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00:04 us|0gb I'd try it, but my world's rollback.txt is blank.
00:05 zat kik
00:05 us|0gb I mean, I could start a world with one, but it would take quite a while to get a large one.
00:05 zat uh yes
00:05 zat well it depends... you can find some lava spring and drain it to another cave
00:06 zat that would make an instant huge log
00:06 us|0gb rollback.txt captures non-player actions? Okay, I'll go do that.
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00:09 zat :P
00:09 zat it guesses who might have done something that triggered that
00:11 us|0gb Okay .... the lava isn't even flowing. I think I bugged something up.
00:11 zat D:
00:12 us|0gb Natural lava isn't flowing either.
00:13 us|0gb Okay, now it is, just rather slowly.
00:13 zat maybe server is over capacity
00:14 us|0gb Okay, I got it working by resetting my settings.
00:19 us|0gb The rollback log didn't get very long.
00:22 us|0gb And natural lava still refuses to flow, though placed and disturbed lava will.
00:35 zat damn
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01:19 RedBlade7 hey how do i get the brown-gray rocks? the pickaxe doesnt work, and neither do the shovel or the wood axe
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01:20 stormchaser3000 hi
01:20 stormchaser3000 vanessa are you there
01:20 RedBlade7 shi
01:21 RedBlade7 i was just asking, maybe you can answer, how do i mine the reddish-brown rocks?
01:21 RedBlade7 they dont come out with the pickaxe, and the axe and shovel wont work either
01:21 stormchaser3000 a pickaxe wood, stone, steel, diamond, mese
01:22 stormchaser3000 ,bronze
01:22 RedBlade7 my pickaxe is made from a tree
01:22 RedBlade7 how do i get the other ones
01:22 RedBlade7 i see you need the lumps
01:22 RedBlade7 to make ingots
01:23 RedBlade7 will the tree-pickaxe not work for this one rock?
01:24 stormchaser3000 yep
01:24 VanessaE yes
01:24 VanessaE ?
01:25 stormchaser3000 and you can make a stone epick out of the rock to
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01:25 VanessaE oh the stones on the surface?  try a pck
01:25 VanessaE oh guess you figured it out :
01:25 VanessaE :)
01:25 * VanessaE wanders off again
01:25 stormchaser3000 um vanessa why did you put the parymids mod on you survival server wouldn't that jjust cause lag?
01:25 VanessaE stormchaser3000: not really, no.
01:25 stormchaser3000 oh ok
01:26 RedBlade7 the baked stone can be used with sticks, like the wood was?
01:26 stormchaser3000 um yeah but you don't need to bake it
01:26 stormchaser3000 just mine it then use it with sticks
01:26 stormchaser3000 like a wood pick
01:31 RedBlade7 when you mine it you get cobblestone and have to make it for the stone
01:32 stormchaser3000 ?
01:32 stormchaser3000 just make a pick with the cobble
01:32 RedBlade7 make it->bake it
01:33 stormchaser3000 cobble, cobble, cobble
01:33 RedBlade7 nope needed the stone
01:33 stormchaser3000 ____, stick, _____
01:34 stormchaser3000 ____, stick, _______
01:34 stormchaser3000 no cobble will work if nor reload minetest
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01:48 RedBlade7 hey it does work with cobble
01:48 RedBlade7 dont know why i missed that boefre
01:48 stormchaser3000 lol
02:07 us|0gb Is it just me, or have YouTube videos been failing to load all day?
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02:11 Dark_Soul VanessaE are you there?
02:14 Peacock she's off to London to see the Queen
02:18 Dark_Soul lol ok
02:18 Dark_Soul well does anyone now a auto restart for servers for when they crash
02:19 us|0gb It must be nice to be important enough to get an audience with the queen.
02:19 us|0gb Auto restart? VanessaE has a script for that. I'll see if I can find it.
02:19 Dark_Soul really thanks
02:20 us|0gb I think it's on her GitHub account.
02:20 Dark_Soul now i have to figure out how to let my server with out being on i have tried the wiki thing but doesnt work
02:20 Dark_Soul thanks 0gb
02:22 us|0gb Hmm. I can' find it, but I've seen it before and it's fairly simple. I can probably reproduce it. Hold on a bit.
02:24 us|0gb Dark_Soul, her script is something like this: http://pastebin.com/fNnEetYG
02:24 us|0gb You'll need to add whatever parameters you use to the "minetest" command.
02:25 us|0gb *"minetestserver"
02:25 us|0gb I don't know how she terminates it. Maybe she uses killall or something.
02:26 Dark_Soul ok thanks that would be very ok
02:26 Dark_Soul oops
02:26 Peacock watching Seven days in may - who knew they still had black and white in 64
02:27 us|0gb In 64 what? 1964?
02:28 Peacock well they didn't make movies in 64 or 164 :P
02:28 Peacock 1964 yeah
02:32 Dark_Soul ok well it works but how do i make it not select the world world
02:32 Dark_Soul do i put my world in the minetestserver area
02:33 Peacock math.pow(world,2)
02:34 us|0gb "In 64" could have been 64 bit or something. I was unsure if you even meant a year.
02:34 Peacock naw, Seven days in May came out in 1964
02:35 Dark_Soul what is math.pow (world,2)
02:35 Peacock you said world world :P
02:37 Dark_Soul yes its running the world from the world file named world which i dont even halve that world
02:37 Peacock world/2
02:38 Dark_Soul well i have official been confused
02:38 Peacock "halve that world"
02:38 Dark_Soul half
02:38 Dark_Soul thave
02:38 Dark_Soul tomg
02:38 Dark_Soul why cant i talk
02:39 * us|0gb tries to cleave the world in two
02:39 * us|0gb fails
02:40 Dark_Soul XD
02:40 us|0gb Hmm. It could be done easily in Lua. The question is, should it?
02:40 us|0gb It would be quite amusing to have a fault through the whole map.
02:40 Peacock the 2012 mod lol
02:41 Dark_Soul wait i was to put that in the lua?
02:41 us|0gb Put what in Lua?
02:41 us|0gb And what does this have to do with 2012?
02:41 Dark_Soul btw my one of my servers have been has ate its elf
02:41 Dark_Soul self
02:41 Dark_Soul the command you gave me
02:42 Dark_Soul i put it in the terminal
02:42 us|0gb No, that was to be saves in a file and run in bash.
02:42 us|0gb *saved
02:42 Dark_Soul explain what bash is sorry im a noob when it comes to linux
02:43 us|0gb Do you know what the command line is?
02:43 Dark_Soul in the terminal
02:43 us|0gb Yeah. Run the script in Terminal.
02:44 Dark_Soul ok i did and it kept trying to run it on the world named world for some rease why is that
02:44 us|0gb Change "minetestserver" to "minetestserver --worldname <name of your world>" to choose a different world.
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02:45 Dark_Soul ooo so like in windows i got this
02:45 stormchaser3000 how do i cmopile minetest in windows
02:45 us|0gb I wouldn't know how it is in WIndows.
02:45 Dark_Soul i do but it sucks
02:46 us|0gb I also don't know how to compile in Windows, sorry.
02:46 stormchaser3000 :(
02:46 stormchaser3000 i am tring to compile minetest-classic
02:46 stormchaser3000 next brancch there is no windows build for it
02:46 * us|0gb wants so desperately so crack a joke here, but is biting his tongue
02:47 stormchaser3000 lol
02:47 Menche sdzen makes the minetest-classic master builds
02:47 * stormchaser3000 is loling so hard that he can barly breath
02:47 us|0gb Hmm?
02:47 stormchaser3000 jk
02:47 stormchaser3000 i kno
02:47 Menche ?
02:48 stormchaser3000 but i need to ask for the next branch build
02:48 Dark_Soul http://pastebin.com/whn30Jxf this is what im puting in and its telling me its unavailable
02:48 Menche last time i tried to make a windows build, something wasn't linked right and it couldn't find any libraries
02:49 stormchaser3000 hmmm i folllowed the instucitons in the reeadme file
02:49 Menche i was cross-compiling
02:49 stormchaser3000 and cmake will not compile it right
02:49 Dark_Soul what are you guys trying to do on windows? i can help i think
02:49 Menche what was the output of cmake?
02:49 stormchaser3000 compile minetest
02:49 stormchaser3000 oh awit
02:49 stormchaser3000 um
02:50 stormchaser3000 it was
02:50 stormchaser3000 tsome cmake file=e lists did not mack
02:50 stormchaser3000 mach
02:50 stormchaser3000 i will run it again
02:50 * Menche isn't sure what parts of that were typos :P
02:50 us|0gb Dark_Soul, that code you pasted should work. WHat exactly does it say is unavailable?
02:51 stormchaser3000 CMake Error: CMake was unable to find a build program corresponding to "MinGW Makefiles".  CMAKE_MAKE_PROGRAM is not set.  You probably need to select a different build tool.
02:51 stormchaser3000 CMake Error: CMake was unable to find a build program corresponding to "MinGW Makefiles".  CMAKE_MAKE_PROGRAM is not set.  You probably need to select a different build tool.
02:51 stormchaser3000 CMake Error: Error required internal CMake variable not set, cmake may be not be built correctly.
02:51 stormchaser3000 Missing variable is:
02:51 stormchaser3000 CMAKE_C_COMPILER_ENV_VAR
02:51 stormchaser3000 CMake Error: Error required internal CMake variable not set, cmake may be not be built correctly.
02:51 stormchaser3000 Missing variable is:
02:51 stormchaser3000 CMAKE_C_COMPILER
02:51 stormchaser3000 CMake Error: Could not find cmake module file:C:/Users/ian2/Desktop/CMakeFi​les/2.8.11.1/CMakeCCompiler.cmake
02:51 stormchaser3000 CMake Error: Error required internal CMake variable not set, cmake may be not be built correctly.
02:51 stormchaser3000 Missing variable is:
02:51 stormchaser3000 CMAKE_CXX_COMPILER_ENV_VAR
02:51 stormchaser3000 was kicked by ShadowBot: Message flood detected.
02:51 Menche lol
02:51 Dark_Soul hold on
02:51 Menche calm down ShadowBot
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02:52 stormchaser3000 lol
02:52 stormchaser3000 sorry
02:52 stormchaser3000 that was my error
02:52 Menche i would guess that you don't have a compiler installed
02:52 stormchaser3000 and it took more than 19 lines
02:52 Dark_Soul http://pastebin.com/LamzM4xp there its at the bottom of the paste
02:52 stormchaser3000 i have mingw
02:52 Menche apparently it can't find it
02:52 Dark_Soul http://pastebin.com/LamzM4xp there its at the bottom of the paste
02:52 Dark_Soul oops why does it do that
02:53 Menche try using cmake . -DCMAKE_C_COMPILER=/path/to/compiler -DCMAKE_CXX_COMPILER=/path/to/compiler
02:53 Menche tell it where mingw is installed
02:53 stormchaser3000 i am using the gui version
02:53 Menche :(
02:53 Menche then enter the path to mingw in those fields in the gui
02:54 stormchaser3000 how
02:54 us|0gb Dark_Soul, try renaming the world/world directory world/DarkNess.
02:54 stormchaser3000 i ccan't
02:54 Menche ?
02:54 us|0gb *worlds
02:55 Dark_Soul ok i think i understand
02:56 Dark_Soul ok i changed the worlds file name to DarkNess and still doesnt work
02:57 us|0gb What worlds does it say are available now?
02:57 Dark_Soul same thing
02:58 us|0gb It says "world" is still available?
02:58 Dark_Soul yes
02:58 Dark_Soul i dont even have the world file idk where its getignthat from
02:58 us|0gb Is this on a remote server or on your local machine?
02:59 Dark_Soul my labtop
02:59 us|0gb Type "minetest" in Terminal and use the graphical interface to make a world with the correct name.
02:59 Dark_Soul ok
03:00 us|0gb While you're at it, you can delete "world" from there if you like.
03:00 Dark_Soul i just did
03:00 Dark_Soul thanks
03:00 Dark_Soul lets try that
03:00 us|0gb Any time.
03:02 Dark_Soul ok i was able to get on but how do i modify the world so that it has everything the other file has?
03:03 us|0gb What did the other on have that this one doesn't?
03:03 us|0gb *one
03:03 Dark_Soul i have been running the server for about 3 weeks on this world and this world is blank i believe
03:03 Dark_Soul hold on
03:04 us|0gb Um. If you had stuff in that world, why did you delete it?
03:04 Dark_Soul i didnt
03:04 Dark_Soul the world file had nothing in it
03:04 us|0gb Oh, I thought you said you deleted it from the graphical interface.
03:04 Dark_Soul yes
03:04 Dark_Soul hold on
03:05 us|0gb Was "world" the world you had for three weeks, or was it another world?
03:05 Dark_Soul hold another world hold on plz
03:08 RedBlade7 what do you do with bones
03:08 RedBlade7 oh ok
03:08 RedBlade7 got it
03:08 us|0gb Build graveyards.
03:08 Dark_Soul for somereason it telling me wrong password when trying to load on singleplayer
03:08 RedBlade7 no wait it doesnt
03:09 RedBlade7 how do i pick it up
03:09 us|0gb take the stuff out, then pick it up.
03:09 Dark_Soul i have modified the bonemeal t otake the bones that you leave when you doe to make bone meal with
03:09 us|0gb Dark_Soul, if someone created an account named singleplayer, you are locked out of single player mode.
03:10 RedBlade7 cool
03:11 Dark_Soul ok
03:11 Dark_Soul i can delete that tehn
03:11 us|0gb Delete what?
03:14 Dark_Soul the singleplayer file but still doesnt work
03:15 us|0gb It's not that file that would need to be deleted, it's the passwords file, auth.txt. Best not delete that though.
03:18 Dark_Soul ok i found a fix for temp if i close the terminal i can load the old world fine and dandy but if iload that other world it doesnt work how do i get my world file on the graphics thing
03:20 cy1 I need a way to tell if a chest is full, with mesecons...
03:20 us|0gb cy1, might require a custom script to do.
