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00:09 ShadowNinja -_- Do you see anything wrong with this? https://github.com/RealBadAngel/technic/blob/master/technic/machines/lv/cnc_api.lua#L337
00:10 NekoGloopMkII Make absolutely certain you use the same spelling for all of them
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00:11 Ego Are the default mods necessary?  Like Screwdriver or Vessels?
00:11 Ego If I delete them, will Minetest break? =P
00:11 NekoGloopMkII ShadowBot, or, y'know, say the error? :D
00:11 NekoGloopMkII Ego, Probably.
00:11 ShadowNinja I'll give you a hint. GitHub doesn't show it well but that function has only 22 arguments.
00:12 Kacey desc_slope_upsdown
00:12 Kacey needs to be usdwn to match the rest
00:12 NekoGloopMkII Kacey, that's fine
00:12 NekoGloopMkII Or, at least, functional.
00:12 NekoGloopMkII ShadowBot, well, go figure.
00:13 NekoGloopMkII ShadowNinja.
00:13 NekoGloopMkII Fucking ShadowBot, stop stealing the tabs.
00:13 Kacey idk then
00:14 ShadowNinja I wonder if this even runs. It might not be called.
00:16 NekoGloopMkII Seeing as I haven't played with technic since he was just starting to add MV?
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00:17 khonkhortisan_ I switched from programmer dvorak to dvorak, and minetest rejects many less keys.
00:17 khonkhortisan_ It's just the numpad that isn't working now, instead of 3 turning into newline.
00:20 khonkhortisan_ Ego, only the mods that depend on them won't work. There is, however, a file that defines air and CONTENT_IGNORE. If you remove that, it will break.
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00:23 Ego Definitely useful information
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00:45 khonkhortisan_ ipv6 broke minetest again
00:48 john_minetest ipv6 is stupid. Hexadecimal is useless. Binary is for the real ones.
00:50 sokomine suspicious posting: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=99746#p99746 advertises for a free mc account. the page it points to is...suspicous to me
00:51 sokomine it asks people to advertise for it (that page) 3 times and pretends to check if that advertisement has been done. after that it promises a free mc account. seems to lead to a code generator
00:54 khonkhortisan_ the download link looks like a pay-per-click
00:55 john_minetest I remember captainfap as using the forum for longer time...
00:55 khonkhortisan_ http://getperclick.com/ has many code generators for many things
00:55 john_minetest Delete topic, maybe it's an account cracked.
00:55 sokomine i don't think it's maliscious on his part
00:57 sokomine he probably just found the link, thought he had to do the advertisement the site asked for (after all it's not too off-topic) and believed it. strangely enough, the program can be downloaded without doing anything. maybe it's malware
00:59 kahrl certainly a spam bot. see http://tyannakinsey.blogspot.de/2013/01/hurrah-you-wont-believe-this-i-just-got.html
00:59 kahrl captainfap probably used a weak password
01:00 kahrl well, or malware grabbed his password
01:00 sokomine i've pm'ed him. if he didn't post it he'll at least know to change his pw now
01:02 khonkhortisan_ Client->Address/Port->Press Up or Down->mainmenu.lua:685: attempt to index a nil value
01:02 NekoGloopMkII Yes, the lua menu is a POS
01:02 NekoGloopMkII we get it :P
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01:10 ShadowNinja So far on technic: 44 files changed, 563 insertions(+), 7548 deletions(-)
01:10 ShadowNinja (This is not the first mod I have done this to...)
01:11 ShadowNinja A few hundred lines is just commented out currently.
01:11 ShadowNinja s/is/are/
01:12 VanessaE wow
01:13 VanessaE hope you've been rebasing periodically :)
01:13 VanessaE (given how much development technic's seen of late)
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01:23 suntonlain hello, i was still here, but sleeping !
01:23 suntonlain :-)
01:24 suntonlain here in Romania is 4:23AM
01:24 suntonlain ;-)
01:26 suntonlain Abd i listen GoaPsyTrance from di.fm
01:26 suntonlain and
01:41 PilzAdam bye
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01:43 eduhat hey guys, I just found out about minetest and downloaded it... pretty cool game.
01:43 eduhat now i just need to learn how to play!
01:43 suntonlain :-))
01:45 eduhat how do I build stuff lol?
01:45 VanessaE dig and build, pretty basic really :)
01:46 VanessaE usually you start by felling a tree and using the wood to make sticks and wooden tools, then go from there
01:46 VanessaE left click digs.  right click uses what you're holding (usually places)
01:47 eduhat yea I was messing around and digged some sand and placed it. thats about as far as I got
01:49 suntonlain eduhat, we wait to have an editor for minetest worlds
01:50 suntonlain is hard to made by hand objects in minetest
01:50 khonkhortisan dug
01:50 VanessaE not really
01:50 VanessaE if you want a world editor, use creative mode
01:51 khonkhortisan and worldedit
01:51 suntonlain why, notrealy ?
01:51 VanessaE yup
01:51 VanessaE and that terrain gun thingy that mauvebic did
01:51 eduhat what is world editor?
01:51 suntonlain yes i ue only creative
01:51 VanessaE worldedit
01:52 VanessaE it's a mod that allows you to do large operations at once
01:52 VanessaE e.g. building walls, filling/copying/moving areas, a few geometric primitives
01:52 suntonlain vanessaE, you have a server online, isn't it ?
01:52 VanessaE yes, but you need git from today to use it.
01:52 VanessaE vanessae.mine.bz:30000
01:53 suntonlain Eduhat, a world editor is a map editor
01:53 VanessaE suntonlain: not in this case.  "worldedit" (one word) is not a map editor.
01:54 suntonlain and minetest not have a map editor, with terrain generator, and staff
01:54 VanessaE it's a library of commands one can use to effect large, bulk changes to the world, but you run it from within the game.
01:55 eduhat oh i see. I'd just like to start building stuff. Im going to have to read some tutorials
01:55 suntonlain yess VanessaE, at minetest, worldedit is not a mapeditor, is just a simple mod
01:55 VanessaE "simple"? hhe
01:55 VanessaE heh
01:56 suntonlain i talk about worldeditor like minecraft
01:56 VanessaE afaik, we don't have such a thing
01:56 suntonlain i  talk about world editor like OMAN
01:56 eduhat how does minecraft compare to minetest?
01:57 VanessaE dunno, never played minecraft
01:57 suntonlain Oman is the best world editor
01:57 suntonlain ;-)
01:58 suntonlain if we can have a translater of maps from minecraft to minetest, then wew will can kill minecraft
01:58 VanessaE meh
01:58 suntonlain :-))
01:58 VanessaE make your own maps
01:58 khonkhortisan We need to be able to move structures between servers, without actually having access to the server computer
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01:59 suntonlain WanessaE, i will try to entry in your 3dspace
02:00 NekoGloopMkII minecraft is more gamey and minetest is more sandboxy
02:00 VanessaE suntonlain: you must use the latest git build from today.
02:00 VanessaE NekoGloopMkII: interesting way to put it
02:00 khonkhortisan From lua, what library can I use to store rotations?
02:01 suntonlain what is a 'git' ?
02:01 khonkhortisan a revision control system
02:01 VanessaE suntonlain: a source code rev...... yeah
02:01 khonkhortisan git svn cvs rcs etc
02:01 khonkhortisan hg/mercurial
02:02 VanessaE github is the site on which we store said source code.
02:02 suntonlain 0.4.7 is not good ?
02:02 khonkhortisan current git is not good.
02:02 khonkhortisan ipv6 crash
02:02 VanessaE when someone says "latest git", then mean you need to get the very latest development version of the source code from that side.
02:02 VanessaE site*
02:03 VanessaE suntonlain: not for my server.
02:03 VanessaE (because of a bug that just got fixed)
02:03 suntonlain well WanessaE, but you do not want to have ordinary visitors ?
02:03 VanessaE suntonlain: it's Vanessa (with a V)
02:03 khonkhortisan modders like the latest stuff
02:03 khonkhortisan or Van-tab
02:04 suntonlain Ah, sorry
02:04 VanessaE suntonlain: normally it would be fine, but not in this case.
02:05 suntonlain and i remember about a Vanessa with a nice site about minrcraft or minrtest, a person fro usa.
02:05 VanessaE that was probably me :-)  (but minetest only)
02:06 suntonlain on that site are nice photos
02:06 suntonlain ah, well, then i am prowd to meet you
02:06 suntonlain you have a great site about minetest
02:07 VanessaE nope
02:07 VanessaE just a lot of forum posts and a wikia article for one of my mods
02:08 * khonkhortisan waits for his compile to finish before posting something here
02:08 suntonlain you knew ? infact ( not infect) minetest does not have a serious docummentation for noobs
02:09 VanessaE I knew what?
02:09 ShadowNinja suntonlain: wiki.minetest.net?
02:09 suntonlain his wiky is for developers and smart users
02:09 khonkhortisan PLEASE MERGE https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/794/files
02:09 khonkhortisan minetest will not run without this
02:10 suntonlain wiki is not for stupid users like me
02:10 VanessaE khonkhortisan: better mention that in -dev
02:10 ShadowNinja khonkhortisan: enable_ipv6 = false?
02:10 VanessaE (though since I don't use ipv6 at all, it doesn't affectme)
02:10 khonkhortisan ShadowNinja, that's why it needs this commit.
02:11 suntonlain i want hekp for all kinds of users not only geniouses
02:11 khonkhortisan (though since your computer supports ipv6 at all times, it doesn't affect you)
02:11 VanessaE suntonlain: sooner or later we will have some decent docs for noobs
02:11 ShadowNinja The port issue has to be fixed in that pull.
02:11 VanessaE suntonlain: but a fair part of what applies to minecraft classic applies to minetest_game also
02:13 suntonlain VanessaE minetest need a OMAN like editor
02:13 VanessaE why?
02:13 VanessaE play the game, don't just edit the map :)
02:13 suntonlain that editor is the king of all editors
02:14 suntonlain aaaah, sorry, i love to make maps and stay at chat, not playng
02:16 suntonlain Minetest need a OMAN beacouse with minetest we can do a lotof kinds of 3d spaces
02:16 VanessaE if you wanna draw maps, go use a paint program :)
02:16 VanessaE suntonlain: so code it :)
02:18 suntonlain nope Vanessa,E, allredy i have VRML severs, and OpenSim too, but minetest family servers run more easy in my netbook
02:18 suntonlain OMG
02:18 suntonlain you say me about coding ?
02:18 suntonlain :-))))))
02:18 VanessaE anyone can learn to program.
02:22 suntonlain No way for codding. My mind is of a old person
02:23 suntonlain And my english is so poor, and is hard for me to learn corect english
02:24 suntonlain then is hard for me to read in english
02:25 suntonlain Sincerely, nore in my mather language i do not knew grammar, sintax and so on ...
02:25 * Kacey just read the wiki on the modding api...
02:25 suntonlain And you tell me to make code ...
02:26 suntonlain :-)))))))
02:26 Kacey the instructions weren't clear enough... i got my cat stuck in the cieling fan... i dont even own a cat...
02:26 ShadowNinja Kacey: dev.minetest.net?
02:27 Kacey yep
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02:54 suntonlain he he he, ...and I have a lotofthings to knew about using this IRC ...
02:54 suntonlain Great application this freenode
02:54 VanessaE freenode is a network, not an application
02:55 suntonlain ups !
02:55 suntonlain just i was on your site
02:55 suntonlain but allredy was known from a few month ago
02:56 suntonlain whe i did searching about minetest.
02:57 suntonlain VanesaE, can I open a thread wit noobs using minetest ?
02:58 suntonlain with
02:58 VanessaE I don't run the forums, I'm just a mod there.  anyone can create new threads (except in "News" and "Mod Releases")
03:00 suntonlain there in forum is another romanian
03:01 suntonlain virtual heghog or somethat ...
03:01 suntonlain wait  to seee
03:01 suntonlain :-))
03:02 hdastwb Menche, are you running repairs on your server?
03:04 kahrl radio just played dragostea din tei
03:04 kahrl only romanian thing i know :D
03:04 Menche sorry, restarted it a few times
03:05 Menche seeing if disabling debug logging will help with performancfe
03:05 Menche *performance
03:05 Menche i'm redirecting the output instead
03:06 Menche http://i.imgur.com/jIOkjNB.png
03:06 Menche entity duplication?
03:06 Menche (in an unloaded block)
03:06 kahrl Menche: seems to happen a lot on other servers as well
03:06 hdastwb indeed, I do remember seeing that when I teleported into spawn
03:07 hdastwb so, it seems like there's not currently any way of acquiring pumpkin seeds in minetest short of /give and creative…
03:13 suntonlain VanessaE you have 2 personal messages in minetest forum
03:13 suntonlain :-)
03:15 VanessaE suntonlain: er...
03:15 VanessaE *reads messages*
03:19 suntonlain sunt_on_lain mean i_am_online in english  ;-)
03:22 khonkhortisan what does i_am_online mean then?
03:22 khonkhortisan I mean-
03:23 khonkhortisan what does I_am_online, meaning sunt_on_lain, mean in?
03:24 suntonlain yess is in romglish ... meaning romanian0english :-))
03:25 suntonlain sunt = I am
03:25 suntonlain and
03:25 suntonlain onlain = online
03:25 suntonlain :-)
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03:38 suntonlain Is 6:37AM here. I must to go. See You soon. Bye bye
03:47 meldrian ha, thats nothin, its 5:47 here and iam still there ^^ good morning everyone
03:51 hdastwb just about midnight here; I'm signing off
03:51 arsdragonfly good morning
03:52 arsdragonfly it's 11:52a.m. here right now
03:53 arsdragonfly Monday btw
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06:51 sfan5 !rand 100
06:51 MinetestBot AttributeError: 'int' object has no attribute 'replace' (file "/home/xyz/bot/irc.py", line 162, in safe)
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08:32 JamesTait Good morning all, happy Get Out of the Dog House Day! :-D
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08:55 webdesigner97 hi
08:57 Calinou hi
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09:04 webdesigner97 how can I access param2 of a noed at <pos>?
09:04 webdesigner97 *node
09:05 webdesigner97 ah
09:06 webdesigner97 minetest.get_node(pos).param2 :D
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09:16 webdesigner97 is <pos> in on_blast the position where the explosion started or the position of the node?
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10:07 arsdragonfly what are the listnames of a player's InvRef?
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10:09 asdd444 Minetest sounds good,and it's supposed to be lightweight...but can it run OK on Intel Integrated Graphics?
10:09 arsdragonfly It's said that it runs playable on a GMA950 gpu
10:11 asdd444 I don't know much about what gpus are good and what's bad,only that my laptop isn't good.20 FPS tops on your more commerical competitor(during normal gameplay)
10:14 Calinou asdd444: it depends which
10:15 Calinou intel graphics range from "very crappy" to "acceptable"
10:15 asdd444 Mine is a i3,with integrated graphics.
