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00:00 Exio --[ comment ]-- iirc
00:00 khonkhortisan --[[ comment --]]
00:01 khonkhortisan Take out the second [ and it uncomments
00:01 Traxie21 NVM, nil is working
00:02 khonkhortisan I just can't figure out how the size being higher than the offset can create a gap
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00:04 Traxie21 Exio, Potionspack has been modified to allow overlapping effects, changes comitted
00:04 Exio :D
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00:12 bas080 Can i use right click event for tools?
00:12 bas080 I am trying to make a tool with a different right click and left click feature.
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00:14 jordan4ibanez http://youtu.be/lgJY56zp_vU?t=3m17s Here's the spawners
00:15 savedgames Exio, LTC, Do you know about the technologies used in BTC, like checksums or proof of work and digital signatures? Do these topics interest you or do you only know about the practical benefits of BTC, LTC etc?
00:15 mauvebic ponzi schemes?
00:16 Traxie21 jordan4ibanez, why not use particles for the water spawner?
00:16 savedgames hell, even Gavin says that you should only invest time and money into Bitcoin that you are comfortable losing.
00:16 jordan4ibanez Because with items, you can get water from the fountain
00:16 Traxie21 oh
00:16 savedgames so if you're not interested don't do it, but misrepresenting facts about Bitcoin because you don't understand is just shitty
00:16 Traxie21 well, adding some particles in there would make it look better
00:17 savedgames and spreading myths
00:17 mauvebic i understand it pretty well
00:17 mauvebic its a pump and dump scheme
00:17 mauvebic perpetuated by the exchanges
00:17 mauvebic they call it getting zhou tonged'
00:17 savedgames mauvebic, you understand neither digital signatures, nor proof of work.
00:17 mauvebic then they close shop, and bail out
00:17 savedgames so you can only spread misinformation since you do not understand the technology. Thus FUD
00:17 mauvebic mmmhmmm
00:17 jordan4ibanez I know, but it is just a test, I like how you can actually get the water lol
00:18 mauvebic tell me, who actually created bitcoin? cuz we still dont know lol
00:18 savedgames most of Bitcoins followers don't understand Bitcoin but also help in spreading the myths
00:18 mauvebic i see you went to the bernie madoff school of finance
00:19 mauvebic you wont find many suckers here, its an opensource game, people didn't pay for it lol
00:19 savedgames still they defend it. Which makes them totally crazy. Bitcoin is all about digital signatures, checksums and nothing else. These are proven technologies that exist in Bank-ID and Bittorrent. Nothing new really
00:19 savedgames I'm talking about donations
00:19 khonkhortisan savedgames, since when did mauvebic stop understanding the technology?
00:20 mauvebic i think they'd rather take donations in currencies they can pay the hosting with
00:20 savedgames khonkhortisan, Do you understand it?
00:20 khonkhortisan since != because
00:20 mauvebic i know a scam when i see one lol i ran a UPS store
00:21 mauvebic telemarketing and whole host of crap
00:21 savedgames Bitcoin is based on Public-key cryptography.
00:21 jordan4ibanez I ran a mile, doesn't mean I know shoes :D
00:21 mauvebic go ahead, sink your funds into BTC then jordan :p
00:22 savedgames but no encryption. So many journalists that can't tell the distinction between enccryption and cryptography, really they are probably just helping spreading misinformation
00:22 mauvebic no one on slashdot is buying it anymore and barely any defenders left either
00:22 savedgames mauvebic, foodler is the last one that accept it.
00:24 mauvebic dont know foodler
00:24 mauvebic jesus christ, i thought a tornado was gonna descend on my house, now its all quiet :/
00:25 savedgames In its core Bitcoin is only about Public key cryptography, that is digital signatures, and checksums.
00:26 savedgames though you don't have to find out. I'm glad you are giving minetest. Thanks...and with that I can leave peacefully :D
00:26 mauvebic technology isn't the problem ,its how the exchanges manipulate the rates to fleece their own customers, and they say BTC is better than modern banking lol
00:26 mauvebic im not giving minetest, c55 is :p
00:26 mauvebic and cie
00:27 savedgames c55 and the community.
00:27 savedgames or rather 'the community' since I'm not familiar.
00:27 mauvebic well some people contribute more hot air than others, but yes :)
00:27 arsdragonfly Bitcoin causes deflation
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00:27 arsdragonfly like what gold does
00:28 Kacey i had a fun day today
00:28 Kacey went up to CU-Boulder on a field trip
00:28 savedgames I'm usually irritated by the overpromotion of Bitcoin when the people promoting has little or no idea at all how it works.
00:28 savedgames I mean not even grabbing the very basics.
00:29 savedgames Common assumptions is that Bitcoin uses encryption.
00:29 savedgames Bitcoin doesn't use encryption but it uses cryptography. There's a wild difference there.
00:29 mauvebic but all the cryptography in the word can't alleviate the ponzi-ness and criminal behaviour of the exchanges
00:29 mauvebic *world
00:30 savedgames Are you saying that trading Bitcoins for USD or EUR is a criminal act?
00:30 mauvebic in a sense some people are right, people who use BTC deserve to get fleeced
00:30 mauvebic no, taking your customers' USD/EUR/BTC and blaming it on a hack is criminal
00:30 savedgames Are you doing an argument?
00:30 arsdragonfly Deflation will ruin Bitcoin one day
00:30 savedgames wait, what?
00:30 arsdragonfly The more you pay,the more you lose
00:31 savedgames "no, taking your customers' USD/EUR/BTC and blaming it on a hack is criminal", what do you mean??
00:31 mauvebic you never heard of Zhou Tong?
00:31 savedgames who is doing that and what happened to you?
00:31 mauvebic "oh we got hacked, and you'll get half your money back, and i quit"
00:31 savedgames mauvebic, well some people get rather trusting of people. I think people should think before trusting any random stranger on the internet.
00:31 mauvebic especially a 17year old running an exchange
00:32 mauvebic i hear that are lawsuits in the pipeworks
00:32 savedgames As Gavin Andresen, main developer of Bitcoin-qt says: "Gavin's Standard Public Service Announcement #2: Only invest time or money into Bitcoin that you can afford to lose."
00:32 arsdragonfly Suggest that you have 1Kg of gold,and you won't pay everything with it
00:32 mauvebic thats a pretty clear indication of what will happen
00:32 savedgames that means spare change, not your life savings. Some people are just freakin crazy
00:33 arsdragonfly cuz the price of gold is rising
00:33 mauvebic i think it crashed or dipped lately
00:33 mauvebic (gold)
00:33 savedgames I don't doubt at all that many ponzi lunatics have gotten into Bitcoin seeing it as a chance to scam people.
00:33 arsdragonfly the more you pay with it ,the more you lose potentially
00:33 savedgames "i hear that are lawsuits in the pipeworks", FUD.
00:33 savedgames FinCEN has accepted Bitcoin
00:33 Exio savedgames: i have a "bare" know (as, i know in terms of reading a bit and so, not as i actually know how it works)
00:34 arsdragonfly Thus NO ONE will pay with Bitcoin in the future either
00:34 savedgames Literally meaning, you can use it legally in the USA on account of the Financial Crimes Enforcement Network
00:34 arsdragonfly and Bitcoin has NO PRACTICAL USE as a kind of CURRENCY
00:34 Exio uh?
00:35 savedgames arsdragonfly, it has little to no fees. Actually the fees are optional according to the protocol
00:35 savedgames Though most Bitcoin programs usually suggest the 0.0005 fee.
00:35 mauvebic pump and dump: http://news.slashdot.org/story/12/10/18/1433258/vast-bulk-of-bitcoins-are-hoarded-not-used
00:36 mauvebic lawsuit: http://news.slashdot.org/story/12/08/13/236252/hacked-bitcoin-exchange-sued-by-customers
00:37 Exio "Bitcoinica, an exchange for the BitCoin virtual currency, is being sued by former customers, after it was hacked. Thieves stole around $180,000 worth of BitCoins in two attacks. The site is now closed, and customers are suing to get their money back."
00:37 Exio )> not related to the currency
00:37 savedgames Yeah...that's not a lawsuit against Bitcoin as a currency and technology but rather as a lawsuit against a Bitcoin exchange
00:37 arsdragonfly savedgames :I know that,but What will you do if you have some gold and some US dollars?
00:37 Exio the first link, tell me where is the 75% of the REAL money
00:37 Exio hint: big companies
00:37 savedgames arsdragonfly, Idk, it's your life
00:38 mauvebic http://yro.slashdot.org/story/11/06/16/1244205/500000-worth-of-bitcoins-stolen
00:38 arsdragonfly savedgames :everyone will choose to pay with US dollars
00:38 jordan4ibanez Oh god I'm submitting images of minetest to imgur, what have I done
00:38 mauvebic http://yro.slashdot.org/story/11/10/20/1956211/legal-tender-maybe-not-says-louisiana-law
00:38 arsdragonfly savedgames :Even if they worth the same at the moment. But they won't in the future.
00:39 savedgames arsdragonfly, there are also downsides to USD, EUR, etc. You should know there are also downsides to Bitcoin, but we have our upsides too like resistance to economic censorship as an example. Near to zero fees, since by the protocol the fees are optional.
00:39 mauvebic 3x this: http://it.slashdot.org/story/11/06/19/2125252/bitcoin-price-crashes
00:39 mauvebic ponzi: http://yro.slashdot.org/story/12/08/29/0349226/large-bitcoin-ponzi-scheme-collapses-with-a-loss-of-56-million
00:39 mauvebic enough links
00:39 savedgames arsdragonfly, yeah. Usually the price volatility makes it so sucky that I hate it, though I appreciate the upsides. But yes price volatility is really really sucky in Bitcoin
00:39 Exio mauvebic: "5000 worth..." that happens in real life,
00:40 mauvebic the only difference is we have deposit insurance at real banks
00:40 Exio yes, it crashed in terms of value, it is a currency
00:40 savedgames A real downside in Bitcoin is price volatility, and yes we all know about it.
00:40 Exio ^
00:41 savedgames There are upsides though, and sometimes those upsides may be what gives Bitcoin it's worth.
00:41 mauvebic hardly surprising they burn through people's funds and evangelize for new suckers
00:41 arsdragonfly savedgames : Yeah,and it's barely better than gold, I mean you can't expect it to replace USD or so
00:41 savedgames arsdragonfly, Try sending me some gold in 10 minutes...No kidding
00:42 savedgames gold is a metal
00:42 savedgames just like zinc or copper is a metal, I think, right?
00:43 arsdragonfly yup and that's its upside
00:43 mauvebic my government is creating a real digital currency (legal tender) for microtransactions
00:43 savedgames mauvebic, The devs of Bitcoin say it is beta software for a reason... if you watch most version of Bitcoin software it usually starts at 0.6.x or 0.7.x
00:43 mauvebic http://yro.slashdot.org/story/12/04/11/2250226/canadian-mint-to-create-digital-currency
00:43 savedgames It's not something you should just start trusting without doing any research. I think that's just dumb.
00:44 savedgames But spreading misinformation only helps misinforming yourself and your surroundings.
00:44 savedgames Bitcoin has weaknesses but it also has strengths.
00:44 mauvebic spreading "misinformation" hurts the ponzi scheme, yeah
00:44 savedgames Ain't the same true for USD or do you only see 100% strenghts?
00:45 mauvebic the USD is backed by a government, and collateralized with tax revenue
00:45 Exio mauvebic: your only point is that, no?
00:45 mauvebic its enough for most people, and more than BTC can claim
00:46 savedgames mauvebic, I don't ask you to read on about digital signatures nor about proof of work or checksums. I respect you as you are, but calling all people using Bitcoin 'ponzi' is just ignorant.
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00:46 Exio savedgames: he'll never understand what a key in crypto is
00:46 mauvebic digital signatures, cryptography and checksums over and over doesn't change the fact that its a giant ponzi scheme
00:47 mauvebic where do you people live to put so much faith in BTC?
00:47 savedgames Exio, ok. I've used PGP/GPG in emails cause I've studied about Public key cryptography in education.
00:47 savedgames Exio. Do you know about public key cryptography or is that a topic you have not yet researched or learnt about?
00:48 Exio i'm not an expert of that, but i understand how it works in a "basic level"
00:48 savedgames mauvebic, as I said I don't have much faith in the Bitcoin price. Did I not say that?
00:48 Exio mauvebic: you use it as any local currency in its own country
00:48 mauvebic not just the price, i have no faith in its creator, the exchange operators, or the hoarders lol
00:49 savedgames Exio, do you know what is required to make a digital signature and what is required for another person to verify that your digital signature is correct?
00:49 Traxie21 an onion?
00:49 savedgames I mean the basics. Do they need a public key or a private key or both?
00:49 savedgames otherwise, it's something that can be looked up, given time of course.
00:50 savedgames Exio, do you have any questions regarding how it works?
00:50 Exio wut
00:50 arsdragonfly As for Ponzi Scheme,does anyone think that USD / EUR is a Ponzi Scheme?
00:50 savedgames Exio, so are you interested in learning more about how Bitcoin works or are you happy with what you already know?
00:50 Exio savedgames: i know how it works for messages
00:50 Exio savedgames: i'm happy with what i already know
00:51 savedgames Exio, right ok. I enjoyed your fix for the bug. So wanna express my thanks!
00:52 jordan4ibanez Oh my, cispa has passed while those bombings went on
00:53 savedgames I need some sleep. I went here to get help on a bug and I got help, and also learnt it is solved so I wanna wish everyone a good night.
00:53 savedgames Bitcoin really ain't that complex though technical skills or interest in technology might be necessary. Though misinformation is common so, well...have fun
00:56 mauvebic http://bitcoin-shitlist.com/
01:02 jordan4ibanez I don't think minetest survives well on imgur lol
01:04 jordan4ibanez I will push it through until they love it xD
01:06 mauvebic well with zimg down for the count it should get more popular lol
01:06 mauvebic they finally got the 2nd suspect btw
01:07 Traxie21 Added Health/Harming I and II to potionspack
01:07 Traxie21 GUI looks nice, but I need some timer code
01:08 jordan4ibanez Oh wait, can't we add breathing to the game now? :D
01:08 Traxie21 yep we can jordy
01:09 Traxie21 Anyone got some good 1-second repeat-action timer code that can accept variables?
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01:12 m_khonkhortisan hi!
01:13 m_khonkhortisan im suprised i could connect with this
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01:15 m_khonkhortisan ping khonkhortisan :P
01:18 Kacey * Ping reply from m_khonkhortisan: 1.16 second(s)
01:18 Traxie21 New update to potions/potionspack, they both need to be redownloaded together
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01:19 LAD Traxie i had a problem with your potions pack
01:19 m_khonkhortisan that's a slow ping
01:19 Traxie21 do tell LAD
01:20 LAD i tired it than it came up with the error of something about not able to chnage the game fisixs(sorry for bad spelling)
01:20 Traxie21 You need a very recent git verision
01:20 LAD ...