03:21 cy1 us|0gb: I was looking at luacontroller, but I don't think it can query surrounding nodes...
03:21 us|0gb Dark_Soul, start the server, then log in from the client. Don't choose "Single Player", choose "multiplayer". The address is "localhost".
03:21 Dark_Soul yes i know but its a blank world
03:22 us|0gb cy1, I mean an actual Lua file. You might have to make a new node for that.
03:22 cy1 Items that try to go in a full chest get bounced back and try alternate pipeworks routes. Then they pop out as entities if nothing is found.
03:22 cy1 us|0gb: Nooo don't say that :'(
03:22 us|0gb Sorry, there might be a way, I'm just not aware of it.
03:22 us|0gb And new nodes aren't SO bad.
03:22 cy1 I could just have the entities hit a pressure plate. Would lose 1 item every entity expiration though.
03:23 us|0gb Dark_Soul, somehow, you're ending up in a different world. I don't know how.
03:23 cy1 us|0gb: but convincing jeija to use it is the hard part.
03:23 Dark_Soul yes i know
03:23 cy1 If only there was an item that fired a mesecon oh detector tubes of course
03:26 us|0gb So you are logging in as you and entering your password and such?
03:26 stormchaser3000 how about an mese amror pach for the 3darmor mod that is as goo as diamond bu will activate mescon circuts when on cantact
03:27 Dark_Soul yes and its a complete new world no mods no nothing
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03:28 us|0gb I don't know how that could be happening. I'm sorry, I'm out of ideas. Maybe someone else here will know how to fix it.
03:29 Dark_Soul well thanks for everythign
03:29 Dark_Soul well all i have found is it opening a older version of minetest
03:30 us|0gb You have two versions of Minetest running?
03:30 Dark_Soul i have 1 on windows and linux but im on linux and they are both 0.4.7
03:31 us|0gb Are both the server and the client currently running on GNU/Linux?
03:32 Dark_Soul well both have worlds but i havent use windows in over a month
03:35 stormchaser3000 well who wants to play on ogb.us
03:36 stormchaser3000 0gb.us*
03:39 Dark_Soul 0gb i found something
03:39 us|0gb WHat did you find?
03:41 Dark_Soul i managed to get it where it would load th server and it wouldnt load and give me a error and this is what it said
03:41 Dark_Soul http://pastebin.com/yXVp8wVX
03:41 Dark_Soul it says stuff about what minetest its loading
03:42 us|0gb Open Terminal. Type "killall minetest".
03:43 Dark_Soul ok
03:43 Dark_Soul minetest: no process found
03:43 Dark_Soul it gave me that
03:44 us|0gb Oops, my bad. I meant "killall minetestserver".
03:44 Dark_Soul ok
03:45 Dark_Soul same thing
03:45 us|0gb Okay, try "minetestserver --worldname DarkNess".
03:46 Dark_Soul ok
03:46 Dark_Soul wo
03:47 Dark_Soul http://pastebin.com/nsJQJxvg
03:48 us|0gb Not "killall minetestserver --worldname DarkNess". Just "minetestserver --worldname DarkNess". Leave off the "killall" part.
03:48 Dark_Soul ok
03:49 Dark_Soul it just started the blank world agia
03:50 us|0gb And you don't get a blank world when you start it in single player mode?
03:50 Dark_Soul if i was to close the server yes
03:51 us|0gb WHat do you do to start the Minetest client?
03:51 Dark_Soul how do i usaully start my server?
03:52 us|0gb Not the server. The client. The one that lets you play the game.
03:52 Dark_Soul i got to server and got to favorites and click on my ip and log in
03:52 Dark_Soul but i have no pirvs or anythin
03:53 us|0gb If you are clicking on your IP address, you already have the client open. THat window is the client window. How do you open that window?
03:54 Dark_Soul idk what you mean i havent been on windows in over 4 weeks
03:54 us|0gb Not Windows, the window.
03:54 * Dark_Soul is  linux noob
03:54 Dark_Soul ok yes
03:54 us|0gb The game runs in a window, right?
03:54 Dark_Soul its runnign in the terminal
03:54 Dark_Soul yes
03:55 us|0gb How do you open it in Terminal?
03:55 Dark_Soul typed the minetestserver --worldname DarkNess and it started the server
03:56 Menche it couldn't find windows.h. that sounds important.
03:56 us|0gb Not that window. Not the server. Do you know the window that has the Minetest logo and lets you see what you're doing in the game? The window with the log in screen?
03:57 Dark_Soul omg Menche was so quite i was wonderign if he was still alive
03:57 Dark_Soul yes
03:57 Menche i'd even marked myself as "away"...
03:57 Dark_Soul i didnt see that
03:57 us|0gb No. Menche has been a zombie for some time, but it's okay. He's a friendly and intelligent zombie.
03:58 Dark_Soul lol
03:58 Menche geek zombies eat CPUs instead of brains.
03:58 Menche you're safe.
03:58 us|0gb Ah, that explains it.
03:59 Dark_Soul lol
03:59 us|0gb Dark_Soul, do you click an icon in the menu to open Minetest, or do you enter "minetest" into Terminal, or how do you open it?
03:59 Dark_Soul click on the icon
04:00 us|0gb Okay. Is the server still running right now?
04:00 Dark_Soul yes
04:00 us|0gb Open a second Terminal.
04:00 us|0gb Type "minetest".
04:00 Dark_Soul tho some of the water is invisiable i hate the blue lines
04:00 Dark_Soul ok
04:00 us|0gb Try logging into the server with that.
04:01 Menche Anyone know how to reset where the compiler looks for system header files? I seem to recall there being some environment variable.
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04:01 stormchaser3000 hi
04:01 us|0gb Hello!
04:01 Menche the root of my cross-compiler toolchain is a bit different than it expects
04:01 stormchaser3000 who wants to playhunger games?
04:02 us|0gb Sorry, I'm busy being tech support.
04:02 Menche lol
04:02 stormchaser3000 lol
04:02 stormchaser3000 i might=t need it to
04:02 Menche so might is set to 't'
04:02 us|0gb You came to the right place then.
04:02 stormchaser3000 i am tringto compile mientest on winddows
04:02 Menche stap maeking tyops
04:02 stormchaser3000 lol
04:03 us|0gb Ah. If it's Windows support you need, you'll need to wait for Windows Minetest tech support. I'm afraid I am not he.
04:03 * Menche is trying to cross-compile minetest for windows on minetest
04:03 Dark_Soul ok that fixed the water problem but not the world problem
04:03 Menche *on linux
04:03 Menche that made no sense.,
04:03 Menche compiling minetest on minetest. right.
04:03 stormchaser3000 lol
04:03 stormchaser3000 lol
04:04 Menche i suppose if someone made a big enough mesecons computer...
04:04 stormchaser3000 yeah we all are
04:04 us|0gb Compiling on Minetest. An interesting thought. I wonder if Jeija'a mesecons can handle compiling.
04:04 * us|0gb types too slowly
04:04 Menche i know that some minecraft players have made restone computers with memory and the ability to save/load programs
04:04 us|0gb Dark_Soul, open ~/.minetest/minetest.conf
04:04 Dark_Soul ok
04:04 Menche mesecons should be able to do that more compact, with micro/luacontrollers
04:05 Menche of course, using luacontrollers would sort of be cheating, as a luacontroller *is* like a small computer.
04:05 us|0gb Look for a line that begins with "port = ".
04:05 * Menche stops babbling and gets back to work
04:06 stormchaser3000 lol i am at port +
04:06 stormchaser3000 =*
04:06 stormchaser3000 port =
04:06 us|0gb Sorry, not you. Dark_Soul needs to find that line.
04:07 Dark_Soul permission denide
04:07 us|0gb I don't know to compile on Windows.
04:07 Menche maybe i'll reboot into my windows installation and try
04:07 Menche or start up my windows vm
04:08 us|0gb Denied? I think you might have found the wrong file somehow, though I could be wrong. Open Terminal and type "gedit ~/.minetest/minetest.conf"/
04:08 Menche (my windows vm seems convinced that i pirated it, even though i used a valid key)
04:08 stormchaser3000 i could start my linux vm
04:08 stormchaser3000 and compile minetest from there
04:08 stormchaser3000 (fedora)
04:08 Dark_Soul ok it opened the config file
04:09 us|0gb Look for a line that begins with "port = ".
04:09 Dark_Soul ok
04:09 Dark_Soul it says 30000
04:09 Menche anyone know how to modify the header file search path?
04:10 us|0gb Menche, I don't know if this is what you need? http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/cpp/Search-Path.html
04:11 Menche i suppose i could add that to my C_FLAGS and CXX_FLAGS
04:11 us|0gb Dark_Soul, what does the line starting with "address = " say?
04:11 Dark_Soul its blank
04:11 stormchaser3000 ok how to make a server
04:12 Dark_Soul storm i got you there
04:12 Dark_Soul i can tell you how
04:12 Dark_Soul just let me finish with 0gb ok
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04:12 us|0gb THat means you haven't been loging in to localhost. Change that line to "address = localhost".
04:13 Dark_Soul ok
04:13 Dark_Soul ok done
04:13 Menche oh, the windoze build code uses BACKSLASHES in paths
04:13 Menche grrr
04:13 us|0gb Wait, close the Terminal running "minetest" before doing that, but leave the one running "minetestserver" up.
04:13 Dark_Soul ok
04:14 Dark_Soul ok
04:14 us|0gb Now hit control + s to save the file.
04:14 Dark_Soul already saved
04:14 us|0gb Open Minetest from your menu.
04:14 Dark_Soul ok
04:15 us|0gb Go to the Multiplayer tab.
04:15 Dark_Soul ok
04:15 us|0gb Does it have a field that says "localhost"?
04:16 Dark_Soul wait dude you made me close the 1 that had that version of minetest open
04:16 Dark_Soul i dont have multi player just servers
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04:17 us|0gb I don't think I'm understanding what you are seeing.
04:17 us|0gb How did you install Minetest?
04:18 us|0gb Did you find it in the Software Center?
04:18 Dark_Soul i went to this one thing of forums that i had to paste in the terminal
04:18 Dark_Soul n
04:18 Dark_Soul no
04:18 us|0gb Okay. Good.
04:19 Dark_Soul and it installed the latest version of minetest the unstable
04:20 us|0gb Okay, unstable. It looks like there's a changed from the stable version that I didn't know about.
04:20 Dark_Soul yea
04:20 Dark_Soul i hate unstable so much
04:20 us|0gb Go to the "server" tab then.
04:20 Dark_Soul ok
04:21 us|0gb Do you see a field that says "localhost"?
04:21 Dark_Soul no
04:21 stormchaser3000 itt will not say local host
04:21 Dark_Soul sorry i ment the cliet tab has all the server stuff on it but no its not there
04:22 us|0gb Oh, what? Sorry, the unstable Minetest is more different than I thought. Go to the "Client" tab.
04:22 us|0gb So it doesn't have "localhost" in the client tab either?
04:22 stormchaser3000 yep and still no local host
04:22 Dark_Soul no
04:23 stormchaser3000 do you tpe it in on the address bar
04:23 us|0gb Did you close the window with the configuration in it?
04:23 stormchaser3000 local host
04:23 stormchaser3000 or 127.0.0.1
04:24 stormchaser3000 is he trining to log into his own server
04:24 stormchaser3000 tehn use 127.0.0.1
04:24 Dark_Soul i know my own ip
04:24 stormchaser3000 instead of local host
04:24 Dark_Soul why not put that there
04:24 us|0gb Yeah, but right now I'm trying to figure out why his conf is disconnected from the game.
04:24 stormchaser3000 it won't work
04:25 us|0gb Dark_Soul, is the config file still open?
04:25 stormchaser3000 0gb
04:25 Dark_Soul hold on i think i fixed it
04:25 us|0gb Okay.
04:25 stormchaser3000 couldn't he just type in localhost or 127.0.0.1
04:25 stormchaser3000 on the adress bar
04:26 Dark_Soul yes thats what i did
04:26 stormchaser3000 ok
04:26 us|0gb Is it working now?
04:26 stormchaser3000 use 127.0.0.1
04:26 Dark_Soul nope
04:26 stormchaser3000 i can't get local host to work
04:26 Dark_Soul still this blank world no mods
04:26 us|0gb Is the config file still open?
04:26 Dark_Soul yes
04:27 us|0gb stormchaser3000, "local host" will not work because it's "localhost", not "local host". The space matters.
04:27 us|0gb Dark_Soul, close the config file.
04:27 Dark_Soul ok
04:27 us|0gb Then use the same command to reopen it.
04:27 Dark_Soul ok
04:27 Dark_Soul ok?
04:27 Dark_Soul done
04:28 us|0gb Look for the "address = " line. Does it still say "localhost"?
04:28 Dark_Soul yep
04:29 us|0gb And you had the Minetest window closed when you made the change, right?
04:29 Dark_Soul no hold on
04:29 Dark_Soul ok now i did
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04:30 us|0gb Close the config file and reopen it while Minetest is closed.
04:30 ndjdjksisksk hi
04:30 us|0gb Hello!
04:31 Dark_Soul yes i did
04:31 us|0gb And the address line still says localhost?
04:31 Dark_Soul ye
04:31 Dark_Soul yes
04:33 us|0gb Okay. Close the conf file and type "minetest" into Terminal.
04:33 Dark_Soul ok
04:34 Dark_Soul ok i see my ip at the bottom
04:34 us|0gb Something's off ...
04:35 us|0gb Okay, try logging in with your user name and password.
04:35 Dark_Soul i did its the blank world
04:36 ndjdjksisksk i am stormchaser3000 i had to timee out
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04:37 stormchaser3000 ok lol now i ccan us=se my new username
04:38 stormchaser3000 stormchaser3000
04:38 stormchaser3000 lol i used to use ndjdjksisksk
04:38 stormchaser3000 so hi
04:38 stormchaser3000 anyway how do i make a server
04:38 stormchaser3000 i have tried
04:38 stormchaser3000 but failed
04:39 Dark_Soul ummm this isnt good my players are joining and this is a blank world
04:39 cy1 Is there a switch circuit in mesecons? I was trying an RS latch, but if the input didn't last long enough it'd turn into a clock.