10:15 Calinou 20 FPS tops in minecraft, expect 20 FPS topis in minetest too
10:15 Calinou I bet you have an atom 8)
10:15 Calinou oh
10:15 Calinou asdd444: which gen i3
10:15 Calinou more recent i3s should give you better FPS than that
10:15 Calinou but the first gen i3s still have very slow IGPs
10:17 asdd444 Still,the modding sounds good.What's it written in?
10:17 Calinou lua
10:17 asdd444 Ah,lua,so that means no arcane magic needed for modding then?
10:18 Calinou arcane magic?
10:18 asdd444 Like decompilation.
10:18 asdd444 That's how insane MC modding is.
10:19 Calinou decompilation AND deobfuscation
10:19 asdd444 I know.You get the point.
10:19 Calinou and no mod downloading over a server, if a server adds content, you have to mod your client yourself
10:19 asdd444 -wait,you can do that?
10:20 Calinou on minetest yes
10:20 Calinou textures, models and sounds are downloaded when you join a server, and cached
10:20 asdd444 Wow.
10:20 Calinou there is HTTP download support for faster downloads
10:20 Calinou this also makes server-side texture packs possible (but not enforceable)
10:20 Calinou like in minecraft
10:21 asdd444 Do you think it's possible to move a MC world to Minetest?
10:22 asdd444 If they both have a chunk size of 16x16x256 it should be...
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10:29 asdd444 Irrlicht? The devs actually figured out how to stop it from crashing every second?
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10:38 arsdragonfly is removing a wield item setting it to 'air 1'?
10:39 sfan5 asdd444: Minetest has a chunk size of 16x16x16 and there are multiple of them on the x axis
10:39 sfan5 arsdragonfly: you mean if don't hold anything in your hand
10:39 sfan5 #?
10:39 arsdragonfly if i'm holding something and i want to remove it
10:40 sfan5 asdd444: *y axis
10:40 asdd444 So basically,like minecraft.
10:40 sfan5 no
10:40 arsdragonfly 'air 1
10:40 asdd444 Actually,you'll find that minecraft has in it's chunks Sections.
10:40 sfan5 Minecraft has 16x256x16 chunks and there's only _1_ chunk on the x axis
10:40 arsdragonfly or 'default:air 1'?
10:41 sfan5 damnit
10:41 sfan5 *y axis
10:41 asdd444 Sections are 16x16x16.
10:41 arsdragonfly that is ,vertically
10:41 asdd444 They are put in a chunk,16x256x16.
10:41 sfan5 asdd444: MC has no such thing called "sections"
10:42 arsdragonfly sfan5 which one is right?
10:42 asdd444 http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Chunk_format
10:42 arsdragonfly 'air 1' or 'default:air 1' or something else?
10:42 asdd444 See "Sections"
10:42 sfan5 arsdragonfly: if you look into the default mod theres no air registered, air is named "air"
10:42 asdd444 in the NBT format.
10:43 arsdragonfly ok thx
10:45 sfan5 arsdragonfly: but to remove items you need to use "" not "air" otherwise you'll get the "air (you hacker you!)" item in your hand
10:45 arsdragonfly ok
10:45 arsdragonfly so ItemStack("") is valid right :-P
10:48 sfan5 yes
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10:53 webdesigner97 hi again
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10:53 SteveWarfare hi
10:54 sfan5 hi
10:54 SteveWarfare sfan its me Ragnar
10:54 SteveWarfare i forgot my pw :D
10:54 webdesigner97 1 week ago I had a suggestion in "feature discussion", but no developer answered yet :( http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=6499
10:55 SteveWarfare but anyways... is there somebody that could help me build a membership system in PHP and MySQL?
10:55 SteveWarfare webdesigner97
10:55 SteveWarfare could you help me please?
10:55 SteveWarfare im thinking of reopening my Minetest Server
10:55 SteveWarfare but i first want a website :D
10:55 webdesigner97 I don't have time. I'm working on a website for my uncle
10:55 SteveWarfare oh :D
10:55 webdesigner97 :/
10:55 SteveWarfare ok
10:56 SteveWarfare well is there anybody else?
10:56 webdesigner97 what about learning PHP and MySQL yourself? ;)
10:56 SteveWarfare idk where from
10:56 SteveWarfare .-.
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10:57 SteveWarfare sfan5
10:57 SteveWarfare could you help?
10:57 sfan5 what?
10:58 SteveWarfare make a php/mysql membership system for my MT server
10:58 SteveWarfare .-.
10:58 SteveWarfare plz dood
10:58 sfan5 no
10:58 SteveWarfare oh ok <:/
10:58 sfan5 google can help you+
10:58 SteveWarfare mkay dood
10:59 SteveWarfare whats the default port of minetest?
11:00 webdesigner97 30000
11:00 SteveWarfare ok
11:00 SteveWarfare so 30k?
11:00 SteveWarfare so many zeros...
11:00 SteveWarfare but... would it run on port 27015\
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11:00 SteveWarfare ?
11:01 webdesigner97 i think yes. if 27015 is free
11:01 SteveWarfare it is
11:03 webdesigner97 then yes
11:03 SteveWarfare crap.... 0.4.3 lags as f***k...
11:03 SteveWarfare :D
11:03 SteveWarfare even with all the boxes checked off
11:03 SteveWarfare im getting like 1-3 fps...
11:03 webdesigner97 ouch
11:03 SteveWarfare ikr...
11:04 webdesigner97 gtg now. by
11:04 webdesigner97 *bye
11:04 SteveWarfare even Counter-Strike in Multiplayer while running my server with 2 more people on it doesnt lag that much
11:04 SteveWarfare o.o
11:06 SteveWarfare well guess the server idea is out...
11:06 SteveWarfare :/
11:06 SteveWarfare i know, ill make a modding community website :D
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11:12 PilzAdam Hello everyone!
11:13 SteveWarfare bye everyone!
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11:33 asdd444 I've seen the api-but where's the "Get the type of this block" function?
11:37 sfan5 asdd444: which one?
11:38 asdd444 The Lua api.
11:39 asdd444 I haven't seen a get the type of this block function...but the api docs do seem to be incomplete.For example,there's functions missing from one page but on another.
11:44 kahrl asdd444: minetest.get_node?
11:45 asdd444 There's no wiki page on it,but i'll try it anyway,see what it returns...
11:46 kahrl !dev minetest.get_node
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11:46 asdd444 I'm on the dev wiki.
11:47 kahrl oh, bot is down
11:47 kahrl http://dev.minetest.net/EnvRef:get_node
11:47 asdd444 Well that didn't make sense,but thanks.
11:47 kahrl it used to be minetest.env:get_node, it changed recently
11:48 asdd444 Ah,that does make sense....Back to work on my first test block titled "Decay"
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12:42 PilzAdam kahrl, AFAIK the minetest.env:* -> minetest.* switch is not done in the dev wiki yet
12:50 asdd444 I've noticed the game slows down when you make a block that spreads to every other block that isn't itself or air.
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13:21 webdesigner97 hi again
13:22 asdd444 Hello.I've been working on a world-destroyer.
13:23 webdesigner97 sounds.... interesting?
13:23 webdesigner97 Is PilzAdam here?
13:25 asdd444 The world-destroyer is a mod,which adds a block,which spreads,and eats the world.Leaving only itself.
13:26 asdd444 PilzAdam seems to be online,there's no Disconnect notice.
13:27 Exio4 webdesigner97: /whois $nick $nick
13:27 Exio4 two times
13:28 webdesigner97 thx
13:28 webdesigner97 it's not that important. I'll wait for him
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13:56 webdesigner97 I need a new house to live in my singleplayer world
13:56 webdesigner97 My old one burnt down by accident :(
13:56 webdesigner97 http://im.bilderkiste.org/6137389657701/fire.png
13:58 Exio4 aw
13:59 webdesigner97 that's sad... but I'll build a new one
13:59 webdesigner97 the question is: What to do with the old?
14:01 asdd444 I say,surround it with air...
14:01 webdesigner97 huh?
14:01 asdd444 so that my Decay dosen't escape and destroy your entire world...
14:01 asdd444 And put decay on it.
14:01 asdd444 It's a easy way of removing it.
14:01 webdesigner97 ...
14:05 asdd444 ...Actually,destroying the whole world accidently because of someone forgetting to remove 1 block isn't a great idea.
14:05 asdd444 Rebuild it.
14:05 asdd444 On the spot.
14:05 asdd444 Where the old one is.
14:05 webdesigner97 Or I'll make look like a real ruin
14:05 webdesigner97 with trees and poison ivy in it
14:08 asdd444 Ah,good idea.
14:08 webdesigner97 I'll make a screenshot when it's finished
14:08 asdd444 And put a sign "Memorial to the Old House"
14:09 webdesigner97 maybe :D
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14:10 asdd444 ...Linus? As in...no,it's not possible...
14:11 PenguinDad What isn't possible?
14:13 asdd444 That you'd be a certain person who made the linux kernel.
14:13 asdd444 Ah,Bad allocator error.I knew that decay would cause one eventually,it eats memory for breakfast.
14:13 asdd444 (oh,it's a n not a r.)
14:14 PenguinDad I'm not Linus Torvalds.
14:15 PenguinDad But Linus is the first part of my real name.
14:16 asdd444 Oh.And as for the penguin?
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14:18 asdd444 ...How far down does Minetest go? I still haven't destroyed the world with my evil experiment: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/21184720/AAHHHH.png
14:22 whirm asdd444: lol, nanobots are eating your world!
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14:23 asdd444 Not nanobots.Decay.I coded it myself to destroy the world.It still hasn't reached the bottom,and it's been going for ages.
14:24 asdd444 ...oh,maybe it has...or it could be the massive amount of stuff happening
14:24 whirm I think it was ~32000 deep
14:25 asdd444 Oh.So i'll never,ever,ever,ever,ever reach the bottom?
14:26 whirm asdd444: if you wait long enough...
14:27 asdd444 Exception:Access Violation.I've crashed it trying.
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14:27 pandaro hello to all guys
14:27 suntonlain salut
14:28 pandaro I have a small problem with my mod: "player_radar"
14:28 pandaro can i ask here?
14:29 suntonlain sure, but not to me, becaise i am totaly noob
14:29 asdd444 Wow,a player radar? All i've managed so far is a simple-world destroying block. Nothing in comparison.
14:30 pandaro is very easy, i use get_connected_player()
14:30 pandaro but
14:30 pandaro i have a problem with formspec
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14:31 pandaro from some updating formspec no longer displays images with dimensions smaller than 1.
14:32 pandaro example = "image [10,10, 0.9,0.9; object_radar_player.png]"                     is no longer displayed.
14:32 asdd444 ...smaller than 1? 1 pixel?
14:33 pandaro no, is not a pixel
14:33 webdesigner97 http://im.bilderkiste.org/3137389878450/fire.png
14:33 webdesigner97 http://im.bilderkiste.org/7137389879269/innen.png
14:33 webdesigner97 Screenshots of my house
14:33 pandaro is a  internal measure of minetest
14:34 asdd444 Well,are the arguments:x,y,scalex,scaley or x,y,sizex,sizey?
14:34 pandaro if you try my player radar befor 0.47 relase it work
14:35 asdd444 Ah,here it tells me on the wiki.
14:36 asdd444 ...Ok,it says nothing about the coordinate system used.
14:36 pandaro i dont know, in the api is   :   image[<X>,<Y>;<W>,<H>;<texture name>]^ Show an image^ Position and size units are inventory slots
14:36 asdd444 oh...here.Inventory slots.
14:37 asdd444 Right...And why do you need it smaller than 1 slot?
14:37 pandaro because it represents a player within a very large area
14:38 pandaro so i need little
14:38 asdd444 Quick idea,a bit of a cheaty one,but why don't you make the image bigger so it scales the actual dot down?
14:38 pandaro mmm
14:38 pandaro i try in 5 minut
14:38 pandaro thanks
14:39 asdd444 So for half a slot,you take the source,make a image double the size and copy the source to the top-left.
14:39 asdd444 If the Minetest engine scales stuff to fit,it should work.
14:39 asdd444 As i said,bit cheaty,and incompatible with buttons.
14:44 PilzAdam back
14:44 PilzAdam damn, 4 minutes :-/
14:44 pandaro nothing to do
14:44 pandaro hi adam
14:44 PilzAdam hey
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14:46 asdd444 Pandaro,did it work?
14:46 pandaro no asdd444
14:46 asdd444 ...A screenshot of before and after?
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14:48 pandaro before, my old version: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4835
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14:49 asdd444 And now?
14:49 pandaro a moment please
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14:53 ShadowNinja pandaro: You should talk to sapier about that. He was the most recent person to modify formspecs.
14:53 pandaro http://imgur.com/IV1ulWu
14:54 pandaro thanks for the info shadowNinja
14:54 asdd444 Instead of just a dot,make a dot with padding: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/21184720/Dot.png
14:54 asdd444 And keep the scale at 1.
14:55 suntonlain :-) OMG ! Great site this http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/ !
14:55 pandaro not very elegant, although it probably works
14:58 pandaro in fact if I used "box" instead of "image" I do what I want, but the problem is that it does not print images that are dim, but only semi-transparent
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14:59 pandaro someone is simply unaware of a way to represent small colored dots on a formspec?
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15:01 john_minetest Form speck.
15:02 pandaro Formspec defines a menu. Currently not much else than inventories are
15:02 pandaro supported. It is a string, with a somewhat strange format.
15:02 PilzAdam john_minetest, hehe
15:02 pandaro i like speck
15:02 pandaro senfter
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15:07 pandaro anyway thanks to all for the help, now I have to go, I'll try to ask sapier when I see it online
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15:14 Jordach if theres one person i want in this channel again, it;s mauvebic
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15:41 iqualfragile then get him back
15:42 * PenguinDad is back from playing Redeclipse.
15:42 Calinou red eclipse :D
15:42 iqualfragile i started playing unvanquished lately
15:43 iqualfragile hdastwb: why not use the elevator mod?
15:43 PenguinDad Calinou: My friend plays it too.
15:43 iqualfragile are you female or homosexual?
15:43 Calinou are there any players on unvanquished?
15:43 Calinou iqualfragile: le closed question
15:43 iqualfragile yes, but only in the evening
15:44 iqualfragile well… my evening at least
15:44 iqualfragile in about 3-4 hours
15:46 iqualfragile closed question?
15:46 Calinou <iqualfragile> are you female or homosexual?
