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00:00 JackGruff from what i read, it shouldn't be doing that
00:00 JackGruff u need to specify -filter for it to do that
00:00 JackGruff i may be wrong
00:00 JackGruff wait, jojoa1997, it could be your image viewer that is filtering
00:01 JackGruff try using the texture in minetest to confirm
00:01 jojoa1997 i did
00:01 JackGruff and it's blurry compared to the others?
00:01 jojoa1997 yep
00:04 JackGruff try adding "-filter point" (without the quotes, of course)
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00:09 VanessaE hi
00:09 VanessaE did I miss anything interesting? :)
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00:09 VanessaE Mossmanikin: use Sync/Lanczos for scaling.
00:09 Dakota is there a pocket edition of minetest
00:10 VanessaE never use nearest-neighbor unless you need it.
00:10 VanessaE Dakota: no.
00:10 Nocte VanessaE, how much does the HD textures make the game lag? :p
00:10 Dakota ok thanks
00:10 VanessaE Nocte: they cause a significant amount of lag in mesh generation of course, but FPS doesn't seem to vary much between sizes
00:10 VanessaE sime people report that my 64px pack performs better than the game default 16px textures.
00:10 VanessaE s
00:11 Nocte Haha...
00:11 Nocte Weird.
00:11 VanessaE I can't use the 512px size because I don't have enough RAM - it needs somewhere north of 12 GB to run smoothly.
00:11 VanessaE when using my server that is.
00:11 Nocte Whoa, that's a lot of RAM needed.
00:11 Mossmanikin @VanessaE: thanks but  but use another prog ;)
00:11 VanessaE the 256px size uses 4GB on my server.
00:11 VanessaE Mossmanikin: I use The GIMP.
00:12 VanessaE that uses Sync/Lanczos for scaling.
00:12 Evergreen GIMP is awesome
00:12 VanessaE Sync/Lanczos is an algorithm, not a program
00:12 Mossmanikin I use paint.net most of the time
00:12 Evergreen Aseprite is better for pixel art, though you can easily use gimp to do pixel art as well
00:12 VanessaE Nocte: most of the RAM usage comes from the brain-dead texture extrude code.
00:13 VanessaE there's no way to disable texture extruding, so really large or highly-detailed images take tons and tons of RAM for the 3d models generated during that step.
00:13 VanessaE Mossmanikin: did you want to borrow some of HDX's textures for Undergrowth or something?  feel free.
00:14 Mossmanikin @VanessaE: didn't think about higher resolutions yet, but thanks :)
00:15 JackGruff VanessaE, how has github now cracked down on you for using their service as a media repo?
00:15 JackGruff now -> not
00:15 VanessaE JackGruff: they have not because my largest size of repository on there is only a few hundred megs.  the limit is 1GB.
00:15 VanessaE my largest pack is hosted via git on my own webspace.
00:15 JackGruff hmmm
00:16 VanessaE (because it's a bit over 1.1GB)
00:16 JackGruff i thought the issue would be the majority of files being non-code
00:16 JackGruff not size
00:16 VanessaE they don't complain, so neither do I :)
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00:17 Nocte Hmm.
00:17 JackGruff yeah, im thinking some would use it as a public dropbox but maybe they haven't cottoned on
00:17 VanessaE if they complain, I'll relocate everything over to my web space.
00:17 VanessaE well I use it as a true git repository
00:17 VanessaE push, pull, clone, pull requests, the whole nine yards.
00:17 Nocte I wonder how much money one would need to make a computer that plays Crysis 3 on maxed out. :p
00:17 JackGruff play it on console. there, maxed out :]
00:19 Nocte Just playing with the idea of how much it would cost.
00:19 JackGruff looking up youtube vids
00:19 JackGruff something like "crysis 3 maxed out" should get you what you want
00:20 JackGruff then it's a case of pricing the components
00:20 JackGruff so who here is buying Space Engineers on the 23rd?
00:21 Nocte The graphics look like from a movie. o.o
00:22 Nocte Imagine if some realistic combat FPS simulator had those graphics. :D
00:23 JackGruff bf4 is coming close
00:23 JackGruff to bad they're both crap games :|
00:23 Nocte 'Realistic'.. :p
00:23 Nocte You don't survive from many shots.
00:23 JackGruff arma 3?
00:23 Nocte Kinda yeah.
00:24 Mossmanikin I miss shooters like Wolf3d, Doom I and Quake I... feeling old... :D
00:24 JackGruff so do i, moss
00:24 Nocte I feel old for seeing 'Adventure Started: 2009' in Pokémon Platinum. :(
00:24 JackGruff have you checked out shadow warrior?
00:25 JackGruff by the same devs who did hard reset
00:25 Nocte What consoles is it for?
00:25 JackGruff PC
00:25 Mossmanikin Shadow warrior, not sure if I ever heard of it...
00:25 JackGruff old school shooters on console? pffftt
00:25 Nocte Ah.
00:26 Nocte Doom was on SNES.
00:26 Nocte If I remember right.
00:26 JackGruff yes
00:26 Nocte So there you go. ;)
00:26 JackGruff but they were PC games first
00:26 Nocte Yeah.
00:26 Nocte Still there's a port for the consoles.
00:26 Nocte So it counts.
00:26 JackGruff not like today where everything is multiplat from the beginning
00:27 Nocte Or poorly shit ported version on PC.
00:27 Nocte Like Assassin's Creed games. :|
00:27 JackGruff that's the concern
00:28 Nocte Those basically require a controller to play.
00:28 Mossmanikin Too bad Unreal I for PS was never released...
00:28 Nocte Unreal?
00:28 Mossmanikin Aye
00:28 Nocte You mean UT99 or something?
00:28 JackGruff no he means unreal I
00:28 Mossmanikin Nope, Unreal I
00:28 Nocte Link?
00:29 JackGruff spoogle
00:30 Nocte Ah.
00:30 Mossmanikin was never finished for ps, but pc http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unreal
00:30 Nocte So the original thing?
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00:30 Mossmanikin Yup, but ps version was going to be another episode
00:30 Nocte My dad remembers playing Unreal Tournament 1 and hating one of the older ones for the characters looking too muscular... Haha.
00:30 Nocte Newer*
00:31 Nocte CAN'T TYPE TODAY!!! screw it.
00:32 Nocte Did quickscoping exist back in those days?
00:32 VanessaE don't feel bad.  I can't type, every day.
00:32 Mossmanikin Yeah, athmosphere of the old stuff and possibilities of the new engines  would be nice
00:35 Nocte Any good Xbox360 FPS games that have an actual plot?
00:36 Nocte Other than: "They evil, you hero: Go kill!"
00:36 JackGruff no, it didn't
00:36 Mossmanikin Like that description :D
00:36 JackGruff we aimed from the hips
00:36 Nocte Hehe.
00:37 Nocte Oh also: Did tea bagging exist either? :p
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00:38 JackGruff no
00:38 JackGruff u can thank halo for that
00:38 JackGruff thanks for ruining FPS, bungie
00:38 JackGruff assholes
00:38 JackGruff thinking that bring FPS to console was a good thing
00:39 Nocte Its just funny joking around. No need to get pissed of at it. ;)
00:40 JackGruff eh
00:40 Mossmanikin Gaming is NOT a joke! ... :D
00:41 JackGruff Mossmanikin, you looking forward to the next Wolfenstein?
00:41 * VanessaE looks at her HDX textures for undergrowth and ponders updating them
00:41 VanessaE Mossmanikin: are you guys about done adding nodes/changing textures around? ;)
00:42 Mossmanikin JackGruff: not really, unless they succeed in bringing back the old feeling
00:42 JackGruff Mossmanikin, play the new shadow warrior, thank me later
00:42 JackGruff undergrowth is looking to be an awesome mod
00:42 Sokomine how can mt convert from leveldb to sqlite again? i forgot the exact parameter
00:43 VanessaE --migrate
00:43 Sokomine aah. thanks
00:43 VanessaE I think.