04:39 stormchaser3000 oh no
04:39 stormchaser3000 hey ddark can i join you server
04:40 Dark_Soul idc but you cant do anything its piont less
04:40 stormchaser3000 what is your ip
04:40 stormchaser3000 i know
04:40 stormchaser3000 and port
04:41 Dark_Soul the ip is the 75.131  one on server list
04:41 us|0gb So the world is still the old world, but only if you start it a certain way?
04:41 stormchaser3000 ok
04:41 cy1 Turns into a clock and lags the server I might add.
04:41 us|0gb Sorry, for the delay, my mother likes to tell stories.
04:41 Dark_Soul yes
04:42 Dark_Soul the way weir i have to be on for it to be up
04:42 us|0gb I don't see why this would be happening. I'm not sure I can debug this from afar. I'm sorry.
04:43 Dark_Soul its fine
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04:44 * Menche thinks he finally got a windows cross-compile build to work
04:44 stormchaser3000 how do i make a server
04:47 cy1 I just want to make an automatically feeding furnace...
04:48 us|0gb stormchaser3000, open Terminal and type "minetestserver".
04:49 cy1 Everything works, but when the final product chest fills up, it just starts spitting out entities.
04:50 us|0gb I imagine that is a pain.
04:50 us|0gb How are you feeding the furnace?
04:50 Menche stormchaser3000, did you ever get minetest-classic:next to build? I made a windows build that I tested successfully in wine: http://menche.us/files/minetest-1310.00-win32.zip
04:51 cy1 us|0gb: A blinky plant hits a filter which sends items from a chest through pipeworks.
04:52 us|0gb So there is an input chest and an output chest?
04:52 us|0gb *chest(s)
04:53 Menche someone on my old server made what he called a "quad-smelter"; it was 4 furnaces connected by pipeworks pipes that automatically balanced the smelting job across the furnaces.
04:53 cy1 us|0gb: yeah, two input actually one for fuel. Though the output could be that, if I was cooking coal for instance.
04:54 us|0gb cy1, with one raw material input chest, why does it overflow one output chest?
04:54 cy1 us|0gb: Perhaps people keep adding stuff to the input chest.
04:54 stormchaser3000 ok dark
04:55 stormchaser3000 what map are you puting up
04:55 stormchaser3000 ?
04:55 us|0gb So this isn't your own device, but a public device.
04:55 cy1 us|0gb: Sure, whatever. It's a theoretical at this point. I was going to make it public.
04:56 cy1 Menche: That's neat!
04:56 cy1 I'd like to see it, certainly.
04:56 VanessaE there it is.  HDX supports dan's castle+ mod.
04:56 VanessaE and now, I'm off to bed.
04:57 cy1 Bye VanessaE!
04:57 us|0gb Ah. Dealing with human stupidity/maliciousness/honest-error makes it harder. I'm going to have to fall back to my "needs new code" answer then.
04:58 us|0gb Honestly, that ode SHOULD be in there.
04:58 us|0gb *code
04:58 us|0gb Good night!
04:58 cy1 It'd be child's play to make chests and furnaces output digiline messages. The trouble is in getting permission.
04:58 Menche that old world is 670 MB in tar.xz format
04:59 Menche 100 more MB in zip
04:59 cy1 Also I have yet to find a working switch circuit with mesecons. :/
04:59 us|0gb cy1, I'd try to get permission. It seems like a critical functionality, not just for your intended purpose.
05:00 cy1 Oh hey lua controllers can store persistent memory. That'll work as a switch!
05:00 cy1 us|0gb: Sure, I'll submit a pull request maybe...
05:02 khonkhortisan I made a two-wire swapper based on side, haven't used it yet
05:04 us|0gb cy1, maybe talk to Jeija before writing the code. See if Jeija is even open to the idea.
05:05 cy1 Well jeija just made digilines so it probably is up for grabs
05:05 cy1 He might object to monkey patching them into default chests.
05:08 us|0gb Oh, I forgot the pipeworks things aren't tied to mesecons/digilines.
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05:08 us|0gb Pipeworks already monkey patched the chests, so I was thinking that wouldn't be an issue.
05:09 cy1 A digiline going to a controller could toggle a mesecon signal to stop the injectors if the chest is full.
05:10 khonkhortisan it's not an issue for two mods to override the same node, as long as they don't copy the whole node code.
05:10 us|0gb AH, right. The controller node. So maybe it would be pulled. I'm not sure.
05:10 khonkhortisan You have to read the node after it's loaded before changing a part it
05:10 cy1 Wonder what the "receptor" field is for. Jeija uses it not, and receives signals in the "effector" field <_<
05:10 us|0gb khonkhortisan, the second node overwrite removes the first though.
05:10 khonkhortisan if it does that, it's overwriting it incorrectly.
05:11 cy1 Yeah, the second node should keep the code from the first, and execute it when possible.
05:11 khonkhortisan If you are changing tiles, you don't have to re-write nodebox.
05:11 us|0gb to overwrite it "correctly", you have to use some hacky code to copy the array due to Minetest locking the array against modification.
05:11 khonkhortisan it should read registered_nodes directly
05:12 khonkhortisan that's a partial lock, against addition. modification is still allowed.
05:12 us|0gb You should be able to modify the array then pass it back to the registration function, but you can't do that.
05:12 cy1 hacky_swap_node is terrible and needs fixing.
05:12 us|0gb cy1, yes, it's even in the name.
05:13 khonkhortisan "When you assign a value to an absent index in a table, the interpreter looks for a __newindex metamethod"
05:13 us|0gb Addition needs to be allowed, it's needed as much as any other modification.
05:13 cy1 I don't like how nodes are registered, because that registry goes into a C structure inaccessible from the lua, so you can't even get at the data. IIRC at least
05:13 us|0gb cy1, there's an array of the node data in Lua.
05:14 khonkhortisan yeah
05:14 us|0gb minetest.registered_nodes[node.name]
05:14 cy1 I know, but changing that doesn't change the nodes in the game.
05:14 cy1 or something. I forget the exact issue.
05:14 us|0gb Right, you have to reregister it after that.
05:15 khonkhortisan minetest.registered_nodes[node.name].tiles = "myfile.png" should work, but minetest.registered_nodes[node.name].myvar = myvalue won't
05:15 khonkhortisan at least without a table copy
05:16 cy1 thus hacky_swap_node...
05:16 us|0gb Copying the table can only be doe one table item at a time, which is hacky.
05:16 khonkhortisan I thought that was for moving two nodes physically in the world
05:16 us|0gb *done
05:16 cy1 Uh, yeah. You're right. Now I'm really confused...
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05:28 cy1 I still say minetest needs a require system not dofile grumble
05:28 us|0gb WHat would be the difference?
05:29 Dark_Soul 0gb i jsut thought of something
05:29 us|0gb You could add "require = dofile" to make require() work, probably.
05:29 Dark_Soul cant i use the terminial t ogo to places like files?
05:30 us|0gb Terminal can't go places. Unless you mean the "cd" command.
05:30 us|0gb What do you mean?
05:31 cy1 us|0gb: The difference would be if you wanted to use someone else's module, you could get it without having to re-evaluate the file.
05:31 cy1 also namespaces
05:31 Dark_Soul yes well its opening another world a blank world right so its stored some whereso i jus tgo there and place all the world info in there and done i have the server back
05:31 cy1 dofile("something.lua"); something.foo() = BAD
05:31 us|0gb Namespaces are a wonderful feature, but I fail to see what they have to do with require.
05:31 cy1 local something = require("something.lua"); something.foo() = GOOD
05:32 VanessaE bah, so much for that idea.
05:32 cy1 With dofile a module has to define globals, hoping they're not defined elsewhere. With require you don't.
05:32 VanessaE sleep ain't happening.
05:32 us|0gb Okay, so not just require, but some packaging code.
05:32 cy1 packaging code...?
05:33 cy1 It's not dependency tracking persay. That's what depends.txt is.
05:33 us|0gb To package all the required file's code into a table.
05:33 us|0gb Dark_Soul, if you can find the world's data, that should work.
05:33 Dark_Soul ok
05:33 cy1 Well, not necessarily all its code. The local variables wouldn't be preserved. You could even do something like javascript does, and have the module set attributes of "exports" to get exports.
05:34 us|0gb Yes, but the point isn't that it needs to be required, it's that it need to be stored in a table. I used to require files all the time and they never ended up in arrays/tables.
05:35 us|0gb Require isn't the same in every language.
05:35 cy1 Every file in lua is implicitly wrapped in a function. dofile uses loadfile to load that function, and then just calls module(). So any file you can put "return 42" to return a value, which is then discarded by dofile.
05:35 us|0gb What needs to happen is that plugin writers need to wrap their cod in tables then.
05:35 cy1 I suppose.
05:36 cy1 Plugin writers need to write less globals.
05:36 cy1 And they can't because dofile requires that you do.
05:36 us|0gb I already do that, and many others do as well. But some lazy people don't.
05:36 us|0gb Globals can be stashed in a single global table.
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05:37 Dark_Soul whats the cd command now?
05:37 us|0gb This sounds like a "people need to write cleaner code" issue, not a "new feature needed" issue.
05:38 us|0gb Dark_Soul, cd lets you change the directory Terminal is acting on.
05:38 Dark_Soul ij how do i use it
05:38 us|0gb It probably won't help you right now.
05:38 Dark_Soul doesnt hurt to try
05:38 us|0gb Type "cd <directory name>".
05:38 Dark_Soul ok
05:39 us|0gb But it can only take you where you know you're going.
05:39 cy1 us|0gb: https://github.com/cyisfor/r​equire/blob/master/init.lua
05:40 cy1 How can you write cleaner code, when you always have to spell minetest "minetest" :p
05:41 us|0gb Asside from capitalization, is that not the correct spelling?
05:43 cy1 I might need it to be minetestModule, if I'm using the name minetest. It's more obvious with things like the "locks" global.
05:43 cy1 if locks ~= nil then locks = oops...
05:43 us|0gb Is your code supposed to evaluate only part of a file?
05:44 cy1 It is supposed to evaluate a file only once, and not just throw away its return value.
05:44 us|0gb I was unaware files had return values in Lua.
05:45 cy1 They do. dofile just discards it. loadfile will return a function, which encapsulates the code in the file.
05:45 cy1 sadly this function cannot take arguments.
05:45 us|0gb Maybe that's why I didn't understand what you wanted.
05:45 cy1 (you can return a function that taes arguments though)
05:45 us|0gb So what does a file's return value tell you?
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05:54 cy1 You can put a  "return" statement in your file us|0gb. Otherwise it's just nil.
05:55 cy1 Really I'm quibbling over semantics, and require works as a module so idk
05:56 us|0gb Okay, I thought a return statement terminated the file and the value was not returned.
05:56 cy1 It was returned, just discarded by dofile.
05:56 us|0gb I'm not sure how to make that useful though, even if we could capture that value.
05:57 Dark_Soul wow finding this file is hard
05:57 us|0gb Dark_Soul, try shutting down the server. Then open Terminal and type "minetest".
05:57 Dark_Soul ok
05:57 cy1 us|0gb: Well, what I do is var mod = require('somemod','something') where the return value is... yeah
05:58 us|0gb You said you can join the correct world when the server is off, right? Do it. We'll make Terminal tell us where the file is.
05:58 Dark_Soul ok
05:58 Dark_Soul no open it the way where i cna join the correct world right
05:59 Dark_Soul now
05:59 us|0gb Yeah, but what useful value could we return that wouldn't be better of in one of the global tables?
05:59 us|0gb Right.
05:59 Dark_Soul ok hold on
06:00 Dark_Soul ok i just started the server the right way
06:00 Dark_Soul next
06:00 us|0gb Pastbin the output from Terminal.
06:00 Dark_Soul ummmm
06:01 Dark_Soul i would have to get it out of the debug cuase i dont get anythign ong my terminal i never run my server threw the terminal
06:02 us|0gb Run "minetest" in Terminal, then go to your world. That wy, there will be Terminal output.
06:02 us|0gb *way
06:02 Dark_Soul ok
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06:06 Dark_Soul http://pastebin.com/Vkf0yc8w
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06:08 us|0gb That output is just trippy ... THe Minetest logo never showed up?
06:09 Dark_Soul no
06:09 Dark_Soul cuase i have t obe one to start the right server and that doesnt show on the terminal
06:10 us|0gb I think your world might be in the Twilight Zone.
06:10 us|0gb When I start a world in the client, I still get the Minetest logo.
06:10 Dark_Soul in the what
06:10 us|0gb In Terminal.
06:10 Dark_Soul i do to but in th edebug
06:10 Dark_Soul here hold on
06:11 us|0gb The Terminal output should match the debug.txt output, last I knew.
06:12 Menche what's all the CXFileReader messages there?
06:13 Dark_Soul here hold onhttp://pastebin.com/npRC9Wny
06:13 Dark_Soul http://pastebin.com/npRC9Wny
06:13 us|0gb More Twilight Zone data, I assume, Menche.
06:13 us|0gb I found your world.
06:14 Dark_Soul that is the original world
06:14 Dark_Soul wait a min
06:14 Dark_Soul i just relized something
06:14 us|0gb It's in the ~/minetest directory.
06:14 Dark_Soul hold give me a sec
06:14 us|0gb It should be in the ~/.minetest directory.
06:15 Menche there's both a minetest and a .minetest folder? that could get confusing.
06:15 us|0gb I think whatever command you used to install it is bugged up and made the client read from ~/minetest and the server read from ~/.minetest.
06:16 us|0gb At least we're mostly back to the world of reality now. A fix should be but a file move away now.
06:17 Menche great. my windows installation suddenly decided that it was pirated.
06:17 us|0gb Try running "mv ~/minetest/worlds/DarkNess ~/.minetest/worlds" in Terminal.
06:17 Dark_Soul pl
06:18 us|0gb Opps, first delete the blank world.
