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00:03 jordan4ibanez My brain recursively is telling me I did something wrong on github, and it's slightly going away, but I checked everything and I did nothing wrong, I think I'm subconciously regretting adding the craftguide mod in, but I don't want to clutter the wiki with craft recipes
00:23 jordan4ibanez is there a way to get the player's velocity?
00:24 mauvebic if there isn't than you can write a function to poll the players' position and derive it from there
00:24 jordan4ibanez that's too hacky
00:24 mauvebic whats the difference?
00:24 mauvebic p2-p1
00:24 mauvebic weather someone else writes it or you
00:25 jordan4ibanez weather is nice today, but no, I don't want to run a global getplayer velocity for a little thing, I'll just get the sneak
00:26 mauvebic english aint my first language so drop the grammar nazi bit mkay
00:26 jordan4ibanez TOO LAYET
00:27 mauvebic and no, theres only getvelocity for lua entities, according to lua_api.txt
00:29 jordan4ibanez Das poop
00:29 mauvebic "‘Real men wear kilts’: Men boost sperm quality, fertility rates by wearing traditional Scottish garb"   <--- mandresses lol
00:30 mauvebic so long as they dont have a matching murse
00:31 jordan4ibanez I would love a murse
00:31 jordan4ibanez to store my mog in
00:32 jordan4ibanez something to wash that mog down with http://youtu.be/A793c4u-VZw
00:32 mauvebic of course i knew that from watching frasier ten years ago lol
00:34 jojoa1997|Tablet yay i just saw horses were added to minecraft
00:34 jordan4ibanez Yay, it's a couple years overdue though
00:35 jordan4ibanez I'm a rest00pid, I never saw the minetest.get_item_group(name, group) function and used the function below it all this time
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00:45 jojoa1997|Tablet redstone is officially added to minitest
00:45 Exio hi
00:48 Kacey jojoa1997|Tablet, why would you add that when we have mesecons?
00:48 Kacey mesecons has much simpler rules than redstone
00:49 jojoa1997|Tablet Kacey it is mesecon with changes to make like redstone
00:49 jojoa1997|Tablet mainly ashtetic but other stuff also
00:50 * Kacey finds this a strange idea
00:50 Exio because minetest needs to suck
00:50 Exio er, i mean, needs to be like MC
00:50 jojoa1997|Tablet minitest
00:50 VanessaE Exio: minitest
00:50 jordan4ibanez would find_node_near cause a lot of lag with a radius of 4?
00:50 Exio er that
00:51 VanessaE jordan4ibanez: not really, no, as long as you aren't executing it 10x a second or something
00:52 Exio [21:34:01] <jojoa1997|Tablet> yay i just saw horses were added to minecraft
00:52 Exio was that serious
00:52 Exio or just kidding
00:52 * Kacey wants to finish his giant mesecons project
00:53 jojoa1997|Tablet serious but
00:53 jojoa1997|Tablet the dev launcher needs me to log in
00:53 jojoa1997|Tablet problem is one i have not bought it and two i forgot my login infoe
00:53 Exio ?
00:53 jordan4ibanez http://goo.gl/VzGSS This is nice
00:54 Exio jordan4ibanez: get an account, buy it
00:54 Exio or get someone to pay for it
00:54 jordan4ibanez or go to mineshafter lol
00:54 jordan4ibanez NOT THAT I'M SUGGESTING THAT OR GIVING THE LINK TO THE WEBSITE IF THERE IS ONE
00:54 jordan4ibanez cough
00:56 jordan4ibanez I'm surprised no one has used minetest, singlenode mapgen and mods to create a quake-like game in minetest
01:00 Exio quake-like?
01:00 jordan4ibanez yes
01:00 jordan4ibanez low gravity, guns, etc
01:01 Exio ah
01:05 jojoa1997|Tablet how do i set the player inventory to be 2*2
01:05 jojoa1997|Tablet nvm fixed it
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01:11 Kacey hi OC
01:17 hmmmm [09:00 PM] <jordan4ibanez> low gravity, guns, etc
01:17 hmmmm high latency, etc.
01:17 hmmmm horrible mechanics
01:18 jordan4ibanez Just like the real game :')
01:19 * Kacey is starting to get tired
01:23 mauvebic me too and ive had 3 (half) pots of coffee lol
01:23 jordan4ibanez Not me I had a monster :D
01:24 * Kacey cant drink either or else
01:24 mauvebic oh i gave up energy a long time ago
01:24 mauvebic when i was pushing 60 hours in my store ok, but since then, no thanks lol
01:24 Kacey i turn into spiderman in my mind on energy drinks and a squirrel when i have coffe
01:25 jojoa1997|Tablet anyone have a good compass mod
01:26 jordan4ibanez Ahh the sounds of farming http://freesound.org/people/Slave2theLight/sounds/157105/
01:28 jordan4ibanez I just realized they took banjo threeie and turned it into shit, "Microsoft"
01:31 VanessaE jojoa1997|Tablet: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=3785
01:31 VanessaE but it doesn't use the new HUD.
01:33 jojoa1997|Tablet how can i have redstone_dust be registered as that and as mesecons:mesecon_000000_off
01:34 Exio aliases
01:34 jojoa1997|Tablet oh i se
01:34 jojoa1997|Tablet see
01:34 jojoa1997|Tablet i never made recipes for the reverse conversiont
01:35 VanessaE minetest.register_alias("mesecons:mesecon_000000_off", "redstone:redstone_000000_off")
01:35 VanessaE and the same for the other 63 possible variations of those 0's.
01:36 VanessaE and I think there's one that's just mesecons:mesecon_off also.
01:36 VanessaE and don't forget the vertical ones also.
01:37 Exio don't forget the others 1000 ones, also ;)
01:37 VanessaE and mese is treated as an all-way, non-insulated junction.
01:37 Kacey huh my clock isnt wanting to work
01:37 mauvebic ‘I can’t believe this!’: Man watches Texas fertilizer plant explode after narrowly missing Boston Marathon bombs <--- bad-luck guy should stay home for awhile lol
01:39 mauvebic kinda like Violet Constance Jessop who survived both the sinking of Titanic and Brittanic lol
01:39 jojoa1997|Tablet can i do math.random on ores?
01:39 jojoa1997|Tablet on the drops
01:39 VanessaE no
01:39 VanessaE now
01:39 VanessaE there IS a way to randomize the drops
01:40 jojoa1997|Tablet ok how
01:40 VanessaE but not with math.random
01:40 jojoa1997|Tablet what is it
01:40 jojoa1997|Tablet TELL ME
01:40 VanessaE lemme check
01:40 jordan4ibanez xD
01:40 * jojoa1997|Tablet plays elevator music
01:40 VanessaE https://github.com/VanessaE/moretrees/blob/master/node_defs.lua#L91
01:40 ShadowNinja jojoa1997|Tablet: Look at the leaf drop code
01:40 jordan4ibanez play this http://youtu.be/aS40K53JQIg instead
01:40 VanessaE notice the "rarity" field in the first of the two "items=" lines.
01:41 [0gb_us] http://homestuck.bandcamp.com/track/elevatorstuck
01:41 ShadowNinja !title [url last]
01:41 ShadowBot ShadowNinja: Add support for IPv6 by matttpt · Pull Request #365 · minetest/minetest · GitHub
01:41 jojoa1997|Tablet ok i did that with gravel
01:41 VanessaE jojoa1997|Tablet: rarity is, I believe, "1/this" probability
01:41 VanessaE so 50 = 1/50 = 2% probability
01:42 Kacey if event.type == "program" then
01:42 Kacey mem.accept = {[2]=true, [3]=true, [4]=true, [5]=true, [6]=true, [8]=true, [9]=true}
01:42 Kacey elseif event.type == "digiline" then
01:42 Kacey port.a = mem.accept[event.msg.minute]
01:42 Kacey port.b, port.d = port.a, port.a
01:42 Kacey end
01:42 Kacey oops sorry
01:42 jojoa1997|Tablet shoot
01:43 VanessaE what?
01:43 jojoa1997|Tablet you cant define how many drops though
01:43 VanessaE how many?
01:43 jojoa1997|Tablet that is for droping different stuff
01:43 VanessaE oh
01:43 ShadowNinja I think you can
01:43 VanessaE just add more items= lines
01:43 VanessaE with different probabilities
01:43 jojoa1997|Tablet oh yeah i saw that but dismissed it
01:44 jojoa1997|Tablet what is max_items
01:44 VanessaE if you set rarity to 1, I *believe* that's equivalent to just leaving it out (= you always get this item on drop 100% of the time)
01:44 VanessaE max_items = maximum number of items from the list of drops you can receive at one ti,me
01:44 VanessaE time*(
01:45 jordan4ibanez This really is awesome http://goo.gl/tddmt
01:45 VanessaE so if it's 1 as in this case, you can only get one item at a time from the drop list, which in this code is either leaves OR sapling
01:45 Exio don't enable that, i want infinite stuff >:D
01:45 jojoa1997|Tablet o
01:45 jojoa1997|Tablet oh
01:45 VanessaE if I had a third item, say default:dirt, then I would only get one dirt OR one leaves OR one sapling (and the sapling would still be at 1/100 rarity if I didn't change that)
01:46 VanessaE get it?
01:46 ShadowNinja !title [url last]
01:46 ShadowBot ShadowNinja: Add support for IPv6 by matttpt · Pull Request #365 · minetest/minetest · GitHub
01:46 ShadowNinja Oh, it is ignoring links here
01:46 VanessaE ok that's a little misleading
01:47 VanessaE for a second there it looked like a pull request had been merged, which of course makes no sense :)
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01:47 ShadowNinja lol
01:50 tripod ha
01:50 mauvebic are the pictures of kepler 62e/62f real or artistic depictions?
01:50 jordan4ibanez both
01:51 Kacey ohh boy c55 is going to have a fit over all of these bots
01:51 ShadowNinja Kacey: lol, mine's dormant currently
01:51 VanessaE mauvebic: artistic.  we don't have the tech to even image Pluto, let alone an exoplanet :)
01:51 VanessaE not from earth anyway
01:52 mauvebic thats what i figured but alot of sites dont bother to state it lol
01:52 VanessaE all we can get for direct imaging, if you can even call it that, is vague infrared blobs
01:53 Kacey or a picture of the who.e freaking universe!!!!
01:53 mauvebic add to that the chances of ever visiting them are infinitesimal lol
01:53 mauvebic barring the mastery of wormholes
01:53 VanessaE mauvebic: well we have right around 50 years left to invent warp drive..  maybe. :)
01:53 Kacey http://www.nasa.gov/images/content/690951main_hs-2009-31-a-xlarge_web.jpg O.o
01:53 mauvebic or learn to recycle everything
01:54 VanessaE Kacey: the Hubble Deep Field Survey, also knows as the "Jewel Box"
01:54 VanessaE galaxies are much easier to image than planets.
01:54 Kacey 50 years? lol i only need 49 and a half
01:54 VanessaE mauvebic:  hand in your geek card.
01:55 VanessaE in 50 years, it'll be 2063.  surely you know what event is supposed to happen in that year (and I think in April, yet)
01:55 mauvebic dont have one lol if you think im insane enough to want to work with that personality type all day long lol
01:55 jojoa1997|Tablet good news
01:55 Kacey VanessaE, what is supposed to happen?
01:55 VanessaE jojoa1997|Tablet: what, Microsoft went out of business? :)
01:55 mauvebic thats what i like about shops and customers - they eventually leave lol
01:55 VanessaE Kacey: the maiden voyage of the Phoenix, of course.
01:56 jojoa1997|Tablet nope i was wondering if you all had any ._.
01:56 Kacey Phoenix?
01:56 mauvebic though eventually scarcity will rule out planned obsolescence of all the crap we buy
01:56 VanessaE Kacey: the ship that Zephram Cochrane launched as the first working warp drive.
01:56 VanessaE (Star Trek)
01:56 Kacey aah
01:57 Kacey i wont name it the Phoenix
01:57 VanessaE forget flying cars (Back to the Future), I want warp drive :)
01:57 Kacey i would name it something along the lines of "I Win, You Lose"
01:57 mauvebic with population control, changes in consumption habits, reforestation, etc. ,we could last a while longer
01:58 mauvebic our parents didn't live with as much crap as we have, and our grandparents got by with even less
01:58 VanessaE Kacey: it was named Phoenix because, in the Star Trek timeline, there had been a pretty devastating war war in the years prior, and the ship was built from a leftover war rocket.
01:58 Kacey i had a girl in my social studies class that asked the stupidest question ever
01:58 mauvebic a missile casing
01:59 VanessaE and since the first real life space shuttle was named "Enterprise", now we HAVE to name it Phoenix :)
01:59 VanessaE mauvebic: you sure it was just the casing?  I thought it was stated as being the majority of the missle.
01:59 Kacey "why didn't america call britain and say 'we're gonna bomb you?'"
01:59 mauvebic cockpit was made from scrap metal
01:59 Kacey So many things wrong with that question
02:00 VanessaE mauvebic: no.  The cockpit was made of titanium, which had to be purchased.
02:00 Kacey it was during the revolutionary war
02:00 mauvebic america didn't need to bomb britain - they waited for the european powers to fight themselves to exhaustion in the last war :p
02:00 Kacey alright, im off to bed
02:00 mauvebic revolutionary war? what bombs? lol
02:00 VanessaE unless you mean scrap as in extra, rather than rummaging through dumps et.al
02:00 mauvebic cant lob cannon balls across the atlantic
02:00 khonkhortisan bring the lighter-than-air machines
02:01 mauvebic though i heard they had some sort of primitive sub back then
02:01 VanessaE well he DID say it was a stupid question, While they would never have crossed the atlantic, we *did* have low-end rockets back then
02:02 mauvebic though the south did try to get the british and french to sign on to their side during that war
02:02 mauvebic though without any major victories to show for it, that didn't happen
02:02 VanessaE not sure what the state of the art was in subs back then, if they existed at all.
02:03 mauvebic http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Submarine#First_military_models
02:03 mauvebic (1862) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:USS_Alligator_0844401.jpg
02:04 mauvebic little more than underwater coffins lol
02:04 khonkhortisan human powered submarine. What happens first, you get there or you run out of air?
02:06 lordcirth khonkhortisan, I believe they had a snorkel if needed
02:07 VanessaE 1775, wow
02:07 VanessaE didn't know they went that far back.
02:08 VanessaE 1620 for the first application, wow
02:09 khonkhortisan Don't use a snorkel, it breaks your ears
02:11 lordcirth khonkhortisan, how so? also would be on the sub, not the pilot
02:12 khonkhortisan The engine snorkel, when closed, causes the engine to suck sub air while shutting down
02:19 * khonkhortisan moves worldedit_pp into worldedit/
02:20 mauvebic well considering they had primitive tanks during ww1, and machine guns before that, the subs dont surprise me that much
02:24 jordan4ibanez Lol if we did this in the default game there would be complaints out the buttcheeks http://goo.gl/LnNmv
02:28 khonkhortisan bah, who cares about keeping worlds pristine? *installs moretrees, farming, plantlife* what mobs should I get?
02:30 VanessaE :)
02:31 VanessaE khonkhortisan: use the 'newstuff' branch of moretrees while you're at it.  stairs/slabs.
02:32 khonkhortisan done. I'll try mob_framework, it looks realistic enough.