01:20 LAD kk
01:20 Traxie21 As of the latest update, you need a version about 2 days old
01:21 Traxie21 or newer
01:21 LAD hmmm
01:21 m_khonkhortisan driving back to my other nick...
01:21 LAD i'll PilzAdam's version later
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01:25 * Kacey is having luacontroller problems
01:27 Kacey nvm got it
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01:31 savedgames "tell me, who actually created bitcoin? cuz we still dont know lol". Julian Assange. Why? Well a stupid question deserves a stupid answer
01:33 Kacey http://ifunny.mobi/f/UFg726dx
01:35 Traxie21 http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=85176#p85176
01:38 Kacey someone want to get on my server and see what is wrong with my clock?
01:38 ShadowNinja Traxie21: minetest.after is called improperly
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01:38 Traxie21 do tell
01:38 Psychotic So whos this hmm person?
01:39 Psychotic Mauve made an awesome miod and this hmm person wont even let it in. What a joke.
01:39 Psychotic ...
01:39 ShadowNinja minetest.after(1, timer, player, str)
01:40 Psychotic ...
01:40 Psychotic Fine. Ignore me,. I dont care.
01:40 ShadowNinja Psychotic: Be patient, he is a core developer
01:41 Psychotic Core developer? Erm, this is a community based game, there should be no "core developers"
01:42 ShadowNinja Core developer means someone with push access
01:42 Psychotic So they have control over what can be added?
01:42 * Kacey is getting annoyed at this clock
01:42 ShadowNinja Yes
01:43 Psychotic Are you fucking kidding me? So we have someone who is too stupid to realive the potential of a great mod, and who wont add it?
01:43 Traxie21 ShadowNinja: Didnt work, same error
01:44 jordan4ibanez I think the people commenting on this http://imgur.com/gallery/XXsN5du/new don't know it's minetest and not minecraft lol
01:45 ShadowNinja are you sure you used timer and not timer()?
01:45 Traxie21 yep
01:45 Traxie21 somewhere in there, theres a nil value
01:45 Psychotic Whatever man, im not gonna waste my time on a game just to bust my ass working on a awesome mod and not have it added due to someone catching the stupid virus.
01:46 Traxie21 welp
01:46 Traxie21 goodnight
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01:47 Psychotic Night all. Im outta here.
01:48 jordan4ibanez psychotic if I had that mineset... :D
01:49 Psychotic Man, i wish i knew how to code, id make some awesome stuff, but this autism crap i got makes it hard to learn how to code stuff.
01:49 Psychotic Bro, id probably be banned if my stuff got constantly denied for no reason
01:52 jordan4ibanez Just start one thing at a time
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01:53 kaeza greetings humanity
01:59 RealBadAngel hi
01:59 RealBadAngel with this you are tryin to tell us that youre not human? ;)
01:59 kaeza I'm from the planet of lunatics
02:00 kaeza just like the rest of us :)
02:00 RealBadAngel hehe
02:00 RealBadAngel indeed
02:00 RealBadAngel its 4am here, and i just woke up ;)
02:00 kaeza good morning then :)
02:02 kaeza what did I miss? are there 4D players already :P
02:02 * kaeza will stalk the github commits
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02:04 jordan4ibanez we needz block friction :D
02:05 ShadowNinja kaeza! 0gb.us and me have some stuff to fix in the irc mod, he has a pull request up.
02:05 mauvebic Psychotic i didn't make a colored lights made, i just made a proof of concept for a feature, anyone can add mods
02:05 ShadowNinja s/me/I/
02:06 mauvebic *colored lights mod
02:07 Psychotic so whats mapgen v7?
02:07 jordan4ibanez it's amazing mapgen
02:07 jordan4ibanez I don't know how to activate it yet though :(
02:07 mauvebic map_meta or minetest.conf
02:07 Psychotic Also, what can i expect from 0.4.7?
02:07 Deivan RealBadAngel, the medium voltage cable don't work with the turbine?
02:08 ShadowNinja Psychotic: the latest version of mapgen, non-functional atm
02:08 mauvebic lots and lots of minor fixes and things :p
02:08 Psychotic so its gonna be a bug fix update?
02:08 ShadowNinja better ask hmmmm what he has planed
02:10 mauvebic well there is the hud thats in git
02:10 RealBadAngel Deivan, by now only power source for MV is solar panel
02:10 Deivan Ok.
02:10 Kacey turbine?
02:10 mauvebic back to dishes
02:11 Deivan Geothermal...
02:11 Deivan Sorry.
02:11 Deivan I have a turbine in my game a some time ago, I don't have anymore, I lost the refference from the source...  Hehehe.
02:13 Kacey http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5602 nobody seems to care about my mod :(
02:13 Kacey of course my only working mod isn't popular :(
02:14 Kacey it is only v0.1 and people expect it to be a mod that adds big things
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02:16 Exio kaeza: !!
02:18 Deivan I am more of type of guy who search for functional blocks, but some times I search for decorative, I found recently the homedecor. :D
02:18 Kacey but this is my first functioning mod
02:18 Kacey There is more to come in later versions
02:19 Deivan I added your topic to my bookmark.  But post some screenshots, this make more easy to attract people.  :D
02:20 Kacey ompldr hates me lol
02:22 Deivan Well, after removed mobs mod my game a significative beter FPS.
02:22 Deivan I need more tests.  AFK
02:24 jordan4ibanez Holy shit, I uploaded a pic of the node gun and within 40 seconds got 4 upvotes lol
02:26 hmmmm mapgen v7 won't be the default for quite some time
02:27 hmmmm there's no reason to push people into using something brand new that they might not like
02:27 jordan4ibanez I can't wait for it, it looks amazing
02:27 jordan4ibanez Oh they will like it, it's incredible
02:27 hmmmm anyway, now that i have tonight and tomorrow free from work, i'll work on it a bit
02:28 hmmmm were you looking at it?
02:28 hmmmm or did you just say that based on the screenshots
02:28 hmmmm if you'd like, i can give you a couple biome definitions
02:28 jordan4ibanez Well seeing how naturally the terrain looks compared to the current one, yes
02:28 hmmmm but it's still kind of hard to play on without trees :3
02:28 hmmmm haha, floating pieces of land is not natural
02:29 jordan4ibanez No, the smoothness of it is
02:29 hmmmm oh yes
02:29 hmmmm that's what i was aiming for
02:29 hmmmm that's what i absolutely hated about the current mapgen
02:29 jordan4ibanez It looks like it was smoothly curved out over time rather than destroyed in earthquakes
02:29 hmmmm so it's smooth and interesting at the same time
02:30 jordan4ibanez use the lua function for spawning grass to spawn trees, easy fix
02:31 hmmmm lol
02:31 RealBadAngel talkin bout the trees, they are waitin for biomes :)
02:31 hmmmm my plans are something like that
02:31 jordan4ibanez that would create some weird patches of trees
02:32 hmmmm also, i think i'm going to backport DecorationDef to V6 too, since there's so much to gain
02:32 RealBadAngel trees can be spawned in the engine or the lua side
02:34 RealBadAngel tree definition is just a table with some variables set
02:35 RealBadAngel and can be used directly in the mapgen
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02:39 * arsdragonfly 's 6-year-old little brother is playing minetest
02:42 arsdragonfly no suffocation under water?
02:47 jordan4ibanez We can make a mod for that
02:47 mauvebic dangit lol was playing with kitty, she was hiding in a box, then she pops out and sticks her paw in my eye lol
02:47 jordan4ibanez kaeza update your survival mod with gui segments
02:48 kaeza jordan4ibanez, dafuq :O
02:48 kaeza right away sir
02:48 kaeza Exio, hey!
02:48 jordan4ibanez Good dog!
02:48 mauvebic lol
02:49 kaeza so there's a GUI definable in Lua now
02:49 kaeza ?
02:49 Exio kaeza: yes
02:49 Exio the super-amazing luahud
02:49 kaeza :D
02:49 Exio now available for $10/hud-item
02:50 Exio CALL NOW!
02:50 kaeza 555-FUCKYOU
02:50 mauvebic you can even stream porn through the hud!
02:50 kaeza :P
02:50 Exio btw, night
02:50 Exio mauvebic: good idea
02:50 Psychotic What the cluck?
02:50 mauvebic kill two birds with one stone
02:50 kaeza nite o/
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02:50 Psychotic 1-555-ID-BUY-THAT
02:51 mauvebic all were missing is fuckable entities
02:51 kaeza ^ SOON
02:51 mauvebic im sure the sheep animal could be tweaked
02:51 kaeza rule 34 my dear mauvebic
02:51 kaeza :D
02:51 jojoa1997|Tablet Does anyone get this format on github http://i.imgur.com/0FpddhH.png
02:51 mauvebic not familiar with that meme lol
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02:55 jojoa1997|Tablet What is rule 34?
03:02 mauvebic http://youtu.be/1ZeciX-3wfs
03:07 Deivan I started a new game for test and receive this message...  "FIXME: Meshbuffer ran out of indices"
03:17 jordan4ibanez http://imgur.com/gallery/Do2ZI2K
03:18 mauvebic https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/7348185856/h4D6D8CEE/
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03:21 jordan4ibanez but mac os is complicated, well it's not as easy to use as kde or windows lol
03:22 mauvebic i wouldn't mind kde if they didn't put a k in front of every app name, makes alphabetic sorting/finding kinda irrelevant lol
03:23 VanessaE A few more homedecor updates just a few mins ago, if anyone gives two shits :)
03:24 mauvebic i found 3 on a public server :/
03:25 kaeza hey hey VanessaE
03:25 VanessaE hey kaeza
03:26 kaeza what's new?
03:26 VanessaE mauvebic: on the other hand, it makes identifying apps that are likely to integrate well with KDE considerably easier
03:26 VanessaE kaeza: a lot actually :-)
03:26 khonkhortisan Cool, I'm in my scrollback
03:27 VanessaE https://github.com/VanessaE/homedecor/commits/master ~~ https://github.com/VanessaE/moretrees/commits/master ~~ https://github.com/VanessaE/512px-realistic-textures/commits/master
03:27 mauvebic https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/7236771584/hEAE4B306/
03:27 VanessaE EXTERMINATE
03:27 khonkhortisan what a striking resemblance
03:29 khonkhortisan I don't remember why I got rid of homedecor. I'll add it back.
03:30 VanessaE you were probably just trying to sort out an error somewhere
03:33 VanessaE kaeza: *poke*
03:33 VanessaE someone get the defibrillator.  :-)
03:34 * kaeza just had a heart attack...
03:34 kaeza git nuked my "special" minetest repo :(
03:34 VanessaE damn!
03:34 mauvebic https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/7203982592/h92905C5C/
03:37 VanessaE mauvebic: tonight's low, ~2°C.  Tomorrow's high, 10.   TAKE BACK YOUR COLD WEATHER DAMN IT! :-)
03:37 mauvebic dont blame me, we had 19c lol
03:37 mauvebic turns out god likes my country more :p
03:37 VanessaE haha
03:38 mauvebic he's pretty old, healthcare costs and all :p
03:38 VanessaE HAH!
03:38 mauvebic i shouldn't say that down south, ill get lynched lol
03:39 mauvebic well, depends which state
03:41 mauvebic i hear vermont's alot like ontario
03:41 VanessaE I live in NC
03:41 mauvebic minus all the debt
03:41 mauvebic cuz ontario's sinking lol
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03:42 mauvebic cat owners know what im talking about: https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/7170570752/hC27D46C2/
03:43 arsdragonfly how to make a node be able to be dug instantly?
03:43 kaeza I see RBA finally got his patch to use LuaJit if found
03:44 VanessaE oh yes
03:45 kaeza can I point it somehow to the library?
03:45 kaeza I mean, I don't want to install Jit system-wide
03:45 khonkhortisan set the LUA_* cmake variables to LuaJit
03:46 kaeza also, any reason for ENABLE_(GETTEXT|FREETYPE) not ON by default?
03:47 arsdragonfly Is dig_immediate in groups obsolete?
03:48 khonkhortisan I never noticed those variables
03:48 arsdragonfly then how to make a node be dug instantly?
03:48 VanessaE freetype sucks
03:48 VanessaE gettext, no opinion there
03:49 arsdragonfly VanesesaE :why?
03:49 khonkhortisan 20:48:56: ERROR[main]: generate_image(): Creating a dummy image for "homedecor_fence_chainlink_gate_tb.png"
03:49 arsdragonfly VanessaE: why?
03:49 VanessaE arsdragonfly: you can't put a shadow behind the text, enabling it breaks the ability to use bitmapped fonts, and doing so also breaks the sign-in status screen.
03:51 arsdragonfly kaeza : 16:28thexyzCalinou: the easiest (and hackiest) way to build minetest with luajit is to build minetest and luajit separately, then replace liblua.a with libluajit.a, then `make` minetest again, it'll link with brand new luajit instead of lua
03:51 arsdragonfly from the IRC log
03:51 kaeza arsdragonfly, that's what I've been doing :)
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03:52 VanessaE arsdragonfly: basically, using my old build script.
03:52 khonkhortisan Don't use the hacky way to build minetest. It's now supported by cmake.
03:54 VanessaE kaeza: sure miss having you (and others!) playing on my server.
03:58 kaeza VanessaE, aww sorry :(
03:59 khonkhortisan do <up> <enter> until not(test 1 / 12 failed) end
03:59 kaeza LOL
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04:01 khonkhortisan it would be funny if it wasn't true
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04:21 * khonkhortisan is playing guess-the-number with formspecs
04:23 MinetestBot GIT: kwolekr commited to minetest/minetest: Add direction parameter to statbars in HUD API 527deb947c 2013-04-19T21:22:12-07:00 http://git.io/XmYQEA
04:24 jordan4ibanez I never understood why this was never implimented to mc or mt http://goo.gl/zTrxF
04:24 khonkhortisan Each button is at a position 0.7 from the previous one. Each button is 0.81 wide. Each horizontal gap between buttons is 0.07 wide. Each vertical gap between buttons is 0.15 wide. How is this possible?
04:25 khonkhortisan Wouldn't it be some sort of muddy or swirly glass in that case?
04:26 * khonkhortisan image searches volcanic glass
04:26 VanessaE http://blog.ponoko.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/sand-bowl.jpg
04:27 VanessaE THIS is more like what would look like.
