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00:00 PilzAdam dafull97, you told us the version of the Irrlicht build you have and the one of your kernel
00:00 dafull97 oh, haha... so how do i find out my version?
00:00 PilzAdam search for this line in the --info output: 01:56:01: INFO[main]: minetest with SER_FMT_VER_HIGHEST_READ=26, VER=0.4.7 BUILD_TYPE=Debug RUN_IN_PLACE=1 USE_GETTEXT=1 USE_SOUND=1 STATIC_SHAREDIR=.
00:00 NakedFury run game and it says version inside
00:01 PilzAdam and then tell us the "VER" part
00:01 dafull97 0.4.7
00:01 PilzAdam good
00:01 dafull97 sorry was right in front of me... i missed it.. ;\
00:01 PilzAdam you installed the mods correctly, but you need to enable them for the world now
00:02 PilzAdam to do that, go to the world directory, open world.mt and set  load_mod_<modname>=true  for the desired mods
00:02 PilzAdam more info: http://dev.minetest.net/Installing_Mods
00:03 blaaaaargh A dialog (text mode) interface would be nice in this case
00:03 dafull97 k thanks
00:04 blaaaaargh as an external program I mean
00:04 PilzAdam blaaaaargh, after running the world once, all mods are written with false into that file
00:04 blaaaaargh though what I usually do is bundle a game into the world
00:05 blaaaaargh PilzAdam, ah nevermind then :P
00:05 dafull97 one more question, so whatever the mod foldername is in the mods folder?
00:06 dafull97 that waht i name it?
00:06 PilzAdam yes, the modfolder is the nam
00:06 PilzAdam *name
00:06 blaaaaargh dafull97, you must use the canonical mod name
00:06 dafull97 so what the default name is?
00:07 blaaaaargh (both for the folder and the line in the world.mt file)
00:07 dafull97 so like 0gb.us_game-master
00:07 blaaaaargh look at each mod's topic
00:07 PilzAdam thats a game and not a mod
00:07 dafull97 would be i got that from github?
00:08 PilzAdam when you download from github then it usually appends -master
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00:08 dafull97 what about maptools-master?
00:08 PilzAdam e.g. you have to rename carts-master to carts
00:08 PilzAdam https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=6450
00:08 zat I have searched but have not found much good info... how is the support for database engines other than Sqlite?
00:09 dafull97 so maptools-master to maptools?
00:09 blaaaaargh yep
00:11 harrison The Spiny Boki Mekot Rat was found in the mountain forests of Halmahera, in the Moluccas (Maluku) archipelago.
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00:15 kahrl zat, leveldb is supported
00:16 clarksallador hi
00:16 zat what is it like? (I cannot open a browser right now)
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00:19 kahrl how do you mean?
00:19 zat sql, non-sql, whatever.
00:20 kahrl non-sql key value store
00:21 kahrl (that's all I know about it.)
00:21 zat it probably is like mongodb
00:21 zat sounds like
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00:59 zat ERROR[main]: Migration to leveldb is not supported
00:59 zat D: did I write it wrong?
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01:00 PilzAdam have you leveldb support compiled in?
01:00 zat did not set it, compiled it from the AUR
01:00 Menche you have to configure the build with "-DENABLE_LEVELDB=1"
01:00 zat do the stable binaries have it compiled?
01:00 PilzAdam no
01:00 Menche should be easy to add that to the PKGBUILD
01:00 zat Yes, I will edit it
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01:02 dafull97 philz
01:02 dafull97 pilzadam
01:03 dafull97 Evergreen?
01:04 dafull97 any developers here?
01:04 PilzAdam you do the same thing again ;-)
01:05 PilzAdam just say what you want to say and dont ask for specific persons; youll get your answers way faster
01:06 PilzAdam btw, this is not meant to offend you, just some tips since you seem to be new here
01:06 dafull97 yes i am new to this game haha
01:06 Evergreen I did the same thing the first time I went on irc
01:06 Evergreen I'm not a dev fyi
01:06 dafull97 i did what you said, and still not work :(
01:07 dafull97 oh really?
01:07 dafull97 i thought you was :D
01:07 [0gb_us] It's interesting seeing messages from different channels mix ... sometimes it sounds like an actual conversation, but the people having it are unaware of each other.
01:07 dafull97 i have programmed for 3 years, just new to minecraft/minetest stuff and this game engine
01:07 PilzAdam [0gb_us], so the same as in only one channel? ;-)
01:08 [0gb_us] Evergreen, I saw that dafull97 called you a developer, and thought you had been promoted.
01:08 PilzAdam dafull97, I meant that you are new to IRC
01:08 [0gb_us] PilzAdam, yeah, sometimes.
01:08 Evergreen Who knows, I might be one day
01:08 dafull97 new to game and irc, haha
01:09 PilzAdam dafull97, so, you have placed the mods into /home/<username>/.minetest/mods/, renamed the folders according to the mod topics in the forums and have set load_mod_<modname>=true in the world.mt file in the world directory?
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01:10 dafull97 this is the setup say like a mod was named mod-master, i renamed to mod
01:10 Inocudom RealBadAngel made one post in the forums today.
01:10 dafull97 then i put load_mod_mod=true in world.mt
01:10 PilzAdam yea, that is usually enough
01:11 PilzAdam does the server start correctly?
01:11 dafull97 yes everything works like it was, no mods though
01:11 dafull97 do i need do domething to conf file?
01:11 dafull97 something*
01:11 VanessaE Inocudom: and he showed up on my server early this morning also, for a few mins
01:11 PilzAdam dafull97, when you run minetest with --info, what is path_user (3rd line)?
01:12 Inocudom PilzAdam, are you aware of BlockMen's attempt to add third person view to Minetest. It is based on the attempt you made at seeing the player's model when he/she looks down.
01:12 PilzAdam Inocudom, AFAIK its still as hacky as my code
01:13 [0gb_us] Okay, git experts: If I'm in a non-master branch, and I use "git branch <name>", does it copy the current branch into the new one or does it copy master into the new branch?
01:13 Inocudom What if, hypothetically, BlockMen got it to work? What then?
01:14 PilzAdam [0gb_us], the current one
01:14 VanessaE [0gb_us]: if the branch doesn't exist, it makes a copy of the current branch
01:14 Inocudom RealBadAngel was on your server VanessaE? That is a pleasant surprise.
01:14 [0gb_us] Okay, thank you very much.
01:14 PilzAdam Inocudom, what does "work" mean? my version works too, but its too hacky
01:14 Inocudom I mean in the sense that it not hacky.
01:14 VanessaE Inocudom: yep, for a bit...and he was actually talking, too :)   Disappeared rather abruptly when I mentioned getting him to release his shader code :)
01:15 PilzAdam Inocudom, well, of course I would consider merging it then
01:15 Inocudom Now, now, we musn't rush RealBadAngel.
01:15 dafull97 */root/.minetest
01:15 PilzAdam but making it non-hacky is quite a lot of work / designing
01:15 PilzAdam dafull97, do not run Minetest as root
01:15 Menche you're running minetest as root?
01:16 VanessaE never run internet-facing programs as root
01:16 VanessaE always run them as nobody or a specific user with limited rights
01:16 [0gb_us] I think VanessaE runs Minetest under its own account. I think that's probably the best way to do it.
01:16 PilzAdam VanessaE, like apt-get? :-p
01:17 VanessaE PilzAdam: you know perfectly well what I meant.
01:17 [0gb_us] Apt-get faces the Internet? THat's news to me.
01:17 PilzAdam thats what the :-p is for
01:17 Inocudom Remember, it is not fun to be in the middle of a work extravaganzas.
01:19 dafull97 ok, still what is my problem? i will fix root after i get this fixed
01:19 PilzAdam do you have the mods in /root/.minetest/mods/ ?
01:19 PilzAdam since thats the home folder of root you have to put it there
01:19 PilzAdam if you run it as a user then place them in the user directory, which is in /home/<username>/
01:20 PilzAdam anyway, I need to sleep now
01:20 PilzAdam bye
01:20 [0gb_us] Goodbye.
01:20 dafull97 bye
01:20 Inocudom http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RyeSY​uS380Q&amp;feature=player_detailpage
01:20 [0gb_us] Oops, too late.
01:21 Inocudom As the video I posted the link to says (to put it as the ancient Greeks would,) a beast cannot slay a god.
01:22 Inocudom At least, that is the message I get from it.
01:22 [0gb_us] Seeing as gods don't exist, I imagine it would be pretty hard to slay one. No beast could do that.
01:24 FreeFull Slay someone who claims to be a god
01:24 FreeFull Done
01:24 * Sokomine looks around if calinou can be found
01:24 VanessaE nope.
01:25 Inocudom I also learn from that video to avoid playing against players that are like that in Xonotic (which there are quite a few of.)
01:26 FreeFull What you really should avoid is the players that others say are gods
01:26 FreeFull Or watch and learn
01:26 Inocudom Is Calinou here?
01:26 VanessaE nope.
01:28 Inocudom I was meaning the god players as the ones to avoid. I refer to them as gods, super gods, and hyper gods.
01:28 VanessaE the ones who play MT as if it's OpenArena :P
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01:30 Inocudom People that play Minetest as if its OpenArena would probably get everyone with their swords. You generally don't want that. I certainly don't.
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01:47 dafull97 mods still wont work on serfver
02:05 Inocudom Everyone left all of a sudden. Why?
02:06 * Menche is still here
02:06 Menche it's always quiet at this hour
02:07 NakedFury the quiet hour
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02:10 Mossmanikin Hi folks
02:11 Menche hi
02:15 Inocudom Have you checked out the lulzpack mod lately, Mossmanikin and Menche? The link to it is below:
02:15 Inocudom https://forum.minetest.net/vi​ewtopic.php?pid=54290#p54290
02:15 Mossmanikin Not lately
02:16 Inocudom LorenzoVulcan is still working on it. He has not abandoned it.
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02:33 Mossmanikin Inocudom: took a quick look; lot of cool stuff in there, some very nice textures, but I personally prefer non modern stuff for playing
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02:42 VanessaE Mossmanikin:  minor bug report for you:
02:42 dafull97 Cab anyone help me with mods on a server?
02:42 dafull97 can*
02:43 VanessaE in short, ferns are taking over!  they're everywhere!  heelllllllllllpppppppp! :)
02:43 Mossmanikin :D
02:43 VanessaE dafull97: just do what pilzadam said to do
02:43 VanessaE dafull97: alternatively, you could build a "game" out of your mods collection.
02:44 VanessaE Mossmanikin: seriously though, could you move those to on-gen only?
02:44 Menche dafull97, what isn't working? what do you have?
02:44 VanessaE they're too prolific :)
02:45 VanessaE Menche: he's having trouble understanding how to properly enable them on his server
02:45 dafull97 um, i did do what he said, still not work... VannessaE if i give you my ssh user & a temp password could you make sure i have it setup right?
02:45 Mossmanikin I'll take a look at the code
02:45 VanessaE dafull97: I wouldn't know how, I don't use that method
02:45 VanessaE (else I'd help you now)
02:45 VanessaE I use the game method
02:45 Menche dafull97, did you edit the world.mt file?