02:34 khonkhortisan Is nature pack compatible with plantlife?
02:34 VanessaE I'm not sure
02:34 VanessaE no one's ever let me know if it is, and neko259 ain't been around lately to update it
02:35 VanessaE (says he's too busy with school)
02:36 khonkhortisan looks like it wouldn't be in its entirety, it also has flowers.
02:36 VanessaE well you can just delete flowers from plantlife
02:36 VanessaE it is a modpack, technically
02:36 VanessaE and I tried to maintain the legacy API but I don't know if it still works.
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02:39 khonkhortisan Looking at the code, I don't see a limit for papyrus height.
02:41 khonkhortisan haha animals_modpack crashes on registering a craft
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03:04 jordan4ibanez https://github.com/jordan4ibanez/Minetest-Black/wiki/Pilzadam's-Farming I'm not sure if I should move the trivia tips into how to farm, or I should put, "Read Trivia for more details"
03:15 khonkhortisan Does this page exist?
03:15 jordan4ibanez What?
03:15 khonkhortisan Both the last wiki link and this take me to the Create New page
03:16 khonkhortisan but the wiki button works
03:16 khonkhortisan how odd. Clicking it through the wiki gets me there, even though it's the exact same link
03:16 jordan4ibanez Well I just updated it, maybe that could be why
03:17 khonkhortisan nope, it's the escape on the apostrophe
03:17 khonkhortisan "Pilzadams-Farming" vs. "Pilzadam%27s-Farming"
03:18 khonkhortisan How did you copy the link?
03:18 khonkhortisan It shows an an apostroph in my url bar, but when I copy it it adds the escape.
03:18 jordan4ibanez so this link doesn't work? https://github.com/jordan4ibanez/Minetest-Black/wiki/Pilzadam's-Farming And I just copied it from the top of the page
03:19 jordan4ibanez Maybe I should remove the ' so it doesn't cause issues
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03:19 khonkhortisan that link doesn't work but this one does https://github.com/jordan4ibanez/Minetest-Black/wiki/Pilzadam%27s-Farming
03:20 jordan4ibanez Is this better? https://github.com/jordan4ibanez/Minetest-Black/wiki/Pilzadams-Farming
03:20 khonkhortisan Now the original link works :)
03:20 khonkhortisan and the escaped one doesn't
03:20 khonkhortisan oh I thought seeds came from dirt
03:21 jordan4ibanez Oh whatever, I'll just leave the ' in
03:21 khonkhortisan Does grass grow naturally?
03:21 jordan4ibanez No seeds come from grass in my version, I changed multiple things, and yes it does
03:23 khonkhortisan skylands doesn't exist
03:23 jordan4ibanez You can't get to the page?
03:23 khonkhortisan yep
03:23 khonkhortisan from tnt
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03:24 jordan4ibanez Fixed :D
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03:25 jordan4ibanez I think I'm going to use worldedit to spawn islands in the sky instead of those ugly ore gens, generate single node ore veins with a special node, and on_create the node spawns an island in it's position
03:25 jordan4ibanez would create some epic terrain
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03:36 khonkhortisan I thought item_drop made it into minetest. That's what I get for cloning modpacks.
03:39 jordan4ibanez That will probably never make it into minetest, people whine way too much
03:39 VanessaE I have it (as part of technic) on my server.
03:39 khonkhortisan that's how I got it
03:39 VanessaE it takes getting used to.
03:39 khonkhortisan You can give things to people when they're not looking
03:39 ShadowNinja I like item pickup, drop not so much
03:40 khonkhortisan Also, it makes building in the air affect the ground
03:54 khonkhortisan git diff: "}" commit message: "}" I should've named the branch the same thing.
03:57 khonkhortisan Is it just me or do abms sometimes get run with chance = 1 when loading nearby blocks?
03:58 VanessaE yep.
03:58 VanessaE I think they "stack up".
03:59 VanessaE (so it isn't a literal chance=1, I think it's more like a bunch of abms for an area get queued up and then all get dumped out at once)
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04:02 ShadowNinja Having the chance increase over time and doing one pass would make more sense
04:05 jordan4ibanez on_construct is not called when an ore is generated, that stinks
04:07 khonkhortisan I get a straight edge of snow
04:07 ShadowNinja jordan4ibanez: that would be far too heavy
04:07 jordan4ibanez Not for single node ore generation, instead I have to use the ore as an abm, hacky
04:08 jordan4ibanez I call it "Toilet Fountain Of Doom Land" http://i.imgur.com/4OWFfAj.png
04:09 VanessaE that's....disturbing :)
04:09 * ShadowNinja thinks he found a bug in android
04:10 khonkhortisan +1 for creativity
04:10 VanessaE ShadowNinja: OH G*D, SAY IT AIN'T SO!
04:10 VanessaE :)
04:10 VanessaE (I've been reading lately that Android isn't exactly....bug free.)
04:11 ShadowNinja Well nothing major
04:11 khonkhortisan I blame jojoa1997 for a missing }
04:12 ShadowNinja (on a tablet) You can pull the notifications shade down by pulling on the top, and extend it far past the edge of your screen
04:13 VanessaE well I've got a laptop I'm trying to sell, and once it goes, I'm getting a tablet and it's getting Xubuntu if I can help it. :)
04:14 ShadowNinja Hmm, I don't think xfce is quite ready for that
04:14 NakedFury its either android or apple
04:14 VanessaE ok Unity then.  ANYTHING but the default crippleware.
04:14 ShadowNinja Unlocked and rooted stock ROM here
04:14 VanessaE ShadowNinja: you will have to show me how it's done later, once I get my paws on a tablet.
04:15 ShadowNinja 7 or 10 inch?
04:15 VanessaE it'll be a 10-inch if I can find one at a decent price and set of features.
04:16 ShadowNinja Well the nexus line is great for hacking
04:16 VanessaE so I've heard
04:16 VanessaE how do they do for removable storage?
04:16 VanessaE (I presume USB and/or uSD)
04:16 NakedFury sd cards
04:17 NakedFury mine uses microsd up to 32 gb size
04:17 ShadowNinja They don't, unless you use USB OTG
04:17 VanessaE interesting - so use the tablet itself *as* a storage medium when syncing?
04:18 VanessaE no wait, misread that.
04:18 VanessaE (this is new territory for me)
04:18 NakedFury most tablets, if not all, save apps in the internal hdd
04:19 VanessaE you know what the really sad part is?  I was forced to set up my PC's wireless completely in order to make sure the laptop was working properly and was up-to-date.... and it is the one device I ever used the wireless with :D
04:19 NakedFury other stuff can be saved on external space like the micro cards
04:19 VanessaE NakedFury: a hard drive inside a tablet?  surely an SSD or memory card.
04:19 NakedFury yeah. tablet hdd= internal space to save stuff
04:20 VanessaE ok.  to me "hdd" refers to a specific technology, e.g. spinning rust.
04:20 ShadowNinja Hard Disk Drive
04:21 ShadowNinja Should be Solid State Drive
04:21 VanessaE yup; a hdd isn't what I would expect to find in a tablet. :-)
04:22 ShadowNinja If you want information on rooting, roming, etc look at xdadevelopers
04:22 mauvebic "Massachusetts Institute of Technology police officer has died after shooting on campus; shooter at large" almost daily occurence now :/
04:22 VanessaE ShadowNinja: when the time comes, I'll pick your brain :-)
04:23 VanessaE mauvebic: sad isn't it?  I'm afaid it's because people here are just getting that desperate.  No justice in this country, inflation, horrible income disparity, etc.  It ain't exactly Zimbabwe or India here, but sometimes it looks like we're heading that way at ludicrous speed.
04:23 [0gb_us] Yeah, HDD is a specific thing, just like CPU. I hate it when people say "CPU", then expect me to know they mean "computer", not "central processing unit".
04:24 mauvebic it makes one helluva argument for homeschooling and e-schoolin/correspondance course
04:24 mauvebic *courses
04:25 NakedFury well when I said hdd I was generalizing hdd and ssd and any other medium to save data for the tablet. also thats why I said internal. didnt see the need to go mega specific at that moment
04:26 mauvebic then theres' this tidbit: Michigan minister who allegedly desired sex with dead body gets at least 56 years for murder
04:26 mauvebic i think people are going nuts lol
04:27 [0gb_us] People have been nuts from the beginning, just in different ways.
04:27 VanessaE goING?
04:27 VanessaE GONE is more like it.
04:27 [0gb_us] So now we're just as nutty, but it's a different kind of nutty.
04:28 VanessaE true.
04:28 khonkhortisan nutty goes in and out of season
04:28 VanessaE we just chose to direct our energy toward something constructive and arguably more healthy.
04:28 khonkhortisan keep it in the closet, and you can wear that one when it comes back in style
04:29 mauvebic well these stories are prolly just appearing more often in the media
04:30 mauvebic still its funny when people say antisocial people need to be "fixed", id reckon its society that could use a mood stabilizer lol
04:30 [0gb_us] Anti- and just un-.
04:31 mauvebic well you got two types
04:31 [0gb_us] People have been getting on my case or being unsocial for years.
04:31 mauvebic people who avoid/dislike people, and crowds
04:31 mauvebic thats me
04:32 mauvebic and people who actively hate and blame society for a range of personal issues, knew more than a few like that back in HS
04:32 VanessaE if you disliked people you wouldn't be here :)
04:32 mauvebic yeah but would i sit in a real room with such a large group?
04:32 VanessaE I hate talking on the phone, but I won't generally hesitate to send a text message if the situation calls for it.
04:32 mauvebic any group
04:32 VanessaE of course not, and neither would I
04:32 mauvebic you can leave a chat without being rude
04:32 [0gb_us] Exactly. I don't dislike people, I just don't care to take the time to hang out with them. Un-, not anti-.
04:33 VanessaE but even though these are just pixels on a screen, there's still (usually) a person at the other end creating those pixels.
04:33 mauvebic ditching friends/people like that whenever you feel like just leads to drama lol
04:33 VanessaE and you're here to read them, ergo, you don't dislike people.  Just live crowds.
04:33 [0gb_us] True.
04:33 mauvebic coworkers, same thing
04:33 mauvebic most coworkers arent content to just be professional relationship, you have to be friendly with them or they hate you lol
04:34 mauvebic "why dont you ever invite me to your place?", "why do you never come to the bar with us?"
04:34 [0gb_us] People also are noisy in person. I can't stand noise.
04:34 mauvebic its *my* time lol
04:34 mauvebic they dont get that lol
04:34 [0gb_us] Yeah, your time. I'm on your side with that.
04:35 mauvebic well i cant relax bringing work/coworkers home with me
04:35 VanessaE I'm kinda glad most of my life is lived in front of this box :-)
04:35 mauvebic anymore than i want to spend the evening at the bar gossiping about the boss or that guy in HR
04:35 [0gb_us] Yeah ... I don't want people in my house, my personal space!
04:35 VanessaE makes it easy to avoid the aforementioned drama.
04:36 mauvebic yeah, im territorial about my home, last time someone broke in it didn't end well lol
04:36 mauvebic wish we had the castle doctrine here, could saved some troubles
04:37 [0gb_us] People in person often get touchy-feely. Many people I know like to go hug their freinds. They don't understand that I don't like to be touched, but it isn't something personal.
04:37 mauvebic what do you expect, extroverts think everyone should be like them
04:37 * VanessaE piles up a few cute, fluffy kittens next to [0gb_us]
04:37 [0gb_us] Yeah .... You're right.
04:38 mauvebic i would never chose to be so vacuous lol
04:38 [0gb_us] Kittens are fine, it's people I don't like physical contact from.
04:38 [0gb_us] !g vacuous
04:38 MinetestBot [0gb_us]: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/vacuous
04:38 mauvebic my cat hates strangers too lol she's bitten a few, i usually give her treats when they leave lol
04:38 VanessaE [0gb_us]: in that case remind me to buy a cute kitty fursuit if I ever come to your house :D
04:39 VanessaE (or not)
04:39 mauvebic yeah but then youd have to let them grope you at the airport
04:39 [0gb_us] Um ... A fer suit doesn't stop you from being human.
04:39 [0gb_us] *fur
04:39 VanessaE mauvebic: my cats are a little weird.  One of them is lovable as hell, but dumb as a box of rocks.  Loves people.  The other is always curious but very skittish..and quite smart.
04:39 VanessaE [0gb_us]: I was kidding. :)
04:40 mauvebic my cat thinks she owns us lol
04:40 VanessaE the smart one is playing 'fetch' right now with me in fact.
04:40 [0gb_us] Maybe I was touched too much as a child or something, I don't know. In any case though, human touch is not pleasant to me.
04:40 mauvebic we have four chairs in this room, she always wants the one im sitting in
04:40 [0gb_us] Yeah, our cat steals out chairs too.
04:41 mauvebic the once in a blue moon we eat at the dinner table, we have to pull back a chair so she can sit too lol
04:41 [0gb_us] Nice.
04:41 VanessaE awwww
04:41 mauvebic doesnt climb on the table, just sits there, eyes whoever's talking lol
04:42 mauvebic less cute when she opens the door to the bathroom to join either of us lol
04:42 mauvebic "not time for fluffings" lol
04:42 [0gb_us] Meh. I don't mind when the cat does that.
04:43 mauvebic though aparently when my wife goes to take a shower, she hops in there first to prevent here lol
04:43 mauvebic *her
04:44 mauvebic and she cleans her hair in the middle of the night lol
04:45 mauvebic kinda weird but wtv lol
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04:46 [0gb_us] Our cat will clamp on with her teeth a little when she gets mad, but never hard enough to hurt because she's so gentile. Then she'll lick you as if to apologise.
04:47 mauvebic mine only bites if you try to pet her back legs, but most cats are like that
04:49 mauvebic sooo, 2/3's of my post on the forums now contain dead image links, should i rig a bot to delete them?
04:50 [0gb_us] Lost your host?
04:50 mauvebic i dont think zimg.eu is coming back
04:50 VanessaE bummer
04:50 [0gb_us] Hmm. Probably best to delete them then.
04:51 VanessaE maybe it's a DDOS or something?
04:51 VanessaE that seems to be a major problem lately.
04:51 mauvebic well i just got a 404 from zing
04:51 mauvebic *zimg
04:51 VanessaE time to resort to imgur or ompldr.
04:51 mauvebic two weeks ago you couldn't upload, now the whole thing is inaccessible (sp)
04:52 mauvebic yeah thought i cant possibly guess which text-less posts had which images :/
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04:54 VanessaE do what I did last time I lost all my image links (my own stupidity) and when i had to help restore some deleted content - make new ones.
04:54 mauvebic could give it another week, after that, sfan's bot could prolly seek out dead dl and img links
04:54 VanessaE *nod* good idea
04:54 VanessaE checked to see if they're google-cached?
04:55 mauvebic though the older half of my screenshots were on my dead drive, theres no retrieving those ones
04:55 VanessaE plug one of the damaged post's URLs into google and hit the 'cache' link buried behind the [>>] button, if it exists.
04:56 mauvebic that would mean tho DL/ and re-uploading each img 1 by 1 elsewhere
04:56 mauvebic with all my screens, could be here till next christmas lol
04:57 VanessaE yup
04:57 mauvebic i guess well figure this out in a week, i know a few people are disapointed by zimg going down lol
04:57 mauvebic ompldr often has troubles too lately
04:57 khonkhortisan Started a new world, it was black. Turn on fancy leaves, I spawned in a tree.
