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01:33 EvergreenTree !ydobyreve olleh
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01:35 EvergreenTree o/
01:36 Enke o/
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01:46 stormchaser3000 hi
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01:55 ShadowNinja ~reverse <last --from EvergreenTree --with !>
01:55 ShadowBot ShadowNinja: hello everybody!
01:55 ShadowNinja :-D
01:56 EvergreenTree ShadowBot, y u so awesome
01:57 Enke 'cuz it's ShadowBot!
01:57 cornernote this guy is dope http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERH-QA1L2Qs
01:58 EvergreenTree !title
01:58 MinetestBot EvergreenTree: Vegan Rap -- No Wrapping The Dead - YouTube
01:59 cornernote clever title
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01:59 cornernote hey NekoGloop
02:00 VanessaE hey cn
02:00 cornernote hey V
02:00 cornernote hows things ?
02:00 VanessaE pretty good, all things considered
02:00 cornernote if not, simply dont consider all things =)
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02:01 Megaf_ Hi?
02:01 cornernote hey Megaf
02:02 Megaf_ Hi cornernote, how are things?
02:03 cornernote going awesome
02:03 cornernote i got my onda board yesterday
02:03 cornernote sooo fun
02:03 cornernote http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rx6CFSQc3M4
02:04 cornernote EvergreenTree, no !title on it ?
02:04 EvergreenTree fine
02:04 Megaf_ cornernote, I wish I could say the same, but things could be better here =/
02:04 cornernote i have a longboard
02:05 cornernote like a real one, made of wood with skateboard wheels
02:05 cornernote only been riding a cpl of weeks
02:05 cornernote the onda board is very different to ride
02:05 cornernote a lot less stable until you get used to it
02:05 Megaf_ bigger wheels
02:05 Megaf_ VanessaE, ping
02:05 cornernote it turns so sharp
02:06 Megaf_ cornernote, I'm a bike guy
02:06 cornernote and if you're going fast, and you lose a little balance then you end up on your ass
02:06 Megaf_ either mountain and road
02:06 cornernote yeah, i used to love my bmx
02:06 Megaf_ unfortunately my road bike is wrecked, fucking drivers
02:06 cornernote but now it sits in the shed... too much effort to go bike riding compared to boarding
02:07 cornernote what happened ?
02:07 Megaf_ a woman didnt know what a stop sign meant
02:07 Megaf_ I crashed my bike into her car at 65 Km/h
02:07 Megaf_ Broke her windshield with my head
02:08 Megaf_ fortunately I was wearing a helmet and I was almost not injured
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02:10 VanessaE pong
02:11 VanessaE I'm glad you're okay, Megaf_
02:11 VanessaE that's not exactly what I'd call a slow impact
02:11 VanessaE that's enough to kill
02:11 Megaf_ VanessaE, Yes it is more than enough
02:12 Megaf_ well, but that was a couple of years ago
02:12 Megaf_ VanessaE, good to see you, something terrible happened to my server
02:16 cornernote > Broke her windshield with my head
02:16 cornernote ouch !
02:16 cornernote yeah, helmets are good
02:16 cornernote i have to wear one as a good parental guide to my kids
02:16 cornernote but now im getting more into it, i wear it even if nobodys around
02:17 cornernote i figure that i kinda need my head
02:17 cornernote its a somewhat useful part of my being
02:18 cornernote humble weekly bundle this week is AWESOME! - https://www.humblebundle.com/weekly
02:20 Megaf_ cornernote, yep, my helmet broke too, but that's what it's made for
02:26 Megaf_ !seen Gronx
02:26 Megaf_ MinetestBot, are you there?
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02:26 cornernote yeah, my $30 helmet is cheaper to replace than a head
02:28 ShadowNinja ~seen Gronx
02:28 ShadowBot ShadowNinja: I haven't seen Gronx in #minetest.
02:29 Megaf_ ~seen gronx
02:29 ShadowBot Megaf_: I haven't seen gronx in #minetest.
02:29 Megaf_ liar
02:29 Megaf_ .seen gronx
02:30 Megaf_ also, I thought that I had my server backed up, as there was a folder called backup, but today I went and see what there was inside and I saw no worlds folder! So my server is gone forever! =/
02:30 Megaf_ today is a sad day
02:34 Sokomine Megaf_: indeed. perhaps you're lucky and someone did a local copy of your world (or at least of part of it)
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02:46 Megaf_ does inventory_plus has a good crafting guide?
02:46 VanessaE use unified inventory
02:46 Peacock use moreunifiedinventoryplus, it has chocolate-chip cookies XD
02:48 VanessaE :P
02:48 Peacock happy to help :D
03:06 * Sokomine secretly smuggles a cookie past the sign and throws it at peacock :-)
03:08 Peacock i cant eat cookies right now lol the latest batch of spaghetti sauce had quite a bit of ja-la-pee-nos and my stomach's been in knots since i woke up lol
03:18 paramat turns out the snowblocks were 'in the ground' instead of 'on the ground', and were replacing the 'dirt_with_snow' below, now fixed
03:19 VanessaE eep
03:33 paramat i think onpon was talking about the guy in the video Peacock, not you ... =)
03:34 PapaJacky so
03:34 PapaJacky how is minetest different from regular minecraft
03:34 Peacock ah well how am i supposed to guess :P he said the same thing about me lol
03:35 Enke PapaJacky: Open-Source, different language, designed around moddability, usually faster.
03:35 Enke To name a few.
03:35 PapaJacky is it still java
03:38 Peacock either way i fixed it before it spirals into another interminable debate lol
03:38 paramat yeah it was easy to misunderstand that post, i thought that when i first read it
03:39 Peacock lol well hoodedice thinks onpons talking about the show host, you and i both thought he was talking about me, so who knows really lol
03:40 paramat okay so ice is trimmed a little closer to the coastline now, im testing now, however it has a parameter for ice width so you can adjust that
03:41 Peacock sounds good, maps not gone public yet so we haven't loaded too many islands :-)
03:47 Peacock though before going live in gonna have to code one of those agree/disagree tos thingies so there's no more confusion about the rules lol
03:47 Peacock *im
03:49 VanessaE PapaJacky: Minetest is written by a totally different team, in C++, not Java.  It is entirely unrelated to Minecraft except that the concept is similar.
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03:49 Peacock our dev team doesn't code with java, they code with alcohol :P
03:49 PapaJacky so it's like a copy of minecraft, but in c++
03:49 VanessaE (that is, it's a block-based sandbox world in which you dig, craft, build, and maybe fight monsters in some cases()
03:49 VanessaE no, not a copy.
03:49 VanessaE totally different game and goals.
03:50 PapaJacky the art direction looks the same though
03:50 PapaJacky might want to clear that up
03:50 Peacock um, yeah kinda a copy lol
03:50 VanessaE Minetest is to Minecraft as, say, OpenArena is to Call of Duty
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03:51 VanessaE same sort of genre, more or less, but differnt art, code, developers, goals, etc/.
03:51 Peacock i mean if its not the engine copying MC verbatim than some of the present devs wrote mods totally imitating the MC style and gameplay
03:51 Peacock (see block man and pilsbury's mods)
03:51 VanessaE those mods aren't part of the Minetest or minetest_game distributions.
03:52 Peacock no but those devs are :P so i assume it's somewhat their goal :P
03:52 VanessaE you can't count them any more than you can count RedPower2 or IndustrialCraft as being part of Minecraft
03:53 Peacock like those item drops so many minetestians thought were annoying but were done anyway because that's how its done in mC :P
03:54 Peacock though it is true 2/3's of the people here aren't interested in producing a 0-cost MC
03:54 VanessaE I use that mod for its "magnetic" pickup function, but I don't like the drop-on-dig function at all.  irritating.
03:54 VanessaE you have to consider something:
03:54 VanessaE just because MC does something, doesn't make it a bad idea
03:54 Megaf_ This gonna be interesting https://paste.debian.net/79404/
03:54 VanessaE and just because something's a good idea but MC does it, doesn't mean we have to avoid it.