06:18 Dark_Soul ok
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06:18 us|0gb Menche, time for new wallpaper: http://gallery.techcode.org/albums/album13/​ms_windows_xp_pirated_edition_1024x768.jpg
06:19 Menche it reset my wallpaper to plain black in it's temper tantrum :(
06:19 Dark_Soul it did nothing
06:20 * Menche ponders whether or not to download M$ spyware in order to try to fix that
06:20 us|0gb Dark_Soul, try "minetestserver --worldname DarkNess", then log in. It should work this time.
06:20 us|0gb What spyware would fix that?
06:21 Dark_Soul well it loaded a ton of stuff
06:21 Dark_Soul so i think it worked
06:21 us|0gb Okay, good.
06:21 Menche microsoft validation stuff
06:21 us|0gb !next
06:21 MinetestBot Another satisfied customer. Next!
06:21 * Menche isn't sure he wants to know what it is installing right now
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06:22 us|0gb I would want to know what is on my system.
06:22 Menche yeah
06:22 Dark_Soul crap XD
06:22 us|0gb That's why whenever I see a file I don't know anything about, I delete it.
06:22 us|0gb What happened?
06:22 Dark_Soul everythign changed to unkown
06:23 us|0gb Okay, that's fixable. Shut down the server.
06:23 Dark_Soul its the correct world but didnt load any mods
06:23 us|0gb Are the "mods" in ~/.minetest/mods?
06:23 Dark_Soul yes
06:24 Dark_Soul all where they belong
06:24 us|0gb Open Minetest again.
06:24 Dark_Soul it is
06:24 Dark_Soul minetest
06:24 us|0gb Do you see your world in the server tab?
06:25 Dark_Soul i shut it down
06:25 Dark_Soul cuase you said to
06:25 us|0gb No, I mean in the local server tab, not the client tab. We want it shut down while you do this.
06:26 Dark_Soul ok
06:26 Dark_Soul hold on
06:26 us|0gb Is it on the list though?
06:26 Dark_Soul no
06:26 * Menche wonders why BlockMen is porting so many minecraft features verbatim
06:26 Dark_Soul the copyis
06:26 Menche he's making a nether mod that is almost exactly the same
06:26 us|0gb What copy?
06:26 Dark_Soul the back up
06:27 us|0gb The back up is on your server list?
06:27 Dark_Soul i copied it right be for we started this i haven moved it to a drive yet
06:28 us|0gb Yeah, your client and server are indeed reading from different places. Whatever command you ran to install it didn't install it correctly.
06:29 Dark_Soul well so the server is lost?
06:29 us|0gb No, but it might be good to remove Minetest and reinstall it correctly later.
06:29 Dark_Soul ok
06:30 us|0gb I'm looking up what we need now to fix the world.
06:30 Dark_Soul ok
06:30 us|0gb Okay, we'll do this the hard way. Open Terminal and type "gedit ~/.minetest/worlds/DarkNess/world.mt".
06:30 Dark_Soul ok
06:30 Dark_Soul was kicked by ShadowBot: Repetition flood detected.
06:31 us|0gb Really, ShadowBot?
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06:31 Dark_Soul ??? what i didnt ever type anything
06:31 us|0gb Sorry about that. ShadowBot is misbehaving a bit.
06:31 Dark_Soul ok
06:32 Dark_Soul ok type what now?
06:32 us|0gb Pastebin the text that came up.
06:32 Dark_Soul o
06:32 Dark_Soul i didnt even get ot read what you said before i got kicked
06:32 us|0gb Okay, we'll do this the hard way. Open Terminal and type "gedit ~/.minetest/worlds/DarkNess/world.mt".
06:33 Dark_Soul lol well no need to paste it
06:33 Dark_Soul gameid = minetest
06:33 Dark_Soul thats it
06:33 us|0gb Vary your responses a bit. Shadowbot got mad that you kept saying "ok".
06:34 Dark_Soul oic
06:34 us|0gb THat ...'s it?
06:34 Dark_Soul yea
06:35 us|0gb Are you wanting all the "mods" you put in ~/.minetest/mods to be installed to this world, or only some of them?
06:35 Dark_Soul all
06:36 us|0gb Type "ls ~/.minetest/mods" into terminal to get a list of them.
06:36 Dark_Soul but i still want them where i can mess wit hthem cuase one is my mod and its the only copy and im still working on it
06:36 us|0gb They'll still be editable.
06:36 Dark_Soul ok good
06:37 us|0gb The developers just recently made it harder to install them. It's a way better system, but less newbie friendly.
06:37 Dark_Soul no such file
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06:38 us|0gb Okay, run "mv ~/minetest/mods ~/.minetest".
06:38 Dark_Soul said nothing
06:39 Dark_Soul ok
06:39 Dark_Soul they are all where they need to be
06:39 us|0gb Next run "minetestserver --worldname DarkNess", let it load, then shut it down.
06:40 Dark_Soul ok done
06:41 us|0gb Go back to the text window that just had "gameid = minetest".
06:41 us|0gb Does it ask to reload?
06:41 Dark_Soul ok
06:41 Dark_Soul no cuase i closed it but now it has alot of stuff
06:42 us|0gb Okay, everywhere that it says "false" should be changed to "true".
06:42 us|0gb Each one controls whether one of the "mods" loads or not.
06:43 Dark_Soul ummmm i just checked where i always have my mods at and the whole mod file is gone
06:43 us|0gb THat's because you had it in the wrong place. You moved it to the right place.
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06:43 Dark_Soul o ok
06:44 us|0gb They are at ~/.minetest/mods
06:44 Dark_Soul ok
06:44 us|0gb Note the dot in that name.
06:44 Dark_Soul yes
06:44 us|0gb Try starting the server and seeing if it works now.
06:44 Dark_Soul well ok i changed them all
06:44 Dark_Soul kk
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06:47 Dark_Soul perfect
06:47 Dark_Soul so I dont have to be on at all times anymore right?
06:49 us|0gb Right. This will be permanent unless you undo some of it.
06:50 us|0gb You may want to fix your Minetest installation though. What command did you use to install it?
06:50 Dark_Soul ok
06:50 Dark_Soul idk VanessaE gave it to me
06:50 * VanessaE hides
06:50 Dark_Soul lol
06:51 us|0gb Hmm. Well that's not very nice of her to hand out bugged up commands.
06:51 us|0gb VanessaE, did it install it as a package?
06:51 VanessaE what bugged command?
06:51 Dark_Soul -.- i will not piont fingers ....... VanessaE did it! :P
06:52 VanessaE us|0gb: likely I pointed him to the nightlies PPA
06:52 us|0gb The one to install Minetest. It made the server read from ~/.minetest but the client read from ~/minetest
06:52 us|0gb Hmm. THat's odd indeed.
06:52 VanessaE he's probably running two separate copies - an old run-in-place build and a system-wide build from the ppa
06:53 us|0gb Dark_Soul, in Terminal, type "ls ~/.local/share/applications".
06:53 Dark_Soul ok
06:53 us|0gb Does it list minetest.desktop?
06:53 Dark_Soul nope
06:54 Dark_Soul mimeapps.list
06:54 Dark_Soul thats what it gave me
06:54 Menche if it's installed from the ppa, wouldn't it be in /usr/share/applications ?
06:54 us|0gb Menche, yeah, unless it was the stray run-in-place copy.
06:56 us|0gb Dark_Soul, one last time, type "minetest" in Terminal.
06:56 Dark_Soul ok
06:56 Dark_Soul ok
06:56 Dark_Soul im there
06:56 us|0gb Are you able to see your world in the server list or is it the backup copy still?
06:57 Dark_Soul i see my world
06:58 us|0gb VanessaE is right. You have an extra copy of Minetest.
06:58 us|0gb Do you have an admin account on your computer?
06:58 Menche should probably remove the "minetest" folder (without the dot)
06:58 Dark_Soul only 1 account and thats mine  so im on it
06:59 Dark_Soul so what do i need to do
06:59 us|0gb Type "gksudo gedit /usr/share/applications/minetest.desktop".
06:59 us|0gb Look for a line that begins with "exec".
06:59 us|0gb Oh, and you'll need your password for that command.
07:00 Dark_Soul ok yea i all ready bput it in
07:00 Dark_Soul ok i see that line
07:00 us|0gb WHat does that line say?
07:01 Dark_Soul Minetest
07:01 us|0gb This is case sensitive. Is it capitalized like that?
07:01 Dark_Soul yes
07:01 us|0gb Change it to lower case and save.
07:02 Dark_Soul ok
07:02 us|0gb Someone capitalized whatever Minetest you had before.
07:02 Dark_Soul wait what the
07:02 us|0gb Hmm? WHat?
07:02 Dark_Soul now its lower
07:02 us|0gb Before you changed it?
07:03 Dark_Soul yes
07:03 Dark_Soul anyway
07:03 Dark_Soul what now
07:03 us|0gb Oh... 'kay. I don't know why the icon is not working but the command is then.
07:04 Dark_Soul ok
07:04 Dark_Soul btw where do i go to mess with the mods cuase i have to turn off falling snow
07:04 Dark_Soul its crashing
07:04 us|0gb Go to your file manager.
07:05 us|0gb Hit control + h.
07:05 us|0gb That will let you see files you normally can't.
07:05 us|0gb Then you'll be able to go to .minetest.
07:05 us|0gb .minetest/mods
07:06 Dark_Soul file manager?
07:06 us|0gb How did you get to the files before?
07:06 Dark_Soul sorry im half asleep its 3 in the morning
07:06 us|0gb No worries.
07:06 Dark_Soul going to the home folder
07:07 us|0gb YOu probably opened the home folder in the file manager.
07:07 us|0gb Go to the home folder anf hit control + h.
07:07 Dark_Soul idk maby i jsut go to the side bar and click home folder
07:07 us|0gb That will let you see the .minetest directory.
07:07 us|0gb Yeah, that's your file manger.
07:09 VanessaE ok I'm gonna try to sleep again.  night.
07:09 Dark_Soul i found .minetest
07:09 us|0gb Good night. Best of luck!
07:09 us|0gb In .minetest is mods.
07:09 Dark_Soul bye
07:09 Dark_Soul ok i see it
07:09 us|0gb THat's where they are.
07:09 Dark_Soul and finally lets do that auto restart agian
07:10 us|0gb Are you asking for the code again or commenting on your next action?
07:10 Dark_Soul code plz
07:11 us|0gb My scroll back doesn't go back that far. Let's see if it's in my browser history.
07:12 Dark_Soul ok
07:13 us|0gb Run this to start the server, not while it's already running: http://pastebin.com/fNnEetYG
07:13 Dark_Soul ok
07:16 Dark_Soul well it ran the server
07:19 Dark_Soul now if it typed /shutdown on the server would it start right back up?
07:19 us|0gb Yes it would.
07:20 Dark_Soul ok great
07:20 Dark_Soul well im going to test it real quit then im going to bed
07:20 Dark_Soul well it worked perfectly
07:20 Dark_Soul thanks for all of you tiem and help 0gb
07:21 Dark_Soul time
07:21 us|0gb Okay, great. Good night!
07:21 us|0gb Yeah, any time.
07:21 Dark_Soul :D night all you are just siting there watching this noob fail lol
07:21 us|0gb We all had to get started at some point.
07:21 us|0gb Oops, too late.
07:22 us|0gb G'night!
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08:34 JamesTait Good morning all; happy Bald And Free Day! :-D
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09:25 Nocte What's up?
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10:41 john_minetest Hello everypony
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10:47 * john_minetest suddenly realizes that he is very clever: https://forum.minetest.net/vi​ewtopic.php?pid=60197#p60197
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10:56 jojoa1997 Oh no https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7425
10:57 jojoa1997 Anyways hi
11:24 john_minetest oh no! he's back
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13:32 rotcaer o/
13:43 Exio4 \o/ rotcaer
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13:55 Nocte Whoa... o.o You can be sent to jail for a sarcastic joke. WTF?
13:55 Nocte http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nc_4XpbK72o
13:55 Exio4 https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4456 lol
13:57 VanessaE hi all
13:57 Nocte America confuses me sometimes. :|
13:58 VanessaE america confuses me all the time - and I was born and raised here.
13:58 rotcaer o/ VanessaE
13:58 Nocte "We gotta hunt down this guy for making a sarcastic joke!" "But sir, there is rising criminal activity right in the next town." "FUCK THAT! Now shut up."
13:58 Nocte Hehe.
14:02 Nocte Any crazy shit going around the news? :p
14:02 VanessaE nothing that hasn't been going on for weeks now :)
14:03 Nocte Aww. :p
14:06 Nocte Any of you watched AVGN?
14:06 VanessaE ?
14:07 VanessaE not familiar
14:08 Nocte Angry Video Game Nerd over at Cinemassacre.
14:09 Nocte http://cinemassacre.com/ca​tegory/avgn/avgnepisodes/ <- there...
14:09 Nocte Lots of foul language and ranting about bad video games.
14:10 Nocte They manage to keep it funny.
14:10 VanessaE I'll pass
14:12 Nocte Also: He's been making a movie.
14:12 Nocte Of AVGN.
14:13 Nocte Any of you guys got Pokémon X/Y?
14:13 VanessaE not into pokemon
14:13 Nocte They really made some improvements to the game thing: Character customization, mega form Pokés, 3D all around... :D
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14:19 Nocte Man... The 3DS XL looks like a beast. o.o
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14:31 rotcaer Nocte: I remember when I was in elementary school Pokemon was all the rage
14:32 rotcaer I mean, eh. What's the matter with that stuff? How come kids were zombified by it?
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14:41 VanessaE no clue
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14:56 VanessaE why was that set?
14:56 messa4 sdfsd
14:57 Jordach ...that
14:57 VanessaE we see you now, messa4
14:57 messa4 when u will add living animals and monsters?
14:57 messa4 to default windows build?
14:57 VanessaE there are mods that handle that.
14:57 messa4 but it require some hacking and not official build etc
14:58 VanessaE they'll be added to the default install only after the handling of mobs becomes stable and lag-free
14:58 messa4 hard to get that for user that can use computer liek 1 hour per week
14:58 zat installing mod is not a hacking
14:58 VanessaE hacking? no
14:58 VanessaE mods are officially supported by minetest.  that's just how it works.