04:27 VanessaE (that's selective-sintered sand, a type of 3d-printer that uses sand as the feedstock)
04:27 jordan4ibanez But I can't make bowls in minetest D:
04:27 VanessaE I meant the color :)
04:27 jordan4ibanez But I can't make color in minetest D:
04:28 khonkhortisan Make a 1x1 image then stretch it
04:28 khonkhortisan lmgtfy https://www.google.com/search?q=volcanic+glass
04:29 jordan4ibanez Maybe instead of normal glass, it becomes obsidian glass, doi, what was I thinking
04:32 jordan4ibanez Okay there, now I counter balanced pilzadam's rarity of obsidian glass with sand turning into obsidian glass
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04:40 lane_ im having trouble with minetest
04:42 VanessaE whattrouble?
04:43 VanessaE jordan4ibanez: better to turn it into obsidian, not glass, as there are no conditions under which it could ever become transparent glass
04:43 VanessaE (we really REALLY need alpha support)
04:43 jordan4ibanez Well I want what I want and what I want is illogical
04:43 VanessaE (as it would need to be cloudy, swirly like khonkhortisan said)
04:44 lane_ im creating a new world, and it is not showing u in the load worlds box.
04:44 VanessaE lane_: did you remember to actually extract and save Minetest to your hard disk?  Don't run it from the ZIP file.
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04:56 Lane_ it stil wont let me make a new world, i made sure it was extracted
04:57 jordan4ibanez Hmmm does this make sense? https://github.com/jordan4ibanez/Minetest-Black/wiki/Advanced-Lava-Cooling
05:00 Lane_ -_-
05:02 VanessaE but did you run it from the extracted folder, or did you run it from the zip?
05:02 VanessaE the only reason you would have trouble creating a world is if you have no write permission in whatever folder it's trying to create the world in
05:03 VanessaE (which is minetestfolder/worlds)
05:06 Lane_ is there supposed to be a folder caled worlds inside the file?
05:07 khonkhortisan I'll assume the dirt right between the lava and water is normal temperature
05:08 jordan4ibanez Good, I'd have to light you on fire if you didn't
05:08 khonkhortisan On a formspec, the positions aren't in the same units as the sizes, but I can't tell by how much.
05:15 khonkhortisan :( the buttons near the top have a two-pixel separation, the ones near the bottom have a three-pixel separation, even though it's the same dimensions
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05:34 * ShadowNinja is apparently a bot
05:35 ShadowNinja "Sorry, but we think you are bot. You cant login on this forum."
05:35 ShadowNinja Can someone please remove or fix that module, I know I am not the first to have this issue
05:37 ShadowNinja Boat browser works...
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05:43 [0gb_us] Does anyone know if there is a way to have Minetest flip a texture?
05:43 khonkhortisan Yes.
05:44 [0gb_us] Like, ^[<something> ?
05:44 khonkhortisan modname_image.png^[transformR90
05:44 [0gb_us] Thar rotates, not flips.
05:44 [0gb_us] *that
05:44 khonkhortisan But based on my attempts, it doesn't seem to work in a formspec, even with the proper escapes
05:44 [0gb_us] Like mirror image.
05:44 khonkhortisan uhh...
05:44 [0gb_us] I just need it for a node, not a formspec.
05:45 [0gb_us] Not possible then?
05:48 RealBadAngel possible
05:49 RealBadAngel ^[transformFX
05:49 RealBadAngel or FY
05:49 [0gb_us] Thanks!
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05:49 RealBadAngel you can join it with rotations
05:49 RealBadAngel like ^[transformFXR90
05:50 [0gb_us] Awesome. I just need to make two sides of a stair symmetrical, so just the flip should be good.
05:52 jordan4ibanez what happened to the xgate mod?
05:52 [0gb_us] Not sure.
05:53 [0gb_us] !g minetest xgate
05:53 MinetestBot [0gb_us]: No results found for 'minetest xgate'.
05:53 [0gb_us] Really .... odd.
05:53 khonkhortisan Sorry, got distracted by the tv
05:53 [0gb_us] !g minetest xfence
05:53 MinetestBot [0gb_us]: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4011
05:54 [0gb_us] I don't see it. Sorry.
06:16 kaeza I think the 80-column rule should be enforced in lua_api.txt
06:17 khonkhortisan I see armchairs on a forum topic, and all of a sudden it's in my game!
06:18 kaeza there are some lines that extend almost to 120 chars! :(
06:18 kaeza khonkhortisan, homedecor?
06:18 khonkhortisan yeah
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06:30 khonkhortisan Can I set a variable at the same time as passing it to a function? if minetest.registered_items[ name = unified_inventory.filtered_items_list[player_name][list_index] ] then
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06:32 markveidemanis hello!
06:32 markveidemanis I want to make the resolution of my monitor bigger but it will only let me do 1024x768
06:33 arsdragonfly how to change the fog distance ?
06:33 khonkhortisan How exactly do you want to make it bigger? Placing multiple pixels in the same pixel?
06:34 khonkhortisan arsdragonfly, whatever Range select is set to in the Settings tab - I don't remember the default
06:35 VanessaE arsdragonfly: + and -
06:35 VanessaE markveidemanis: if your screen is 1024x768, it is not possible to go higher.
06:35 khonkhortisan (but it is)
06:35 markveidemanis MY screen is 1024x600...
06:35 khonkhortisan edge scroll, zoom, fancy stuff
06:35 VanessaE markveidemanis: flat panels have a native resolution they run at, everything is scaled to that resolution
06:36 markveidemanis The monitor says its x768
06:36 markveidemanis but it looks weird
06:36 khonkhortisan aw, now that I said edge scroll now I want to do it
06:36 markveidemanis the bad resolution
06:36 VanessaE that sounds like a video driver setting
06:37 [0gb_us] khonkhortisan: I'm fairly certain you can't set a variable that way.
06:38 kaeza khonkhortisan, nope
06:38 markveidemanis -snip-received a new Acer X193W monitor (max resolution 1440x900)-snip-
06:38 kaeza re: set variable while "reading" it
06:38 khonkhortisan two no's at the same time, I'm on a roll!
06:38 markveidemanis http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/s/tco+03+displays+x193w+resolution/
06:38 [0gb_us] I think you can in PHP though.
06:39 markveidemanis il try that in minetest conf...
06:39 kaeza khonkhortisan, that's one feature I miss on Lua :(
06:39 kaeza also: foo[blah++] = x;
06:40 sfan5 kaeza: lua is open source..
06:40 sfan5 you could add it
06:40 khonkhortisan I just miss string split, table copy, ^ yuck!
06:40 markveidemanis Can someone help with the resolution change?
06:40 khonkhortisan , and lfs
06:40 sfan5 (i also would be happy about someting++ and --something)
06:40 sfan5 markveidemanis: have you looked in the video driver settings
06:40 khonkhortisan Resolution is not something I mess with. I added one button to the taskbar to fix it when a program crashes
06:40 VanessaE markveidemanis: start by checking your computer/OS settings, you have to be running at your monitor's native resolution *outside* of Minetest first
06:41 markveidemanis http://ompldr.org/vaTVtcw/2013-04-20-073707_1024x768_scrot.png
06:41 kaeza sfan5, what are the odds that such a change would be added to lua master/trunk/whatchacallit?
06:41 khonkhortisan += too
06:41 VanessaE scrot?  that's xfce
06:41 VanessaE I thought you ran windows?
06:41 markveidemanis is there a command that prints it all?
06:41 ShadowNinja sfan5: have you forgotten to deop or are you one for a reason?
06:41 kaeza (assuming I take the time to add that, and that it has not been suggested 82419589 times)
06:41 khonkhortisan markv runs off battery
06:41 markveidemanis yep
06:42 [0gb_us] I'm trying now to put chests in dungeons on mapgen. Does anyone have any bright ideas on how to effectively locate dungeon rooms?
06:42 khonkhortisan (offtopic) I have a cool solar-powered flashlight!
06:42 markveidemanis But why does that matter?
06:42 kaeza https://github.com/celeron55/dungeon
06:42 kaeza [0gb_us], ^
06:42 khonkhortisan it doesn't
06:42 sfan5 kaeza: i'd say its pretty likely that it would get merged, since it wouldn't screw up anything
06:42 sfan5 ShadowNinja: yes
06:42 * ShadowBot wakes up
06:42 VanessaE markveidemanis: xrandr|grep axis
06:43 sfan5 fail
06:43 VanessaE DFP9 connected 1280x1024+0+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 338mm x 270mm
06:43 ShadowNinja lol
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06:43 khonkhortisan minetestbot only sticks around operators?
06:43 sfan5 i thought minetestbot was not there
06:43 mauvebic xrandr|grep allied
06:43 sfan5 khonkhortisan: no
06:43 markveidemanis i think xrandr is for desktops stuff
06:43 sfan5 i accidently ^C'd it
06:43 VanessaE that'll usually return your screen resolution.
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06:43 khonkhortisan heh
06:43 markveidemanis command/screen/resolution?
06:44 VanessaE markveidemanis: xrandr|grep axis
06:44 sfan5 Screen 0: minimum 320 x 200, current 1366 x 768, maximum 8192 x 8192 <<-- wtf?!
06:44 VanessaE paste one of the resultant lines.
06:44 khonkhortisan You may have to define some new resolutions and refresh rates
06:44 markveidemanis http://pastie.org/7670674
06:44 [0gb_us] kaeza: That game builds both the dungeons and the chests in Lua, so is able to sync them. I'm to add chests in Lua to the C++ generated dungeons.
06:44 markveidemanis oh the whole command...
06:44 VanessaE markveidemanis: ok, 1024x768.  you're at your native resolution already.
06:45 khonkhortisan lol I get that too Screen 0: minimum 8 x 8, current 1440 x 900, maximum 16384 x 16384
06:45 markveidemanis http://pastie.org/7670676
06:45 VanessaE LVDS1 and VGA1?  why do you have two screens connected?
06:45 kaeza [0gb_us], ah!
06:45 markveidemanis I want to: expand my desktop space or ; make the resolution bigger
06:46 kaeza no idea then
06:46 markveidemanis I have a netbook, its not optional lol
06:46 VanessaE markveidemanis: you're kinda screwed really.  you have to run them like that.
06:46 [0gb_us] Thanks anyway. Perhaps I'll just skip that idea.
06:46 VanessaE LVDS1 is your netbook's screen
06:46 VanessaE VGA1 is your external monitor.
06:47 * sfan5 has a screen with lvds lying around, but can't plug it into anything...
06:47 VanessaE you could try stacking them vertically in your config, at least then you'd have no dead zone
06:49 VanessaE markveidemanis: there are really only three ways to deal with this issue:  1. stack the monitors in a configuration that eliminates dead zones, e.g. side by side if the vertical rez is equal, or one above the other if the horizontal is equal (that's you).  2. scale one of the screens up or down to match the other screen's resolution - but this is blurry.  3.  Just deal with having a dead zone.
06:49 kaeza WHOA!
06:49 markveidemanis 3.
06:49 markveidemanis on the small screen i can only see part
06:50 markveidemanis the large screen is on the table and the netbook is on the slidy out thingy
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06:50 markveidemanis i could not find a keyboard so im using the builtin one...
06:50 VanessaE markveidemanis: that's the dead zone I mentioned.
06:50 markveidemanis Can you help with the setup?
06:50 khonkhortisan Could not find keyboard. Press any key.
06:51 markveidemanis lol
06:51 VanessaE the smaller screen is showing you window into the larger one.
06:51 markveidemanis the large screen is on the table and the netbook is on the slidy out thingy
06:51 VanessaE the two are still displaying the same content?
06:51 mauvebic wheres the any key?
06:51 [0gb_us] Maybe I'll put the chests elsewhere, and make them more rare.
06:51 markveidemanis Th power key
06:51 markveidemanis I mean re-place
06:51 markveidemanis with the mouse beside it
06:51 jordan4ibanez realbadangel can I use the technic mining drill picture?
06:51 [0gb_us] As rare as the cats in default, and have them contain REALLY good stuff.
06:51 jordan4ibanez err I mean png
06:51 markveidemanis It cuts like 3 pixels off the left side
06:52 RealBadAngel for what?
06:52 jordan4ibanez My delux snooper drill
06:52 VanessaE markveidemanis: sorry, I don't know how to help :-/
06:52 sfan5 oh.. hi jordan4ibanez
06:52 markveidemanis ok :(
06:52 jordan4ibanez Hello sfan5
06:52 RealBadAngel if you could make head just different colour in case user will want them all together..
06:52 markveidemanis Arrrrggghh
06:53 jordan4ibanez Okay
06:53 markveidemanis Screen looks soo small now i truned big one off
06:53 VanessaE markveidemanis: time to head to google
06:53 RealBadAngel same way as i made them red green blue
06:53 RealBadAngel just pick another colour
06:54 markveidemanis I tried that while you were explaining :)
06:54 VanessaE what video device?
06:54 kaeza sfan5, offtopic: have any experience with Tkinter (python)?
06:55 kaeza been wasting my time making a VS-like formspec designer :P
06:55 sfan5 kaeza: no
06:55 sfan5 :D
06:56 sfan5 what about PyQt?
06:56 kaeza I don't want to depend on huge libs
06:56 kaeza and Tk just gets the job done
06:57 kaeza but IDK how to align text objects ina canvas widget
06:58 kaeza lol
06:58 kaeza got it
06:58 sfan5 align text.... in a canvas...
06:58 sfan5 wut?
06:58 kaeza create_text(anchor=LEFT, ...)
06:59 * arsdragonfly made the map mod work with the cpp version of minetestmapper
07:00 arsdragonfly the map image is too small though :-(
07:00 VanessaE markveidemanis:  what is your video card?
07:00 arsdragonfly I wanna make every map has it's own texture
07:00 arsdragonfly but idk where to start from
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07:05 jordan4ibanez How does this texture look? http://i.imgur.com/ueH1zpT.png
07:08 jordan4ibanez I think I'm going to make an anvil so you can fix the power tools, but instead of having to cook it or use power or whatever, I'll make a hammer, and when you right click the anvil, it takes the tool out of your hand and adds an entity above the anvil, and when you punch the anvil with the hammer it adds some life back into the tool
07:08 jordan4ibanez and takes some life out of the hammer
07:13 markveidemanis video card?
07:13 VanessaE yeah you know the device inside your computer that produces the images you see on your screen? :)
07:14 markveidemanis how do i find that out|
07:14 VanessaE do lspci and look for a mention of a video or graphics adapter
07:14 VanessaE "VGA compatible controller"
07:14 VanessaE or similar
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07:16 arsdragonfly How do I call a callback function when an item is crafted?
07:16 markveidemanis http://pastie.org/7670764
07:17 VanessaE "00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Atom Processor D4xx/D5xx/N4xx/N5xx Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02)"
07:17 VanessaE eek.