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16:06 hdastwb I just tried it; the field generator thing is quite expensive for something that you'd use *before* you set up a mine and it gliched me into the cave floor at one point
16:07 hdastwb I like the 2x2 staircases; I think I might switch to using those predominantly in shafts
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16:11 iqualfragile you can just eddit the mod
16:11 iqualfragile but 2x2 staircases are not bad either
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16:18 Jordach Today: 20th anniversary of Rave on Digitally Imported
16:19 Calinou [inception face]
16:19 Calinou what
16:19 Jordach its over
16:19 Jordach fuck
16:19 * Jordach goes to last played.
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16:23 kaeza greetings
16:23 VanessaE greetz.
16:24 Jordach http://i.imgur.com/WO5UsMP.png <- Calinou
16:24 Guest13237 crap
16:25 Jordach Guest13237, hai kaz
16:25 Calinou le big .png
16:25 Calinou hi Guest13237
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16:25 Calinou too bad you have a "2" in your name
16:25 Calinou would be l33t if you didn't have one
16:25 * Jordach has been at the beach all day
16:25 Jordach :)
16:25 Guest13237 hehe
16:25 Jordach 28*C too
16:26 Jordach 29*C in places
16:26 Calinou here's a °
16:26 Calinou (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
16:26 Jordach upside down bracket needs to be higher Calinou
16:26 Calinou lol, it actually looks fine on the IRC logs
16:27 Jordach projectM is awesome
16:28 * Jordach just needs the accompanied LSD
16:28 Jordach and for once, my GPU is actually good at something 89fps
16:28 Jordach =*
16:29 Guest13237 I've just found that the game is unplayable without internet connection
16:29 Jordach huh?
16:30 Guest13237 the mainmenu seems to be downloading something it shouldn't, and blocking until the connection times out
16:30 Guest13237 now that I have no connection at home, the main menu does not show up at all
16:30 Jordach Guest13237, /msg nickserv identify <pass>
16:31 Guest13237 Jordach: I'm here only for a bit
16:31 Jordach oh
16:31 Guest13237 yey I'm banned from #-dev
16:31 Calinou Guest13237: old bug
16:31 Guest13237 (well, webchat is banned)
16:32 Calinou ponychat gets you automatic op as you join -dev
16:32 * Jordach slaps Calinou
16:32 Jordach i still retain only 92% of my sanity
16:32 Jordach the interwebs has the other 8%
16:33 kaeza_ Calinou: ?
16:33 Calinou kaeza_: joke :p
16:34 kaeza_ [13:32] <Calinou> Guest13237: old bug <-- this
16:34 Calinou yes, the freezing menu bug is there since always
16:34 kaeza_ it started since I pulled the new lua main menu
16:34 Jordach because serverlist
16:35 kaeza_ hrm
16:35 Jordach blame sapier now, even RBA makes better code
16:35 Jordach </troll>
16:35 kaeza_ I even have public_serverlist = false in conf
16:35 Jordach poke sapier to fix it
16:35 Calinou the menu shouldn't freeze in the first place, if this isn't preventable, timeout should be reduced to something like 5 secodns
16:35 kaeza_ (or whatever the setting is)
16:36 kaeza_ Jordach: sapier isn't here. could you notify him in #-dev? (or whoever it may concern)
16:37 kaeza_ meh, I'll open an issue on gh
16:37 Jordach kaeza_, just done
16:37 kaeza_ thx
16:38 Jordach not on gh though
16:38 Jordach i'm even more reliable than sapier
16:38 Jordach :P
16:38 Calinou but less reliable than TCP
16:38 Jordach but more reliable than UDP*
16:41 kaeza_ lol
16:41 kaeza_ hope this is enough: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/814#issuecomment-20982493
16:43 Jordach can certain members of the community, such as me, kaeza_ sokomine, Taoki and some others, get a group thing; eg, Old Member
16:43 asdd444 ...Ok,my world-destroying mod isn't fun enough.I'm working out recipes to turn Decay(the world-destroyer) into a automatic miner.
16:44 Jordach or something such as; Helpful User
16:44 kaeza_ Jordach: +1
16:44 Jordach although im more of an old member
16:44 Calinou Jordach: why?
16:44 Jordach Calinou, because i'm bored of Member
16:45 kaeza_ there aree tons of modders out there that have also done revolutionary mods
16:45 Jordach eg, sokomine, zeg9
16:45 kaeza_ s/tons/a few/
16:45 Jordach your travelnet is awesome
16:45 Jordach cmon 3DS, die of battery loss so i can charge you
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16:46 kaeza_ lol 3ds
16:46 Jordach the only game i want is Super Smash Bros Universe :P
16:47 Jordach because fuck Wii U
16:47 kaeza_ dunno, I still have meh olde PSX :P
16:47 Ego Does /ban command accept wildcards?
16:47 Jordach ha
16:47 Jordach Ego, nope.avi
16:47 Ego F7U12
16:47 Ego Some derp with an entire /8 is being lame.
16:47 Ego Erm, entire /16
16:48 Jordach youre allowed to say fuck. whether ShadowBot likes it or not :D
16:48 Jordach Ego, iptables
16:48 Ego Yep
16:48 kaeza_ hexawhatever again?
16:48 Jordach kaeza_, probably not
16:48 Jordach sweet, battery dead :)
16:48 kaeza_ inb4 3ds dead
16:49 Jordach nope
16:49 Calinou blender deaed
16:49 Jordach it used to have 1hr of usage from constant recharges, now it lasts all week
16:49 Jordach because i let it's lithium ions die
16:52 Jordach anyways, in London its 29*C
16:53 kaeza_ It's 5ºC here ;_;
16:53 Jordach lucky
16:53 Jordach i'd kill for that
16:53 * Jordach is shirtless
16:53 kaeza_ yeah sure
16:54 Calinou >lagging on MT server
16:54 Calinou >air bar appears while in lava
16:54 john_minetest Air bar in lava also seen by me.
16:55 Calinou :p
16:55 Calinou it does make sense
16:55 john_minetest But have you ever tried to breath in lava?
16:55 john_minetest :D
16:55 Calinou it should also appear when you're in solid nodes
16:55 Calinou (suffocation)
16:55 john_minetest yeah
16:55 john_minetest like sand traps.
16:55 john_minetest If you are in a solid block with your head, you are "breathing" somehow.
16:56 john_minetest bug
16:56 john_minetest swim up against a block when in water. you can breath.
16:58 Jordach \o/ my acer keyboard is breaking
16:58 PenguinDad It's not a bug.
16:58 Jordach brb - changing keybrd
16:58 VanessaE put it out of is misery
16:58 VanessaE :)
16:59 PenguinDad There is air stored in the nodes.
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17:06 Jordach awesome. i found a 1995 mechanical keyboard lying around
17:06 Jordach cleaned it, works fine
17:09 thexyz http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=6571
17:10 thexyz http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=6570
17:10 thexyz what a quality shitposting
17:10 Calinou lol
17:10 thexyz http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=6564
17:10 Calinou Ragnar logic
17:10 thexyz well this one is in offtopic at least
17:11 Calinou le onpon4 started a flamewar
17:11 thexyz time to rename offtopic to /b/
17:11 Jordach my suggestion is: anything you fucking want
17:11 Jordach let's all suggest vista
17:11 Jordach :D
17:12 thexyz i mean, why the fuck do you ask this in minetest forums
17:13 thexyz oh also, we're obviously not sniffing yer emails
17:13 thexyz obviously, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SORM
17:13 Zeg9 [quote=Ragnar]also i can PM (query/msg) you on the IRC channel .-.[/quote]
17:13 Calinou any email provider does that unless you 1) send encrypted mail 2) receive encrypted mail
17:14 Calinou but the sender and receiver would still be known, as well as send date
17:14 thexyz tell that to mauvebic
17:14 john_minetest thexyz: Google and Facebook _are_ evil
17:14 Calinou they are, but people still praise them for unknown reasons 8)
17:14 Calinou like, "people don't know other stuffs so they are scared"
17:15 thexyz john_minetest: well, I'm talking about the second part of his message
17:15 john_minetest I don't understand the second part.7
17:16 thexyz I don't either
17:16 Exio4 Calinou: people doesn't give a fuck about privacy, that is sad but the truth :<
17:16 thexyz he's probably talking about @minetest.net email addresses
17:16 Exio4 .ru?
17:17 Calinou fact: mauvebic is the village drunk
17:17 john_minetest "e are using IRC which is not encrypted and logged but better than giving data to Google and Facebook together with friend data and stuff.
17:17 thexyz which are provided by Yandex which is a russian company
17:17 Calinou Exio4: privacy is getting less and less relevant these days
17:17 thexyz Exio4: no, @minetest.net
17:17 Calinou john_minetest: you can use IRC over SSL :p
17:17 thexyz Exio4: check MX records
17:17 Calinou but it's still logged anyway, both serverside and clientside (idlers :D)
17:17 john_minetest I don't have such an e-mail adress.
17:17 thexyz yeah
17:18 thexyz that's why his reply is not clear
17:18 john_minetest And I have 3 adresses so I don't need one more.
17:18 Exio4 ah
17:18 Exio4 john_minetest: it is used for redirects though
17:18 thexyz I only use it for github issues & in-game credits tab
17:18 john_minetest Why does he talk about russians spying? PRISM is american...
17:18 Jordach http://i.imgur.com/z6bzTzg.jpg
17:19 Jordach ^ my *new* keyboard
17:19 Jordach everything high tect except...
17:19 Exio4 http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Linux-for-Workgroups-Linux-3-11-s-feature-set-now-confirmed-1917712.html
17:19 thexyz john_minetest: aren't yo afraid of russia?
17:19 john_minetest Russia is cool.
17:19 Exio4 linux for workgroups :D
17:19 Calinou https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/829 lol
17:19 Calinou john_minetest: in soviet russia, you cool russia
17:20 Calinou Jordach: way cooler than these 90€ corsair mechanical keyboards :3
17:20 Calinou -1 for beer
17:20 Jordach Calinou, energy drink
17:20 Calinou same thing
17:20 john_minetest I even know a few russian words. Like Союс.
17:20 thexyz it's союз though
17:20 Jordach Calinou, it also makes a sweet mechanical sound when i type now
17:21 Jordach (it even has a coiled phone cable like lead!)
17:21 john_minetest oh, right, it is z and not s in the end...
17:21 thexyz john_minetest: do you study russian?
17:21 john_minetest no
17:22 Jordach Calinou, PS/2 ftw
17:22 Jordach <- old school
17:22 Jordach skool*
17:22 john_minetest I have read the alphabet and I know which russian letter matches which one in english/german.
17:22 Calinou my mobo, which is a S1155 one, still has a PS/2 port :P
17:22 Calinou even the S1150 ones do
17:23 Calinou same for VGA ports
17:23 Exio4 i haz one PS/2 port
17:23 john_minetest I even have a serial port connector on my PC.
17:23 Ego Does anyone have creative_inventory mod?
17:23 Exio4 i have usb2.0 ports!
17:23 Calinou no
17:23 Ego The Dropbox link to the download is borked.
17:23 Calinou Exio4: very few mobos, to not say "none" are 3.0-only
17:23 john_minetest I have no 3.0 usb and I suspect my old pc having 1.0
17:23 Ego \
17:23 PenguinDad I have USB3.0 ports.
17:24 Exio4 Calinou: i know, it was a joke
17:24 Exio4 i have 14 (or 12, or 16, i don't recall) usb 2.0 ports :P
17:24 Exio4 lemme check
17:24 thexyz Jordach: how's ps/2 old school? how else would you be able to press any number of keys?
17:25 john_minetest Jordach: Isn't ps/2 the old keyboard/mouse thing?
17:25 Yepoleb yes
17:25 Exio4 i still have my ps2 key near in case i break this usb one
17:25 john_minetest I have my mouse/keyboard plugged in into such round multi-connector thingies.
17:25 john_minetest So I also use PS/2.
17:26 Exio4 14 x USB 2.0 port(s) (8 at back panel, black+red, 6 at mid-board)
17:26 Exio4 only 12, aww
17:26 john_minetest Although my mouse is USB and has a usb to ps/2 connector builtin
17:26 Yepoleb i don't have ps2 ports :'(
17:26 john_minetest laptop:3 ; computer: 3.
17:26 Ego Vanessae
17:26 Exio4 Yepoleb: what?
17:27 VanessaE WHAT!?!??! :)
17:28 kaeza_ awwww http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=6573
17:28 Ego You said in the thread for the creative_inventory mod that you had/were using the 0.4 git of creative_inventory , do you still have that, by any chance?
17:28 kaeza_ Jordach: ^^^^
17:28 Ego 0.1, 0.2, and 0.3 are linked to a Dropbox that is 404'd.
17:28 Ego I'd really like it.
17:29 Exio4 kaeza_: add more w(s)!
17:29 VanessaE Ego: I use Unified Inventory, which comes with Technic, and which is taken from technic's git
17:29 MarkTwain Someone help me choose
17:29 Ego I'm trying to get creative inventory only for particular people..
17:30 MarkTwain http://marktest.co.uk/CMS/ OR http://marktest.co.uk/MEDIA/ ??
17:30 MarkTwain For a main page
17:30 VanessaE that I don't know how to do, but wasn't there already a mod that does that?
17:30 Ego There's a creative mod that you can set creative on and turn people's inventories back to survival, but there are a couple bugs with it.
17:30 PenguinDad MarkTwain: CMS
17:30 MarkTwain Really?
17:30 MarkTwain But think about the load time
17:30 Ego Mainly, they can't collect more than 1 item of things, and the pagination of the mod goes by 2s often.
17:30 Ego Can't collect more than one if you're on survival inventory.
17:30 MarkTwain And is it better than http://marktest.co.uk/OLD
17:33 john_minetest MarkTwain: Why do you need a website?
17:33 MarkTwain Because Random
17:33 MarkTwain Remote Media
17:33 Yepoleb because of #swag
17:33 MarkTwain And other stuff that is classified
17:33 john_minetest I don't think that remote media is allowed.
17:33 Yepoleb and #yolo
17:34 john_minetest Hosting a site for media up/download only is disallowed at most hosters
17:34 MarkTwain Not ONLY
17:34 MarkTwain Thats why i need some content
17:34 Ego http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5399 Vanessae
17:35 Ego That only works if the world is already on creative, and then the people with survival inventories can only obtain 1 of each item, and the pagination is a little buggy
17:35 * VanessaE shrugs
17:35 VanessaE ask traxie if you can find her :)
17:35 MarkTwain Check http://marktest.co.uk/OLD/ now
17:36 MarkTwain images were screwed up
17:36 MarkTwain It should explain the use
17:36 john_minetest MarkTwain: Then do "<html><head><title>My site</title></head><body>this is my site. fooling the hoster, lol.</body></html>"
17:36 Calinou VanessaE: last time I saw hear was like 2 months ago on xonotic :P
17:37 VanessaE she did say she was gonna be away for a while.