04:57 VanessaE maybe they'll be back?  It could be only temporary
04:58 VanessaE or just do what I do:  pay for your own web space :-)
04:58 VanessaE (mine costs me $10/mo, but I could get it for less if I weren't paranoid about bandwidth usage)
04:58 mauvebic i would if i were still writing new mods, but i havent had the energy for that lately
04:59 * [0gb_us] will try not to DDoS VanessaE's site
04:59 mauvebic im tired when i shouldn't be, awake when i should be sleeping lol
04:59 VanessaE [0gb_us]: unlimited bandwidth, and it's no doubt on a shared host, so let Hostgator deal with it :D
04:59 VanessaE dafuq?
04:59 khonkhortisan You don't have to worry about me, I ddos myself from time to time.
05:00 mauvebic new episode of hannibal tonight :-) with revolution and svu on rerun hiatus, i need my fix lol
05:00 * VanessaE pours some syrup on AshleyWaffle to slow her down a bit.
05:00 [0gb_us] !g qotg
05:00 MinetestBot [0gb_us]: http://muse.jhu.edu/journals/journal_of_the_history_of_philosophy/summary/v033/33.4defilippo.html
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05:01 AshleyWaffle mew
05:01 * AshleyWaffle nibble VanessaE
05:01 VanessaE lol
05:01 khonkhortisan trees, trees everywhere!
05:02 * khonkhortisan gets the pooper scooper
05:02 khonkhortisan I read your username
05:02 mauvebic "Art student who slaughtered chicken on campus could face animal cruelty charges: police" <-- theyll let anyone with money into school lately
05:02 khonkhortisan So they didn't slaughter it correctly?
05:02 [0gb_us] Trees poop now? What?
05:02 mauvebic if that passes for art, time to cut the schools' grant lol
05:02 VanessaE khonkhortisan: look up the kashrut.  there actually IS a proper way, depending on your religious views.
05:03 [0gb_us] You can't spell slaughter without laughter.
05:03 jordan4ibanez EVERYONE DUCK IN COVER A RELIGIOUS DEBATE
05:03 mauvebic duck *and cover
05:03 VanessaE jordan4ibanez: debate?  where?  *runs and hides*
05:03 mauvebic returning the favour from earlier :P
05:03 jordan4ibanez You almost started it!
05:03 VanessaE mauvebic: would of.  irregardless.  ;)
05:04 * [0gb_us] *
05:04 VanessaE jordan4ibanez: whether a debate gets started is dependent on how khonkhortisan responds to my comment, not whether I made that comment.
05:04 VanessaE so shaddup :_)
05:04 jordan4ibanez NO STAHP
05:04 khonkhortisan I knew there was a proper way, butchers have to be approved by someone
05:04 jordan4ibanez STAHP IT B4....akjdkjasjkd
05:04 khonkhortisan All these leaves are slowing down my framerate
05:05 [0gb_us] I would say the initial comment is just as much to blame.
05:05 khonkhortisan oh yeah? aoeusnthesn
05:05 mauvebic no wonder wether gets flagged and changed to weather, i always forget the H in wHether lol
05:05 VanessaE khonkhortisan: good point, I tend to forget about the regular food laws governing that kinda stuff.
05:05 VanessaE jordan4ibanez: now, see, this is the part where cornernote is supposed to show up and start linking to scare imagery
05:05 VanessaE :)
05:05 khonkhortisan I assume it's based on brain electrode readings right at the moment of death.
05:06 jordan4ibanez OH NnnnnnnnnnnnnnooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooOOOOOOOOOOoooooooOOOOOoooooOOOOoooooOOOooooOOOooooOOOOOoo
05:06 jordan4ibanez Sorry I had to lol
05:06 VanessaE khonkhortisan: re: leaves..  do you see "out of indicies" and "too much for 16 bit data type" messages in your console?
05:06 jordan4ibanez I shall stop this conversation right now
05:06 * [0gb_us] is trying to figure out the best way to prevent vandalism on a public world, but is having little luck
05:06 VanessaE (I forget the exact wording of the errors, but there are two which are interrelated)
05:07 khonkhortisan it's hard to see past the animal spew
05:07 * ShadowNinja got that error with too many big trees
05:07 VanessaE ShadowNinja: it's an engine bug, even happens on my badass machine.
05:07 ShadowNinja Use 32 bits :-)
05:08 VanessaE [0gb_us]: didn't you make a variant of 'protector' that protects whole mapblocks and disappears once placed?
05:08 [0gb_us] VanessaE: You built that machine yourself, right?
05:08 khonkhortisan I was reading the console looking for the errors, when all of a sudden a mob came up and made a scary sound!
05:08 VanessaE [0gb_us]: I specced it from parts, but the firm who I bought it from assembled it for me (I expected to do that myself).
05:09 VanessaE it has since seen some upgrades - the video card wasn't part of the initial purchase, nor the SSD - those came from other sites.  Fittingly though, the 16GB RAM upgrade I got recently DID come from the same company.
05:09 khonkhortisan fps from 26 to 5 looking toward the desert to looking toward water and trees
05:09 khonkhortisan I don't think I'm getting those errors though
05:09 [0gb_us] That wasn't a variant of protector, as it used none of its concepts or code. But the issue with it is that each claim takes up RAM. It doesn't load and unload as the map does. It would need to store the owner as "map block meta data" to be effective, but that doesn't exist. So I need another way.
05:09 khonkhortisan ah, kosher.
05:09 VanessaE khonkhortisan: that's likely the issue then.
05:10 VanessaE khonkhortisan: launch MT from a console/terminal and look
05:10 VanessaE I'm almost 100% positive that's the error.  the solution is coming soon, if that's the case.
05:11 VanessaE [0gb_us]: best bet is to do what node_ownership does and store the owned areas as a text file on disk, and read it back in at mod init.
05:11 jordan4ibanez The best song ever created http://goo.gl/PKswE
05:11 VanessaE a 100-byte string of text ain't gonna take up a significant amount of RAM.
05:11 [0gb_us] That's what it does, but that uses a lot of RAM for a lot of claims.
05:11 [0gb_us] I see.
05:12 [0gb_us] Does anyone know a command for checking a file's size?
05:12 VanessaE naw, don't worry about RAM usage for claims, the map takes at least a couple of orders of magnitude more than your land claims, I'm sure.
05:13 [0gb_us] We're having CPU and RAM issues, so I need to conserve as much as possible. Every little bit helps.
05:13 khonkhortisan The selection box on (acorns?) is below the plantlike image
05:13 khonkhortisan Now what was that about replacing default trees?
05:14 VanessaE khonkhortisan: oh, sorry.  I'll fix that.
05:14 [0gb_us] I'm also considering using locked chests as a node to protect all the nodes around it, which thanks to ShadowNinja will take much less iteration than protector, but it also closes options such as sharing areas.
05:14 VanessaE regarding default trees, you have to disable them in your mt_flags line in map_meta.txt, and then enable beeches in moretrees_settings.txt (same folder as map_meta.txt)
05:15 khonkhortisan I don't have those errors.
05:15 VanessaE odd
05:16 jordan4ibanez I just realized I fixed the issue with a bunch of items flying higher and higher, with pilzadam's item drop
05:17 jordan4ibanez it's very pleasing to see all these items smoothly going into your inventory :3
05:17 khonkhortisan The regular medical field (read: hospital doctors) don't know enough about preventative healthcare
05:17 * [0gb_us] notes not to play jordan4ibanez's new game, as item_drop is one of his two most disliked plugins
05:18 khonkhortisan what's the other one?
05:18 jordan4ibanez 0gb_us don't be ignorant, dug nodes don't drop items :)
05:18 [0gb_us] Hunger. Hunger in almost any game really sucks, given my conservative playing style.
05:19 jordan4ibanez I don't have hunger in my game lol
05:19 [0gb_us] In PilzAdam's item_drop, they do.
05:19 jordan4ibanez Well this isn't pilzadam's item drop anymore, this is my advanced drops
05:19 VanessaE I use the one in technic.
05:20 [0gb_us] You said "I just realized I fixed the issue with a bunch of items flying higher and higher, with pilzadam's item drop". So, I thought you meant exactly what you said, PilzAdam's item_drop.
05:21 jordan4ibanez Oh okay
05:21 jordan4ibanez Mainly it is installed because tnt devistates the landscape and it's quite awesome
05:22 [0gb_us] TNT is quite distructive. It has uses, but you have to be able to trust your users.
05:22 jordan4ibanez Oh this isn't meant for servers dude, this is for let's plays
05:22 [0gb_us] Ah, got it.
05:23 * [0gb_us] is still trying to figure out if having a public world is worth the trouble
05:23 jordan4ibanez It isn't at all
05:24 khonkhortisan I'm looking for mobs that don't try to kill me without me hitting them first, and don't mess with the world. What mod does this?
05:25 jordan4ibanez I wonder if I can set a metastring of a minetest function like minetest.env:set_node()
05:26 [0gb_us] If it's not public, it sort of kills the point. Yeah, you get to build, but never share your creations, or have others share their creations with you. But it it is public, people wreck stuff. And if you have some sort of bouncer (such as no interact by default), the world isn't welcoming. It feels like there is no way to win.
05:26 * [0gb_us] wants a cool world, but isn't getting anywhere fast
05:27 khonkhortisan world-in-world may be a solution.
05:27 [0gb_us] What does that mean?
05:28 khonkhortisan You join a server, spawn in the world, and there's teleporters. You go in one, and you're in someone's private world on the same server and you've lost some privs.
05:29 [0gb_us] It sounds like if you walked far enough, you could get to their "private" world while still having interact.
05:29 khonkhortisan If it was done in a way where it was truly separate
05:29 khonkhortisan with its own coordinate system, and possibly its own mod list taken from the mods on the serve+r
05:31 * ShadowBot wakes up
05:31 khonkhortisan Good Morning ShadowBot
05:31 khonkhortisan Hi ShadowBot
05:31 [0gb_us] ⁑ 0gb.us sings a lullaby
05:31 khonkhortisan MinetestBot would've welcomed me back
05:32 jordan4ibanez what's the opposite of tostring()
05:32 khonkhortisan toint() tofloat() todouble() btw, numbers in lua are double
05:32 khonkhortisan tonumber()
05:32 khonkhortisan tobinary()
05:33 jordan4ibanez say I saved "minetest.env:set_node()" as int, how would I get that out of the string?
05:33 jordan4ibanez as string not int
05:33 khonkhortisan tonumber()
05:33 khonkhortisan and math.floor() if it turns out to not be an int
05:34 khonkhortisan I have distrust for numbers now that I've seen double -> float -> double
05:34 ShadowNinja khonkhortisan: I can load a plugin like messageparser and set that up
05:52 khonkhortisan even when I was looking right at them, those vombies scared me with their RAWR!
06:15 ShadowNinja Hi ShadowBot
06:15 ShadowBot ShadowNinja: Hello ShadowNinja!
06:15 * VanessaE pokes ShadowBot
06:15 ShadowNinja khonkhortisan: ↑
06:16 [0gb_us] Hello, ShadowBot.
06:16 ShadowBot [0gb_us]: Hello [0gb_us]!
06:16 [0gb_us] You fixed the comma thing. Nice!
06:16 ShadowBot [0gb_us]: Hello [0gb_us]!
06:16 VanessaE ShadowNinja: I think havign the nick twice is a bit redundant :)
06:16 ShadowBot VanessaE: Hello VanessaE!
06:16 ShadowNinja uh oh...
06:16 VanessaE and THAT is obviously wrong :_)
06:16 VanessaE :)
06:17 ShadowNinja !messageparser remove global --id 1
06:17 ShadowBot ShadowNinja: The operation succeeded.
06:17 * ShadowNinja goes back to reading about regexps
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06:43 celeron55 http://www.loper-os.org/?p=568
06:44 celeron55 everyone, but especially every apple fanboy should read that 8)
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06:46 * [0gb_us] isn't an Apple fan boy, just a Windows hater
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06:57 celeron55 http://paulgraham.com/taste.html
06:58 [0gb_us] Hmm. So it seems Apple lacks some power it once had.
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07:05 ShadowNinja There! now saying hello to ShadowBot should work properly
07:05 ShadowNinja hey shadowbot
07:05 ShadowBot ShadowNinja: Hello!
07:05 VanessaE hello, bot. :)
07:06 ShadowNinja But you don't want to see the regexp... It is ugly
07:09 [0gb_us] ShadowBot: Ping.
07:09 ShadowBot [0gb_us]: Error: "Ping." is not a valid command.
07:10 [0gb_us] ShadowBot: Hello.
07:10 ShadowBot [0gb_us]: Error: "Hello." is not a valid command.
07:10 ShadowNinja ShadowBot: hello
07:10 ShadowBot ShadowNinja: Hello!
07:10 VanessaE lol
07:11 [0gb_us] ShadowBot, Greetings.
07:11 ShadowBot [0gb_us]: Error: "Greetings." is not a valid command.
07:11 VanessaE back to the old drawing board :D
07:11 [0gb_us] Hey, ShadowBot!
07:11 [0gb_us] Hello, ShadowBot.
07:11 ShadowNinja hmm, punctuation
07:12 celeron55 no bot flood in here
07:12 * [0gb_us] always tries to use proper punctuation
07:12 * [0gb_us] will leave the bot alone now
07:13 celeron55 (this is the first warning and mayb the only one before +q:ing the bot)
07:13 celeron55 +e
07:14 ShadowNinja [0gb_us]: Added, try it somewhere else :-)
07:15 [0gb_us] Added what?
07:15 ShadowNinja It now accepts a comma and the word greetings
07:17 VanessaE better to take it to another channel for testing.
07:18 [0gb_us] Yeah, I won't poke the bot here any more.
07:56 mauvebic dunno how accurate media reports are, apparently one suspect is dead, and they're looking for the other
07:56 mauvebic http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/04/boston-bombers-suspect-1-mike-mulugeta-and-suspect-2-sunil-tripathi-the-missing-brown-u-student/
08:01 mauvebic some of the shit going up on youtube is nuts
08:02 mauvebic http://youtu.be/wSlRHJv1nnA
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08:41 celeron55 lol wat
08:41 mauvebic one of the boston guys is dead, the other is on the run, huge firefight and explosions in boston suburbs
08:42 mauvebic still watching the live feeds lol
08:42 mauvebic the police are still describe the remaining suspect as caucasian, though the names got out on policescanner radios, not caucasian
08:43 mauvebic http://www.rickey.org/sunil-tripathi-and-mike-mulugeta-boston-marathon-bombing-suspects-identified/?fb_source=pubv1
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08:46 mauvebic can't sleep?
08:48 mauvebic ill be off soon, was supposed to sleep two hours ago till the news got lively lol
08:48 VanessaE had to shut the computer off for a minute to check hard drive cables
08:48 mauvebic seen the news?
08:48 VanessaE one of my drives fell off the bus
08:48 VanessaE news?