07:18 VanessaE unless this works:  http://superuser.com/questions/37079/how-to-get-working-dual-head-on-intel-gm965-gl960-under-linux
07:18 VanessaE then you're kinda SOL :-)
07:19 VanessaE (answer #2)
07:20 jordan4ibanez goodnight
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07:40 sfan5 offtopic:   ([a-z][a-z0-9]*)[ \t]*\(((([a-z][a-z0-9]*)|([0-9]+\.[0-9]*)|([0-9]+)|(".*?")[ \t]*((\+|-|\*|/)[ \t]*([a-z][a-z0-9]*)|([0-9]+\.[0-9]*)|([0-9]+)|(".*?"))*)|(([a-z][a-z0-9]*)|([0-9]+\.[0-9]*)|([0-9]+)|(".*?")[ \t]*(==|!=|<|>|<=|>=)[ \t]*([a-z][a-z0-9]*)|([0-9]+\.[0-9]*)|([0-9]+)|(".*?")),?)\)
07:40 arsdragonfly How to alter a node's texture when it's placed down?
07:40 arsdragonfly omg holy regex
07:40 VanessaE you have to replace the node with a new one.
07:40 sfan5 290 digits
07:40 VanessaE sfan5: regexception!
07:40 arsdragonfly VanessaE :thanks i'll try
07:41 sfan5 VanessaE: it looks so harmless in the header file ;)   #define TR_FCALL        TR_IDENT TR_OWHT "\\((" TR_EXPR ",?)\\)"
07:43 VanessaE heh
07:56 markveidemanis xrandr --output VGA1 -s 1440x900    ??
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08:01 kaeza sfan5, dafuq is that
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08:08 ImQ009 sfan5, tl;dr, mind explaining that regex? :P:
08:09 markveidemanis Can someone suggest me a USB keyboard on Ebay?
08:13 arsdragonfly Is the ObjectRef of the player just "player"?
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08:17 sfan5 ImQ009: http://regexpal.com/?flags=g&amp;regex=(%5Ba-z%5D%5Ba-z0-9%5D*)%5B%20%5Ct%5D*%5C((((%5Ba-z%5D%5Ba-z0-9%5D*)%7C(%5B0-9%5D%2B%5C.%5B0-9%5D*)%7C(%5B0-9%5D%2B)%7C(%22.*%3F%22)%5B%20%5Ct%5D*((%5C%2B%7C-%7C%5C*%7C%2F)%5B%20%5Ct%5D*(%5Ba-z%5D%5Ba-z0-9%5D*)%7C(%5B0-9%5D%2B%5C.%5B0-9%5D*)%7C(%5B0-9%5D%2B)%7C(%22.*%3F%22))*)%7C((%5Ba-z%5D%5Ba-z0-9%5D*)%7C(%5B0-9%5D%2B%5C.%5B0-9%5D*)%7C(%5B0-9%5D%2B)%7C(%22.*%3F%22)%5B%20%5Ct%5D*(%3D%3D%7C!%3D%7C%3C%7C%3E%7C%3C%3D%7
08:17 sfan5 C%3E%3D)%5B%20%5Ct%5D*(%5Ba-z%5D%5Ba-z0-9%5D*)%7C(%5B0-9%5D%2B%5C.%5B0-9%5D*)%7C(%5B0-9%5D%2B)%7C(%22.*%3F%22))%2C%3F%5B%20%5Ct%5D*)*%5C)&input=functioncall(%22abc%22%20%3E%20%22abd%22%2C%2042%2C%2013.37%2C%20variable)
08:17 sfan5 *sigh*
08:28 arsdragonfly on_construct = function(pos)
08:28 arsdragonfly minetest.item_place(ItemStack('map:map'), player, pos)
08:28 arsdragonfly end
08:29 arsdragonfly I tried to replace a node itself with another node when it's placed down
08:29 arsdragonfly but it didn't work
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08:31 arsdragonfly what's wrong with it?
08:43 arsdragonfly nvm I figured that out
08:44 kaeza the arg to item_place should be jusrt the item name; not an ItemStack
08:44 kaeza -r
08:45 kaeza nvm... I was thinking about something else
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09:02 VanessaE morning PA
09:06 PilzAdam Hello everyone!
09:13 kaeza hey Adam
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09:15 [0gb_us] Hey, PilzAdam.
09:17 * ShadowBot wakes up
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09:21 * arsdragonfly finds that minetest crashes when trying to print a nil value instead of printing nil
09:21 [0gb_us] That's a cool feature, ShadowNinja! I take it you got it figured out then.
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09:21 [0gb_us] printdump(nil))
09:22 PilzAdam *print(dump(nil))
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09:46 Calinou http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=85261#p85261
09:46 Calinou lol @ username
09:46 arsdragonfly can i register a node when the server is running?
09:46 PilzAdam arsdragonfly, nope
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09:47 arsdragonfly all right then
09:48 arsdragonfly I went on the wrong way :-(
09:48 rotor112 hi
09:48 rotor112 does this work?      if minetest.env:get_node({x=pos.x-1, y=pos.y, z=pos.z}).groups == snappy then return false end
09:49 PilzAdam nope
09:49 PilzAdam minetest.registered_nodes[minetest.env:get_node(pos).name].groups
09:50 arsdragonfly Is it possible for 1 node to have different textures?
09:50 arsdragonfly or change it's texture when running?
09:51 PilzAdam only with the build in animation
09:51 rotor112 if minetest.env:get_node({x=pos.x-1, y=pos.y, z=pos.z}).name == "group:snappy" then return false end
09:51 rotor112 and this?
09:51 PilzAdam nope
09:52 arsdragonfly then it's hard as hell to write a map mod:-(
09:52 rotor112 why not?
09:53 rotor112 you used it at your clean mod:   nodenames = {"group:old"},
09:54 rotor112 but there it isn't a string
09:54 rotor112 and this worksif minetest.env:get_node(pos).param2 == 0
09:55 PilzAdam arsdragonfly, yes, it is
09:55 rotor112 and does this work?      if minetest.env:get_node({x=pos.x-1, y=pos.y, z=pos.z}).groups.snappy == 3 then return false end
09:55 PilzAdam rotor112, "group:groupname" is not supported everywhere, read lua-api.txt
09:56 rotor112 ok
09:56 PilzAdam I already said you how to do it properly
09:56 rotor112 this isn't group:name
09:56 PilzAdam <PilzAdam> minetest.registered_nodes[minetest.env:get_node(pos).name].groups
09:56 arsdragonfly how to set built in animation then?
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09:56 PilzAdam arsdragonfly, see torch, water or lava in common/default
09:58 rotor112 I don't like these simple animations
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09:59 rotor112 so this wouldn't work     env:find_node_near({x=x,y=ground_y,z=z}, 2+math.random(3), "group:crumbly")
09:59 rotor112 hi
10:00 maxdron hi. Who maintains wiki.minetest.com?
10:00 PilzAdam maxdron, Calinou has an adming account IIRC
10:00 PilzAdam rotor112, that does work
10:00 rotor112 good
10:00 maxdron thks
10:01 rotor112 minetest.org works again
10:02 rotor112 !up minetest.org
10:02 MinetestBot minetest.org:30000 is up (0.243ms)
10:06 rotor112 I think this would lag too much              minetest.registered_nodes[minetest.env:get_node(pos).name].groups
10:06 PilzAdam why would that lag?
10:07 rotor112 I tried sth like this at a sort of timber mod
10:09 rotor112 !c c
10:09 MinetestBot 299 792 458 m / s
10:15 arsdragonfly PilzAdam: Are there any more features in animation exept the listed?
10:15 PilzAdam nope
10:15 arsdragonfly like setting the start X/Y
10:15 arsdragonfly oh
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10:20 rotor112 you coult try ^transform
10:20 Calinou maxdron: ask your question? :P
10:21 rotor112 What's this?  http://www.pilz.com/
10:21 arsdragonfly image[X,Y;W,H;texture_name]
10:21 arsdragonfly what are the variables?
10:22 arsdragonfly the starting/ending coordinates?
10:22 rotor112 where did you find this?
10:22 maxdron calinou: can you enable namespaces in wiki?
10:23 rotor112 !g image[X,Y;W,H;texture_name]
10:23 MinetestBot rotor112: http://dev.minetest.net/formspec
10:23 arsdragonfly on the wiki page of formspec
10:23 arsdragonfly wow
10:23 arsdragonfly MinetestBot : you are awesome
10:23 MinetestBot arsdragonfly: thank google
10:24 rotor112 !b64d dGhhbmtz
10:24 MinetestBot thanks
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10:30 arsdragonfly !up arsenalmp.no-ip.org
10:30 MinetestBot arsenalmp.no-ip.org:30000 seems to be down
10:30 rotor112 !up minetest.org
10:31 rotor112 !up minetest.org 30000
10:31 arsdragonfly !up arsenalmp.no-ip.org
10:31 MinetestBot arsenalmp.no-ip.org:30000 seems to be down
10:31 rotor112 !up arsenalmp.no-ip.org
10:31 arsdragonfly w8 a moment
10:31 rotor112 ok
10:33 rotor112 the bot doesn't like me
10:34 rotor110 !b64d TWluZXRlc3QgaXMgZ3JlYXQh
10:34 MinetestBot Minetest is great!
10:35 Calinou !b64d Calinou
10:35 MinetestBot TypeError: cannot concatenate 'str' and 'Error' objects (file "/home/stefan/mtbot/bot.py", line 162, in <lambda>)
10:35 Calinou huh
10:35 rotor110 you need !b64e
10:36 rotor110 !b64d rotor112
10:36 MinetestBot ®‹h¯]v
10:36 rotor110 !b64d rotor111
10:36 MinetestBot ®‹h¯]u
10:36 rotor110 !b64d rotor110
10:36 MinetestBot ®‹h¯]t
10:37 rotor110 !b64d calinou
10:37 MinetestBot TypeError: cannot concatenate 'str' and 'Error' objects (file "/home/stefan/mtbot/bot.py", line 162, in <lambda>)
10:37 rotor110 !b64e Calinou
10:37 MinetestBot Q2FsaW5vdQ==
10:38 rotor110 !b64d Pilz
10:38 MinetestBot >)s
10:40 rotor110 !b64d OldCoder
10:40 MinetestBot :WB¡×«
10:40 rotor110 was kicked by sfan5: rotor110
10:40 sfan5 !ignore rotor110
10:40 MinetestBot sfan5: 'rotor110' added to ignore list.
10:41 sfan5 i was just thinking about regular expressions for ignoring
10:41 PilzAdam /save and /load finished for worldedit++
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10:44 kaeza anyone knows how to use the new Lua HUD features?
10:44 sfan5 !wik Lua API
10:44 MinetestBot "There is currently no text in this page." - http://wiki.minetest.com/wiki/Lua_API
10:44 kaeza is it documented?
10:45 kaeza sfan5, "There is currently no text in this page."
10:45 PilzAdam kaeza, sure, in lua-api.txt
10:45 sfan5 kaeza: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L1846
10:45 kaeza PilzAdam, the documentation is very scarce
10:46 kaeza I grabbed code from BlockMen's "hunger" mod, but it's not adding the HUD
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10:47 kaeza here's the relevant code: http://pastebin.com/FiHMvnbs
10:51 kaeza dafuq
10:52 kaeza it works ok if I call it from minetest.after()
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11:03 PilzAdam sfan5, is there a size limit for //save for current worldedit?
11:04 PilzAdam I get "error:/home/adam/Minetest/minetest/bin/../builtin/serialize.lua:169: [string "return { { ["meta"] = { ["fields"] = {  }, ["..."]:1: main function has more than 65536 constants" when trying to load huge .we files
11:05 kaeza HAH! https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/100008207/screenshot_656266537.jpg
11:06 kaeza dafuq.. dropbox changed URLs again? O.o
11:06 PilzAdam sfan5, seems like worldedit will crash too, Ill try it
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11:07 PilzAdam yes, worldedit crashes with the same file too
11:08 PilzAdam so there is a limit for /save and /load
11:10 PilzAdam (although only /load will crash then)
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11:20 sfan5 PilzAdam: that not worldedit's fault, its the serialization format that causes this
11:20 PilzAdam yes, I know
11:21 PilzAdam its also not worldedit++'s fault ;-)
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11:53 PilzAdam /copy and /move added to Worldedit++
11:53 PilzAdam ^ VanessaE
11:57 cosarara97 what's the path for world-specific mods?
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11:57 PilzAdam <worldpath>/worldmods/
11:58 cosarara97 thanks, I'll put it on the wiki
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12:30 VanessaE off to bed now.  PilzAdam, I'll check out that update when I get back up.
12:30 VanessaE night all.
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12:48 iqualfragile its 1430 here, thats funny
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13:05 PilzAdam spam? http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=85292#p85292
13:06 [0gb_us] I don't know if it's spam, but it's a lie.
13:06 [0gb_us] dot.tk doesn't do hosting, but the topic title says hosting.
13:07 [0gb_us] dot.tk does "free" domain names and the DNS to go with them.
13:08 [0gb_us] I say "free" because you don't actually own the name, and there are sevral restrictions on its use, but it really is payment-free.
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13:12 bas080 May i request topic move. http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5674
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13:31 Kacey morning
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14:05 markveidemanis Hello
14:05 cosarara97 hello
14:05 markveidemanis I need help with mu screen again
14:05 cosarara97 mu?
14:05 markveidemanis I want to assign a desktop space to a monitor
14:05 markveidemanis 1 being the default one
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14:28 Ristovski minetest uses a shitton of bandwidth seems like
14:31 [0gb_us] It wouldn't' surprise me.
14:32 * Zeg9 is back, hi.
14:32 arsdragonfly How much bandwidth does one player take up?
14:33 kaeza hello Zeg9
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14:36 BackupCoder Kaeza you here?
14:37 Traxie21 ping kaeza
14:37 kaeza BackupCoder, hey
14:37 kaeza hey Traxie21
14:37 kaeza I got pinged twice in a row
14:37 Traxie21|Kindle hai
14:37 * kaeza feels important
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14:38 Traxie21|Kindle I was just assisting OC
14:38 BackupCoder Hi
14:38 kaeza Traxie21|Kindle, https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/100008207/screenshot_656266537.jpg :3
14:39 Traxie21|Kindle sorry kaeza, I cant open links from IRC on a kindle
14:39 kaeza added HUD support to survival_modpack! :D
14:39 Traxie21|Kindle Nice!
14:39 kaeza oh, sorry :(
14:40 Traxie21|Kindle sheet, now I'm behind, HUD for potionspack is still WIP
14:40 kaeza need any help with that?
14:40 Traxie21|Kindle just for a decent timer
14:41 kaeza ah still having problems with that?
14:41 Traxie21|Kindle I keep getting Nil errors that dont tell me where the NIL is..
14:41 Traxie21|Kindle kinda, I cant work on it till monday.