00:43 Mossmanikin @VanessaE: probably not ;P
00:43 VanessaE Mossmanikin: heh. well I've got a bundle of textures here waiting to go back into HDX once you guys settle on filenames et.al
00:44 JackGruff if there's one thing MC has, it's the vast library of texture packs
00:44 * Sokomine looks if calinou is around
00:44 JackGruff and support for them
00:44 * Nocte shoots Jackgruff with a shotgun in the head. Then moves over Jack's body and tea bags it. >:D
00:44 VanessaE Mossmanikin: which reminds me, some filenames are DoneWithInitialCase rather than lowercase_with_underscores, and names that don't match the usual modname_node_name.png formula.  Can you fix that please?
00:44 Sokomine someone asked on the forum for wool-stairs. perhaps calinou could include that in moreblocks
00:44 VanessaE Sokomine: gloopblocks.
00:44 Sokomine sometimes i wish for wool stairs, slabs and tapestries
00:45 Sokomine all the nodes or just stairs?
00:45 VanessaE all the stairsplus nodes.
00:45 VanessaE every wool color
00:45 Sokomine ah. fine :-)
00:45 VanessaE castles mod has "tapestries".
00:46 Sokomine next time i'm on your server i'll put a wool block in the saw :-)
00:46 VanessaE go for it :)
00:46 Nocte Lol, people rage too much for tea bagging. I once shot a guy and then tea bagged. Later "STOP TEA BAGGING YOU NOOB." Haha, I don't get why people rage at it. :p
00:47 Nocte I wouldn't mind. It would just be more humorous.
00:47 Mossmanikin @VanessaE: aye, can't promise that much, since I'm only one of three people working on it, but naming conventions shouldn't be a problem
00:48 Sokomine what does "tea bagging" means? i'd put a tea bag into a can with hot water to get tea. but it obviously means something else here?
00:48 VanessaE Nocte: wtf is "teabagging" anyway?
00:48 JackGruff hahahahaha
00:49 JackGruff it's when you kill someone in a game, then stand over the corpse and crouch up and down
00:49 Sokomine why would you do that?
00:49 JackGruff it's an immature thing done by 14 year olds
00:49 Sokomine ah
00:49 JackGruff and men who are stuck being 14
00:49 Nocte Sokomine, to humiliate your enemies!
00:49 JackGruff like Nocte
00:49 Nocte And hear the lamentations of your enemies.
00:49 Nocte >:D
00:49 Sokomine oh. thought it might be guarding their equipment until they come back and pick it up
00:50 JackGruff how did you arrived at that?
00:50 Mossmanikin I think it's funny when playing with the right people :D
00:50 Nocte Yeah.
00:50 Nocte I got seriously no problem with it.
00:50 JackGruff do you two laugh at fart jokes?
00:50 Mossmanikin Sometimes
00:51 JackGruff OH THE CORRELATION
00:51 Nocte Why not? You gotta laugh from time to time.
00:51 Sokomine er, sorry, not the right age
00:51 JackGruff the x and the y's just line right up!
00:51 Nocte And if there's nothing else funny around. Why not.
00:51 Sokomine yes. but nothing too lame :-) that doesn't work as a joke
00:51 Mossmanikin aye
00:51 VanessaE Mossmanikin: hurry!! being unable to re-activate my Undergrowth textures is driving me nuts :)
00:52 VanessaE short drive, I admit)
00:52 Sokomine ah. working on that undergrowth. fine. i'm really curious how that will turn out
00:52 Nocte Mossaminikin, what FPS games do you play with online mode? :p
00:52 VanessaE Sokomine: in a word?  BEAUTIFUL.
00:52 Sokomine although i didn't participate in the thread, i think it will make the mt world much nicer
00:52 Nocte I could challenge you in the noobdom.
00:52 Sokomine then get on with it :-)))
00:53 Mossmanikin @VanessaE: I'll most likely fix it within the next 24 hours ;)
00:53 Sokomine for now, i'll have to do a more thorough search of older versions of mods to get redcrabs world running locally. the changed cobble- and sand-textures make it look strange
00:54 Mossmanikin Nocte: Xonotic, UT99, Unreal I
00:55 Nocte UT99 Hehe...
00:55 Nocte I think there's Game of the Year edition of that in GOG.
00:56 Mossmanikin Got one of the Unreal Anthology versions, GOTY is included
00:56 Nocte Hmm.. So can you play in internet with UT99? :p
00:56 Sokomine hm, to make a game use mods from its own folder - where do i put them?
00:57 Nocte on*
00:57 Nocte Like: Not only LAN but with around the world?
00:57 Mossmanikin Well... I sure as hell know how to die and got enough frags ;)
00:59 Mossmanikin LAN's been a while, Internet not that long ago
00:59 Nocte Lol, my computer could actually run that game. ;)
00:59 Nocte It crashes with newer stuff. :(
01:00 JackGruff is mapgen using basic perlin noise?
01:00 Mossmanikin Newer stuff doesn't have a "soul" in a lot of cases anyway
01:01 JackGruff i think it would cool if we had rivers. not flat rivers but rivers that run from the top of the mountains to the sea.
01:01 Nocte Have you played SWAT 4? :p
01:01 Nocte Jack...
01:01 JackGruff i think it could be doable
01:01 Nocte I was saying that too. :|
01:01 JackGruff what? when?
01:02 JackGruff was it after i connected?
01:02 Nocte http://spoonyexperiment.com​/category/lets-play/swat-4/  (Sometime later @rivers) Mossmanikin.
01:02 JackGruff mkay
01:02 JackGruff i think all the game has to do is identify a mountain
01:02 VanessaE brb
01:02 JackGruff the plot a course downhill
01:03 JackGruff then place intermediate water source nodes
01:03 JackGruff these will spill their water and should form a continuous downhill stream
01:03 JackGruff this is with infinite water, btw
01:04 JackGruff with finite water, we would have to think of something else
01:04 proller same
01:04 proller but use springs
01:04 JackGruff yes, the water at the top of the mountains could be special
01:04 Nocte We would also need snow. :|
01:05 Nocte And no water runs up!
01:05 Nocte ;)
01:05 proller Nocte, snow already here - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7033
01:05 JackGruff the thing is, the same map needs to work with and without finite water or a decision needs to be made about which to keep
01:05 JackGruff and i dont think anyone want finite now in its current state
01:05 JackGruff i'll make a river by hand down a mountain to see
01:06 proller many peoples use finite
01:06 Nocte Oh also:
01:06 proller and current state is good
01:06 JackGruff yeah but finite has issues looking nice going down sharp downhills
01:06 Nocte The Waters should have their own deeper spot in the ground blocks.
01:06 jojoa1997 kinda sad when you search for mesecons it is one of the last items of 6 pages
01:06 JackGruff i once tried making a waterfall secret entrance
01:06 Nocte Hey mossmanikin, you there? :p
01:07 JackGruff but what happens is that water instantly shoots down when going straight vertical
01:07 proller Nocte, indev mapgen have lot of water springs underground
01:07 Mossmanikin Nocte: swat 4 looks like a nice game, but prefer scifi/fantasy-shooters
01:07 JackGruff so all i saw was the bottom pool rising while the top lowered, with nothing connected them visually
01:08 JackGruff connecting*
01:08 Nocte Go watch the let's play.
01:08 Nocte Spoony failing in a game is fun to watch.
01:08 JackGruff yes, especially during a stream
01:09 proller JackGruff, and 'looking nice' - its not stopper to use finite
01:09 Nocte Mossmanikin: I think I'm the opposite, I kinda dislike Sci-Fi stuff. Hehe...
01:10 Nocte Unless its near-future in Cyberpunk style setting or something like that.
01:10 Menche is there another nodename for a finite water spring?