08:48 mauvebic http://www.rickey.org/sunil-tripathi-and-mike-mulugeta-boston-marathon-bombing-suspects-identified/?fb_source=pubv1
08:48 mauvebic the MIT shooting and the boston thing were related, and its been crazy out in waterton tonight
08:49 mauvebic http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-22213651
08:50 mauvebic bbc world is basically replaying the same segments now until i guess the cops catch up to the second guy
08:50 VanessaE the shooting one is a bit light on the details
08:50 VanessaE first one I mean
08:54 mauvebic BBC still dont have the names :/ its on the indie news sites though, people listening in on policescanner radio websites
08:55 mauvebic lol just got a msg from undernet about it lol
08:58 mauvebic some crazy shit, but i gotta hit the hay or the wife i'll kill me, supposed to get groceries later this morning lol
08:58 mauvebic nite
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09:05 VanessaE bbl, bedtime
09:09 celeron55 i wonder if we'll ever have any east asians talking here at this time
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10:42 PilzAdam Hello everyone!
10:42 [0gb_us] Hey, PilzAdam!
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10:56 jojoa1997|Tablet PilzAdam: Have you tried the new minitest. I want know if there are any bugs i missed. Also could you add my link to the first post
10:57 PilzAdam I also linked your post
10:58 jojoa1997|Tablet ok thanks
10:58 jojoa1997|Tablet is it possible to have a node be registered as
10:58 jojoa1997|Tablet "node:xx1"
10:58 jojoa1997|Tablet and also let it be called
10:58 jojoa1997|Tablet "1" or "xx1"
10:58 [0gb_us] Yeah.
10:58 [0gb_us] Use minetest.register_alias().
10:58 jojoa1997|Tablet how
10:59 jojoa1997|Tablet VenassaE why could i not do this yester day with redstone!?!?!?
10:59 [0gb_us] I forget the order of the arguments. Look it up in the API doc.
10:59 [0gb_us] VanessaE told you to do that yesterday with redstone.
11:00 jojoa1997|Tablet wait can you alias one node to another already defined node
11:00 PilzAdam jojoa1997|Tablet, if you ask others for help then expect wrong information :-)
11:00 [0gb_us] You can't alias a registered node to another registered node.
11:01 PilzAdam you cant?
11:01 jojoa1997|Tablet oh that is good to know
11:01 jojoa1997|Tablet also with pointed_thing.below
11:01 jojoa1997|Tablet does that mean what you are pointing at
11:02 PilzAdam its pointed_thing.under
11:02 jojoa1997|Tablet pointed_thing.under
11:02 jojoa1997|Tablet and pointed_thing.above is what the item will be place in
11:02 [0gb_us] I've yried regestering one node to another, and it doesn't work.
11:02 [0gb_us] *tried
11:03 [0gb_us] The alias name can't already be bound to a definition.
11:03 jojoa1997|Tablet SPAM in the really wrong place http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=84978#p84978
11:03 * PilzAdam works on worldedit++
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11:18 jojoa1997|Tablet GTG CYA
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12:14 jojoa1997|Tablet Hi
12:16 jojoa1997|Tablet Is it possible to have node boxes do this? https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS5TtFGbLI8L7DeHPhqszhZ1KoZKtIHT2ERyLJLNqCQ2E9b0Yb6TA
12:17 PilzAdam why dont you just try it?
12:18 sfan5 jojoa1997|Tablet: it is possible
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12:24 jojoa1997|Tablet i mean can i have a node box set a certain box at an angle
12:24 PilzAdam no
12:25 jojoa1997|Tablet Well there should be a way
12:25 PilzAdam wait for RBAs 3D model support
12:27 jojoa1997|Tablet Link for pull request?
12:27 Exio he is coding it
12:27 Exio not available
12:27 PilzAdam RBA cant use branches in git, so no way for us to get the current code
12:28 Exio what is wrong with branches?
12:28 Exio git checkout -b name <commitasbase> and profit :P
12:29 PilzAdam Exio, RBA copies the whole trees
12:29 Exio ehm
12:29 PilzAdam so he has one directory for each "branch"
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12:41 jojoa1997|Tablet PilzAdam I am going to add mobs through mobf. It will be reduced to have little lag but it will make defining them easier
12:46 jojoa1997|Tablet Is that ok
12:47 * sfan5 is working on threading with lua
12:47 jojoa1997|Tablet What is threading?
12:47 sfan5 !g threading
12:47 MinetestBot sfan5: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Threading_(epilation)
12:47 sfan5 ^ jojoa1997|Tablet
12:47 sfan5 wait no
12:47 sfan5 Threading (epilation), a hair removal method
12:47 jojoa1997|Tablet So you are threading someone's eyebrows
12:48 sfan5 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thread_(computer_science)
12:48 jojoa1997|Tablet !g lua threading
12:48 MinetestBot jojoa1997|Tablet: http://lua-users.org/wiki/ThreadsTutorial
12:48 sfan5 theres currently no threading solution for lua
12:48 jojoa1997|Tablet So what will it do in lua
12:49 sfan5 it will allow modders to use threads
12:50 jojoa1997|Tablet And what is a thread in lua
12:50 sfan5 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thread_(computer_science)
12:50 sfan5 read that
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12:52 jojoa1997|Tablet So you want to have minetest be able to do 2 things at once on multi core computers
12:52 sfan5 no not minetest
12:52 sfan5 minetest already does that
12:53 sfan5 and you don't need a multi-core processor to have threads
12:53 jojoa1997|Tablet Then for what
12:53 sfan5 FOR LUA MODS
12:53 jojoa1997|Tablet Like running 2 commands at once
12:53 jojoa1997|Tablet For example am npc that walks and digs?
12:54 sfan5 no,no
12:54 sfan5 well, yes
12:54 sfan5 <jojoa1997|Tablet> Like running 2 commands at once
12:54 sfan5 yes
12:54 sfan5 <jojoa1997|Tablet> For example am npc that walks and digs?
12:54 sfan5 bad example
12:54 sfan5 like when you use //set air with 100 000 blocks you don't have to wait unti it is done
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12:57 jojoa1997|Tablet Oh so like doing //replace stone air
12:57 jojoa1997|Tablet And then //replace dirt mese
12:57 jojoa1997|Tablet At the same time
12:57 jojoa1997|Tablet Is it possible to do
12:57 sfan5 just allowing huge operation such as worldediting without lagging the whole server
12:58 jojoa1997|Tablet Is it possible to do //replace air wood
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13:07 PilzAdam sfan5, threading for Lua is not possible because there is a completly env lock while Lua is running
13:08 sfan5 PilzAdam: my code works fine
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13:13 Exio sfan5: what should happen when two threads access the same "piece" of world?
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13:13 celeron55 sfan5: it's quite likely you didn't manage to rework the world locking to be proper for that purpose in this time, but if you did, well, good for us
13:13 sfan5 Exio: the faster thread gets it
13:13 Exio race conditions
13:14 sfan5 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9Ty_hgm6fw
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13:17 rotor112 html5...
13:18 cosarara97 Hi!
13:18 Koren hi
13:18 rotor112 hi
13:18 rotor112 where's OldCoder?
13:18 sfan5 celeron55: for LuaMapVoxelManipulator proper world locking would be an issue, LuaThread is not specifically designed for doing minetest:env operations, although doing huge world operations is the best example use for lua threads
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13:21 rotor112_ !g w
13:21 MinetestBot rotor112_: http://www.wmagazine.com/
13:22 cosarara97 I pulled latest minetest and minetest_game from git, had to clone that common mod pack, and I created a new world. Everything looks so nice now, but I get an error ("SQL logic error or missing database") on every block save.
13:23 rotor112_ !g OldCoder
13:23 MinetestBot rotor112_: http://oldcoder.org/
13:26 rotor112 !up http://oldcoder.org/
13:26 MinetestBot rotor112: Note: Syntax changed please use 'example.org 1337' instead of 'example.org:1337'
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13:26 rotor112 !up minetest.org
13:26 MinetestBot minetest.org:30000 seems to be down
13:27 rotor112 !up minetest.org:30015
13:27 MinetestBot rotor112: Note: Syntax changed please use 'example.org 1337' instead of 'example.org:1337'
13:27 rotor112 !up minetest.org 30015
13:27 MinetestBot minetest.org:30015 seems to be down
13:27 rotor112 !up 94.23.33.108 30000
13:27 MinetestBot 94.23.33.108:30000 is up (0.182ms)
13:27 rotor112 !up 94.23.33.108 30002
13:27 MinetestBot 94.23.33.108:30002 is up (0.122ms)
13:27 rotor112 !up 94.23.33.108 30001
13:27 MinetestBot 94.23.33.108:30001 is up (0.124ms)
13:27 Exio ?
13:27 rotor112 !up 94.23.33.108 30010
13:27 MinetestBot 94.23.33.108:30010 seems to be down
13:27 Exio is that spam really needed?
13:28 rotor112 sorry
13:28 sfan5 !ignore rotor112
13:28 MinetestBot sfan5: 'rotor112' added to ignore list.
13:28 cosarara97 (debug.txt of the error: http://sprunge.us/JSQX )
13:29 Koren let me guess you've been ignored 112 times ? XD
13:29 rotor113 !up
13:29 MinetestBot rotor113: Give me a Server Address
13:29 PilzAdam rotor113, that is ban worthy behavior
13:29 PilzAdam *behaviour
13:29 Exio meh, rotor113, don't avoid ignores, they would cause you to get banned and hated
13:30 rotor113 ok
13:30 rotor113 where is OldCoder?
13:30 arsdragonfly1 cosarara97: that's a cool website
13:31 arsdragonfly1 http://sprunge.us/ONgL
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13:31 arsdragonfly1 minetest crashes when loading moreblocks mod
13:33 sfan5 MinetestBot: reload antiabuse
13:33 MinetestBot sfan5: <module 'antiabuse' from '/home/stefan/mtbot/modules/antiabuse.py'> (version: 2013-04-19 13:33:17)
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13:33 BlockMen PilzAdam, https://www.dropbox.com/s/d4w0q6gap6pam3j/damage_sounds.zip
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13:34 rotor113 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/d4w0q6gap6pam3j/damage_sounds.zip?token_hash=AAHGJGlv7HoKes8555NdfVgMKCejgeu6yM4FqYxuC14dWw&amp;dl=1
13:35 cosarara97 Forget it, I just had a full partition.
13:35 sfan5 rotor113: why did you post that link?
13:35 BlockMen rotor113, why?
13:35 rotor113 I wanted to know the lenght of a dropbox link
13:36 BlockMen that makes no sense...
13:36 rotor113 why 2 times player damage 1?
13:37 rotor113 in license.txt
13:37 BlockMen typo
13:38 PilzAdam BlockMen, the not MC hurt sound sounds like farting
13:39 PilzAdam and the falling damage sound isnt that good
13:39 PilzAdam it sounds more like punching something
13:39 PilzAdam the non-free sounds you gave me once were better
13:39 BlockMen the falling sound is better than mc bone crack (falling sound)
13:40 BlockMen and the non-free sounds were just the mc hurt sound and the bone crack
13:41 PilzAdam you dont make such sounds when falling IRL
13:41 PilzAdam the bone cracking sound of MC is better
13:42 rotor113 no
13:42 BlockMen using sounds like in RL what make a rly silent *bump*
13:42 BlockMen *would
13:43 BlockMen no one cracks bones that easily
13:43 PilzAdam bone crack is more realistic than what you gave me
13:44 BlockMen in my opinion not.
13:45 rotor113 bone crack is unrealistic if you fall on leaves
13:45 rotor113 ++or sand
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13:45 Exio if you fall irl enough to damage yourself, you wouldn't hear the sound
13:46 jojoa1997|Tablet T works like blender
13:46 jojoa1997|Tablet Is there an app
13:46 BlockMen or be able to walk after bone cracked
13:46 BlockMen so a *bmump* makes much more sense
13:46 Exio like a FPS-like damage system
13:46 Exio when low damage = slow walking
13:46 Exio and when full health = small boost
13:47 jojoa1997|Tablet Oops wrong channel
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13:47 Exio i'd like that
13:48 * Exio goes to his tag2 and checks how can he implement it
13:48 rotor113 !rev minetest
13:48 MinetestBot tsetenim
13:48 jojoa1997|Tablet BlockMen you make amazing mods like minecraft
13:49 BlockMen jojoa1997, thx
13:49 rotor113 !b64e BlockMen you make amazing mods like minecraft
13:49 MinetestBot QmxvY2tNZW4geW91IG1ha2UgYW1hemluZyBtb2RzIGxpa2UgbWluZWNyYWZ0
13:50 Exio rotor113: don't spam
13:50 BlockMen btw, i have taken a look at your inventory at minitest 1.3 dev
13:50 BlockMen nice way included the two mods.
13:50 jojoa1997|Tablet Block men what about having hunger start after a day
13:50 BlockMen but why have you removed the backgrounds?
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13:51 jojoa1997|Tablet Because the background is different
13:51 rotor113_ sorry
13:51 rotor113_ wrong tab
13:51 jojoa1997|Tablet I will be adding some later when the inventory becomes more the same
13:51 BlockMen then change the backgrounds of the others too :P
13:51 jojoa1997|Tablet There is still a lot to add
13:51 BlockMen oh, and i have noticed, that i can place every node on the armor slots
13:52 jojoa1997|Tablet OK idk how to atop thart
13:52 jojoa1997|Tablet That
13:52 BlockMen with the on_put i guess
13:52 jojoa1997|Tablet Anyways I will be making boots later
13:53 BlockMen to the hungry-mod: i just made it (atm) to show the new possiblities of LUA HUD
13:53 jojoa1997|Tablet Blockmen maybe add to hunger mod a way to Rogan health over time
13:53 PilzAdam BlockMen, the problem with the 2 damage sounds is that they have 2 different "voices
13:53 jojoa1997|Tablet Aka gold apples
13:53 PilzAdam +"
13:53 rotor112 !b64d rtare
13:53 MinetestBot TypeError: cannot concatenate 'str' and 'Error' objects (file "/home/stefan/mtbot/bot.py", line 162, in <lambda>)
13:54 rotor112 you could edit them with audacity
13:54 BlockMen PilzAdam, yes i know...
13:54 PilzAdam it also sounds better with gain=0.5
13:55 BlockMen jojoa1997, health is regenereated over time. (1 hp every 4 sec)
13:55 jojoa1997|Tablet I mean a function
13:55 BlockMen PilzAdam, change at source code?
13:55 jojoa1997|Tablet For gold apples
13:55 PilzAdam BlockMen, yep
13:56 BlockMen jojoa, i will make a framework, so that mods can add their stuff to hungry.
13:56 PilzAdam BlockMen, I guess I could live with the falling sound
13:56 BlockMen then it will be easier to manage all the foods
13:56 PilzAdam although it sounds very comic style
13:56 rotor112 why does the minetest player have to eat cooked rats?
13:57 BlockMen PilzAdam, i dont say that there is no better than this one. but i would always prefer falling instead of bone
13:57 BlockMen *crack
13:57 jojoa1997|Tablet Cya
13:59 BlockMen PilzAdam, the hurt-build does not support lua hud, right?
13:59 PilzAdam nope
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13:59 BlockMen :(
13:59 BlockMen that would be nice with sounds: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5663 :D
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14:04 Ristovski where else will I see calinou?