14:42 kaeza lemme see what I can do. is the mod in github?
14:42 Traxie21|Kindle yeah
14:42 kaeza k
14:43 Traxie21|Kindle actually, the timer code I have is commented out
14:43 Traxie21|Kindle http://github.com/Traxie21/potions
14:44 cosarara97 Is there any magic configuration for servers? I just revived mine, but there's a lot of block lag (even though I'm connecting from localhost)
14:44 Traxie21|Kindle btw, your IRC mod is awesome
14:45 Traxie21|Kindle not reallt cosara, try block_transfer_distance and things like that
14:45 Traxie21|Kindle I just mess around until I like it
14:45 kaeza thanks :P
14:46 Traxie21|Kindle What mods are you running?
14:47 Traxie21|Kindle kaeza, they should allow tables of players to be added to chat_send_player to eliminate iterating
14:47 kaeza Traxie21|Kindle, so I only need "potions"? or do I need some other mod?
14:47 hmmmm by the way, i just want to point out that it's very easy to make elements of the HUD blink, for example if health gets too low you can have the hearts blink by changing the texture name of that statbar to "" or something and back on an interval
14:47 cosarara97 carts/    inventory_plus/         minetest-skins/  moretrees/  protectorplus/
14:47 cosarara97 farming/  minetest-mod-mesecons/  mobs/            plantlife/
14:47 kaeza hmmmm, silly question: is the default health bar now implemented as a HUD element?
14:47 hmmmm it's not
14:48 Traxie21|Kindle kaeza, you need potions and potionspack if you dont want to register your own potions
14:48 hmmmm that's going to be very tough to do because of server lag
14:48 Traxie21|Kindle crosshair should be a HUD element
14:48 kaeza hmmmm, not really
14:48 hmmmm 'not really'
14:49 kaeza ...nvm... it is
14:49 hmmmm uh, yes really.
14:49 hmmmm i do know what i'm talking about
14:49 Traxie21|Kindle hmmm, health bar should be fine, its the inventory bar that will be a problem.
14:49 Traxie21|Kindle owait, then the HP system
14:49 Traxie21|Kindle hmm....
14:50 kaeza yeah, damage is "predicted"/whatever in the client
14:50 kaeza but the client must send the "damage" to the server, and it responds back by setting the item value
14:51 kaeza so... lag IS a problem
14:51 Traxie21|Kindle yea
14:51 Traxie21|Kindle anyhow, i gtg, cyas!
14:51 Traxie21|Kindle if you fix potions, pull req please!
14:51 kaeza cya I'll poke around with your mod and see what I can do
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14:58 arsdragonfly hmmmm,how to change the texture of something?
15:00 markveidemanis Shout what you want at the top of a large building
15:00 thexyz what's that uplink.io server?
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15:21 bernatcanal hey
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15:22 Kacey hi Jeija
15:23 Jeija Hi
15:23 Kacey i found a strange bug
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15:24 Kacey !up 67.190.14.129
15:24 MinetestBot 67.190.14.129:30000 is up (0.315ms)
15:27 MinetestBot GIT: Uberi commited to Jeija/minetest-mod-mesecons: Update selection boxes to make building easier. 10bacdd7f4 2013-04-20T08:25:12-07:00 http://git.io/Fko47A
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15:31 [0gb_us] Kacey: Was it a mantis?
15:32 Kacey lol no it was a mesecons bug with luacontrollers but manti are interesting little devils to
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15:36 RealBadAngel hi all
15:36 [0gb_us] Hey, RealBadAngel.
15:36 RealBadAngel just made simple and nice (imho) mod that redefines default glass
15:37 [0gb_us] Defines it as what?
15:37 RealBadAngel http://realbadangel.pl/glass.zip
15:37 RealBadAngel just try it
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15:37 RealBadAngel http://i.imgur.com/v9T5est.png
15:38 [0gb_us] Nodebox glass? Okay ....
15:39 Kacey I've told them a hundred times--don't touch the whatchamacallit because it will make the doohickey not work with the thingamabob!
15:39 sfan5 !g CIRC
15:39 MinetestBot sfan5: https://www.getcirc.com/
15:39 [0gb_us] Kacey, what?
15:40 Kacey I've told them a hundred times--don't touch the whatchamacallit because it will make the doohickey not work with the thingamabob!
15:40 [0gb_us] Yes, I heard you the first time. That was a "What are you going on about?" what.
15:40 [0gb_us] I don't know what you mean.
15:41 ImQ009 MinetestBot, That site missess one "minor" thing
15:41 ImQ009 A VERY minor thing
15:41 ImQ009 What is Circ? :P
15:41 Kacey lol people mess up my stuff that is barely held together by one thing
15:41 ImQ009 WTF
15:41 ImQ009 Did I just answer to a bot?
15:42 [0gb_us] I see. A Github project?
15:42 ImQ009 I should've read the nick first :P sfan5 ^
15:42 MinetestBot ImQ009: i'm not the creator of getcirc.com ;)
15:42 Kacey no just things i build irl
15:42 [0gb_us] Ah.
15:42 RealBadAngel how do you like such glass?
15:42 ImQ009 Jeez.
15:43 ImQ009 I still don't belive I actually did that :P
15:43 [0gb_us] WHat is the is the benefit of turning glass into node boxes?
15:43 RealBadAngel to see glass node frames
15:43 [0gb_us] Hmm.
15:43 RealBadAngel before they were invisible
15:44 sfan5 RealBadAngel: looks really nice
15:44 [0gb_us] I think I like seeing the back side of the glass, but not the sides that touch other glass. If you know what I'm trying to say.
15:44 RealBadAngel i know
15:44 kaeza small question: can I set the color of a "text" HUD item?
15:44 Kacey i want a connected texture api
15:44 RealBadAngel its possible of course to make glass nodes join with each other
15:45 hmmmm kaeza, yes.. it clearly says so in the documentation
15:46 RealBadAngel in fact i think i will write glass joins right now
15:47 kaeza hmm
15:47 RealBadAngel im using similar code for many things already
15:48 PilzAdam hands: http://ompldr.org/vaTV0dA/Unbenannt.png
15:49 * sfan5 sees german
15:49 sfan5 and wtf?! hands??
15:50 khonkhortisan I finally found a windowless door in homedecor
15:51 kaeza how is this? https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/100008207/screenshot_673413811.jpg
15:52 PilzAdam kaeza, you know that this doesnt look good?
15:52 kaeza yeah :(
15:52 khonkhortisan that has a double edge
15:52 * PilzAdam never saw a good looking HUD with the new HUD API
15:53 PilzAdam maybe the HUD API sucks, need to try it sometime
15:53 khonkhortisan If mods can make absolutely-positioned hud stuff, mods will overlap what they are drawing. Someone will have to make another mod that stacks all the hud stuff, which other mods then depend on
15:53 kaeza I could use some kind of "anchor" instead of the silly "position"
15:54 kaeza if the HUD looks good in 1024p, it looks crammed on 800p
15:54 kaeza and if it looks good on 800p, it looks too spaced in 1024p
15:55 RealBadAngel PilzAdam, what do you think about this glass modification?
15:55 PilzAdam what?
15:56 RealBadAngel http://i.imgur.com/v9T5est.png http://realbadangel.pl/glass.zip
15:57 PilzAdam the backface of glass is not drawn to make it as transparently as possible
15:57 [0gb_us] Those poor people. What monster cut off their hands and threw them in PilzAdam's lake?
15:57 RealBadAngel PilzAdam, that is not a feature, its a bug rather
15:57 PilzAdam [0gb_us], /fixlight arround a huge block of flying gravel
15:58 khonkhortisan that looks like clean glass
15:58 PilzAdam RealBadAngel, there is a reason why it is like it is
15:58 RealBadAngel yeah, bug :)
15:58 [0gb_us] What plugin adds /fixlight?
15:58 kaeza *mod
15:59 PilzAdam [0gb_us], its a command of Worldedit++ that digs air in an area to fix shadows
15:59 [0gb_us] The mod plugin? Never heard of it.
15:59 [0gb_us] Okay, cool.
15:59 PilzAdam and orginal worldedit has that too
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16:00 RealBadAngel PilzAdam, but seriously im suprised you dont like minecraft looking glass ;)
16:00 kaeza RealBadAngel, the removed backfaces makes the glass look like big windows and such. I like them as they are now.
16:00 RealBadAngel wait till you will see glass nodes joining
16:01 RealBadAngel in minecraft they do that with joined textures
16:01 RealBadAngel i will do it different way
16:01 [0gb_us] I hope I'm here when you finish that. I' hate to miss it because I'm asleep, or something.
16:02 [0gb_us] *i'd
16:02 [0gb_us] *I'd
16:02 RealBadAngel gonna take an hour or two i think
16:03 * [0gb_us] tries to stay awake that much longer
16:03 Calinou minecraft textures are not joined as of 1.5
16:03 Calinou and if you're talking about connected textures, it's a mod, optifine implements that :P
16:03 Calinou see ctm.png
16:04 RealBadAngel propably yes, i liked that feature
16:04 PilzAdam RealBadAngel, hows minetest.conf GUI going?
16:04 RealBadAngel it allowed to make huge glass surfaces
16:05 RealBadAngel PilzAdam, waits for other things to be finished first. in general im adding now drawtype = mesh
16:05 RealBadAngel just took a little break to let mind rest
16:05 RealBadAngel played a bit and changed the glass meanwhile
16:07 RealBadAngel i think i will make glass joinin directly in the engine
16:07 RealBadAngel similar way fences are workin
16:08 Calinou we need a way to have raillike nodeboxes (nodeboxes that are definited client-side, like rails)
16:08 Calinou would allow for customizable fences with better collision and selection
16:08 Calinou without definiting their direction server-side
16:08 Calinou (less hacky, prediction, less server load)
16:08 OldCoder NEWS: I am shutting down my worlds for backups
16:08 RealBadAngel no point in adding dozens of new nodes when i can modify nodeboxes on the fly in the engine
16:09 [0gb_us] OldCoder: Noted.
16:09 Calinou that's what I'm talking about
16:09 Calinou ability to define several nodeboxes client side, just like textures with raillike drawtype
16:09 [0gb_us] How long does it take to back up so many worlds, OldCoder?
16:10 OldCoder Several minutes to stop the worlds to begin with [0gb_us]
16:10 OldCoder Then a while to make a ZIP
16:10 OldCoder Then I must start the worlds again
16:10 OldCoder Might be 15 to 45 minutes total
16:12 RealBadAngel Calinou, you just need to define rules on which nodeboxes shall be added to form connections
16:12 celeron55 < RealBadAngel> http://i.imgur.com/v9T5est.png http://realbadangel.pl/glass.zip
16:12 celeron55 that's simply wrong
16:13 celeron55 it works currently as designed
16:13 celeron55 if you want that, use the allfaces drawtype or whatever it is
16:13 RealBadAngel none of aviable drawtypes allows that
16:13 RealBadAngel only nodeboxes
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16:15 RealBadAngel besides i want the frames to join to form glass surfaces
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16:17 Kacey note to self ... for once in your life ... learn from your mistakes ... next time you feel a sneeze coming on ... PUT THE COFFEE DOWN ...
16:18 babyface1031 lol
16:18 Kacey There's nothing like getting out of bed to a cup of coffee and going outside to get a breath of air when you suddenly realize you forgot to put your pants on.
16:19 babyface1031 lol you are making my day Kacey
16:19 Kacey lol i always do
16:20 Kacey me + coffee + status shuffle = awesome
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16:24 Kacey hi rarkenin
16:27 jordan4ibanez We should liven up the minetest reddit
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16:28 Kacey Initializing all systems... Loading... Loading... Checking caffeine intake... Fatal error 32: caffeine levels too low! Main processor shutting down...
16:34 jordan4ibanez lol!
16:35 jordan4ibanez I love this snooper drill I came up with, you can use it as an OP pickaxe, or you can right click, and it will remove all stone in a radius of 2, so you can snoop for ores
16:35 Kacey jordan4ibanez, do you have a minetest black server?
16:36 jordan4ibanez I don't like to run servers anymore, I'm not equiped to do so
16:36 Kacey aah
16:36 Kacey ok
16:36 Kacey could you add xytest to MTB?
16:37 jordan4ibanez What is it?
16:38 Kacey right now: a mod that adds crafting recipes for dyes and a few blocks and 2 ores. Later: multiblock tanks and awesome things
16:40 jordan4ibanez No thanks dude
16:40 Kacey creative mode doesn't work
16:42 Kacey i need a craft guide but idk the recipe for mtb
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16:43 BlockMen hi
16:43 jordan4ibanez Why not look at the wiki kacey?
16:43 jordan4ibanez Hi BlockMen
16:43 Kacey ooh lol
16:43 BlockMen PilzAdam, how do i override item_eat() ? it does not work...
16:44 BlockMen hi jordan4ibanez
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16:46 PilzAdam BlockMen, yes, that probably wont work
16:47 BlockMen hmm...ic. nice idea anyway...
16:47 sfan5 jordan4ibanez: yes, we should
16:48 jordan4ibanez sfan5: :D I'm trying to make imgur love minetest with my mods but r/minecraft has a strangle hold D:
16:48 sfan5 /r/minecraft ?
16:50 jordan4ibanez Yes
16:50 kaeza ugh, when using huddef.direction = 1, it draws the wrong half of the texture if odd number >.<
16:51 Kacey huh cgmr isnt working on mtb
16:52 kaeza https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/100008207/screenshot_676980698.jpg
16:53 khonkhortisan minetest doesn't have very many doors that lock from one side
17:01 jordan4ibanez kaeza: o/
17:01 kaeza \o
17:01 kaeza still in the works tho'
17:02 kaeza this Lua HUD thing is nowhere near what would be called in the least "flexible", but oh well, *it's something*
17:03 jordan4ibanez http://imgur.com/gallery/lgwvJ/new
17:04 kaeza :D
17:04 kaeza that will be awesome to find those pesky diamonds :D
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17:05 kaeza inb4 spam
17:05 khonkhortisan I didn't like the drill until I saw the pictures
17:05 markveidemanis Hi
17:05 celeron55 the lua HUD is terrible, but it's a start :P
17:05 khonkhortisan it's a regular high-powered mining tool, that makes you go through the effort of separately digging ores
17:05 kaeza indeed
17:06 markveidemanis khonkhortisan
17:06 markveidemanis 86.158.246.201
17:06 khonkhortisan yes?
