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00:00 iqualfragile_ and if you do not have high buildings
00:00 PilzAdam I suggest you to not mess arround with map_meta
00:00 Peacock thats why i was trying on a test map first heh
00:00 Peacock i already know changing the seed makes the chunks not line up
00:00 iqualfragile_ then you could just recreate your map using the same seed with floatlands
00:01 PilzAdam you have to switch to indev mapgen to get the floatlands, but I dunno if you can disable the farlands
00:01 PilzAdam ask proller
00:01 iqualfragile_ copy everything above some height and paste it into your old map
00:01 iqualfragile_ have backups ready!
00:01 PilzAdam if you have v6 currently, and switch to indev without disabling farlands then it will screw up the map
00:02 proller not very big screw
00:02 Peacock might be safer all around to add floatloands mod and have it use vmanip
00:02 proller just some flat edges
00:02 PilzAdam proller, that is like the worst thing that can happen when editing map_meta
00:03 proller and you can disable farlands by setting last two params to 1, 1
00:03 iqualfragile_ uhm… short guide on how to enable floatlands?
00:03 PilzAdam iqualfragile_, mg_name = indev
00:03 PilzAdam done
00:03 proller was: mgindev_np_terrain_base   = -4,   20,  (250, 250, 250), 82341, 5, 0.6,  10,  10
00:03 iqualfragile_ oh, ok
00:03 proller now: mgindev_np_terrain_base   = -4,   20,  (250, 250, 250), 82341, 5, 0.6,  1,   1
00:03 iqualfragile_ i thought you might need to add some more stuffs
00:04 PilzAdam Peacock, you can try what proller said
00:04 proller and for other mapgen noise params too
00:04 proller but better do it after map backup
00:04 PilzAdam Peacock, i.e. create a new world with mg_name = indev, copy the map_meta to your old world, change the seed to the old one, modify the noise as proller said
00:05 Peacock i wonder if having water up to y=100 complicates things
00:05 PilzAdam how do you set the water that high?
00:05 iqualfragile_ estimated height of the lowest commonly occuring floatlands?
00:05 Peacock using the oregen
00:06 PilzAdam iqualfragile_, changeable in minetest.conf, 500 by default
00:06 PilzAdam Peacock, I guess no problems then
00:06 proller at 500 they rare
00:07 proller but you can adjust it by noise params too
00:07 iqualfragile_ i am at 600 right now, should i go higher?
00:07 PilzAdam iqualfragile_, higher -> more frequent
00:07 proller and bigger
00:07 iqualfragile_ i hope that too high -> less frequent?
00:07 PilzAdam no, they are pretty common at 30000
00:08 iqualfragile_ ugh
00:08 iqualfragile_ so the minetest world is more like a cave
00:08 PilzAdam go to proller's sky server
00:08 iqualfragile_ oh, hey found one
00:08 PilzAdam (or teleport to 30000)
00:08 iqualfragile_ hello sweety
00:08 Peacock i wonder what an all-floland map would look like (no hard ground level)
00:08 iqualfragile_ at 300
00:09 iqualfragile_ well, it would basicly be some rocks floating in the air
00:09 proller on sky near spawn they rare too
00:09 proller but using secret portal...
00:10 iqualfragile_ hmm… this one looks a bit cut off
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00:12 iqualfragile_ http://mg.viewskew.com/u/iq​ualfragile/m/floatlandscut/
00:12 Peacock i guess paragen is newer/faster than moonrealm
00:12 PilzAdam yea, that is a bug that needs to be fixed (by proller)
00:13 Pilcrow figured out my luajit problem. the version 2.0.0b9 I was using was too old. after building the latest luajit 2.0.2 from source and recompiling minetest, nore's v7 mapgen mod works fine~  :)
00:13 PilzAdam "nore's v7 mapgen" huh=
00:13 PilzAdam *?
00:13 Peacock v7? i thought it was lua mapgen
00:14 Peacock (could almost use categories or tags to sort mods lol)
00:15 Pilcrow pilz, nore made a lua mapgen mod for v7. that's what I was talking about. sorry if it was unclear.
00:16 Peacock well if its a lua mapgen it doesn't matter which version of the default/buitin mapgen is used?
00:16 * Peacock needs a flowchart
00:16 Peacock lol
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00:17 PilzAdam Pilcrow, can you point me to that mod?
00:17 Pilcrow I don't know. I thought I was told it only works with v7. could be wrong though.
00:17 Pilcrow just a sec
00:17 PilzAdam https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7263 this one is Lua only
00:17 PilzAdam has nothing to do with mgv7
00:18 Peacock mountains kinda look like cones or stretched spheres
00:19 Pilcrow ok. thanks for clarifying. guess I was under the wrong impression.
00:19 Pilcrow that's the one
00:21 Pilcrow anyways, I couldn't use it as my minetest build was confused by the goto commands. someone told me to use luajit, but I already was, so I figured my luajit version was outdated.
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00:22 PilzAdam goto is not in Lua 5.1
00:22 PilzAdam and Minetest uses Lua 5.1, so its incorrect to use it in Minetest mods
00:22 Peacock goto's do cause problems across versions
00:23 PilzAdam LuaJIT just took the goto from Lua 5.2
00:23 Peacock and bitwise operators, which you wont find in 5.1 either
00:25 Pilcrow that makes sense. still, they were used in that mg mod, so I had trouble getting it to work.
00:25 PilzAdam start a shitstorm at the mod thread that the mod doesnt work with Minetest then ;-)
00:26 Peacock it would probably make sense to either make jit the default or update the lua part, or at least have mods come with some sort of warning about which version they need to run on
00:26 PilzAdam Peacock, no, its defined to use 5.1
00:26 PilzAdam LuaJIT is fully compatible with 5.1
00:27 Peacock yeah but its got some parts of 5.2, so if someone writes a mod using those functions, and the user only has vanilla 5.1, thinks get, confusing lol
00:27 Peacock *things not thinks
00:27 Peacock lol
00:27 PilzAdam the mod author is wrong
00:28 Peacock i dont get why people can't use functions instead of gotos lol
00:28 PilzAdam because basic
00:28 [0gb_us] Functions can even be set aside in other files for clarity.
00:31 Peacock im old enough to remember learning with gotos lol prolly why it feels mesozoic to me lol
00:31 Pilcrow I was a qbasic kid  ;)
00:31 * PilzAdam feels surrounded by old men
00:32 Pilcrow nope, just poor. I'm 26 now.  :P
00:33 Peacock ill be pushing 30 soon lol
00:34 PilzAdam see? old men all arround
00:34 Pilcrow my family's first computer was an old win95 machine that I often booted into DOS from a floppy to play gorrilla and nibbles. eventually I got curious. then I taught myself to program, by experimentation.
00:34 Peacock its kinda funny that there seems to be as many old people playing this game than kids lol
00:34 Peacock win 95? lucky
00:35 Peacock ours was this: http://www.laptopjoy.com/wp-content/u​ploads/2010/03/history-of-laptops.jpg
00:35 Peacock and running win 3.11 on it was like running ios7 on an old iphone today lol
00:36 Pilcrow that was when I was in like 8th grade though. before that we borrowed a 486 with 3.11 on it from my cousin. it was his "old" machine.  :P
00:37 Pilcrow lol, peacock, what IS that?  :P
00:37 Peacock a museum piece
00:37 Peacock lol
00:38 Peacock shoulda held onto it, coulda gotten our money back from a museum surely lol
00:38 Pilcrow lol
00:38 Peacock i dont know what 3-4K in 1980's dollars would be today
00:39 Pilcrow I still have a commodore VIC-20 I found at a garage sale for $10. not worth much, but a noteworthy little machine~  :P
00:40 Peacock http://www.dosgames.com/keen1.gif
00:42 Pilcrow lol, commander keen~
00:45 Pilcrow so PilzAdam, what's your 'nerd beginnings' story?  :P
00:46 PilzAdam http://youtu.be/SPQUn52PIfc
00:46 PilzAdam at school
00:46 PilzAdam its a hamster that runs Java
00:47 PilzAdam you can solve mazes and stuff
00:47 PilzAdam though, my teachers were unable to teach programming correctly, so I learned most of it in the internet
00:48 PilzAdam thats 4-5 years ago
00:50 Pilcrow pretty interesting. yeah, I totally understand learning most of it on the internet. the only *conventional* computer programming course I ever took, I failed horribly...  xD
00:51 Peacock http://www.mobygames.com/images/shots/l/12321-a​void-the-noid-dos-screenshot-the-noid-ega-s.gif
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00:54 Pilcrow heh, gotta love those old EGA colors... someone should do a minetest EGA texture pack...  @_@
01:22 zat1 Someone knows how different Minecraft is from Minetest? (never player Minecraft)
01:23 PilzAdam 42 different
01:23 PilzAdam I guess you need to be more specific
01:24 zat1 Items, resources, methods to get stuff (crafting, cooking), monsters, etc...