14:04 rotor114 and OldCoder
14:04 Ristovski anyways, anyone know why I'm getting this at linking? "In function `irr::video::CImageLoaderPng::loadImage(irr::io::IReadFile*) const': (.text+0x1c0): undefined reference to `png_set_gray_1_2_4_to_8'"
14:05 Ristovski I have all the dev packages
14:05 Ristovski debian wheezy x64 btw
14:05 rotor114 !seen OldCoder
14:05 MinetestBot rotor114: Sorry, I haven't seen oldcoder around.
14:06 rotor114 !seen calinou
14:06 MinetestBot rotor114: Sorry, I haven't seen calinou around.
14:06 Ristovski fix that bot
14:07 rotor114 !seen Ristovski
14:07 MinetestBot rotor114: ristovski was last seen at 2013-04-19 14:06:25 UTC on #minetest
14:07 rotor114 but it works
14:07 Ristovski but it's kidna borked
14:07 Ristovski isnt it
14:07 Ristovski or did it just join after calinou went away?
14:08 rotor114 I think, it did
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14:11 MinetestBot rotor114: OldCoder was last not seen at 2013-04-19 14:06:25 UTC on #minetest
14:12 Exio oh damn
14:12 sfan5 MinetestBot: reload antiabuse
14:12 MinetestBot sfan5: <module 'antiabuse' from '/home/stefan/mtbot/modules/antiabuse.pyc'> (version: 2013-04-19 13:33:22)
14:12 Exio rotor114: DON'T spam, is that hard to undestand?
14:12 arsdragonfly "preload item visuals" seems to be broken on moreblocks mod
14:12 rotor114 was kicked by sfan5: rotor114
14:12 PilzAdam arsdragonfly, nope
14:13 PilzAdam moreores just defines so many nodes that your RAM fills over when preloading them
14:13 arsdragonfly PilzAdam : oh thanks
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14:14 arsdragonfly I've only 1GiB of RAM and 1GiB of swap
14:15 arsdragonfly how much will be sufficient then?
14:15 arsdragonfly Or is it just related to the RAM of my GPU?
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14:22 arsdragonfly I wish there could be a tutorial mod
14:22 arsdragonfly or a tutorial framework for mods
14:23 arsdragonfly It sucks to get started by looking at crafting recipes:(
14:25 arsdragonfly I wish I could occasionally dig into a dungeon,and find a book with crafting recipes & usage somewhere
14:26 arsdragonfly it's fun to explore by yourself isn't it?
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15:16 alex256 minetest will not work for me in windows xp....but runs flawless in puppy linux....any suggestions?
15:17 Koren if you can compile it on windows i think it would run very well
15:17 Jordach dont use windows
15:17 alex256 lol jordach
15:20 alex256 well the problem is its an intergrated intel 845 g card...sauerbraten and minecraft run at 45 -75 fps but minetest does not....if i stick a 32 mb radeon pci card it the computer it runs in puppy  at 50 fps.....in window it doesn't matter which graphics card i use it still runs at 5 fps...
15:21 alex256 i enjoy minetest alot but i dont want to sacrifice other game i like to be able to run it
15:21 Koren i wonder if irrlicht uses directx or opengl on windows
15:22 ShadowNinja Koren: It can use either
15:23 alex256 i have tried all of them opengl,direct3d8,direct3d9,null,software,and burnings video....none work
15:23 Koren have you installed latest video driver ?
15:23 alex256 yes
15:23 ShadowNinja null = segfault, software = segfault in all except one case for me
15:24 alex256 its like 6.14.31 intel 845g
15:24 alex256 or something of that nature but it is upgraded
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15:25 jojoa1997|Tablet my eye hurts
15:25 alex256 what trips me out is mine craft runs at 50 fps on the same graphics card
15:25 Koren looks like mintest graphics are running on the cpu instead of gpu on your computer
15:25 jojoa1997|Tablet what does minetest fps
15:25 alex256 if i look at the sky it shoots up to over 100 fps in minecraft
15:25 ShadowNinja I realy like the selection box that the burningsvideo driver has
15:26 jojoa1997|Tablet that is cause you are not registering blocks
15:26 alex256 it stays at 5 fps in minetest on windows
15:26 sfan5 ShadowNinja: screenshot?
15:27 Koren alex256: what is the title of the minetest window ?
15:27 ShadowNinja sfan5: Not now, but it is a lot thiner
15:27 alex256 one sec
15:27 sfan5 ShadowNinja: the selection box is already really thin
15:28 jojoa1997|Tablet sfan5 could you make a clientfor android where i can connect to servers but not render anything
15:28 sfan5 why?
15:28 jojoa1997|Tablet like a chat for servers but i am using the minetest client
15:28 sfan5 that makes no sense
15:29 jojoa1997|Tablet i want to ask questions on a server but i cannot until i get home
15:29 alex256 minetest [main menu] then under that it says Minetest 0.4.6
15:29 jojoa1997|Tablet but i have important questions that i need time to think so when i get home i can implement them
15:30 sfan5 then you need to tell the people to use ic
15:30 Koren alex256: when you are ingame what says the title ?
15:30 sfan5 *irc
15:30 ShadowNinja sfan5: It looks fat with openGL, maybe it is my resolution but the burningsvideo one looks better to me
15:30 alex256 oh it says opengl 1.3.0 at the moment
15:30 Koren i think its the problem
15:30 Koren try to update your opengl driver
15:31 Koren 1.3 is very very old
15:31 ShadowNinja jojoa1997|Tablet: heard of the minetest irc mod? join ##mt-irc-mod
15:31 jojoa1997|Tablet i know keaza made it
15:31 alex256 hmm how do i do that on an out dated intergrated intel card i have already installed the latest driver for it
15:32 Koren i dont know how to upgrade opengl on windows
15:32 Koren but maybe you could force minetest to run on directx
15:32 Koren it may improve things
15:33 Koren (i dont know how to run it with directx neither sorry :x)
15:34 ShadowNinja Koren, alex256: Look in minetest.conf.example
15:34 alex256 directx makes all my other games run like crap already tried that
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15:37 Koren you tried direct3d8 and direct3d9 ?
15:39 Koren but it's strange that you are only with opengl1.3, it looks like opengl drivers are provided with video card drivers it should be a more recent version
15:40 Exio intel gma?
15:40 Jordach OpenGL is bundled with the hardware itself.
15:41 arsdragonfly alex256 : you can run minecraft at 50fps on an intel 845g?
15:41 alex256 yes
15:41 arsdragonfly Jesus christ that's incredible
15:41 alex256 i can blow up tnt and watch the particles wvery smoothlt at 50 fps
15:42 arsdragonfly 'cause I get only about 10fps on my 845g
15:42 alex256 heck sauerbraten runs at 75 fps
15:42 arsdragonfly and ~30fps on my new fx5200
15:42 alex256 i think the 2.8GHz processor is why
15:43 arsdragonfly with the lowest graphic settings
15:43 Calinou lol 2.8ghz
15:43 jojoa1997_Tablet do you use optifine
15:43 Calinou frequency has nothing to do with performance today
15:43 alex256 yes optifine
15:43 Calinou and be very careful when looking at the number of cores
15:43 Jordach Calinou, true
15:43 jojoa1997_Tablet i like the zooming
15:43 Calinou "eight core" in AMD terminology is "4 modules"
15:44 arsdragonfly :(I only have a Celeron CPU
15:44 * jojoa1997_Tablet has 5^5^5^5^5 cores
15:44 alex256 i wish the was a optifine like mod for minetest
15:44 Calinou recent celerons aren't that bad
15:45 * jojoa1997_Tablet -5^5^5^5^5+2
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15:45 arsdragonfly Is there any crash report?
15:45 Calinou alex256: it is already pretty fast, it can outperform optifine'd minecraft
15:45 Calinou arsdragonfly: also, 50FPS on mc isn't impressive, I get 300+ if I don't use 16× AF :P
15:45 arsdragonfly Calinou :Yeah but mine is bought in 2005
15:45 alex256 i know it runs at 45fps on the radeon 7000 32 mb card thats what i dont get the 845 intel is 64 mb
15:46 jojoa1997_Tablet Calinou you get a minimum of 200 in minetest
15:46 jojoa1997_Tablet on super high performance
15:46 jojoa1997_Tablet you dont count for comparisons
15:46 Calinou in minetest I get 100-ish with AF, 256× pack and shaders, with 128 view distance (equivalent to minecraft's "far")
15:47 jojoa1997_Tablet yeah you have super computer
15:47 Calinou no
15:47 jojoa1997_Tablet i get the same performance with 32-50 view distance
15:47 Calinou you have a laptop, right?
15:47 jojoa1997_Tablet yes
15:48 Calinou then don't complain about reduced performance: for the same name, you have 25% lower perf
15:48 alex256 calinnou...not on my computer....minecraft works minetest doesn't....dont really understand why though
15:48 Calinou name as in, eg. 660M vs 660
15:48 arsdragonfly I get 10fps with the viewing distance set to 16m:(
15:48 Calinou alex256: minetest needs opengl 1.4 to work at least, 2.0 is better though
15:49 Calinou this is why I use a desktop, you can also change everything in it, arsdragonfly :P
15:49 alex256 i have 3.1 right now and it doesn't...
15:49 alex256 i am on a desktop
15:50 arsdragonfly alex256 :I got minetest 0.4.2 working on my old 845g before
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15:50 alex256 might try that...
15:51 arsdragonfly alex256 : 845g supports opengl1.1(2?) only and doesn't support shader models
15:51 Koren he is running with 1.3
15:51 jordan4ibanez apparently last night I was so tired I installed a windows vista transformation pack
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15:52 alex256 i dont need shaders
15:52 Calinou update your drivers, alex256?
15:52 alex256 i have them turned off
15:52 jojoa1997_Tablet there any where for a live usb linux
15:52 alex256 already have
15:52 Calinou what's your graphics card and OS?
15:53 arsdragonfly Calinou : Lol the latest 845g driver came out in 2005
15:53 alex256 intel 845g and windowsxp pro sp3
15:53 Calinou ;-;
15:53 Calinou minetest isn't playable on that
15:53 alex256 it is in puppy linux
15:53 Calinou even worse
15:53 Calinou intel is slower on linux than on windows
15:54 alex256 minecraft and other games work
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15:54 rubenwardy hi all;
15:54 jordan4ibanez Hi rubenwardy
15:54 Calinou hi rubenwardy
15:54 arsdragonfly Intel's proprietary drivers suck balls :(
15:54 alex256 how do i get 50fps in mine craft and 5 in minetest ?
15:55 alex256 i agree i hate intel
15:55 alex256 like i said minetest works great when i slip a 32mb radeon card in there
15:56 alex256 but other game wont run at all
15:56 arsdragonfly Have you checked out the settings,alex256?
15:56 alex256 yes
15:56 alex256 if i installdirectx nothing works ...lol
15:57 arsdragonfly then does the game just crash or just perform badly?
15:57 alex256 i have been here for 25 minutes with nothing http://www.intel.com/p/en_US/support/detect/graphics
15:57 arsdragonfly the directX backend of Irrlicht is quite buggy:(
16:02 Jordach i have problem. big problem.
16:02 Jordach http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-190413-170153.php
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16:06 alex256 arsdragonfly it runs at 5fps and laggey as all get out
16:07 alex256 i will go thrift store shopping for a decent pci graphics card... and stop bugging you guys
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16:07 arsdragonfly alex256 :open minetest.conf and add:
16:07 alex256 i wish this comp had an AGP slot...so i could use my nvidia card
16:08 arsdragonfly wanted_fps = 30
16:08 alex256 ok
16:08 arsdragonfly see if that works
16:08 alex256 ok i will try i think it is that at default
16:08 arsdragonfly it should
16:09 cosarara97 MT runs at 20 fps in my intel atom :) (I'm buying a new computer with a GTX 660Ti though)
16:09 arsdragonfly also enable "Opaque water"
16:11 * arsdragonfly guesses that Jordach is a xubuntu user
16:11 cosarara97 Jordach: Do moreores
16:11 Jordach arsdragonfly, well done
16:11 alex256 now fps is 50 untill i take a step then it drops to 5 fps
16:12 arsdragonfly Have you disabled all the filtering and mip-mapping?
16:12 alex256 stays steady at 40 utill i look aroud or try to move then 5fps again and really laggy
16:13 alex256 yes everthing except the water
16:14 cosarara97 arsdragonfly: guess mine http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/captura-190413-181159.php :)
16:14 alex256 i have waited to see if it was because of loading chunks no avail
16:14 arsdragonfly :( sorry but that's all I know now
16:16 arsdragonfly cosarara97 : xubuntu or any system with the xfce desktop environment
16:16 arsdragonfly since i saw the little rat:P
16:17 cosarara97 yeah, just not *ubuntu
16:17 alex256 its ok
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16:23 Jordach cosarara97, debian 6?
16:24 mauvebic heh, the names changed
16:24 cosarara97 Jordach: Arch Linux
16:24 mauvebic i thought chechens had a beef with Russia, not the US lol
16:25 Calinou arsdragonfly: it's a mouse not a rat >:(
16:25 Calinou cosarara97: buying?
16:25 Calinou do the inverse of what ESR says, these days it is better to build
16:25 Calinou MUCH
16:25 cosarara97 Calinou: going to buy
16:25 Calinou also, what kind of 660ti? the vaccum cleaner one?
16:25 Jordach Calinou, i've supported part of moreblocks with MC4MT7
16:26 Calinou cool :)
16:26 * Calinou is playing minecraft right now
16:26 Jordach KILL HIM!
16:26 RealBadAngel with FIRE!
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16:27 mauvebic cut his nodes off!
16:27 mauvebic :P
16:27 Calinou cosarara97: no, really, this is serious advice
16:28 * mauvebic puts calinou in an item frame
16:28 * RealBadAngel turn the circular saw off
16:28 cosarara97 Calinou: I had the exact model written down somewhere, can't find it now
16:29 cosarara97 Calinou: what's so serious about it?
16:29 Ristovski Calinou: lol, Ohai
16:29 RealBadAngel http://i.imgur.com/OapBLIO.jpg
16:29 Ristovski Calinou: like, 5th game I see you in :D
16:29 Calinou also, to play minetest, you don't need a 660ti, a 660 will be fine and has much better perf/price
16:30 Calinou (the best perf/price you'll find on the nvidia side of things)
16:30 Jordach RealBadAngel, hai pixelBOX user
16:30 RealBadAngel proof that mt can use ANY mesh
16:31 * RealBadAngel waits for Airplanes mod now
16:31 john_minetest RealBadAngel: This is the REAL dwarves game.
16:32 john_minetest RealBadAngel: There is an ufo mod by Zeg9. Adding a new model shouldn't be difficult.
16:32 cosarara97 Calinou: Well, it's not just to play minetest ;) I was thinking about buying a 7870, but they told me it's linux drivers where horrible.