17:06 khonkhortisan k
17:06 celeron55 there are many kinds of positioning situations that it can't handle properly
17:06 markveidemanis showing off my bigger screen :_)
17:06 celeron55 but they can be added
17:06 celeron55 (once people even know what is actually needed)
17:07 kaeza I don't expect it to add a GUI-Toolkit-like packing algorithm, but at least some kind of anchor would be nice
17:08 kaeza like "this thing goes 0.1 units to the left of this other item"
17:08 kaeza or perhaps absolute pixel offsets
17:09 celeron55 being able to position an element based on it's corners, center and any corner-center combination on different axes would be very useful, and additionally some kind of named anchors (even some kind of named auto-incrementing anchors)
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17:10 celeron55 (like one at the top left of the inventory hotbar, where one can place a statbar positioned by it's -X+Y corner, and if an another one is placed, it'd be put on top of the other one 8)
17:10 celeron55 +)
17:11 celeron55 not very easy to do but it's still kind of easy to see what is needed for flexible-enough positioning
17:11 markveidemanis Minetest crashes when i go fullscreen
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17:12 celeron55 and actually, not very hard either; i hope somebody finds the time to implement such
17:16 khonkhortisan VanessaE, you shouldn't need separate left and right-handed versions of the same door
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17:19 Jordach john_minetest, hey
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17:21 markveidemanis khonkhortisan: UP
17:21 markveidemanis i crashed then screwed up the screen so i could not see lol
17:22 Calinou hearts are still ridicously big when using large heart textures :(
17:22 Calinou in 256× MCE my 10 hearts are bigger than hotbar
17:22 Calinou in 1920×1080
17:23 khonkhortisan I just had some snow fall into shallow water, now the water is flowing around it.
17:26 john_minetest Jordach, hey
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17:27 ShadowNinja PilzAdam: Any comments? https://github.com/minetest/common/pull/30
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17:28 sfan5 :O http://c55.me/random/2013-04/mock1.png
17:28 jordan4ibanez \o/
17:30 PilzAdam ShadowNinja, its good
17:38 ShadowNinja PilzAdam: Can you please pull it then?
17:38 PilzAdam later
17:40 jordan4ibanez for the snooper shovel, should it try to see if there is a node within the crumbly group next to your shovel in the inventory, and only drop dug nodes that are that item?
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17:49 kaeza http://m1.paperblog.com/i/66/665075/humor-internet-explorer-10-L-_HNAjZ.jpeg
17:50 Traxie21|Kindle lol
17:58 markveidemanis khonkhortisan, you can paint now
17:59 kaeza http://www.somethingofthatilk.com/comics/502.png
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18:17 Jordach sfan5, it looks good
18:17 sfan5 Jordach: what?
18:17 Jordach the mock1.png
18:19 sfan5 that's made by celeron55
18:19 sfan5 *that was
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18:40 jordan4ibanez At first I thought I found an epic mountain http://i.imgur.com/XdWo7tE.png But then the terrain generator smacked me in the face http://i.imgur.com/u2CYBPN.jpg
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18:55 hmmmm hardly an epic mountain :/
18:55 hmmmm why not play around with the terrain scale if you want epic mountains
18:55 kaeza [15:54:07] <ToApolytoXaos> I think Lua should cutely adapt a little recursive acronym for meetings and seminars. "Lua's undeniable awesome [L.u.a]"
19:00 Kacey jordan4ibanez, can you move players with the node gun?
19:01 jordan4ibanez That's a good idea, but no, only nodes
19:01 Kacey aww there needs to be a gravity gun that move entities and a gravity node gun that moves everything
19:02 jordan4ibanez that would be hard to do, since it would have to handle every entities velocity/excelleration
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19:10 mauvebic you missed the dancing midgets
19:10 VanessaE heh
19:11 PilzAdam VanessaE, I almost managed to crash your server
19:11 VanessaE hmmmm: told you the HUD element positioning (re: kaeza) and texture size (re: Calinou) would be a problem ...
19:11 VanessaE PilzAdam: how so?
19:11 PilzAdam the item drop mod you have should check if digger is nil
19:11 PilzAdam if I run /dig on some nodes, all are dropped as entities
19:12 hmmmm how is it a problem?
19:12 VanessaE RealBadAngel:  ^^^^^^^^^
19:12 hmmmm it's working properly as intended
19:12 hmmmm if you want small hearts, you have to scale them down yourself now, that's all
19:12 VanessaE hmmmm: kaeza wants some kind of relative slotted positioning, calinou implies the images need to be scaled.   fwiw:  20 px is the optimal size of a HUD image/
19:12 RealBadAngel i have fixed item drop to work properly
19:13 hmmmm i want slotted positioning too.  making that happen is a whole other story.
19:13 VanessaE RealBadAngel: evidently not if the digger is nil :)
19:13 hmmmm i don't really care what the optimial size of a hud image is, you scale it down
19:13 mauvebic slotted = like the formspecs? what would be the grid size for the whole window?
19:13 hmmmm i am not about to go restrict the users' freedom when it really doesn't need to happen that way
19:14 mauvebic might be confusing if the formspec gridsize is different
19:14 VanessaE mauvebic: yes, but formspecs can be drawn smoothly too, you don't actuall yhave to stick right to the slots.
19:14 hmmmm waaah i have to open a single texture up in an editor and click a couple buttons and then save it
19:14 VanessaE mauvebic: you can, for example,position a box at 1.2345 x 4.567 relative coords if you want.
19:15 mauvebic i havent done anything with the hud yet, im assuming its using pixel placement?
19:15 PilzAdam VanessaE, ping me if you have updated worldedit++
19:15 kaeza hmmmm, it's not about texture resizing; some mods may want to use default textures in the HUD, which could be replaced by higher-res versions
19:15 VanessaE hmmmm: for me, the issue is more a matter of forward-compatibility:  if some user has a big-ass 4k screen, I want those hearts to be drawn at a much-higher-than-16px resolution wherever possible.
19:16 hmmmm that's an issue which cannot be solved unless you want to add more complication
19:16 Jordach why cant we do what html divs do
19:16 hmmmm so now you want to scale the hud relative to absolute screen size
19:16 Jordach when w = 8-%
19:16 mauvebic formspecs are nothing like html
19:16 VanessaE hmmmm: do it the way the hotbar is drawn.  It is scaled relative.
19:17 hmmmm i'd have to add an option for that somehow
19:17 mauvebic though for lua you could probably come up with some sort of hud-css lol
19:17 mauvebic *from lua
19:18 mauvebic if you could poll the screen size, could you use transform functions on the heart?
19:19 VanessaE PilzAdam: why should digger even be nil?  it should be set to the name of the player that executed the dig function.
19:19 VanessaE (that doesn't solve the item_drop issue though)
19:19 PilzAdam that would move all the nodes into the players inventory
19:19 PilzAdam wich isnt good at all
19:20 VanessaE you still need to make it behave properly with node_ownership
19:21 VanessaE (/replace, /setarea, /dig, etc)
19:21 PilzAdam yea
19:21 PilzAdam thats somewhere at the bottom of my TODO list
19:22 PilzAdam does Worldedit work with it?
19:23 VanessaE I've never tested it.
19:23 VanessaE to that end I mean
19:23 VanessaE though I *think* I did get stopped by n_o once, don't remember what it was
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19:23 VanessaE (might have been the //replace command)
19:24 emptty I'm probably stupid, but could someone tell me what's the difference between build games, survival ones and minetest_game ones  ?
19:24 emptty it's not part of the git repo description, unfortunately
19:24 PilzAdam currently theres not much difference
19:25 PilzAdam but the goals of these games are different
19:29 jordan4ibanez pilzadam do you know a way to make entities physical but not collide with other entities?
19:30 PilzAdam nope
19:30 PilzAdam except making a 0 collisionbox
19:30 PilzAdam but I think thats not what you meant
19:31 jordan4ibanez semi-physical, collides with nodes, not entities
19:31 emptty Can I trust the info of http://multa.bugs3.com/minetest/forum/listing.php?id=mod  ? ie, are they still kinda uptodate?
19:32 emptty I find the list much easier to navigate than the forums, and I try to understand why this is not listed from the main site
19:32 PilzAdam its not complete
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19:35 Calinou_ (shortened a bit)
19:35 Jordach /nick Calinou
19:36 PilzAdam VanessaE, Worldedit already has "2", and I want to differ
19:36 Kacey bbl
19:36 VanessaE PilzAdam: gotchya
19:37 PilzAdam its is restarted?
19:37 VanessaE Calinou_: I've been testing some moreblocks stairs/slabs with the screwdriver, seems to work great.  you can safely remove all "upside down", "wall", etc slabs and stairs.
19:37 VanessaE Calinou_: I think it would be reasonable to alias them all to each respective "normal" one.
19:38 VanessaE forget the conversion ABM's unless someone complains
19:38 VanessaE PilzAdam: indeed yes.
19:38 Calinou_ I could just remove all upside down variations and tell people to use screwdriver, and place stuff upsidedown automagically when placing on a ceiling
19:38 VanessaE PilzAdam: it only takes ~5 seconds for the server to restart after I shut it down
19:38 Calinou_ would work
19:38 VanessaE Calinou_: yes.
19:38 VanessaE Calinou_: and "wall" varieties too.
19:38 VanessaE and all "sideways" objects
19:38 Calinou_ wall varieties, not really
19:39 VanessaE yes, even those
19:39 Calinou_ what if you want to place stairs on a wall
19:39 VanessaE rotate them.
19:39 VanessaE everything can be rotated to any orientation
19:39 VanessaE all you need to do is set the facedir properly on placement.
19:39 Calinou_ talking about legit gameplay
19:39 VanessaE me too
19:40 Calinou_ if you want to place slabs or stairs to climb up a wall in a mine, you do not want them to be placed in their wall variation
19:40 VanessaE oh I see
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19:40 VanessaE hm
19:40 Calinou_ upsidedown when placed on ceiling is understandable, wall when placed on a wall could have a lot of side effects
19:40 VanessaE well either way, get rid of *all* of the similar nodes
19:40 VanessaE if it can be rotated, let the user use a screwdriver to do it.
19:40 Calinou_ I'll do that when I get to my desktop, not now ;)
19:41 Jordach ^ craptop user
19:41 Jordach oh wait, im using one
19:41 Jordach s/crap/lap
19:42 * VanessaE counts...    you can reduce it from 30 nodes per material type to just 9.
19:42 Calinou_ programming on 10.1" screen != fun
19:42 ImQ009 >Calinou_ and programming
19:42 mauvebic netbook?
19:42 Calinou_ and small keyboard with no numpad :P
19:43 Calinou_ yeah
19:43 mauvebic yeah
19:43 mauvebic ive done it by necessity, but its not always easy
19:43 mauvebic it took me 3 months to get used to the 80% keyboard
19:43 mauvebic kept tapping the wrong keys all the time at first lol
19:43 mauvebic i dont look where i type or type like a secretary with two fingers lol
19:44 VanessaE stair, corner stair that looks like a whole block with one microcube missing, panel, microcube, half stair, 1/4, 1/2, 3/4 slabs, and the corner stair that looks like a slab with microblock on it.
19:44 VanessaE everything else can be created from various rotations of those, including some blocks that don't exist now (I have one such in my house)
19:44 mauvebic anyway, wife wants to play the sims, bbl
19:45 Jordach Calinou_, oh fuck
19:45 Jordach i hate limited keyboards too
19:45 Jordach (they piss me off too)
19:46 Exio coding in a netbook isn't that hard
19:47 Exio it is hard when you are used to a "big" keyboard
19:49 jordan4ibanez http://www.midiplaza.com/songs/DragonForce-Through-the-Fire-and-Flames/209/
19:51 Calinou_ roboman didn't like you song, joran
19:51 Calinou_ jordan4ibanez*
19:51 john_minetest Modeling in blender without a numpad is really complicated.
19:51 jordan4ibanez he probably cried lol
19:53 STHGOM REALLY complicated.
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20:03 VanessaE PilzAdam: lag = big website upload in progress that is sucking up all my upstream bandwidth.  Shall I cancel it?
20:04 PilzAdam no, I try again later
20:04 VanessaE ok
20:04 PilzAdam ping me if youre done
20:04 VanessaE it's really no trouble to restart it.
20:04 VanessaE in fact I need to cancel it anyways, it's out of date.
20:06 VanessaE go ahead and sign back on and resume what you were doing if you want to.  I'll upload later when the server's idle (it needs to be - it's part of my backup procedure)
20:06 STHGOM bye mates
20:09 Calinou_ VanessaE, tip: wondershaper :P
20:09 Calinou_ install it, sudo wondershaper <network interface> <down> <up> (in kilobits, not kilobytes)
20:10 Calinou_ if you reach the bandwidth you set, it will prevent congestion if you're not using all bandwidth available
20:10 VanessaE ah, nice
20:10 Calinou_ useful to play when downloading/uploading ;)
20:10 VanessaE so, done rewriting stairsplus + circular saw yet? :D
20:11 Calinou_ no, later :P
20:11 VanessaE :P
20:14 VanessaE there, files are updated and now uploading the right ones :-)
20:14 VanessaE (wondershaper for later)
20:18 Exio Calinou_: i prefer trickle
20:18 Exio or did i miss some word
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20:34 cosarara97 When I dig 2 blocks in my server, the second one re-appears. What can I change to fix that?
20:37 Calinou_ /set -n disable_anticheat true
20:37 Calinou_ not permanent, edit minetest.conf and add "disable_anticheat = true"
20:38 cosarara97 It's still happening. What does the -n do, btw?
20:39 jojoa1997|Tablet good news
20:39 Calinou_ maybe "new", create the setting if it doesn't exist
20:39 Calinou_ /help set
20:40 jojoa1997|Tablet XD i forgot what i was going to say
20:40 cosarara97 jojoa1997|Tablet: :(
20:40 jojoa1997|Tablet oh wait i remember
20:40 Calinou_ tablet user ^
20:40 jojoa1997|Tablet i got minitest's crafting table to work when clicked
20:41 jojoa1997|Tablet and surivival now has a background
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20:41 celeron55 Calinou_: why are you always saying "-n"
20:42 cosarara97 celeron55: I needed it
20:42 celeron55 Calinou_: -n is for setting settings that don't exist yet
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20:42 celeron55 so that by leaving it out, you can't flood the configuration file with random typoed settings that have no effect
20:43 Calinou_ probably an attitude that I got because I couldn't create settings back in march 2012 or so :P
20:43 Calinou_ iirc, I remember doing /set time_speed 1 and it didn't work
20:43 Uberi maybe you didn't have time_speed already in your config?
20:43 Calinou_ also, disable_anticheat doesn't exist by default, it's not put in minetest.conf
20:44 cosarara97 Oh wait, it's working now
20:44 Calinou_ and most people don't have disable_anticheat = false in their minetest.conf, it would be redundant
20:44 celeron55 Uberi: it's always in defaultsettings.cpp
20:44 Calinou_ ah, ok
20:44 PilzAdam Uberi, https://github.com/PilzAdam/worldedit_pp
20:44 jojoa1997|Tablet !c 6/16
20:44 MinetestBot 0.375
20:44 jojoa1997|Tablet sweet it works
20:44 celeron55 all settings except some that mods have invented themselves always exist
20:45 Uberi neat!