01:25 PilzAdam what Minecraft version?
01:35 PilzAdam bye
01:35 Pelayo i'd say minetest is similar to minecraft alpha
01:48 zat1 What would Minetest “lack” then?
01:59 kahrl a DRM launcher
01:59 VanessaE imho minetest really doesn't lack much, as an engine
02:00 VanessaE as a game, e.g. minetest_game, well, what it lacks depends on what you want to do.
02:00 Peacock bugfixes perhaps lol
02:00 Peacock (lagspikes on join, allocating player ids, people being transported to nirvana, etc.)
02:01 Peacock small nodeboxes flicker, the sky/horizon flickers u/g
02:01 VanessaE u/g
02:01 VanessaE ?
02:01 Peacock under ground
02:01 VanessaE oh
02:01 Peacock though over ground its parts of the map that flicker
02:02 Peacock and since 0.4.7 i get a hundred server anounce timeout warnings per day :P
02:04 Peacock texture_alpha, as well
02:04 Peacock i cant remember them all :P and everyone has their own list of issues
02:05 VanessaE have you filed github issues for any of these?
02:06 Peacock there are either issues, threads or it's been discussed openly
02:07 VanessaE well the devs would say they need to be on github
02:07 VanessaE (though as we've seen, that's not always 100% necessary)
02:08 Peacock well :P it either gets filed as obscure or you get a "works form (tm)"
02:08 Peacock *works for me(tm)
02:08 Peacock which is why i dont press the issues regularly :P
02:09 VanessaE well everyone here knows I don't give up on stuff very easily, and in particular that I don't hold my opinions at bay when something just doesn't fucking work right ;)
02:10 VanessaE (and then I come up with backtraces, test cases, etc. and everyone goes from "well, it works for me" to "wtf?  well, it's too hard to fix right now"  :P
02:10 Peacock 3/10 of the issues marked obscure are yours :P
02:10 VanessaE exactly :)
02:11 Peacock this one ain't young either: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5301
02:12 Peacock and even though you say bugs should be filed on github, there's a stickied topic by PA explaining how to post bug reports on the forums :P
02:13 VanessaE I think that's for mod bugs
02:13 VanessaE not engine bugs
02:13 Peacock well if i couldn't guess that, i doubt anyone else is either :P
02:14 Peacock anyways, i dont expect all the bugs to be fixed overnight, but i wouldn't exactly call MT perfect/complete either :P
02:15 VanessaE https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues?lab​els=&milestone=1&page=1&state=open
02:15 VanessaE in theory, most of those ^^^^ will be fixed before 0.4.8
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02:15 VanessaE (allowing for the previously-discussed-in-dev problem of way too many new ones suddenly being added without reason recently)
02:16 Peacock thats kinda what i dont get, "rework formspecs" the formspecs aren't broken buggy, you'd think there'd be more urgent stuff :P
02:17 Peacock *broken or ...
02:17 kahrl it's a bad title
02:17 kahrl should be called "allow changing colors of textlists" or something like that
02:17 Peacock that or a description he
02:17 Peacock *heh
02:18 kahrl er s/textlists/inventory lists/
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02:18 Peacock not sure what wingsuit does lol
02:18 dafull97 hey is anyone here good with minetest troubleshooting?
02:19 VanessaE depends, what's wrong?
02:20 Peacock is your computer plugged in?
02:20 VanessaE Peacock: Super Mario Bros.  when you jump, you can turn sideways in the air and direct your landing.
02:20 Peacock (just kidding :P)
02:20 VanessaE I think the wingsuit is the same idea.
02:20 VanessaE just over a longer fall distance
02:20 Peacock ahh okay, to me wingsuit sounds like a batman suit or something like that lol
02:21 VanessaE to me, a wingsuit is as seen in Transformers 3.  Doubt minetest will go to quite the extent shown there.
02:21 Peacock ugh, transformers, those movies are getting progressively worse lol
02:22 Peacock i like the 85/86 version, wish they had done that in live action
02:22 dafull97 VanessE if i try to connect to a server other than my own(still remote, it is a VPS) it crashes upon connecting
02:22 Peacock Ooo liquid range will be fixed (no more air pockets in my ocean world)
02:23 VanessaE dafull97: have you checked your debug.txt to see the cause of the crash?
02:23 dafull97 actually, no :D forgot about that, still new to minetest
02:24 VanessaE delete it, reproduce the crash, and pastebin the last 50 or so lines.
02:24 VanessaE give us the link to the paste.
02:24 Peacock tho youre right v, there do seem to be alot of milestone thingies lol
02:25 Peacock the paste: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikip​edia/commons/9/9d/Toothpaste.jpg
02:25 VanessaE eh....
02:25 Peacock :P
02:28 dafull97 VanessaE: Thanks, im working on it now...
02:29 dafull97 how long does it take to connect? (LandRush Server)
02:29 VanessaE depends on the server, but usually only several seconds if your cache is still full
02:30 VanessaE (an empty cache can take several minutes to fill)
02:30 VanessaE I'd think landrush would be pretty quick
02:31 dafull97 well, i connected last night... took about 5 mins, and then now when i load it crashes... working on the debug file
02:31 dafull97 maybe error in cache?
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02:32 VanessaE hard to say
02:33 dafull97 ok, well working on debugs... still loading :(
02:35 dafull97 VannessaE you live in NC??? :D
02:35 dafull97 i always wanted to live their
02:36 Peacock she lives theyre yes
02:36 Peacock :P
02:36 * [0gb_us] thinks of content_nc in Minetest's code, and wonders if VanessaE lives at a poptart cat
02:36 dafull97 im jking, i live their too
02:36 dafull97 haha
02:36 VanessaE heh
02:37 VanessaE no, but the imagery used for poptart cats in HDX does come from a cat I used to have :)
02:37 dafull97 Peacock, you live in Germeny?
02:37 VanessaE is that close enough? ;)
02:37 Peacock naw, Khanada
02:37 VanessaE dafull97: yes.  Waynesville, NC to be exact.
02:37 Peacock Wayne's world, party time, excellent!
02:37 VanessaE there*
02:37 dafull97 nope, haha close
02:37 [0gb_us] Heay, that's probably as close as it could get.
02:37 [0gb_us] *Yeah
02:38 dafull97 i live in sanford, nc
02:38 dafull97 hahaha
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02:38 Peacock sanford, why does that ring a bell?
02:38 dafull97 idk? haha
02:39 Peacock in the news lately?
02:39 dafull97 um, maybe?
02:39 dafull97 ha
02:40 dafull97 vannessaE: http://pastebin.com/k1ieFaig
02:40 VanessaE access violation!?
02:40 dafull97 um, yea?
02:40 dafull97 whats it mean?
02:40 Peacock aaah http://yro.slashdot.org/story/13/09/2​0/2151231/usaf-almost-nuked-north-car​olina-in-1961-declassified-document
02:40 VanessaE usually that means something like the program is written for a different architecture than what you're using
02:41 VanessaE or maybe you don't have enough RAM?
02:41 dafull97 hmm, where is cache? i will reset... i was palying fine last night... and i can connect to my own VPS Minetest server
02:41 Peacock http://memepics.com/wp-content/u​ploads/2011/10/upgraded-ram.jpg
02:41 VanessaE dafull97:  in your minetest folder.
02:41 dafull97 hahaha @ Peacock
02:41 VanessaE minetest-blahblah/cache or /home/yourname/.minetest/cache
02:42 dafull97 im on windows, hah
02:42 Peacock in that case, try minetest-blabla/cache
02:42 VanessaE just find your minetest folder, cache is in there.
02:42 VanessaE also, try a different build.
02:42 Peacock if only cash was in there :(
02:43 dafull97 why differnat build?
02:43 VanessaE sfan5, PilzAdam, BlockMen, Fess, maybe thexyz still has them, etc.
02:43 VanessaE different*
02:43 VanessaE because sometimes it's just a matter of what's compiled into yours, versus what your hardware is actually capable of
02:44 dafull97 ohh, k
02:44 dafull97 i heard of PhilzAdam i think
02:44 VanessaE how much RAM does your box have?
02:44 * [0gb_us] hates his new music player
02:44 VanessaE PilzAdam*
02:44 dafull97 2.00GB
02:45 Peacock hehe, FizzAdam
02:45 VanessaE I'd think 2 GB would be enough.  Using any special texture packs?
02:45 dafull97 nope, defaults... like i said i can connect to my own... may be cache... reconnecting now
02:45 VanessaE hm
02:46 Peacock must be some server/client compat. thing
02:47 dafull97 i deleted all cache and retrying... hope it is that simple :D
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02:51 VanessaE hopefully that works
02:52 VanessaE but it begs the question, why does it error-out like that to begin with
02:53 STHGOM How soon is minetest 0.4.8 going to be released?
02:53 dafull97 yea, true... i have no idea that is why i came here to help... it gave me a C++ Runtime error before it quit this time
02:53 VanessaE Soon™
02:53 VanessaE just C++ runtime error?