02:46 Menche you have to enable the mods in that file
02:46 Mossmanikin VanessaE: is it only the Lady Ferns?
02:46 Menche (a stupid decision IMHO)
02:46 dafull97 yes, used mod_load_samplemod=true
02:46 VanessaE Mossmanikin: actually it's the horsetail ones that are the issue
02:46 VanessaE I don't see that much of the other kinds
02:46 dafull97 replaced samplemod with mods folder name in mods folder
02:47 Inocudom Shouldn't ferns only appear in warm areas like jungles?
02:47 Menche when you're in the game, does it show up when you type "/mods"?
02:47 dafull97 idk, let me check =D
02:47 Mossmanikin VanessaE: ah, ok, see what you mean now
02:47 VanessaE Mossmanikin: mainly, where there's water, there are tons and tons of horsetails
02:47 VanessaE plus they spawn on gravel, which messes up walkways and the like
02:48 VanessaE spawn-on-gravel should be limited to on-mapgen onl
02:48 VanessaE only*
02:48 Mossmanikin I'll add a setting to en-/disable it
02:49 Mossmanikin (and disabled as default setting)
02:49 dafull97 only a couple, vessel, screwdriver, stairs, fire... maybe farming?
02:50 Menche sounds like there's just the default
02:50 VanessaE that's all default stuff, yeah
02:50 VanessaE Mossmanikin:  ok, that seems fair
02:50 Mossmanikin Hm, just see the setting is already there, but it's enabled by default
02:51 dafull97 here is my world.mt
02:51 Mossmanikin "Horsetails_Spawning = true"
02:51 Menche add "load_mod_" to the beginning of that setting
02:52 Menche and does that modname really contain capitals?
02:52 Menche oh wait 2 conversations at once
02:52 dafull97 here is my world.mt : http://pastebin.com/kF3UVyTs
02:52 Menche oops lol
02:53 Menche dafull97: the beginning should be "load_mod_" instead of "mod_load_"
02:54 dafull97 ahh, ok
02:54 dafull97 here is what my mods folder consist of, also my world.mt : http://pastebin.com/0jYmDW6s
02:54 dafull97 please check that make sure it is correct
02:55 Mossmanikin Inocudom: actually ferns grow almost everywhere (different species of course in different areas)
02:55 Menche you put the mods in games/minetest_game/mods/ ?
02:55 Menche they should go in just mods/
02:56 dafull97 Menche is my stuff right?
02:56 Menche it looks like you put that in the game folder
02:56 dafull97 http://pastebin.com/0jYmDW6s <- my world.mt and my mods folder, please check make sure it is correct =D
02:56 Menche that isn't the way that mods are usually added but that actually *should* work
02:57 Menche dafull97: did you put the mods in .minetest/mods/ or .minetest/games/minetest_game/mods/    ?
02:58 dafull97 .minetest/mods
02:59 dafull97 is that correct folder?
03:00 Menche yeah
03:00 dafull97 k good
03:00 Menche why are 'default', 'vessels', 'stairs', and the other default mods listed there?
03:00 dafull97 fixing errors in world.mt
03:01 dafull97 that was in a package from 0gb.us github... haah
03:01 dafull97 so used it
03:02 Mossmanikin VanessaE: do you use ferns 0.1.2?
03:03 Menche dafull97, i'd remove the mods that are duplicates of the ones in minetest_game/mods
03:03 dafull97 can you list defaults?
03:03 dafull97 please
03:04 Menche bones  bucket  creative  default  doors  dye  external_legacy  farming  fire  flowers  give_initial_stuff  legacy  screwdriver  stairs  vessels  wool
03:04 Menche or, "ls .minetest/games/minetest_game/mods/"
03:05 VanessaE Mossmanikin: lemme check
03:05 VanessaE Mossmanikin: yep, seems to be
03:06 dafull97 ok, and the mods stll didnt work :(
03:06 Mossmanikin VanessaE: k, then you can change the spawning in SeTTiNGS.txt (in mod folder)
03:07 Menche dafull97, pastebin'ing the last part of your debug.txt would probably be usefull
03:07 VanessaE hadn't considered changing the settings.  heh
03:07 Inocudom Another thing to keep in mind is that you must extract the content's of the mods' zip files.
03:08 Inocudom Then, you must renamed the extracted main folder of a mod to the mod's true name.
03:08 VanessaE Horsetails_on_Stony = true  -fl
03:08 VanessaE Horsetails_on_Stony = true  --> false
03:08 VanessaE that's easy enough
03:08 Inocudom There is a program known as modster that can help out with this.
03:08 VanessaE oh, I just do it all from a script.
03:09 VanessaE trivial.
03:09 Mossmanikin or Horsetails_Spawning = false --> false
03:09 dafull97 ok, one second :)
03:09 VanessaE Mossmanikin: oh, they already spawn on mapgen?
03:10 Mossmanikin Horsetails_on_Stony and Horsetails_on_Grass is on magen
03:11 VanessaE gotchya
03:11 * VanessaE tweaks
03:11 Mossmanikin :D
03:12 Mossmanikin used the word spawning like in plants_lib there
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03:12 VanessaE *nod*
03:12 VanessaE I didn't realize there was a settings file.
03:12 VanessaE blindly installed it without looking :D
03:13 Mossmanikin did the same with moretrees a while ago :D
03:13 VanessaE does the only-spawn-saplings-ongen work okay for you?
03:13 VanessaE how's the lag with that setting?
03:14 Mossmanikin Didn't try it yet, only read about it
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03:15 dafull97 Menche
03:15 Menche ?
03:16 dafull97 did you say anything, mycomp lost net fir a sec
03:16 dafull97 for*
03:16 Menche not since your last message
03:17 dafull97 ok, here is debug
03:17 dafull97 http://pastebin.com/n3J0yzkF
03:18 Menche doesn't look like it can find the mods
03:18 Menche "/home/.minetest" <-- ?
03:18 dafull97 yse
03:18 dafull97 yes
03:18 Menche you have a user named ".minetest"?
03:19 Menche or that's just floating in the "/home" dir?
03:19 dafull97 um, i guess? might be floating
03:19 Menche what is the user you run it as?
03:19 dafull97 found my problem :D
03:19 VanessaE that should be /home/yourname/.minetest ...
03:19 VanessaE whatever your name is on the pc
03:20 VanessaE (for me, it's /home/minetest/.minetest because "minetest" is the username that my server runs as)
03:20 dafull97 i have no dir in the home named .minetest
03:20 dafull97 mine is in root
03:20 Menche your minetest debug.txt says the world is at "/home/.minetest/worlds/world"
03:21 dafull97 yes i need change that
03:21 dafull97 hmm...
03:21 Menche if you're running it as root (which *really* is not recommended) it should all be in /root/.minetest
03:23 dafull97 yes, i will change root when this run right...
03:23 dafull97 this is for testing
03:24 dafull97 i think it is working
03:25 dafull97 bout find out =D
03:27 dafull97 nope pastebin'in debug... wont run at all now
03:27 dafull97 http://pastebin.com/2AyvhKeN
03:28 VanessaE that means it worked :P
03:28 VanessaE now you just have to fix the mods that went wrong
03:28 VanessaE disable the "points" mod for now, work on that one later.
03:28 dafull97 yes mods work, but server wont run right
03:28 dafull97 ok
03:28 VanessaE first, get your server up and running with as many of your intended mods as you can, then start fixing and adding in the ones that don't work
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03:30 Mossmanikin VanessaE: just tested the saplings a bit; less lag while exploring, no saplings on the first block, prefer whole trees ongen
03:30 Inocudom Why is internet the slowest this time of night?
03:31 dafull97 what this mean -> teleport-mod" has unsatisfied dependencies:  "inventory_plus" "points_0gb_us"
03:32 VanessaE Mossmanikin: easy to change.  minetestfolder/worlds/yourw​orld/moretrees_settings.txt
03:32 VanessaE change moretrees.spawn_saplings to false.
03:32 Mossmanikin found it :)
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03:35 ShadowNinja VanessaE: Doesn't the filename imply the moretrees namespace? And wouldn't moretrees.conf be better?
03:35 dafull97 what does this mean? -> mod "teleport-mod" has unsatisfied dependencies:  "inventory_plus" "points_0gb_us"
03:35 ShadowNinja dafull97: You need those mods to run the mod "teleport-mod".
03:36 dafull97 and how would i do that? im newbie... lol
03:37 VanessaE ShadowNinja: the filename does imply it, but the file is "executed", so those turn into global variables.
03:37 VanessaE I try to do that with all my mods where some variable is intentionally made global
03:37 ShadowNinja VanessaE: You depend on latest git, right? Use Settings(worldpath.."/moretrees.conf")
03:38 dafull97 so the filename that came with it need to be the same?
03:38 VanessaE nope, moretrees should work fine with 0.4.6 and up, I think
03:38 VanessaE no, check that
03:38 VanessaE 0.4.7-stable and up
03:39 ShadowNinja VanessaE: Then see the old tehnic config.lua, it was a basic lua implementation of the Settings class.
03:39 VanessaE eh, I'm happy with the way it is :)
03:39 VanessaE if it ain't broke, don't fix it :)
03:40 dafull97 would the filenames that came with it have to stay the same??
03:41 VanessaE dafull97: never change any filenames in a mod.
03:41 VanessaE only the containing folder name, and ONLY if the author says to change it
03:41 dafull97 nice pilzadam told me to
03:41 dafull97 change them to whatever, but make sure there the same in the world.mt
03:42 dafull97 ok that explains why it wont run haha
03:42 dafull97 will fix tomarrow, thanks to all that has helped me !
03:43 dafull97 Goodnight all!
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03:44 thefamilygrog66 howdy folks
03:44 Mossmanikin hi
03:45 VanessaE hey tfg
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03:45 thefamilygrog66 is it possible to turn off falling damage for a specific player? I know that nodes can belong to a group that affects falling damage but I can't find anything else.
03:47 VanessaE yes it is possible to some degree
03:47 VanessaE see Jeija's jumping mod
03:47 VanessaE but it has to be on a per-node basis
03:49 Mossmanikin Does https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7224 effect fall damage?
03:49 thefamilygrog66 yeah, that's what I mean by "belong to a group"
03:49 VanessaE oh right, didn't see that part
03:50 VanessaE note to self:  read the whole sentence before replying :P
03:50 thefamilygrog66 haha
03:50 Mossmanikin :D
03:51 thefamilygrog66 Mossmanikin, I checked that out as well, but it doesn't deal with falling damage at all, just changes gravity strengths per planet
03:52 Mossmanikin So you jump high and then you die? :D
03:52 thefamilygrog66 I wonder if it would be possible to do what unchecking turn on damage does for a specific player
03:52 thefamilygrog66 *enable damage
03:53 thefamilygrog66 you can jump higher in that mod, but you fall more slowly as well
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03:53 thefamilygrog66 i.e. jump variable isnt changed, just gravity
03:53 Mossmanikin Ah, ok
03:55 Mossmanikin You're only talking about fall damage, right? Not lava, mobs...