14:58 VanessaE if you can copy a folder, you can install a mod.
14:58 messa4 please add monsters to official build
14:58 messa4 thx
14:59 messa4 and armies of skeletons
14:59 pitriss messa4: if you make mobs lag free..
14:59 messa4 like waves of enemies
14:59 VanessaE all you have to do is unzip the mod, copy it's folder to where it belongs, rename it if necessary, and choose the mod in your world's configure menu.
14:59 VanessaE no, I don't think we'll ever add skeletons.
14:59 messa4 officla mods are working with default(!) windows version?
14:59 VanessaE those are a minecraft thing, we don't need them.
14:59 VanessaE all mods work with all current builds of minetest.
14:59 messa4 thx
15:00 VanessaE where current = not old.
15:00 messa4 VanessaE: so goblins
15:00 messa4 or skeletons but with swords
15:00 VanessaE as in nightly builds.
15:00 VanessaE no skeletons.
15:00 VanessaE goblins?  why?
15:00 messa4 so goblins
15:00 VanessaE we have other monsters.
15:00 messa4 like what? neve seen that mod
15:00 zat messa4: you can contact the authors of mobs mods and ask them.
15:01 Jordach let the man speak
15:01 VanessaE we have oerkkis, dungeon masters, sand/dirt/stone monsters, there's a mod that provides what's called a vombie, and there's a slimes mod also.
15:01 Jordach goblins are original
15:01 zat slimes? oh good >///<
15:01 messa4 VanessaE: sand/drit/stone monsters = GOLEM :)
15:01 zat they rape you too=
15:01 zat ?
15:01 VanessaE messa4: sand, dirt, and stone - three separate monsters.
15:01 VanessaE also there's a mod that adds mummies
15:01 messa4 no no
15:02 VanessaE and attacking NPCs
15:02 VanessaE fuck, there are a ton of mods that add enemies
15:02 messa4 u must create official mod with monsters
15:02 messa4 just one
15:02 messa4 instead biullions of unstable mods from some evil hackers
15:02 messa4 who will install rootkit on computer
15:02 pitriss lol.. must is not correct word
15:02 messa4 etc
15:02 VanessaE like pitriss and I already said, if you can come up with a fast, low-CPU lagless creatures mod, do it.
15:02 Jordach cheap fucking piece of shit mouse
15:02 VanessaE THESE ARE NOT HACKERS.
15:03 Jordach i've already broke LMB when my travelmouse hasn't :(
15:03 messa4 VanessaE: its simple
15:03 VanessaE MINETEST MODS ARE OFFICIALLY SUPPORTED AND SANCTIONED BY THE MINETEST ENGINE.
15:03 VanessaE OKAY!?
15:03 Jordach !deop VanessaE
15:03 Jordach you can have it back later
15:03 VanessaE shush, Jordach. :)
15:03 Jordach nope.avi
15:03 VanessaE I wasn't gonna use it.
15:03 Jordach free speech biatch
15:04 messa4 VanessaE: put monsters to separate thread and use "time frames" to move them. lets say once every 20ms. in that way it will not cause high cpu load, becasue there will be free time every frame. u know like in all lcomputer games
15:04 Jordach messa4, that is done in-engine
15:04 VanessaE mods already have such a feature.
15:04 messa4 so why its lagging?
15:04 VanessaE the problem isn't when they're moved.  the problem is that they're server-side.
15:04 Jordach because the engines code to make the mobs is bad
15:05 pitriss messa4: and anout rootkit.. all sources are public so you can review them before usage, so no rootkits possible:)
15:05 VanessaE the code runs on the server, not the client.
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15:05 VanessaE if the server is far away, there will be lots of network lag.  this will cause mobs to lag.
15:06 messa4 but why its laggy? all u need is "id of monster" x,y,z, hp_left, state. thats ike just 5 varibles per 20ms needed for server/client
15:06 Jordach also cause
15:06 VanessaE anything past that is high server CPU usage, which will also be perceived as lag.  high CPU usage is usually a sign of bad code.
15:06 zat also... rootkit from a userspace lua script?
15:06 zat w000000000t
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15:06 messa4 zat: its possible in javascript so why not lua or perl etc
15:06 VanessaE messa4: have you ever browsed the web to a slow website that doesn't respond right away?
15:06 pitriss zat: thats second part of it, but.. I don't think he will understand this:D
15:06 messa4 VanessaE: like laggy JS sites? yes!
15:06 Jordach cmon you motherfucker, install my damn drivers
15:07 VanessaE no not like laggy js site
15:07 VanessaE answer the damn question.
15:07 messa4 like high latency site? yes
15:07 messa4 like web over tor
15:07 VanessaE yes.
15:07 VanessaE that's minetest lag.
15:07 VanessaE same exact cause.
15:07 messa4 send monsters movment over udp
15:07 Jordach finally - mouse is capable of withstanding my clicks
15:08 pitriss messa4: all traffic between mt server client is UDP
15:08 pitriss *and
15:08 messa4 so make server to be asynchronous - dont wait for monster packet, just use the pack IF ITS there.
15:08 VanessaE your browser takes time to process your clicks (you punch a monster), the network takes time to send that info to the server, the server takes too long to process your request (kill the monster), the network takes time to send the data to your web browser (minetest client)
15:08 messa4 its its not there - skip to avoid lag
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15:09 VanessaE the result is your web page takes a long time to load (your minetest client takes a long time to acknowledge that the monster was killed)
15:09 zat messa4: try to synchronize the positions and actions of 50+ mobs, with 10+ players, all at unknown/variable distance and different networks. While making all the actions server-validated to avoid cheating.
15:09 messa4 zat: it can be done [all mmo games] hehe
15:09 VanessaE there is no way to fix this without running a browser plugin or script (minetest runs a client-side mod)
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15:10 zat messa4: I forgot to add, from a lua mod without touching the core code.
15:10 messa4 that monster logic is written in lua or C?
15:10 messa4 ah
15:10 VanessaE and when you run a script or plugin in your browser, you open up security holes (minetest clients can be caused to cheat the server)
15:10 messa4 BTW
15:11 messa4 I added language=en. AND ITS STILL IN FRENCH
15:11 Jordach messa4, minetest uses Operating System's language
15:11 Jordach change that to change minetest's
15:11 messa4 how to get it in english?
15:12 messa4 u are telling me that i cant get english version if im usign chinese or french windows?
15:12 messa4 this is retarded
15:12 Jordach change the language settings in your chosen operating system to english to get an english minetest
15:12 messa4 u cant
15:12 messa4 its impossible to chnge launguage in windows
15:12 VanessaE if you can't deal with it, either HELP FIX IT or go play minecraft.
15:12 zat of course it is possible, you just have to hack it a bit :D!
15:13 messa4 no no
15:13 messa4 launguage its hard coded into windows base. thats why they are making so much $$$. french windows is diffrent to chnese windows etc
15:13 messa4 diffrent binaries
15:13 messa4 there are no lang files like in linux
15:14 messa4 so they have 150 customers [150 countries] instead 1 version
15:14 zat that is why I said the “hack” bit
15:14 messa4 also minetest is laggy
15:14 Jordach Control Panel -> Region and Language -> Keyboard and Languages -> Change Language -> Default input language -> English (United States)
15:14 messa4 on this pc
15:14 messa4 yOU CANT
15:14 messa4 Input is not display launGUAGE
15:14 messa4 GOD
15:14 messa4 Jordach: please
15:15 messa4 go to algeria
15:15 messa4 and try to do it in caffe
15:15 messa4 It will not work
15:15 pitriss messa4: as VanessaE told you before, if something is not working in MT, it is open source project, you can send pull request with a fix
15:15 messa4 input launugauge its just for input
15:15 messa4 ok
15:15 messa4 i need to go :(
15:15 VanessaE bye
15:15 zat kisses
15:16 messa4 pleas add launguage choose in menu or some command line flag to enfore english
15:16 pitriss zat: lol
15:16 messa4 i will be in cafe maybe later
15:16 messa4 but its expensive
15:16 pitriss send patch:)
15:16 messa4 not easy
15:16 messa4 its hard to use french windows and firefox etc
15:16 messa4 try it. painful
15:17 zat try purchasing a computer
15:17 zat and internet
15:17 zat i did that !
15:17 messa4 dont have electricity at place where i live
15:17 pitriss zat: +1
15:17 zat try to purchase electricity!
15:17 messa4 there is light
15:17 messa4 but nt sockets
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15:17 zat install some technic solar panel
15:17 messa4 right
15:17 messa4 americans
15:17 messa4 and their ideas
15:17 messa4 see u
15:18 zat americans...
15:18 zat I hope you are not meaning USAns!
15:18 JamesTait http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/interviews/​383494/sol-the-300-solar-powered-laptop
15:18 Dark_Soul hmmm
15:18 messa4 james
15:18 messa4 go to algeria
15:18 messa4 to desert
15:18 messa4 go to caffe
15:18 messa4 with arabic windows and firefox
15:18 messa4 and try to buy something form ebay
15:18 messa4 good luck
15:18 zat I am going as soon as I can
15:18 zat wait for me
15:18 messa4 even google is ENFGORCING arabic for u
15:18 messa4 and paypal etc
15:18 messa4 impossiblet o read and use stuff
15:19 messa4 like minecraft hehe
15:19 zat enforcing?
15:19 messa4 yup
15:19 zat cannot you just change language?
15:19 messa4 i try. then it go back after while
15:19 messa4 becasue of OS settings +location detection. retarded
15:19 zat cookies?
15:19 messa4 same on paypal
15:19 messa4 amazon etc
15:19 zat it is not retarded
15:19 pitriss messa: OMFG if you don't like somethjing code it.. you are talking as you are skilled enough.. show us your code, talk is so cheap
15:19 zat imagine people from not english speaking countries, having all in english by default
15:20 messa4 zat: thats why there shuold be ALways visiable and easy way to change launguage in all sites or applications. enforcing and guessing the user launguage is retarded
15:20 messa4 go to algeria desert u will see hehehe
15:20 messa4 at least i can use putty lol
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15:20 rotcaer o/
15:20 messa4 and lynx
15:21 zat guessing the language is not retarded, is a first step
15:21 messa4 [server in usa]
15:21 zat come on....
15:21 VanessaE messa4:  if you can't deal with it, either HELP FIX IT or go play minecraft.
15:21 messa4 VanessaE: i cant play it
15:21 messa4 menu its in french
15:21 VanessaE then HELP FIX IT.
15:21 messa4 cant fix it. no computer
15:21 rotcaer French. :(
15:21 VanessaE buy one.
15:21 VanessaE computers are cheap.
15:21 messa4 BUAHAHAHHA
15:21 messa4 IN USA
15:21 zat I can understand some french.... though I never officially learned it
15:22 zat maybe because I am hispanic?
15:22 zat :)
15:22 VanessaE buy a gasoline generator if you have no electricity
15:22 pitriss messa4: in europe too..
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15:22 messa4 in algeria, marocco etc - buying old used cmputerl ike pentium 4 with 512mb ram is like 2weeks wages
15:22 messa4 thats why i ahte americans
15:22 messa4 and english ppl
15:22 messa4 they dont travel
15:22 messa4 and they dont knopw anything about real world
15:22 zat that is terrible generalization
15:22 VanessaE messa4: your situation is not unique.  I have seen examples of some pretty creative methods of getting electricity to run personal electronics, including computers, in some of the remotest, back-woods parts of the world.
15:23 zat plus you called me american
15:23 messa4 VanessaE: that its easy
15:23 zat and most american people is hispanic anyway
15:23 VanessaE if they can do it, so can you...and you have access to an internet cafe to help.
15:23 pitriss messa4: so move to better country and stop crying here and blame ppl from america
15:24 zat Not to begin an argument, but just to clarify: http://www.usaisnotamerica.com/
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15:24 messa4 VanessaE: in uk i had plenty microcnotrolers that run from sun etc. but when u are far from home. even things like buing simple transistor or mcu is HARD. u cant just go to internet and order stuff from ebay. transport is expensive and most sites will display u stuff in arabic or french[enforcing it]
15:24 messa4 so for buying one transistor of cost 1c u will pay in the end 50$
15:24 VanessaE messa4: if you can chat, you can code.
15:24 VanessaE HELP FIX THE ISSUE or quiet down.
15:24 messa4 pitriss: i dont blame u. im just saying that americans are dumb
15:25 VanessaE I hapoen to be an American, and I am sure as hell not dumb.
15:25 VanessaE happen*
15:25 zat Messa4: http://www.usaisnotamerica.com/
15:25 messa4 anyway. nic to talking with u
15:25 messa4 keep working on minetest
15:26 zat thanks for all the nice motivation you just brought, they will sure work even harder now!!!!
15:26 pitriss messa4: I'm european.. lol, but i don'ŧ like your atitude.. demanding this and that.. using "you must" instead of "please is it possible"
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15:26 VanessaE messa4: if you can chat, you can code.  HELP FIX THE ISSUE.
15:26 messa4 and im serious. go for year to some far country. u will learn a lot. for example why its important to have abality to choose launugage or why software must be fast [minetst IS DOING THAT:)] buecasue some people cant just buy or borrow better machine :)
15:26 pitriss VanessaE: +1
15:27 zat messa4: far, far from where?
15:27 zat how can a country be considered far?
15:27 pitriss messa4: i learned english by selfstudy, you can do it too!! try it!
15:27 messa4 zat: for example go to some remote village in chile, or to algeria [far from big city] or to Mauretania etc
15:27 zat messa4: there is electricity and internet in all Chile, did I tell you I am from Chile?
15:27 messa4 but most americans just dont get it :(
15:28 pitriss zat: LOL
15:28 messa4 see
15:28 messa4 exactly whgat im talkinbg about
15:28 zat Chile is far from America (now that all like to call USA that)
15:28 zat :))))))))))))
15:28 messa4 u just dont understand how the world works. stupid americans and english and dutch [rich and retarded]. but i spent 5 years in uk and it fuckin sucks
15:29 messa4 see u rich boys
15:29 messa4 good luck
15:29 messa4 go to jungle
15:29 messa4 and try to order the pizza or check facebook
15:29 VanessaE messa4: I am from the USA.  Not all of us are dumb.