16:32 Calinou 7870 also has blackscreens :P
16:33 Jordach and this is why I want Calinou as my IT Guy
16:33 Calinou never had an AMD card, but nvidia has lower frametimes too
16:33 RealBadAngel i mean different plane models
16:33 Calinou "IT guy" is pejorative, Jordach >:(
16:33 RealBadAngel maybe retro ones
16:33 Jordach then, the one who advises upgrades
16:33 RealBadAngel like WW1
16:33 Calinou cosarara97: and lower frametimes = more fluid :P
16:33 RealBadAngel that would be cool
16:33 ImQ009 kurwa
16:33 * Jordach prefers doing the supermanb
16:33 Jordach -b
16:34 RealBadAngel ImQ009, stop using offending words here
16:34 ImQ009 :P
16:35 ImQ009 RealBadAngel, One does not simply get offended by that word
16:35 Calinou cosarara97: better buy a good 660 than a bad 660ti anyway
16:35 RealBadAngel ImQ009, im polish and i do know what that word means :P
16:35 ImQ009 RealBadAngel, That's why I said 'kurwa' :P
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16:36 Jordach ImQ009, it'd be faster to say a six letter H word
16:36 Jordach also ends with 'r'
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16:36 RealBadAngel if you tried to say with it hey im from Gorzów, you succeed
16:37 RealBadAngel but nothin more
16:37 RealBadAngel please dont do that again
16:37 cosarara97 Calinou: is this one good: https://www.asus.com/Graphics_Cards/GTX660DC2T2GD5/ ?
16:37 ImQ009 RealBadAngel, No, I wasn't going to say that, but alright
16:38 Calinou cosarara97: yes, but pick the "OC" one, not the "TOP" one
16:38 * Jordach prefers using Nvidia
16:38 Jordach because drivers
16:39 Calinou 1) you can overclock it yourself, 2) the "TOP" has worse perf/price and is near the 6-pin PCI-E power limit
16:39 Calinou and of course it uses more power and makes more noise (but it's quiet in both cases)
16:40 RealBadAngel http://archive3d.net/?category=29
16:40 Calinou maybe /me will pick that one to replace his noisy 570
16:40 Calinou ^ this is why you should not buy reference cards
16:41 RealBadAngel one mod to use them all...
16:41 ImQ009 If you buy a reference card make sure you have an oven as well :P
16:41 RealBadAngel who will dare? :)
16:41 cosarara97 Calinou: This one: https://www.asus.com/Graphics_Cards/GTX660_TIDC2OC3GD5/ ?
16:42 ImQ009 ESPECIALLY if it's card from nVidia. Then an oven is a must
16:43 RealBadAngel http://storage3d.com/storage/2012.07/316d012c5da95b8a75f39013f4e35ddc.jpg
16:43 RealBadAngel this is the style imho for mt airplanes
16:43 Calinou 3GB of VRAM is useless on that GPU, cosarara97, just pick the 2GB one
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16:44 Calinou ImQ009: my 570 doesn't go over 62°C with fan forced at 40%
16:44 RealBadAngel http://storage3d.com/storage/2012.11/1cb7f050a17ce8a028897c5d31aa0c8f.jpg
16:44 Calinou nothing wrong here
16:44 RealBadAngel or this one
16:45 ImQ009 Calinou, Not about temperature
16:45 Jordach Calinou, i dont force my fans
16:45 ImQ009 My GayForce was fine in that area as wel
16:45 * Calinou can't force his fan below 40%
16:45 Calinou Jordach: with CoolBits 4 you can do that :P
16:45 Calinou but you have to accept an EULA every time
16:46 cosarara97 Calinou: https://www.asus.com/Graphics_Cards/GTX660DC2O2GD5/ ?
16:46 Calinou yep!
16:46 Jordach Calinou, MC4MT7 Moreblocks Support 87%
16:47 Calinou be more accurate please
16:47 Jordach Calinou, almost done
16:47 Calinou cosarara97: see, if you want to transform it in a "TOP" version you just have to add 42MHz to the GPU
16:48 Calinou s/in/to
16:48 Jordach glass slabs todo and I'll reupload
16:48 Calinou Jordach: 87.56% now? :D
16:48 cosarara97 Calinou: ok, thanks :)
16:48 Calinou glass slabs require no additional texture
16:48 Calinou I should make some maybe, it would look better
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16:49 Jordach Calinou, as in those 4 way ones
16:49 Jordach you french nutter
16:49 Calinou cosarara97: ah, I thought you were buying a whole PC, that's why I said "build, don't buy" :P
16:50 cosarara97 Calinou: I am
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16:50 cosarara97 Calinou: I am building it
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16:50 Calinou if you need tips, feel free to ask me :P
16:50 Jordach ^ IT Guy
16:51 Calinou ^ IT Guy
16:51 Jordach ^ IT Guy
16:51 Calinou heh
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16:51 Jordach Calinou, youre more skilled in the hardware department than me, if you know what im saying
16:53 ImQ009 Looking for advice from Calinou is the last thing I'd recommend :P
16:54 Calinou looking for advice from ImQ009 is the thing I'd recommend doing after asking from Calinou :P
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17:02 Jordach brb - food
17:03 RealBadAngel does he use farming mod or just eatin apples? ;)
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17:11 Jordach RealBadAngel, hm?
17:12 Jordach Calinou, why does moreblocks_pane_glass use the xyz panes mod texture
17:12 Jordach why cant it use the default one
17:12 Calinou because :P
17:13 Calinou I should remove the whole panes thing, it doesn't work and probably never will
17:16 Calinou done
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17:17 jordan4ibanez pilzadam do you remember the 3d item commit?
17:19 Jordach Calinou, moreblocks needs 3 more textures and its fucking done
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17:24 jordan4ibanez I just tried to run a command /time 6000
17:24 jordan4ibanez on youtube
17:25 jordan4ibanez because the video was too dark
17:25 jordan4ibanez Wat
17:28 Jordach Calinou, moreblocks support complete
17:36 khonkhortisan I wrote --printf to comment it out
17:37 Calinou --echo is better
17:39 VanessaE hi all.
17:39 Calinou hi
17:39 khonkhortisan How do I draw a line on a formspec?
17:40 iqualfragile hi
17:42 khonkhortisan hi
17:42 * PilzAdam pokes VanessaE with worldedit++
17:42 khonkhortisan I put worldedit++ in the worldedit modpack
17:42 VanessaE //replace PilzAdam default:stone
17:42 PilzAdam wrong
17:42 khonkhortisan And so the stoneman was made...
17:42 VanessaE :)
17:43 khonkhortisan what mod is PilzAdam in?
17:43 khonkhortisan that assumes default:
17:43 VanessaE khonkhortisan: legacy alias :D
17:43 PilzAdam /select default:stone
17:43 PilzAdam /replace PilzAdam
17:43 khonkhortisan huh?
17:43 VanessaE ew
17:43 VanessaE talk about a violation of worldedit standard command
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17:43 Jordach /replace default:PilzAdam default:VanessaE
17:45 khonkhortisan Would it be something like line = function(minx,maxy,miny,maxy) for x,y=minx miny,maxx maxy do formspec = formspec..'image['..x..','..y..']' end end, ?
17:46 khonkhortisan where the image is a white pixel
17:46 * Calinou updated his IRC build
17:46 Calinou https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/82342922/minetest/minetest-irc-ubuntu-1210-amd64.zip
17:46 VanessaE never tried to embed an image into a formspec, other than as a background image ala unified inventory
17:47 khonkhortisan I think a series of images would be a hacky way of drawing a straight line
17:47 khonkhortisan I want to draw lines to separate mods in the UI creative inventory
17:47 VanessaE khonkhortisan: just add your line to the background image, which is ui_form_bg.png I think
17:47 VanessaE manually draw it in there with gimp or so
17:48 khonkhortisan heh. Can't do that.
17:48 khonkhortisan The creative inventory has multiple items in it. For every page, in between every two items, if the modnames aren't the same, draw white line.
17:49 VanessaE OH
17:49 VanessaE I see what you wanna do
17:49 VanessaE that will be...difficult
17:49 khonkhortisan yep
17:49 PilzAdam VanessaE, worldedit++ has a "selected" node for each player
17:49 Jordach PilzAdam, worldedit has that too
17:49 PilzAdam so you dont have to type in /set same:node everytime
17:49 PilzAdam you can select nodes with /select node:name
17:50 khonkhortisan But it would make it slightly faster to find a node (without searching) If you look at a node and recognize it to be from the wrong mod, you can skip down to the next white line instead of looking at all the nodes on the way there
17:50 PilzAdam or just /select and it will use your wielded node
17:50 VanessaE since mods aren't divided by pages or even lines - you'll either have to draw multiple L- or zig-zag lines to divide the mods, or if you'll excuse the word processing analogy, add a "line break" after each class, or a "page break"
17:50 khonkhortisan I'll process every "edge" separately, so I'm only drawing equal-length horizontal/vertical lines
17:50 VanessaE PilzAdam: I see.  better you should add automatic selection to the //replace command - if given two params, //replace A B should behave as //select A; //replace B
17:51 PilzAdam yea, I guess I add that
17:51 PilzAdam also /set nodename
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17:52 VanessaE I can see a use for your way too though
17:53 khonkhortisan On my lan server, water and lava were placed in the air, destroying the outer layer of a building. When I removed the liquid, I was left with a layer of stone (over desert_sand over desert_stone over stone) Because it flowed downhill, I can't just select all of it and replace stone with air, that would replace the regular stone. Worldedit doesn't have a floodfill-select.
17:53 VanessaE can the user set multiple selections?  e.g. //select A B C D  selects all of nodes A/B/C/D for replacement/setting ?
17:53 VanessaE that would be quite handy to have in some situations
17:53 PilzAdam I dont have that
17:54 khonkhortisan If there wasn't an entity limit, you could draw a grid surrounding the worldedit volume
17:54 VanessaE khonkhortisan: which is precisely why the 'lavacooling' function in gloopblocks creates obsidian, pumice, and basalt, so that you get unique materials that are unlikely to be accidentally by a //replace command in that sort of situation.
17:54 PilzAdam should A replace B or B replace A in /replace A B ?
17:54 VanessaE PilzAdam: B replaces A.
17:54 PilzAdam yep
17:54 PilzAdam thought the same
17:54 khonkhortisan I like the obsidian, but not the stone cooling. I'll go get that mod.
17:54 VanessaE //replace air stone changes all air into stone in the region.
17:55 VanessaE accidentally altered*
17:57 BlockMen khonkhortisian, you can draw an image over the whole formspec if you wan to
17:57 khonkhortisan Hmm. I should just use two images | and - instead of using multiple .
17:58 Deivan Hello guys.  Someone know if trees have a bone structure?  Mods like the timbe will work better if each tree is a entity.  Is my point.
17:58 Deivan timber...
17:58 VanessaE Deivan: trees are just node.
17:58 VanessaE nodes.
17:59 khonkhortisan timbeh nodeh
17:59 Deivan Yes, but have a project to become entities?
17:59 VanessaE you'll have to iterate through them from the cut point on up, possibly out into the branches if they're large trees.
17:59 VanessaE why would they become entities?
17:59 Deivan I have a idea for make more nice trees, with roots and damaging things.
17:59 khonkhortisan Are they going to move around?
18:00 VanessaE trees have no such code built in, they are just nodes, they may as well be stone or dirt for that matter, so you'd have to code that yourself.
18:00 BlockMen khonkhortisan, "image[0,0;width,height;your_image.png]".. with that you could draw with one image a line
18:00 Deivan If each tree is a entity is possible kill him, he will grow, he will crash things.
18:01 * VanessaE imagines a moretrees giant sequoia lumbering across a map
18:01 Deivan Like your house.
18:01 Deivan Hehehe
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18:01 jordan4ibanez lol this is very true http://i.imgur.com/CDn9TiK.jpg
18:02 khonkhortisan Are there any one-node-high floating bridges in minetest?
18:02 Deivan I don't planing see trees falling down in any direction...  Only falling down directy to the ground, but I love if see roots crushing stones.  :D
18:02 VanessaE khonkhortisan: you mean naturally occurring in the map?
18:02 Deivan Or make a monster who parasite a tree.
18:03 Deivan Or make a monster from a tree.
18:03 khonkhortisan Um, something that's shaped like rail that I can walk on - oh. Copper!
18:03 Deivan Well, a monster from a tree is very possible now... Hum...
18:03 Deivan :-D
18:03 VanessaE khonkhortisan: 1/4 thick stone slabs + rails :)
18:04 khonkhortisan woodpecker creating trunk_with_hole
18:04 Deivan VanessaE, already have the conner for fences?
18:04 khonkhortisan but the rail won't get placed on the top of the slab
18:04 VanessaE Deivan: in homedecor?  chain link fences have corners, that's it so far.
18:04 VanessaE haven't bothered to do others yet
18:04 VanessaE khonkhortisan: turn the slab upside down
18:04 Deivan Is a problem if I make some more?  :-D
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18:05 VanessaE Deivan: not at all, just be sure you're using the same style as the existing ones.  If you can re-use the existing textures, that would be a plus.  pull requests welcome.
18:05 VanessaE hey Traxie21
18:05 Traxie21 hai
18:05 Deivan I test and wll send to you the idea, if you like then update the mod.  :D
18:05 Traxie21 Working on the timer for the HUD of Potionspack
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18:06 VanessaE Deivan: ok
18:06 Deivan A some time a read some about a java hud, what is?  Have screen shots?
18:06 Deivan Ops
18:06 Deivan lua hud
18:06 VanessaE no screenshots exist yet
18:07 VanessaE it was just added in the last couple of days.
18:07 VanessaE Traxie21's project is the first I know of that will use it.
18:07 Traxie21 BlockMen has hunger that uses it
18:07 Traxie21 :3
18:07 Traxie21 Mine is more advanced though, >:D
18:07 VanessaE already?
18:08 Traxie21 http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=85021#p85021
18:09 BlockMen "this simple mod is mainly for testing the new LUA HUD." :P
18:09 Traxie21 friggin globalsteps, why not a simple minetest.after loop
18:09 BlockMen i like globalstep
18:09 Traxie21 isn't it more laggy though?
18:09 Traxie21 and less reliable?
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18:09 BlockMen idk how it is for other user, but it works kinda good for me
18:09 khonkhortisan it's not a consistent time change
18:09 Traxie21 because it has to run the check every step, instead of just when called
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18:12 Traxie21 The thing I don't like about the HUD API is that it is rediculously  complicated to get the id for a specific HUD element when other mods are installed without conflicts
18:12 Traxie21 we should be able to use the name instead of the ID
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18:13 Deivan The idea of the lua hud is the possibility to make a custom hud?
18:14 BlockMen the most problem i have atm is that it fits not good when screen size is changed
18:14 BlockMen and that we cant replace the old elements.
18:14 BlockMen they should be reworked with lua hud too
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18:15 Deivan Ops, RL is calling...  AFK
18:17 Traxie21 GAAH
18:18 Traxie21 I hate the nil errors that never tell you where the error is!
18:18 BlockMen yeah, they are the best ;)
18:19 Traxie21 13:18:49: ERROR[main]: ServerError: LuaError: error: attempt to index a nil value
18:19 Traxie21 BlockMen, can you help me w/ this? Imma pastebin it
18:19 Traxie21 http://pastebin.com/FaRQj90m
18:19 BlockMen i could take a look at
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18:21 Traxie21 Every time I try to make a timer function, I get that nil error.
18:24 BlockMen hmm, im not sure about the after function
18:25 Traxie21 What about it?
18:27 BlockMen i had trouble with it often. could you try it following way: http://pastebin.com/SeswCxb0 ?
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18:27 minetest-9F5F396 <singleplayer> test
18:28 Jordach who the hell uses minetest irc
18:28 Traxie21 Sorry, testing
18:28 PilzAdam Traxie21, please dont use this channel for testing
18:29 minetest-9F5F396 was kicked by sfan5: exactly!