02:53 dafull97 but it is still loading... im talking about the recent debug log i gave you
02:54 Peacock Rapture™
02:54 dafull97 with that one it gave me that
02:54 VanessaE oh ok
02:54 Peacock (jk)
02:54 STHGOM It was going to be released soon a month ago...
02:55 Peacock so were much closer to Soon™ now than we were a month ago :P
02:55 [0gb_us] Soon is relative. Soon™ could be any time in the next decade.
02:55 STHGOM ok :D
02:55 Peacock Soon™ * pi / sqrt(lightspeed)
02:55 [0gb_us] Or it might not even be this decade. I don't even know.
02:56 STHGOM Bye
02:56 VanessaE STHGOM: help fix these and maybe... https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues?lab​els=&milestone=1&page=1&state=open
02:56 [0gb_us] Bye.
02:56 VanessaE that would help speed up the release.
02:57 VanessaE damn it.
02:57 Peacock he saw all the milestones and ran away :P haha
02:57 VanessaE lol
02:58 dafull97 C++ Runtime error
02:58 dafull97 pure virtual function call
02:58 dafull97 R6025
02:58 Peacock dunno what version of windows you gots, have you tried different compatibility mode settings?
02:59 dafull97 i have windows 8, running windows XP Service pack 3
02:59 VanessaE um
02:59 Peacock so which is it? lol
02:59 VanessaE you can't be running 'windows xp service pack 3" if you're running windows 8
02:59 Peacock lol
02:59 VanessaE unless you're doing this in a virtual machine
03:00 VanessaE (not a VPS, a virtual machine)
03:00 Peacock im running Linux Mac OS X ;)
03:00 dafull97 running Windows XP Service pack 3 in compatibility
03:00 [0gb_us] With VirtualBox, you can. Not that I'd recommend running either of those systems.
03:00 dafull97 no i have my server on a VPS,
03:00 dafull97 i have Windows 8 on my computer
03:00 Peacock with SP3 on top?
03:01 dafull97 and running this with compatibility in windows xp service pack 3
03:01 Peacock hmm
03:01 VanessaE when you connect to someone else's server, all that matters is what you run on your home PC where the client is running
03:01 Peacock allright, vanessa, you get the straight-jacket, ill get the chloroform
03:02 Peacock what happens with the other compat settings?
03:03 dafull97 im will try re-install, and i know that my vps has nothing to do with this... i was just clearing things up...
03:03 dafull97 @peacock it was working fine last night and this afternoon. just not wanting to work now... going to look at them
03:04 Peacock well what did you do since then?
03:04 Peacock system updates, update MT, ?
03:04 [0gb_us] GitHub is scaring me. "Are you sure you don't want to just downgrade your account to a FREE account? We won't charge your credit card anymore." I thought I was already using a free account.
03:04 Peacock lol
03:04 VanessaE [0gb_us]: weird
03:04 Peacock with how many times GH gets DDOS'd and hacked, i wouldn't trust them with a CC
03:05 [0gb_us] GitHub better not be charging me. If I find GitHub charges, I WILL dispute them.
03:05 Peacock did you give them a CC #?
03:05 [0gb_us] I didn't give them a credit card number, no.
03:05 dafull97 it was running in windows 7 compat, hmm...
03:05 dafull97 maye that the prob... but i dont think it is
03:05 dafull97 maybe*
03:06 Peacock well not sure about US law but im pretty sure they can't start charging you shit unless you consent to it first
03:06 VanessaE that is correct
03:06 VanessaE it would be considered 'credit card fraud' here if they did.
03:07 Peacock otherwise can you imagine the scams lol
03:07 VanessaE plus if he doesn't give a CC number it makes it 10x worse :)
03:07 Peacock well good luck collecting in that case lol
03:08 Peacock i dont even trust legitimate companies with "prepayment" options, i send checks, by horse and buggy
03:08 Peacock (ok the last bit is horseshit, but i do send cheques)
03:09 Peacock at least with cheques you got a papertrail and bank records
03:10 [0gb_us] I don't like checks myself. I prefer cash or cards.
03:11 [0gb_us] Cash is my favorite, but I've been using cards more lately to try to improve my credit score.
03:11 Peacock cash for small items ok
03:11 Peacock CC's is mortgaging paycheques
03:12 Peacock with variable limits and rates on interest, thx but no thx lol
03:12 [0gb_us] I use my credit cards similarly to debit cards: I only spend what I already have.
03:12 [0gb_us] That way, there are no fees.
03:13 Peacock thats why i stick to cash and cheques lol can't spend what i dont have, and it forces me to save instead of relying on credit for emergencies
03:13 [0gb_us] The limit issue is an issue though.
03:13 dafull97 question to all, to test your knowlege of computers... ready?
03:14 [0gb_us] You can write a bad check as easily as make a payment with a card that you can't cover. Checks don't help you in that regard.
03:14 Peacock well i dont write bad cheques :P
03:14 [0gb_us] And I don't make payments with the card that I can't pay right away.
03:15 Peacock card on the other hand, you miss a payment, your rate goes up
03:15 [0gb_us] My payments are set to auto-withdraw.
03:15 [0gb_us] No missed payments ever.
03:15 [0gb_us] dafull97, what's your question?
03:15 Peacock yeah i dont go for that automatic bullshit either, a few months ago my ISP started helping themselves to double and triple the amounts
03:16 Peacock (hence my need of papertrails now lol)
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03:16 dafull97 What is the differance between C, and C++
03:16 Peacock the ++
03:16 [0gb_us] Don't the automatic payments leave a paper trail?
03:17 [0gb_us] C++ is messier.
03:17 dafull97 sort of.. and peacock, hahaha
03:17 Peacock they leave an electronic trail, but once the company has taken way too much, good luck getting it back
03:17 dafull97 make me laugh(in a good way)
03:18 dafull97 what does C++ have that C doesn't?
03:18 [0gb_us] Stealling three times the actual fee is illegal though. You can take them to court for fraud, as VanessaE said.
03:19 [0gb_us] More options for object orientation, overloading, et cetera?
03:19 Peacock you still have to hire representation, how will you do that if your utility just took you the cleaners?
03:19 dafull97 nice 0gb_us you know programming?
03:19 Peacock and even then the CDN system takes at min. months, if not years
03:19 [0gb_us] I don't know C or C++, but I do program a little.
03:20 [0gb_us] Not in those languages.
03:20 dafull97 i know just a tiny C++
03:20 dafull97 what languges?
03:20 [0gb_us] You can dispute the charges with the card company.
03:21 Peacock i wish i had the energy for all these remedies, but its much simpler to write a cheque for the proper amount :P
03:21 [0gb_us] I forget all what languages. I always leave some out. PHP, JavaScript, sh, Lua, Python, Java, and maybe some others.
03:21 Peacock i tend to *lose my cool* speaking to reps over the phone lol
03:22 [0gb_us] Keeping track of the checks is something I don't have the time or energy for. I guess to each their own.
03:22 [0gb_us] For me, a single check is a pain in the bett.
03:22 Peacock never heard of carbon copies? :P
03:22 [0gb_us] *butt
03:23 [0gb_us] Carbon copies don't make it better. The issue is that they could be deposited any time in the future. There is no time when I can "reset" back to the bank's number, so to speak.
03:23 Peacock though youre right about one thing, i had to accuse them of billing fraud before they backed off on 400$ of charges lol
03:23 dafull97 nice, i know batch, sh, python, little ruby, little perl, little php, html, some javascript, and maybe 1 or two im forgetting im tired haha
03:24 Peacock though the whole time they kept trying to get a CC number (so they could just take the money)
03:24 [0gb_us] With card charges, I see the charge right away, and paper money's value this way is obvious.
03:25 [0gb_us] HTML isn't a programming language. But if you want to count that, I also know XHTML, XML, and CSS.
03:26 dafull97 yea, alot of people dont... i just include it.. i know a little XML... barely used
03:26 [0gb_us] I tried Ruby, but it wasn't for me. Then again, neither is Java.
03:26 dafull97 same here... python is best for me
03:26 [0gb_us] A lot of people don't what?
03:26 [0gb_us] I can't say I LIKE Python, but it's easy to use.
03:27 dafull97 alot of people dont include html as a programming language
03:28 [0gb_us] HTML ISN'T a programming language. It's a markup language. There is a huge difference in how programming languages and markup languages function.
03:28 [0gb_us] Anyone calling HTML a programming language is, simply put, wrong.
03:29 dafull97 yes, true... like i said i just include it... :)
03:30 [0gb_us] I include it if asked about languages, but I don't include it if asked about programming languages. Or rather, I include/exclude XHTML. I never say I know HTML.
03:32 dafull97 yes... HTML is a markup language... one good thing about knowing how that kind of stuff works, is that these 8 year old "hackers" going blow computers up hahah
03:32 dafull97 makes me laugh hard
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03:34 [0gb_us] I wonder what CSS is though. I know it's not a programming language, but it doesn't seem much like a markup language; it contains no structure definitions.