15:29 Jordach messa4, shush i like in the United Kingdom
15:29 messa4 then u will learn
15:29 jojoa1997 hi
15:29 Jordach live*
15:29 messa4 i know
15:29 messa4 im sorry
15:29 messa4 was kicked by VanessaE: messa4
15:29 zat now I understand why you were muted messa4
15:29 pitriss VanessaE: shooot!:D
15:29 VanessaE that's enough.
15:29 zat damn flash kick!
15:30 pitriss VanessaE: thanks:)
15:30 jojoa1997 what happened
15:30 Jordach VanessaE, /query Jordach kick <nick>
15:30 VanessaE Jordach: just another loudmouth.
15:30 zat AAAAAAAAAAA
15:30 Jordach AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
15:30 Jordach two can play that :D
15:32 rotcaer Uh.
15:32 rotcaer You banned my alter ego.
15:32 zat Why doesn’t anybody help me test the SQL ROllback!!!!!!
15:33 rotcaer zat: I would like to, but I'm unsure if it will compile here.
15:33 zat why not rotcaer
15:34 rotcaer I'm already multitasking.
15:34 zat uh
15:34 rotcaer I could look at it idk... closer to the weekend?
15:34 zat D:!
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15:34 rotcaer Oh, also, I forgot to say hi.
15:34 zat I will find someone else during the week I guess
15:34 zat hi
15:35 zat I just need someone to test it with a h00g rollback.txt
15:35 zat mine is just 1.1gb
15:35 rotcaer Good. Well, eh. I probably will have some time tomorrow.
15:35 rotcaer woah 1.1gb
15:35 rotcaer that's some disk space
15:35 zat you think it is big?
15:35 zat The resulting sqlite file after migrating was 580mb though.
15:35 rotcaer 1 GB is big for an ASCII file.
15:36 VanessaE rotcaer: who banned what alter-ego?
15:36 zat that sure is a bit of optimization
15:36 Jordach !unban reactor
15:37 Jordach feel free :D
15:37 rotcaer VanessaE: well, I was that messa4 guy.
15:37 Jordach rotcaer, damn
15:37 rotcaer Just kidding.
15:37 Jordach haha
15:37 VanessaE rotcaer: hah
15:38 rotcaer I do like the idea of sockpuppets, though.
15:40 Jordach s/sock/cock
15:40 * Jordach runs
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15:42 rotcaer That creepy silence moment before you realise your connection has farted.
15:42 rotcaer s/mom/a mom/
15:42 rotcaer My ISP are fgts.
15:43 VanessaE heh
15:44 rotcaer Russian telecommunications companies are, in general.
15:45 rotcaer Speaking of which. Borat.
15:46 rotcaer the village he came from is sperical Russian glubinka in vaccuum
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15:51 sfan5 Jordach: I'm busy watching animes
15:51 rotcaer cartoons, the proper term is
15:52 rotcaer First you borrow their words, then they come and screw your place.
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15:57 webdesigner97 hi
15:57 VanessaE hi
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16:13 zat rotcaer: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/anime
16:13 rotcaer I see.
16:14 rotcaer Japanese cartoons. I don't see why they won't be selling our kids on slave market.
16:15 VanessaE you ever watch classic transformers?  the old G1 series I mean
16:15 rotcaer Don't our cultures have own stuff? Why let fhem invade?
16:16 VanessaE each culture has media specific to that culture, but there's nothing at all wrong with some cross-sharing.  The Japanese make some good, nice stuff.
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16:17 rotcaer I've seen an article on how Japanese fiction renders children socially inept.
16:17 VanessaE no moreso than any other media would.
16:17 VanessaE from any other country
16:18 VanessaE you want your children to be smart?  TEACH THEM TO BE!
16:18 sfan5 ^
16:18 VanessaE don't blame TV for your own failings as a parent (this is not directed at you, rotcaer)
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16:26 * paramat loves anime
16:30 thexyz paramat: what anime?
16:33 paramat studio Ghibli, mecha and scifi, im a macross fan, not gundam though
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16:35 * paramat is also socially inept plol
16:36 rotcaer Pwned.
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16:37 Dark_Soul well hmmm 0gb isnt on
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16:38 Nocte Hmm.
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16:38 Nocte paramat, you there?
16:39 Nocte Seen 'Pokemon: The Origin' yet? Its more mature take on Pokémon.
16:39 rubenwardy Hi all
16:39 Nocte And based on Pokémon Red version of the games.
16:40 rotcaer Red, as in, rule 34?
16:41 Nocte Nah: Pokémon Red...
16:41 Nocte The Gameboy version.
16:41 Nocte ;)
16:42 * paramat is there
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16:43 paramat okay i'll check it out, i always liked the monsters
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16:45 rotcaer If you like monsters, you should probably do autopsies for a living
16:45 zat pokemobs!
16:45 rotcaer Or medical experiments.
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17:00 Nocte Hehe... Paramat. It references the game a lot.
17:00 Nocte Dialogue lifted straight out of the game.
17:03 Jordach hello parama
17:03 Jordach paramat,
17:04 Jordach can't fucking type this evening
17:05 Nocte Anyone want me to name Eevee after you? (I'm playing LeafGreen with Nuzlocke and randomizer. :D)
17:05 paramat hi J :)
17:05 Jordach your god is here ;)
17:05 Nocte Should I name it Jordach? :p
17:06 * Jordach agrees
17:06 Nocte Hmm, what form should I evlolve it after some time? You get to decide.
17:06 Nocte Evolve* Can't type either. :(
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17:07 heybye44 hello
17:07 * paramat recognises no gods
17:07 Nocte Hah! My rival got a wooper.
17:08 heybye44 RING DING DING DING DA DINGA DING!!!!
17:09 Nocte Whoops..
17:09 Nocte Nope. :(
17:09 Nocte I gotta change some settings. Sadly EEVEE is gone.
17:09 heybye44 wut...
17:09 Calinou playing pokemon?
17:09 heybye44 who...
17:09 Calinou didn't name your rival "douche"?
17:09 Calinou :(
17:09 Nocte I named him 'Bitch'.
17:10 heybye44 dont cus here
17:10 heybye44 i cant wait for 0.4.8 to come out
17:11 heybye44 EVERYBODY DO THE FLOP!
17:11 heybye44 *bang*
17:11 Nocte No cussing here? Oh... I am not.
17:11 Nocte Bitch = Female Dog. ;)
17:12 heybye44 umm ok
17:12 Nocte Lol.. Anyways.
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17:14 heybye44 any way...  i making a mod and put this in it "minetest.register_node("Mud:Mud", { tiles = {"Mud_mud.png"}, groups = {snappy=15,choppy=30,oddly_bre​akable_by_hand=2,flammable=0}, })  minetest.register_node("Mud:Radioactive Mud", { tiles = {"Mud_mud.png"}, groups = {snappy=15,choppy=30,oddly_brea​kable_by_hand=2,flammable=140}, light_source = {6}, })"
17:16 heybye44 i loaded it into the game and it said it the cmd window open "Could not open file of texture"
17:17 heybye44 any1 there
17:17 Nocte Nope. :p
17:17 * Nocte can't code.
17:19 heybye44 n00bie........
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17:26 rubenwardy make sure Mud_mug.png exists
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17:42 MinetestBot Thunder and lightning is striking in the channel, as your Minetest god is here
17:44 Jordach paramat, ^
17:46 Jordach oh, and i've got the basic shape of the cube-y van down
17:46 paramat cool
17:47 Jordach basic shape: http://i.imgur.com/OKwd2KK.png
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17:54 Jordach i just cut the two front wheel holes out
18:00 paramat perhaps square wheels ...
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18:02 Jordach paramat, http://i.imgur.com/V6s5fDQ.png
18:02 Jordach i just happened to finish the wheels
18:03 Jordach and then i'll get around to texturing that badass
18:03 Jordach (i havent added a steering wheel)
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18:03 Jordach rubenwardy, , http://i.imgur.com/V6s5fDQ.png
18:03 Jordach - ,
18:04 Jordach Postman Pat... Postman Pat... </old_git>
18:04 Jordach funny that some people remember :P
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18:05 FreeFull Jordach: Bob the Builder?
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18:09 webdesigner97 hi
18:09 webdesigner97 I need help with this code: http://pastebin.com/YesWVrSd
18:10 webdesigner97 The problem is in line 4: attempt to call method is_empty (a nil value)
18:10 rotcaer shrink?
18:11 ShadowNinja webdesigner97: 1) It is spelled is_empty 2) It doesn't take any arguments.
18:12 webdesigner97 ShadowNinja: ouch
18:12 webdesigner97 seems to be my mistake
18:12 webdesigner97 btw, it wants an argument: http://dev.minetest.net/InvRef:is_empty
18:14 ShadowNinja webdesigner97: Oh, right, but the list name, not the item name.
18:14 webdesigner97 oh, and another question: is it possible to compare two lists like in line 5?
18:14 webdesigner97 (it is the listname. I prefixed them)
18:16 ShadowNinja webdesigner97: No, that will compare the table addresses in memor I beleive. You will have to iterate through them and check them.
18:16 ShadowNinja memory*
18:16 webdesigner97 ok
18:16 webdesigner97 gtg now
18:16 webdesigner97 bye
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18:24 paramat J, i was thinking postman pat too :D
18:27 Jordach ...time to texture... *sigh*
18:28 Jordach name yer colours
18:29 Jordach paramat, ^
18:31 paramat umm
18:31 MinetestBot GIT: Sokomine commited to minetest/minetest: Add support for parameter 'visual_scale' for drawtypes 'signlike' and 'torchlike' like used for drawtype 'plantlike' bb0d0ac32c 2013-10-14T11:20:55-07:00 http://git.io/WnOrUg
18:31 Jordach VanessaE, ^^^^
18:32 VanessaE I already have it on my server :)
18:32 Jordach paramat, you also want seating
18:35 * Jordach is thinking of an aeroplane mod
18:35 Jordach take to the skies
18:35 paramat i don't see seats as essential, especialy as this is an enclosed car
18:35 Jordach paramat, is this for local or as part of the mod
18:35 paramat minetest cars don't have steering wheels, they have WASD heh
18:36 Jordach so you just want a shell then
18:36 paramat yeah thats okay
18:38 Jordach paramat, remember: everything is mirrors
18:38 Jordach mirror'd
18:38 Jordach one side textures the other
18:38 paramat aha i see
18:40 paramat > "is this for local or as part of the mod" i think this model is mostly for Esteban's mod, although i will certainly use it myself
18:40 Jordach paramat, then i should add seating if it's major
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18:42 paramat colour: the violet of wool_violet
18:42 MinetestBot GIT: Sokomine commited to minetest/minetest: Add support for parameter 'visual_scale' for drawtypes 'signlike' and 'torchlike' like used for drawtype 'plantlike' 19742d8d98 2013-10-14T11:38:56-07:00 http://git.io/cPp6CQ
18:43 Jordach dafuq]
18:44 Jordach okay
18:44 Jordach can do
18:46 thexyz sfan5: can you set up public rsync for your http://sfan5.duckdns.org/upload/ thingy?
18:47 thexyz simple uploader uses that much technology D:
18:47 thexyz ohh
18:47 thexyz I love it
18:47 Jordach it's omploader
18:48 Jordach with user accounts
18:48 Jordach and hidden links
18:48 thexyz > Private Files can not be accessed at all.
18:48 Jordach and that shit too
18:48 thexyz what's the point of uploading then?
18:48 thexyz well this thing is still alive because it's not as popular as omp was
18:49 thexyz otherwise sfan5'd spend all his time removing CP from there
18:49 paramat J: "remember: everything is mirrors". thats deep
18:50 thexyz http://pomf.se/ is another omp alternative
18:51 thexyz it'll die some day though
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18:52 thexyz because it's totally unprofitable to host something like this
18:52 Evergreen Hey all
18:53 Jordach *we can dance if we want to, we can leave your friends behind...*
18:53 Jordach it's rare, but i do often sing
18:53 Jordach ...when nobody is about
18:54 paramat i remember safety dance
18:55 Jordach paramat, can you define the creepyness of my models while you're here
18:55 * Jordach doesn't get it
18:55 paramat heh im sorry :)
18:55 Jordach then i'll know where to improve :D
18:56 thexyz paramat: if you love monsters you should try bakemonogatari
18:56 thexyz if you don't like monsters you should try it anyway
18:57 * paramat does bakemonogatari image search
18:57 Jordach *we come together because opp--ossits att-rract*
18:59 paramat mmm nice violet hair :P
18:59 VanessaE bbl
19:00 Jordach *you got the touch, you got the power*
19:01 Jordach *when all hell's breaking loose, you'll be riding the eye of the storm*
19:03 thexyz paramat: indeed
19:06 Dark_Soul yea VanessaE is on
19:06 * Jordach will take a break from modeling
19:07 paramat i assume the devs are aware of cavegen putting holes through on-generated spawned structures near the chunk boundaries? its such an obvious bug i had assumed it was 'wont fix' or 'cant fix', but i cant find the issue at github
19:07 Jordach singlenode ftw
19:08 sfan5 thexyz: well... I didn't want to implement checking when accessing private files, soo
19:08 sfan5 also; how would I set up rsync? :P
19:09 thexyz there's a problem with private files, yeah
19:09 thexyz but it'd be cool to be able to backup all your archive
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19:15 IceCraft hi
19:15 Jordach hello IceCraft
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19:19 Mossmanikin Hi folks
19:21 thexyz sfan5: what's that samsung.pdf?
19:22 sfan5 something about a (broken) hdd I have
19:22 sfan5 google translate doesn't help much with the pdf
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19:30 thexyz is it only available in russian?