03:56 thefamilygrog66 I'd take either at this point, since it's just a temporary change
03:56 thefamilygrog66 30 seconds or so
04:09 Mossmanikin maybe something with: minetest.setting_set("enable_damage", 0) ?
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05:42 Mossmanikin bye, later
06:46 ungali Hey: anyone else been on 0gb.us's server recently? It's going incredibly slow
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07:11 Calinou hi
07:15 VanessaE hi
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08:12 rubenwardy Hi All!
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08:25 VanessaE hey ruben
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08:42 JamesTait Good morning all; happy Comic Book Day! :-D
08:43 VanessaE hi
08:43 JamesTait Hey VanessaE! :)
08:43 JamesTait How's life?
08:43 VanessaE eh, it's life.
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09:06 UniversalNoob Hi @ll
09:08 UniversalNoob Is there a documentation for PilAdam's Farming Plus? I'm new to Farming completely and I don't know what to do
09:08 UniversalNoob *PilzAdam
09:08 VanessaE farming plus isn't useful right now
09:08 VanessaE at least not pilzadam's original
09:09 UniversalNoob Any alternative, you could suggest?
09:09 VanessaE zeg9's fork adds on-generate plants that you can harvest to get seeds from, then you just hoe some dirt (with a hoe, natch), put some water in a hole next to it, and put some seeds onto the hoed dirt.
09:10 VanessaE after a while the seeds will start to grow
09:10 VanessaE repeat according to the size of your desired farm
09:10 VanessaE most plants will yield a fruit or vegetable you can directly eat, some stuff such as pumpkins can be baked into pumpkin "cake"
09:11 VanessaE wheat (default farming) can be cooked into bread
09:11 VanessaE cotton (default) can be used to make wool blocks
09:11 UniversalNoob why wouldn't Farming Plus be useful now?
09:12 VanessaE because pilzadam's copy has no way to get seeds.
09:12 VanessaE no seeds = nothing to plant.
09:12 UniversalNoob Fair enough :)
09:12 VanessaE :)
09:12 VanessaE https://github.com/Zeg9/farming_plus
09:12 VanessaE clone that and have fun :)
09:12 UniversalNoob Thanks a bunch - and thank you as well for your mods :D
09:13 VanessaE use the mapgen branch specifically.
09:13 VanessaE sure thing.  enjoy :)
09:13 UniversalNoob Bye for now :)
09:13 VanessaE bye
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09:23 john_minetest Hello everypony
09:23 VanessaE hi
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11:34 PilzAdam Hello everyone!
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11:38 VanessaE hi
11:44 john_minetest hey PilzAdam
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11:45 rubenwardy Hi all!
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12:15 dafull97 VanessaE are you present?
12:15 VanessaE yes
12:15 dafull97 can yoou help me real quick?
12:15 dafull97 you*
12:15 VanessaE possibly, what's up?
12:16 dafull97 ok, last night you said never rename the mod folders, correct?
12:16 VanessaE no
12:16 dafull97 so i deleted all and redownloaded them, note - they came from github
12:17 VanessaE you don't rename them *unless* the author of the mod instructed you to
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12:18 VanessaE some mods from github end up as "minetest-mod-xxxxx", when the correct name is just xxxxx.  in this cases, they have to be renamed, and their authors will probably have said so in the forum posts for those mods
12:18 dafull97 ok, well i got maptools-master.zip (havn't unzipped yet) and 0gb.us_game-master.zip
12:18 VanessaE others are treated like modpacks (even when there's only one mod inside), in which case renaming isn't needed.
12:18 dafull97 do i renmane them?
12:19 dafull97 rename*
12:19 VanessaE maptools, yes.  the game one I don't know about, but being marked as a game, most likely it'll need to be 0gb.us_game
12:19 VanessaE (think minetest_game)
12:19 VanessaE (though that isn't strictly necessary)
12:20 VanessaE clear as mud? :D
12:20 dafull97 here is a the link for it, http://evilclown.herobo.com/0gb.us_game-master.zip that is one my website, so i could wget it onto my VPS
12:20 * VanessaE looks
12:21 rubenwardy virus!
12:21 dafull97 no virus, if you would like the github link i will gladly get it for you
12:21 VanessaE when you unzip that one, it'll create a new folder, 0gb.us_game-master .  Inside that, will be a single lone folder, 0gb.us_game .
12:21 VanessaE you'll just want to copy that lone folder to your minetest games folder.
12:22 dafull97 so after unzip just copy the whole thing onto my mods?
12:22 VanessaE no
12:22 VanessaE copy the inner "0gb.us_game" folder (not the outer one that says "-master") to your minetest GAMES folder.
12:23 VanessaE games are not mods (though they are made up of collections of them usually), so they go in a different place than a mod does.
12:23 PilzAdam hint: the games folder is .minetest/games/
12:23 VanessaE PilzAdam: he uses Windows 8.
12:23 VanessaE no wait,
12:23 PilzAdam ehm, he has a vps
12:23 VanessaE he's on linux, that's right
12:23 VanessaE and he runs his server as root :P
12:23 dafull97 yes im on ubuntu 12.04 vps, my server that is
12:23 PilzAdam I would sue the guy that offers windows 8 VPSs
12:24 VanessaE PilzAdam: you'd be suing nearly every data center out there I think :)
12:24 dafull97 i am running it as root temp...
12:24 VanessaE I'm pretty sure most of them have win 8 VPS's available.
12:24 VanessaE dafull97: I'm just ribbing you :)
12:24 rubenwardy ?
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12:24 dafull97 VanessaE, oh haha
12:25 dafull97 i have no games folder?
12:25 VanessaE dafull97: anyways, put 0gb.us_game into /root/.minetest/games
12:25 VanessaE if it doesn't exist, create it.
12:25 dafull97 and i thought that this was a mods pack thing?\
12:25 dafull97 ok, will create
12:25 VanessaE once you've got it working, for G*d sake get it all out of root and into a normal user account before your box is compromized
12:25 VanessaE compromised*
12:26 dafull97 i will, i need it working first :P
12:27 dafull97 so 0gb.us_game is a game? haha
12:27 VanessaE mmhmm
12:27 dafull97 do i need to add that as like load_game_<gamename>
12:27 VanessaE it is a collection of Lua mods, textures, models, etc. that are treated as a separate, self-contained game, just as minetest_game is.
12:27 dafull97 in the world.mt?
12:28 VanessaE no, you just install it to /root/.minetest/games and select it as the game you want your server to run, via the --gameid commandline parameter when you start the server.
12:29 VanessaE for example, you might run:   minetestserver --worldname My_kickass_world --config ~/.minetest/minetest.conf-server --gameid 0gb.us_game --port 30000
12:29 dafull97 ok, cool
12:29 VanessaE or something substantially similar to that.
12:29 dafull97 ok, thanks you have been so helpful =D so has Pilzadam
12:29 VanessaE I try :)
12:30 dafull97 PilzAdam*
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12:56 dafull97 How would i know that the game mode works?
12:57 VanessaE just do  /mods
12:57 VanessaE look for some of the mods that are contained in the game
12:58 VanessaE (games, as I said, are composed mostly of individual mods)
12:59 VanessaE youcan also examine the log output or just the output when you started it on the terminal
12:59 VanessaE it'll tell you
12:59 VanessaE whichever method is easiest for you
12:59 dafull97 it says maptools loaded
12:59 VanessaE s/it/your server/
12:59 VanessaE ok, that's good
13:00 VanessaE now scoll further up.  it'll say something about the game id
13:00 dafull97 ERROR[main]: WARNING: Using commanded gameid [0gb.us_game] instead of world gameid [minetest]
13:00 VanessaE it's helpful to search the .... that's it.
13:00 dafull97 ok... cool
13:00 VanessaE so it's using the right game.
13:00 dafull97 when i go in game
13:01 dafull97 it doesnt show the right one, can i use giveme command and test landclaim?
13:01 VanessaE sure
13:01 VanessaE but if it says "using commanded gameid" like that, then it's already using the right game
13:02 VanessaE provided you're looking at your *server* logs
13:02 VanessaE and not your *client* log
13:03 dafull97 i used /giveme land_claim and it didnt work?
13:04 VanessaE did it give an error?
13:04 VanessaE e.g. "unknown item" in the chat ares?
13:04 VanessaE area*
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13:04 dafull97 yes
13:04 VanessaE well, firstly...
13:04 VanessaE land_claim is just the mod name, maybe
13:04 VanessaE /giveme is used to get specific items
13:04 VanessaE for example,   /giveme default:coal_lump
13:05 VanessaE or /giveme moreblocks:super_glow_glass
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13:05 dafull97 yes, i was wanting the land claim to test if it works right
13:05 VanessaE is it a block of some kind?
13:05 dafull97 yes, it is a mods thing
13:05 dafull97 mod
13:05 * VanessaE checks
13:06 dafull97 in the 0gb.us_game
13:06 VanessaE no, it's not a block.
13:06 VanessaE it's a set of commands.
13:06 VanessaE well it's both
13:06 * VanessaE checks the mod's code
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13:08 andersje VanessaE: yeah, landclaim is kinda awesome.  craft a specific block, it restricts access to an area surrounding that block
13:08 VanessaE I don't see in the code where that object is even defined, let alone being used
13:08 * andersje is probably not giving new information
13:10 dafull97 https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=3679
13:10 dafull97 that is the forum for land_claim
13:10 dafull97 that is what i downloaded, gave me all their mods... or whatever
13:10 dafull97 and just put in the games folder
13:10 VanessaE well
13:11 VanessaE at the first post of that thread he says the land_clam mod is discontinued
13:11 VanessaE and that all efforts are focused on his game instead
13:11 VanessaE he directs people to this one:  https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=3808
13:12 VanessaE it looks like he's gone to a command-only system
13:13 dafull97 how does Landrush server still have them things?
13:13 VanessaE they probably use an older version
13:14 andersje it's a pity he gave up on landclaim.
13:14 andersje I really liked that.
13:14 VanessaE it looks like when he left us last time, he wiped out his whole 0gb.us/minetest folder from his website
13:14 andersje maybe in my copious free time I should fork it.
13:14 VanessaE all downloads are dead.
13:14 VanessaE and his old domain points to zdnet now.
13:14 dafull97 so no landclaims?
13:14 VanessaE so I guess he never restored that stuff when he came back
13:14 andersje dafull97: I might have an older copy I can grab off one of my servers.
13:15 andersje hold on, I'll check
13:15 VanessaE nope, guess not.  Use a different protection mod such as Areas, https://forum.minetest.net​/viewtopic.php?pid=110937
13:15 VanessaE or zeg9's protection mod, https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4212
13:16 dafull97 ok, i will ...
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13:16 dafull97 andersje: i would like that :)
13:16 VanessaE there's this one, also:  https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=3640
13:16 * andersje looks
13:17 VanessaE https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4799
13:17 VanessaE here's the one used on the Landrush server
13:18 VanessaE (I think)
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13:18 dafull97_ sorry stupid school net :(
13:18 dafull97_ did anyone say anything?
