add no-exception of get method... im guessing its the last one
23:14 * hoodedice     installs python x32 bit, Software center commits suicide.
23:14 Peacock         ugh, python lol
23:14 * hoodedice     Fixes Software center, python x32 bit commits suicide.
23:14 Peacock         i have a collection of scripts that each use different versions of python, so obviously they all have to be installed lol
23:14 hoodedice       Oh, how I love ubuntu
23:15 hoodedice       Using ubuntu 64 bit was my greatest mistake
23:15 Peacock         well you might have some 64/32bit compat issues somewhere
23:15 hoodedice       Peacock, how much RAM does your server use?
23:15 Peacock         ah fuck i forget how much this box has
23:16 hoodedice       Ren'py. Half the novels I got are 32 fcking bit
23:16 Peacock         where do i find my ram? (kinda miss the 'System Properties' from win right about now lol)
23:17 hoodedice       I think it was
23:18 hoodedice       lshw?
23:18 Peacock         that was stupid it's written on conky lol
23:18 Peacock         3.45gb
23:18 hoodedice       sudo lshw
23:18 hoodedice       lol
23:18 Peacock         im guessing the 0.45 is the video memory
23:18 hoodedice       Well, last time, with Nodetopia, and 30+ mods. 4 players on max, used 2 GB
23:18 hoodedice       I have 4
23:18 Peacock         in any case minetest server doesn't use up all my ram but it tends to max out both cores (cpu) somehow
23:18 hoodedice       Well, mine ran 50% on aerage
23:19 hoodedice       Celeron - no heating at all
23:19 hoodedice       It gets hotter on IRC than on minetest XD
23:19 Peacock         odd lol i get decent ram and bad cpu perf
23:19 Peacock         vlc playing bluray uses less cpu lol
23:20 hoodedice       Celeron is just freakin awesome.
23:21 hoodedice       If only intel didn't lock it...
23:21 Peacock         i'll be sure to tell him next i see him
23:21 hoodedice       =|
23:21 hoodedice       Lame.
23:21 Peacock         lol
23:21 Peacock         well 99% of the time that's who they're talking about here
23:21 Peacock         i thought they stopped making the chips years ago
23:22 hoodedice       This is a touchscreen laptop with Windows 8. I guess it mst be 2013 or later
23:22 Peacock         ugh, touch screen
23:22 hoodedice       Meh, I like it.
23:22 * Enke          shivers
23:23 Peacock         yeah but for 25 fucking years i've getting pissed at people who come over and stick their fingers on my screens to point at things... now with touchscreens they have an excuse "oh i thought.." lol
23:23 hoodedice       On laptops, it is actually practicable
23:23 hoodedice       rofl. For me, problem is only my 2 year old cousin
23:23 hoodedice       That guy is, well *something bad which I would not like to call my cousin anyway*
23:24 hoodedice       He comes over and taps the screen. ANd since he knows it ticks me off, he does it EVEN more!
23:25 Peacock         what was even worse though was armchair-experts installing random shit and changing configs lol
23:25 Peacock         windows users stopped doing that, linux users just install linux on unsuspecting windows users (correlation?) :p
23:26 hoodedice       I don't exactly get you?
23:26 hoodedice       Please use simple english.
23:26 Enke            Peacock: revenge.
23:26 Peacock         well in the 90s, people would install random apps (on win) claiming it would make things better, it usually just turned out to be spyware/toolbars
23:27 Peacock         some would completely bork your setup after promising to make it faster lol
23:27 hoodedice       oh.
23:27 hoodedice       It still happens even now XD
23:27 Peacock         nowadays its mostly linux advocates installing linux on unsuspecting windows users (hoping they won't notice lol)
23:28 hoodedice       =|
23:28 Peacock         though i didn't complain, a lot of those unsuspecting windows users came to me and paid me to set things back the way they were lol
23:28 VanessaE        honestly, I've never heard of anyone doing that would the user's permission
23:29 VanessaE        or if the windows install was totally botched and HAD to be rewritten anyway
23:29 VanessaE        in which case it was always "try this, if you don't like it, tell me."
23:29 VanessaE        (never done that myself, though)
23:30 Peacock         well like i said, those idiots did it for free, i got paid to set things back lol
23:30 Peacock         a lot of them were told they'd notice no difference, until they tried getting their favorite app/game to work
23:30 VanessaE        really though, when you have to fix a person's OS too often, you have four choices: 1. say "no" and deal wth the fallout; 2. charge money; 3. keep reinstalling and do it for free; 4. install something that's less likely to break.
23:31 Peacock         4: not linux, thats OSX lol
23:31 Peacock         1: if you're not getting paid, yeah don't bother
23:31 Peacock         2: thumbs up
23:31 Peacock         3: give em a crash course on not clicking/installing random shit
23:32 VanessaE        4:  OSX on commodity PCs?  I think Apple will want to have a talk with you.....
23:32 Peacock         im sure they give about as much a shit than MS cares about people using pirated windows lol
23:32 VanessaE        1:  say "no" to your mom?  good luck with that.  2:  charge your mom money?  you're funny.
23:32 VanessaE        3:  user's don't listen.
23:33 VanessaE        4: Since when does OSX run on random commodity hardware?
23:33 Peacock         having had me around, my mom knows better than to do shady things on the PC or let people do shady things to her PC
23:33 VanessaE        user's?  *hangs head in shame for misusing an apostrophe*
23:34 Peacock         either way, linux is not less likely to break, i have several lost weekends to attest to that. tho the main problem always comes when the win user finds out they can't run their favorite software
23:35 hoodedice       Later.
23:36 hoodedice       Headache. Thank you, ubuntu
23:36 Peacock         i guess thats the difference between the paid tech guy and the unpaid advocate, the paid guy doesn't have time to convince anyone to try alternative software (which is hard enough to do anyhow)
23:37 Peacock         sucks though, judging from hoodedice's experience, i should probably hold off puting 64bit CB on this box :/
23:37 hoodedice       Is CB based on buntu?
23:38 Peacock         used to, now they use deb
23:39 Peacock         though i wish they'd update to slightly more recent repos
23:40 VanessaE        CB?
23:40 VanessaE        oh
23:40 VanessaE        crunchbang
23:40 Peacock         archbang's cousin lol
23:40 VanessaE        everyone's still afraid of amd64 builds?
23:41 Peacock         well hoodedice seems ot be having problems anyhow
23:41 VanessaE        here I thought I was the last of the 32-bit holdouts...and even I switched over two years ago :P
23:42 Peacock         well i didn't really think when i installed CB, i have the 1 disc, a p4, an atomn450, and the new tower which is 64bit
23:42 Peacock         im not even sure if the netbook is 32 or 64 lol
23:53 EvergreenTree   VanessaE, If I was still on my laptop, I would be a 32 bit holdout
23:54 VanessaE        EvergreenTree: well I'm talking about for those folks who can run amd64 that is
23:54 VanessaE        (can but choose not to)
23:54 EvergreenTree   ah
23:54 EvergreenTree   in that case, no.  :P
23:54 EvergreenTree   I couldn't use all my ram If I went 32-bit
23:55 Peacock         well i look forward to the day where you have a single install media that can figure that out on it's own lol
23:58 VanessaE        well that's doable now I think
23:59 VanessaE        it's more a matter of whether you wanna spend all that space to duplicate all those packages
23:59 VanessaE        it's either 6-8 GB worth of install media and have everything like usual, or ~4GB worth but have to really REALLY trim it down to fit.
23:59 VanessaE        (and install most everything over the 'net)