03:55 Peacock true but you can't also claim were totally different in our approach either
03:56 VanessaE the ENGINE is totally different in approach
03:56 VanessaE modding is a different animal entirely and you know it
03:56 Peacock i guess it depends on whether specific people have also played MC or not, since I haven't i tend to prefer a fresh approach
03:56 VanessaE hell you know that better than anyone
03:56 VanessaE I've NEVER played MC
03:56 VanessaE so everything I do I approach with a fresh eye
03:56 VanessaE the most of MC I've ever seen is from the occasional video
03:56 Megaf_ I used to be a MC player, and had servers too
03:57 Peacock me neither, thats why it drives me nuts when people use things like "more minecraft-like" to defend ideas lol
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03:57 VanessaE I might see something "hm, that looks useful, I might be able to implement that in MT", but I don't recall the last time I actually followed through with that
03:57 Megaf_ My ex, me and my gf, we all bought and played MC
03:57 VanessaE Pipeworks for example, was born out of a desire to rewrite sfan5's oil mod.
03:57 VanessaE (sorry sfan5...your pipes were butt ugly ;) )
03:57 Megaf_ heh
03:57 Megaf_ indeed
03:57 Peacock well that mod is ancient lol
03:57 VanessaE yeah I know
03:57 Peacock and still broken last i checked
03:58 VanessaE but at the time I started working on pipeworks, it wasn't actually all that far outdated
03:58 VanessaE now, of course, it's long dead.
03:58 VanessaE anyway
03:58 Peacock though im a bit surprised no one's come out with a moreliquids type mod to go with pipeworks
03:58 VanessaE I do all my mods from the perspective of "I'd like this, this and this in Minetest"
03:58 VanessaE and so I code it.
03:58 VanessaE and I don't usually give two shits if MC has it or not
03:59 VanessaE Peacock: actually I've got a new branch in progress that I hope will be scalable to any liquid you wanna use.
03:59 Peacock well i told you how to solve that a long time ago :P store the liquid name in the meta
04:00 VanessaE yep
04:00 VanessaE that's the plan
04:00 VanessaE but first I have to finish the flowing logic rewrite
04:00 Peacock well that shouldn't take long then :P
04:00 VanessaE and I've been lazy
04:01 Peacock good luck with that, flowing logic will never be perfect, no matter what you go with, someone will come up with a setup that defies logic
04:01 VanessaE I got it to the point where it works quite well.  picks up water from the pump, balances/equalizes it across the network, and sprays it out a spigot or fountainhead until the pressure drops too low
04:01 VanessaE I just haven't finished the other items e.g. valves and such
04:01 Peacock i can save you a bit of trouble right there: just combine the valves and fountainheads
04:02 VanessaE how's that?
04:02 Peacock well they both do the same thing
04:02 VanessaE erm
04:02 VanessaE you mean fountains/spigots do...
04:02 Peacock erm, yeah lol
04:03 VanessaE derp :)
04:03 Peacock too many parts i get mixed up lol
04:03 Peacock i even got a few different types of valves now
04:03 VanessaE actually I'll keep what I got because they work fine as-is
04:03 VanessaE the other objects I just haven't coded in yet is all
04:03 VanessaE and I don't wanna break old maps
04:03 Peacock well its also duplication, spigots/fountainheads can be just combined into a spigot that shoots particles in whatever direction, and if its facing down it can also place a full liquid node
04:04 Peacock though that becomes more obvious when you 6d the whole thing
04:05 Peacock got the pipes working in 6d yet? that seemed like a huge pain in the ass so i never did it lol just all the other parts
04:10 VanessaE oh yes
04:10 VanessaE they're fully 6d now
04:10 Megaf_ sorry, 6d?
04:10 Peacock that must have cut down on alot of nodes
04:11 VanessaE Megaf_: "6d facedir" means a node can be rotated to face any roll, pitch, and yaw (in 90 degree steps)
04:11 VanessaE Peacock: yeah, by something like 600 nodes in total
04:11 VanessaE I think, maybe 700
04:11 Peacock 600? didnt know pipeworks had that many combinations
04:11 VanessaE it has lots of different kinds of tubes as well as pipes
04:12 ShadowNinja Unless you have a negative ammount now... ^
04:12 Peacock ah well i never used tubes
04:12 Peacock nor did i have the on/off variety
04:12 VanessaE there were 64 nodes per tube or pipe, two kinds of pipes and I think around 12 kinds of tubes
04:12 VanessaE now there are something like 12 nodes apiece.
04:14 ShadowNinja Oh, the tube registration function should be vastly simplified BTW, it's HUGE and ugly (So many textures!)
04:14 VanessaE I probably have the count wrong, but anyway, it was a LOT
04:14 Peacock why not 1 kind of tube? what do they all do?
04:14 Megaf_ folks, can you please test my server? I feels fast as hell to me. megaf.no-ip.info 30003
04:15 VanessaE Peacock: accelerators, sorting, one-way/diode, non-turning crossovers, teleporters, and a bunch of other kinds
04:15 VanessaE ShadowNinja: they were created like that because I hate trying to pass off one texture to serve multiple purposes.  it makes things look like shit in HDX sometimes :)
04:16 Megaf_ I still have to setup the http thing
04:16 VanessaE (really though, things like the crossover tube wouldn't have been texturable properly without that kind of flexibility)
04:16 Megaf_ so texture might take some time to load
04:16 VanessaE Megaf_: as long as you're at git HEAD, the media transfer code isn't too terribly slow anymore
04:17 ShadowNinja VanessaE: Perhaps, but combine a few and generate the names for the rest.
04:17 VanessaE it can sustain a few mbps at least, now.
04:17 VanessaE ShadowNinja: OH, sure algorithmically generating the filenames isn't a bad idea, you're right
04:17 VanessaE I'll work on condensing that at some point soon
04:17 VanessaE or maybe get nore to it ;)
04:19 Megaf_ this LuaJIT seems to be pretty fast
04:20 Peacock seems like it would just be simpler to implement trek-ian cargo transporters lol
04:23 VanessaE Peacock: teleporter tubes. :)
04:24 Peacock then if you got those what the others are for?
04:24 VanessaE sorting and such
04:24 VanessaE players play in different ways
04:24 VanessaE not everyone likes to take the fast way out :P
04:25 Peacock well having a bunch of machines to mine sort and craft seems like an overly complicated way to play creative :p
04:25 VanessaE people do this on survival too
04:26 Peacock well whether its creative or survival or economy people seem to be just as clueless how to play lol
04:26 Peacock you'd think some of them didn't even know it's a building game lol
04:27 Peacock the thing people enjoyed the most on my server was killing each other lol
04:27 VanessaE yeah so I've noticed :-/
04:27 SirDigby I don't get that at all
04:27 VanessaE same on my servers, which is why I disabled pvp
04:27 SirDigby must be a age thing
04:27 Peacock well there are plenty of free FPS's thats what i dont get lol
04:28 Peacock or maybe people get a kick out of killing people trying to build things? lol
04:28 SirDigby I just want to build. my teen days of fpf is long over with
04:29 SirDigby the most I do is play tf2 once and a while
04:29 Peacock well strategy games and FPS's arent as good as they used to be anyways
04:29 Peacock graphics got better, gameplay and users got a lot worse lol
04:29 SirDigby It all started with cod 4
04:30 Peacock they closed the Cod and salmon fisheries here, environmental reasons
04:30 SirDigby right
04:30 Peacock just kidding :p
04:30 Peacock those modern FPS where people actually talk to eachother (teamspeak shit), i find that repulsive lol
04:31 Peacock you can practically hear the greasy 12 year old breathing down nacho cheese
04:31 Peacock and theres always that one kid on the game whos like this: http://youtu.be/q8SWMAQYQf0
04:32 SirDigby Well cod people and really everyone on xbox are just pre teens and teens insulting each other, may as well be free for all
04:32 SirDigby and up in till last year tf2 on pc master race was actual team play
04:32 SirDigby or you didn't win the map
04:32 Peacock seriously, if you wanna know who your mother slept with, xbox is the place to go XD
04:33 SirDigby I find it fucked up that my 60+ year old mother is sleeping with 12 year olds
04:33 Peacock and apparently 90% of xbox users are gay, in stark contrast to the real world XD
04:34 SirDigby Naturaly I confronted her upon learning of this down right morally wrong and illegal activity.