01:10 proller no
01:11 proller spring with param2=128
01:11 proller ups, source
01:11 JackGruff well
01:11 JackGruff i have hope for the future
01:11 proller or https://gist.github.com/proller/4987328
01:11 JackGruff the game is advancing fast, actually
01:12 JackGruff far faster than MC did
01:12 Mossmanikin Nocte: Prefer fantasy stuff 'couse have RL enough ;D
01:12 Nocte Usually Sci-Fi stuff does not have interesting plots. Haha.
01:12 Nocte I guess modern times is boring unless you use it for horror. Haha.
01:14 JackGruff with fantasy the writer gets away with more liberal writing
01:14 JackGruff no magic in sci-fi
01:14 Nocte Star Wars?
01:14 Nocte ;)
01:14 JackGruff with fantasy, there's a lot you dont have to explain
01:14 Nocte Psionics = Magic.
01:14 JackGruff cuz, it's like, magic, mang
01:15 Nocte "WIZARD DID IT! Now shut up."
01:15 JackGruff yeah, and that's just soft sci-fi
01:15 Mossmanikin :D
01:15 Nocte I guess I would be bored with hard Sci-Fi becuase of the lectures.
01:15 JackGruff and thanks for reminding of the xcom enemy unknown which then reminded me of its terrible ending
01:16 Nocte "BETRAYAL!"
01:16 Nocte "BEEETRAYAL!"
01:16 Nocte Spoony to Xcom. ;)
01:16 Mossmanikin Gotta try the never released xcom alliance...
01:17 Nocte http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nF_Ca45JRFs <- hehe.
01:17 Nocte That was later used in Metal style song for 'Ultima IX' review. Haha.
01:18 Nocte http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QeaGJRV-whU <-
01:18 Evergreen !titlw
01:18 Evergreen !title
01:18 MinetestBot Evergreen: Spoony - Betrayal Song (Ultima Version) - YouTube
01:18 Nocte Hehe.
01:19 Nocte The review's gag was basically: How high does the 'Betrayal' counter go? :p
01:19 Evergreen Gotta go, see you guys later
01:19 Nocte Later.
01:19 JackGruff u guys play Kerbal Space Program?
01:20 Nocte http://spoonyexperiment.com/2012/08/​11/ultima-9-ascension-finale-uncut/ <- this is the video of Ultima IX review.
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01:20 Nocte But you would have to watch the whole reviews.
01:20 Nocte No wait.
01:20 Nocte http://spoonyexperiment.com/2​012/05/29/ultima-9-ascension/ <- THIS. :|
01:21 Nocte !title
01:21 Mossmanikin Betrayal - Or a summary of games promised to the people
01:21 MinetestBot Nocte: The Spoony Experiment - Because bad movies and games deserve to be hurt back!
01:22 Nocte Mossmanikin, basically they screwed the lore of Ultima series and ruined the series forever.
01:22 Mossmanikin Yeah, they do that with all kinds of movies and games
01:23 Nocte And guess who screwed the game? EA.
01:24 Mossmanikin Best example (IMO): Terminator 3 & Doom 3
01:24 JackGruff they screw up Doom 4 like they did Rage and I... i don't know what i'll do
01:25 JackGruff cause Rage was a massive disappointment
01:26 Nocte Haha.
01:26 Mossmanikin Loved the idea of Spore, but EA managed to screw it
01:27 Nocte Yeah. :p
01:27 Nocte I wish there was some epic game that was based around weapon fighting in Action RPG style.
01:28 Mossmanikin That was the original idea of Unreal AFAIK
01:28 JackGruff dont bring that up, man
01:28 JackGruff what they did to will wright's vision makes my blood boil
01:28 Nocte Weapon fighting: Melee weapons that is.
01:28 JackGruff we were going to have so many more stages and realism
01:29 JackGruff but they hacked it down and made it more cartoonish
01:29 Nocte From an old game like that? Oh please.
01:29 JackGruff I hope they win the golden poo award again
01:29 JackGruff assholes
01:29 JackGruff may they die agonising deaths
01:29 Mossmanikin Yeah, 'd love to see see science spore...
01:29 Nocte Hmm: Do you guys know what are some good PS1 games? :p
01:29 jojoa1997 how do i login to github via git command line
01:30 jojoa1997 in linux terminal
01:30 Menche log in?
01:30 jojoa1997 like set the username
01:30 jojoa1997 and email and password
01:30 Mossmanikin I love "Nightmare Creatures" for ps 1
01:30 Menche you can do that from the command line?
01:31 Nocte Is there EU PAL version of that game? :p
01:32 Nocte Whoa, that game's plot.
01:32 Menche pushing to github via the command line involves generating a public/private key pair
01:32 Nocte Not clichéd at all. ;)
01:32 Nocte Mad scientist? What theories are you testing, why are doing this? :p
01:33 Mossmanikin I love clichés
01:33 JackGruff Nocte, http://vsrecommendedgames.​wikia.com/wiki/Playstation
01:38 Nocte Azure Dreams seems cool.
01:41 Nocte I would also like those that are physically available and not that hard to find. @PS1 games.
01:42 JackGruff uh
01:42 JackGruff good luck
01:43 Nocte As in: Don't cost dozens of euros. :|
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01:46 zat Someone remember about the 33 miners?
01:47 Nocte Whut u talking 'bout? :p /joke,
01:47 Nocte .*
01:47 zat kik
01:47 Nocte Seriously, who?
01:47 zat I had forgotten of this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2P_dj0APcY
01:49 Mossmanikin Don't understand most of it
01:53 Mossmanikin Most importantly: don't know the context
01:54 Nocte Hmm guys: If Team Rocket was based of Mafia what were the other teams based of? :p
01:58 JackGruff i thought there was only rocket
01:59 * VanessaE is back.
01:59 Nocte Rocket, Magma, Aqua, Galactic, Plasma...
02:00 Nocte I don't know what the organization is in X & Y.
02:00 Mossmanikin Wb Vanessa
02:08 zat Mossmanikin: that video was edited to make the president sound super gay
02:09 Mossmanikin Ah, k, didn't sound gay to me
02:13 JackGruff um
02:13 JackGruff are saplings suppose to randomly drop from trees without doing anythin?
02:15 Mossmanikin Uhm, guess so, what should they do in your opinion?
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02:16 JackGruff no, i mean are they suppose to drop without you having touched the tree
02:18 Mossmanikin Sometimes they appear because during generation some of the leave nodes get overwritten...
02:18 zsoltisawesome Lol soon TM XD
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02:19 VanessaE when leaves naturally decay, they sometimes drop saplings
02:19 VanessaE so yeah
02:20 JackGruff i meant without decay
02:21 JackGruff as in they just drop them
02:21 JackGruff appear under the leave node and fall
02:21 VanessaE weird
02:21 Mossmanikin Strange...
02:21 JackGruff does undergrowth add it? because i may be hallucinating
02:22 JackGruff unless i put a block in the same node without seeing the moss and it detached....
02:22 JackGruff :/
02:23 Mossmanikin Only know I saw some parts of trees dissappear and saplings drop during generation several times...
02:25 Mossmanikin Don't think it has something to do with undergrowth or plantlife
02:25 JackGruff actually this gives me an idea
02:26 JackGruff when mobs finally make it into the core game..
02:26 JackGruff we should have an extremely rare one to mimic the herobrine thing
02:26 JackGruff nah, nevermind, that would be dumb
02:27 VanessaE it's a mapgen bug
02:27 VanessaE caves get generated after everything else
02:29 Mossmanikin Looks weird: floating trees
02:30 JackGruff im off to bed, guys. enjoy your day.