13:18 VanessaE dafull97_: try this one:  https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4799
13:18 VanessaE that may be the one you wanted.
13:18 * harrison deploys Cuttlefish Cloak
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13:19 dafull97_ yes probably =D
13:19 andersje http://www.angelar.com/~jeremy/landclaim.tar
13:19 andersje that's the one I was using, dafull97_
13:19 VanessaE in which case, you probably don't need 0gb.us_game unless you specifically wanted to use it.
13:19 andersje that's the last release, I think, of the landclaim mod
13:20 andersje it doesn't work on 0.4.7 though
13:20 andersje I don't think.
13:20 andersje maybe.
13:20 andersje haven't tested it a lot.  maybe it does.
13:20 dafull97_ i havnt seen any differance in anything with the 0gb.us_game
13:21 dafull97_ im back
13:21 VanessaE "I'm tired of people using lag to [...] steal stuff out of nodes that can't be locked like furnaces and auto crafters."
13:21 VanessaE hm, I should look into correcting that.
13:22 VanessaE (autocrafters are part of pipeworks, one of my mods)
13:22 VanessaE Hm, I kinda like the auto-ban feature.
13:24 * VanessaE pokes ShadowNinja ....  opinions?
13:24 andersje VanessaE: I know it's not a fix, but in the real world, no one puts machine tools outside of a locked shop...
13:25 VanessaE true enough, but if you read the whole sentence (I only pasted part of it), that's actually what he said was his intent.
13:25 VanessaE to protect private areas secured with locked doors and the like
13:26 * andersje nods
13:26 andersje okay, sorry.
13:26 andersje yeah, I have problems with my youngest son griefing our worlds
13:26 VanessaE s/secured/that are otherwise secured/
13:26 andersje he sees a locked door, so he mines his way in.
13:26 VanessaE time to kick his butt :)
13:27 andersje yeah, he loses interact privilege regularly.  then can't seem to understand why no one in the family wants to build on the world _he_ has administrative control of
13:28 VanessaE ah, I sense the presence of an Angel...of the RealBad variety
13:28 VanessaE (RBA posting on the forums again, about an hour ago)
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13:35 dafull97_ brb later guys, landrush mod not work... will explain more later
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13:51 dafull97 ok, im back
13:53 dafull97 VanessaE: still here?
13:53 VanessaE yes
13:54 dafull97 ok, landrush mod isn't working? :( haha'
13:55 VanessaE how do you know it isn't?
13:55 VanessaE what did oyu do to test it
13:55 VanessaE you*
13:56 dafull97 i stared server after unzip, rename, and edit world.mt
13:56 dafull97 did command /showarea
13:56 VanessaE and?
13:56 dafull97 it did invalid command i belive
13:56 dafull97 beleive
13:57 VanessaE hrm
13:57 dafull97 let me test 1 more time
13:57 VanessaE did you install the one I linked to, or at least the one andersje linked to?
13:59 dafull97 the one you did
13:59 dafull97 the landrush mod
13:59 VanessaE did you confirm that it loaded?
13:59 VanessaE ( /mods )
14:00 dafull97 yes
14:00 VanessaE and did it? :)
14:00 dafull97 it says issued command, dosnt do any thing
14:01 dafull97 all it says is issued command /showarea
14:01 VanessaE that doesn't mean much
14:01 VanessaE if it didn't say the command was unknown, then it worked
14:01 VanessaE at that point it's up to the mod to decide what to do with the command.
14:01 VanessaE idk what /showarea would do if given no parameters and no defined/claimed areas
14:02 arsdragonfly Seems that /showarea doesnt work on some GPUs
14:02 dafull97 i did /landowner and works =D says land is unowned
14:03 dafull97 when i try to build a land block thing it not work
14:03 dafull97 be back later
14:03 arsdragonfly Also the texture of /showarea is invalid,the filename contains a period or underscore
14:03 VanessaE you're using the wrong recipe, dafull97
14:03 VanessaE (probably)
14:03 arsdragonfly So a dummy texture is created each time
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14:30 [0gb_us] arsdragonfly, both periods and underscores are valid in texture names. I use them myself and the textures show up just fine.
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14:45 sfan5 hi everyone
14:45 VanessaE hi
14:47 andersje hola
14:53 [0gb_us] Hello!
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14:57 * Jordach SCREAMS FUUCKKK NOOOO
14:58 [0gb_us] Hmm?
14:58 VanessaE ?
14:58 [0gb_us] You weren't even here to read the bad news.
15:00 Jordach http://i.imgur.com/uxxIPZK.png
15:01 [0gb_us] Google UK in Chrome displaying suggested pages? I don't get it.
15:01 Jordach they changed most visited new tab into THAT
15:01 VanessaE what's wrong with it?
15:02 [0gb_us] Ah. Google wants you to search more then.
15:02 VanessaE because of the G+ stuff at the top?
15:03 Jordach i already use the omnibar, why do i need another search bar
15:03 VanessaE I can't imagine not having the Fast Dial screen on firefox..
15:04 PilzAdam Jordach, google sucks, admit it
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15:06 jojoa1997 hello
15:06 VanessaE hi
15:07 [0gb_us] Hello!
15:07 * Jordach hands blockmen $5
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15:11 ShadowNinja VanessaE: No auto-ban, that is too easy to trigger. And it prevents things like stacking out of a protected trap with lag.
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15:13 VanessaE I think the auto-ban is only on digging, not building
15:13 jojoa1997 what is auto-ban
15:13 VanessaE jojoa1997: a feature of the landrush mod
15:14 jojoa1997 me no likey
15:14 jojoa1997 i dont think it should be added
15:14 jojoa1997 also isnt protection stopping you from digging anyways
15:15 jojoa1997 well anyways cya guys and gals
15:15 [0gb_us] And landrush is meant for intentionally-hostile servers where you are SUPPOSED to try to wreck peoples' stuff.
15:15 * jojoa1997 trudges to 5th period
15:15 [0gb_us] Bye!
15:15 jojoa1997 bye
15:16 ShadowNinja /showarea in areas seems possible, I can individually set colision boxes and visual size. But you will have to be near the center of the area for it to work(if it is a large area)
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15:18 dafull97 ok, im back
15:19 dafull97 my problem is that i cannot make a claim block or sell block, vanessaE
15:19 VanessaE dafull97: perhaps you're using the wrong recipes
15:19 VanessaE for that, you will have to look through the mod's code to see what the recipe is, unless you have a working craft guide mod
15:20 dafull97 i used the one on the mod
15:20 dafull97 will you test it?
15:20 dafull97 =D
15:20 VanessaE no
15:20 VanessaE getting too tired to look at code right now
15:23 dafull97 ahw, ... oh no i was meaning testing the recipe... but ok... nevermind... thanks for all help so far
15:26 VanessaE it's okay, it's just I'd have to try to look through the code too since I don't know that mod
15:26 * harrison engulfs a tiny fish in its tentacles
15:26 dafull97 mese means the whole block right?
15:26 * harrison drifts towards the surface of the lagoon
15:26 VanessaE default:mese,  yeah
15:30 john_minetest sfan5: You have one page with image upload. What's the name again?
15:31 [0gb_us] Is there a bash command I can use to find which files contain a string without locating each instance of the string in each file? For example, grep is cumbersome for this, as it returns 14 results for test.cpp, when I only need one.
15:31 Jordach john_minetest, sfan5.duckdns.org/upload
15:31 sfan5 john_minetest: I do?
15:32 Jordach ninja'd
15:32 john_minetest thx
15:32 john_minetest imgur is somehow not working
15:33 * harrison engulfs a tiny fish in its tentacles
15:33 FreeFull [0gb_us]: There is a flag to grep that does that
15:33 [0gb_us] Okay, thanks!
15:34 FreeFull [0gb_us]: -L
15:34 FreeFull Oh, wait, actually -l
15:34 FreeFull -L prints the files that don't match
15:34 [0gb_us] Awesome, that did it. Thanks!
15:34 [0gb_us] Ugh, I have my work cut out for me ...
15:34 dafull97 VanessaE,  i was using wrong recipe, i was using a whole mese block instead of the crystal
15:37 [0gb_us] Okay, who knows how to make ndef available in a given context in Minetest's source?
15:37 Jordach [0gb_us], with scissors yes
15:38 [0gb_us] Yes, many, many scissors.
15:38 FreeFull dafull97: Give that mese a good whack
15:39 * Jordach has something new
15:40 PilzAdam [0gb_us], client or server context?
15:40 dafull97 yea, i already figured it out
15:40 dafull97 i needed to use crytals
15:40 [0gb_us] I believe server. I need to replace CONTENT_AIR with c_air, and c_air is defined as ndef->getId("mapgen_air").
15:41 [0gb_us] So maybe both? I don't know.
15:41 * Jordach has always wondered what x->y does
15:41 PilzAdam I though about his mapgen_air thing; I think its better to let it be CONTENT_AIR; mods can place their own air in on_generated() if they want
15:41 PilzAdam its just too messy to have mapgen_air in the core
15:42 PilzAdam Jordach, x is a pointer to an object
15:42 PilzAdam if x was the object itself, no the pointer, then it woul be x.y
15:43 PilzAdam x->y == (*x).y
15:43 [0gb_us] Okay, if that is the case, was I right in taking mapgen_air out of those files, or was there another issue with that?
15:43 PilzAdam [0gb_us], I guess the pull request is fine then
15:43 [0gb_us] (Just so I know if I need to continue something.)
15:43 [0gb_us] Okay, cool.
15:43 * john_minetest never understood why x->y works
15:44 * harrison drifts towards the surface of the lagoon
15:44 [0gb_us] I had no idea how entangled CONTENT_AIR was with the core ...
15:44 [0gb_us] I thought it would be an easy swap.
15:45 * Jordach sounds the "oh no" alarm
15:46 [0gb_us] I have one final question for now: If I have a directory that is a Git repository, and I delete it, are the branches on the local machine deleted as well, or are they stored elsewhere on the system?
15:47 PilzAdam they are in the .git folder in that directory
15:47 PilzAdam so if you delete it, its gone
15:47 [0gb_us] Okay, awesome. Thanks!
15:48 [0gb_us] I always worried I was building up a stash of unused files when deleting those.
15:49 PilzAdam git gc --aggressive  should remove the unused data after removing branches with git branch -d
15:50 PilzAdam I think git branch -d just removes the branch pointer
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15:52 * Jordach mails [0gb_us] a 1TB disk
15:53 * Calinou mails [0gb_us] a 1TB SSD
15:54 * Jordach would never fill a 1TB disk
15:54 Jordach Calinou, seen the atrocity they did to chrome's new tab page
15:54 Calinou no?
15:55 Jordach http://i.imgur.com/uxxIPZK.png
15:55 [0gb_us] I could definitely use two more terabytes of disk space. I only have 80 GiB on my local machine.
15:55 FreeFull Yeah, 80 GiB isn't much nowadays
15:55 Calinou more like "nothing"
15:55 Calinou </average user>
15:56 Calinou people say I'm a weird guy for using a 256GB SSD and nothing else already
15:56 ShadowNinja Well integrated with google services is nice, but I don't want google+ on my new tab page.