17:37 MarkTwain Who likes /MEDIA/ Better than /CMS/
17:38 Calinou VanessaE: she said she was "leaving for a month or so" in... april, iirc
17:38 Calinou "and maybe forever in october"
17:38 VanessaE yeah
17:38 VanessaE something about a job I think it was?
17:39 Calinou yes
17:42 Ego Ah, if you start the game on survival with that addon, you can change people to creative, and it paginates properly, but they can't collect items at all, they can't drag items from the library to their inventory.
17:44 Ego Would anyone know how to fix that? :o
17:52 Jordach nope.aci
17:52 Jordach avi*
17:52 john_minetest WTF did i just see: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVTfszppJl8
17:52 Calinou inb4 rickroll
17:52 PenguinDad 602 stars on github
17:52 Ego Jordach, do I have to make a yep.avi just for you to respond in kind, ever?!?! =P
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17:56 PenguinDad Matti?
17:56 Mati^1 ??
17:57 PenguinDad The name of one of my classmates is Matti.
17:57 Mati^1 realy im Maciek ;)
17:58 Jordach (okay, this keyboard works fine :)
17:58 PenguinDad Mati^1: sorry
17:58 Mati^1 kein problem ;)
18:00 john_minetest Das war das Stichwort. Jetzt übernehmen wir den channel. ;)
18:00 Yepoleb genau
18:00 Mati^1 ja wohl ;)
18:00 PenguinDad john_minetest: hast recht!
18:00 Exio4 wat
18:00 john_minetest Wir sind in der Ãœberzahl
18:00 Exio4 !english
18:01 Mati^1 überzahlbar ;)
18:02 Yepoleb ist der channel schon übernommen?
18:03 Exio4 would be possible to switch to english, now?
18:04 PenguinDad They are talking about things that you don't need to know.
18:04 john_minetest :D
18:04 Exio4 world domination?
18:04 Exio4 pr0n?
18:04 Exio4 what? :>
18:05 PenguinDad Channel domination!
18:05 Yepoleb yeah, world domination
18:05 john_minetest Exio4: World domination is closest.
18:05 john_minetest PenguinDad: Well, this is only the 1st step.
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18:05 john_minetest Channel domination, freenode domination, irc domination, internet domination, world domination.
18:06 john_minetest It's that easy.
18:06 Yepoleb perfect plan
18:06 * Exio4 shutdows  john_minetest's multivers
18:06 Exio4 e
18:06 PenguinDad Good plan! \o/
18:07 john_minetest And then, when we have the world domination, we can finally do the thing that we were steering to:
18:07 john_minetest playing tetris with blinkenlights on the windows on burj dubai.
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18:07 MarkTwain It works!
18:07 MarkTwain No leave function though
18:07 MarkTwain :)
18:08 Yepoleb can shaders be installed as a mod?
18:10 NekoGloopMkIII wazzup
18:12 MarkTwain If anyone is interested, i am testing my bot on #mtm
18:13 MarkTwain what command disconnects from irc?
18:14 Exio4 MarkTwain: nobody cares
18:14 MarkTwain Im not offering to tell you!
18:14 Exio4 Yepoleb: nope, shaders are "in" client/shaders/
18:14 MarkTwain I am asking !
18:14 Yepoleb thanks
18:14 Exio4 though you can't do much with them right now
18:15 Yepoleb why?
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18:22 Ego It seems Traxie is my only hope..  /cry /wrist
18:23 Calinou cry on your wrist
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18:24 Yepoleb Why can't you do mucht with the shaders?
18:24 MasterBot I am not a bot
18:24 MasterBot Just testing the nick
18:24 MasterBot So, how's life?
18:24 VanessaE shaders are still somewhat new
18:24 john_minetest !lynch MasterBot claims no bot
18:24 john_minetest ...
18:25 VanessaE so we don't have a lot of actual shader types yet
18:25 john_minetest played too much #wolfgame ...
18:25 Mati^1 and this is my new bunker http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ST63gwDs2o&amp;hd=1 Jurata polen ;D
18:25 VanessaE (just brighter tops/darker bottoms, the water height thing, and bumpmapping)
18:26 MarkTwain Who likes this format:
18:26 MarkTwain [ #minetest ] MarkTwain : Who likes this format:
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18:27 VanessaE for what?
18:27 VanessaE (what medium I mean)
18:27 Yepoleb how can i enable the water height thing?
18:27 * VanessaE puts a puppy on NekoGloopMkIII's head (the kitten generator's glitching out again)
18:27 VanessaE Yepoleb: just turn shaders on in the Settings menu
18:28 VanessaE or enable_shaders = true in minetest.conf
18:28 VanessaE (or = 2 if your minetest is not very recent)
18:28 Yepoleb what should it do?
18:28 NekoGloopMkIII That doesn't use shaders anymore, does it?
18:28 VanessaE it lowers the height of water source nodes by roughly 2 pixels
18:28 VanessaE (to look similar to MC)
18:29 Yepoleb the darker corners work, but the water doesn't
18:29 VanessaE darker corners?
18:30 Yepoleb the shadow in the corners
18:30 VanessaE oh
18:30 VanessaE (that's a shader?)
18:30 Yepoleb idk
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18:31 VanessaE hey Taoki.
18:31 Taoki hi
18:32 Taoki Yay for KDE update ^^
18:32 Yepoleb oh, it's not
18:32 VanessaE XFCE ftw
18:34 Yepoleb how can i check if the shaders are actually enabled?
18:34 VanessaE look in your minetest.conf
18:34 VanessaE it'll mention it, if they've ever been enabled/disabled before
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18:34 MasterBot hello
18:35 MasterBot Its me again
18:35 VanessaE hi
18:35 MasterBot Il go to #bots now, bye
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18:38 Yepoleb i'm using the minetest ppa, but when i start the game it says VER=0.4.7 BUILD_TYPE=Release
18:39 VanessaE ti always does
18:39 VanessaE it*
18:39 VanessaE git/nightly builds don't have a "special" version number.
18:40 VanessaE (and "release" is the normal setting regardless of when it was pulled)
18:43 Yepoleb i will build it myself and try if it works
18:43 VanessaE it's pretty easy to build, at least in linux
18:43 * NekoGloopMkIII sits in an office chair and spins around
18:43 Jordach \O/ http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=99891#p99891
18:43 * Jordach is happy
18:44 john_minetest lol
18:45 Yepoleb can i use -j 4 instead of -j2?
18:45 VanessaE use whatever value is appropriate to the number of cores you have
18:45 VanessaE if you have two, use -j3.  if you have four, use -j5, etc
18:46 Yepoleb why -j5 with 4 cores?
18:46 VanessaE because it ensures that all 4 cores are kept saturated through the entire build, or as much as possible anyway
18:47 Yepoleb i'm using -j 4 and it uses 100% on all cores
18:47 proller because io slower than core
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18:49 Jordach MinetestBot!
18:49 MinetestBot Jordach!
18:49 Jordach hai sweetie
18:51 Yepoleb the shaders don't work, although i enabled them
18:52 Exio4 how do you know they don't work?
18:52 VanessaE Yepoleb: what video card?
18:54 Yepoleb nvidia geforce 560ti with driver version 313.30
18:54 Exio4 i ask other time
18:54 Exio4 how do you know they don't work?
18:55 Yepoleb the water is still a full block
18:55 VanessaE what version of irrlicht?
18:56 Exio4 yathat is new_style_weate
18:56 Exio4 water
18:56 Exio4 (other option)
18:56 Exio4 that isn't managed by shaders anymore
18:56 Exio4 since 0.4.5 iirc?
18:57 Yepoleb irrlicht is version 1.7.3
18:57 VanessaE odd, it should be working.
18:57 Exio4 new_style_water = true in your minetest.conf
18:57 Exio4 VanessaE, Yepoleb, can you please remove me of your ignore list?
18:57 Exio4 :|
18:57 VanessaE I'm not ignoring you, Exio4
18:57 VanessaE I just missed that part
18:57 Exio4 good
18:58 VanessaE (I'm a little slow on the uptake lately)
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18:59 Yepoleb new_style_water works \o/
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19:02 thexyz http://forum.minetest.net/search.php?action=show_user_posts&amp;user_id=6664
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19:12 Yrol_Denjeah Greetings :o)
19:12 Jordach !rev Yrol_Denjeah
19:12 MinetestBot haejneD_lorY
19:13 Jordach nuthin useful
19:13 Jordach Yrol_Denjeah, your name looks reversed, which it isnt
19:13 PilzAdam sfan5, http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=99945#p99945 inb4 ragnar in full caps lock on -dev "CAN I HAZ OTHER NAME!"
19:13 Yrol_Denjeah oO
19:13 sfan5 PilzAdam: probably
19:13 Jordach lock it
19:13 Jordach best option
19:14 thexyz PilzAdam: i already asked c55
19:14 thexyz http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest-dev/2013-07-15#i_3199520
19:14 ehcneM he wants to change his name to something that can't be pronounced?
19:14 Jordach hey ehcneM
19:14 Jordach /nick menche
19:15 ehcneM (well, my name can't be really pronounced backwords either)
19:15 Jordach also: there is nothing wrong with mediafire; just adf.ly is wrong
19:15 ehcneM mediafire force-feeds you ads before letting you download
19:15 Jordach ehcneM, no
19:15 ehcneM you can't wget from mediafire
19:15 thexyz we should have a rule stating that all links should be wget-able
19:15 Jordach that's why i like adblock
19:15 Menche not having direct links is really annoying
19:15 Jordach thexyz, good bye to modders
19:15 thexyz bye
19:15 Jordach who've converted
19:16 * Menche waves
19:16 Jordach from that *other* game
19:16 thexyz are there any?
19:16 PilzAdam thexyz, +1 for that rule
19:16 Jordach thexyz, nope
19:16 Yrol_Denjeah Why are the worlds i delete from within the game not deleted?
19:16 Jordach but the only other file upload place that does wget-able crap is sfan5.dyndns.org:8080/uplaod
19:16 thexyz oh well, there will be mod database some day
19:16 Jordach upload*
19:16 Jordach sfan5.dyndns.org:8080/upload
19:17 thexyz github?
19:17 Menche github, dropbox, U1...
19:17 Jordach not many people know of U1, Dropbox isn't used with MC Modders
19:17 sfan5 Jordach: please use sfan5.duckdns.org, as my dyndns account could expire if I don't sign in
19:17 Jordach and surefire way of knowing that they probably dont have gittyhubby
19:18 sfan5 thexyz: then the noobs would ask "what is wget-able?????"
19:18 Jordach leave it as is; mediafire works for me
19:18 Menche and annoys everyone else
19:18 Jordach (not to mention you have tools like r-sync
19:18 Jordach )
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19:18 Yepoleb what is wget-able?????
19:18 thexyz sfan5: well we should reword it
19:19 PilzAdam thexyz, "wget should return 0"
19:19 Exio4 lol
19:19 PilzAdam then we get rid of all the noobs
19:19 thexyz we need mod database
19:19 Menche github (or another vcs host) is the definitive best way of distributing mods
19:19 thexyz PilzAdam: that'll teach them
19:19 Menche don't need to extract a stupid archive and updating is a single command
19:19 Yepoleb noo, dont get rid of the noobs
19:20 asdd444 If anyone has a black screen when ingame,on a Toshiba laptop with a Intel i3,switch all the options on.That worked,oddly enough.
19:20 Jordach asdd444, scale the window
19:20 Jordach should fix it
19:20 asdd444 No,i've already fixed it.I just mentioned how.
19:20 VanessaE thexyz: would you mind giving me the necessary privilege so I can move individual posts?
19:21 VanessaE http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=99918#p99918  -->  trash
19:21 Jordach we need a place called: hall of shame
19:21 Menche LOL
19:21 Jordach where trolling posts go
19:22 Menche thinks he needs a central account to join servers?
19:22 Yepoleb whats trolling?
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19:22 Menche it's not like there's a "connect" button when you don't have an account... oh wait there is...
19:22 Menche some people...
19:23 PilzAdam Yepoleb, what you are currently doing ;-)
19:23 Jordach Yepoleb, you just did it: blindly "knowing" a fact when you say it's wrong
19:24 Menche VanessaE: having a problem with pipeworks on my server
19:24 Yepoleb PilzAdam: i'm eating crisps
19:24 Menche 10:32:15: ERROR[main]: ERROR: An unhandled exception occurred: ServerError: LuaError: error: /home/menche/.minetest/mods/pipeworks/item_transport.lua:62: attempt to index a nil value
19:24 VanessaE whats the problem?
19:24 VanessaE ah
19:24 Menche it crashes with that message whenever a certain player logs in
19:24 Yrol_Denjeah Jordach, no, thats called parenting...
19:24 thexyz VanessaE: moderators already have all possible permissions enabled
19:25 Jordach VanessaE, bad post -> trashcan
19:25 asdd444 ...Ok,turns out that the black screen i had was actually because i was stuck in a tree,and Fancy Trees fixed it.
19:25 Jordach asdd444, D:
19:25 Yepoleb Jordach: don't put VanessaE into the trashcan!
19:25 VanessaE thexyz: I've never seen any option to move posts.
19:25 VanessaE (just whole threads)
19:26 Menche and has anyone figured out how to delete polls?
19:26 Menche *yet*
19:26 thexyz VanessaE: well, you click "moderate topic", then select posts, then click "Delete whole topic"
19:26 thexyz uh, i mean move selected posts
19:26 thexyz this shit is unselectable
19:27 PilzAdam someone booted with --verbose today: http://forum.minetest.net/search.php?action=show_user_posts&amp;user_id=5858
19:27 VanessaE thexyz: OH!