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04:39 NekoGloop [0gb_us], scripting
04:40 [0gb_us] CSS doesn't seem like a scripting language either. Scripting is a subset of programming. Are you sure on that, or just guessing? If you're sure, I'll take your word for it.
04:41 thexyz stylesheet language
04:42 [0gb_us] So style sheets get their own category of languages? I suppose that makes sense, they don't seem to fit into any other category.
04:45 [0gb_us] Interesting ... content_mapnode.cpp refers to a "default:coalstone", but minetest_game contains no such node.
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05:21 NekoGloop It's Client Side Scripting. Of course it's a scripting language.
05:22 [0gb_us] CSS is Cascading Style Sheets. Or at least, the CSS I'm talking about is.
05:22 [0gb_us] I'm talking about the CSS used to style web pages.
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08:32 JamesTait Good morning all, happy Punctuation Day! :-D
08:33 [0gb_us] Awesome! I had no idea such a day existed, but I do understand the importance of punctuation, and I wish more people used it.
08:35 blaaaaargh if punctuation didnt exist we would write like this it looks silly and is totally uncomprehensible see what I mean
08:36 [0gb_us] It's not silly when people are too lazy to use punctuation, it's just aggravatingly hard to read.
08:37 blaaaaargh http://the100meterscroll.com/
08:38 [0gb_us] Hmm. kaeza is everywhere. You never know what user is actually kaeza in disguise.
08:39 kaeza :DDD
08:39 [0gb_us] Usually if there is a new random nick, it turns out to be you a few seconds later.
08:40 kaeza I have this only one, diemartin, and blaaaaargh.
08:40 [0gb_us] I'm thinking about changing my nick to "us`0gb".
08:40 [0gb_us] Maybe I'm thinking of someone else then ....
08:41 VanessaE zero_gb_dot_us  :-)
08:42 [0gb_us] What about when the actual zerogb.us shows up though? Or zero-gb-dot.us?
08:42 kaeza www.dotcom.com
08:42 VanessaE register them all? :)
08:42 kaeza lol that one exists :P
08:42 [0gb_us] THere's a www.dot.tk and I think there's a dot.free.
08:43 kaeza oh it's a registrar
08:43 [0gb_us] Register them all? Like I have the money ... I'm even thinking about dropping my other name (zerogigabytes.com) to save some cash.
08:43 kaeza I expected something in the veins of downloadmoreram.com
08:44 VanessaE I meant the IRC nicks, silly :)
08:44 [0gb_us] If only downloading RAM were an option ... But then hardware would take up disk space, and as the hard drive is hardware, it would be recursive.
08:45 kaeza lol downloadmorecores.com
08:49 [0gb_us] When I discuss the "real zerogb.us", I mean whoever registers zerogb.us in DNS. To use that name without owning it would make me an impostor. You kave no idea what it's like to have OCD ... I spent several hours trying to create a puny code-like system for encoding node names yesterday ... I was at work and had nothing else to think about while doing my mindless work, but still. The point is that the "zero_gb_dot_us" name can't make it past my OCD u
08:49 [0gb_us] nless I actually own that name in DNS. And it probably can't even make it if I did own it.
08:52 [0gb_us] The best part of using an FQDN as a user name is that it is by definition unique to me. There are a million people who use names based on hobbies and whatnot, but no one will use my domain name but me unless they are specifically impersonating me. Made up domains don't have that quality.
09:01 [0gb_us] That link doesn't even fake allowing you to download cores the way the RAM site does. It just sells AMD laptops.
09:03 [0gb_us] I already have an AMD laptop, and I'm not all that happy with it. I think I'll go for a Think Penguin, once I have money, or another second-hand laptop if I need a replacement before I have money.
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11:26 john_minetest Hello everypony!
11:34 john_minetest http://ftp.gnome.org/conspiracy/
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12:01 kaeza <!-- mwahahaha -->
12:01 JamesTai1 </evil_laugh>
12:01 * JamesTai1 sighs
12:02 JamesTait In other news: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archive​s/nouveau/2013-September/014480.html
12:03 kaeza that looks like good news
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12:05 JamesTait It could well be.
12:05 JamesTait Reason for hope, at least.
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13:20 arsdragonfly !seen iqualfragile
13:20 MinetestBot arsdragonfly: iqualfragile was last seen at 2013-09-23 00:29:44 UTC on #minetest
13:23 arsdragonfly MinetestBot: tell him when he's around that all the RandomMessages mod archives I uploaded are the same? I came across some errors so I thought it wasn't working and uploaded it several times :P
13:24 arsdragonfly Since you understands stfu you should have got what I said lol
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13:32 IceCraft hi
13:35 deltib hello
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13:49 rubenwardy Hi all
13:58 arsdragonfly Hi
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14:30 kaeza useless stuff: https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=111801#p111801
14:30 kaeza (read: I was bored)
14:31 kaeza feel free to disregard if another mod already provides such functionality
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15:34 PilzAdam Hello everyone!
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15:47 Jordach afternoon ladies
15:47 STHGOM Hullo kaeza
15:48 * Jordach throws a kitten at kaeza
15:48 kaeza hi STHGOM
15:48 kaeza sup Jordach
15:48 * kaeza is testing e17
15:48 kaeza notbad.jpg
15:48 Jordach e17? dafuq is that
15:48 kaeza enlightenment
15:48 kaeza a WM
15:50 kaeza well this sucks actually
15:51 thexyz lol
15:51 thexyz it's designed for fridges
15:52 kaeza seems so :/
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15:53 kaeza brb
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15:55 STHGOM WB :D
15:55 kaeza thx :)
15:55 kaeza back to Xfce
15:56 kaeza none of the WM/DEs I have fully convinces me
15:56 kaeza either too bloated or too light :/
15:56 kaeza and too lazy to set it up properly
15:59 andersje kaeza:  yeah.  fluxbox/openbox handles 75% of my needs.  win7 the other 25%.  :/
16:00 NakedFury try steamOS when it comes out
16:01 Pelayo I'm happy with Mate
16:03 kaeza this would be nice if it actually displayed the right chars in the console: http://sourceforge.net/projects/twin/
16:03 andersje I'm looking forward to SteamOS, but mythbuntu still doesn't always like my HD/HomeRun thingie
16:03 andersje so, the HTPC runs win7+media center to record shows
16:10 Jordach Media Center is good when used right
16:10 Jordach the PS3 / XBOX can stream from it
16:10 Jordach Linux (with the right software) can too
16:15 NakedFury whats been going on in the minetest world?
16:19 Jordach yay - made toy variants of my weapons
16:20 werwerwer_ Anybody! In technic mode, is it supposed to be that cromium is more rare than uranium? Or it's not so rare and I'm missing something?
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16:27 Jordach i see your ass is out of bed
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16:31 thexyz kaeza: what's your problem with xfce?
16:33 thexyz andersje: consider xbmc
16:35 kaeza thexyz, no problems really
16:35 kaeza I should have said "none of the other..."
16:36 kaeza just the usual window shopping :P
16:38 FreeFull kaeza: You'd hate the WM I am using right now
16:40 * Jordach pokes sfan5
16:40 Jordach they fixed #3
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17:05 Dafull97 who is here?
17:05 NakedFury I am
17:06 * john_minetest is, too
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17:08 thefamilygrog66 howdy folks
17:09 thefamilygrog66 spam: https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=111760#p111760
17:10 Calinou done
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17:13 Dafull97 Nakedfury you still here?
17:13 NakedFury yeah
17:13 NakedFury playing offensive combat and reading chat
17:13 Dafull97 cool, you own a server?
17:13 NakedFury no
17:13 Dafull97 oh, not een on Minetest?
17:13 Dafull97 even*
17:14 NakedFury I play on others some times but school has me very damn occupied since it started
17:14 Calinou hi NakedFury
17:14 Calinou long time no see :P
17:14 Dafull97 yea, me too... i get like 3 hors to myself a night haha
17:14 NakedFury we finished the first project yesterday and tomorrow we start the next project.
17:15 Dafull97 damn
17:15 Dafull97 what grade?
17:15 NakedFury architect school second year
17:15 Calinou 3 hours sleep must suck
17:17 NakedFury we are gonna start another 1/4 scale model tomorrow so it will be intense computer design so later we use the schools laser machine to cut the parts and then waste a full awesome day gluing then together
17:18 Jordach NakedFury, Y U NO MINETEST WORLD MAKE IT
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17:22 * Jordach grunts loudly
17:22 Jordach fuck sakes, found a UV issue on my G4 model
17:22 Jordach fixed in one render, not fixed for my templates
17:25 Jordach ugh, i hate temp fixes
17:25 Jordach it's a hack for the model :(
17:28 Jordach D: Blender (Not responding)
17:28 * Jordach is considering time travel
17:29 Jordach let's re-visit older renders
17:32 Jordach Are you sure to re-write history? [Yes] [HELL NO] [Maybe?]