19:31 sfan5 yes, I think so
19:31 thexyz poor you
19:32 thexyz OCR should help
19:34 thexyz nsfw, i guess
19:34 thexyz nice newspapers you have there
19:34 thexyz Calinou is from France, right?
19:34 Calinou yes
19:35 thexyz me wants translation
19:36 thexyz no, summary would be good enough
19:36 Jordach Putin fucked in the ass by a Frenchie
19:36 Jordach seems legit
19:36 Peacock lol
19:37 Mossmanikin :D
19:38 Peacock roughly translated, "Francois Fuillon is not the only one kissing putins' ass"
19:39 Peacock whoever that guy is
19:39 thexyz yeah whoever that putin is
19:39 Peacock francois fuillon
19:39 Peacock i thought the french president was Francois Holland
19:40 thexyz i tried
19:40 Calinou françois fillon
19:40 Calinou ^ old prime minister
19:40 Calinou current president: françois hollande
19:40 Calinou current prime minister: jean-marc ayrault
19:41 Peacock so it goes, Fillon, Sarkozy, then Holland?
19:41 Peacock oh wait, you have presidents and prime ministers?
19:42 Peacock i guess presidents are like Queens for republics lol
19:43 Dark_Soul can someone interput this plz
19:43 Dark_Soul http://pastebin.com/k2z8VQuM
19:43 Menche i'm guessing there's a problem with your ipban.txt?
19:44 Dark_Soul ok well im trying to run the auto restart for my server and it will not go threw but i will look there give me a sec
19:45 Dark_Soul well everything looks ok
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19:50 Dark_Soul ok i emptyed the ip ban but it still says that
19:53 Peacock delete ze file
19:54 Dark_Soul ummm ok
19:55 Dark_Soul stilll got the same error
19:55 Peacock still cant load ipban?
19:55 Dark_Soul guess
19:55 Peacock try coping one from another world
19:56 Peacock *copying
19:56 Dark_Soul ummm ok
19:56 Menche does BanManager load any other files? it doesn't actually give a filename.
19:57 Dark_Soul idk thats all it says thats it so i have no idea
19:57 Dark_Soul ang no Peacock still didnt work
19:58 Peacock wtf lol did you change file permissions or something? or move shit around as sudo?
19:58 Menche Ive had serialization errors from corrupt player files, but that gives a different message.
19:59 Menche that's all the useful part of the output?
19:59 Dark_Soul file permissions?
19:59 Dark_Soul yes that is all it gives me word for word
19:59 Menche hmmm, that's strange
19:59 Peacock well you tried deleting ipban (did that create a new one btw?) and copying a fresh one, if you still cant load it, im thinking maybe a permissions issue
20:00 Dark_Soul no it didnt make a new one
20:00 Dark_Soul it worked last night
20:00 Dark_Soul but not this morning
20:00 Peacock bizarro
20:01 Menche i can't reproduce that error.
20:01 Menche i removed my own read privs on ipban.txt and added garbage values to it; it still works.
20:01 Miner_48er copy the required files to a working copy
20:02 Dark_Soul ummm read privs??? mine jsut has who is banned and there ip that si all it has ever had even whe nit worked
20:03 Peacock what about write privs and folder privs?
20:03 Menche the contents shouldn't be a problem. i added random garbage values to mine, and minetestserver reformated the file.
20:03 Miner_48er he's new to unix?
20:03 Dark_Soul i can run the server but it will not let me run the auto restart thats it
20:03 Menche what is this auto restart?
20:03 Menche that for loop?
20:03 Dark_Soul ?
20:04 Dark_Soul it restarts the server on its own wit hme doing it
20:04 Dark_Soul it worked last night
20:04 Menche it's that script containing an infinite while loop? (sorry, wrong type of loop)
20:05 Dark_Soul yes
20:08 Menche well this is weird. i removed my write privs from ipban.txt and started minestserver; somehow it re-added the write privs.
20:08 Menche i chown'd it to root and minetestserver was able to chown it back to me.
20:09 Dark_Soul yes even when i type in just minetestserver i get that error
20:09 Dark_Soul i have t o type minetestserver --worldname DarkNess to start my server
20:10 Menche does that work?
20:10 Dark_Soul does what?
20:10 Menche that command
20:10 Menche minetestserver --worldname DarkNess
20:10 Dark_Soul yes but i dont get my auto restart
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20:11 Menche try this command: "while true; do echo hello; done"
20:11 Menche just an infinite while loop on one line.
20:11 Menche wait NO
20:11 Menche try this command: "while true; do minetestserver --worldname DarkNess; done"
20:11 Menche rather
20:11 Dark_Soul ok
20:11 stormchaser3000 hi
20:11 Menche lol, accidentally put my test command up :P
20:11 Menche hello
20:12 Dark_Soul hello
20:12 Dark_Soul well it loaded the world
20:12 stormchaser3000 hey dark how do i make a server
20:12 Dark_Soul let me shut it dow n and see if it restarts
20:12 Dark_Soul hold on bud
20:12 Menche Dark_Soul: could you post the script you use? that command i gave you should have the same effect of restarting when the process exits.
20:12 Menche it's just an infinite while loop on a single line.
20:13 Dark_Soul thanks!!! Menche it was succesful
20:13 Menche i'm not sure if it's necessary, but an example of the script added a small wait before restarting.
20:14 Menche like so: "while true; do echo minetestserver --worldname DarkNess; sleep 1; done"
20:14 Menche makes it wait 1 second before starting it up again.
20:14 Dark_Soul no need to wait
20:14 Dark_Soul lol
20:15 Dark_Soul here is what i was using
20:16 stormchaser3000 dark?
20:17 Dark_Soul nvm i cant find it
20:17 Dark_Soul ok yes
20:17 Dark_Soul wait i may find it
20:17 stormchaser3000 when wwill you bea ble to tell mee how to make a server
20:18 Dark_Soul storm hold on
20:19 Dark_Soul Menche i cant find it but ask 0gb he gave it to me
20:20 Dark_Soul ok storm
20:20 Menche i seem to remember getting that script from VanessaE
20:20 Dark_Soul what have you done so far
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20:20 Menche iirc she posted it somewhere on the forums
20:20 Dark_Soul ?
20:20 stormchaser3000 i have forwarded my ports
20:21 Dark_Soul ok well you got the hard part done
20:21 sfan5 nice, I watched a full anime today
20:21 stormchaser3000 and started up a server with the server settings in theconf file
20:21 Dark_Soul i love anime
20:21 roguejedi79 Is there a way to set up a console to monitor your server?
20:21 Dark_Soul post you config file plz
20:21 stormchaser3000 nice sfan
20:23 sfan5 wow the trash forum already has 6 pages
20:23 Peacock thats more activity than alot of boards lol
20:23 * Menche was about to report an offtopic server advertisement, but it was deleted when he refreshed the page :D
20:24 Menche lol: https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=114336#p114336
20:24 Menche somebody tell me what that thread is about?
20:24 stormchaser3000 server_dedicated = true
20:25 sfan5 Menche: I deleted it
20:25 stormchaser3000 server_name = stormcahser3000's survival server
20:25 stormchaser3000 server_announce = 1
20:25 stormchaser3000 server_address = 208.54.40.239
20:25 stormchaser3000 enable_bumpmapping = true
20:25 stormchaser3000 mg_flags = trees, caves, v6_biome_blend, v6_jungles
20:25 stormchaser3000 port = 30000
20:25 Menche it's still there.
20:25 Dark_Soul storm
20:25 stormchaser3000 was kicked by ShadowBot: Message flood detected.
20:25 Dark_Soul in a paste ben
20:25 * Dark_Soul bags head on wall
20:25 Dark_Soul *bangs
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20:25 Menche don't annoy ShadowBot. ShadowBot has a temper.
20:26 stormchaser3000 lol
20:26 Dark_Soul yes it does he doesnt like me
20:26 Peacock someone just needs to show shadowbot a good time ;)
20:26 proller do not define server_addres
20:26 Dark_Soul use paste bin
20:26 Dark_Soul he has alot wrong
20:26 stormchaser3000 i don't have a past bin acount
20:26 Dark_Soul you dont need one
20:26 Peacock maybe ben has one :P
20:26 Dark_Soul to use it
20:26 stormchaser3000 oh ok
20:27 sfan5 Menche: it's still there, really, I can't find it
20:27 sfan5 s/2nd comma/?/
20:27 Menche the link was still working then. it is gone now.
20:27 stormchaser3000 oh wait sfan5 is your survival server now remote media?
20:27 sfan5 stormchaser3000: it always was
20:27 stormchaser3000 i get a lot of lag
20:27 sfan5 yes, I'll disable the nether mod
20:28 stormchaser3000 1 chunck per minute
20:28 stormchaser3000 or at least 30 sec
20:28 stormchaser3000 and teh items never drop
20:29 Dark_Soul storm pastebin the config file
20:29 stormchaser3000 ko iam
20:29 stormchaser3000 ok i am
20:31 stormchaser3000 http://pastebin.com/kPb863sG
20:32 Dark_Soul o wow
20:32 Dark_Soul hmmm let me get mine
20:33 roguejedi79 I finally have my server up but am looking for an easy way to monitor it
20:33 Dark_Soul here i will make yours
20:33 Dark_Soul give me a server name
20:33 stormchaser3000 MINE?
20:33 Dark_Soul yes
20:34 stormchaser3000 stormchaser3000's survival server
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20:34 Dark_Soul ok what do you want it to say like mine is a evil face
20:34 sfan5 apparently some people use ssl with my webserver
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20:36 Miner_48er roguejedi79 what are you trying to monitor?
20:36 Dark_Soul miner he wants a perminate moderatoron his server like MinetestBot and ShoadowBot on here
20:36 roguejedi79 Looking for a console type screen
20:36 stormchaser3000 just have fun and if you don't wan to be griefed use the protector blocks
20:37 roguejedi79 Server stats
20:37 roguejedi79 Send commands
20:37 Dark_Soul ok so you ip doesnt go to everyone i wil leave that blank for you to fill in
20:37 stormchaser3000 brb
20:37 Menche currently the only type of "monitoring" you can do is look at the server's output/debug files/rollback files
20:37 stormchaser3000 ok
20:38 Menche i forward the output of mine to a log file
20:38 stormchaser3000 but i need to plug my laptop in
20:38 stormchaser3000 so brb
20:38 Dark_Soul ok now i need a the message of the day
20:39 roguejedi79 Not ideal but thankyou for the input
20:39 Menche i have a mod that allows sending commands from the command line
20:39 Menche reads them from a file in the world folder
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20:47 stormchaser3000 gu
20:47 stormchaser3000 hi
20:47 stormchaser3000 sorry
20:47 stormchaser3000 wrongkeys
20:47 stormchaser3000 so the motd
20:48 stormchaser3000 is if yeu get griefed tell stormchaser3000 or  mod or admin about it
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20:50 stormchaser3000 dark
20:51 Dark_Soul labtop or desktop
20:51 Dark_Soul yes?
20:51 stormchaser3000 laptop
20:51 Dark_Soul ok
20:51 Dark_Soul so 10 or 15 max members
20:52 stormchaser3000 ok
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20:52 Dark_Soul which 1
20:52 Dark_Soul nvm that how many do you want
20:53 stormchaser3000 15
20:53 * Evergreen is back
20:53 Dark_Soul ok
20:55 Dark_Soul ok i have your config but it has alot of extra stuff ok so get rid of what you dont need or want ok
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20:56 Dark_Soul i do have the fire disabled so you may or may not want that to be on
20:56 stormchaser3000 ok
20:56 Dark_Soul http://pastebin.com/ZJWTeDxQ
20:56 Dark_Soul MIner are you there
20:56 stormchaser3000 ok
20:56 Dark_Soul then give me the address and port so i can log in :D
20:58 stormchaser3000 ok so do i paste this into my conf file
20:59 Dark_Soul ok
21:00 Dark_Soul yes
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21:02 Dark_Soul o wait storm
21:02 Dark_Soul i forgot something
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21:03 Dark_Soul nvm just go wit hit
21:03 stormchaser3000 ok
21:04 stormchaser3000 i am abou to atart he server
21:04 stormchaser3000 start
21:04 Dark_Soul ok
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21:05 stormchaser3000 and it will not anounce to the server list
21:05 stormchaser3000 it times out
21:05 stormchaser3000 port 30000
21:05 Dark_Soul its fine
21:06 Dark_Soul mine said that for ever
21:06 Dark_Soul hmm
21:06 Dark_Soul address
21:07 stormchaser3000 ip 172.56.12.40
21:07 Dark_Soul i cant connect
21:07 Dark_Soul hold on
21:07 Dark_Soul i asume cause i amde a change
21:07 Dark_Soul ok go to your config
21:07 stormchaser3000 i have 14.7 kb a sec internet
21:08 stormchaser3000 tmobile hot spot
21:08 Dark_Soul well that may change somethings but go to congif
21:08 stormchaser3000 ok
21:08 stormchaser3000 conf
21:08 Dark_Soul #server_announce = 1 announces the server to the server list, 0 turns it off find this
21:08 Dark_Soul and flip flop to 1 and 0
21:09 Dark_Soul but leave the bottom part
21:09 Dark_Soul and did you fix your address i nthe config?
21:10 stormchaser3000 i just did
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21:12 stormchaser3000 ok server back up
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21:13 artur99 hi
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21:13 stormchaser3000 hi
21:13 artur99 which is the best screen recording app for win ?
21:13 stormchaser3000 um in my opinion bandicam
21:14 Dark_Soul ok
21:14 artur99 did u heard about ezvid?
21:14 artur99 is it ok?
21:14 stormchaser3000 no
21:14 Dark_Soul no i cant connect
21:14 stormchaser3000 hmmmm i am going to screen share dark
21:14 artur99 its not ok, ir you didnt hear about it
21:14 Dark_Soul ask Miner_48er i learned everything from him
21:14 stormchaser3000 on screenleap.com and show you my config
21:14 stormchaser3000 of my internet
21:15 stormchaser3000 i might need to re_portforward
21:17 Dark_Soul ok try the port forward again but thats all i can do
21:17 stormchaser3000 hm hi
21:17 Dark_Soul tsorry
21:17 stormchaser3000 ok but go here
21:17 artur99 what has bandicam free and bandicam ful?