02:30 Mossmanikin But wouldn't want to play a game without bugs ;)
02:31 Mossmanikin Good night
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02:38 stormchaser3000 hi
02:39 stormchaser3000 dark are you onj
02:39 stormchaser3000 i think i was banned from your server
02:39 stormchaser3000 or did it restart
02:40 Mossmanikin Looks like dark isn't on
02:40 stormchaser3000 :(
02:40 stormchaser3000 i can't get the server lidt o come up
02:41 stormchaser3000 list to*
02:41 stormchaser3000 and i cannot connect to any servers
02:43 cy1 Welp, got chests that announce when they're full finally.
02:43 Mossmanikin Hm, I'm no expert on this, but sounds like it's client side
02:43 stormchaser3000 yeah i just found that out
02:44 stormchaser3000 i am now connecting
02:44 cy1 Just need Jeija and VanessaW to approve the changes to their mods and it should work...ish.
02:44 VanessaE what changes?
02:44 cy1 Still no crafting recipe... not sure if override default:chest or not
02:44 cy1 VanessaE: I was working on pipeworks today. made the autoplace code a lot faster.
02:44 VanessaE (I can approve changes to mesecons also, though I tend not to)
02:44 cy1 At least, afaict
02:45 cy1 It's a change to digilines, adding a new item called a digiline chest.
02:45 VanessaE oh yes
02:45 VanessaE well that's for the digilines mod, which I don't (think I) have write access to.
02:46 cy1 Yeah, no worries. Digilines is the best way I could think to do it though. It's either that or send morse code down mesecons.
02:46 VanessaE morse code?  no... think like a geek:  bit-banged I²C ;)
02:47 cy1 I'm olde schoole that way :p
02:50 Mossmanikin @VanessaE: just had the idea: would you like to have the right to change undergrowth stuff?
02:50 VanessaE no, that's okay
02:51 VanessaE I'm content to bounce my ideas off others
02:52 Mossmanikin allright, just thought you might wanna change a few small things, like naming conventions
02:57 Mossmanikin K, folks, my pillow seems to miss me, bye, later
02:57 cy1 Mossmanikin: are you responsible for the gorgeous mushrooms appearing in VanessaE's server >:((((
02:57 VanessaE no
02:58 VanessaE That's Dan's mod doing that
02:58 VanessaE bye Mossmanikin
02:58 cy1 Oh, 'k
02:58 cy1 It's pretty good actually
03:08 VanessaE cy, is your pipeworks code ready to merge?
03:12 cy1 Should be, VanessaE.
03:12 VanessaE ok
03:12 VanessaE would you mind squashing those commits?
03:12 cy1 squashing?
03:12 cy1 man, sonic screwdriver is so worthless
03:12 VanessaE git rebase -i HEAD~3 or so
03:12 cy1 wait wait, rebase? Why?
03:13 VanessaE that's how you combine multiple commits into one
03:14 cy1 They're fine as individual commits. I was careful to isolate different things I was doing into each commit.
03:14 cy1 Unless it would cause conflicts somehow...?
03:14 VanessaE It would cause confusion on my part :)\
03:17 cy1 I suppose since they're just fixes I could give it a shot.
03:17 stormchaser3000 hey vanessa can you do windows build
03:17 stormchaser3000 builds
03:17 VanessaE stormchaser3000: nope.
03:17 stormchaser3000 :(
03:17 VanessaE I don't touch windows at all
03:17 cy1 sorry stormchaser3000 me neither :(
03:18 stormchaser3000 i am trying to compile minetest-classic
03:18 stormchaser3000 but cmake is failing me
03:18 stormchaser3000 so is mingw
03:21 cy1 Sorry VanessaE, rebase doesn't seem to work right.
03:21 VanessaE it's okay, I'll do it.
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03:22 cy1 git rebase -i 1233be126dcbc200b26040ede32c551be1b7d15c
03:22 cy1 -> 14 picks none of which are 1233be and only the last one is mine
03:23 stormchaser3000 who wants to log into redcrab.suret.net port 30031 minetest 0.3.1
03:23 VanessaE I'll fix it, np worries.
03:24 stormchaser3000 and see all of the griefing at spawn
03:24 stormchaser3000 from many years
03:24 cy1 git rebase -i 1233be126dcbc200b26040ede32c551be1b7d15c~1 gives me the right ones... it doesn't include the merge commit though?
03:25 cy1 Are merges automatically squashed?
03:25 cy1 stormchaser3000: I don't have interact there, sorry.
03:25 stormchaser3000 no i mean minetest 0.3.1
03:26 stormchaser3000 you don't need build
03:26 stormchaser3000 not minetest 0.4.4
03:30 VanessaE damn it
03:30 VanessaE that didn't work right.
03:31 stormchaser3000 but=t you will have tto compile minetest 0.3.1 if you odn't already have it compiled
03:33 VanessaE cy1: gimme a sec to fix what I busted.
03:39 VanessaE https://github.com/VanessaE/pipeworks/commi​t/28328d975c55b13ce7d2770f5e5ec643f7ac84ac
03:40 VanessaE you'll want to force-pull
03:40 VanessaE I had to argue with a bit
03:40 VanessaE with it*
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04:35 VanessaE bbl
04:36 okk what the
04:37 stormchaser3000 lol
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04:48 cy1 VanessaE: You did it!
04:49 cy1 ugh, it wants me to merge though :(
04:50 cy1 OK I switched the branch to yours
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06:06 reactor o/
06:10 rotcaer "bleached whale"
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07:46 webdesigner97 hi
07:49 webdesigner97 someone here?
07:50 rotcaer Hmm.
07:51 rotcaer Do I need separate directory pear each server?
07:51 rotcaer Or is having different configs sufficient?
07:51 rotcaer But how do I prevent them from fighting over, say, debug.txt?
07:52 Calinou separate directory I guess
07:52 rotcaer mk
07:59 webdesigner97 why is there no stack param in on_metadata_inventory_move ?
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08:00 webdesigner97 *allow_metadata_inventory_move
08:02 webdesigner97 Because I want to know which item the player is moving in the form
08:06 webdesigner97 nevermind, another question:
08:07 webdesigner97 How does the result of inv:get_stack() look like? It is some kind of userdata, but I don't know how I can continue my work with it
08:08 webdesigner97 ah, inv:get_stack():to_table
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09:12 rotcaer VanessaE: o/
09:12 rotcaer VanessaE: do you run all servers from the same dir?
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09:34 Nocte Hmm...
09:58 rotcaer Is there a way to create pidfiles fot MT?
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11:13 JamesTait Good day all; happy Ada Lovelace Day! :-D
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11:15 RealBadAngel hi all
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11:43 Evergreen Hey everyone!
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12:11 Evergreen Question:   How do I make a debian package for a python program?
12:12 Evergreen With dependencies liket tk, and pygtk
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12:13 Dark_Soul good morning everyone :)
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13:45 rubenwardy Hi all
13:47 rotcaer o/
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14:00 VanessaE rotcaer: each server has its own world folder of course, but they otherwise run from the same home directory/user account.
14:00 rotcaer mk
14:02 rotcaer Well, I've made a script that spawns an arbitrary number of servers: all servers from the directory
14:02 rotcaer but when I invoke it from rc.d, it loses track of them
14:03 rotcaer and if I try killing all child processes from trap, it hangs
14:03 rotcaer lame :(
14:03 VanessaE huh.
14:04 VanessaE well mine launches each server from its own script as wel;l
14:04 VanessaE well*
14:04 VanessaE the two scripts are spawned from rc.local
14:06 rotcaer yep
14:06 rotcaer I'm trying to spawn arbitrary number of servers from rc.d
14:07 rotcaer that would allow for more flexibiilty
14:07 rotcaer as in, killing servers by "service" command
14:07 VanessaE right
14:07 rotcaer and creating/destroying them on the fly
14:07 VanessaE for me it's easier to ps axw|grep minetestserver :)
14:07 rotcaer mk
14:08 rotcaer well, I'm trying to do everything as though I were controlling a big, multiuser machine
14:08 rotcaer that'll reduce kludge rate when I come to using one of these
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14:14 sfan5 what the... http://paulgraham.com/spamhaussbl.html
14:17 VanessaE why does that name seem so familiar...