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17:34 Jordach hey Peacock
17:34 Peacock hey
17:35 Jordach ouch, that render weighs 1.42mb
17:36 Jordach http://mg.viewskew.com/mgoblin_media​/media_entries/378/layzeebastard.png <-
17:36 Jordach 60's Space Furniture FTW
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17:40 john_minetest chilled
17:40 john_minetest hi STHGOM
17:41 STHGOM Hello
17:41 * Jordach forgot about the 15 mins delay on viewskew mail
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17:42 Jordach lol - my first Gen 2 model was actually used for my GitHub profile
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17:48 Jordach new picture get: https://github.com/jordach
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17:49 * Mati^1 who is RealBadAngel??
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17:49 thefamilygrog66 nice chair, Jordach
17:49 Calinou a real bad angel
17:49 john_minetest Mati^1: A guy who writes a lot of mods
17:49 john_minetest Like technic
17:50 Jordach > Minetest 1.0
17:50 Calinou nice Jordach
17:50 Jordach http://ubuntuone.com/3EU6x3Z0clyGmBV54GNPJf <- seems legit
17:50 thefamilygrog66 wish nodeboxes could do something like that chair, but the textures would be all wacky
17:52 thefamilygrog66 No, not Khaaaaaaaaaaaan again!
17:52 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan Groooooooooooog!
17:52 Jordach btw: http://realbadangel.pl/screenshots/Haven/scr1.png <- see the gravel: that DOES LOOK GOOD
17:53 thefamilygrog66 Jordach - that's a stock GIMP texture, no?
17:53 Jordach no idea
17:53 thefamilygrog66 looks like one of those texture fills
17:54 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan eeek i have a hard time with ultra-high-res and ultra-low-res textures
17:55 john_minetest ultra-low-res textures have that ugly interoplation on windows.
17:55 john_minetest in their image viewer.
17:56 Jordach not on windows 7
17:56 john_minetest ON WINDOWS 7
17:56 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan both give me headaches for different reasons lol
17:56 thefamilygrog66 couldn't find the gravel pattern fill in GIMP, but I did find coffee beans
17:56 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan low-res tends to be brighter on my led screen, highres for some reason dizzying lol
17:56 thefamilygrog66 which got me to thinking
17:56 thefamilygrog66 I need a freakin' coffee
17:57 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan haha im having some right now
17:58 thefamilygrog66 the only place around here is Slim Borton's, but it'll have to do
17:58 Jordach http://i.imgur.com/RoztesG.png <- john_minetest
17:59 Jordach Canadians and their fucking coffee
17:59 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan they keep opening so many timmies all over the place, you get sick of it before even having any lol
18:00 * Jordach pops another mint
18:00 thefamilygrog66 word
18:00 Jordach mmm, tasty
18:00 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan thought i recently read why theyre doing that (selling too many franchises) - they plan on buying back 1 bil $ in shares
18:00 john_minetest hmmm, strange, the interpolation is better now.
18:01 john_minetest maybe an update changed it
18:01 Jordach john_minetest, im running 7 SP1 iirc
18:01 * Jordach wants to run windows 95 in a VM
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18:01 john_minetest Also SP1 here
18:02 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan no surprise there, any restaurant on the stock market is pressured to increase profits by progressively cutting standards and quality, until consumers go elsewhere lol
18:02 thefamilygrog66 I'm gonna make minetest run on a Windows 3.1 machine
18:02 Calinou "Minetest for Workgroups"
18:02 * Calinou runs
18:02 thefamilygrog66 the thing with their clientele is that they're largely senile, so they don't remember how shitty the coffee was the last time they were there
18:03 thefamilygrog66 o_O
18:03 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan coffee stays about the same but the food is getting worse apparently
18:03 thefamilygrog66 it cleans you out pretty well, if you happen to be constipated
18:03 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan its funny that their coffee at the grocery store tastes better than their coffee in their shops
18:04 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan but thats prolly due to not cleaning the commercial coffee machines often enough
18:04 Jordach Minetest 3.11
18:04 Jordach huehuehue
18:05 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan gibe me money or i report u - huehuehue
18:05 thefamilygrog66 that's the main reason I don't drink draught beer anymore...
18:05 Jordach Time to Minetes 3.11 2,000 Years remaining
18:05 Jordach Minetet*
18:05 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan tap beer?
18:05 Jordach Minetest*
18:05 thefamilygrog66 yeah, bars don't clean the lines enough
18:05 thefamilygrog66 doesn't agree with me so much
18:06 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan yeah no ive worked in a few and you're lucky if the staff aren't as drunk/high as the clientele when they finish, so the cleaning is pretty random lol
18:06 thefamilygrog66 ^^^ yes
18:06 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan and honestly it tastes watered-down
18:06 thefamilygrog66 so how long till 0.4.8 is released guys?
18:07 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan Soon(tm)
18:07 thefamilygrog66 d'oh
18:07 thefamilygrog66 how long till an Android client? :)
18:08 thefamilygrog66 <crickets>
18:08 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan it is said when minetest 0.5.0 arrives, the antichrist will also be revealed
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18:10 Jordach haha
18:12 Jordach JESUS FUCK
18:12 kaeza AMEN
18:13 * Jordach sneezed a super sized snotball
18:13 Jordach my cough is still trying :P
18:13 kaeza yey green theme!
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18:14 * Jordach doesnt bother
18:15 * Jordach is really considering re-constructing Norwich; Jordach's closest city
18:20 john_minetest I would join
18:21 Jordach you got google maps loaded :P
18:21 john_minetest google maps is stupid
18:21 john_minetest I use OSM
18:22 john_minetest The streets are not very streight there...
18:23 thefamilygrog66 what's OSM?
18:24 Jordach john_minetest, filters
18:24 Jordach why don't we get the layout correct; then we add the buildings?
18:24 john_minetest OSM = Open street maps
18:24 thefamilygrog66 ahh
18:24 john_minetest I mean that the streets in reality aren't very streight
18:24 * Jordach thinks a Minetest -> Blender World would be nice
18:25 john_minetest In OSM those streets are placed after sattelite image.
18:25 john_minetest And there is a minetest -> Blender converter aviable.
18:25 john_minetest by sfan5 or thexyz iirc
18:25 andersje are you guys turning google maps data into minetest maps?
18:26 Jordach holy shit
18:26 Jordach they mapped Castle Mall
18:26 Jordach \o/
18:26 john_minetest we are trying to rebuild minetest maps after real pictures.
18:27 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan anyone do game of thrones in MT yet? ive heard ppl talk about the show here
18:28 * andersje thinks about a map->MT converter
18:28 andersje you guys saw the bit about Ordnance Surveys doing all of the British Isles into Minecraft, right?
18:28 Jordach john_minetest, i know where we should start
18:28 sfan5 ..
18:28 sfan5 ....
18:28 sfan5 .
18:28 sfan5 hi everyone
18:29 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan didnt know their maps was big enough for all the UK
18:29 john_minetest it is difficult... street mod doesn't really allow non-streight roads
18:29 andersje 22 billion blocks
18:29 andersje I'm guessing it's divided into regions somehow.
18:29 * andersje doesn't know a lot about minecraft
18:29 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan heck an MT map is 32K by 32K approx.
18:29 john_minetest leveldb could maybe handle MUCH more
18:29 john_minetest the only limit should be the HDD
18:30 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan would still need an engine/rptocol change i think
18:31 andersje http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-24177844
18:31 andersje that's the link to the article
18:31 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan i think the # of chunks is limited by the data type of the ids?
18:31 Jordach john_minetest, look for norwich city hall
18:31 * Jordach has been ~70m from it IRL
18:32 Jordach our next stop should be Berlin
18:32 * Jordach cant rember the dev of streets
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18:40 thecoffeegrogawa d'oh
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18:54 blaaaaargh thecoffeegrogawa sounds like a Japanese name
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19:11 Jordach hey Evergreen
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19:11 Evergreen hey
19:11 Jordach hello Calinou
19:12 Calinou hi Evergreen and Jordach :)
19:12 * Jordach gets a smiley face
19:12 Jordach \o/
19:12 Calinou (:
19:12 * Calinou gallops away
19:13 * Jordach shoots the pony
19:13 Jordach DEAL WITH IT
19:13 Jordach Evergreen, https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=111831#p111831
19:14 Evergreen You've got a very nice seat there
19:14 Jordach silly fact: if you search my name on Facebook, my animatic self will appear
19:14 Jordach github name*
19:15 Jordach i've just realised that looks like the most interesting meme
19:15 Jordach I dont make blender renders often...but when i do they're gold
19:17 Jordach here's my two options for a Blender animatics: Interview with me (yes, you will get to input questions) or a secret one ;)
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19:19 john_minetest back
19:19 PilzAdam front
19:20 john_minetest Jordach: Can you PM me your server IP again, chatzilla doesn't save history
19:20 Jordach john_minetest, i switched to blender; i might be able to do it over the weekend
19:20 Jordach <- doesnt have infinite CPU time
19:20 john_minetest So you are modeling your town in blender?