04:36 SirDigby It's to sad that they feel the need to slander homosexual African Americans
04:36 Peacock oh yeah i forgot about the racial epithets lol
04:37 Peacock nevermind the fact that i've yet to cross a single african here or on any other game
04:37 Peacock (apparently they dig up the internet cables as fast as the companies can bury them)
04:42 Peacock "Jerry Seinfeld is planning a comeback reunion" NOOOOOOOOOO! </vader>
04:43 PapaJacky you must not play enough games then
04:43 VanessaE bbl, bedtime
04:44 Peacock well im pushing 30 so no lol not that many these days
04:44 Peacock besides they're all starting to suck, they even found a way to ruin simcity
04:44 PapaJacky yeah it really just depends on the type of games you play
04:45 Peacock i tend to prefer builder games since FPS all tend to be the same
04:46 Peacock the only thing thats changed in FPS's since my childhood and now is I fought nazis kids today fight the chinese or arabs lol
04:46 Peacock Return to Castle Wolfenstein is still my favorite lol
04:46 PapaJacky it's probably because sim games have a small community in comparison to other gaming communities
04:46 PapaJacky like there are plenty of black guys in the fgc
04:46 Peacock fgc?
04:47 PapaJacky fighting games community
04:47 Peacock well black isn't the same as actually living in Africa, there are plenty of black guys in Europe and North America :P
04:47 PapaJacky oh
04:47 PapaJacky well that's probably just because there are probably less gamers in africa in general lol
04:48 Peacock well yeah, even in the first world we have problems with copper thieves, imagine cable thefts in Africa, most of them use cellphones to go online
04:49 Peacock (and no not because of anyones colour :P scrap metal is worth alot to anyone who's poor regardless of colour)
04:50 Peacock besides most of the poor people in Canada are as white as snow (another thing we got in abundance lol)
04:55 paramat Peacock, finally ... :P' ... im getting somewhere with the ice, biome blend plus thinning away from islands http://i.imgur.com/uuCaSDq.png
04:55 Peacock cool, seems to reflect the shape of the coastline
04:57 paramat yep :D i had better push this now ... i love pushing the git master's origin
05:00 Peacock sounds good, ill update tomorrow, i haven't played much today after spending most of last night on that bridge lol
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06:00 Peacock so im checking out Dark Touch, the trailer makes it look like a modern Children of the Corn, though if they modernized that old movie and made it for geeks it would probably be called Children of Cron
06:30 sfan5 VanessaE: I wasn't able to use nodeboxes when I wrote the oil mod
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10:45 * Jordach will attempt to make a proper 2D mapgen
10:46 * Peacock will attempt to conquer Persia (like Alexander the Great)
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10:49 Jordach if you google perlin noise Lua, the Minetest API.txt appears
10:50 Peacock googling doc lua api txt gives the same result :P
10:53 Peacock though, i googled it millions of times, and clicked on the appropriate link, so if im not the only one doing that, it shouldn't surprise lol
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10:59 Jordach fuck it, i'll go write my own noise algor
11:00 reactor Anyone yet created a mod that randomly replaced blocks?
11:00 reactor (need to make stone roads look older, don't know what to use to automate that)
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11:06 Peacock reactor i wrote a decay mod a long time ago,just code an abm that randomly replaces road material with graffiti/cracked versions of the same thing
11:08 reactor good
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11:14 Megaf Good &(date) everyone
11:17 Peacock and matinal felicitations to you
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11:22 * Jordach takes the booze away from Peacock
11:23 * Megaf is creating a new shell script
11:24 Peacock thats not fair, i got one beer left and then its time for 7am dinner :p
11:33 VanessaE sfan5: actually I was referring to your textures, not your models :P
11:33 VanessaE good morning all
11:35 Jordach morning VanessaE
11:35 * Jordach has a 4 day weekend
11:35 Peacock 4 day weekend? when u start workin?
11:35 Jordach Peacock, school's closed today, and i've got no lessons monday
11:36 Peacock ah school that makes sense
11:36 Jordach derp
11:37 Jordach !c 30*300
11:37 MinetestBot 9000
11:37 Jordach !c 9000*6
11:37 MinetestBot 54000
11:37 Jordach fuck
11:37 Peacock well 4 day weekends feel a lot better when you're miserable (working) :P
11:38 Megaf morning VanessaE
11:38 Megaf VanessaE: any way to make moretrees mod more independent and lightweight?
11:38 Peacock removing it, but that kindof defeats the purpose :P
11:38 VanessaE it only relies on plants_lib and it only spanws saplings at mapgen time
11:39 Peacock alternatively, disable the spawning code :P
11:39 VanessaE it's not possible to make it any more lightweight than it is now
11:39 VanessaE you could rewrite plants_lib to use vmanip maybe, or that decorations code that was being worked on, but I've no idea how either of those works
11:40 VanessaE or if that would help at all, let alone whether it would even work right
11:40 Peacock lsystems is fast enough, its the spawning code thats a huge drag
11:40 VanessaE Peacock: nope.avi
11:40 VanessaE lsystems is fast, it's the *lighting* code that's slow
11:40 VanessaE the evaluation code is fast, less than 100ms per chunk typical
11:41 VanessaE placing a tree is fast, a few ms
11:41 Peacock well enough servers disabled the spawning part to know what lags :P
11:41 VanessaE but *building* the tree is slow, and that's entirely inside the engine.
11:41 VanessaE so I disabled spawning whole trees at mapgen time by default a LONG time ago.
11:41 VanessaE I only spawn saplings.
11:41 VanessaE anyone who hasn't updated moretrees to account for that just doesn't care
11:42 Peacock well engine lighting sucks regardless of what anyone tries to do with it
11:42 Peacock though i skipped the whole ongen and abm phase  by having the saplings generate the trees on place
11:45 VanessaE the saplings are a rapid-growing kind that users can't get or place normally, they start growing within about 10 seconds of being spawned, that way the world doesn't take too long to build up
11:45 VanessaE but the mapgen doesn't get lagged out by it
11:45 VanessaE (an abm handles the growth after the saplings are spawned by the mapgen)
11:47 Megaf I see
11:54 Megaf quite hard to play minetest via VNC
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12:10 Jordach VanessaE, generating a titanic render (mainly most of my models that I've made before)
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12:13 Jordach hey Rhy5
12:13 Rhy5 Hey Jordach. :)
12:13 Jordach Rhy5, last night i was working with ChainLynx (hint, he's got a special G6 model that's custom built)
12:13 Rhy5 Ok?
12:14 Jordach and i'm working on a final wallpaper
12:14 Rhy5 Very nice. :)
12:15 Rhy5 Are you good with nodeboxes btw Jordach?
12:16 Jordach no
12:16 Jordach nodeboxes are not my thing
12:16 Rhy5 Hmm...
12:17 Rhy5 Do you know anybody who can help me?
12:22 Jordach Blender Fail 2: forget to remove doubles on a transparent material
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12:28 sfan5 hi everyone
12:28 * sfan5 throws a kitten-in-a-box at Jordach
12:29 Jordach meow
12:29 Jordach sfan5, just experimenting with something awesome
12:29 sfan5 tell meh
12:30 Megaf anyone with a little time to help to test my server?
12:30 VanessaE yet another minecraft render...
12:31 Megaf sfan5: a kitten-in-a-box would be really sucefull in Japan
12:32 Jordach plol' http://i.imgur.com/s0nGyN6.png
12:32 Jordach VanessaE, wrong wrong wrong wrong
12:32 Jordach http://i.imgur.com/oEqntXV.png
12:33 VanessaE oh, imagine that... it's minetest-related for once :P
12:33 Jordach </troll>
12:33 VanessaE sorry to be so cynical
12:33 Jordach that wallpaper topic resurfaced for air
12:34 Jordach i thought i'd make use of my four days off
12:34 VanessaE but you've been rather obsessed with MC for a while now.