18:29 Traxie21 My mistake,
18:29 sfan5 the minetest irc mod is nice, but just creates unneeded spam
18:30 PilzAdam VanessaE, done
18:30 Traxie21 I can see that
18:31 mauvebic bot proliferation lol didn't see that coming </sarcasm> :P
18:32 Traxie21 jojoa wants me to install the irc mod :3
18:32 mauvebic ive played many online games over the year, once bots get their foot in the door, you never get rid of them lol
18:32 mauvebic *years
18:32 Traxie21 BlockMen: That still dosnt work :I
18:33 BlockMen Traxie21, sry, was just an idea.
18:33 Traxie21 Yeah, thats what I tried originally
18:34 mauvebic http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=3795 == http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5615 ??
18:36 BlockMen Traxie21, i think i found it
18:36 Traxie21 Me too, but you first :3
18:36 TheBonsai m00
18:37 BlockMen use string.len(iname) instead of iname:len()
18:38 Traxie21 uhh, ianme:len() works fine
18:38 Traxie21 what are you implying?
18:38 BlockMen at me it is always crashing with iname:len() :\
18:38 Traxie21 huh
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18:40 mauvebic spelling is getting worse on the forums lol i think we'll need simultaneous english to english translators soon :p
18:41 Traxie21 I'd have to agree with you mauvebic X_X
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18:41 STHGOM \
18:41 mauvebic though it sucks for those of us who dont speak english as a 1st language to see anglos themselves write so poorly lol
18:44 STHGOM Poca: are you there?
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18:45 Traxie21 IRC Mod causes lag
18:45 Calinou_ hi
18:45 khonkhortisan Maybe it's waiting for a response
18:45 Calinou_ Traxie21, weird
18:46 Calinou_ I didn't try it though
18:46 Traxie21 I mean, it takes forever to join, everyone is timing out
18:46 Calinou_ but maybe it does
18:46 Calinou_ o
18:46 Calinou_ ah, that
18:46 mauvebic luasocket can be a tricky dick
18:46 Traxie21 nvm, its working now
18:46 mauvebic my garlic plant died :(
18:47 STHGOM :(
18:47 mauvebic the only thing i was ever good at growing is only legal in amsterdam lol
18:47 jordan4ibanez BlockMen would you like to test the new style of itemdrop?
18:47 mauvebic wouldnt take the risk today with thermal imaging being so cheap for PDs
18:47 jordan4ibanez or Jordach?
18:47 BlockMen jordan4ibanez, sure
18:47 Calinou_ jordan4ibanez, minitest already has 3D items
18:48 mauvebic i could try growing jordachs yeah
18:48 jordan4ibanez Well this isn't minitest, this is better and cleaner
18:48 Jordach jordan4ibanez, huh
18:49 mauvebic cool: http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/13/04/19/189213/worlds-largest-ocean-thermal-power-plant-planned-for-china?utm_source=slashdot&amp;utm_medium=twitter
18:49 Jordach stopped reading at china
18:49 Calinou_ "hardware", I was expecting some news about zalman's new coolers noone uses
18:49 VanessaE define "new"
18:49 mauvebic lol whats wrong with china building power plants? they got a ton of people over there lol
18:50 Jordach mauvebic, theres an easy way to grow weed
18:50 Jordach dont use heat lamps
18:50 mauvebic move to amsterdam?
18:50 Calinou_ VanessaE, http://www.hardware.fr/news/13081/zalman-cnps2x-27mm-hauteur.html <= google translate ;)
18:50 Calinou_ if that's what you're talking about
18:50 * VanessaE uses a Zalman CNPS 5X cooler + Arctic Silver AS5
18:50 mauvebic but with heatlamps its an average of 2-3 months
18:51 mauvebic outdoors is crap
18:51 jordan4ibanez these are the 3 main commits http://goo.gl/VFdqd, http://goo.gl/FU9fv, http://goo.gl/B9PZL. Tell me how digging nodes looks and feels. You throw a single item down normally, and if you hold shift you throw the entire stack
18:51 * Calinou_ uses TS140 + normal thermal paste
18:51 mauvebic i prefer colgate
18:51 VanessaE I don't see how anything that small could possibly be efficient enough
18:51 iqualfragile mauvebic: more like 93800000 tons
18:51 Calinou_ mayonnaise is not bad as alternative paste, but worse than intel paste
18:51 mauvebic tons?
18:51 mauvebic tons of what i mean
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18:52 jordan4ibanez Blockmen, Jordach, the main things I want to hear from you is how aesthetically pleasing the changes to item drop with advanced item drop is
18:52 Calinou_ hi Jeija
18:52 jordan4ibanez Hello Jeija
18:52 iqualfragile yeah, tons of people
18:52 iqualfragile assuming one person has a weight of ~ 70 kg
18:53 mauvebic though i did that like, a decade ago, prices were ++ and risks were --
18:53 mauvebic these days people get robbed and shot for the stuff, so fuck that lol
18:54 Traxie21 minetest.after(1, function()
18:54 Traxie21 timer(player)
18:54 Traxie21 end)
18:54 Traxie21 not what i meant to paste :I
18:54 Traxie21 IRC mod uses iterating through all players instead of minetest.chat_send_all :O
18:54 mauvebic though at least there was something to rob, the UPS Store was a complete disaster by comparison lol
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18:55 BlockMen jordan4libanez, i spawned in the floor of spawnpoint building...
18:55 jordan4ibanez Oh right
18:56 jordan4ibanez did it fail to set your player physics?
18:56 mauvebic dang, CBS live stream keeps cutting reports in half for updates and retracting half those updates lol
18:57 mauvebic why not report live from twitter instead lol
18:57 Calinou_ <CBS> OH COOL! I FOUND A NEW +5 HEALTH PACK! MUCH MORE INTERESTING THAN BRINGING THAT STUPID FLAG HOME
18:57 VanessaE reports for what?  boston?
18:57 Calinou_ --my signature, edited
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18:57 mauvebic yeah
18:57 VanessaE meh
18:57 Traxie21 does kaeza ever come on here?
18:57 jordan4ibanez blockmen, did it fail to set your playerphysics?
18:58 VanessaE it's over and done with, people.  clean up the mess, heal the injured, and find the guy who is still at large.
18:58 Calinou_ Traxie21, sometimes, yes
18:58 iqualfragile mauvebic: tons of people in china
18:58 mauvebic though BBC beat them to it starting their coverage last night
18:58 BlockMen jordan4ibanez, nope
18:58 Calinou_ you could post an issue/pull request on github too
18:58 mauvebic vanessae its not done until they get the other guy
18:58 Calinou_ https://github.com/kaeza/minetest-irc
18:58 PilzAdam VanessaE, have you tested Worldedit++ on your server yet? </annoying>
18:58 mauvebic iqualfragile seriously and with more and more money, so more electricity is needed obvs
18:58 BlockMen i was just in the stone brick, thats all
18:58 jordan4ibanez blockmen: how far down?
18:59 BlockMen kinda, let me check
18:59 VanessaE mauvebic: you mean the *police chase* is not done yet.  The rest of it needs to be put to bed already, lest we start a string of copycat bombers.
18:59 mauvebic i still dont get *how* the second guy got away like that
18:59 Calinou_ because he has a beard
18:59 Calinou_ not having a beard makes you more visible, thus easier to hit
18:59 Calinou_ science!
18:59 mauvebic i saw the whole gunfight live and it seemed to go on forever, how do you get away from a situation like that
19:00 VanessaE PilzAdam: no I have not.  Can it be installed alongside regular worldedit?
19:00 PilzAdam sure
19:00 PilzAdam since it doesnt use the same command names ;-)
19:00 mauvebic calinou are chechens muslims? i know little about that corner of the world
19:00 BlockMen jordan4ibanez, ups. i have closed it...
19:00 BlockMen but i guess like 8-10 nodes
19:00 BlockMen and there are saplings in the spawn point
19:01 jordan4ibanez Blockmen, ignore that and please test the items, that happens randomly, and I cannot find the cause of the issue, I might have to use minetest.after
19:01 Calinou_ mauvebic, no? google is your friend :P
19:01 Calinou_ s/google/startpage
19:01 STHGOM Bye
19:01 mauvebic theres tons of contradictory stuff on the internet, last night it was two completely different names going around lol
19:01 jordan4ibanez blockmen: there are saplings because the building will generate through the landscape and will destroy trees
19:01 mauvebic so i thought id ask people who are abit closer than i am
19:03 mauvebic also wonder if this will improve Russian/American relations, considering their history with Chechnya
19:03 BlockMen jordan4ibanez, the changes to items drop i really gd. it has a nice polish.
19:03 BlockMen and yeah, i know. just thought you would want know that...
19:04 jordan4ibanez Thank you :D And I know, I have to use some sort of fake air or run an all-pass and somehow destroy the landscape before the building is placed or something
19:05 BlockMen oh, and the sounds are nice. they should become deault
19:06 * PilzAdam just got a main menu with almost no clouds
19:06 Traxie21 PilzAdam will have a good day today ^_^
19:06 PilzAdam just one little edge of a cloud, maybe 10x10 pixels
19:06 Traxie21 at least, a hot one
19:07 Traxie21 SunriseTest now runs IRC, connect at ##sunrisetest.
19:07 khonkhortisan This finite lake can't decide whether it wants to flow into the cave or not
19:07 BlockMen PilzAdam, how hard would it be to implement a "inventory_open()" and "inventory_close()" event for lua?
19:08 PilzAdam I dont know if the client even sends TOSERVER_INVENTORY_CLOSE
19:08 TheBonsai BlockMen: heh
19:08 PilzAdam inventory_open() would be probably easy
19:08 BlockMen TheBonsai, huh?
19:08 BlockMen PilzAdam, i would like a _close more...
19:09 PilzAdam yes, everyone wants that
19:09 TheBonsai BlockMen: i just commented in your crafting mod that i found the way to detect inventory lose weird but saw no other way
19:09 TheBonsai BlockMen: and i think it's what you're talking about right now
19:10 BlockMen TheBonsai, oh ic.  and ya, that events could become pratical for more than just that mod
19:10 TheBonsai ack ack
19:11 BlockMen ?
19:11 TheBonsai "yes, yes"
19:12 BlockMen ok
19:12 Calinou_ resend packet, resend packet
19:12 VanessaE PilzAdam: ok, it's installed.
19:12 TheBonsai hooks and probably a bitfield (similar to controls status). though what PilzAdam just said makes it a bit of work i guess
19:12 Calinou_ end of stream
19:12 TheBonsai Calinou_: :P
19:13 khonkhortisan A single character can ruin your day: image[<X>,<Y>;<W>;<H>;<texture name>]
19:13 PilzAdam VanessaE, latest?
19:13 VanessaE yeah, I just cloned it
19:14 VanessaE about to try a large operation now.
19:14 PilzAdam can you throw me worldedit priv?
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19:14 PilzAdam if its not /dig or /fixlight theres no problem
19:14 VanessaE done.
19:15 VanessaE actually, I'm just gonna try replacing a big area of underground lava
19:15 VanessaE /p1...
19:15 VanessaE /p2...
19:15 VanessaE /select default:lava_source ...
19:16 khonkhortisan /p1 <click> /p2 <click> /floodselect <click> //replace air
19:19 PilzAdam in my mod its /p1p and /p2p click
19:20 VanessaE PilzAdam: the area I selected never got changed.
19:20 VanessaE (after the /replace command I mean)
19:21 PilzAdam what have you called exactly?
19:22 VanessaE Move to a spot, /p1.  Move to another spot diagonally opposite.  /p2  /select default:lava_source  /replace default:mossycobble
19:22 VanessaE server shutting down!
19:22 VanessaE *checks log*
19:22 mauvebic its not a single command replace?
19:22 * PilzAdam hopes its not wpp
19:22 mauvebic /replace node1 node2
19:22 VanessaE 15:21:36: ERROR[main]: ERROR: An unhandled exception occurred: ServerError: LuaE
19:22 VanessaE rror: error: ....minetest/games/vanessae_game/mods/worldedit_pp/init.lua:29: bad
19:22 VanessaE argument #2 to 'chat_send_player' (string expected, got nil)
19:23 mauvebic nodes = param:split(' ')
19:23 PilzAdam VanessaE, fix pushed
19:24 VanessaE first time I did it, I got the "starting" message, and eventually the "finished" message.  This time, I only got the "starting" message, followed by that crash.
19:24 VanessaE ok
19:24 PilzAdam until the fix is in you better dont call /set with a not known node name...
19:24 VanessaE and...server restarted with the update.
19:26 VanessaE ok, trying another replace action, same general area.
19:26 VanessaE ETA, 19 seconds
19:26 VanessaE finished.
19:26 VanessaE nothing was changed.
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19:30 rubenwardy bye all
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19:30 diabolos Hi
19:31 jordan4ibanez I'm trying to make the server transfer to the client as much as possible to emulate a singleplayer game http://pastie.org/pastes/7665970/text is there any way to make the transfer between server and client any better?
19:31 diabolos Minetest womt connect to any server via Port 30000
19:31 diabolos *won't
19:32 diabolos anyone want to help me?
19:32 diabolos Ello?
19:33 khonkhortisan Hello
19:33 diabolos I needs help
19:33 diabolos Minetest wont connect to sny servers except one
19:33 diabolos *any
19:35 VanessaE what exact version of minetest?
19:35 VanessaE and what are the symptoms?
19:36 khonkhortisan I can't seem to rotate formspec images this way: formspec = formspec..''image['..x..','..y..';'..w..','..h..';'..texturename..minetest.formspec_escape('^[transformR90')..']'
19:36 VanessaE PilzAdam: aw shit, you overrode the system's /set command
19:36 VanessaE bad bad bad
19:36 PilzAdam oh
19:37 VanessaE maybe use /setnode or something
19:37 khonkhortisan Are we not using double slashes anymore?
19:37 VanessaE khonkhortisan: this isn't regular worldedit :)
19:37 PilzAdam I change it to /setarea
19:37 khonkhortisan So if I use double slashes, it won't use worldedit++'s functions?
19:37 VanessaE that'll work
19:37 VanessaE khonkhortisan: correct, it'll use the regular ones.
19:38 khonkhortisan oooooohhhhh
19:38 khonkhortisan What's wrong with this? ...image[13.005,5.805;1,1;ui_mod_separator.png^\[transformR90]...
19:39 khonkhortisan it won't turn
19:39 VanessaE PilzAdam: think you can do /move also ala regular worldedit?
19:39 VanessaE (and of course /load and /save )
19:39 PilzAdam done
19:39 PilzAdam yea, I have to look into that
19:40 VanessaE wonderful
19:40 PilzAdam wait, dont pull
19:40 VanessaE those are by far the *laggiest* commands in regular worldedit, especially //move, as it moves the entire volume including the air nodes
19:40 Xenorax So, in the Technic pack, how does one use the Tree Tap?
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19:40 VanessaE Xenorax: I think you use it like a tool, on a rubber tree.
19:41 mauvebic i dropped my own version of move a long time ago, i found it simpler to bluprint, remove, and respawn seperately
19:41 Xenorax Ah, there's my problem then.