19:21 Jordach nope.avi
19:22 PilzAdam Jordach, I would vote for the secret one
19:22 Jordach i already hinted at it
19:22 Jordach can we stop the LUNACY?
19:23 Jordach oh, just look up; you'll see what i mean ;) (out of a window)
19:24 Calinou better stop the LUACY
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19:31 * Jordach smells shitty thing: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7277
19:31 Jordach > .rar
19:31 Jordach https://www.dropbox.com/s/mr​wwwfvfa6ypkyj/TheggaCity.rar
19:31 Jordach LOL
19:31 Jordach plol
19:32 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan surprised it's not .exe lol
19:33 * Jordach wonders why people haven't provided self extracting archives yet
19:33 Jordach iirc, 7-Zip and WinRAR
19:33 Jordach can make them
19:34 john_minetest lol, rar
19:34 john_minetest I use 7-zip on my windows computer.
19:34 john_minetest For packaging I prefer zip and tar.gz.
19:36 thecaffeinegrog6 close enough
19:39 harrison aardvark self storage
19:39 harrison self-extracting aardvaark: see above
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19:43 Pilcrow hey guys
19:43 Calinou Pilcrow id'd werecrow
19:43 Calinou hi
19:43 thecaffeinegrog6 How would I code it so that physics override happens for a set period of time (say 300 seconds, for example)?
19:43 blaaaaargh rar has berrer compression than zip by large
19:44 blaaaaargh berrer?
19:44 blaaaaargh better!
19:44 Pilcrow calinou: who's werecrow? my name's a grammatical symbol  :)
19:45 blaaaaargh Pilzcrow?
19:45 thecaffeinegrog6 ^^^
19:45 thecaffeinegrog6 Ye olde mushroom crow
19:46 Pilcrow blaaaaargh: and 7z *usually* has better comression than rar, although it's close...
19:47 blaaaaargh Pilcrow, indeed
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19:47 FreeFull 7z is slower though
19:47 FreeFull At least, for higher compression levels
19:47 Pilcrow I'm trying to compile a 32-bit linux version of minetest, but I'm getting lots of errors. I'm probably missing something, but I don't really know what...
19:47 blaaaaargh anyone tried lzip?
19:48 blaaaaargh http://alleg.sourceforge.net/​docs/lzip_compression.en.html
19:48 Pilcrow blaaaaargh: how about tar+xzip?  :P
19:48 thecaffeinegrog6 Any ideas re: my physics override question?
19:49 blaaaaargh "LZIP is an amazing format, isn't it? They sometimes manage to compress files down to 0 bytes!"
19:49 FreeFull xzip will produce slightly smaller files than gzip
19:49 PilzAdam thecaffeinegrog6, well, use set_phiscis_override() and minetest.after()
19:50 blaaaaargh set_piscis_override()
19:50 blaaaaargh there's one for each zodiac sign
19:50 thecaffeinegrog6 thanks PilzAdam - I'll mess around with it for a bit
19:51 Pilcrow anyways, if anyone can help me with this I'd appreciate it...  http://pastebin.com/7nNghBTc
19:51 john_minetest is it possible to switch off fall damage only in minetest?
19:52 john_minetest (Like in SRIV)
19:52 Calinou set all nodes to disable fall damage by default, maybe
19:53 thecaffeinegrog6 PilzAdam, does set_physics_override() work with 0.4.7, or do I need a newer version?
19:53 Pilcrow that's an unmodified git source, btw
19:53 PilzAdam dunno, look in the changelog
19:54 thecaffeinegrog6 it's in the lua_api.txt file for the version I have, so I'm gonna assume it works
19:55 Jordach hmm okay
19:55 * Jordach has reference material
19:55 Jordach woo
19:56 * Jordach isn't a fan of cold war era video
19:56 john_minetest VHS?
19:57 Jordach 16mm camera
19:57 PilzAdam I have LODR 1 and 2 on VHS
19:57 PilzAdam *LOTR
19:57 Jordach and it's in BLACK AND WHITE
19:57 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan and you need to wind up the VCR with a crank!
19:57 * Jordach thinks a B&W render might be in good taste
19:57 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan :P
19:57 john_minetest I have over 100 VHS with several recorded movies in my basement
19:58 PilzAdam Jordach, Im pretty sure you mean grayscale instead of black and white
19:58 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan that shit demagnetizes over time, even more if you actually watch them lol
19:58 Jordach they mean the same thing over here
19:58 PilzAdam no, they dont
19:58 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan but thats like dvd's randomly not playing after a year ortwo
19:58 PilzAdam (people in germany think that too, but they are also wrong)
19:58 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan ever recorded shit in EP?
19:58 FreeFull Khaaaaaaaaaaaan: That's why you convert the video to digital
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19:59 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan its alot more noticeable with EP :p
19:59 thecaffeinegrog6 OH NO, BETA!
19:59 john_minetest Storing videos digitally is stupid.
19:59 Pilcrow no help for me then, eh?
19:59 PilzAdam Jordach, black and white means literally only black and white; while grayscale has all shades of gray inbetween
19:59 john_minetest "shades of gray"
20:00 john_minetest :D
20:00 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan its funny tho, the family had the same VCR for nearly 20 years, whereas DVD players, ive had 5 in 4 years lol
20:00 Jordach BETAMAXC
20:00 Jordach -C
20:00 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan then i figured it was cheaper to buy a 2tb hdd
20:00 Jordach true
20:01 thecaffeinegrog6 I use to have one of those videodisc machines - 12" record type things housed in a plastic case that you inserted into the machine. It kept the disc and spat out the case, and actually used a stylus to play the movie, which you had to flip over halfway through.
20:01 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan media companies like to blame piracy but they brought it on themselves :P with extended cuts, director's cuts, masterpiece editions, flat screens, 3d tv, dvd, bluray, etc. lol
20:02 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan 3d tv, that lasted all of a year, maybe less lol
20:03 Calinou lol 3D TV
20:04 Pilcrow there are overlaps between grayscale and B&W though. tecnically the original gameboy had a black and white screen (err, green and dark green)... it got the 2 other shades by blinking at different rates, using the screen's "ghosting" properties to achieve a mostly-constant color...  :)
20:04 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan lol they like to sell you the same shit over and over
20:04 john_minetest 3d TV is so overrated.
20:04 john_minetest I prefer an oculus rift
20:04 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan oculus rift, sounds like a cocktail
20:04 Jordach 0x20, the final frontier: http://i.imgur.com/EQPru9H.png
20:04 Calinou john carmack and eihrul approve
20:04 * thecaffeinegrog6 still pulls out the original gameboy sometimes. Greentastic.
20:05 Jordach (im a lazy texturer)
20:05 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan wife plays GB games on an emulator lol
20:06 thecaffeinegrog6 me too
20:06 Jordach fuck that, i play them in an emulator WITH A GUITAR HERO GUITAR
20:06 john_minetest wut, there is a gameboy emulator?
20:07 Jordach !g visual boy advance
20:07 MinetestBot Jordach: http://vba.ngemu.com/
20:07 john_minetest I know one guy who has a real N64.
20:07 thecaffeinegrog6 I used to have one of those 50-in-1 cartridges from Japan, and I played this Japanese version of Asshole (the card game) repeatedly on a flight from Toronto to Vancouver - kept me sane.
20:07 Jordach i have one sitting in this room connected to my Samsung Smart TV
20:07 * Calinou has a 6 year old 42" plasma TV, not even HD
20:07 Jordach oh and btw, i HAVE GOLDENEYE
20:08 Calinou few stuff on TV is HD anyway
20:08 thecaffeinegrog6 n64 emulator is fun too
20:08 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan ugh, cant stand flying, seats get smaller while the passengers get bigger
20:08 Pilcrow I've got a lot of old systems. like 3 n64, a couple gameboy... and at least one working Sega GameGear!  :D
20:08 Calinou lol
20:08 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan a real star-trekian exercise in having two people occupy the same point in spacetime
20:09 thecaffeinegrog6 that makes no logical sense, captain
20:09 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan the worse is busses when you have a free seat next to you and a lady who obviously needs two squeezes in lol
20:10 Pilcrow or an old man who smells like he hasn't showered in the last 2 years...
20:10 Jordach http://i.imgur.com/7O0Osuy.jpg <- john_minetest
20:10 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan smelly people on public transit is a fact of life lol
20:10 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan if its not the people, its the food they eat
20:11 thecaffeinegrog6 people should all just stop eating, ffs
20:11 john_minetest Jordach: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpJyG7B6tAI
20:11 Jordach dont get me started on busses with the chinese and indians
20:11 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan naw they should just tax most junk food like they tax everything else bad for ya
20:11 john_minetest My friend has "Legend of Zelda - Ocarina of time" for N64
20:11 Jordach john_minetest, it still works; we even occasionally play mario party
20:12 Jordach john_minetest, i have it as well as lylat wars (star fox 64)
20:12 john_minetest I don't have any gaming device.