12:34 Megaf lol, doritos flavour
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12:36 Megaf does that looks ok? http://megaf.no-ip.info:8080/media
12:36 VanessaE Megaf: yeah, but not port 8080
12:36 VanessaE it needs to be on port 80.
12:36 Megaf why?
12:36 VanessaE (afaik)
12:36 VanessaE because that's where minetest goes to get it from.
12:37 VanessaE unless there's some extra bit I'm unaware of
12:37 VanessaE try it and see if it works?
12:37 Megaf VanessaE: remote_media = http://megaf.no-ip.info:8080/media/
12:37 VanessaE well try it, maybe it'll work
12:37 VanessaE dunn
12:37 VanessaE dunno
12:37 VanessaE but the structure seems right
12:38 sfan5 !title
12:38 MinetestBot sfan5: Index of /media/
12:38 Megaf VanessaE: can you try please? megaf.no-ip.info 30003
12:38 VanessaE just make sure each of the files present there is the exact file that will be sent by your minetest server had the media not exited.
12:38 VanessaE existed.
12:39 Megaf nobody will have interact privs by the way
12:39 Megaf I'm just testing some stuff first
12:39 VanessaE 07:39:03: INFO[main]: Client: Failed to remote-fetch 1318 files. Requesting them the usual way.
12:40 VanessaE 07:39:03: INFO[CurlFetchThread]: http://megaf.no-ip.info:8080/media/index.mth no
12:40 VanessaE t found (HTTP response code said error) (response code 417)
12:40 VanessaE I told you you need to fix that
12:40 sfan5 Megaf: I'm sure they have 猫-in-a-箱 in japan already
12:40 Megaf VanessaE: That's really too bad
12:40 VanessaE you need to return 404, not 417.
12:40 VanessaE fix your webserver.
12:41 sfan5 Megaf: try this script for remote-media: https://gist.github.com/sfan5/6351560
12:41 Megaf sfan5: I used this https://forum.minetest.net/vi​ewtopic.php?pid=69079#p69079
12:42 VanessaE I told you you need to fix that error code!  fix your G*d damned webserver FIRST
12:43 Megaf VanessaE: it gives 404 for me
12:44 VanessaE the curl/media fetch code bugs out when the server returns anything other than 404 for a file not found.
12:44 VanessaE well maybe a browser gets a 404, but the minetest client gets a 417 from your webserver.
12:45 Megaf whats that mht thing anyway?
12:45 VanessaE idk, a hashed list of files or something, I don't know exactly how it works
12:45 Megaf sfan5: the index.mht file should or should not be there?
12:45 VanessaE fix your webserver to return proper error codes and try sfan5's script.
12:47 VanessaE Megaf:
12:47 VanessaE 07:50:38: INFO[CurlFetchThread]: http://192.99.11.10/creativ​e-survival-media/index.mth not found (HTTP response code said error) (response code 404)
12:47 VanessaE that's MY webserver.
12:47 VanessaE I also don't use the index.mth as you can see,
12:47 VanessaE but nginx returns a proper 404.
12:48 VanessaE because it returns a 404:
12:48 VanessaE 07:50:38: INFO[main]: Client: Enabling compatibility mode for remote server "http://192.99.11.10/creative-survival-media/"
12:48 twoelk|2 Megaf: Error[CurlFetchThread]: select returned error code 10022 - ERROR[MeshUpdateThread]: Waiting for solids_shader timed out
12:49 VanessaE but the client doesn't do this on your server because you return code 417, which causes the curl fetch code to bug out.  kahrl knows about this already.  until it can be fixed (and even when it is), you need to make your webserver properly return a 404
12:49 VanessaE twoelk|2: that's a client bug.
12:49 twoelk|2 :-(
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12:49 VanessaE happens to me in singplayer.  Megaf, ignore that shader thing.
12:49 Megaf VanessaE: well, so I'm not using that remote_media thing, I have no idea how to fix that in Lighttpd
12:50 VanessaE Megaf: just look it up, I'm sure there's some documentation somewhere.  it's probably related to the USER_AGENT being sent by the minetest client.
12:50 VanessaE just a rough guess
12:50 VanessaE because I can also attempt a wget of http://megaf.no-ip.info:8080/media/index.mth and I get a 404 that way also.
12:51 VanessaE you could just ditch lighttpd and use nginx or something else that works :P
12:51 Megaf lighttpd is fast and lightweight
12:51 VanessaE "fast and lightweight" means exactly dick
12:52 VanessaE what matters is WHAT you send
12:52 VanessaE not HOW you send it
12:52 VanessaE you're not serving up a media-heavy website to millions of clients
12:52 VanessaE you could just as well be running apache and you probably wouldn't notice a difference :P
12:52 VanessaE and besides, nginx works pretty well
12:54 Megaf ok, im installing nginx
12:54 sfan5 Megaf: try this first: http://www.lighttpd.net/2009/2/16/1-​4-21-yes-we-can-do-another-release/
12:54 sfan5 New setting to disable returning of a 417 if “Expect: 100-continue” header is given:   server.reject-expect-100-with-417 = “disable”
12:55 VanessaE there you go, Megaf
12:55 VanessaE told you to look it up first...
12:56 VanessaE and that was in Feb. 2009.....
12:57 Megaf sfan5: oh dear, thanks,
13:00 VanessaE Megaf: ready to try again?
13:00 Megaf nope
13:00 Megaf I was configuring nginx when sfan told me about that
13:00 Megaf Now I will try to make lighttpd work
13:00 VanessaE ok
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13:03 Megaf VanessaE: ok, ready
13:03 VanessaE 08:03:25: INFO[CurlFetchThread]: http://megaf.no-ip.info:8080/media/index.mth not found (HTTP response code said error) (response code 404)
13:03 VanessaE 08:03:25: INFO[main]: Client: Enabling compatibility mode for remote server "http://megaf.no-ip.info:8080/media/"
13:03 VanessaE MUCH BETTER
13:04 VanessaE and no "Failed" notice in the log
13:04 VanessaE means ALL of your files went through cURL
13:04 VanessaE congratulations.
13:08 Megaf Thanks VanessaE, really =)
13:08 VanessaE thank sfan5, he found the cause :)
13:09 VanessaE I just kicked your ass to make you look into it closer :)
13:09 sfan5 no,no,no
13:09 sfan5 I just googled "lighttpd 417"
13:09 Megaf so did I
13:09 Megaf but you found the answer faster than me
13:10 Megaf I actually duckedduckedgoed :P
13:10 pitriss I want to ask.. when in technic mod in textures directory exists also hires directory with hires textures.. are those hires textures loaded? or game doesn't look into texture subdirectories?
13:12 sfan5 pitriss: I don't think it looks into subdirs
13:12 pitriss sfan5: ok, thanks..
13:16 Megaf VanessaE: ok, now nginx is working
13:18 VanessaE well you don't need nginx now that you have lighttpd working....
13:18 VanessaE you duckduckgo'd....or you duckduckwen't? ;)
13:18 VanessaE you duckduckgo'd....or you duckduckwent* ? ;)
13:19 Megaf Let's say that I duckducked, simpler
13:21 Megaf sfan5: so, is that any good reason to have index.mht?
13:21 sfan5 mth*
13:21 sfan5 yes
13:21 sfan5 IIRC it makes downloading faster or something
13:24 Megaf sfan5: whats that $f thing?
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13:24 sfan5 Megaf: a variable
13:25 Megaf ok, I found the read f now
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13:25 Megaf now it makes sense
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13:28 Megaf https://paste.debian.net/79473/
13:29 Megaf done missing, fixed
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13:58 Jordach lol, blender has an automated blocky clouds feature
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14:18 Jordach okay, much better
14:18 Jordach http://i.imgur.com/gFFlDS5.png
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14:21 sfan5 Jordach: http://i.imgur.com/0K3yzrT.jpg
14:21 VanessaE awwwwwwww
14:21 Jordach purrrrrr
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14:30 PilzAdam Hello everyone!
14:30 reactor Elo.