21:17 artur99 *full?
21:19 artur99 stormchaser3000, bandicam adds a watermark, or a message at the start of the video: "This video is made with bandicam"?
21:21 stormchaser3000 um yeah
21:21 stormchaser3000 it ust says bandicam
21:21 stormchaser3000 at the top of the screen
21:21 artur99 :(( where?
21:22 artur99 and how long?
21:22 stormchaser3000 the whole video
21:23 artur99 and where?
21:23 artur99 all the screen? or a corner?
21:23 stormchaser3000 at the middle of the top of the screeen
21:24 artur99 and is visible, or transparent?
21:24 stormchaser3000 tranparent but barly
21:24 artur99 and how many procents of screen represents that image?
21:25 artur99 *watermark
21:25 stormchaser3000 um like 1/20 if not 30th
21:25 stormchaser3000 1/30
21:26 artur99 oh, thanks for help :)
21:26 artur99 what barly means?
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22:01 JackGruff nuts man, mesecon doesn't move with blocks pushed by pistons
22:01 JackGruff there goes my simple circuit breaker
22:01 stormchaser3000 lol
22:01 Menche trying to get the mesecon wire to be pushed?
22:02 JackGruff yes
22:02 Menche could use a Mese block instead of a mesecon wire. those will also conduct mesecons logic.
22:02 JackGruff hmmm
22:02 JackGruff let me try
22:03 Menche or, probably better, use one of the available logic gates.
22:03 Menche XOR should do it.
22:05 Menche if you have a wire going into one input of an XOR gate and out the output, sending an ON signal to the other input will break the circuit.
22:05 JackGruff it works!
22:05 JackGruff hmm
22:05 JackGruff i'll try that
22:06 JackGruff for some reason i thought i would have to make a memory cell to store the on/off state
22:06 JackGruff but i must have remembered some old redstone tutorial wrong
22:06 Menche RS-NOR latch? or just a luacontroller could do that if you're lazy.
22:07 JackGruff yeah
22:09 JackGruff is there any hack to get pistons to conduct?
22:10 JackGruff back in MC i wanted to stack sticky pistons on each other so they would all expand, but one piston can't conduct to the next
22:11 Menche i don't think so. you could probably modify the piston definition in the mod to make them conductive, but idk how exactly to do that. It may be as simple as adding a group.
22:13 stormchaser3000 it is
22:14 JackGruff ok, well, xor doesn't work in my case
22:14 JackGruff the one input is a blinky plant
22:14 JackGruff i'm basically trying to switch a clock on/off
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22:26 JackGruff i friggin love git
22:26 JackGruff i love being able to update all mods in one go with one bash script
22:26 JackGruff suck on that notch
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22:26 us`0gb JackGruff, couldn't a script handle regular uploading as well?
22:26 Menche yep. very convenient. Except for the occasional mod that is only available as a .rar archive from Mediafire...
22:26 JackGruff i suppose.
22:27 Menche as long as the latest version always has the same URL
22:27 JackGruff i just have a simple one that changes into each dir and calls git pull $dir
22:27 Menche it's hard to get any easier than "git pull"
22:27 JackGruff and it loops through them so i dont have to update each time i clone a new repo
22:28 us`0gb Personally, I'm not a fan of git. I use GitHub only because that is the standard this community has chosen.
22:28 JackGruff and then i just symlink to the mods folder as i may not want all from a mod pack
22:28 us`0gb It's easiest if we are all on the same page.
22:28 JackGruff what don't u like about git?
22:30 us`0gb Uploading in git takes three commands where only one should be needed. That's the main reason, but it's a pain in other small ways as well.
22:30 us`0gb I much prefer just uploading a regular file.
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22:32 us`0gb THe three command thing is a clear sign that git is overly complex though.
22:32 JackGruff VanessaE, why hasn't git cracked done on you for storing so much non-code files?
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22:36 * Evergreen is back
22:36 Evergreen Hi us`0gb
22:37 Evergreen Hi Mossmanikin!
22:37 Evergreen Been a while since I've seen you on irc
22:40 us`0gb Hello!
22:40 us`0gb I saw you on IRC yesterday, I think.
22:42 Evergreen Not you us`0gb, I meant Mossmanikin
22:43 us`0gb Oh, sorry, I kind of spaced that.
22:45 Mossmanikin Evergreen: Hi Evergreen :)
22:45 Evergreen Hello
22:46 Mossmanikin Either too busy with modding or too much RL ;)
22:47 Evergreen Yeah, one can have too much real life sometimes
22:48 us`0gb Sometimes? Try all the time.
22:49 * us`0gb just wants to escape for a bit
22:49 Mossmanikin Yea earth days don't have enough hours
22:51 Mossmanikin And there's Murphy's law of course
22:51 us`0gb Of course.
22:51 us`0gb Why would he write such an awful law?
22:52 Menche a mars day only has about 0.6 more hours than a earth one
22:52 Menche darn.
22:52 Menche it's cold there anyways.
22:52 us`0gb My brother wants us to colonize Mars.
22:52 us`0gb He talks about it all the time.
22:52 Menche isn't there some project that wants to send a group on a one-way trip?
22:52 Menche to mars
22:53 Mossmanikin Dunno, but sounds cool
22:53 Menche they have it all planned out and think they can pull it off. I'm kind of skeptical.
22:53 us`0gb I'm not sure, I don't have time to follow news. I'm the last to know about everything.
22:55 Menche http://www.mars-one.com/en/
22:55 Mossmanikin I'd prefer we learn how to LIVE on this planet, still... I like the idea of living on another planet
22:55 Menche a lot of people actually applied to go
22:56 JackGruff we need insulated vertical mesecon
22:56 JackGruff but i wanna go to mars :(
22:57 us`0gb I think if we manage to get off the planet, two main things will happen. First of all, we'll be like a virus, advancing our reach and taking over worlds. Second, we'll be able to escape the eventual death of our current planet.
22:57 JackGruff virus? negative connotations?
22:58 Menche not that there's much to take over. An icy bunch of rust-filled dirt and rocks.
22:58 us`0gb Viruses spread and concur. I know no other metaphor for that.
22:58 JackGruff i call it "species insurance"
22:59 us`0gb (sorry, bad spelling)
22:59 us`0gb It is that, which is my second point.
22:59 JackGruff but i think that's to facilitate breeding
22:59 JackGruff which we are naturally selected for
22:59 * Menche doesn't think a mars colony will be able to exist on it's own without support from Earth
22:59 us`0gb But we'll also just spread and multiply.
22:59 Mossmanikin A virus is just a living being (or not, depends on the definition of life)
22:59 JackGruff yes. those that don't die off
23:00 us`0gb Right. This is assuming we were to figure out how to survive.
23:00 us`0gb Without Earth.
23:00 JackGruff i would die of boredom on mars to be honest
23:00 Menche the Martian atmosphere is thin, cold, and (almost?) oxygen-less
23:00 us`0gb Right. THis isn't happening any time soon.
23:00 Mossmanikin I like the idea of terraforming...
23:01 Menche i'm not saying it's impossible, but the first colonies will have to be completely contained in small climate controlled capsules. a full suit will be needed to do anything outside.
23:02 Menche this conversation started because Mossmanikin complained that there aren't enough hours in an Earth day.
23:02 Mossmanikin And I'm afraid there'll be a lot psychological problems...
23:03 Mossmanikin Menche: yeah, sorry about that... actually not :D
23:03 Menche what, knowing that you'll be separated from the rest of humanity for the rest of your life?
23:03 Mossmanikin Isolation
23:05 Menche there'd be a ping of several hours.
23:05 Menche the block you just placed disappeared off the server? you haven't seen network lag yet.
23:05 Mossmanikin I mean: whe already have that in civilization with no nature around us, guess it'd be worse on another planet
23:06 Menche of course the connection would have timed out before the init packet got to the server.
23:07 Mossmanikin Surely is a reason to not move to mars
23:08 Menche lol
23:08 JackGruff is there a point in enabling all three texture filtering options or does anisotropic override them?
23:08 Menche all 3?
23:09 Menche mipmap, aniso, bilinear, trilinear
23:09 Menche ?
23:09 JackGruff yes
23:09 Menche 4
23:09 Menche i don't know, i don't think aniso overrides them
23:09 JackGruff i though mipmapping did something a bit different
23:09 Menche it cuts down on noise in the distance
23:10 Menche but causes a hard edge where it takes effect. anisotropic filtering fixes that.
23:10 Menche i usually have both mipmapping and aniso on
23:10 JackGruff i may be wrong but i though anisotropic was suppose to succeed bi and tri
23:10 JackGruff thought*
23:10 Menche bi/trilinear look terrible on any texture pack lower than about 256x
23:11 Mossmanikin Which is of course a matter of taste ;)
23:11 Menche sort of.
23:11 Menche not really.
23:11 * Menche doesn't understand how you can prefer your texures all blurred like that, but whatever.
23:12 JackGruff i think we need a tp that's specifically designed for it
23:12 JackGruff like a regular game's is
23:12 Menche IMO anisotropic + mipmaps are the best for the default and most texture packs.
23:13 Menche bi/trilinear looks fine with super-hi-res packs like HDX
23:14 Menche ...what's the difference between bi and trilinear filtering anyway? does one override the other when both are on? I haven't seen much difference.
23:14 JackGruff that's the question i asked
23:14 JackGruff from what i understand, tri is more sophisticated than bi
23:15 Mossmanikin There is a difference, but forgot, don't use 'rem...
23:15 Mossmanikin *'em
23:15 Menche another setting i like is fsaa.
23:15 Menche it isn't in the GUI for some reason.
23:16 Mossmanikin what does fsaa stand for?
23:16 Menche ever notice how the the black selection box has jagged edges? setting fsaa to about 4 fixes that.
23:16 Menche i believe it stands for "full screen anti-aliasing"
23:16 Menche but im not 100% sure
23:16 Mossmanikin Ah, k
23:17 JackGruff "Like bilinear and trilinear filtering, anisotropic filtering eliminates aliasing effects, but improves on these other techniques by reducing blur and preserving detail at extreme viewing angles."
23:17 JackGruff from wikipedia
23:18 Menche anisotropic filtering definitely doesn't override that in minetest.
23:18 JackGruff maybe i should make a post on the forum so one of the devs can answer
23:18 JackGruff i think you're confusing it with edge aliasing
23:19 Menche maybe the bi/trilinear filtering is used on the textures themselves, while anisotropic filtering is used for the entire view? if that makes sense?
23:19 JackGruff no, wikipedia says textures
23:19 Menche idk
23:19 JackGruff your thinking of the aliasing along the edges of a mesh
23:19 JackGruff you're
23:20 JackGruff fsaa fixes that
23:20 Menche anisotropic helps reduce noise and eliminates the hard line caused by the mipmaps.
23:20 Menche i never said it reduced the aliasing.
23:22 JackGruff k
23:22 JackGruff it's just that, if you look at the option in other games, they only give you a choice between the three
23:23 Menche 3 what?
23:23 JackGruff bi tri and ani
23:23 JackGruff i've never seen a game let you choose all three at once
23:24 Menche this is a guess, but i think all minetest does with those options is set certain flags on the appropriate Irrlicht objects
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23:24 Menche so it would depend on how the Irrlicht engine handles those.
23:24 JackGruff yeah, and im guessing irrlicht chooses the most sophisticated of the three
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23:25 JackGruff so if u tick bi and tri, it use tri
23:31 JackGruff fug i hate it when tp authors stop updating
23:37 Evergreen Calvin and hobbes was the best cartoon to be in a newspaper imo  https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=114362#p114362
23:40 JackGruff bad link?
23:41 Nocte Hmm..
23:41 Nocte Calvin and Hobbes? :p
23:41 JackGruff are you the author of MT-Faithful, btw?
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23:42 Nocte Talking about comics... Finland only gets those comedy stuff nowadays.
23:42 jojoa1997 can anyone help me with linux terminal stuff
23:43 Nocte Only actual comic I saw was 'Kick-ass' translated into Finnish. :(
23:43 Nocte I avoided it because the jokes would have probably been lost in translation.
23:43 Evergreen What do you need help with jojoa1997
23:44 jojoa1997 i want to make a command that will change all of the textures of potions_*.png from 16x to 32x
23:45 Evergreen Use imagemagick
23:45 Nocte Btw, textures: Are there any Full HD textures? :p
23:45 jojoa1997 VanessaE's HDX from 16-256
23:45 Evergreen I can dig up the command if you want
23:46 jojoa1997 and Evergreen imagegick? what is that?
23:46 Nocte How much does it make the game lag? Haha.
23:46 jojoa1997 that would be cool
23:46 Mossmanikin also 512 AFAIK
23:46 Evergreen Can someone else tell him what imagemagick is?
23:46 jojoa1997 Mossmanikin, but not even VanessaE with her super computer uses that
23:47 jojoa1997 is imagegick on ubuntu by default
23:48 Mossmanikin jojoa1997: hm... used it for a couple of days, but prefer the original textures most of the time
23:49 Evergreen Here you go:   convert image.png  -resize 32x32 resized_image.png
23:50 Evergreen Also, can't remember how to do that automatically, I suppose you could use a basth script to do tha
23:50 Evergreen (for a bunch of images that is)
23:50 Evergreen *that
23:50 Evergreen I'm pretty sure imagemagick is default for ubuntu
23:51 jojoa1997 what does the resized_image.png mean
23:52 JackGruff the name you want the resulting file to be
23:52 Evergreen The name of the resized image
23:52 Evergreen *ninja'd
23:53 jojoa1997 ok it works but how do i make it not lose sharp edges
23:55 Mossmanikin Is there an option saying something like "next neighbour"?
23:55 JackGruff why don't you grab them from her higher res releases?
23:55 jojoa1997 i am using terminal
23:56 jojoa1997 this is for overcraft_origins
23:59 Mossmanikin Don't get why when resizing a pic the output is blured by default...

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