20:12 * Jordach throws john_minetest a kitten
20:12 Jordach now you do
20:12 john_minetest No consoles (gameboy, PS and so on)
20:12 thecaffeinegrog6 here, play this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVAiZN9obXo
20:13 Pilcrow my copy of ocarina of time still works fine. I even play it sometimes. usually I just emulate it instead, though.
20:13 thecaffeinegrog6 mask of majora
20:14 Jordach thecaffeinegrog6, is that your youtube
20:14 john_minetest thecaffeinegrog6: I prefer http://www.falstad.com/maze/
20:14 Jordach Pilcrow, is your copy GOLD?
20:14 thecaffeinegrog6 yeah, Jordach
20:15 Pilcrow that maze makes me want to play nethack again... and yes, Jordach, it is.  :)
20:15 thecaffeinegrog6 it's prompting me to install java, john_minetest
20:15 john_minetest yeah
20:16 john_minetest I have it installed because some people think it is nesssecary.
20:16 thecaffeinegrog6 I suppose if you want to play minecraft, haha
20:16 john_minetest I think that people should use PROPER programming languages like python, oberon and c++
20:16 Pilcrow also have majora's mask, but can't play it as I don't have the n64 mempack upgrade...
20:17 Calinou never heard of Oberon
20:17 Calinou also java is ok
20:17 Calinou it's 15-20% slower than C++ but runs on all OSes
20:17 Calinou and is also a bit easier to set up I guess
20:17 thecaffeinegrog6 easily exploited too
20:18 Calinou like any language...
20:18 john_minetest C++ also runs on all OSes
20:19 john_minetest Nearly all OSes are written in C
20:19 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan they should be written in JavaScript
20:19 Calinou yes but you need to compile it for each OS
20:19 * Khaaaaaaaaaaaan runs away
20:19 Calinou painful for OS X and windows :P
20:19 john_minetest Calinou: You have to compile JRE for every OS, too.
20:20 Pilcrow I think everyone should use BASIC, especially for programming operating systems...  :P
20:21 Jordach free subscribe to all minetest community members
20:21 PilzAdam 10 PRINT("NO!") 20 GOTO 10
20:21 Jordach S/NO!/nope.avi/
20:22 Calinou john_minetest: yes, only the JRE
20:22 thecaffeinegrog6 don't be knocking the BASIC...
20:22 thecaffeinegrog6 some of us old farts were weaned on it!
20:22 john_minetest Java is so overrated
20:22 Pilcrow lol I still dabble in qbasic. I've got both qb64 and freebasic on my current machine
20:23 PilzAdam Java isnt overrated
20:23 john_minetest I am looking into assembler a bit atm
20:23 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan well it never really lived up to its full promise either (java)
20:23 PilzAdam which one?
20:23 john_minetest x86 asm
20:23 thexyz lol @ 15-20% slower
20:23 Evergreen <offtopic>If anyone wanted to see, here is the state of my desktop (all the panels aren't actually showing all the time, just done for the screenshot) http://i.imgur.com/tjUKIkm.png </offtopic>
20:23 thexyz that's not how you measure performance
20:24 Calinou thexyz: if you use latest openjdk, it is 15 to 20% slower usually
20:24 Calinou maybe even better :P
20:24 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan http://en.wikipedia.org/wik​i/Write_once,_run_anywhere
20:24 Pilcrow assembly? that's about as non-portable as you can get  :P
20:24 john_minetest Evergreen: Nice xfce config. What could be useful is a transparent conky on the right hand side.
20:25 PilzAdam desktop icons? who uses them still?
20:25 Calinou I never use them, but I show them
20:25 Calinou lol
20:25 john_minetest PilzAdam: On all my linux machines I use i3 or dwm.
20:25 Evergreen I don't, they are just there
20:25 Calinou my Xubuntu config is quite default, but I use single click to open stuff, I have compositing off on my desktop
20:26 Evergreen A lot of where my config came from is being used to unity
20:27 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan ughughugh singleclick lol
20:27 Evergreen Hence the side bar with launchers
20:27 john_minetest I prefer Alt-D instead of singleclick
20:27 john_minetest yath0r | [51] RT @sgalineau: Tweets are capped to 140 characters to prevent arguments about Java class names.
20:27 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan give her the Alt-D
20:27 Pilcrow I've hated the *buntus for a long while. 8.4 was good, 8.10 was buggy, and everything after that just sucked...
20:28 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan buntu, either my graphics or my wifi didn't work, on any given version lol
20:28 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan they had one good version before going all NIH on it's users
20:28 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan "gnome 3 sucks? here's unity! we can suck more"
20:29 john_minetest I installed ubuntu once.
20:29 Pilcrow lol @Khaaaaaaaaaaaan, you couldn't be more right
20:29 john_minetest Although it was advertised as "dual boot" it killed my windows partition.
20:29 john_minetest And in addition to that it didn't work.
20:29 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan john you're lucky, beer is cheap in Germany :P installing ubuntu is quite expensive for me :(
20:30 john_minetest When you install ubuntu, drink Vodka to kill the pain.
20:30 thexyz Calinou: come on, there's no such thing as "usually" when we're talking about code
20:30 Calinou Khaaaaaaaaaaaan: single click = saves hand power
20:30 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan dont wanna know what you're saving it for :P
20:31 Calinou lol
20:31 john_minetest Calinou: alt-d or alt-shift-enter saves hand movement to mouse
20:31 Pilcrow I like single-click, but I'm in kde. each icon in the file manager has a "+" that if you click on it will select the file rather than open it.
20:32 PilzAdam singleclick in KDE works fine for me
20:32 thexyz also, the thing about "write once run anywhere" is shit
20:32 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan more like "write once, debug everywhere"
20:32 Calinou have fun compiling for windows and OS X and distributing it :P
20:33 thexyz even that wikipedia article tells you that
20:33 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan i know, PA wanted to know why i thought JAva was bull lol
20:33 john_minetest I know a open-source game that exists for osx, win32 and linux.
20:33 john_minetest compiled daily.
20:34 Calinou once you set it up it's easy
20:34 Calinou but the first time you do it on windows or OS X it's painful
20:34 Calinou I never got it working personally
20:34 sfan5 meow
20:34 * Khaaaaaaaaaaaan gives sfan cat treats
20:34 john_minetest Calinou: Not on windows, it is cross-compiled on linux.
20:34 sfan5 :-(
20:34 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan mine sits for them and raises her paw lol
20:34 Calinou hi sfan5
20:35 john_minetest cat meow > Calinou
20:35 harrison every time i try to compile, i become cross
20:35 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan though the cat got used to getting them when people leave, so when it's been too long, she brings me to my shoes and tells me the gtfo so she can have cookies lol
20:35 john_minetest cross-compiles on linux work pretty well
20:35 thexyz while "nice looking" is totally subjective I think some posts should be removed from https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=6755
20:35 harrison john_minetest: you have left #spasim and left behind that useless bot which does not even respond to hello
20:36 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan post or topic?
20:36 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan jesus, the lens flares, BlockMen is JJ Abrams in disguise!
20:36 thexyz some posts
20:36 PilzAdam russian censoreship in action
20:36 PilzAdam :-p
20:37 Calinou night
20:37 andersje night
20:37 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan Josh and Aqua's WP are pretty crappe
20:37 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan basically a screen with a caption lol
20:37 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan drugs.... https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=111690#p111690
20:38 Calinou screen with a caption isn't necessarily bad
20:38 Calinou the font is bad, though
20:38 thexyz https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=104323#p104323 too
20:38 Calinou and a wallpaper that isn't a photo should always be a .png :>
20:38 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan no but a caption on a white box? cmon
20:38 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan hell yahoo 95' homepage
20:38 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan *hello
20:38 Calinou yeah, that looks bad
20:39 thexyz I'd prefer http://i.imgur.com/h9FzXEM.jpg without "MINETEST" label
20:39 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan i have to stop looking at that or i'll get a seizure lol
20:39 john_minetest Lol: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvDKx7ltor8
20:40 thexyz honestly, I think this "Minetest" caption we now have everywhere looks like shit
20:40 thexyz but that's subjective, right?
20:40 thexyz also, previous design of the main website was better
20:40 Calinou yeah
20:40 Calinou more flat-designy :P
20:41 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan well... i can tell it's minetest without the caption, MC textures arent exactly the same
20:41 Calinou but the current one is easier to edit for admins, and has more content
20:41 thexyz this has nothing to do with design
20:41 thexyz just looking at the main page http://minetest.net/ makes me cry
20:41 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan well instead of a bunch of screens thrown together, you could have one screen thats a script that loops through the screenshots thread in general
20:42 thexyz that too
20:42 john_minetest yeah, that is really ugly
20:42 thexyz but those gradients look bad too
20:42 thexyz background
20:43 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan and you have a start tab, and a seperate menubar on top, wtf? lol
20:44 thexyz "start tab" is just page title
20:44 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan cant all the menubar items be tabs?