14:30 reactor *sneeze*
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14:36 Jordach mmm, chili heatwave doritos
14:38 PilzAdam mmm, humans
14:46 Exio4 hmm, brains
14:47 Exio4 oh, this is minetest
14:47 Exio4 brb searching brains in other channel
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14:55 * PilzAdam sets the channel track to "Jordach singing in the shower"
14:55 Jordach plol
14:59 reactor шЙТЗСИВ.
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15:14 * sfan5 throws a Toaster at PilzAdam
15:15 * PilzAdam makes some toast
15:16 sfan5 no,no,no you got it all wrong
15:16 PilzAdam no toats?
15:16 PilzAdam *toast
15:18 sfan5 I threw this at you: http://i.imgur.com/hoCnvm7.png
15:22 sfan5 ehhh.. what? http://www.reddit.com/r/TalesFromThePiz​zaGuy/comments/1wldh6/you_could_have_go​tten_away_if_it_wasnt_for_your/cf3dzmv
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15:25 john_minetest Hello everypony
15:25 * sfan5 puts Rainbow Dash on john_minetest's head
15:25 john_minetest Hi reactor
15:26 * PilzAdam gives john_minetest some toast
15:26 john_minetest !rainbow -
15:26 MinetestBot 4-
15:26 john_minetest That is rainbow dash
15:26 * Jordach hands PilzAdam farming:bread
15:26 john_minetest Btw, rainbow dash is the only pony I know.
15:26 * sfan5 puts Derpy on john_minetest's head
15:27 john_minetest I don't even know how derpy looks like,´.
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15:27 john_minetest Some purple with orange but that is how every ponly looks like. Except for rainbow dash.
15:27 sfan5 !c ''.join(chr(ord(c[1]) ^ (int(math.tan(c[0]+3.7582)*10) % 0x13)) for c in zip(xrange(9999), 'mefkVajmlucut+ hif}f'))
15:27 MinetestBot 'john_minetest: hello'
15:28 sfan5 derpy and purple, lol
15:28 sfan5 !g derpy mlp
15:28 MinetestBot sfan5: http://mlp.wikia.com/wiki/Derpy
15:28 PilzAdam Derpy looks kinda derpy
15:28 sfan5 much purple
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15:28 Krock Hi
15:28 john_minetest It is kinda blueish purple
15:31 Jordach hold on
15:31 * Jordach defuses the question
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15:33 Jordach +1 http://imgur.com/gallery/iHnbahA
15:34 PilzAdam s/german/bavarian/
15:34 Jordach http://i.imgur.com/sU6i2GE.png
15:34 Jordach ^ proof for the masses
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15:43 MinetestBot 'john_minetest: hello'
15:43 Jordach why does it still do that?
15:43 Jordach those quotes annoy me
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15:44 sfan5 Jordach: still do that?
15:44 sfan5 MinetestBot uses repr, that's why there are quotes
15:44 Jordach [15:43:38] <MinetestBot> 'john_minetest: hello'
15:44 Jordach those goddamn '<msg>'
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16:12 Megaf_ Am I the only one who finds this quite beautiful? http://paste.debian.net/79487/
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16:27 EvergreenTree o/
16:27 PilzAdam o/
16:29 PenguinDad o\
16:29 EvergreenTree ohai PenguinDad
16:37 john_minetest Megaf: MacBook O_o
16:37 john_minetest You actually spent over 1000€ for a laptop that is a 400€ one with an illuminated apple on its case?
16:38 PilzAdam one apple a day keeps the doctor away
16:38 PilzAdam since you dont have money to pay them anymore
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16:41 john_minetest It would be cheaper to pay the doctor's salary than to buy an apple a day.
16:42 john_minetest And it is hilarious how they make money with everything. Like with that ugly mouse that isn't even usable.
16:42 john_minetest I get one with TWO buttons that looks better and is actually ergonomic for less.
16:42 PilzAdam but has it an apple on it?
16:43 Jordach the only thing apple did right was the fucking iPad
16:43 john_minetest iPad is so expensive.
16:43 * sfan5 tapes an apple to PilzAdam's forehead
16:44 Jordach add a stand, usable keyboard that my fingers can type with
16:44 Kray john_minetest is angry because he doesn't have enough money to buy proper hardware
16:44 sfan5 proper hardware is not neccessarily apple
16:44 john_minetest Jordach: The only microsoft product done right is the microsoft surface. Great keyboard.
16:44 Jordach john_minetest, agreed
16:44 john_minetest Kray: I have got enough money,
16:44 john_minetest But I still don't want to waste it.
16:45 Kray lol poor
16:45 sfan5 john_minetest: you have enough money, will you buy me a 1080p monitor then?
16:45 Jordach i'd buy an Air - buy they're still to expensive
16:45 Jordach (MacBook(
16:45 john_minetest Lol. So wasted.
16:45 Jordach john_minetest, they're excellent content creators
16:45 EvergreenTree Kray, why would you spend 1000USD on a 400USD laptop?
16:45 Jordach especially for rendering video
16:46 EvergreenTree even if you had money
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16:46 Kray why would anyone?
16:46 EvergreenTree Don't say "lol poor" if they are actually being wise with their money
16:47 john_minetest Jordach: The only thing that is good about Macs is, that there are some pretty nice programs for artists aviable.
16:47 john_minetest That don't exist for other platforms.
16:49 sfan5 john_minetest: install mac os x on your computer.
16:50 john_minetest sfan5: Forbidden for most versions.
16:50 sfan5 don't tell me that is in their EULA
16:51 john_minetest It is in their EULA.
16:51 Jordach fuck tha law
16:51 sfan5 because wikipedia says EULA's not agreed upon at the time of buying are not valid in germany
16:51 john_minetest Also I won't put restrictions on my best computer just to get a few programs.
16:51 sfan5 dualboot?
16:51 john_minetest dualboot sux.
16:51 PilzAdam *tux
16:52 sfan5 wut do you wants? quadboot?
16:52 john_minetest sfan5: That thing with EULA agreement on buying is the reason why it is only forbidden for _most_ versions.
16:52 john_minetest They fixed it somehow.
16:52 sfan5 hm
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16:53 sfan5 how about torrenting it from somewhere, you're not agreeing on anything then
16:54 Jordach you know you're having a shit day when: http://i.imgur.com/ePEBbCU.png
16:55 Jordach not even my hat wants to work right :)
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16:59 john_minetest Jordach: You should render on higher settings :)
16:59 Jordach john_minetest, test renders up until the real thing TM
17:00 john_minetest Look at that awesome render I made one year or so ago: http://i.imgur.com/GxmVgWw.png
17:01 john_minetest I think I called him steve. But not sure.
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17:12 EvergreenTree john_minetest, modeling is the hardest part of blender (for me)
17:12 john_minetest I can do box extrusion pretty well.
17:13 john_minetest And using the shaping tools is easy.
17:13 EvergreenTree hm, part of the problem is I don't really know what I want to do
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17:16 john_minetest I also didn't know.
17:17 john_minetest I randomly modeled and then used the shaping tool.
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17:45 Megaf john_minetest: actually I paied more for the build quality
17:45 Megaf a solid block of aluminium
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17:46 Megaf it survived already to quite a lot of drops, even on concrete and a car/bike accident
17:46 Megaf only with minor scraches
17:46 Megaf we we get what we pay for
17:46 Megaf so we*
17:47 Megaf and its from mid 2010
17:47 SmugLeaf hmm?
17:47 Megaf battery still lasts up to 10 hours running Snow Leopard nad 3 hours running GNU/Linux
17:49 SmugLeaf when you make the OS and the hardware you better be able to save every last drop of battery
17:50 Megaf and when new it used to last up to 15 hours (wifi off)
17:51 Megaf and still now a days, in standby lasts for, man, no idea, a month at least
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17:56 Megaf SmugLeaf: actually I think Snow Leopard will be almost as power efficient on a PC as is on a Mac
17:57 Megaf Lion, Mountain Lion and Mavericks doest lasts nearly as long as Snow Leopard
17:58 us_0gb Megaf: On GNU/Linux, what desktop are you using? Maybe the desktop is draining power like crazy.