19:27 VanessaE I've never clicked that option
19:27 thexyz woo
19:27 VanessaE Menche: I think I see the problem, lemme see if I can fix it
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19:29 Jordach http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=99954#p99954
19:29 Jordach :P
19:29 Jordach hey Calinou
19:29 Calinou hi
19:29 VanessaE Menche: try this at line 62:  http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5878507/
19:30 VanessaE make that change, sign in as the affected user, and tell me if that fixed it
19:30 Calinou 99954! soon to have a PID 100000 post
19:30 VanessaE somehow you've got an unknown pipeworks-related node in there
19:31 hdastwb autocrafters seemed to not have any textures…
19:31 VanessaE Menche: or try this if that doesn't work:  http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5878510/
19:32 VanessaE I'm still new at using that particular call
19:33 kahrl When I tested the node definition vector commit, I had a mod that registered thousands of nodes
19:33 kahrl Which got me wondering again how the long item visual preload time that stems from that could possibly be reduced
19:33 VanessaE Menche: or if that second one doesn't work, try this third one:  http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5878520/
19:33 Menche unfortunately, i decided to do a /clearobjects a few minutes ago, so i'll have to wait a bit before being able to test that :P
19:34 VanessaE Menche: that won't have any effect
19:34 Menche it takes a while on my server; at least it doesn't crash anymore
19:34 VanessaE but ok
19:34 VanessaE try all three, one at a time
19:34 sokomine kahrl: by disabling preload_items_visual. it helped me a lot when i disabled that option. before, it took ages to connect to a world. now it's pretty fast again
19:34 Jordach 99960 Calinou
19:34 Menche there were a lot of duplicated entities littered around
19:34 kahrl sokomine: I know about that option, but it just moves the time to in-game
19:34 Menche it needed to have that done
19:35 VanessaE kahrl: the main time hog is how the extrude routine switches between opaque and transparent pixels - the closer you are to 50% of the pixels being transparent (not I don't mean 50% alpha), the longer it takes.
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19:35 kahrl sokomine: which could be very not cool if such a frametime spike happens to happen when you get attacked by a horde mobs
19:35 sokomine menches server suffers from too many objects (as do many current servers :-(). redcrabs to my knowledge does not seem to be affected, so it was probably introduced in one of the newer versions
19:35 kahrl VanessaE: well, in the case I tested, the extrude routine was not called at all
19:35 VanessaE oh?
19:36 kahrl VanessaE: remember, these were all nodes (drawtype normal)
19:36 VanessaE kahrl: oh cubes, ok.
19:36 kahrl so, my first idea was to simply use createCubeMesh instead of the mesh generator for NDT_NORMAL... minor benefit, but still very slow
19:36 VanessaE plants will do it (junglegrass and dry shrubs were the big ones when I was first making HDX)
19:36 Exio4 recode it in ASM kahrl
19:36 sokomine kahrl: no problem about moving the time to in-game. there are seldom many nodes used at one spot, and accessing your locked chest got so horribly slow on servers that the short time it takes to render these images plain simply does not matter
19:36 Jordach 99964 post id
19:37 Menche a view of the duplicated entites on my server in an unloaded block: http://imgur.com/jIOkjNB
19:37 Jordach oh crap, im over posting for once
19:37 Jordach dun dun durr
19:37 sokomine it has only an effect if you're using a craftguide. even then you might want to pause from time to time to actually look at the nodes presented. and real buildings stick to a much more limited amound of nodes
19:37 kahrl sokomine: maybe it's bearable, but I like the idea that the game has done all the heavy work before the game starts
19:38 kahrl and it would be nice if that entire part of the codebase could be optimized, in any case
19:38 VanessaE kahrl: what I don't understand is why we're even bothering to extrude or render to texture at all - why not extrude only when a wield item needs it, but display the real in-game objects otherwise?
19:38 sokomine kahrl: for that framerate drop, the item duplication bug (or whatever it is) is more than enough. the preload_items_visual delay is very mild by comparison :-)
19:38 sokomine but maybe that's just my experience because my machine and graphics card got slightly faster (not really much...)
19:39 Jordach breaking up fights: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=99965#p99965
19:39 Jordach i aint your friggin moderator
19:39 Jordach either hire me or dont
19:39 * Calinou hires Jordach as pony
19:39 Jordach mauvebic + onpon4 = flame war
19:39 VanessaE kahrl: that is to say, is render-to-texture even needed at all to display an object in the actual world, or is it just needed for the inventory et.al?
19:39 * Jordach runs for it
19:39 Jordach no noooo!
19:39 kahrl VanessaE: well, no using render-to-texture would be a nice way of doing it if it could be done
19:40 kahrl because I profiled all the parts of the code that were left
19:40 Calinou "or perhaps by selling programming services"
19:40 Calinou hurr durr
19:40 Exio4 optimize the 10%
19:40 Exio4 not the 90? :P
19:40 Calinou you need to sell them to companies that make closed source :P
19:40 kahrl every part took 0ms or 1ms, except one part that took 15ms-20ms
19:40 kahrl that part was rendering to the texture
19:40 sokomine kahrl: yes, optimizing that would be fine. until that's done, i've decided for myshelf that preload_items_visual off saves my nerves a lot
19:40 kahrl and it's just a 64x64 texture and a simple cube mesh
19:41 asdd444 ...I have a idea for a mod.I've been implementing it myself,but i wonder if it's actually worth implementing.If you want a link to the infomation,just tell me.
19:41 Exio4 kahrl: make it multithreaded
19:41 * Exio4 runs
19:41 Exio4 :P
19:42 sokomine asdd: what does the mod do?
19:42 * kahrl is too old and slow to catch Exio4 :P
19:42 Exio4 aw
19:42 Exio4 anyway, really
19:43 Exio4 wouldn't be possible to make that process "multithreaded"?
19:43 asdd444 It's a automatic mining system,but it only mines down,dosen't give items yet,
19:43 asdd444 and the materials used to craft it can be used to destroy the world.
19:43 Calinou inb4 making minetest into chromium
19:43 kahrl VanessaE: the question is if it's possible to set up irrlicht (z buffer, projection/world view matrix, lights, ...) properly during the GUI rendering
19:43 kahrl Exio4: not really, irrlicht expects you to do all rendering on the main thread
19:43 sokomine used to destroy the world? in the way of a pick, lava, or crash the server?
19:43 kahrl afaik
19:44 Exio4 kahrl: damn
19:44 asdd444 Sokomine,it spreads about and eats everything.It's called "Decay" in my document: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/21184720/NOTES.txt
19:44 kahrl well, another option would be to not use irrlicht's render-to-texture to make images of cubes, but use our own software rendering code
19:45 Exio4 but
19:45 VanessaE kahrl: well surely it's "possible"
19:45 Exio4 how fast is it?
19:45 sokomine ah, ok. best introduce it in modding general then, asdd. there may be players who like it
19:45 VanessaE nearly anything is, it's more a matter of how much work it'll take
19:45 kahrl if we were using plain opengl it'd be trivial
19:46 kahrl maybe it's trivial with irrlicht too, but I don't know
19:46 asdd444 Sokomine,of course,the world-destroying thing may make the kind of people who blow up their own(and other peoples) houses on minecraft happy...uhoh.
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19:49 asdd444 ...I've already implemented a sort-of working prototype of the mod,if anyone wants it.
19:49 sokomine as long as it requires server owners to install your mod it ought to be ok? it would'nt get installed on a building server i think. perhaps more in singleplayer worlds for players who feel in a mood to destroy anything. unless you have found a bug that threatens all worlds?
19:50 asdd444 Nope.It's not a bug,either.It requires the server owner to install it,on their server,and then someone has to be stupid enough to place a block labeled "Decay".And it dosen't do anything when
19:50 asdd444 unloaded.
19:51 Menche there's no way for a client mod to do anything on a server. Only server mods matter.
19:53 asdd444 Here's a mod targeted for single player people who want to either watch the world be destroyed,or simply make small holes.Depends what items you use: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/21184720/testevil.7z
19:53 sokomine well, then the mod ought to be ok. just tell people not to install it on servers where people built
19:53 asdd444 ...Yes,i very strongly recommend that...
19:53 VanessaE Menche: any chance you could kill/restart your server and try one of those three patches?  I expect the third one is the right way.
19:54 asdd444 Also,the label of that file,the NOTES.txt file within it...I think that no-one's going to accidently install it and wreck their server.
19:54 VanessaE I'd like to push this to pipeworks git if it solves the issue.
19:55 PilzAdam Jordach, see what I did there? http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=6573
19:55 Menche VanessaE: is that in addition to or in place of the if statement there?
19:55 VanessaE in place of.
19:55 Jordach i see one spelling error
19:56 Jordach and bullshit about not having a life: i have a girlfriend
19:56 Jordach and it aint MinetestBot -- despite what it seems
19:56 Jordach :P
19:56 Calinou haha
19:56 asdd444 Jorach instead of Jordach?
19:56 Calinou 3000 posts? never noticed
19:56 * Jordach is also at legal age
19:56 Menche !sfu Jordach
19:56 MinetestBot Jordach Member 3,253 posts, registered on 2011-10-03 | id: 332
19:57 Calinou !sfu Calinou
19:57 MinetestBot Calinou Moderator 2,025 posts, registered on 2011-08-01 | id: 194
19:57 Jordach !sfu PilzAdam
19:57 MinetestBot PilzAdam Developer 2,951 posts, registered on 2012-07-20 | id: 2443
19:57 Menche !sfu Menche
19:57 Calinou reached 2000 recently :D
19:57 MinetestBot Menche Member 915 posts, registered on 2011-07-02 | id: 153
19:57 Menche :(
19:57 PilzAdam ShadowBot, OP MinetestBot
19:57 Calinou TIL Menche beats me at registration date
19:57 * Menche is not very chatty
19:57 asdd444 Since you seem to be having fun saying Sfu,i'll say !nyan Nyan! Nya!
19:57 PilzAdam MinetestBot!
19:57 MinetestBot PilzAdam!
19:57 * Jordach hopes !op works
19:57 Jordach !op
19:57 Jordach dammit MinetestBot
19:58 MinetestBot Jordach: nope.avi
19:58 Jordach shush PilzAdam in disguise
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19:58 asdd444 What,does the @ mean it's in disguise?
19:59 Jordach the @ symbol means they can control the channel's configurations
19:59 Jordach such as who can mute a person, etc
19:59 Jordach remove a person from the chat
19:59 Jordach etc..
19:59 RealBadAngel or simply kick someone in the ass ;)
19:59 Jordach RealBadAngel, for once i can say your code is better than sapier's
20:00 asdd444 Just thinking,because Minetestbot sounded like a bot without the @,and then it didn't when it had the conversation with PilzAdam.
20:00 * MinetestBot kicks RealBadAngel
20:00 RealBadAngel hehe, Jordach, which one?
20:00 Jordach he fucked up formspecs
20:00 Jordach you didnt
20:00 MinetestBot I'm a good bot, I can pass the Turing test!
20:00 Jordach (anyone using master wont work with the stable.)
20:00 Jordach MinetestBot, bullshit sweetie
20:00 asdd444 Haha,who's pretending to be MinetestBot.
20:00 Jordach PilzAdam is
20:00 MinetestBot Jordach: no u
20:01 Jordach see
20:01 asdd444 You are a bad bot.Naughty bot! Bad,bad,bot!
20:01 Jordach MinetestBot has some secret commands to allow her to talk as a normal person
20:01 asdd444 was kicked by MinetestBot: NO!
20:01 * Jordach claps
20:01 Menche MinetestBot has a temper too
20:01 * Calinou clops
20:01 * Jordach claps
20:01 * Menche ducks
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20:02 PilzAdam Calinou, /)(\
20:02 Jordach ow bitch
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20:02 Calinou bro hoof :D
20:02 Jordach smashed my hand!!
20:02 PilzAdam Calinou, clopping
20:02 asdd444 ...I'm sure MinetestBot didn't do that by itself.
20:02 PilzAdam asdd444, the @ means you can do that
20:02 Calinou lol
20:02 * Calinou is playing #wolfgame
20:02 asdd444 Yes,Pilzadam,but i think it's not really the bot speaking when it has the @.
20:03 Exio4 MlnetestBot
20:03 Yrol_Denjeah oO
20:03 Calinou my little NekoGloop test Bot
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20:06 Calinou a wild Naked joins
20:06 * PilzAdam shoots it
20:06 Naked o/
20:07 NekoGloopMkII meow
20:07 Calinou Naked, /)
20:08 asdd444 Pilzadam,that's a bit mean.Anyway,a wild Asdd444 appeared,and used Give You A Present That Acts As A Shield For Naked.Why? I don't know,it seemed like a good idea at the time.
20:08 NekoGloopMkII Hey, dude, use spacing on your punctuation.
20:09 Exio4 i'm seriously thinking asdd444 is a random troll
20:09 Naked yes he uses capital letters for all words
20:09 Naked trolls do that
20:10 Exio4 or at least a very annoying guy
20:10 Exio4 that is :>
20:10 Calinou by that logic, micheal larabel is a troll
20:10 Calinou :-)
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20:11 pehjota Calinou: You mean he isn't? </troll> :)
20:11 asdd444 I could tell you why that is actually more correct than no caps on the move name, but that might annoy you more.
20:12 pehjota Yeah, Pikachu uses Thunderbolt, not thunderbolt.
20:12 VanessaE Menche: *poke*
20:14 asdd444 Ok, as for the multiple word issue, Dragon Rage is capitalized the way I just said it.
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20:15 NekoGloopMkII Ironic that I'm making a Fire Red rom hack atm
20:15 Menche VanessaE: trying to find where he was
20:16 Menche for some reason his current location is above the cloud layer
20:17 hdastwb carl?
20:17 Menche yeah
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20:17 Menche hdastwb: you said you had unknown items in your inventory?
20:18 hdastwb yes, about 30 of them
20:18 asdd444 Ok...2 NekoGloops.
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20:18 NekoGloopMkIII ignore my shitty connection to freenode
20:18 hdastwb I don't remember what I put there…
20:19 Menche you have 27 of pipeworks:sand_tube_000000
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20:19 Menche 48 of farming_weed, 32 default:steel_ingot
20:19 Menche don't see anything strange with about 30 items
20:20 hdastwb hmm; I moved them around a bit; the server was lagging pretty badly, so they might be in separate stacks…
20:20 Menche yeah you have 2 stacks of sand tubes
20:20 hdastwb I'm trying to sign back in and get another look at it, but I'm not connecting
20:21 hdastwb there we go
20:22 Menche aaand it's using up full cpu again
20:22 * Menche 's server is somewhat ill
20:22 hdastwb should I stop trying to connect?
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20:28 Calinou night
20:28 Yepoleb night
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20:33 VanessaE Menche: well when you find the right spot, let me know
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20:48 * NekoGloopMkIII puts a kitten on VanessaE's head
20:49 * VanessaE puts the kitten in OldCoder's pile.
20:51 bas080 I don't get the Schematic type parameters for the register decorations function. How does the schematic = table work?
20:51 bas080 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L2139
20:53 bas080 schematic = {
20:53 bas080 size = {x=4, y=6, z=4}, --what is size?
20:53 bas080 data = {
20:53 bas080 {name="cobble", param1=0, param2=0},
20:53 bas080 {name="dirt_with_grass", param1=0, param2=0},
20:53 bas080 ...
20:53 bas080 } --what what is parm1 and param2?
20:53 bas080 was kicked by ShadowBot: Message flood detected.