14:27 proller spring mod (and sponge) included in -next (for liqud_finite)
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14:36 VanessaE spring mod?
14:37 VanessaE proller, -dev.  opinions?
14:37 proller for infinity source with liqud_finite
14:38 VanessaE ah yes
14:49 thexyz sfan5: wow spamhaus sucks! i'm so surprised
14:50 thexyz we just need to use proof-of-work system in emails
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14:50 thexyz yeah, hashcash
14:54 reactor VanessaE: so far I have this
14:55 reactor http://pastebin.com/xECNXJqs
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14:56 reactor it works from the test user's shell, and all instances of minetest terminate as soon as it is terminated
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14:57 reactor when I daemonise it using daemon(8), they don't die
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15:03 reactor Got it.
15:04 reactor added pkill -U $user in the rc script, so that mixbehaving processes are shot.
15:04 reactor s/mix/mis/
15:09 FreeFull A mixbehaving process is pulseaudio?
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15:12 reactor FreeFull: heh
15:13 reactor rather, mismixbehaving
15:13 reactor I still don't see any use for pulseaudio on typical home system. It's either pointless on computers running for science.
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15:14 reactor The former don't usually need remote playback. The latter either don't have sound system at all. If they do, they don't play many sounds.
15:16 FreeFull reactor: pulseaudio makes things not work so I have it uninstalled under all circumstances
15:16 reactor I do.
15:16 reactor I rather go about not installing it in the first place.
15:17 reactor For systems I work with now have built-in sound out of the box.
15:17 reactor So. I'm almost done setting up scalable minetest hosting. Where can I post about the method?
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15:18 reactor (how can GNU devs not be bigots if they do everything to give their OS a bad name)
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15:20 zat like what
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15:22 thexyz reactor: I use pulseaudio, it
15:22 thexyz it's very handy
15:22 reactor handy at what?
15:22 reactor What does it do that OSS doesn't?
15:23 reactor Why need to reinvent the wheel for a millionth time?
15:23 thexyz I've never used OSS
15:23 reactor That's waste of human resources.
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15:23 thexyz it's handy because I can easily control per-app volume
15:23 thexyz and per-app output
15:23 zat reactor: you should really read a comparison between OSS and Pulseaudio
15:23 thexyz and it's simple
15:23 reactor simple?
15:23 thexyz yes, for me it just works
15:23 reactor it's frail
15:24 thexyz dunno
15:24 thexyz just werks
15:24 reactor zat: I've seen it.
15:24 reactor zat: I've used both.
15:24 zat now you need to understand it
15:24 thexyz how can I get OSS?
15:24 reactor But somehow, pulseaudio wouldn't work as well.
15:24 reactor It just wouldn't hack it.
15:24 reactor Not only for me.
15:25 reactor And I don't see anything new it introduces.
15:25 thexyz there are a lot of DEPRECATED messages everywhere near OSS
15:25 reactor Wawnt sound over network? Well, why not use JACK then?
15:25 reactor thexyz: in GNU, yes.
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15:25 reactor Not in UNIX.
15:25 thexyz well, I'm using GNU/Linux here
15:25 thexyz or how should we call it now
15:26 reactor Again, GNU developers do everything to make it all worse.
15:26 reactor Not fixing what is broken and breaking what is known to work well.
15:26 thexyz yeah sure
15:26 VanessaE strange, ALSA seems to work fine for me, pulse on top of that always seems to have some minor problem
15:26 thexyz reactor: does OSS have per app output device?
15:26 reactor Not only GNU suffers from that. Mozilla tards are like that, too.
15:26 reactor Why need it?
15:26 VanessaE pulse fights for control of the mixer settings, in particular
15:27 reactor thexyz: apps could have their built in amplitude controls if they wanted.
15:27 thexyz reactor: I have two video cards, one is wired to my monitor and another one to TV
15:27 thexyz I want XBMC to output sound to second videocard's HDMI
15:27 reactor thexyz: and here, I _can_ play many sounds simultaneously, don't know how.
15:27 thexyz and everything else to built-in analog mobo stereo
15:27 reactor Per-device output? That should be there.
15:28 reactor audio0, audio1, etc.
15:28 thexyz no, no, per-application output device, can I set it?
15:28 reactor VanessaE: exactly
15:28 reactor pulse can not go a single day without problems
15:28 reactor thexyz: yes
15:29 thexyz well, XBMC is sane enough to support it itself
15:29 reactor thexyz: most programs have device selection in their configs
15:29 thexyz that's nice to know
15:29 thexyz so why should I switch if it works fine for me?
15:30 thexyz I mean, are there any obvious benefits?
15:30 reactor You wouldn't, until you ran into problems.
15:30 reactor And there are no benefits in pulseaudio.
15:30 reactor It just is another non-standard kludge.
15:30 reactor s/just is/is just/
15:30 thexyz oh, okay
15:31 thexyz will I run into problems?
15:31 VanessaE why did we stop using ESD again?
15:32 VanessaE what was so wrong with that one?
15:33 thexyz wait, reactor, what should typical GNU/Linux user use instead of pulseaudio then?
15:34 thexyz on a typical home system
15:34 reactor VanessaE: esd... not sure
15:34 reactor but it's old-ass
15:34 reactor and probably is non-standard, too
15:34 reactor thexyz: OSS.
15:35 VanessaE yep I know
15:35 reactor thexyz: But linsux is deprecating it
15:35 VanessaE it's quite old, but it worked perfectly for what it was supposed to do
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15:35 thexyz reactor: yeah, it's marked as deprecated everywhere
15:35 reactor Not in BSD, afaik.
15:36 thexyz well, I'm talking about systems people actually use
15:36 reactor But it's called with some other name here.
15:36 reactor Well, BSD _is_ actually used.
15:38 zat u just moaning out of frustration for something is not working for you
15:38 reactor Its lower popularity, in fact, helps keep idiots away from the community.
15:38 reactor I'm fine. Everything is working here now.
15:38 zat good then
15:38 zat also, who says that reinventing the wheel is necessarily something bad...
15:39 reactor Yet, I'm frustrated to see how many programs try to pull in crapware as dependencies.
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15:39 reactor Why reincent it poorly, if you can improve on it!
15:39 reactor s/cent/vent/
15:39 zat http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9SWIsY8rzQ
15:39 reactor I wouldn't mind if pulse was one of possible options. But recently firefox has dropped oss support.
15:40 thexyz I'm frustrated to see how shitty the community can be
15:40 reactor ...then I got rid of firefox
15:41 zat hey Firefox drops my ram every time I open it
15:41 reactor Oh yeah, that. I've been using a Debian-based distribution, and its community, once bright, grew retarded.
15:41 zat is it normal that it consumes averagely like 1gb?
15:41 reactor zat: try and replace it with xombrero
15:41 reactor zat: it really is faster
15:42 reactor AND it supports all stuff firefox does.
15:42 thexyz I mean, here's the free software
15:42 thexyz people developing it don't benefit from that
15:42 zat You mean it is compatible with FFs plugins and such?
15:42 thexyz yet people complain and complain and call those people "tards" or something
15:42 reactor zat: no
15:43 zat what things that firefox supports does it support then
15:43 reactor thexyz: if they developed it properly, as in, fixed what is really bloody broken, they wouldn't be called that
15:43 reactor But they're assholes.
15:43 thexyz yeah, you see
15:43 thexyz just like I said
15:43 reactor zat: it passes compatibility tests
15:43 thexyz it's good those people are smart enough to ignore those complaints
15:44 zat reactor: you mean they use a fully standards compliant rendering engine/javascript interreter?
15:44 reactor I believe so, yes.