15:56 * PilzAdam 's main partition is 24 GiB
15:56 * Jordach 's main partition is 55GiB
15:56 [0gb_us] Especially when I need a Windows system in VirtualBox for class and a Xubuntu system in VirtualBox as well. I basically have three systems sharing one hard drive.
15:57 FreeFull I could probably still survive on 30 GiB if I had to
15:57 FreeFull But it's nice to be able to hoard data
15:57 [0gb_us] I used to survive on a 20 GiB drive, but I had hardly anything installed.
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15:58 * Calinou has 30gb root, 1gb swap, the rest is home
15:58 Jordach 1GB Swap
15:58 Jordach lol
15:58 ShadowNinja [0gb_us]: Some people have mentioned that they would like if you maintained your mods, particularly landclaim.
15:58 Calinou why lol?
15:58 * Jordach sits here with 2GB
15:58 Calinou you don't need more these days
15:58 Jordach making 4GB total memory :P
15:58 * PilzAdam has 0.25 GiB swap
15:58 Calinou "total memory"
15:58 Calinou half of your "total memory" is very slow, you should work at nvidia
15:59 * Calinou looks at GTX 660/660 Ti
15:59 Jordach Calinou, 913MB main RAM used
15:59 [0gb_us] Landclaim is being reworked into something larger. It may be a good idea for me to maintain a separate version as well ... I don't know what other ones I have though that shouldn't just be trashed.
15:59 Jordach i can drop that to 256mb without any apps running on W7
15:59 PilzAdam with KDE and FF running I have always > 1 GiB RAM usage
15:59 [0gb_us] Maintained .... Is Landclaim not working any more?
15:59 ShadowNinja [0gb_us]: Something larger?
16:00 [0gb_us] A full game. 2000+ nodes. Which is why a separate version in addition is probably a good idea for use with other games.
16:00 ShadowNinja I heard that it was broken with latest git somewhere.
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16:01 Jordach hey Jeija
16:01 Jeija hi
16:01 VanessaE hey jeija
16:01 [0gb_us] I never made it compatible with the unstable versions. It was always up to the latest stable version. I do need to maintain it again, but that won't fix the Git version issue.
16:02 [0gb_us] Hello!
16:02 Calinou hi
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16:07 thexyz https://forum.minetest.net/viewforum.php?id=6
16:07 thexyz top 5 topics
16:08 Jordach plol
16:09 thexyz > Puzzles and questions
16:09 thexyz > 4+4*4=?
16:09 thexyz are you americans that stu^W^W^W^W^Wforget it
16:09 VanessaE this is a puzzle?
16:11 thexyz oh, south africa
16:11 Jordach > south africa
16:11 Jordach seems legit
16:11 * Jordach lols
16:11 thexyz https://forum.minetest.net/search.php?a​ction=show_user_posts&amp;user_id=7456
16:13 VanessaE talks like a 10 year old
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16:14 dafull97 VanessaE did you get what i tried telling you
16:15 VanessaE which part?
16:15 dafull97 when i got the recipe thing working
16:16 VanessaE oh yeah I saw
16:16 dafull97 .... i was using the whole mese block, instead of the crystal mese
16:17 PilzAdam thexyz, he apparently is 9 years old
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16:17 PilzAdam see his posts
16:18 dafull97 thanks to all for helping me, if there was a way i could "rep" or "recommend" you i would =D
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16:22 Jordach EVERYONE RUN!! THE CHANNEL KILLER IS HERE!
16:23 dafull97 what?
16:25 thexyz PilzAdam: judging people by their chronological age is not the best thing to do, but this correlates too well
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16:29 GNADev|zRokh question about modding: how do i create a fuction that:
16:29 GNADev|zRokh would make a sound every X seconds,
16:29 GNADev|zRokh that would execute another function in Y seconds
16:29 GNADev|zRokh ... after the start
16:29 GNADev|zRokh do i use ABM? and if so, then how?
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16:33 rubenwardy Hi all
16:34 GNADev|zRokh hi
16:34 GNADev|zRokh ruben, how do i make a function (possibly ABM) that makes a sound in X seconds and executes another function in Y seconds after start
16:35 rubenwardy minetest.after(seconds,function)
16:35 rubenwardy wait...
16:35 [0gb_us] Hello!
16:35 rubenwardy yeahj
16:35 rubenwardy https://github.com/minetest/minetes​t/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L1391
16:36 rubenwardy Do you need to know how to play a sound?
16:38 john_minetest Press any key on your piano!
16:40 jin_xi u liek kittehs? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSMCRD35ch4
16:41 sfan5 !titöe
16:41 sfan5 !title
16:41 sfan5 derp
16:41 sfan5 MinetestBot!
16:41 MinetestBot sfan5!
16:42 rubenwardy lol
16:43 * Jordach pets MinetestBot
16:43 john_minetest Hello MinetestBot
16:43 MinetestBot Hello john_minetest
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16:46 GNADev|zRokh sprry, rubenwardy, yes i do... :) like if y = 45 seconds then it will make a sound and exec the function when 45 seconds are done
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16:47 dafull97 So you guys said it isn't recommended to run your minetest server root, i made the user... now would i add this user as admin?
16:47 * Jordach just failed
16:48 rubenwardy /grant <user> all
16:48 Jordach material wasnt set to traceable
16:48 rubenwardy where <user> = name, eg "dafull97"
16:48 rubenwardy w/o "
16:48 rubenwardy w/o quotes
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16:49 GNADev|zRokh rubenwardy, how do i start the timer when the node is placed? on_place({}) ?
16:49 GNADev|zRokh i mean on_place()
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16:50 GNADev|zRokh oh, i have a question, can i download the whole Minetest API Wiki?
16:50 dafull97 im meaning on my VPS, i dont want to run as root... but my server crashes when it starts now
16:51 rubenwardy download lua_api
16:51 GNADev|zRokh you mean the text file? well isnt there a way to download the API website?
16:51 rubenwardy no
16:51 rubenwardy lua api has more
16:52 GNADev|zRokh oh... the API of Lua, not MT? is there a book that i can download?
16:53 dafull97 VanessaE: please help =D
16:53 VanessaE just, as root, move all your files over to some other user account, change the ownership of them to that user, and tweak your start script to the right paths.
16:54 VanessaE then go non-root and launch the server.
16:54 rubenwardy no
16:54 rubenwardy https://github.com/minetest/mine​test/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt
16:55 dafull97 i have to change ownership of my server files?
16:55 PilzAdam of course you can download the wiki
16:55 rubenwardy can you?
16:55 GNADev|zRokh but thats the text file that comes with minetest.
16:55 PilzAdam how else can it display in your browser?
16:55 GNADev|zRokh PilzAdam, how?
16:55 GNADev|zRokh ...
16:55 rubenwardy lol
16:55 VanessaE dafull97: yes.  chown -R username foldername ; basically, for everything that says /root/ in a path somewhere in your minetest configs/scripts, change those references to /home/username/
16:55 VanessaE get it?
16:55 GNADev|zRokh i mean so i can use it offline...
16:55 rubenwardy I thought you would say that
16:55 GNADev|zRokh :D
16:55 rubenwardy hes trolling you
16:55 GNADev|zRokh i know
16:56 GNADev|zRokh i pitty the fool who trolls on me
16:56 VanessaE GNADev|zRokh: download the 'raw' file or look in your minetest folder.  there's probably already a copy there.
16:56 PilzAdam hows that trolling? one could simply wget the pages or use the browser cache
16:56 GNADev|zRokh the browser has a cache?
16:56 GNADev|zRokh O.o
16:57 GNADev|zRokh VanessaE, there is a lua_api.txt in Minetest/doc/
16:57 VanessaE that should be the same file.
16:57 GNADev|zRokh but i dont want to use that, its too confusing... i want something more graphical
16:57 VanessaE it doesn't change that often
16:57 VanessaE graphical?  for a text document?
16:57 VanessaE you're in the wrong field.
16:58 GNADev|zRokh or... VanessaE, how do i download the whole dev folder in minetest.net (dev.minetest.net) with wget?
16:58 VanessaE you don't.
16:58 GNADev|zRokh ?
16:58 VanessaE you download the zip or you `git clone` it
16:58 GNADev|zRokh how do i dl the zip?
16:58 GNADev|zRokh of the api wiki folde
16:58 GNADev|zRokh ...r
16:58 VanessaE um, just go to the github page and click the ZIP button on the right
16:59 PilzAdam VanessaE, since when is the dev wiki on github?
16:59 VanessaE get the api doc out of there, or go directly view it and save the file out
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16:59 GNADev|zRokh ... i dont want the text file, i already have it
16:59 VanessaE PilzAdam: where did he say dev wiki?
16:59 GNADev|zRokh dev.minetest.net
16:59 PilzAdam <GNADev|zRokh> or... VanessaE, how do i download the whole dev folder in minetest.net (dev.minetest.net) with wget?
16:59 VanessaE oh, misread that part.
16:59 GNADev|zRokh dev.minetest.net == minetest.net/dev
16:59 GNADev|zRokh thus the dev folder
17:00 VanessaE wget --recursive http://blah/folder
17:00 PilzAdam ehm, no
17:00 VanessaE or something like that
17:00 VanessaE but that's not a proper use of the tool
17:00 PilzAdam minetest.net/dev isnt dev.minetest.net
17:00 sfan5 holy shit! http://store.steampowered.co​m/livingroom/SteamMachines/
17:00 GNADev|zRokh it isnt?
17:01 GNADev|zRokh thanks vanessae :D
17:01 GNADev|zRokh it works
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17:05 thexyz sfan5: wow great! another closed-software, closed-hardware, 146% proprietary piece of TV media center
17:05 Calinou >closed-hardware
17:05 Calinou thexyz: what are you using right now? :P
17:06 thexyz well, okay, they say it can be "hacked"
17:06 thexyz Calinou: yeah, I meant "locked down hardware"
17:06 Calinou locked down is a better term
17:06 Calinou open hardware is dead
17:06 thexyz which you can't, say, install other OS on but it seems I was wrong
17:06 thexyz let's see
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17:08 thexyz they seem to be pretty much butthurt about windows 8 marketplace
17:08 rubenwardy GNADev|zRokh: https://gist.github.com/rube​nwardy/9f9cc86327a5f714a328
17:08 GNADev|zRokh whats that?
17:08 rubenwardy code
17:08 thexyz anyway, I want to see specs
17:08 rubenwardy for minetest.after
17:08 GNADev|zRokh oh
17:08 GNADev|zRokh ok, thanks
17:09 rubenwardy replace spec with music name and param with parameters
17:09 rubenwardy see lua_api!
17:09 GNADev|zRokh ok, i will... just not now
17:09 GNADev|zRokh oh, and how do i replace x with y?
17:09 GNADev|zRokh nodes
17:09 GNADev|zRokh or all blocks in x radius to y
17:10 Jordach there's nothing wrong with SteamOS
17:10 Jordach they've had a good idea
17:10 GNADev|zRokh Gaben > Bill Gates
17:10 * Jordach begs to differ
17:11 thexyz then imagine hl3 being linux only
17:11 Calinou will never happen
17:11 Calinou linux-only has never happened for obvious reasons
17:11 dafull97 VanessaE: I cant back into root?