20:53 Menche lol
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20:55 Menche bas080: use pastebin.com or similar for that
20:55 bas080 sorry for that. i should have expected.
20:55 bas080 Thnx Menche
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20:59 bas080 http://pastebin.com/wW4rrxeb
20:59 bas080 that should explain what i was wondering
21:00 * NekoGloop eats a cookei
21:00 OldCoder Hi!
21:01 NekoGloop wassup
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21:13 GNADev|zRokh aye doods!
21:14 GNADev|zRokh Its me, SteveWarfare aka Ragnar :D
21:14 VanessaE GNADev?
21:14 VanessaE wtf?
21:14 GNADev|zRokh yes
21:14 GNADev|zRokh :D
21:14 Menche 4 different usernames?
21:14 GNADev|zRokh more then that!
21:15 GNADev|zRokh 6 maybe...
21:15 VanessaE pick a name damn it
21:15 GNADev|zRokh i dont remember
21:15 GNADev|zRokh :D
21:15 GNADev|zRokh Knock knock. Who there. Potato. Oooh, opens door. Is secret police.
21:15 Exio4 VanessaE: he will get bored of this in two years
21:15 Exio4 when he reads the logs and says
21:16 Exio4 HOW THE FUCK I WAS THAT IDIOT AND ANNOYING GODDAMNIT
21:16 Exio4 that will happen if he gets a brain later ^
21:16 GNADev|zRokh if i dont have a brain how did i learn English at the age of 6?
21:16 GNADev|zRokh in Kindergarden...
21:16 * Menche learned English earlier...
21:16 GNADev|zRokh and i know why kindergarden is called what it is
21:17 GNADev|zRokh Kinder == Children in German
21:17 Exio4 OH MAN, THAT IS AMAZING
21:17 * Menche totally didn't know that </sarcasm>
21:17 GNADev|zRokh AND im also NOT brittish/american!
21:17 VanessaE explain the GNA part.  Now.
21:17 Menche wooo
21:17 GNADev|zRokh Gaming + DNA
21:17 GNADev|zRokh Dev as in Developement Team :D
21:17 VanessaE ok
21:18 GNADev|zRokh remember Artur99?
21:18 Exio4 GNADev|zRokh: how many languages do you speak?
21:18 GNADev|zRokh yeah...
21:18 Menche gaming nucleic acid?
21:18 Exio4 :>
21:18 Exio4 i speak about 6
21:18 GNADev|zRokh 4
21:18 GNADev|zRokh no, 5!
21:18 GNADev|zRokh English, Estonian, Russian, Python and Java
21:18 GNADev|zRokh .-.
21:19 Menche you can have a conversation in Java?
21:19 GNADev|zRokh yes
21:19 GNADev|zRokh .-.
21:19 Exio4 Menche: that would suck
21:19 Exio4 40 lines per message
21:19 NekoGloop I hear the Java natives are very tempermental
21:19 GNADev|zRokh false;
21:19 Exio4 then you don't speak java pretty well
21:19 GNADev|zRokh false;
21:20 Exio4 GNADev|zRokh: do you know what what imperative programming is?
21:20 NekoGloop this is how you speak java, just return false
21:20 Menche public static void main()
21:20 Exio4 inb4 wikipedia
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21:20 NekoGloop s/what//
21:20 Menche void main() == BAD
21:20 Exio4 you're using google now GNADev|zRokh, no?
21:20 Exio4 NekoGloop: lol, didn't see that error
21:20 GNADev|zRokh false;
21:21 Exio4 do you have a brain?
21:21 Exio4 :>
21:21 GNADev|zRokh true;
21:21 NekoGloop Oh, hold on
21:21 NekoGloop I think his program has a bug
21:21 NekoGloop Shouldn't have returned true there.
21:21 Exio4 NekoGloop: I see
21:21 * Menche doesn't believe that "false;" by itself is a valid statement
21:21 NekoGloop It isn't :P
21:21 Menche GNADev|zRokh fails
21:22 * Kacey is going to make a "what's inside the cube?" map
21:22 * Exio4 recodes GNADev|zRokh in Haskell
21:22 GNADev|zRokh want me to make a little program in Java?
21:22 GNADev|zRokh as fast as i can?
21:22 Exio4 make a program that will show a pyramid like:
21:22 Exio4 *
21:22 Exio4 **
21:22 GNADev|zRokh with 1 java file
21:22 Exio4 ***
21:22 Exio4 do it in 30 minutes or less
21:22 GNADev|zRokh OK!
21:22 GNADev|zRokh *challenge accepted*
21:23 * Menche goes to do it in plain C
21:23 Exio4 that is a stupid meme
21:23 NekoGloop 29 minutes.
21:23 Exio4 NekoGloop: you'll be my clock, k?
21:23 GNADev|zRokh wait...stop the countdown...
21:23 Exio4 Menche: ASM is the way to go
21:23 GNADev|zRokh do you want the source code or the .jar file?
21:23 GNADev|zRokh .-.
21:23 Exio4 source code
21:23 GNADev|zRokh ok!
21:23 NekoGloop Exio4, nah
21:23 GNADev|zRokh restart countdown!
21:23 Exio4 [18:23:40] <GNADev|zRokh> restart countdown!
21:23 Exio4 you see the time
21:23 GNADev|zRokh yes
21:24 Exio4 for the 18:53:40 i want it, can be before though ;)
21:24 GNADev|zRokh it shall be done before 18:54
21:24 Exio4 it needs to be dynamic btw
21:24 Exio4 not just print * then ** and then ***
21:25 GNADev|zRokh can i only use native libraries or can i import my own?
21:25 VanessaE guys, what's the format() call supposed to do?
21:25 GNADev|zRokh .-.
21:25 VanessaE it's not documented in the API (or I don't see it anyways)
21:25 GNADev|zRokh format maybe?
21:25 NekoGloop it makes a pie
21:25 Exio4 GNADev|zRokh: it is two nested for(s) + print
21:25 Exio4 ...
21:26 * Menche doesn't know how you could use extra libraries for that
21:26 Exio4 &
21:26 Exio4 ^ *
21:27 GNADev|zRokh hey Exio and Menche, got AIM/Google Talk?
21:27 Menche no and no
21:27 GNADev|zRokh ok...
21:29 Exio4 nope
21:29 Exio4 k, in 3 minutes i coded it
21:29 Exio4 he left
21:29 Exio4 can i have a cookie at least
21:29 Menche lol
21:29 * Menche has almost coded it (in C)
21:29 Exio4 same
21:30 Exio4 coded it
21:30 Exio4 uploading code
21:30 VanessaE I wonder if kaeza meant to use string.format here...
21:30 Exio4 http://cadoth.net/~exio4/c/pyramid.c
21:31 VanessaE def.description = S("%s (Locked)"):format(def.description)
21:31 Exio4 Menche: ^^
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21:35 Exio4 does anyone know where is him right now? :>
21:36 VanessaE oh wait, I see what he did.
21:36 * VanessaE reads...
21:38 Exio4 Menche: what algorithm would have you used?
21:38 Menche still figuring it out...
21:38 Exio4 kk
21:38 Exio4 that is funny part about programming, 15 minutes thinking the algorithm, 15 seconds coding it
21:39 Menche yeah
21:39 kahrl some math for a software implementation of ^[inventorycube: http://paste.dy.fi/Be5
21:41 hdastwb for i = 1,c do print(string.rep('*', i)) end?
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21:42 Exio4 hdastwb: a good one :P
21:42 Exio4 kahrl: it is ok if i don't understand anything there? :D
21:43 kahrl Exio4: absolutely :D
21:43 Exio4 good!
21:48 Menche Exio4: http://pastebin.com/yrfn7rrT
21:49 hdastwb hold on: function (size) for i = 1, size do print(('*'):rep(i)) end end
21:50 Exio4 Menche: mine isn't that cute but simpler :P
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21:51 Menche now where's that GNA guy
21:51 Exio4 no idea
21:51 hdastwb java
21:51 * Menche wonders if he's using any external libraries
21:53 * hdastwb thinks he's still trying to figure out his object hierarchy…
21:53 Menche LOL
21:53 Exio4 hdastwb is right :>
21:53 Exio4 he is making the UML diagram for it
21:53 Menche the unit testing is taking a while
21:54 Exio4 XD
21:55 Exio4 i'm still thinking an algorithm with recursion using a single function and without for(s) though
21:55 Menche yeah, thought of that
21:55 Menche :q
21:55 Menche oops, wrong window
21:55 Menche :P
21:55 Exio4 lol
21:55 Menche guess what editor i'm using?
21:55 Exio4 emacs!
21:56 Exio4 >:D
21:56 pehjota Fellow Vim user. ^^ :)
21:56 * Menche shoots Exio4
21:56 Exio4 haha
21:57 pehjota (Or a user of some other vi implementation.)
21:57 Menche yeah, it's vim
21:59 pehjota Menche: I use BusyBox vi once in a while.  ":q" is a feature of any standard vi. ;)
21:59 Menche Exio4: when I run yours, i get this: http://pastebin.com/gFG24Ee3
22:00 Exio4 it is the correct behavior of it
22:00 Menche perhaps i misunderstood what i was supposed to do
22:00 Exio4 i didn't say it should be cute! :P
22:00 Menche lol
22:00 Exio4 i wrote what it should return here
22:00 * Menche wonders what GNA guy is doing
22:01 * Menche thinks he isn't actually doing it
22:01 Exio4 [18:22:31] <Exio4> *
22:01 Exio4 [18:22:32] <Exio4> **
22:01 Exio4 [18:22:35] <Exio4> ***
22:01 Exio4 he is watching a how-to-craft-diamond-blocks-on-mc video in youtube right now
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22:05 Menche Exio, a simpler one that does what you said: http://pastebin.com/gaupLYr6
22:07 Exio4 hehe
22:07 Menche (i wasn't copying your for loop, i just noticed it's the same)
22:07 Exio4 there aren't much ways to do it with for loops
22:08 Exio4 the code would end being somewhat similar
22:08 Exio4 mine is different though
22:08 Menche only difference is, yours is in a function and is called several times
22:08 Exio4 nope
22:09 Exio4 check for the "for-variable" in the nested for, you count from 1 to "i"
22:09 Menche and i initialize my loop to 1 and use <=
22:09 Exio4 i count from i to 0
22:09 Menche ah, right
22:09 Exio4 it ends in the same though
22:09 Exio4 :P
22:11 hdastwb I think C++ makes things easier: void pyr(int size) {for (int i = 1; i <= size; ++i) cout << string(i, '*') << endl;}
22:11 kahrl I made a java solution! http://codepad.org/XkitNLv4
22:11 Menche wow
22:12 Menche "class ConcretePyramidVisitorFactory extends AbstractPyramidVisitorFactory"
22:12 Menche ^ lol
22:12 Exio4 hahahah
22:12 Exio4 hahahahahahaha
22:12 Menche gaaaah that was my brain ouch
22:12 PilzAdam hey! dont hate on java!
22:13 PilzAdam you can do the same in c++
22:13 Exio4 XD
22:13 PilzAdam (the abstraction and stuff)
22:13 Exio4 man, i'm crying, i can't stop laughing
22:13 Exio4 the design pattern PilzAdam
22:14 Menche does "AbstractPyramidVisitorFactory" do anything?
22:14 hdastwb of course not; it's abstract!
22:15 Exio4 I recommend you https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Design_Patterns_%28book%29
22:16 * NekoGloop throws cookies around
22:17 Exio4 http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/2013-07-15#i_3200027 this, ended with http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/2013-07-15#i_3200158
22:19 Menche and the guy who started it left
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22:20 Exio4 at least is was a funny moment
22:20 Exio4 GNADev|zRokh: your work took a bit
22:21 GNADev|zRokh sorry, my pc crashed
22:21 Exio4 where is the code
22:21 GNADev|zRokh where do i upload it?
22:21 Exio4 pastebin.com
22:21 GNADev|zRokh ok
22:21 Exio4 inb4 kahrl's code
22:21 GNADev|zRokh what?
22:21 Exio4 nothin' man ;)
22:21 Menche http://codepad.org/XkitNLv4
22:22 Exio4 GNADev|zRokh: ping?
22:23 GNADev|zRokh its opening up...wait a sec please
22:23 GNADev|zRokh my pc isnt fast you know right?
22:23 GNADev|zRokh 450MB of ram and 8GB of storage...
22:24 Exio4 that is enough for codin' and sharin'
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22:25 GNADev|zRokh well im running also Windows XP with SP 2 and more then 60% of my storage is full...
22:25 GNADev|zRokh so it lags...
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22:25 Exio4 GNADev|zRokh: the time you use for writing that is time that could be used in uploading the code
22:25 john_minetest Hi Ragnar.
22:25 Exio4 and what matters is not the pc as the network does ;)
22:25 GNADev|zRokh aye dood
22:26 GNADev|zRokh i download at 500kb-900kb/sec
22:26 GNADev|zRokh so no, it isnt that much
22:26 Exio4 my download is about 25 times slower than that, at least
22:27 Exio4 if you meant kbit/s, only 3~ times
22:27 Exio4 GNADev|zRokh: now, can i see your code?
22:27 GNADev|zRokh its uploading...
22:27 GNADev|zRokh getting link
22:27 GNADev|zRokh http://pastebin.com/WJAWeidT
22:27 GNADev|zRokh there you go .-.
22:28 Exio4 wow...
22:28 GNADev|zRokh what?
22:28 Exio4 GNADev|zRokh: do you have a C compiler?
22:28 GNADev|zRokh nope...
22:28 GNADev|zRokh why?
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22:29 GNADev|zRokh oh, for that...wait
22:29 Menche you made it graphical?
22:29 Exio4 and it isn't dynamic or so
22:29 GNADev|zRokh yes
22:29 Exio4 it just shows pre-made strings Menche
22:29 GNADev|zRokh so?!
22:29 Menche yeah
22:29 Exio4 i said it needs to be dynamic
22:29 GNADev|zRokh i didnt see that...
22:29 PilzAdam GNADev|zRokh, ever heard of "public static void main(String[] args)"?
22:29 GNADev|zRokh i used JFrame
22:29 Exio4 [18:24:17] <Exio4> it needs to be dynamic btw
22:29 Exio4 [18:24:26] <Exio4> not just print * then ** and then ***
22:30 * Menche 's version: http://pastebin.com/gaupLYr6
22:30 GNADev|zRokh wasnt i gone by then?
22:30 Exio4 no, do i need to search logs?
22:30 john_minetest I always use int main (argv*, argvc[])
22:30 john_minetest or something like that
22:30 GNADev|zRokh i was gone by that!