20:45 Uberi lemme take a look through the code
20:45 VanessaE Uberi: you and PilzAdam need to merge those projects :-)
20:45 VanessaE the way he does worldedit is VERY smart
20:45 PilzAdam VanessaE, merge is almost impossible
20:46 PilzAdam you need to rewrite everything to fit my system
20:46 jojoa1997|Tablet PilzAdam i got inventory working
20:46 jojoa1997|Tablet also cactii are now nodeboxes
20:46 PilzAdam Uberi, did you know about the limit of worldedit schems?
20:46 Uberi still reading the README, actually
20:46 PilzAdam (in latest format version)
20:46 Uberi PilzAdam: nope
20:47 Uberi something to do with limits of minetest.serialize?
20:47 PilzAdam http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/2013-04-20#i_3034179
20:47 PilzAdam yes
20:47 Uberi looking
20:47 VanessaE offtopic:  more homedecor updates pushed today, just bugfixes and minor tweaks.  HDX got a couple of nice updates also
20:47 Uberi aw poop it's that old Lua limit
20:48 Uberi OK, thanks PilzAdam I will investigate
20:49 PilzAdam the main idea of Worldedit++ is to run 512 actions per server step
20:49 PilzAdam with this speed you dont experince lag at all
20:49 PilzAdam *experience
20:49 Uberi apparently it is fixed in LuaJIT 2.0
20:49 Uberi which version does T use?
20:49 Uberi * MT
20:50 Uberi (my M key is acting up, seems like a hardware issue)
20:50 VanessaE whatever's on your system.
20:50 VanessaE (I use LuaJIT from git, myself)
20:50 Uberi which one does PilzAdam's build use?
20:50 jojoa1997|Tablet has anyone thought of adding to minetest a way to define wether you can place on something or near something
20:52 PilzAdam Uberi, I have no idea what version of LuaJIT my build use, Im just happy that I found a .lib and .dll for windows
20:52 VanessaE it's probably 2.0.1+hotfix
20:52 Uberi hmm, in that case constant slots should be unlimited...
20:53 PilzAdam in my Linux build I use 2.0.0~beta9
20:54 Uberi well, http://lua-users.org/lists/lua-l/2010-03/msg00238.html states "This problem is not present in LuaJIT 2.0.", so I guess the best solution is to get it upgraded somehow
20:54 Uberi for now I need a workaround
20:55 Uberi seems like it was fixed in LuaJIT stable
20:55 PilzAdam the problem does appear in LuaJIT 2.0 for me
20:56 Calinou_ Version: 2.0.0~beta9+dfsg-2
20:56 VanessaE hence why I build against git :)
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20:56 Calinou_ ^ quantal has this luajit for info
20:56 Uberi PilzAdam: this is stable LuaJIT, yes?
20:56 PilzAdam Calinou_, yes, thats the one Im using
20:56 jojoa1997|Tablet PilzAdam i am using the item_drop from minetest-black because it allows you to drop one item at a time not the entire stack
20:56 PilzAdam Uberi, "beta9" doesnt sound stable
20:57 Uberi I believe the newspost refers to stable, so I guess the issue was fixed after beta9
20:57 Uberi anyways I still need to find a solution
20:58 Uberi (and hopefully avoid writing a parser for the thing)
20:59 PilzAdam whatever you do, I have to do the same in worldedit++ :-)
20:59 PilzAdam do you plan to change the format in the future?
20:59 Calinou_ raring will have 2.0.0+dfsg-1
20:59 Uberi PilzAdam: I hope this is the last one, the MT serialization format should be more than flexible enough
21:00 Calinou_ cool, one more reason to upgrade :p
21:00 Uberi all previous formats will be supported forever, of course
21:00 PilzAdam Calinou_, is there ever a reason not to upgrade?
21:00 PilzAdam Uberi, not in worldedit++
21:00 Uberi whoa lua HUDs!
21:00 PilzAdam I only support current format
21:01 Uberi I have to go check this out later
21:01 jojoa1997|Tablet PilzAdam if i use lua hud in minitest will it be compatable with non dev games
21:01 PilzAdam can someone write a converter from previous to current formats?
21:02 Uberi PilzAdam: sure, I think that might be a better idea than bloating up //serialize and //allocate
21:02 Calinou_ PilzAdam, yes, to troll mark shuttleworth
21:02 PilzAdam Calinou_, good point
21:02 VanessaE bbl
21:03 Uberi aww, I have to write a parser to do this
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21:05 jojoa1997|Tablet paramtype2?
21:06 Calinou_ hi kaeza
21:06 Calinou_ jojoa1997|Tablet, afaik no
21:06 Calinou_ just tell people to get dev builds :P
21:06 khonkhortisan *digs* *cobble comes back* *digs again* *tnt-sized group of cobble falls* *attack of the killer cobble!*
21:06 Uberi PilzAdam: was this where you got the DLL, by any chance? https://github.com/malkia/ufo/raw/master/bin/Windows/x86/luajit.dll
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21:07 PilzAdam Uberi, yes
21:08 kaeza hai Calinou_
21:09 jojoa1997|Tablet is there a way to make a player get hurt when touching a certain nodebox
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21:09 Calinou_ damage_per_second hurts when inside a node, must be non-walkable
21:09 Uberi hmm, LuaJIT 2.0 stable came out 12 days after the build was made
21:09 cosarara97 how can I make an unknown node disappear?
21:10 jojoa1997|Tablet dig it
21:10 cosarara97 I can't
21:10 Calinou_ (she said, but true)
21:10 Uberi dig harder
21:10 Calinou_ in 0.4.6 you can
21:10 celeron55 place something to the position where it is
21:10 ShadowNinja Uberi: lol
21:11 PilzAdam cosarara97, use worldedit ++ and plain the whole reagion!
21:11 cosarara97 D:
21:12 Uberi cosarara97: use //p set, punch it twice, then use //set air
21:12 cosarara97 Uberi: I don't have worldedit installed
21:12 PilzAdam delete map.sqlite
21:13 cosarara97 PilzAdam: and / ;)
21:13 Uberi cosarara97: you should! :P
21:13 cosarara97 okay, let's install worldedit
21:13 Uberi PilzAdam: found a Jan 2013 dll, will test if problem still exists
21:13 PilzAdam nooo
21:13 PilzAdam cosarara97, use worldedit++
21:13 Uberi aw no it's statically linked!
21:13 PilzAdam https://github.com/PilzAdam/worldedit_pp
21:14 Uberi or use PilzAdam's new WE++ :)
21:14 Uberi PilzAdam: does it have full feature parity?
21:14 Uberi //rotate, //transpose, etc?
21:14 PilzAdam nope
21:14 cosarara97 okay, okay, just promise it wont just delete map.sqlite when run, lol
21:14 Uberi planning to add those?
21:14 PilzAdam all commands are listed in the README
21:15 PilzAdam yea, maybe worldedit++_plus for extra commands :-)
21:15 Uberi cosarara97: no warranties! but it shouldn't do that
21:15 PilzAdam (like farming_plus)
21:15 Uberi PilzAdam: WorldEdit+++
21:15 Deivan Calinou_, try catch the cgmr:pc and deploy again if you don't see the form.
21:15 PilzAdam I dont want it to be bloated
21:15 Calinou_ wrong guy ö_ö
21:15 Deivan oo
21:15 Deivan Sorry.
21:16 Uberi PilzAdam: I do think it should be merged/made into an API though, WorldEdit is going to have worldedit_infinity, worldedit_gui, and worldedit_limited eventually
21:16 Calinou_ np :)
21:16 PilzAdam yea
21:16 PilzAdam recode the whole thing again!
21:16 Uberi (infinity is an addon that gives the player infinite reach)
21:16 Deivan Yes, yes, I seeking the Sapier...  lol
21:16 Deivan :D
21:16 Deivan AFK
21:16 Uberi but first I need to finish worldedit_items for that to work
21:17 Deivan How is the correct form to make my function delay some time before a action?
21:17 Deivan Ie: 10 seconds.
21:18 Uberi minetest.after, Deivan
21:18 Deivan Ok, I am using it.
21:18 Deivan Thanks.
21:18 cosarara97 I don't know how to use this thing, old worldedit was easier :P
21:19 cosarara97 What does /p# do?
21:19 Uberi cosarara97: which one are you using?
21:19 Uberi ++ has different commands
21:19 cosarara97 Uberi: ++
21:19 PilzAdam cosarara97, /p1 sets position 1
21:19 cosarara97 I know how tu use non-++ worldedit
21:19 PilzAdam /p1p sets it to the next punched node
21:19 Uberi cosarara97: might as well install it too: https://github.com/Uberi/minetest-worldedit
21:19 Uberi the chat commands don't conflict, after all
21:20 PilzAdam Uberi, I originally made WE++ just for me
21:20 PilzAdam because Worldedit sucks
21:20 PilzAdam or the version I tried once
21:21 PilzAdam (the player position wasnt rounded correctly, etc.)
21:21 PilzAdam and the most annyoing thing was the huge lag
21:21 Uberi yeah that was bugging me a bit too before
21:22 cosarara97 well, I managed to remove the unknown node
21:22 Uberi congrats
21:22 Uberi how?
21:22 cosarara97 those selection boxes are really nice, by the way, PilzAdam
21:22 cosarara97 Uberi: select with /p1p and /p2p and /dig
21:23 Uberi cool
21:23 cosarara97 PilzAdam: can I unselect?
21:23 PilzAdam no
21:23 PilzAdam just do /marker off to remove the markers
21:24 Uberi argh I found a luajit buildbot but it only went up to beta8 _
21:25 PilzAdam Uberi, btw: check to not crash when hitting the limit: https://github.com/PilzAdam/worldedit_pp/blob/master/init.lua#L1145
21:25 Uberi that's a good idea
21:26 PilzAdam it also tends to crash here if the file is corrupted: https://github.com/PilzAdam/worldedit_pp/blob/master/init.lua#L249
21:26 PilzAdam (x being nil)
21:27 PilzAdam but I dont want to add a check there because it would slow it down too much (maybe)
21:27 Uberi well, doing all those checks would reduce perforance
21:27 Uberi yeah
21:27 PilzAdam and its very unlikely to crash there if it passes the first test
21:28 Uberi argh these LuaJIT 2.0.1 are 64 bit only!
21:29 * PilzAdam doesnt understand why there are no official LuaJIT win builds
21:29 Uberi anyways, I guess this means I will be writing a parser
21:29 Uberi LuaJIT's speed should partially make up for this
21:30 PilzAdam there are 2 things that lag in WE++: loading and saving files
21:30 PilzAdam i.e. serialiation and writing/reading
21:31 Uberi PilzAdam: because of minetest.deserialize?
21:31 PilzAdam I need to find a way to split that into parts and execute it in steps too
21:31 Uberi PilzAdam: do you have any big saves I can test with?
21:31 PilzAdam Uberi, I dont know if minetest.serialize()/deserialize() or file:write()/read() takes longer
21:31 Uberi I only have rather small ones for my mesecons machines
21:32 PilzAdam I just have randomly selected a huge are an then /save
21:32 PilzAdam the file was > 30Mib
21:32 Calinou_ Uberi, hello 32 bit user
21:32 Calinou_ how's 2^32
21:32 PilzAdam serilization + writing has lagged the server > 2 minutes
21:32 Uberi o/
21:33 Uberi Calinou_: quite well thank you
21:33 * Calinou_ runs 64 bit on his netbook, while his netbook was shipped with 32 bit windows
21:33 Calinou_ same for old laptop
21:33 * khonkhortisan minimized minetest and is watching himself place nodes
21:33 Uberi Calinou_: believe me, I'm itching to upgrade :)
21:35 PilzAdam buying another 32 Bit shouldnt be that expensive...
21:37 Uberi computers don't exactly grow on trees
21:37 STHGOM no?
21:37 Uberi not yet, at least
21:38 kaeza Calinou_, https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/7346553344/hF2F1FD0E/
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21:38 jojoa1997|Tablet this is killing me
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21:39 Pentium44 Kacey, you here?
21:40 Calinou_ lol kaeza
21:41 Kacey ya
21:41 Calinou_ TF2 ftw :P
21:42 bas080 making abstract trees mod. https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/419967/Screenshots/Screenshot%20-%2004202013%20-%2011%3A41%3A13%20PM.png Finished the palmtree model. Adding and updating jungletree mod.
21:43 Kacey Pentium44, what do you want me for?
21:43 kaeza still stuck with TFC :(
21:43 kaeza (crappy gfx card here)
21:44 STHGOM bye
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21:59 Jordach its quiet
22:00 PilzAdam no, some guy named Jordach speaks to himself
22:00 Jordach lol
22:01 Jordach im just stating the obvious
22:03 WiredOnLinux Kacey, hello pm
22:04 kaeza who is pm? lol
22:04 kaeza punctuation matters :P
22:05 Exio kaeza still alive
22:05 Exio did you get your inet at home back?
22:05 Exio :D
22:05 kaeza I'm a zombie
22:05 Exio D:
22:05 * Exio bites kaeza
22:05 PilzAdam /givem default:shovel_steel
22:05 PilzAdam *giveme
22:05 * PilzAdam hits kaeza's head away
22:06 Exio /giveme default:pick_mese
22:06 * Exio digs a tunel and goes away
22:06 kaeza /giveme ignore
22:06 kaeza (yep it works :D )
22:06 PilzAdam CHEATER SPOTTED!
22:06 Exio what the fuck?
22:06 PilzAdam well, a headless, zombie cheater
22:07 Exio kaeza: i want a preprocessor+macros, closures and high order functions in bash
22:07 Exio code them, bash is C!
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22:07 kaeza Exio, let google do the work for me ;)
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22:08 kaeza also, PilzAdam is this any better? https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/100008207/screenshot_676980698.jpg
22:08 PilzAdam s/google/startpage/g
22:08 PilzAdam kaeza, yes
22:08 kaeza (don't mind the crappy textures)
22:08 PilzAdam but everything is better than the previous one
22:08 PilzAdam so thats not a compliment at all
22:08 kaeza left is hunger, right is thirst, top is oxygen
22:09 PilzAdam IMO you can remove the symbols for oxygen and thirst
22:09 PilzAdam and maybe move hunger to the top of thirst
22:12 PilzAdam R.I.P: Uberi|Away
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22:12 Uberi he eez not deaad
22:12 Uberi I am heem
22:13 * Uberi strokes his clearly false moustache
22:17 kaeza cool.. this does not look ugly now, and is perfectly scalable (at least looks good on 700p and 1024p): https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/100008207/screenshot_696539664.jpg
22:17 kaeza 800p*
22:17 Uberi kaeza: the glass thing is overlapping the apple thing
22:17 PilzAdam best idea of the day by: PilzAdam :-p
22:17 Uberi otherwise very nice
22:18 kaeza Uberi, the icons will prolly go away in favor of better "bar" mages
22:18 Uberi ah cool
22:18 kaeza images*
22:18 kaeza I'm just playing around with the layout to see what works best
22:19 Uberi anyways I am going to continue writing the WE format parser
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22:19 Kacey Uberi, i tried making a clock
22:19 Uberi you ean like the watch od?