17:11 thexyz okay, being linux first
17:11 dafull97 it is locked me out
17:11 Calinou and AAA games with linux support on release day has almost never happened in these last 5 years
17:11 dafull97 ?
17:12 GNADev|zRokh thexyz OMG, what if :D
17:12 Jordach what if i told you HL3 is FUD
17:13 GNADev|zRokh FUD?
17:13 Jordach Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt
17:13 GNADev|zRokh Forever under development?
17:13 GNADev|zRokh oh...
17:13 VanessaE dafull97: use the same way you always go between user and root
17:13 VanessaE s/go/use to go/
17:13 GNADev|zRokh well mine works too!
17:13 VanessaE su or sudo or whatever
17:13 GNADev|zRokh i use sudo :P
17:13 thexyz I've never played HL anyway
17:14 thexyz is it good?
17:15 Jordach yes and no
17:15 Jordach some bits are shit, some are good
17:15 Jordach (i've played HL2)
17:15 GNADev|zRokh i've played HL1/HL:S/HL:OS/HL:BS
17:15 GNADev|zRokh :P
17:15 GNADev|zRokh HL:S kinda lagged...
17:16 GNADev|zRokh but not much
17:16 dafull97 VanessaE: i did, it ask for root password... and i type it and it says incorrect password
17:16 Calinou "HL:BS" lol
17:16 VanessaE then you didn't type your password right
17:16 GNADev|zRokh what?
17:16 GNADev|zRokh i didnt finish BS or OS
17:16 GNADev|zRokh :D
17:16 * Jordach waits for blender to render
17:17 Jordach mmmmmm energy drink :D
17:17 GNADev|zRokh mmmmmmmm.... Jordach :D
17:18 * Calinou drinks Jordach
17:18 thexyz BS for bullshit, correct?
17:18 Jordach 0.O
17:18 GNADev|zRokh yeah, it kinda is...
17:18 GNADev|zRokh OS is better :D
17:18 Pelayo_ I always called it Blue Shit
17:18 GNADev|zRokh :D
17:18 dafull97 VanessaE: will be on in a few mins...
17:19 VanessaE no, I'm heading off for a while
17:19 VanessaE bbl
17:19 * GNADev|zRokh is using Transmission to peer file download_full_minetest_api_website_free_full​_premium_best_fast_dev_minetest_net.torrent
17:19 GNADev|zRokh :D
17:19 GNADev|zRokh best torrent name ever :D
17:20 Jordach GNADev|zRokh, shush
17:20 GNADev|zRokh ok
17:22 GNADev|zRokh hey, i never did ask, how do you ppl like the idea of Terror?
17:23 rubenwardy ?
17:23 rubenwardy Terror is terrific
17:24 GNADev|zRokh :D
17:24 GNADev|zRokh you mean Terror-ific :D
17:25 GNADev|zRokh [Game] Terror [terror]
17:25 GNADev|zRokh im Modding General
17:26 * Jordach coughs
17:26 Jordach that's a bad pun and you should feel ashamed
17:27 rubenwardy Are you ragnar?
17:28 GNADev|zRokh yes
17:28 * GNADev|zRokh is so ashamed...
17:28 GNADev|zRokh rubenwardy, didnt you know?
17:28 GNADev|zRokh even jordach knew i was Ragnar
17:28 GNADev|zRokh :D
17:28 Jordach and that's why you're often !muted
17:28 GNADev|zRokh thats mean... i cant stop being Ragnar... its who i am
17:29 * Jordach continually waits in perputuum waiting for blender to finish rendering
17:29 Jordach 30 light samples; yes i'm mad :D
17:30 GNADev|zRokh PilzAdam, remember you helped me make a weapon mod? can you help me a little with this one?
17:30 GNADev|zRokh i need help with the code for shooting bullets
17:31 GNADev|zRokh rubenwardy, how do i disable the movement of the tool when used? is that possible? like when clicked with it then it doesnt move (like breaking)
17:31 GNADev|zRokh like the breaking animation*
17:32 rubenwardy no idea
17:32 Jordach you cant and wont stop punch animation
17:32 Jordach </deal_with_it>
17:33 GNADev|zRokh yo, jordach, you know like the meme where a girl takes away a guys sunglasses, he has another pair on and then he sais "Deal with it"
17:33 GNADev|zRokh i love that meme :D
17:35 * Jordach is considering making a Pack of Minetest Playing Cards
17:36 GNADev|zRokh oo :D
17:36 GNADev|zRokh can i help?
17:36 Jordach no
17:36 GNADev|zRokh can i help
17:36 Jordach no
17:37 * GNADev|zRokh will only stop is Jordach says yes
17:37 Jordach you forget i have !mute
17:37 GNADev|zRokh can i PLEASE help (last attempt)
17:37 Jordach oh, and i silenced your PM channel in Quassel
17:37 GNADev|zRokh ?
17:38 Jordach http://mg.viewskew.com/mgoblin_med​ia/media_entries/379/untitled.png
17:39 Jordach (finally got a use for the coffee mugs)
17:41 GNADev|zRokh Jordach: <obama> Not Bad </obama>
17:42 Jordach you're taking up 68% of my chat buffer
17:42 Jordach gtfo
17:42 Jordach (current onscreen buffer and not sqlite db scrollback)
17:43 * GNADev|zRokh is making textures for stuff in Terror
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17:45 dafull97 PilzAdam you here?
17:46 dafull97 Any Developers or people good with VPS/SSH here?
17:47 Jordach dafull97, get putty
17:47 Jordach !g "putty ssh"
17:47 MinetestBot Jordach: http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/
17:47 Jordach or sudo apt-get install putty
17:48 dafull97 yes, i need help with root
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17:48 dafull97 i am locked out off room
17:48 dafull97 root
17:49 Jordach dafull97, sudo su
17:49 Jordach then type pass
17:49 Jordach it logs you into root
17:50 Jordach (that is provided you have sudoers on)
17:51 dafull97 not in the sudoers file
17:51 dafull97 that what it says
17:52 Jordach hmm
17:52 Jordach you'll need to re-install the OS
17:53 Calinou you do not log into root
17:53 Calinou err
17:53 Calinou nvm
17:54 Calinou dafull97: does your host let you use root? :P
17:55 dafull97 yes
17:56 dafull97 i made a new user for minetest server, then root stopped working
17:58 GNADev|zRokh ok, i think im done with the textures :D
17:59 Jordach prototype Ace of Mese: http://i.imgur.com/Jx3VftE.png
17:59 Jordach i will provide print out sheets for people when i'm done
18:00 Jordach and yes - ace of diamonds is obvious ;)
18:03 dafull97 anymore help?
18:04 GNADev|zRokh nope.avi
18:08 Jordach ;) https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=111999#p111999
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18:12 GNADev|zRokh how to make a function?
18:12 GNADev|zRokh fucntion start_timer(){} ?
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18:14 Jordach there are no curly brackets in Lua
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18:18 PilzAdam Jordach, pls show me a Lua table then ;-)
18:19 Jordach PilzAdam, except those
18:19 Jordach functions aren't like C or Java
18:19 Jordach PilzAdam, i've been toying with repl.it as well as Love 2D
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18:22 GNADev|zRokh what?
18:22 GNADev|zRokh wait wait wait.... so how do i make a function?
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18:22 Jordach !g "lua function"
18:22 MinetestBot Jordach: http://www.lua.org/pil/25.2.html
18:24 GNADev|zRokh Jordach: let's flip da coin
18:24 GNADev|zRokh Flips a coin: TAILS
18:24 GNADev|zRokh Flips a coin: HEADS
18:24 GNADev|zRokh what are you?
18:24 GNADev|zRokh Tails or Heads?
18:25 Jordach neither
18:25 Jordach games like that are 1:2 chance
18:25 Jordach I'd rather use a Gaussian Distributor
18:25 Jordach 10 slots to distribute 1 coin
18:26 Jordach side of coin doesnt matter, the machine is the chance
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18:26 DanDuncombe Is paramat here?
18:27 DanDuncombe AH, he isn't
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18:27 Jordach plol
18:27 GNADev|zRokh wait... i have a great game idea :D
18:27 GNADev|zRokh Minetest Roulette
18:27 GNADev|zRokh its like russian roulette... just with TNT :D
18:27 GNADev|zRokh ok, it doesnt seem logical...
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18:29 GNADev|zRokh what could be the "revolver" in Minetest Roulette?
18:29 dafull97 anyone that can help me with my ssh?
18:30 john_minetest My computer has a 1:5 chance of actually starting.
18:31 * Jordach hands john_minetest a hammer
18:32 dafull97 no noone can? =D
18:32 GNADev|zRokh https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7300
18:32 GNADev|zRokh :D
18:32 GNADev|zRokh nah dood... dont think so
18:33 GNADev|zRokh Jordach, check the link
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18:36 dafull97 VannessaE: are you here?
18:37 john_minetest Jordach: Actually there IS a hammer on my desk.
18:37 john_minetest I always keep it there but I never used it.
18:37 GNADev|zRokh john, it is time...
18:37 john_minetest When a thief comes in he has to feel the power of greyskull.
18:37 john_minetest :D
18:38 GNADev|zRokh you mean brokenskull... :D
18:38 john_minetest greyskull
18:38 GNADev|zRokh click [ -- LIKE -- ] if you have ever combusted
18:38 GNADev|zRokh *click*
18:38 john_minetest Which is protected by the Heroic He-Man and his tiger.
18:39 GNADev|zRokh who's He Man?
18:39 john_minetest And man-in-arms and that bird lady
18:39 GNADev|zRokh you mean THE bird lady :P
18:40 john_minetest He-Man is the coolest male super hero ever. After Tony stark and that strange guy in she-ra.
18:40 john_minetest On the other hand that man from she-ra isn't that cool...
18:40 john_minetest So He-man is the second coolest male super hero ever
18:42 Jordach john_minetest, Tony Stark is everyone's dream
18:42 Jordach hands down.
18:42 * Jordach probably prefers being a Minetest character
18:43 * GNADev|zRokh puts his hands up in the air, trying to act like he doesn't care but tonight he's all alone because now he's in the friends zone.
18:44 GNADev|zRokh Jordach, what song was just told in the 3rd person?
18:46 GNADev|zRokh john_minetest, what was the song?
18:46 GNADev|zRokh anybody?
18:47 GNADev|zRokh Your Favourite Martian - Friend Zone
18:48 Jordach <- not giving a fuck
18:49 GNADev|zRokh :/
18:49 * GNADev|zRokh is that song
18:49 GNADev|zRokh yet nobody seems to bat an eye
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18:50 dafull97 Anyone  can help me? =D locked out of ssh root
18:51 pitriss dafull97: if I'm not confused, this is not #ubuntu but #minetest
18:52 dafull97 true, has to do with minetest, ha
18:52 dafull97 made a user just to run minetest
18:52 dafull97 and right after i cant access root
18:52 pitriss but, it is not MT problem but OS problem
18:52 pitriss so please go spam to correct channel:]
18:52 dafull97 ok... are yu development or mod/admin
18:53 dafull97 ?