17:59 mid-kid You also have to look for drivers. The propietary Radeon driver on my laptop drains a lot less than the open source one.
18:00 Megaf mid-kid: yep, the nvidia driver will give be up to an hour of battery over nouveau
18:00 Megaf on my macbook pro
18:01 us_0gb Hmm. Yeah, there could be that. I'm told the machine I'm getting only gets one to two or three hours of battery life with its default setup (GNU/Linux/GNOME/free drivers/free firmware).
18:01 Megaf us_0gb: my desktop is an Asus motherboard with an AMD Phenom II x4 955 BE (3,2Ghz) but mosto f the time is at 800 MHz
18:01 Megaf and open source radeon driver
18:01 Megaf ATI HD 4200
18:06 us_0gb Megaf: Sorry, I'm not good with hardware. Is that good or bad?>
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18:09 john_minetest Megaf: You could also buy an old lenovo. It is produced following military standards and a scratch doesn't matter much because it isn't made to be shiny but to be massive.
18:09 john_minetest Unfortunately the new lenovos became wimp laptops.
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18:11 us_0gb Funny you should say that. The laptop I'm waiting for in the mail is an old Lenovo x60. <http://shop.gluglug.org.uk/product​/ibm-lenovo-thinkpad-x60-coreboot/>
18:12 mid-kid Coreboot FTW. Just saying.
18:13 us_0gb It's too bad it's supported by so few machines. I'd love to use it on something newer.
18:13 john_minetest Once bought a 2nd hand lenovo. Graphics (onboard) broke :(
18:14 john_minetest But before it broke it was great.
18:14 twoelk old Lenovo as in Thinkpad?
18:14 john_minetest It could fall down, get soaked in coke and dust, nothing could destroy that thing.
18:14 john_minetest Thinkpad T61
18:14 us_0gb Oh, my condolences. 😢
18:14 john_minetest The new Thinkpads are mostly craps.
18:14 us_0gb twoelk: Yeah, it's a Thinkpad.
18:15 john_minetest There are those S series that are cheap but you can't really open the case without problems.
18:15 * twoelk had one of those Thinkpad=indestructable but ugly
18:15 mid-kid Personally, I'm not really fond of old, bulky laptops. Unless they are powerful.
18:16 john_minetest I want that: http://31.media.tumblr.com/efb42740498b1bca4299​a031b0aac46c/tumblr_mrsaizUVXL1qbyxr0o1_400.gif
18:17 mid-kid Screw touch screens. I want it.
18:18 john_minetest I am a fan of heavy, indestructible laptops.
18:18 twoelk indeed working with old hardware isn't much fun but most stuff that is real fun isn't very reliable
18:18 john_minetest They got quality.
18:18 us_0gb john_minetest: Wow, that's trippy.
18:18 john_minetest Not like those "I am shiny and if you touch me there will be ugly fingerprints"-divas.
18:19 john_minetest And if you dare to get ONE scratch in the laptop case... It looks so ugly, you have to buy a new one.
18:20 john_minetest At least normal people would buy a new one. But I am too lazy to choose a new one.
18:20 john_minetest So I simply let the scratch number grow and say that it is "brushed aluminium effect"
18:22 twoelk The old Thinkpads were pretty robust (I abused them in many ways), I'm not sure with the new Lenovos and wonder what happens after the Motorola deal
18:22 us_0gb I've actually got a large scratch across my monitor. THat's not why I'm getting a new one though. I'm just tired of graphical bugs caused by firmware issues.
18:23 mid-kid Meh, I just get the cheapest with the best specs I can find. Usually it's pretty shiny 'n stuff, and gets many scratches on the case, but as long as I'm careful, it's ok.
18:23 us_0gb I'm told the only firmware issues the x60 has are with the wireless card. And that's been swapped out with something compatible.
18:24 john_minetest I am a bit afraid of second-hand-computers.
18:25 us_0gb I've never owned a new computer. Second-hand is all I know.
18:26 Jordach ^
18:26 us_0gb I was finally going to get a new one, but then that blasted BIOS got in the way. It prevents you from installing unapproved wireless cards on your own machine. So I went with the Coreboot one instead.
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18:27 us_0gb And Coreboot of course means old.
18:27 mid-kid Usually the second-hands I find are too expensive for what they offer. I end up getting a better new one for the same price.
18:28 us_0gb Yeah, sometimes newer machines are less expansive for some reason.
18:28 us_0gb Not in the case of what I was looking at though. I wanted a ThinkPenguin.
18:29 john_minetest Somebody should build cheap, decent laptops.
18:29 mid-kid ^
18:29 john_minetest Some open-soure company.
18:30 john_minetest Like they did with 1LPC
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18:31 john_minetest Just without that strange blinky child stuff.
18:32 john_minetest http://laptop.org/en/laptop/index.shtml
18:32 us_0gb The problem with "open source laptops" is that the parts makers do not cooperate.
18:34 john_minetest There are several open-source devices.
18:34 john_minetest And they all work.
18:34 us_0gb Not fully open source.
18:34 us_0gb Look at the BIOS.
18:35 john_minetest You could simply use a hackberry A10 as the base, put a screen on it and put it in a nice case.
18:35 john_minetest uboot
18:35 john_minetest Nobody ever said it has to be x86 ;)
18:36 us_0gb It'd Okay, you might be onto something then.
18:36 us_0gb -"It'd "
18:36 john_minetest Also intel atom boards or similar could be nice as a base.
18:36 john_minetest The main problem would be the power supply.
18:37 Jordach not really, any kind of DC jack will do
18:38 john_minetest You will have to find a proper accumulator.
18:38 john_minetest I never looked up how such a thing works and what it does.
18:39 Jordach john_minetest, my cheap ass droid tablet has one
18:39 john_minetest Laptop batteries have a lot of contacts. I don't think that those are only for power.
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18:44 john_minetest Anyway it will be difficult enough to find a good monitor for that purpose.
18:51 john_minetest http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9YWvUJOQf8g http://a.de
18:51 john_minetest YOUTUBE!
18:51 john_minetest !title
18:51 MinetestBot john_minetest: A.de: Günstige Preise für Elektronik, Foto, Filme, Musik, Bücher, Games, Spielzeug, Sportartikel [...]
18:51 john_minetest Lol. It actually works,
18:52 john_minetest Ban MinetestBot for spamming german here.
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19:00 EvergreenTree o/
19:03 us_0gb Hey EvergreenTree!
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19:05 ShadowBot ShadowNinja: Error: The command "translate" is available in the Format and 02Google plugins. Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "translate".
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19:06 ShadowBot ShadowNinja: john_minetest : A.de : Online Shopping for Electronics , Photo , Movies , music, books , games, toys, sporting goods [ ... ]
19:06 john_minetest http://www.explodingdog.com/dra​wing/ishouldhavewornahelmet.png
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19:12 sfan5 yay! the new receiver records TV in a computer readable format at 720p
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19:20 grondilu Are you guys interested in "EverQuest Next: landmark" ?   Looks like it's going to be the next big thing in sandbox games.  I'd love to see an FOSS alternative to that.
19:23 us_0gb The site isn't really showing me much. From the looks of it, most of the content is loaded through JavaScript, which is disabled.
19:24 us_0gb But I'm always up for trying a free game, if a free alternative to EverQuest Next: landmark turns up.
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19:26 harrison '`'''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''
19:27 sfan5 ShadowBot!
19:27 sfan5 why doesn't it do anything?
19:27 xnrand been haxed by harrison probably
19:28 specing maybe ShadowBot values ascii art
19:30 john_minetest http://imgur.com/gallery/tv99xmS
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19:31 us_0gb Of course. ShadowBot can't see PNG images. For it to understand a picture, it must be in ASCII. ShadowBot likes being able to see the art.
19:31 grondilu us_0gb: check https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETXtqmOjRm8 for an intro about EVQN:l
19:32 us_0gb grondilu: YouTube doesn't work without JavaScript either.
19:32 grondilu clive?
19:32 sfan5 !title
19:32 MinetestBot sfan5: What is EverQuest Next: Landmark? - YouTube
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19:34 grondilu they are using quite a new engine though, so it's going to be hard to beat with free software.