20:44 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan or just highlight home in the menubar instead of having the tab
20:44 Pilcrow why does it all lead to the screenshots thread, anyway? the images could showcase popular mods, and clicking on a pic will take you to its mod thread.
20:44 thexyz dunno, not touching it!
20:45 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan yeah whoever made that design wouldn't be happy lol
20:45 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan (if it got changed i mean)
20:45 thexyz I still think prowseed's design is the best one
20:45 john_minetest sfan5: MinetestBot doesn't respond to "hello" on #spasim
20:45 john_minetest Hello MinetestBot!
20:45 john_minetest Also here
20:46 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan maybe hold another design contest so no one can get pissed off at the winner lol
20:47 thexyz well
20:47 thexyz everyone but me seemed to like it
20:47 thexyz and at the same time everyone but me seemed to hate prowseed's design because it looks too professional
20:47 thexyz or something like this
20:47 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan well i thought (at the time) it looked too much like MC's website
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20:49 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan still, professional designs > amateurish ones
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20:49 * Sokomine looks for calinou and/or vanessa
20:50 * Sokomine deletes several a in khaans name
20:50 Pilcrow Khaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan
20:51 * Sokomine fires a photon torpedo at pilcrow!
20:52 Pilcrow I eat it. yum, photons!
20:52 * harrison drinks Potion of Irritability
20:54 Pilcrow anyways, can anyone help with that compile error? http://pastebin.com/7nNghBTc -- unmodified 9e6bd git download, compiling on an outdated 32-bit linux. I'm probably missing something, but don't know what...
21:00 Evergreen Gpong back to previous conversation, I liked the old design of the website much better.
21:01 Pilcrow I only started playing minetest after 0.4.4 was released. it hasn't changed much since then, that I recall
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21:02 PilzAdam Pilcrow, what irrlicht version do you have?
21:02 Pilcrow irrlicht-svn 3843
21:04 Pilcrow not really sure how old that is. I'll try compiling the latest from source.
21:04 PilzAdam be sure to not use a pre-release 1.8
21:05 PilzAdam its known that it doesnt define u64
21:05 Pilcrow ok
21:05 PilzAdam you can patch Minetest to simply define it, though
21:10 Pilcrow ok, thanks for the help. sorry, just trying to get minetest working on another computer. my main one is 64-bit and more updated, so compiling it in there worked fine...
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21:27 Pilcrow thanks, PilzAdam. updating irrlicht seems to have fixed my problem.  :)
21:34 Pilcrow sweet, minetest installed and running on this beast
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21:35 Pilcrow hello, blaaaaargh
21:35 blaaaaargh o/
21:36 Pilcrow I just installed minetest on a 2-year-old linux install.  :P
21:37 john_minetest OMG blaaaaargh!!!
21:37 john_minetest Pilcrow: Which distro?
21:37 * blaaaaargh .
21:38 Pilcrow chakra linux, a fork of arch
21:40 john_minetest Oh, yeah. That was that one with the graphical installer iirc.
21:41 john_minetest 1.7 GB is too much for me. My internet speed is too low.
21:41 Pilcrow yeah, it's pretty nice. not as outdated as, say, debian, but more stable than arch.
21:42 Pilcrow it's what I use in my machine too, but they switched to 64-bit-only with recent versions, so this old beast was out of luck.  :P
21:42 john_minetest I never had any crash because something on arch was unstable.
21:42 john_minetest I wonder if people just invented "stable" to have an excuse for outdated packages.
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21:43 Pilcrow pacman -Syu will rarely, if ever, break anything in chakra (even with the testing repo enabled). as I recall, you need to be a bit more selective with updates in arch...
21:43 harrison debian outdated lol
21:44 harrison not if you run bleeding edge debian++ such as siduction
21:44 harrison like the best coders do
21:45 Pilcrow harrison: and then it has stability issues since sid is not intended for production use.  ;)
21:45 harrison you are compiling minetest on a 6-sigma uptime corporate server?
21:46 Pilcrow nah, I'm just saying I prefer a little more stability. doesn't need to be bullet-proof, but I'm fond of global updates...
21:47 harrison thus the "outdated 32bit linux"
21:47 harrison i see
21:48 harrison your preferences are strangely odd....
21:48 Pilcrow no, no, this is an old computer. my main box is more up to date.
21:50 Pilcrow chakra was installed on this thing before they dropped 32-bit support, and it'd take some effort to back up its files and install something current...
21:52 Pilcrow ǝlɟɟɐʍ ʍlɟɟɐʍ ǝlɟɟɐʍ
21:54 Pilcrow anyways, I'm gonna shut this thing down and get on my main computer.  :)
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22:10 jojoa1997 could i have a website with a minetest domain
22:13 PilzAdam ^ example how not to ask questions
22:13 PilzAdam 1) there is no question mark
22:13 PilzAdam 2) quit ASAP after asking
22:13 PilzAdam 3) dont give any context at all
22:13 harrison PilzAdam: I feel offended by your recent action(s). Please read http://stop-irc-bullying.eu/stop
22:14 PilzAdam harrison, as a bully I feel offended by your link. Please read http://trololol.com/
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22:59 NakedFury down with bullies
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23:21 dafull97 looking for support, can someone help?
23:21 dafull97 i might have a glitch
23:21 PilzAdam have you read the channel topic?
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23:26 dafull97_ hey, can anyone help me?
23:27 Evergreen BlockMen is awesome:    https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7289
23:28 dafull97_ wow that is preety awesome
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23:28 PilzAdam dafull97_, http://irc.minetest.ru/min​etest/2013-09-24#i_3336177
23:29 dafull97_ i have, what are you the play police?
23:30 PilzAdam "Don't ask about asking questions."
23:30 dafull97_ im not asking about questions, i am asking about glitches
23:30 PilzAdam you dont look for someone to help, you just say what you want and people will answer it then if they can
23:31 dafull97_ cry much?
23:31 dafull97_ leave me alone... i am not asking you obviously
23:31 PilzAdam umm... I just explain how IRC works
23:31 PilzAdam otherwise you will be ignored like in #minetest-mods
23:37 FreeFull And he never said what the glitch is
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23:39 dafull97 is that little kid still here?
23:39 PilzAdam lol
23:39 dafull97 -.-
23:40 Evergreen What is your problem?    It would be good if you could post it on the bugs and glitches secrion of the forums
23:40 Evergreen *section
23:40 dafull97 i have, want the link?
23:40 dafull97 and i am not sure if it is a glitch... it could be
23:41 Evergreen sure, what is the link
23:42 blaaaaargh a bit on the offensive side are we...
23:42 dafull97 https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7288
23:42 PilzAdam what Minetest version do you use?
23:42 Evergreen Okay, what is the path to your mods folder
23:42 Evergreen ^   What PilzAdam  said
23:43 dafull97 */home/.minetest/mods
23:44 Evergreen What minetest version?
23:44 Evergreen That is the correct path
23:46 dafull97 Irrlicht Engine version 1.7.2,  Linux 2.6.32-042stab078.28
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23:48 dafull97 Irrlicht Engine version 1.7.2,  Linux 2.6.32-042stab078.28
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23:49 kahrl so much netsplit
23:49 PilzAdam am I on the good side again?
23:50 dafull97 what you mean by that ^^
23:50 kahrl I see ponies on this side. So yes.
23:50 PilzAdam dafull97, the Minetest version is at the top-left corner of the screen
23:51 PilzAdam *window
23:52 dafull97 it is in a VPS, which means that i connect via ssh
23:52 PilzAdam oh right, then how did you install Minetest?
23:52 PilzAdam kahrl, why dont we have a --version ?
23:53 kahrl we don't?
23:53 kahrl I never noticed
23:53 dafull97 with a command, lol... it is my server in the VPS Btw....
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23:54 PilzAdam kahrl, also, changing the version after releasing to something new (e.g. with -dev at the end) would help a lot
23:54 kahrl I see some people do that in screenshots
23:55 kahrl I think proller does it
23:55 kahrl we should adopt that, yes
23:55 PilzAdam I see a lot of people here that say "I have 0.4.7" but they actually have latest git
23:55 PilzAdam dafull97, what command?
23:55 dafull97 --info
23:56 kahrl --info enables infostream output to stdout
23:56 PilzAdam --info prints the Minetest version
23:56 PilzAdam but we should still add --version
23:56 dafull97 that is what i did... so what is wrong?
23:57 PilzAdam anyway, so what is your Minetest version?
23:58 NakedFury so many times the question what is your minetest version has been asked already
23:59 PilzAdam MinetestBot should do that for us...
23:59 dafull97 yes, i have told them already?
23:59 NakedFury you havent
23:59 NakedFury you said irrlicht version not minetests version

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