18:53 pitriss Nope, I'm "only" unix sysadmin..
18:53 GNADev|zRokh sysadmin? whats a system administrator?
18:53 pitriss But i don't want to help you with your messed up ubuntu..
18:53 GNADev|zRokh you mean a PC Owner?
18:54 GNADev|zRokh oh, snap!
18:54 dafull97 ok, then please dont reply with these lame replies im looking for help, not to be corrected
18:54 dafull97 thanks!
18:54 pitriss dafull97: you asking lame questions, so i reply with vague answers:)
18:54 dafull97 sure, bequiet
18:55 dafull97 any one else can *HELP*
18:55 pitriss dafull97: nobody here have telpatic abilities so nobody can know what you did wrong..
18:55 pitriss dafull97: so, revert your changes or as somebody said, reinstall your vps
18:55 dafull97 dont reply to me, thanks!!
18:55 pitriss dafull97: you write in public room, so everybody can reply.. :)
18:56 dafull97 i wont reply to you kid
18:56 pitriss lol:)
18:56 pitriss but kid.. yeah such compliment..:D
18:57 Jordach Fun Fact: my playing cards have something clever about them :)
18:58 Jordach when you have 9 and 10, well, let's just say single ingots / crystals wont fit ;)
18:58 GNADev|zRokh what?
18:58 GNADev|zRokh what?
18:58 pitriss Jordach: you are creyting some card game mod? If yes, nice!
18:58 pitriss *creating
18:58 GNADev|zRokh no, real life cards
18:58 GNADev|zRokh he'll make a printable sheet for them when its finished
19:00 pitriss even better:D but, in real cards is too much "woo doo" to keep them durable.. :/
19:00 Jordach pitriss, use craft card, because two layers of that + lamination is almost impossible to break
19:00 Jordach comes in A4 and is usually white
19:01 pitriss ahh..:) yes that can be solution:
19:01 pitriss )
19:02 john_minetest My computer is trolling me :(
19:03 john_minetest It crashes randomly.
19:03 Jordach Diamonds, Hearts and Mese is done
19:04 * Jordach grunts loudly
19:04 Jordach :( no MS publisher type thing in LibreOffice
19:06 PilzAdam VanessaE, Jordach, https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=111998#p111998 oppinions?
19:06 Jordach debatable
19:06 Jordach not entirely sure
19:07 Jordach i'll move it one one condition: that name must change to consensus_game
19:07 Jordach brb
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19:26 PilzAdam someone should tell him to come back when he is older: https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=112026#p112026
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19:41 ShadowNinja Note! Your signature is not displayed in your posts because you have not spent enough time at the forum. [...] <-- Was the minimum post count changed?
19:42 Jordach it used to be 10 posts
19:42 Jordach literally.
19:43 ShadowNinja Yes, and I have 33. What is it now? How much must I flood the forum to get it to show up?
19:43 Jordach probably 100
19:43 * Calinou facehooves
19:44 Jordach <- isnt sure
19:44 Calinou such a restriction above 10 posts is stupid
19:44 Jordach fun fact: i've finished all my card faces
19:44 Jordach except the rendered characters
19:45 Jordach i'm planning on a two stage process for royal cards: Sam I for king, MinetestBot for Queen and Sam II for Jack
19:45 Jordach (hint, Sam II is the successor to Sam I) ;)
19:46 Evergreen You mind if I have the .blend file for my skin?
19:47 Jordach ...
19:47 Jordach why
19:47 Jordach and which one
19:47 Jordach normal or the super secret project variant
19:47 Jordach GOGOGO.
19:49 Evergreen The normal one
19:49 Evergreen The tree one ofc
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20:10 sfan5 Jordach: https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=112043#p112043
20:11 Jordach hits close spoiler
20:11 Jordach sfan5, i've almost finished :D
20:11 sfan5 :D
20:11 Jordach then i'll make a .pdf as everyone can read it
20:11 Jordach not to mention LO exports in it
20:15 PilzAdam sfan5, can the forum make an exception and allow me to take that picture as signature?
20:16 sfan5 PilzAdam: ln -s $this <forum admins>
20:16 sfan5 oops, swap them
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20:16 * sfan5 always forgets the ln -s syntax
20:17 sfan5 (only forum admins can change that and I don't think PunBB allows making excuses)
20:19 ShadowNinja PunBB isn't very feature-packed. I doubt that can be done.
20:20 Jordach fuck, i can fit 5 playing cards (poker size) to 1 a4 sheetr
20:20 Jordach -r
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20:20 Jordach !c 56*2
20:20 MinetestBot 112
20:21 Jordach !c 112/5
20:21 MinetestBot 22.4
20:21 Jordach dammit
20:21 Jordach 22 pages \o/
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20:24 Jordach there's no rotate in LO
20:24 Jordach wtf
20:25 Jordach !c 112/4
20:25 MinetestBot 28
20:26 Jordach 28 pages for 4 to 1 page (i really cant fit 5, just noticed the text border line)
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20:28 sfan5 Jordach: "text border line"
20:28 sfan5 what is that?
20:29 Jordach sfan5, where text and shit wraps round
20:29 Jordach i aint going past that line
20:29 sfan5 I'm sure you can disable that
20:29 Jordach some printers wont
20:29 sfan5 = shitty printer
20:29 sfan5 anyway
20:30 sfan5 good night everyone
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20:33 paramat progress in paragen mod http://i.imgur.com/UG7WfTj.png
20:33 Jordach woah
20:33 Jordach but i still prefer mapgen
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20:38 Jordach btw, 7/28 pages
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20:43 NakedFury looking wild
20:44 john_minetest Glad that I am not living in a paragen mod world
20:51 john_minetest nice, my old laptop runs quite well again
20:52 * Calinou throws a pony at john_minetest's old laptop
20:53 * john_minetest laughes. Nothing can kill a Lenovo T61.
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21:03 dafull97 who is present?
21:03 john_minetest who is past?
21:05 PilzAdam who is future?
21:05 Calinou /whois future
21:05 Calinou /whowas past
21:05 Calinou err, /whois present
21:05 Calinou /whowill future
21:05 Calinou :>
21:05 dafull97 hahaha
21:06 dafull97 whatever
21:06 PilzAdam * [future] (~future@2001:4118:10:4000::2206): future
21:06 PilzAdam * [future] calvino.freenode.net :Milan, IT
21:06 PilzAdam * [future] is using a secure connection
21:06 PilzAdam * [future] Ende der WHOIS-Liste.
21:06 PilzAdam past and present dont exist
21:07 harrison I wonder why none of these vr projects includes text2speech
21:08 harrison using an external server
21:08 john_minetest Because real speaking persons have a wider spectrum of speech.
21:08 harrison espeak perhaps
21:08 john_minetest They can speak angry, happy, as if they are drunk and a lot more.
21:09 john_minetest They can laugh.
21:09 harrison we are laughing now
21:09 john_minetest Today's speech synths are pretty crappy.
21:09 john_minetest At least the ones I tried.
21:10 harrison I like espeak
21:10 harrison it sounds like a computer
21:10 john_minetest espeak is nice, yeah. But language/speech is much more than having letters with the right pronounciation in a row.
21:10 harrison but is easy to listen to
21:11 john_minetest When I say "Of course" I can be sarcastic or not, depending on how I say it.
21:12 john_minetest Well, gtg now. cya.
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21:16 dafull97 [0gb_us] assistance? or PilzAdam?
21:16 [0gb_us] Hmm? WHat do you need?
21:16 [0gb_us] I just got here, I don't know what you've been working on.
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21:19 dafull97 well, are you good in ssh?
21:21 [0gb_us] Ssh is just like sh, which I use all the time.
21:22 [0gb_us] I do use ssh to contact my server as well.
21:31 [0gb_us] dafull97, what are you needing help with in ssh?
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21:36 pitriss lol again that kid who broke his ubuntu VPS..:D
21:39 [0gb_us] Hmm. I think most of my dominoes are in place, I just have to wait for people to tip them over. Now I just need to draw textures. Does anyone here know of any good texture art tutorials? I'm kind of bad at drawing.
21:40 dafull97 well, i made a new user account from ssh, named minetest to run my mine test server
21:40 dafull97 [0gb_us] ^^
21:41 dafull97 now root always tells me it is the wring password
21:41 dafull97 and wont connect
21:41 [0gb_us] Did you give the minetest account a password?
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21:42 [0gb_us] Wait, do you mean it says the root password is wrong or the minetest account password is wrong?
21:43 dafull97 root pass is wromg
21:43 [0gb_us] Did you set root's password?
21:43 dafull97 and yes root and minetest user acc. is the same
21:43 dafull97 pass
21:43 [0gb_us] How can minetest and root be the same user? That makes no sense.
21:44 dafull97 i meant they are same pass
21:44 [0gb_us] Did you explicitly set root's password, or were you using sudo?
21:44 dafull97 it is a vps, the root pass was set when i formated it to ubuntu
21:45 dafull97 when it prompted for one
21:45 dafull97 i was in root when i made minetest acc.
21:45 [0gb_us] Ubuntu doesn't prompt for a root password. They have a policy against setting the root password for security reasons.
21:46 FreeFull It's all sudo
21:46 [0gb_us] Hmm ... You were logged in as root before? I don't know then ...
21:46 dafull97 i was in the root ssh
21:46 dafull97 root@x.x.x.x
21:47 [0gb_us] Okay, do you have an administrator account? An account with sudo access that you can use to fix root's password?
21:47 dafull97 i don't
21:47 dafull97 i should have set minetest as root?
21:47 [0gb_us] No.
21:47 [0gb_us] Minetest should not run as root.
21:47 dafull97 i mean admin
21:48 [0gb_us] Minetest should not run as an administrator.
21:48 dafull97 k making sure i did it right
21:48 [0gb_us] I have no idea why the password would change on you like that ... I assume you tried entering the password several times.
21:49 dafull97 idk, i might be able to contact vps support
21:50 [0gb_us] I'm not sure how to recover a password. You may have to reinstall the system. But if setting up a seccond account kills the first account's password, it'll probably happen again in the new copy.
21:50 [0gb_us] Yeah, see if support can reset your password.
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21:57 dafull97 i found a way in, with a virtual console
21:59 dafull97 [0gb_us]
22:01 [0gb_us] Okay, good. Do you know how to set your password from there?
22:03 dafull97 i tried passwd, but not work
22:04 [0gb_us] What error did you get?
22:05 dafull97 no it said it set when i try connect regular with root put it in and it says permission denied
22:06 [0gb_us] So you still aren't in as root then with the virtual console.
22:06 dafull97 yes im root in virtual console
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22:07 [0gb_us] So ... permission is denied for root?
22:07 dafull97 says root@x.x....
22:07 dafull97 no im in as root in virtual console
22:08 dafull97 when i try connecting regular console it says permisson denied still
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22:08 [0gb_us] Your system is wonky if it's denying permission while you are root. It sounds like when I was getting permission errors as root in Fedora ...