19:35 harrison great video
19:35 harrison the building tools
19:35 us_0gb I probably couldn't run it anyway. I'm on a laptop.
19:35 us_0gb It's too bad laptops lack the power of desktops.
19:35 harrison you also could never run the voxel raytracer thing i am coding
19:35 grondilu yeah you'd need quite powerful hardware.  And a broadband connection.
19:36 harrison it needs mad cpu
19:37 grondilu they published requirements lately:  https://www.eqnlandmark.com/news/eqn-landmark-​alpha-system-requirements-january-23-2014-eql
19:38 grondilu toughest part is the 10Mbits/sec broadband
19:38 harrison was kicked by ShadowBot: Message flood detected (sorry about that ;-))
19:39 EvergreenTree a little late ShadowBot?
19:39 ShadowNinja sfan5: You kept making me adjust it to a smaller interval until it won't catch that.
19:39 sfan5 ShadowNinja: I did?
19:39 john_minetest AWWWWWWWWW: http://imgur.com/gallery/VLuq6h6
19:40 ShadowNinja Well, maybe not you specifically, but other staff.
19:44 us_0gb It looks GIMPed. I don't think it's real.
19:44 john_minetest everquest: landmarks looks a bit... lame.
19:44 john_minetest Building might be very cool.
19:44 john_minetest But trading and stuff? It is a creative game.
20:01 PilzAdam topic of the day: https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=127996#p127996
20:02 ShadowNinja Hehe.
20:18 Jordach sfan5, i'm surprised you've not attempted to add perlin noise to this https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=8443
20:20 sfan5 are you sure you mean me?
20:20 Jordach mhm
20:20 sfan5 I'm not the person who wants perlin noise for everything
20:20 Jordach sfan5, i can't do better with my shitty method
20:21 sfan5 just compile .cpp to .lua and you're done /s
20:21 Jordach lua doesn't have bitwise ops
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20:21 * Jordach grabs Calinou's skin and goes to render it
20:22 MinetestBot GIT: Sapier at GMX dot net commited to minetest/minetest: Add propper client initialization e258675eab 2014-01-31T09:44:43-08:00 http://git.io/8JcPYA
20:22 * sfan5 puts a 猫 on Jordach
20:22 PilzAdam sfan5, thats racist
20:22 sfan5 ?
20:23 PilzAdam you know exactly what I mean
20:23 sfan5 no I don't
20:23 PilzAdam ok, me neither
20:24 sfan5 *note to self:* PilzAdam thinks it's racist to put the kanji for cat on people
20:24 Jordach hahahahahahahahaha
20:24 PilzAdam I should stop writing something random while being bored...
20:24 Jordach omfg
20:24 Jordach no fuckin way
20:24 Jordach NO FUCKING WAY
20:24 sfan5 ?
20:24 Jordach fuck me that's laughable
20:25 PilzAdam public class Jordach implements Laughable
20:26 Jordach >imports Calinou's MC skin, >http://i.imgur.com/bDVOxu4.png
20:26 sfan5 Jordach: add my skin plz
20:27 Jordach Calinou, replace your face with a trollface then we're good to go :P
20:27 Jordach pfft
20:27 Jordach sfan5, all you're getting is the zombie model (not the super shiny human model)
20:29 sfan5 :-(
20:30 Jordach because one side doesnt work
20:35 Tux[Qyou] <PilzAdam> *tux
20:35 Tux[Qyou] wut
20:35 Tux[Qyou] also PilzAdam ##werewolf
20:35 PilzAdam that one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tux
20:41 ShadowNinja I saw someone playing MC with a big modpack. (FTB)  Even with all of the client side code and textures it was SLOW.  Took about five minutes to start and a minute to connect.  We are far ahead of modded MC speed-wise.  And I bet we do better even without any mods.  :-D
20:43 FreeFull FTB is a huge modpack
20:43 FreeFull So having fast everything really counts
20:44 ShadowNinja How long does MC take to start and connect unmodded?
20:45 ShadowNinja Both are <1s in Minetest.
20:49 Jordach ShadowNinja, but playing the actual game, FTB is faster than Minetest
20:52 sfan5 Jordach: I have found a good portable computer for you: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BfVgYPACYAAZ5Zs.jpg
20:53 john_minetest If you want something faster than minetest, use minetset-classic.
20:53 john_minetest It is moddable.
20:53 john_minetest Like minecraft.
20:53 Jordach sfan5, the PI works
20:53 sfan5 yo haz a pi?
20:54 Jordach will be getting another one
20:54 Jordach dammit, rendered sfan5 in shadeless mode
20:55 john_minetest why do you need a PI?
20:56 john_minetest It is slow.
20:56 Jordach john_minetest, PIVISR
20:56 Jordach think VR + Google Glass
20:56 ShadowNinja Jordach: Yes, client-side Lua should fix that.  What are MC's times?
20:56 john_minetest why not webcams+hackberry A10 + oculus rift?
20:57 Jordach john_minetest, oculus rift isnt transparent on the other side
20:57 Jordach i want to use the damn thing while out and about
20:57 * sfan5 throws http://www.hardkernel.com/main/produc​ts/prdt_info.php?g_code=G138733896281 at Jordach
20:57 john_minetest Jordach: WEBCAMS
20:58 john_minetest you just film outside.
20:58 Jordach john_minetest, oculus rift isn't ready for use
20:58 john_minetest It is pretty ready yet.
20:58 john_minetest And they got another 16 million dollars support now.
20:58 Jordach and they're huge, compared to 87% transparent plexiglass
20:58 Jordach which can be several MM thick
20:58 john_minetest But they can do best VR ever
20:59 john_minetest A raspberry can't show a proper 3d thing floating in front of you.
21:00 Jordach john_minetest, i only plan to have a ghostly interface (actual VR would need more oomph)
21:00 Jordach think Iron Man style HUD
21:00 Jordach sfan5, dat heatsink tho
21:01 Jordach i could always add vents on the back
21:03 sfan5 Jordach: but heatsinks are quiet
21:03 Jordach sfan5, hot metal near skin
21:04 sfan5 Jordach, proper packaging
21:05 Jordach sfan5, i could always add a copper pipe to act as a head warmer
21:05 sfan5 exactly
21:05 sfan5 would be perfect for this kind of wheather
21:05 Jordach but then i have to reconfigure my CAD design a bit
21:05 ShadowNinja Jordach: *ahem* ^
21:06 Jordach ShadowNinja, dafuq
21:06 john_minetest Jordach: Google glass only has one screen, right?
21:06 Jordach john_minetest, this thing covers the entire face
21:06 Jordach think riot helmet that displays data realtime
21:07 john_minetest Lol, then it is not google glass.
21:07 john_minetest or what do you mean?
21:07 Jordach john_minetest, i meant the idea of google glass; easily accessible data
21:07 Jordach without having to use a tablet or phone
21:07 john_minetest oculus+ 2 cams + computer = epic VR helmet
21:08 ShadowNinja Jordach: What are MC's times?
21:08 Jordach so then i could check RSS feeds (eg, BBC news, weather) and listen to music, watch a film and browse comics without resorting to my tablet
21:08 Jordach ShadowNinja, ~1 minute for tekkit, ~10+ minutes for VanessaE's survival server
21:09 ShadowNinja Jordach: No, what are MC's unmodded startup and connection times?
21:10 Jordach ShadowNinja, ~13 seconds on a Pentium 4
21:10 Jordach ~5 seconds for a multiplayer server
21:10 Jordach (startup / loading multiplayer server)
21:10 sfan5 pfff.. what are they saying: http://i.imgur.com/89kRn13.png all wrong! </offtopic>
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21:11 ShadowNinja What about singleplayer?
21:11 Jordach ShadowNinja, ~15 seconds due to hard drive
21:11 Jordach might be instant in an SSD
21:11 ShadowNinja What is it loading that takes 15 seconds?