15:45 zat good
15:45 zat I would miss many FF plugins thoug
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15:47 thefamilygrog66 howdy folks
15:48 thexyz complaining about software is ok, calling people "assholes" because they don't do what you want them to is wrong
15:48 thexyz that's just my personal opinion though
15:49 zat I plus one it
15:49 thexyz is this attitude popular in BSD community?
15:49 reactor they not only do not do what I want, they do not do what sane members of the user community want
15:49 thexyz I'll make sure to keep away from it in that case
15:49 reactor I have not seen any bloatware becoming mandatory in BSD.
15:50 thefamilygrog66 Am I right/wrong in this case? https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=114404#p114404
15:50 thexyz this doesn't answer my question though
15:50 reactor Come and see for yourself.
15:50 reactor I'm not a statistics person.
15:51 reactor What do you want from me?
15:52 thexyz well I personally want you to stop insulting people but that's unlikely to happen and I've got no right to stop you from doing that as well
15:53 thexyz so, nothing, I guess
15:53 thexyz sorry for taking your precious time
15:54 reactor I/O error.
15:58 thexyz that's not nice
15:59 reactor Yeah? man nice(1)
15:59 reactor Pardon.
15:59 reactor man 1 nice
16:00 thefamilygrog66 What does Redd Foxx say?
16:00 Jordach Standing by.
16:00 thefamilygrog66 "Beauty may be only skin deep, but ugly cuts straight to the bone."
16:01 reactor Exactly.
16:01 VanessaE hey grog.
16:02 reactor So eh.
16:02 thefamilygrog66 howdy V. merged yer lrfurn doodad
16:02 VanessaE I saw just now :)
16:02 VanessaE figured I'd save you the trouble :
16:02 VanessaE :D
16:02 reactor Where can I publish my method of deploying minetest servers?
16:02 Jordach ...english :P
16:02 thefamilygrog66 thanks for doing the dirty work for me
16:03 VanessaE meh, it was easy :)
16:03 thefamilygrog66 reactor, maybe in the servers forum, as a sticky?
16:03 reactor Idk.
16:03 proller reactor, for freebsd was uncommited rc.d script
16:03 VanessaE now if I could just get zeg9 to show up
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16:03 VanessaE I said zeg9, not calinou.
16:03 thefamilygrog66 what are you bugging him about, V?
16:03 reactor I'm not quite friends with web interfaces to forums.
16:03 VanessaE *shakes fist at the aether*
16:03 thefamilygrog66 :)
16:03 reactor proller: may I have a look at it?
16:04 VanessaE thefamilygrog66: just a pull request that's been waiting for about a week :)
16:04 thefamilygrog66 "not quite friends"? that's an odd description.
16:04 thefamilygrog66 ahh,
16:04 thefamilygrog66 item frames?
16:04 reactor proller: what I'm trying to achieve here is running multiple servers from single rc script, automatically detecting the number of servers
16:04 VanessaE thefamilygrog66: no, actually this:  https://github.com/Zeg9/farming_plus/pull/1
16:04 reactor If there were mailing lists, that'd be easy.
16:05 thefamilygrog66 @VanessaE: tell Dan Quayle that...
16:05 VanessaE reactor: use the forum, minetest-related projects section
16:05 reactor mk
16:05 VanessaE thefamilygrog66: no, DQ spelled it "patatoe" I think it was :)
16:05 reactor idk, later this week, probably
16:06 VanessaE nope, I'm wrong
16:06 VanessaE he spelled it "potatoe" also :)
16:06 reactor Misspellings can reveal psychological characteristics, sometimes.
16:06 VanessaE reactor: maybe but even Frau...Freud said sometimes a cake is just a cake.
16:06 thefamilygrog66 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wdqbi66oNuI
16:06 thefamilygrog66 haha
16:06 reactor VanessaE: true that.
16:06 reactor But eh.
16:06 proller http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/q​uery-pr.cgi?pr=ports/178244
16:07 thefamilygrog66 pie > cake
16:07 proller but rc for one server only
16:07 reactor the pie is ~3.14 lies.
16:07 reactor proller: yep
16:07 reactor I'm trying to be scalable here.
16:07 VanessaE I'm pretty sure the pie is the truth, but I can'
16:07 VanessaE can't speak for the cake
16:07 * thefamilygrog66 likes pie.
16:07 reactor (for this application, one need to compile the server with RUN_IN_PLACE)
16:08 reactor VanessaE: I've eaten it. Now it's a lie.
16:08 proller reactor, noo!
16:08 reactor Yeah. You can't have any.
16:08 * reactor burps
16:09 thefamilygrog66 @VanessaE, now I have to add ottomans (and maybe a few other furnishings) and allow the items to be stackable. Is that the term I'm looking for?
16:09 proller must be compiled without  RUN_IN_PLACE and multi-server config by separate confog/worlddirs
16:09 VanessaE thefamilygrog66: yes, on both counts
16:09 VanessaE just don't set the stack_max
16:09 VanessaE by default it's 99
16:09 thefamilygrog66 Yeah, thought so - not sure why I used that line.
16:09 thefamilygrog66 Copied from something else, I guess.
16:10 thefamilygrog66 Oh yeah, I'll only add another 85 textures as well, just to keep you on your HD toes.
16:10 VanessaE ARGH!!!!!!!!!
16:10 thefamilygrog66 bahahaha
16:10 Jordach lololol
16:10 VanessaE KILL...MAIM......DESTROY......
16:10 reactor proller: aha
16:10 VanessaE :)
16:10 reactor proller: I'm yet to get how to do that.
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16:11 VanessaE HDX is getting so big now it'
16:11 VanessaE it's bursting at the seams
16:11 thefamilygrog66 might have to separate it into categories, or something
16:12 VanessaE I've considered doing that but it would be...non-trivial.
16:12 proller reactor, sample: /usr/ports/www/fcgiwrap/files/fcgiwrap.in
16:12 thefamilygrog66 a non-trivial pursuit
16:12 MinetestBot Chill VanessaE, chill. Don't lose your rag over 85 textures which wouldn't take long.
16:13 thefamilygrog66 oh my goodness
16:13 Jordach holy fuck holy fuck
16:13 VanessaE well I already have two trivial pursuits sitting on the laundry room shelf........
16:13 VanessaE hush, jordach :)
16:13 MinetestBot Meow.
16:13 thefamilygrog66 the Canadian edition, eh?
16:13 VanessaE ok, neko then :"D
16:14 VanessaE thefamilygrog66: actually the Silver Screen edition and the Jewish version called "Tradition"
16:14 Jordach in other news: I found a way to remove the google search bar from my chrome new tab
16:14 thefamilygrog66 cool
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16:15 * MinetestBot Purrs.
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16:15 reactor proller: that one allows running many programs from a single rc script?
16:16 proller yes
16:17 proller its fcgi specific, but you need make +- same
16:17 proller split configs, worlddirs, pids
16:19 reactor oh.
16:19 reactor I've just realised what I've been slapping together was a kludge.
16:20 reactor I'll be adapting that script this week.
16:21 reactor And thank you for directions.
16:23 thexyz are mailing lists better than forums?
16:23 proller reactor, /usr/ports/www/apache22/files/apache22.in
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16:24 reactor thexyz: yes. You don't need browser to write to them.
16:24 reactor You don't need to remember passwords.
16:24 proller /usr/ports/www/nginx/files/nginx.in
16:24 reactor And if you subscribe, you can receive messages in bulk.
16:24 thexyz reactor: what about archives?
16:25 reactor well, you do need a browser for them, but text-only browser can suffice.
16:25 reactor Heck, you can even get them with netcat!
16:25 thexyz no, no
16:25 thexyz I mean, they're very inconvenient to use
16:25 thexyz all those web interfaces to archives
16:25 reactor oh
16:26 reactor but web forums are even less convenient and distracting
16:26 reactor I haven't had any problems with netbsd mailing lists archives
16:26 reactor very clean
16:26 thexyz I can't understand that
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16:27 markveidemanis HI
16:27 reactor markveidemanis: o/
16:27 reactor thexyz: okay.