22:08 dafull97 i tried passwd in root in virtual console
22:08 dafull97 it changed fine
22:09 [0gb_us] Okay, good. So what's the issue then? I'm confused.
22:09 dafull97 when i try connecting in a regular ssh console it says permission denied when i put in password
22:11 [0gb_us] OH! I think I get it ... Is the address correct in the ssh terminal?
22:12 dafull97 yes
22:12 dafull97 when i try connecting in minetest@x.x.x.x
22:12 dafull97 and put pass in
22:13 dafull97 it works
22:13 [0gb_us] All I can think is that your VPS provider is blocking it for some reason.
22:13 dafull97 it was working right before minetest profile
22:14 [0gb_us] Yeah, I don't understand why that would be. I'd ask the support team about that. They have a better idea how their system works.
22:16 pitriss just my small, irrelevant comment.. he is trying to fix that half day.. reinstal of linux server will took less than hour.. :)
22:16 pitriss *take
22:16 dafull97 yea i will zip .minetest and download on my computer
22:17 dafull97 reinstall
22:17 dafull97 and try again
22:17 [0gb_us] Yeah, I agree that will be a quick fix, but if we don't first find the problem, won't it happen on the new install too?
22:17 pitriss btw vanessa adviced you that just when you messed up your system
22:17 dafull97 and pitriss
22:17 dafull97 i have been total for maybe an hour
22:18 pitriss [0gb_us]: i dont think so. he apparently doesn't have any idea what is he doing..
22:18 dafull97 i know more than you
22:18 dafull97 thanks
22:18 pitriss [0gb_us]: it looks like admin failure
22:18 [0gb_us] Could be. I can't tell what's going on from here.
22:19 pitriss dafull97: lol I was admin of more than 100 linux production servers, kid:)
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22:19 dafull97 i just dont know about how minetest works
22:19 dafull97 suree, proof?
22:21 pitriss dafull97: I don't need to prove you anything.. You never told here what exactly you did.. You was just begging for help.. Enough for me to not start to help you.. with vague questions, only vague answers are possible:)
22:22 bryn243 So then why say you know more?
22:23 pitriss bryn: because he told me opposite:)
22:24 pitriss bryn243: I bet he did something non standard to that ubuntu install and as most ppl know ubunto doesn't like nonstandard ways..
22:24 dafull97 i told you opposite of what?
22:25 bryn243 I don't think it's that hard to figure out what the opposite is.
22:26 dafull97 ya, kinda... he obviously dont know what he saying... told 0gb the same i told him... he had nothing... only stupid anwsers
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22:27 pitriss dafull97: you told me that you know more about linux than me. I'm sure you are not right. Because if you know linux atleast on basic knowledge, then you should be able reverting your changes:)
22:27 [0gb_us] Well that doesn't make me feel like trying to help again in the future ...
22:28 dafull97 0gb, i meant he only had stupid awnsers
22:28 pitriss dafull97: and when you will have atleast basic knowledge, then you will never run server with root privs:]
22:28 dafull97 you are one of the many i look up to here... i use your mods and more in my server
22:28 dafull97 pitriss was for testing purposes
22:29 Menche why run the server as root at all? even for testing?
22:29 dafull97 [0gb_us] look at my replies to you ^^
22:29 pitriss dafull97: even on testing purposes it is not acceptable.. it is just forbidden practice everytime
22:29 Menche just make the new user *first* then do the testing as that user
22:29 [0gb_us] I saw, but I'm kind of with them on this. Running as root isn't really safe.
22:29 pitriss dafull97: it is shorter way to get your vps hacked
22:30 pitriss *shortest
22:30 dafull97 i knew that, i was for testing
22:31 pitriss dafull97: I repeat: It is not acceptable at all..
22:31 dafull97 when i moved files from root to minetest it didnt work anymore...
22:31 pitriss dafull97: everyone who have atleast basic knowledge of linux just know that and do not do such things at al..:)
22:32 [0gb_us] THere's a huge hole ... in the middle of my map. What the heck?
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22:33 prestotron55 [deleted]
22:33 prestotron55 [deleted]
22:36 [0gb_us] Hello!
22:36 prestotron55 [deleted]
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22:44 [0gb_us] Another social network, eh?
22:44 prestotron55 [deleted]
22:46 [0gb_us] Does it have Twitter's character limit or Facebooks demand that you give them your real name and a cell phone number?
22:46 prestotron55 [deleted]
22:48 dafull97 wow thats crazy
22:48 dafull97 my root just all of a sudden worked
22:48 prestotron55 [deleted]
22:48 [0gb_us] Okay, I'll try it out then. I don't mind people having my real name (all you have to do is whois my user name to get it anyway), but I don't like that to be the name that shows up, as I prefer my user name. And I don't have a cell phone, nor do I want to give out a cell number if I did have one. And I speak in full sentences, so 140 characters (or whatever Twitter's limit is) is quite bothersome for me.
22:48 dafull97 i was about to reinstall
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22:49 [0gb_us] Great to hear, dafull97!
22:49 prestotron55 [deleted]
22:49 dafull97 i was about reinstall, and i was like "i will try one more time" abd it workd -_-
22:49 [0gb_us] Even to my freinds, I go by 0gb.us.
22:49 prestotron55 [deleted]
22:50 [0gb_us] As long as there's no requirement that I don't enter my user name as my real name, there's no problem. But doing that is against Facebook's terms of service.
22:50 prestotron55 [deleted]
22:54 [0gb_us] prestotron55, found another thing. You can hide your age, but not your birth day. Could you add a way to hide the birthday but show the age?
22:54 dafull97 omg!?!?!
22:54 [0gb_us] Hmm?
22:54 prestotron55 [deleted]
22:55 dafull97 i was about to start server and it says no worlds available
22:55 [0gb_us] Thanks!
22:55 prestotron55 [deleted]
22:55 [0gb_us] No worlds? Odd. Doesn't it usually create a new world if there are none?
22:55 prestotron55 [deleted]
22:55 prestotron55 [deleted]
22:55 [0gb_us] Oh, no rush, no rush.
22:56 dafull97 nevermind...
22:56 prestotron55 [deleted]
22:56 dafull97 when i changed owner it can no longer run under root
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22:56 dafull97 i have to run it under minetest
22:56 prestotron55 [deleted]
22:57 [0gb_us] I used to build my own forum software, I know about wanting to build things with your own hands.
22:58 prestotron55 [deleted]
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23:00 PilzAdam prestotron55, stop advertising this site
23:01 prestotron55 [deleted]
23:01 prestotron55 [deleted]
23:02 * [0gb_us] busts up laughing
23:02 prestotron55 [deleted]
23:02 dafull97 My server has been Finalized thanks to all you guys help!!
23:03 [0gb_us] Great to hear!
23:05 prestotron55 [deleted]
23:05 dafull97 thanks agai...
23:05 dafull97 again*
23:06 prestotron55 [deleted]
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23:06 dafull97 if any would like to join me, ip of server is 5.231.69.196
23:06 dafull97 port 30000
23:06 PilzAdam !up 5.231.69.196
23:06 MinetestBot 5.231.69.196:30000 is up (394ms)
23:06 dafull97 394ms????
23:07 prestotron55 [deleted]
23:07 [0gb_us] See you later.
23:07 dafull97 dang!
23:07 dafull97 !up 5.231.69.196:30000
23:07 PilzAdam dafull97, thats the ping from germany
23:07 MinetestBot dafull97: Note: Syntax changed please use 'example.org 1337' instead of 'example.org:1337'
23:07 PilzAdam AFAIK
23:07 dafull97 !up 5.231.69.196 30000
23:07 MinetestBot 5.231.69.196:30000 is up (152ms)
23:07 dafull97 yes
23:07 dafull97 it was a ping jump see
23:07 dafull97 !up 5.231.69.196 30000
23:07 MinetestBot 5.231.69.196:30000 is up (117ms)
23:08 PilzAdam eh, dont spam the bot
23:08 dafull97 k, sorry
23:08 PilzAdam everyone should know that the ping displayed at the bot or the public server list is meaningless
23:12 Menche !up menche.us
23:12 MinetestBot menche.us:30000 is up (381ms)
23:13 Menche !up menche.servegame.com
23:13 MinetestBot menche.servegame.com:30000 is up (482ms)
23:13 PilzAdam Menche, /query MinetestBot
23:13 Menche ?
23:14 PilzAdam you can use these commands in PM too, you dont need to run them in this channel
23:14 Menche ok sorry
23:15 Menche what's the difference between /query and /msg ? they both seem to work.
23:15 PilzAdam /query just opens a new window or tab in your client
23:16 [0gb_us] I was looking for the /query command earlier, but I forgot which it was.
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23:41 kaeza anyone has a link to mauve's aerophonics mod?
23:42 [0gb_us] It looks like he took it down: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=2323
23:44 kaeza yep :(
23:44 kaeza that's why I'm asking here
23:47 [0gb_us] I mean that I don't think any remaining link will be valid. Someone will have to reupload it. Otherwise, it has been lost.
23:49 Evergreen Heh, something I just noticed was that minecraft is officially supporting shaders now, one of them being bump mapping.    Now we have something else we can say we did first
23:50 [0gb_us] His server's first rule makes no sense ("* Chose a normal username with no more than two digits."). Why no more than two digits in your user name? WHat good does that rule possibly do? It excludes people such as jojoa1997.
23:50 Evergreen One thing I think you shouldn't do is just delete the mod topic, at least ask for it to be moved to old mods
23:51 [0gb_us] I can't seem to find any of his topics that still have valid links.
23:51 [0gb_us] He did this to erase himself.
23:52 kaeza [0gb_us], I think it's done to deter people like joe1234 and such
23:52 kaeza I mean, random numbers just for the sake of it
23:52 [0gb_us] kaeza, there's no reason why joe1234 shouldn't be used. There's nothing wrong with using numbers.
23:53 ShadowNinja Greifers tend to chose names with lots of numbers, and I find them anoying. If they are random that is.
23:53 [0gb_us] That's my whole point.
23:53 kaeza people with names *
23:53 [0gb_us] I see, ShadowNinja.
23:53 PilzAdam [0gb_us], joe123214, joe132424, joe3243284, joe123823...
23:53 [0gb_us] Well, that will just get vandals to use random letters instead of random numbers.
23:54 PilzAdam it makes it harder to remember people
23:54 kaeza best one yet: iIlIl1Il1
23:54 [0gb_us] kaeza, http://xkcd.com/1105/
23:55 kaeza [0gb_us], hah!
23:55 ShadowNinja Tab completion, or in IRC Ctrl-C Ctrl-V helps with names like that.
23:55 kaeza that guy may have got the idea from there :P
23:55 * harrison deploys Inky Tendrils
23:56 [0gb_us] kaeza, oh, that wasn't a name you made up just now?
23:56 kaeza nope
23:56 kaeza someone actually connected with some name like that :P
23:57 harrison eep
23:57 Evergreen I'm glad that topywo has been around downloading mods before omploader was broken
23:57 kaeza seeing as that would be a 99% chance of being either a troll or a griefer, was a ban in this case

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