21:12 Jordach chunks and mobs
21:12 Jordach and active redstone machiners
21:12 Jordach machinery*
21:13 Jordach but that WILL BE MULTIPLIED on a more modern 64 Bit syste,
21:14 Jordach ShadowNinja, try the minecraft demo
21:15 Jordach MC also has block prediction (i've never had blocks rubber band)
21:16 ShadowNinja Minetest has node placement prediction (nodePlacementPrediction(), game.cpp)
21:16 Jordach ShadowNinja, i can build at ~12 blocks a second and no blocks go missing unlike minetest
21:17 Jordach because minetest slows down block build updates
21:17 ShadowNinja Redstone is part of chunks, those should only take a few miliseconds to load even on the slowest hard drives.
21:17 ShadowNinja ~12/sec?  How do you place that fast?
21:18 Jordach ShadowNinja, on some FPS games, i can drain a pistol's magazine in a half a second
21:18 ShadowNinja And I only get missing nodes on slower servers.
21:18 Jordach my fingers are accustomed to speed clicking
21:18 ShadowNinja Heh.
21:18 Jordach i also position them strangely; i place two fingers on LMB and ARC my middle for RMB
21:19 Jordach (never use the middle part of the finger to click, make an "n" shape and use the tip
21:23 Jordach oh, and use the literal top of the mouse button / key
21:23 blaise someone highlighted me some time ago and I cannot find it in the buffer
21:23 sfan5 blaise: /usr/bin/grep
21:23 blaise I tried it
21:23 Jordach blaise, http://irc.minetest.ru
21:23 blaise lmao
21:23 sfan5 Jordach: up for a game Xonotic/RedEclipse/whatever?
21:23 Jordach sfan5, working blender still
21:24 * sfan5 goes play OpenSpades
21:25 ShadowNinja blaise: Nothing in my logs for the past two or three days.
21:26 blaise hrmm
21:26 blaise I couldn't find it
21:26 blaise oh well
21:26 blaise I'm sure if it was important they'll private message me or something
21:27 Jordach blaise, or use memoserv
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21:31 john_minetest I still laugh about how in my english book for engineers "MS Office" and "Visual Basic" are listed as IT skills :D
21:32 sfan5 visual basic
21:32 sfan5 lol
21:32 Jordach technically correct
21:32 john_minetest "I can open word documents and use a programming language that has been in like 90 years ago"
21:32 john_minetest Wow. Take that guy.
21:33 FreeFull I don't know Visual Basic
21:34 john_minetest Write that on your application form and you got a plus point.
21:35 john_minetest Like "Oh, that guy has good taste at least".
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21:37 * sfan5 knows how to use Visual Basic
21:46 Jordach http://youtu.be/H1UuaadB1W4?t=1m53s
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21:57 PilzAdam Jordach, do you want it to be released to the public?
21:57 Jordach mm?!
21:57 PilzAdam the .blend file, see the video you linked
21:58 Jordach PilzAdam, later
21:58 Jordach there is a prototype G6 model floating around with a public link
22:03 Jordach Calinou, SNAP!
22:03 Jordach http://i.imgur.com/vTNp7yT.png
22:03 ShadowNinja Calinou: Um, http://dev.minetest.net/index.php?title=TODO​&amp;curid=365&amp;diff=1717&amp;oldid=1640
22:05 Jordach * Make gold not look like American cheese <- lol'd
22:07 * Jordach has that sense that Calinou is watching clop
22:09 Jordach rendering preliminary 1080p render
22:09 Jordach s/render/wallpape
22:09 Jordach r*
22:11 ShadowNinja Calinou: My MoreBlocks rewrite should be ready now.  But you should look over it.  And BTW, my patch is bigger than the entire mod (after the patch, I think it's bigger than the mod before the patch too).
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22:34 john_minetest wtf did I just watch: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UW1toLy_FMQ
22:38 PilzAdam john_minetest, brave american soldiers fighting the terrorism on the world
22:41 john_minetest Yeah. They are dancing to distract the terrorists.
22:41 john_minetest And then "BOOM"
22:41 sfan5 wtf am I reading: http://i.imgur.com/KtqlGVi.png
22:43 john_minetest I sometimes wonder how americans can still agree to attack oil-rich countries for the oil and explain it with "weapons of mass destruction" or "They killed people"
22:43 john_minetest America, of course, doesn't have any weapons of mass destruction and no american ever killed anybody...
22:43 VanessaE "americans" don't.
22:43 VanessaE the american GOVERNMENT does.
22:44 VanessaE and we have little control over it anymore, it's bought and aid for by the big corps :-/
22:44 PilzAdam VanessaE, the government represents the americans, though
22:44 VanessaE PilzAdam: nope.avi
22:44 john_minetest Well, assad is also the gouvernment
22:44 john_minetest Or hitler.
22:44 john_minetest Hitler was even elected.
22:44 ShadowNinja ^ Otherwise you're commiting the falacy of hypostatization.
22:45 sfan5 john_minetest: but Hitler used (kinda) unfair methods to get more power
22:46 john_minetest Lol, and american presidents don't?
22:46 sfan5 not as far as I know
22:46 john_minetest Well, not more power in america but more power everywhere else.
22:46 sfan5 anyway, good night
22:46 john_minetest Anyway.
22:46 john_minetest gtg, too.
22:46 john_minetest cya
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22:47 PilzAdam bye
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23:12 Jordach oOChainLynxOo, you should have a tab at the top with my name on, click it
23:17 blaise lolzomfg
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23:30 Jordach hey EvergreenTree
23:30 EvergreenTree hello
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23:33 EvergreenTree Ohai oOChainLynxOo
23:33 oOChainLynxOo Hi EvergreenTree
23:34 oOChainLynxOo Jordach has talked me into doing a threeway survival Minecraft with me, you, and him
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23:35 Jordach with multiple PoV
23:36 Jordach EvergreenTree, wallpaper scene is done, rendering it now :)
23:37 Jordach right, oOChainLynxOo you're GMT-8 right
23:38 Jordach i know EvergreenTree is -7
23:38 EvergreenTree -7?
23:38 oOChainLynxOo Eastern yes
23:38 EvergreenTree oh yes, 7pm
23:39 EvergreenTree Jordach, it must be really late where you live
23:39 Jordach now that i have a sense of time, i can prepare my own timetable up so we don't have conflicts
23:40 EvergreenTree Jordach, Nice!
23:40 Jordach that's why i need timezone data
23:41 oOChainLynxOo I remember on the forum after I posted the Mese shirt pic people started saying that I looked like Jordach
23:41 oOChainLynxOo We both disagree
23:41 Jordach oOChainLynxOo, it's worse, in real life, me and Calinou both have the identical appearance
23:41 oOChainLynxOo O.o
23:41 Jordach beard, green eyes, curly hair
23:43 oOChainLynxOo Lol
23:43 Jordach bleh, this cough will be the end of me
23:44 Jordach and yes, i've once swallowed a battery :>
23:44 oOChainLynxOo O.O
23:44 Jordach i did get guitar hero out of it (and promptly mastered it)
23:44 Jordach not to mention eating ice cream and soft foods for 4 weeks
23:45 oOChainLynxOo Ice cream...
23:45 oOChainLynxOo Bleh, Guitar Hero
23:45 oOChainLynxOo If you are a real guitarist then Guitar Hero will be boring
23:45 Jordach oOChainLynxOo, they've tried beating me with DLC songs that are hard as nails
23:45 Jordach i still beat them everytime
23:45 oOChainLynxOo Lol
23:47 Jordach at my college, we had a smash bros tournament, i won it by 1 point
23:47 Jordach my nintendo nerd of a teacher was second :P
23:47 oOChainLynxOo Lol
23:47 Jordach EvergreenTree, prepare to render me it (i've found two bugs now)
23:48 Jordach i was trolling as Captain Falcon, they wised up to my tactics; i played as mario on the last round
23:48 oOChainLynxOo Haha!
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23:49 Jordach lol wrong button
23:49 oOChainLynxOo xD
23:52 Jordach anyways, it's 23:51 here, i'm out for the night
23:52 oOChainLynxOo Ok then good night Jordach
23:52 Jordach EvergreenTree, be the renderman :P
23:52 Jordach new mob idea get
23:52 oOChainLynxOo Lol
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