22:30 Exio4 http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/2013-07-15#i_3200055
22:31 Menche int main(int argc, char** argv)
22:31 PilzAdam Exio4, I could do that in gasm, I think
22:31 Exio4 GNADev|zRokh: you weren't, here
22:31 GNADev|zRokh i told you!
22:31 Menche the arguments to main are only if you need to pass arguments to the program
22:31 GNADev|zRokh so it doenst count!
22:31 Exio4 PilzAdam: i could do it in... wait for it... perl!
22:31 PilzAdam lol perl
22:31 Exio4 i would make a regex for it!
22:32 Exio4 nah, outside joke, perl is a good language if you need to do heavy string parsing :P
22:32 Exio4 and is pretty easy
22:32 PilzAdam never used it
22:32 GNADev|zRokh me neither...
22:32 Menche now, make it in Lua and have it make the pyramid in minetest nodes
22:32 Exio4 you may end with this http://xkcd.com/1171/
22:32 GNADev|zRokh PLEASE tell me more </sarcasm>
22:32 Exio4 Menche: lol'd
22:33 * Menche may actually do that just cause
22:33 Exio4 ... or ... https://xkcd.com/208/
22:35 Exio4 anyway GNADev|zRokh
22:35 GNADev|zRokh hey Menche
22:36 Exio4 you didn't do what i said ...
22:36 GNADev|zRokh ./file.c:7 identifier expected
22:36 GNADev|zRokh cause i didnt know
22:36 GNADev|zRokh :D
22:36 Exio4 wat
22:36 GNADev|zRokh i compiled it and it returned an error :D
22:36 Exio4 GNADev|zRokh: compile it with gcc
22:36 GNADev|zRokh im on windows...
22:36 kahrl it's C99
22:36 Exio4 msys/mingw
22:36 Exio4 ah
22:36 Exio4 use my code then
22:36 GNADev|zRokh i compiled with TCC
22:37 Exio4 http://cadoth.net/~exio4/c/pyramid.c
22:37 GNADev|zRokh Tiny C Compiler
22:37 GNADev|zRokh ok
22:37 Exio4 i know
22:37 Exio4 never used it on windows though
22:37 GNADev|zRokh k
22:37 Exio4 i normally use gcc + uclibc now (for small binaries / limited systems / etc) as gcc has more 'optimizations' :P
22:38 * Menche uses clang
22:38 kahrl thought tcc = Turbo C Compiler
22:38 Exio4 we are not that old kahrl!
22:38 * Exio4 rewrites minetest in turbo pascal
22:38 hdastwb I hope I'm not too late; here's a basic UneFunge version: 50p01p0>'*,:1g\`3j9+1_$a,01g1+:1p0g\`3j+ff_@
22:39 Exio4 hmm
22:39 VanessaE Menche: any luck?
22:39 Exio4 is that gziped brainfuck? :>
22:39 VanessaE Exio4: probably perl ;)
22:40 Exio4 s/VanessaE.*//
22:40 GNADev|zRokh Exio, theres just one problem...
22:40 Exio4 what?
22:40 VanessaE :P
22:40 GNADev|zRokh you forgot to pause the program after it prints it all :D
22:40 Exio4 ehm, no?
22:40 Exio4 it works as excepted
22:40 GNADev|zRokh ugh, yes!
22:40 GNADev|zRokh ugh, no!
22:40 Menche you only have to do that if you start it from an IDE
22:41 hdastwb or by clicking
22:41 Menche if you start it the *real* way you don't have to pause
22:41 Exio4 ah
22:41 Exio4 i got what he meant
22:41 GNADev|zRokh yeah...
22:41 Menche hdastwb: yeah that too
22:41 GNADev|zRokh exactly!
22:41 Menche start it the *real* way
22:41 Exio4 open the code and run the binary
22:41 GNADev|zRokh define *real*
22:41 Exio4 open the code and run the binary
22:41 Menche run from a terminal
22:41 Exio4 err, cmd
22:41 GNADev|zRokh i did
22:41 Exio4 no idea why i write code
22:41 GNADev|zRokh thats how i got it to work
22:42 Exio4 GNADev|zRokh: tcc -o pyramid pyramid.c
22:42 Exio4 GNADev|zRokh: tcc -o pyramid.exe pyramid.c // sry
22:42 Menche actually *start* it from in the terminal
22:42 Exio4 .\pyramid.exe
22:42 GNADev|zRokh it output file.exe
22:42 Exio4 .\file.exe
22:42 GNADev|zRokh cause the c was file.c
22:42 GNADev|zRokh i know
22:42 GNADev|zRokh i made a bat file
22:42 GNADev|zRokh @echo off
22:42 Exio4 .
22:42 GNADev|zRokh file
22:42 GNADev|zRokh pause
22:42 GNADev|zRokh thats it...
22:42 Exio4 gj
22:42 GNADev|zRokh ikr :D
22:43 Menche you don't start text programs by clicking on them!!!
22:43 GNADev|zRokh still :D
22:43 GNADev|zRokh lets do another one
22:43 GNADev|zRokh i call dibs on Python3
22:43 GNADev|zRokh :D
22:43 GNADev|zRokh Exio4 set the game rules!
22:44 GNADev|zRokh yo!
22:44 GNADev|zRokh o.O
22:44 Exio4 what
22:44 GNADev|zRokh lets do another one
22:44 Exio4 do you want other chall now?
22:44 arsdragonfly Exio4 on windows there's no need to specify the current directory
22:45 GNADev|zRokh i know
22:45 GNADev|zRokh but i did :D
22:45 GNADev|zRokh ./file.c
22:45 Exio4 arsdragonfly: didn't know that
22:45 GNADev|zRokh now Exio4, lets do another one and you set the game rules and the objective
22:45 arsdragonfly even simply    file    works
22:45 GNADev|zRokh not when compiling...
22:45 GNADev|zRokh tcc file.c
22:46 GNADev|zRokh not tcc file
22:46 GNADev|zRokh >.<
22:46 GNADev|zRokh Exio4, yo, set them!
22:46 Exio4 well, i'm trying to think something that isn't very hard
22:46 GNADev|zRokh and set the time limit
22:46 GNADev|zRokh :D
22:46 Exio4 Menche: it is your turn
22:46 GNADev|zRokh true
22:46 Menche ?
22:47 GNADev|zRokh lets do another one Menche
22:47 Exio4 define something that is easy but isn't the hello world
22:47 GNADev|zRokh :D
22:47 GNADev|zRokh lets do the Good Bye World :D
22:47 GNADev|zRokh idk what that is xD
22:47 Menche VanessaE: I've been loading blocks that may have had the problem device and it hasn't crashed
22:47 VanessaE ok cool
22:47 Menche I'm not sure i have the location right
22:48 Menche I'll have to ask the player in question to be sure
22:48 ShadowNinja Count down from 100.
22:48 GNADev|zRokh FFUUUUU!!
22:48 VanessaE well, let me know.  in the meantime I'll push that change to git.
22:48 hdastwb int main() {cout << "good bye world!" << endl; delete &cout; return -1;}
22:48 VanessaE (I can always revert if it doesn't work)
22:48 GNADev|zRokh oh a countdown :D
22:48 GNADev|zRokh easy@
22:48 GNADev|zRokh !
22:48 PilzAdam GNADev|zRokh, learn from it: http://pastebin.com/q9dag5MS
22:49 GNADev|zRokh i know how to do it
22:49 GNADev|zRokh i thought the time to do is was 100 seconds :D
22:49 VanessaE Menche: any idea what the nodes were before?
22:49 PilzAdam Exio4, my entry to the competition: http://pastebin.com/q9dag5MS
22:49 Exio4 lol..
22:49 Exio4 unfairness
22:49 PilzAdam how?
22:50 PilzAdam it draws lots of little "*"
22:50 Exio4 haha
22:50 PilzAdam now do that in plain C pls
22:50 PilzAdam oh
22:50 PilzAdam I forgot
22:50 Menche what, that draw a triangle?
22:50 PilzAdam C doesnt have a graphics libary build in
22:50 hdastwb …because C's not bloated
22:51 Exio4 and is fast
22:51 kahrl PilzAdam: doesn't this violate the single thread rule? https://weblogs.java.net/blog/cayhorstmann/archive/2007/06/the_single_thre.html
22:51 PilzAdam maybe I should use awt, the SECOND graphics libary that is builtin in Java
22:51 PilzAdam Java 2; C 0
22:51 Exio4 C is a cute&portable ASM
22:51 Menche and neither integrate into the rest of a destkop environment
22:51 Menche *desktop
22:51 john_minetest python is a cute&portable&allmighty coding language.
22:52 Exio4 python isn't cute
22:52 hdastwb python is also slower than lua and javascript combined
22:52 Menche interpreted < compiled
22:52 Exio4 racket is cut
22:52 Exio4 +e
22:53 kahrl none of these programming languages are as cute as lolcode
22:53 Exio4 CAN I HAS STDIO?
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22:54 PilzAdam kahrl, no, I do all in the ctor of Main
22:54 GNADev|zRokh done...
22:54 GNADev|zRokh uploading
22:54 GNADev|zRokh Exio4: its with an X :D
22:55 Exio4 wat
22:55 Exio4 you're uploading what
22:55 GNADev|zRokh http://pastebin.com/RVB9CDeB
22:55 GNADev|zRokh the countdown :D
22:56 Exio4 lemme write it
22:56 GNADev|zRokh so what do you think?
22:56 PilzAdam Exio4, in GNU ASM pls
22:57 GNADev|zRokh PilzAdam try out the timer that i made for the mini-contest :D
22:57 GNADev|zRokh http://pastebin.com/RVB9CDeB
22:58 Menche simple: http://pastebin.com/TDDScPsm
22:58 NekoGloopMkII joined #minetest
22:58 NekoGloopMkII wassup
22:58 Exio4 http://cadoth.net/~exio4/c/countdown.c
22:58 GNADev|zRokh can i choose the competition this time?
22:58 Exio4 Menche: :<
22:58 Exio4 GNADev|zRokh: doit
22:58 hdastwb if event.type == 'interrupt' then digiline_send('lcd', event.iid); interrupt(1, event.iid - 1) else interrupt(1, 100) end
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22:59 hdastwb it doesn't stop, though. . .
22:59 Exio4 lol
22:59 DanDuncombe What is the current conversation about?
23:00 VanessaE DanDuncombe: don't ask
23:00 VanessaE it's all over the map :)
23:00 john_minetest http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uv5zKd1rqcM
23:00 Exio4 GNADev|zRokh: ?
23:00 GNADev|zRokh Exio4, Menche, your countdowns are [INVALID]
23:01 Exio4 ?
23:01 Menche ?
23:01 GNADev|zRokh in mine 1 = 1 second :D
23:01 GNADev|zRokh yours just speed through :D
23:01 hdastwb if event.type == 'interrupt' then digiline_send('lcd', event.iid); event.iid > 0 and interrupt(1, event.iid - 1) else interrupt(1, 100) end
23:01 Exio4 C is speed man!
23:01 GNADev|zRokh and Java is Crack :D
23:01 hdastwb that ought to work; still no testing, though
23:01 Menche C is faster than time
23:01 DanDuncombe Why is java so slow?
23:01 GNADev|zRokh but its still down in time
23:02 Exio4 GNADev|zRokh: nobody said we should add sleeps to that
23:02 GNADev|zRokh i know...
23:02 Exio4 i would make unix call though ;)
23:02 Menche but hey, add a system(sleep 1) and it'll be 1 second
23:02 GNADev|zRokh .-.
23:02 Menche of course, that may not work on windoze
23:02 Exio4 Menche: man 3 sleep :P
23:02 GNADev|zRokh :D
23:02 DanDuncombe :)
23:02 Exio4 CONFORMING TO
23:02 Exio4 POSIX.1-2001.
23:02 GNADev|zRokh hey its my turn to pick the challenge
23:02 GNADev|zRokh hmm...
23:03 Menche Exio4, ?
23:03 DanDuncombe what'll it be?
23:03 GNADev|zRokh thinking...
23:03 Exio4 you can actually use "sleep(1)" in C
23:03 Exio4 posix-C
23:03 kahrl use boost::this_thread::sleep
23:03 PilzAdam john_minetest, EH, MACARENA
23:03 Exio4 lmao
23:03 GNADev|zRokh :D
23:03 GNADev|zRokh ugh...
23:03 GNADev|zRokh how about a wget copy :D
23:03 Exio4 wget copy?
23:03 hdastwb karhrl: or std::this_thread if you're compiler isn't ancient
23:04 GNADev|zRokh a program that asks for a website and then downloads it :D
23:04 hdastwb well, this_thread::sleep_for
23:04 Menche way to misspell his name
23:04 john_minetest PilzAdam: http://xkcd.com/368/
23:04 Exio4 GNADev|zRokh: can i use curl?
23:04 GNADev|zRokh i call dibs on python3 :D
23:04 GNADev|zRokh sure, why not
23:04 Exio4 but how would you compile it though
23:04 GNADev|zRokh it just needs to be C based
23:04 GNADev|zRokh idk...
23:04 GNADev|zRokh wait no...
23:04 GNADev|zRokh retake...
23:05 GNADev|zRokh ugh, just a wget clone
23:05 GNADev|zRokh Exio4: what lang?
23:05 GNADev|zRokh will you use***
23:05 john_minetest PilzAdam: This one is the other song mentioned: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1xlehyLK5o
23:06 Exio4 thinking about SML, checking its api
23:06 DanDuncombe When was Minetest first made?
23:06 GNADev|zRokh well bye
23:06 GNADev|zRokh g2g
23:06 GNADev|zRokh moms home
23:06 Exio4 lol'd
23:06 Exio4 k
23:06 GNADev|zRokh party over doods, bye!
23:06 DanDuncombe by!
23:06 DanDuncombe I mean bye!
23:06 GNADev|zRokh ill be gone for 3 weeks so bye for a long time
23:06 arsdragonfly see u
23:06 DanDuncombe seeu
23:06 Exio4 maybe racket is the way to go
23:06 GNADev|zRokh same here bro!
23:06 DanDuncombe mm
23:06 GNADev|zRokh much luv doods!
23:06 hdastwb bye
23:06 * Exio4 rewrites GNADev|zRokh in racket
23:06 GNADev|zRokh bye
23:07 DanDuncombe g'bye!
23:07 Exio4 GNADev|zRokh: connect as soon you can man
23:07 GNADev|zRokh sure will biggums :D
23:07 GNADev|zRokh bye
23:07 DanDuncombe Nooo! he hath gonneth!
23:08 Menche the initial commit to celeron's bitbucket mercurial repository was 2010-11-26
23:08 DanDuncombe So... around 2 years ago?
23:08 PilzAdam Exio4, woffle?
23:08 PilzAdam john_minetest, ^ ?
23:08 arsdragonfly so how many months later than minecraft?