16:27 thexyz reactor: could you give a link to some archive?
16:27 reactor netbsd.org/ eh I don't remember.
16:27 thexyz like http://mail-index.netbsd.org/netb​sd-bugs/2013/10/15/msg034697.html ?
16:28 reactor oh yeah.
16:28 thexyz hm.. I don't see how's that more convenient than forums; on forums it's easy to check all replies
16:29 thexyz and those archives appear to be threaded but you can't navigate threads in sane way
16:29 reactor It takes time to understand it. Sometimes you are very very limited. Say, you're ssh'ing into your machine from some lame old-ass Windows machine at school.
16:29 reactor you can
16:29 reactor there are links below
16:30 markveidemanis Is it possible to get a free vps?
16:30 markveidemanis For messing around
16:30 thexyz but I don't know how many threads there are; say there's the first message and two replies to it, and then one reply to the first reply to the original message
16:30 reactor so what, see the index
16:31 reactor all the Re: and Re: Re: and Re: Re: Re: are stored sequentially, afaik.
16:32 thexyz now there are titles of message but no content
16:32 reactor So what?
16:32 thexyz this is inconvenient
16:32 reactor There are those right and keft keys on your keyboard.
16:32 reactor Okay?
16:32 reactor It's easier than having to reach for the mouse and getting back pain from it.
16:33 thexyz yeah, what should I do with those keys?
16:33 thexyz oh
16:33 reactor idk, they're usually bound to navigation
16:34 thexyz I guess you're talking about text based browsers
16:34 reactor No.
16:35 reactor In graphical ones, it's usually Meta-Right and Meta-Left.
16:35 markveidemanis What dependencies do i need for a bare server?
16:35 thexyz dunno, really; there's no search either
16:35 markveidemanis and will a server run on CentOS?
16:35 reactor markveidemanis: compile it there - it will.
16:35 markveidemanis I mean the depends
16:35 reactor thexyz: google can search sites, did you know that?
16:36 thexyz reactor: yeah, I do know that
16:36 thexyz reactor: but from my experience it doesn't work very well with those lists
16:36 thexyz for example, reply is indexed and original message is not
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16:36 reactor Also, thexyz, there are alternative interfaces to archives.
16:37 reactor Heck, some even pretend to look like forums.
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16:37 thexyz I've never seen anything as convenient as basic forum app but I'll take your word for that
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16:44 reactor Meh.
16:44 reactor Again, can't access them well over ASCII-only comms.
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16:46 thexyz I don't think those are very popular
16:47 reactor You never know from where you log into your machine to do things.
16:47 reactor Sometimes it's a mobile phone.
16:48 thexyz I'm not following then; why can't you browse from your phone's web browser?
16:48 thexyz if you need to
16:48 reactor Because most phone browsers are lame.
16:48 reactor Plainly.
16:48 thexyz huh
16:48 reactor They're terribly made, slow, pushing phones' resource to the limit.
16:49 reactor (it's the case with phone software, in general)
16:49 thexyz so instead you'd prefer to browse the net from text-based browser running at your PC which you access via SSH from your phone, right?
16:49 reactor Indeed.
16:49 thexyz I'm sorry.
16:49 reactor As side effect, it's less traffic.
16:50 reactor Cheaper.
16:50 Jordach that;s true
16:50 reactor And faster.
16:50 Jordach yup
16:50 reactor My point is, why crawl when you can fly?
16:50 thexyz hm..
16:51 thexyz I don't see how's that "less traffic"
16:51 Jordach did thexyz just get pwned by reactor's love of BSD
16:51 Jordach JESUS FUCK
16:51 * Jordach needs more meds
16:52 thexyz well what's wrong with BSD?
16:52 Jordach nothing
16:52 reactor Not only BSD can be used for that.
16:52 reactor Eh.
16:52 Jordach except a bit more paranoid than linux
16:52 reactor Paranoid?
16:52 thexyz I just can't understand the reasoning
16:53 thexyz you can turn off images and whatever else in your phone's browser and it'll take same amount (if not less) of traffic
16:53 reactor There is something wrong with people who call those who like to be organised paranoid or obsessed.
16:53 reactor thexyz: even with that, phone browsers suck
16:53 thexyz compared to text-based?
16:54 reactor thexyz: they will do all kinds of nasty things with non-mobile pages, so you can see nothing but garbled garbage
16:54 reactor Yes, they even suck compared with 20 years old text browsers.
16:54 reactor s/with/to/
16:54 thexyz eh
16:54 reactor s/even suck/suck even/
16:54 thexyz I guess my power level is still too low to understand that
16:55 thexyz I'll work on improving it and then will reread this conversation some day
16:55 reactor Low power? Get a generator.
16:55 thexyz I've got a lot of generators in my python code, doesn't help
16:55 reactor Diesel generators are affordable.
16:55 thefamilygrog66 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alynx
16:56 reactor thexyz: error.
16:56 thefamilygrog66 Things were so much simpler with Lynx...
16:57 thexyz reactor: do you actually use the setup you described? text-based-browser-over-ssh
16:57 reactor When stuck in a traffic jam, I do.
16:57 reactor That's how I spend otherwise useless time.
16:58 thexyz interesting
17:00 reactor I could also chat, mail or even slap together a small program.
17:00 thexyz do you do that?
17:00 reactor Why not.
17:01 reactor When at the computer lab, I don't need to learn the weird interface of Mac OS. Instead, I can ssh home and use the system I know well.
17:01 thexyz "slap together a small program", from your phone
17:01 reactor Yes.
17:02 reactor It's probably new to you you can program without all these complicated IDE's with tons of functionality you will never use.
17:03 thexyz the fact that someone codes from his phone is new to me, indeed
17:05 Jordach thexyz, i once coded c on an iPad
17:05 Jordach using the notes app
17:05 reactor thexyz: okay. You can call me a pervert if you want. But I do this.
17:06 reactor And I find it better than just sitting somewhere waiting for something, wasting life.
17:07 thexyz reactor: what do you code?
17:08 reactor Currently I'm working on a program that calculates the Hubbard model
17:08 reactor Nothing big, just getting familiar with the already written one, parallelising it on the way.
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17:17 FreeFull reactor: Which system do you know well? Some linux? BSD?
17:19 reactor I know a bit of UNIX in general.
17:19 reactor I currently am learning BSD.
17:19 reactor Having had previously several used Linux-based OS.
17:22 reactor FreeFull: why?
17:23 FreeFull Just was curious
17:23 reactor Curiosity killed the cat, they say.
17:23 reactor Just saying.
17:31 reactor Do you want to talk about it?
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17:35 webdesigner97 hi
17:37 VanessaE hi
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17:41 john_minetest hello everypony
17:43 * thefamilygrog66 is not a pony.
17:44 * Jordach neither
17:44 * webdesigner97 modded with InvRefs for the first time and is happy with the result
17:44 * MinetestBot neither
17:46 webdesigner97 brb
17:47 reactor john_minetest: o/
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17:50 reactor john_minetest: anything new?
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17:51 john_minetest reactor: nope. just watching let's plays
17:51 reactor mk
17:51 reactor john_minetest: can you mail me some screens of Svet?
17:52 john_minetest reactor: hmmm, why don't you just google it
17:52 reactor there are not many
17:52 reactor idk
17:53 webdesi98 omg, why am I seeing a leave-message with my name?!
17:53 webdesi98 oh
17:53 webdesi98 o.O
17:54 reactor webdesi98: pwned.
17:54 webdesi98 weird
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17:55 webdesigner97 test
17:55 webdesigner97 ah, this is better
17:57 reactor tset
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18:09 * Jordach found 820mb in the recycle bin as usual
18:09 webdesigner97 only 820mb?