22:20 Uberi ugh y keyboard is acting up again
22:20 Kacey lol
22:20 Kacey no the digital mesecons clock
22:20 Uberi oh I see
22:20 Uberi how'd it go?
22:20 Jordach when i use the word cunts, im angry
22:20 Jordach http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=85431#p85431
22:21 Kacey the minute display never worked, so i didnt contiu=nue
22:21 Uberi Kacey: didn't work? if you want I can join the server and troubleshoot
22:22 PilzAdam Jordach, honestly, with this attitude, Im glad you dont develop minetest
22:23 Jordach PilzAdam, i never bothered due to this anti new dev attitude
22:23 PilzAdam also, RBA isnt a new dev
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22:23 PilzAdam FYI hes even a core dev
22:23 Jordach you treat him as if he is one
22:23 Kacey Uberi, sure let me start it
22:24 Jordach bbl
22:24 PilzAdam Jordach, Im judging code, no matter who wrote it
22:24 Jordach merge it then clean it
22:24 Uberi might not the reverse order work as well?
22:24 Kacey nvm it works...
22:24 Kacey but go ahead and join
22:24 Uberi cool, whats the ip?
22:24 PilzAdam Jordach, why should I rewrite the whole code of others if they want it to be merged?
22:24 Kacey !up 67.162.156.91
22:25 MinetestBot 67.162.156.91:30000 seems to be down
22:25 Uberi is 0.4.6 stable OK?
22:25 Pentium44 !up minetest.ltmnet.com
22:25 MinetestBot minetest.ltmnet.com:30000 is up (0.493ms)
22:25 Pentium44 awesome
22:25 Pentium44 I love that bot
22:25 Uberi I think lua HUD buped the protocol version
22:26 PilzAdam quote of the day: "Go to hell and die. Or make a fork." – c55
22:27 Pentium44 lul
22:27 Uberi yeah a revival of BlockPlanet should satisfy the people who want the wip stuff
22:27 Pentium44 i guess in not going to hell and dying
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22:28 Exio where is the ABM for the "sharing grass" or w/e it is?
22:28 Uberi Exio: content_abm.cpp
22:29 Uberi (in src)
22:29 PilzAdam Exio, you mean dirt -> dirt_with_grass?
22:29 Exio yep PilzAdam
22:29 Exio i'll check Uberi, thans
22:29 Exio thanks *
22:29 PilzAdam that one is in content_abm.cpp
22:29 Uberi no problem :)
22:29 PilzAdam Exio, also the tree growing ABM is there
22:30 Exio i see
22:30 Uberi Kacey: trouble connecting :/
22:30 RealBadAngel http://i.imgur.com/NyuxeDF.png
22:30 Kacey !up 67.162.156.91
22:30 MinetestBot 67.162.156.91:30000 seems to be down
22:30 RealBadAngel how do you like this glass drawtype?
22:30 Uberi niiiiice
22:31 Uberi nodedef in meta?
22:31 RealBadAngel no, new drawtype
22:31 Uberi ah
22:32 RealBadAngel quite similar in work to fences. glass nodes autoconnect to form surfaces
22:32 khonkhortisan weather mod's snow eats stairs
22:32 Exio all the dirt created with my experiments with liquid_grass/stone/dirt is now grass :D
22:32 Kacey !up 67.162.156.91
22:32 MinetestBot 67.162.156.91:30000 is up (0.311ms)
22:32 Kacey there
22:32 PilzAdam khonkhortisan, yes, also snow needs to eat something!
22:36 Uberi Kacey: soething wrong with privs
22:36 ShadowNinja |
22:37 Kacey fixed
22:42 khonkhortisan it doesn't check that the node above is air, it just checks that there's enough light
22:42 kaeza you know what? I'm nuking survival_modpack and rewriting from scratch
22:43 kaeza the API was useful when meters where implemented as tools, but since we have custom HUDs now, it's not needed
22:50 VanessaE back
22:50 Exio wb
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22:53 Deivan Someone have a example of the minetest.show_formspec() function?
22:53 kaeza Deivan, https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/100008207/bookex.zip
22:53 Deivan Thanks.
22:53 kaeza it's a bit simple, but gets the work done
22:55 Deivan Is the point. :D
22:55 Deivan AFK
22:55 [0gb_us] I'm looking for ideas for something that spawns in large plentiful deposits underground. Like, deposits so large that finding a full map block containing only that node wouldn't be too uncommon. So it can't be something overly valuable.  Does anyone here have any ideas?
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22:55 kaeza SPAAAAAAAAM
22:55 kaeza :P
22:55 Uberi o/
22:55 Uberi PilzAdam: just to be clear, the WE issue affects //save AND //load correct?
22:56 PilzAdam only //load
22:56 Uberi I have the basic escape handler for the parser down, it's very fast still
22:56 Uberi PilzAdam: so inetest.serialize is not faulty?
22:56 Uberi excuse the keyboard
22:56 PilzAdam nope
22:56 kaeza jojoa1997|Tablet, do not add survival to minitest just yet
22:57 Kacey Uberi, go ahead and get on my server
22:57 Kacey !up 67.162.156.91
22:57 MinetestBot 67.162.156.91:30000 is up (0.318ms)
22:57 Uberi Kacey: I gotta fix WorldEdit first :)
22:57 jojoa1997|Tablet Kaeza OK.
22:57 PilzAdam Uberi, or at least, we dont know since we cant deserialize and check
22:57 PilzAdam but its unlikely that its buggy
22:57 Uberi that's true
22:57 jojoa1997|Tablet Kaeza I plan on making firearms mod-addon to add nerf guns
22:57 khonkhortisan what worldedit issue?
22:58 Kacey Uberi, still having a small glithc
22:58 Kacey glitch*
22:58 Uberi oh?
22:58 Uberi for the clock right?
22:58 jojoa1997|Tablet Bbs
22:59 PilzAdam khonkhortisan, a limit for /load schems
22:59 PilzAdam LuaJIT related
22:59 Kacey yep
22:59 Uberi need a workaround until we upgrade to new LuaJIT
23:00 PilzAdam Uberi, would it be a huge performance decrease if we first try minetest.deserialize() and fall back to your workaround if it fails?
23:00 khonkhortisan Oh that. I've gotten that loading a connectfour circuit
23:01 khonkhortisan it had CONTENT_IGNORE holes through it too
23:01 Uberi I don't think the workaround would ake uch of a perforance difference for anything saller than those 65000 nodes
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23:01 Uberi khonkhortisan: no no that's a different issue where we need force_load entities to solve
23:01 PilzAdam khonkhortisan, the bug is not about CONTENT_IGNORE, but a crash when laoding the file
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23:02 Uberi I just need to test a few things now
23:03 VanessaE [0gb_us]: some blend of stone, cobble, dirt (re: the big perhaps mapblock-sized globs of whatever it should be)
23:03 VanessaE think of the usesdirt mod, for example.  One of the nodes in there may be suitable.
23:05 PilzAdam its late again :-/
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23:06 PilzAdam bye
23:14 Deivan Well...  I am searching here and the entire submodule diamonds is the same default diamonds then...  I only have a difference, I made new textures.
23:15 Deivan I don't know if I give it to the current mod or if I only remove from the lava cooling...  :-/
23:17 Deivan VanessaE, I lost all sounds from doors, I don't rear nothing...
23:17 VanessaE Deivan: doors have no sounds as far as I am aware.
23:17 Deivan Is it... :d
23:17 Kacey i am in an argument about minetest bieng an indie game or not
23:17 Deivan I have doors default and from glass, all with sounds, when I open some of homedecor doors I miss it. :D
23:18 harrison http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3EwouS5ro0&amp;feature=youtu.be
23:18 VanessaE Deivan: I'll consider adding sounds to homedecor doors at some point.
23:18 Deivan Nice.
23:18 Deivan :)
23:19 Deivan Well, maybe borrow the current sonds at last?
23:19 Deivan Maybe, in the current version...  :d
23:19 VanessaE maybe
23:19 VanessaE or I'll come up with my own
23:19 Deivan Is a idea. :D
23:20 jojoa1997|Tablet harrison what is that?
23:20 Deivan I will try fix the mineral detector and the teleport mods here...  AFK
23:21 harrison a cover version of zppa's song "camarillo brillo" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camarillo_Brillo
23:22 jojoa1997|Tablet oh i didnt have noise on
23:22 jojoa1997|Tablet what was the video of?
23:25 harrison i choose to answer that by directing your attention to the previous N films in that youtube channel
23:25 harrison where N is a large integer
23:26 Uberi and has a positive sign
23:29 harrison thus my motto
23:29 harrison CYGNUS INTER ANATES
23:34 kaeza crapity crap
23:34 kaeza it seems you cannot modify the "text" of a "text" hud item on the fly :(
23:35 Uberi what? really?
23:35 harrison i must also mention spasim.org : i hope that clarifies it
23:36 kaeza Uberi, player:hud_change(id, "text", "trollolo") does not werk
23:36 kaeza :(
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23:36 Uberi maybe reove and readd?
23:37 kaeza that's what I did
23:37 Uberi and that didn't work either?
23:37 kaeza BTW, anyone interested, here's a stupid "clock" HUD item based on the time of day in-game: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/100008207/testclock.zip
23:38 kaeza jojoa1997|Tablet, ^
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23:41 Exio flowing leaves :D
23:42 khonkhortisan I'm a tree climber, I want climbable leaves
23:42 Exio haha
23:42 Exio a whole sea of leaves
23:42 jojoa1997|Tablet O.O
23:43 jojoa1997|Tablet i just figured out that if you middle click in blender you move the camer
23:43 jojoa1997|Tablet camera
23:43 jojoa1997|Tablet i have been using my number pad the entir time
23:44 kaeza congrats! you just solved one of the mysteries of blender. you still have 8925613548912534 to go :P
23:44 kaeza seriously, blender interface sucks
23:44 jojoa1997|Tablet nope
23:44 Uberi how so?
23:44 jojoa1997|Tablet 8926513548912533
23:45 jojoa1997|Tablet i just soleved the mystery of why there are so many mysteries
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23:45 jojoa1997|Tablet oh and the interface really sucks
23:45 kaeza well, I come from using ArtOfIllusion and Anim8or
23:45 jojoa1997|Tablet i dont know anything and i spend more time trying to figure it out than to code a mod
23:46 kaeza and I feel like blender is the vim (or even emacs) of 3D modelling programs
23:47 Uberi kaeza: I used Anim8or before blender, that thing was great
23:47 ShadowNinja Powerfull but hard?
23:47 ShadowNinja Me too
23:48 Uberi although after using blender for 5 minutes I needed the Extrude feature :)
23:48 Uberi and so Ani8or was relegated to the great recycling bin in the sky
23:48 * ShadowNinja uses vim, but gedit is generaly easier
23:48 kaeza not yet, I still have my copy :P
23:48 Uberi not to mention it hasn't been updated in over a literal decade
23:48 Exio geany > gedit
23:49 kaeza Exio, o/
23:49 iqualfragile vim > *
23:49 Uberi geany is the best
23:49 jojoa1997|Tablet kaeza that mod doesnt work
23:49 ShadowNinja iqualfragile: lol
23:49 Exio vim > geany > gedit
23:49 Exio yes
23:49 kaeza leafpad > *
23:49 kaeza <*
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23:49 jojoa1997|Tablet line 7
23:50 jojoa1997|Tablet math.mod
23:50 Uberi I tried Vim, the modal editing is great but it can't even handle a few GB sized files
23:50 jojoa1997|Tablet what is it meant to be
23:50 kaeza jojoa1997|Tablet, great bug report :)
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23:50 jojoa1997|Tablet math.random?
23:50 jojoa1997|Tablet kaeza it is your mod
23:50 kaeza math.mod == math.mod
23:50 Exio module
23:50 jojoa1997|Tablet kaeza did you test this mod?
23:51 jojoa1997|Tablet attempt to call dield 'mod' (a nil value)
23:51 kaeza no I just released it not working</sarcasm>
23:51 jojoa1997|Tablet field
23:51 kaeza jojoa1997|Tablet, works here
23:51 kaeza are you using LuaJit?
23:51 jojoa1997|Tablet yes
23:52 jojoa1997|Tablet i am using pilzadams latest build
23:52 jojoa1997|Tablet it is the lua hud one
23:52 kaeza dafuq
23:52 kaeza LuaJit has no math.mod() ?
23:52 Exio i'm using the nearly lastest
23:52 Exio with luajit
23:52 Uberi just use x%y instead of math.mod(x,y)
23:52 Exio what mod?
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23:52 Uberi there's a built in modulo operator
23:52 kaeza Uberi, does lua support % operator?
23:52 Exio (mod in terms of mods)
23:53 Uberi no need to use the ath lib
23:53 Uberi of course
23:53 kaeza hmm
23:53 Uberi it's also faster,I ight add
23:53 Exio works for me
23:53 kaeza first time I hear of that one, but indeed works
23:53 Exio if the mod is the clockything
23:54 kaeza yep
23:54 jojoa1997|Tablet one sec
23:54 Exio debian6, luajit
23:54 jojoa1997|Tablet dos your games have this commit? https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/527deb947ca992d2b0533db02eddf38e8150960b
23:55 kaeza jojoa1997|Tablet, change line 7: from math.mod(math.floor(x), y) to "math.floor(x) % y"
23:55 Exio nope, lemme try
23:55 jojoa1997|Tablet NO ME
23:56 YoungDerp bbiab
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23:56 jojoa1997|Tablet works
23:56 jojoa1997|Tablet noppe
23:56 jojoa1997|Tablet oh wait
23:56 Exio last commit
23:57 Exio git pulled 1 minute ago, compiled and mod working
23:57 Exio at least on minimal :)
23:57 jojoa1997|Tablet ok it loaded
23:58 jojoa1997|Tablet works
23:58 jojoa1997|Tablet though why do texture packs weird out
23:58 Exio layer 8 problems
23:58 Deivan joined #minetest
23:58 jojoa1997|Tablet my hearts are longer than inven hotbar
23:59 jojoa1997|Tablet GOT SPHAX_DB_CRAFT
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23:59 jojoa1997|Tablet lol

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