23:08 Menche it was around before though
23:09 Menche well, i think
23:10 john_minetest PilzAdam: In the xkcd song there is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1xlehyLK5o first and then macarena.
23:10 DanDuncombe Says on Wikipedia: 'It was publicly released for the PC on May 17, 2009' (Minecraft)
23:11 DanDuncombe So Minetest is around 1 year older than Minecraft I think
23:11 DanDuncombe I mean younger
23:11 Menche minetest had jungles before minecraft did
23:12 Menche mesecons had lightstone before redstone got it's alternative
23:12 PilzAdam minetest had per node textures before Minecraft did
23:12 Exio4 minetest got a lua api before minecr.. err, nvm
23:12 PilzAdam (as in seperated, not one atlas)
23:13 Menche mojang has been promising a mod api for a while
23:13 DanDuncombe Sorry to say this but Minecraft jungles are cooler than in Minetest
23:13 Exio4 since 1.3
23:13 PilzAdam theres a repo on github
23:13 PilzAdam /kick DanDuncombe
23:13 Exio4 did you see MT's dungeons though? ;)
23:13 DanDuncombe I'm just sayin
23:13 DanDuncombe Mt's dungeons are bigger
23:13 DanDuncombe Mc's jungles are cooler
23:14 PilzAdam MT has more fail mobs than MC
23:14 Exio4 and are really dungeons
23:14 Menche MT's dungeons are way more epic than MC's wimpy single rooms
23:14 Exio4 lol'd at that PilzAdam
23:14 Exio4 Menche: yeah
23:14 DanDuncombe Mc has great auto spawning structures (villages etc)
23:14 Menche the controls in minetest have always felt more responsive to me
23:14 DanDuncombe But Mt has Structures Mod
23:14 Exio4 that stuff is "added with mods"
23:14 hdastwb there was one version of mobf with houses…
23:14 Menche i think the minecraft player doesn't jump as high or is slower or something
23:15 DanDuncombe Menche You know you can configure sensitivity in Mc...
23:15 Menche minecraft's flying sucks
23:15 PilzAdam ^
23:15 Exio4 he doesn't mean that DanDuncombe
23:15 Exio4 and that too
23:15 DanDuncombe I think one version of Mobf had
23:15 Exio4 MT's movement system is pretty nice for me :P
23:15 DanDuncombe auto spawning trader huts
23:16 Exio4 i actually use e for running fast when playing MC
23:16 Menche having to double-tap jump is annoying, you don't have freemove, and the horrible physics makes controlling flying difficult, especially while going fast
23:16 Exio4 double-tap is configurable in MC
23:16 Exio4 errr
23:16 PilzAdam MT has realistic physics, while MC has something strange
23:16 Exio4 MT
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23:16 DanDuncombe Mobs are better in Mc though simply because they work well in java I guess
23:16 * PilzAdam looks at john_minetest
23:16 john_cephalopoda joined #minetest
23:16 * PilzAdam looks at john_cephalopoda
23:17 Naked realistic physics?
23:17 Menche a game like this doesn't need realistic physics
23:17 PilzAdam Naked, i.e. gravity
23:17 Naked ohh that
23:17 DanDuncombe Or realisti only in survival at least
23:17 Menche inertia is especially annoying
23:17 john_minetest PilzAdam: Disconnection... Sucks...
23:17 DanDuncombe really?
23:17 DanDuncombe How?
23:17 Naked I was thinking about needed supports so what you build doesnt fall on your head
23:17 Exio4 only two things aren't very "nice for me" in MT, but in MC, is the client-side prediction of small things and "chunk radius-stuff" of MT
23:18 Menche as far as minetest physics go, all i care about is that my feet stay on the ground when i'm not flying
23:18 DanDuncombe And that you don't walk through solid walls
23:18 Exio4 if MT got a radius-based chunk loading plus client-side prediction for doors, buckets, and that stuff in-game
23:18 Exio4 i would stop playing minecraft right now
23:18 Exio4 DanDuncombe: that is noclip and can be enabled/disabled
23:18 PilzAdam Exio4, you play MC?
23:18 Exio4 PilzAdam: yeah
23:19 PilzAdam how dare you! :-p
23:19 Exio4 that is how i knew MT
23:19 DanDuncombe I mean just running around and glitching
23:19 DanDuncombe I play Mc and Mt
23:19 Exio4 DanDuncombe: hmm?
23:19 Exio4 other thing i love about MT is ...
23:19 Menche I have both, but nowadays I play mostly MT
23:19 Exio4 opensource ness!
23:19 Menche haven't seriously played MC for quite a while
23:19 Exio4 i only play MC for doing dummy things now
23:20 DanDuncombe and I hate close-minded people who can't cope with the fact that Mc has better features than Mt and vice versa
23:20 Exio4 the last thing i did was getting 2500 or 3500 hardened clay and replacing a whole wool island (wool i placed) with hardened clay, magenta hardened clay
23:20 DanDuncombe I play Mt because Mc can't be run on my computer
23:20 DanDuncombe I assume you are using Mc version 1.6?
23:20 Exio4 yes
23:20 Exio4 it sucks though
23:20 DanDuncombe Horses are great
23:21 Naked I like both games and detest stuff on both games
23:21 Exio4 ^
23:21 Exio4 DanDuncombe: they remove client-side prediction
23:21 Exio4 /not implement it
23:21 Exio4 this is like they are trying to emulate quake3
23:21 Naked I mean why the hell did MT need to copy the shit health system of Minecraft??
23:21 DanDuncombe I like leads (hanging up iron golems)
23:21 Exio4 Naked: what system do you suggest?
23:21 PilzAdam Naked, no hunger seen in MT yet...
23:21 NekoGloopMkII Yeah, why not have a health bar
23:22 Naked normal 100 health bar that you find in other games since they where invented
23:22 Exio4 ah
23:22 Naked not this crap hearts that will later ruin combat
23:22 Exio4 that is really nice and would be nice to make
23:22 Menche yeah, i would prefer a bar with 100 health
23:22 DanDuncombe We need some kind of armour too in default.
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23:22 DanDuncombe Although diamond armour is stupid
23:23 DanDuncombe And in real life would shatter
23:23 DanDuncombe And be incredibly expensive
23:23 hdastwb really?
23:23 john_minetest Diamond+Shatter? LOL
23:23 john_minetest Diamant won't shatter
23:23 hdastwb diamond is one of the strongest substances known to man
23:23 DanDuncombe Diamonds I think are hard but not strong
23:23 Menche tools made of diamond are stupid too
23:23 PilzAdam you find diamonds which are that big in the first place
23:23 john_minetest Diamonds are hard and strong
23:23 Menche diamonds will burn, i believe
23:23 john_minetest Menche: Tools are encrusted with diamond.
23:24 john_minetest Lots of machines use it. Like diamond saws.
23:24 Menche john_minetest, in minetest they are made out of diamond
23:24 DanDuncombe If you put them in a really hot place they can vapourise
23:24 PilzAdam if you put it in a really hot place then * turns into plasma
23:24 DanDuncombe Also in real life they are used like sandpaper
23:24 PilzAdam where * is any matter
23:24 DanDuncombe Sand is really strong
23:24 john_minetest Menche: The ores look a bit too small for making whole tools. I think it is just encrusted with diamond.
23:25 john_minetest DanDuncombe: Sand is SiO2. Quartz. very strong, stronger than normal glass.
23:25 Menche aren't the current diamond tools just made completely of diamond? or did something change when i wasn't looking?
23:25 DanDuncombe Also iron lumps+cooking=steel is stupid
23:25 DanDuncombe Sticks are used for diamond tools in Mt too
23:26 PilzAdam Menche, there is no real definition if the diamonds are pure C or if its encrusted stone
23:26 Menche well yeah, the handle
23:26 john_minetest Menche: It is done out of diamond only. But we pretend that it is just encrusted stone.
23:26 Menche lol. that still doesn't make sense.
23:26 * Exio4 throws a rock at Menche's head
23:27 hdastwb ^ default:stone?
23:27 PilzAdam base:stone
23:27 Exio4 default:lava_source ftfy :>
23:27 PilzAdam </pilztest>
23:27 DanDuncombe Just for fun we could add: coal tools, quartz tools, glass tools, iron_lump tools, copper tools, wool tools, furnace tools, wheat tools...
23:27 Exio4 make a mod called "funtools"
23:27 Menche glass tools: break on first use and don't actually do anything
23:27 Exio4 with those recipes
23:27 PilzAdam btw, for everyone who thinks that survival in mt_game is too boring: https://github.com/PilzAdam/pilztest
23:28 Menche wheat tools: last for a while but don't actually do anything
23:28 john_minetest Menche: Quartz glass is actually quite hard.
23:28 hdastwb wheat tools are edible in a pinch
23:28 DanDuncombe PilzAdam: when will the redstone in your game be finished?
23:28 Exio4 lol
23:28 PilzAdam DanDuncombe, in what game?
23:28 Exio4 DanDuncombe: mesecons
23:28 DanDuncombe No...
23:28 Menche furnace tools: ...i'm not sure what that would look like
23:28 Exio4 lol
23:28 PilzAdam DanDuncombe, you mean MiniTest?
23:28 NekoGloopMkII smelt automaticall
23:28 Exio4 ah
23:28 DanDuncombe Indeed
23:28 DanDuncombe Minitest ftw
23:29 PilzAdam DanDuncombe, define "finished"
23:29 DanDuncombe When all parts work fully
23:29 PilzAdam everything works currently
23:29 DanDuncombe Like Mc Maybe?
23:29 DanDuncombe The version I last tried some stuff still didn't do anything.
23:29 PilzAdam I need to add pistons and other stuff
23:29 DanDuncombe Yep.
23:30 DanDuncombe When they are added then it will be amazing.
23:30 DanDuncombe Can you add picturs to a post on this chat?
23:30 NekoGloopMkII No.
23:30 DanDuncombe Oh well...
23:30 Exio4 DanDuncombe: you can upload images to some site and post the link
23:30 DanDuncombe Guess it prevents spamming.
23:30 Exio4 like imgur
23:31 DanDuncombe thnx
23:31 Menche and how would a text irc client display images?
23:32 DanDuncombe Just seen that paramat has released hiss volcano mod on the foprum
23:33 NekoGloopMkII Yes, we get it, paramat is a fucking lua god
23:33 Menche installing paramat's mods -> generating a single block takes 30 mins
23:33 NekoGloopMkII Well that's just lua mapgen :P
23:33 DanDuncombe To get a volcano to form
23:33 DanDuncombe you need to
23:34 DanDuncombe go to a lava cave
23:34 DanDuncombe at a maximum depth
23:34 Menche please post
23:34 DanDuncombe of no more than
23:34 Menche your entire message
23:34 Menche on one line
23:34 DanDuncombe okay
23:35 DanDuncombe Go to a max depth of no more than y = -256 and find a lava cave.
23:35 DanDuncombe If there is an ore above it I think a lava conduit will form that rises towards the surface.
23:35 DanDuncombe This will then form a volcano.
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23:38 DanDuncombe Does anyone have any ideas for more buildings to go in my Instant Buildings mod?
23:39 DanDuncombe I already have: Small hut Large hut Small house Small farm Large farm Short tower Small warehouse Large house Modern house Tall tower Factory Large warehouse Mansion
23:39 PilzAdam ..., small Dan, large dan, ...
23:40 VanessaE indeed
23:40 * VanessaE throws some commas at DanDuncombe
23:40 DanDuncombe soz...
23:40 DanDuncombe How do you 'throw' stuff at people on here?
23:40 VanessaE like this:
23:41 * VanessaE throws a mese block at DanDuncombe
23:41 VanessaE :)
23:41 * MinetestBot throws /me at DanDuncombe
23:41 DanDuncombe * DanDuncombe throws a pineapple at VannessaE
23:41 DanDuncombe That didn't work
23:41 Menche DanDuncombe: /me
23:42 * DanDuncombe throws tuuf at people
23:42 VanessaE he
23:42 VanessaE heh
23:42 DanDuncombe meh
23:42 PilzAdam sry, but IRC noobs are too funny
23:42 DanDuncombe Oh well
23:42 * Menche gets hit by tuuf
23:42 VanessaE PilzAdam: you were an irc noob once yourself as we all were.
23:42 Exio4 tufi tufi
23:42 DanDuncombe soz... lol
23:42 PilzAdam VanessaE, yay! I was funny at least once!
23:43 VanessaE heh
23:43 VanessaE now you're just a smartass :P
23:43 * PilzAdam raises funny counter to 2
23:43 PilzAdam btw,
23:43 PilzAdam !deop VanessaE
23:43 VanessaE didn't even notice I had it.
23:44 DanDuncombe how do you do it?
23:44 * DanDuncombe throws stuff doesn't work
23:44 DanDuncombe oh... oops
23:45 khonkhortisan /msg chanserv op #minetest
23:45 * DanDuncombe eats a tuuf
23:46 DanDuncombe MMMM!
23:46 PilzAdam DanDuncombe, protip: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRC
23:46 DanDuncombe thanks
23:48 * DanDuncombe loves the me command
23:49 DanDuncombe Who is loggingbot_ ?
23:49 marktraceur DanDuncombe: A bot. Who logs.
23:49 VanessaE a...um...logging bot? :)
23:49 NekoGloopMkII A bot who chops trees
23:50 kahrl and he's okay
23:51 DanDuncombe lol
23:51 DanDuncombe So is it/him/her human?
23:52 marktraceur DanDuncombe: In some sense - a human controls it, but it's pretty much automated.
23:52 DanDuncombe When will 0.4.8 Minetest stable be released?
23:52 VanessaE soon.
23:53 DanDuncombe Good.
23:53 DanDuncombe Does worldedit save facedir? I'm assuming it does
23:54 VanessaE yes, it does
23:54 DanDuncombe Good.
23:55 DanDuncombe Are there roof corners in your homedecor mod?
23:56 VanessaE er...um
23:56 VanessaE yes, there are......
23:56 DanDuncombe joined #minetest
23:57 VanessaE jeez, let me answer the question for crying out loud
23:57 VanessaE yes, there are corners.
23:57 VanessaE but you have to craft and place them explicitly.
23:57 * NekoGloopMkII puts a kitten on DanDuncombe's head
23:57 DanDuncombe soz... didn't mean to disconnect.
23:57 * DanDuncombe eats kitten
23:57 NekoGloopMkII BEGONE, HEATHEN!
23:58 * DanDuncombe charges at Taoki while he is gone
23:58 NekoGloopMkII http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPjW_9KZo8M ~
23:59 * DanDuncombe mistakes NekoGloopMkII for a kitten and eats him/her/other as well
23:59 NekoGloopMkII other.

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