18:09 NakedFury I hate having even a byte in the recycle bin
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18:10 reactor desktop metaphor is a failed concept
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18:10 reactor I mean, flawed.
18:10 reactor Because computer screen ain't no desk.
18:10 webdesigner97 :D
18:10 reactor Heck, if I wanted a real desk, I would buy a real desk.
18:10 john_minetest Jordach: Lol, I have over 6 GB in my recycle bin
18:11 john_minetest And those are only 2 folders
18:11 webdesigner97 gtg, bye :)
18:11 reactor see you around, mate
18:11 Jordach john_minetest, i once got it to 10gb after dozens of warnings of low disk space
18:11 john_minetest 4+2+1
18:11 Jordach john_minetest, pony porn, that's why :P
18:12 john_minetest actually this is cryengine stuff.
18:12 Jordach and there's another 100mb lying around
18:12 Jordach thank you minetest-classic for eating ~100mb
18:12 * Jordach is cleaning up the place
18:14 * Jordach spawns CCleaner
18:14 Jordach iTunes....Welcome to your doom!
18:15 Jordach we should play first name roulette with people such as blockmen
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18:30 * Jordach is approaching 50% free space on C:\
18:31 reactor Windwows.
18:31 Jordach reactor, 24GB used
18:31 reactor By it?
18:31 Jordach reactor, some other apps
18:31 reactor But that's still fat.
18:31 Jordach blender, a few 5gib games
18:31 Jordach my media partition is nearly full
18:31 thefamilygrog66 too many blender renders
18:32 reactor I had blender in a system that is about 8 GB.
18:33 Jordach wut
18:33 Jordach wat wat wat
18:33 Jordach 24.4gb -> 24.5gb
18:33 Jordach im uninstalling shit wtf
18:34 * Menche 's home dir is 68 GB
18:35 * Menche didn't know he had that much stuff
18:35 Evergreen Binary clocks FTW:   https://www.dropbox.com/s/8np​0kd1nz0qmj7f/binary_clock.png
18:37 reactor Evergreen: what's the point?
18:37 john_minetest we've got one of those on our university building
18:37 reactor Now _that_ is pervert.
18:38 Evergreen No point, except it looks cool
18:38 thexyz I'd say that's just showing off
18:38 Evergreen It  also is good practice for reading binary
18:38 reactor thexyz: _and_ perverted.
18:38 thexyz okay, okay
18:38 reactor Evergreen: it is, but nto for clocks.
18:39 thexyz why do you need to read binary?
18:39 reactor I would say, that is so typical of desltop Linux users.
18:39 reactor s/lt/kt/
18:39 Jordach just found 1.5gb hiding on the desktop
18:39 reactor One would need to read binary while doing old machines.
18:39 reactor In modern UNIX, not so often.
18:39 Evergreen Never meant to start an argument.   :P
18:40 Jordach 27.9gb free now
18:41 Jordach 23.5gb used by windows and installs
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18:42 Jordach !deop VanessaE
18:42 Jordach you don't need it
18:43 Jordach and there's 514mb just lying around wtf
18:44 thexyz http://bpaste.net/show/140801/
18:44 thexyz and I have no idea how much of this stuff I don't actually need
18:44 Jordach not bad
18:45 Jordach considering im stuck with 160gb, i've learned space efficiency
18:45 thexyz that's a good skill to have
18:45 Jordach thexyz, i would blitz 1tb in about ~6 years
18:46 Jordach it took me about two years to fill my media partition which is about ~100gb
18:46 john_minetest lol
18:46 Jordach and i have an extra ~25gb hidden as a linux partition
18:46 thexyz I dunno, files just appear somehow
18:47 Jordach thexyz, my question is: where do they come from
18:47 john_minetest my computer is about that old and I have used 180 GB on my windows computer and about 16 on my linux PC
18:48 Jordach mhm
18:48 thexyz Jordach: oh that's easy
18:48 thexyz 1080p bds weight a lot
18:48 Jordach when i get my newer gaming machine (at some point this year) i should be getting 1tb internal + 1tb external
18:50 Jordach i may eventually just nuke the entire drive when im done and turn it into an xmbc server
18:50 thexyz xbmc
18:50 thexyz it's nice
18:50 Jordach (this current machine - it's still up to the task)
18:51 Jordach and it might become my quassel core
18:51 thexyz but video player isn't very good in my opinion
18:51 Jordach thexyz, it'll become a media sharer in the house
18:51 thexyz sharer?
18:52 thexyz is there much point in xbmc then?
18:52 Jordach basically, put all movies, tv, music, photos and everyone gets to view it
18:52 Jordach thexyz, we have several TVs in the house, one of which is connected to an xbox360 - which happens to work with xmbc
18:52 Jordach movies without the hassle of windows media centre
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18:53 thexyz does it still support xbox?
18:53 Jordach yes
18:53 Jordach provided i get it setup right
18:53 thexyz hmm
18:53 Jordach but until i get my gaming machine, this will have to wait
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18:54 thexyz I think they don't officially support it anymore
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19:14 VanessaE bbl
19:15 reactor Good night.
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19:34 cy1 You know what minetest needs? Toys.
19:34 cy1 Not like, toys to play with. But toys to provide ambience.
19:34 cy1 (Toys to play with would be cool too though)
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19:36 Calinou it also needs GPG
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19:47 Jordach lol Calinou
19:47 cy1 Calinou: Tried that. Nobody liked it. :/
19:48 Calinou nopony
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19:52 Jordach cy1, you mean this: http://saintsrow.wikia.com/wiki/The_Penetrator
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19:54 cy1 Calinou: what's your ID? Mine's 0AC7DA56
19:54 Calinou ID?
19:55 thefamilygrog66 Is that a MAC address, cy1?
19:56 ruskie looks like a pgp key id
19:57 cy1 augh, circular saws eat items
19:57 cy1 thefamilygrog66: It's a PGP key ID. Specifically 3072D/0AC7DA56
19:58 thefamilygrog66 ah, gotcha
19:59 thefamilygrog66 what sorta toys do you have in mind?
20:00 cy1 Balls, rocking horses, teddy bears, idk
20:02 thefamilygrog66 physics changing magic beans? :)
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20:09 TheLastProject :|
20:10 NekoGloop :D
20:10 TheLastProject :|
20:10 Menche :D
20:12 NekoGloop :|
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20:22 * sfan5 throws a kitten at NekoGloop
20:23 * NekoGloop catches him and cuddles him~ :3
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20:30 * sfan5 puts a kitten on NekoGloop's head
20:33 NekoGloop :3
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21:26 stormchaser3000 hi
21:27 sapier1 welcome
21:27 VanessaE hi
21:27 stormchaser3000 hi sapier
21:27 stormchaser3000 hi vanessa
21:28 stormchaser3000 hey sapier do you know how to compile mientest for windows
21:29 sapier1 I once knew but last time I tried I failed and didn't have time to find out why ;-)
21:30 stormchaser3000 um ok just a sec i am going to see if sd zen compiled it for me
21:30 stormchaser3000 nope
21:36 stormchaser3000 can you compile this git (or at least try):https://gitorious.org/minetest-clas​sic/minetest-classic/source/175ec66​792d19d6061097e2c00af5dce3f05240d:
21:36 stormchaser3000 https://gitorious.org/minetest-clas​sic/minetest-classic/source/175ec66​792d19d6061097e2c00af5dce3f05240d:
21:37 sapier1 I don't have a win32/win64 build env atm sorry
21:37 stormchaser3000 minetest classic
21:37 stormchaser3000 oh ok
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22:23 VanessaE cy1: *poke*
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22:28 cy1 VanessaE: *squeak*
22:29 VanessaE cy1: msg
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23:54 Evergreen Hey everyone
23:55 VanessaE hi

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