19:41 markveidemanis Hi
19:41 markveidemanis I need an OS to run minetest
19:41 VanessaE Linux.
19:41 TheBonsai install one?
19:41 markveidemanis It needs to only be able to run minetest and other games, i dont care about all the other junk
19:42 markveidemanis 20MB>
19:42 PilzAdam VanessaE, now you can pull
19:42 VanessaE in a sec
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19:44 VanessaE was demonstrating the changes to abe
19:44 VanessaE pulled and server updated.
19:45 Exio is there anyway to place "unknown" (not registered) nodes in the map?
19:45 Exio with certain param2 values and so
19:45 Exio in-game, i mean
19:45 PilzAdam what should be done first: /save /load etc. or saving user data / progress of current action?
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19:46 Ristovski Ohai Cal!
19:46 PilzAdam Exio, worldedit has a command to run Lua functions in the normal mod environment
19:46 VanessaE PilzAdam: /save and /load
19:46 VanessaE since server restarts aren't usually very common
19:46 VanessaE I'd expect saves and loads to be done more often
19:47 VanessaE (I personally always //pos1 way up in the air, //load, then re-select the area and //move it into position)
19:47 Calinou hi Ristovski :P
19:48 Ristovski Calinou: is there any other game channel you are in? :P
19:48 Ristovski every game I find out, you are there
19:48 VanessaE Exio: I don't think so, no.
19:48 Exio hm
19:49 VanessaE Exio: it used to be possible to replace them via worldedit, but not since someone added those checks that the supplied node names are valid.
19:49 PilzAdam VanessaE, sure, the more complicated thing first :-)
19:49 VanessaE lol
19:50 Exio well
19:51 Exio i'll remove those checks then
19:55 BlockMen bye
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19:56 FreeFull Someone has been to my house on sky hardcore and stole my windows
19:56 FreeFull Also doors and trees
19:56 VanessaE now the next thing that needs worked on is in the client, this damn fog should not cause dark areas to brighten up.
19:56 Ristovski FreeFull: stole your windows? install linux next time
19:56 FreeFull And set up a papyrus farm
19:56 Ristovski lol
19:57 Calinou FreeFull, not me ;)
19:57 Calinou sky hardcore needs a reset and should have give_initial_stuff enabled IMO
19:57 Calinou it's unplayable right now
19:57 Calinou also, I'm stuck in ground
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19:58 mauvebic thats intentional, calinou-farming :p
20:01 Ristovski hmm, sprinting would be nice
20:01 Calinou a server admin could set fast mode speed to 5
20:01 Calinou so that when you use fast mode you sprint
20:01 khonkhortisan Does anyone have an example of a rotated image in a formspec?
20:01 Calinou would be infinite though
20:02 mauvebic i wish there was more than one tier of fast move
20:02 Ristovski Calinou: meh, double tap would be better
20:02 Calinou what I'd like: revise health to have 100 points instead of 20, show a bar, add stamina whose maximum is the amount of health you have, make health regenerate slowly (1 hp per 5 minutes)
20:02 Ristovski aka, standard MC way
20:02 Calinou double tap is stupid, too
20:02 mauvebic dont know what effect that would have on the server, but sometimes i need to move faster than that
20:02 Ristovski Calinou: why
20:02 Calinou because you can't handle it easily and you can't sprint sideways
20:02 mauvebic double tap?
20:02 Calinou if sprint ever gets added, sprinting sideways is a must
20:03 Ristovski mauvebic: double tap 'W' to sprint
20:03 Ristovski Calinou: ooor, atleast jump sideways?
20:03 Calinou jump sideways? you can already do that
20:03 Ristovski I mean, more
20:03 mauvebic lack of crouching for 1m high tunnels
20:03 Ristovski current jump is too weak
20:03 mauvebic how am i supposed to send children into the coal mines without crouch?
20:04 khonkhortisan crouching/crawling
20:04 Ristovski Calinou: also, why can you put a block where you are standing, and another one on top of that
20:04 Ristovski you can suffocate yourself
20:04 mauvebic well you shouldn't be able to place blocks where players/entities are standing
20:04 khonkhortisan entities don't count as non-air nodes
20:05 FreeFull Maybe the staircase up wasn't a good idea
20:05 FreeFull Calinou: It's not unplayable, it's hardcore =P
20:06 Calinou to the point it isn't fun
20:06 Calinou zero trees, only way to get out of spawn is to fall
20:06 mauvebic huh, how machiavellian, liberals pass a motion supporting conservative backbenchers who want to reopen the abortion debate... drawing out the nutbars :P
20:07 Calinou mauvebic, lua HUD, real life edition
20:07 * Calinou draws a nutbar on mauvebic's scren
20:07 Calinou 10 nuts left
20:07 mauvebic i guess that would make me the ultimate man
20:07 Calinou if you place a fence you lose one nut
20:07 mauvebic most only have two
20:07 Calinou 0 nuts and you die
20:07 VanessaE PilzAdam: in your carts mod, perhaps you can add the recently-implemented player set yaw and set pitch functions
20:08 Ristovski Calinou: what are rats used for anyways?
20:08 PilzAdam Im not sure if its good
20:08 PilzAdam (to add them)
20:08 VanessaE they work fine in sokomine's teleporter mod
20:08 VanessaE (the travelnet booths)
20:08 Calinou Ristovski, using the simplemobs mod? well, you can cook them
20:08 Calinou and eat them for 3 hearts
20:08 Ristovski ok
20:09 PilzAdam seems like this: https://github.com/Uberi/MineTest-WorldEdit/blob/master/worldedit/serialization.lua#L206 is all the magic behind /load
20:10 mauvebic jesus christ, tricky regex
20:10 VanessaE holy smokes
20:10 mauvebic is that simpler than just splitting with spaces or special chars?
20:11 PilzAdam can someone pouint me to a .we file with the latest format?
20:11 VanessaE PilzAdam: anything ending in .wem should be current enough
20:11 VanessaE um
20:11 VanessaE *thinks*
20:11 VanessaE wait
20:11 mauvebic sokomine's village mod
20:11 mauvebic should come with WE's
20:12 VanessaE http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/worldedit-schems/
20:12 VanessaE BAM!
20:12 VanessaE most of these were //save'd with a very recent worldedit
20:13 VanessaE these are buildings I //save'd from my old server map while copying them to the new one, plus a few that were sent to me
20:14 PilzAdam were are they saved in worldedit?
20:15 VanessaE yep
20:15 VanessaE :)
20:15 VanessaE .wem is worldedit's metadata format, .we is the version that lacks it
20:15 PilzAdam +h
20:15 VanessaE I think that unified load/save option writes in .wem format
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20:16 jojoa1997|Tablet i get the error '<name>' expected near '('
20:16 VanessaE jojoa1997|Tablet: pastebin the complete error and the code that produces it
20:16 jojoa1997|Tablet and like im supposed to i have func = function(name, param)
20:16 VanessaE OH
20:16 VanessaE *where* are they saved.. um
20:16 VanessaE nfc :)
20:17 VanessaE I would guess line 35
20:17 VanessaE https://github.com/Uberi/MineTest-WorldEdit/blob/master/worldedit/serialization.lua#L35
20:17 VanessaE or not.
20:17 VanessaE dunno, I've never dug into worldedit's code
20:17 PilzAdam I mean, were are the files loaded from (wich directory)
20:17 PilzAdam *where
20:18 VanessaE oh
20:18 VanessaE they're saved/loaded to minetestfolder/worlds/yourworld/schems
20:18 * PilzAdam english fail
20:18 mauvebic ROFLMAO: http://t.co/kODkDx9h9H
20:19 khonkhortisan What shall we do to nodes that don't have modnames?
20:19 VanessaE kill them with fire! :)
20:19 VanessaE unless they're legacy/aliases
20:19 khonkhortisan I just segfaulted minetest trying to split cooked_rat
20:19 jordan4ibanez I wish we had the ability for entities to be semi-physical, to collide with the nodes, but not the entities
20:20 khonkhortisan That's how players are
20:21 jordan4ibanez so if we add in players, as item drops, the problem shall be solved
20:21 jordan4ibanez lol, when you drop an item, the server starts a new client, gives him the mesh of the item, and controls the client like an item XD
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20:22 khonkhortisan Then they fly around and lava attacks you
20:23 jordan4ibanez I was going to add in server-side block friction, because I thought it all out, and it would work, and wouldn't be too laggy at all, but it's a meh thing, because people would probably complain abouti t
20:23 jordan4ibanez it*
20:26 khonkhortisan > bin/minetest 1 / 12 tests failed. > bin/minetest 1 / 12 tests failed. > bin/minetest 1 / 12 tests failed. > bin/minetest 1 / 12 tests failed. > bin/minetest 1 / 12 tests failed. > bin/minetest 1 / 12 tests failed. > bin/minetest 1 / 12 tests failed. > bin/minetest 1 / 12 tests failed. > bin/minetest 1 / 12 tests failed. > bin/minetest 1 / 12 tests failed. > bin/minetest Creating X window...
20:26 khonkhortisan I don't like debug mode.
20:27 jordan4ibanez that sounds complex
20:28 jordan4ibanez http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=84913#p84913 someone mentions luajit and there must be a luajit keyword sensor because mods jumped on it like flies to poop
20:28 Calinou lol
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20:33 mauvebic ive noticed operations from certain mods quitting prematurely with JIT installed, i assume its the different GC in action
20:34 Koren woot i ear my feets
20:34 Calinou your feet talk?
20:34 mauvebic which is no surprise to me, you can only get things done faster by cutting corners here and there
20:35 Koren yes ingame my footsteps make sound its nice
20:35 Calinou not new
20:35 Calinou that was added in march 2012 :P
20:35 Koren ok then I may have build it badly
20:36 Koren todays build added sound to me xD
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20:38 VanessaE mauvebic: or by compiling the Lua into CPU-executable code.
20:38 VanessaE if a mod "quits" prematurely, that's a bug in the mod or in the engine.
20:39 mauvebic naw ive definately noticed differences between vanilla and jit with the same engine/mods
20:40 mauvebic some mods are faster, others are quitting sooner
20:40 mauvebic most a draw for me
20:40 mauvebic *mostly
20:40 mauvebic i dont know what would be faster, cpp mods or compiled lua
20:40 VanessaE cpp would be faster.
20:41 VanessaE but not worth the effort
20:41 mauvebic for some mods it might
20:41 VanessaE btw, mauvebic ....take your damn cold weather back already ;)
20:41 mauvebic its actually pretty bloody warm here lol
20:41 mauvebic have a giant lake in the yard from the melted snow :p
20:42 mauvebic my sister in calgary is pissed, 15+c and theyre anouncing snow AND rain, wtf lol
20:43 mauvebic mmmm, leftover eye-talian poutine :D
20:43 VanessaE sucks to be her :)
20:43 mauvebic she didn't go there for the weather though
20:43 mauvebic chem engineer
20:43 mauvebic good money but she hates the place lol
20:44 mauvebic aparently she's on the same street as stephen harper, she thought of putting up a quebec flag lol
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20:46 mauvebic i couldn't take those prairie winters though
20:51 mauvebic "Siri Keeps Your Data For Two Years" im flabbergasted lol
20:51 jojoa1997|Tablet PilzAdam what is the function that makes plants grow in farming
20:51 PilzAdam dunno
20:52 Calinou ABMs
20:52 jojoa1997|Tablet your kidding -.-
20:52 VanessaE farming:look_at_vanessas_plants_lib
20:52 VanessaE ;-)
20:52 mauvebic ore_generation?
20:52 mauvebic :P
20:52 mauvebic thats a pretty complex grow function
20:53 mauvebic what do you need it for?
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20:58 PilzAdam has someone a small .wem file?
20:58 PilzAdam like 10 nodes or so
20:58 mauvebic im still surprised there isn't a repo or a thread where people put up their .wem's
20:59 VanessaE PilzAdam: none of the ones I shared are useful?
20:59 mauvebic prolly needs a short-n-sweet one to dissect
20:59 PilzAdam what is the smallest of them?
20:59 PilzAdam (cant see it in the webpage)
20:59 VanessaE um
21:00 VanessaE probably smallhouse1.wem
21:00 VanessaE that's only 10kb
21:00 VanessaE 906 lines
21:00 mauvebic dang
21:00 mauvebic for a small house?
21:01 mauvebic i wouldn't want to save one of my ships in .wem
21:01 VanessaE mauvebic: 1000 nodes would only be roughly 10x10x10 counting the air
21:01 mauvebic my dinkiest of ships is roughly 50K nodes
21:01 VanessaE or probably 20x20x20 actual
21:02 jojoa1997|Tablet PilzAdam where do you define what grows in farming
21:02 mauvebic lol read the code :p
21:02 jojoa1997|Tablet i am trying
21:03 mauvebic or ask him to write your mod :p
21:03 jojoa1997|Tablet mauvebic PilzAdam does not define it anywhere
21:03 jojoa1997|Tablet but he got it to work so he defined it somehow
21:03 mauvebic well, if you're gonna write something based off it, you need to understand how it works
21:04 mauvebic otherwise all you get is copypasta
21:04 TheBonsai i thought this was the intention of that question...
21:04 jojoa1997|Tablet actually no
21:05 mauvebic well there's understanding how it works and there's asking every step of the way
21:05 mauvebic not exactly the same
21:05 jojoa1997|Tablet i want to know where he defined which plants to grow so i can make another tool do something to them
21:05 mauvebic https://github.com/PilzAdam/farming
21:05 jojoa1997|Tablet i have it up right now
21:05 mauvebic where it says wheat.lua, weed.lua
21:05 jojoa1997|Tablet yes
21:06 jojoa1997|Tablet and look at init.lua
21:06 jojoa1997|Tablet farming:add_plant
21:06 mauvebic did you not notice the dofiles at the end?
21:06 jojoa1997|Tablet yes
21:06 mauvebic line 3: function farming:add_plant(full_grown, names, interval, chance)
21:06 jojoa1997|Tablet yeah i saw that
21:06 mauvebic then what is it youre not getting?
21:07 jojoa1997|Tablet i want to know where he DEFINED what PLANTS grow
21:07 mauvebic line 85 in wheat.lua: farming:add_plant("farming:wheat", {"farming:wheat_1", "farming:wheat_2", "farming:wheat_3"}, 50, 20)
21:07 sokomine guess for new plants it mostly takes textures. the rest seemed rather simple to do in farming last time i looked
21:07 jojoa1997|Tablet for example seeds dont grow
21:09 Calinou seeds don't grow; crops do
21:09 jojoa1997|Tablet yeah
21:09 jojoa1997|Tablet oh wait i found it
21:09 jojoa1997|Tablet it was in the middle of a bunch of code looking like it
21:09 sokomine just have a look what texture each of those is
21:09 jojoa1997|Tablet sokamine what are you talking about
21:10 mauvebic get an editor that can do text search :p
21:11 Calinou notepad is bad mkay
21:12 mauvebic i never mind helping people but when they ask me what to do every step of the way they might as well pay me to write it lol
21:13 PilzAdam VanessaE, have you tested loading a world in worldedit with LuaJIT?
21:13 PilzAdam *loading a .wem
21:13 VanessaE PilzAdam: for comparison, the largest is dopium1.wem, at 14.2 MB or about 1.1 million lines
21:13 VanessaE yes I have
21:13 VanessaE well, a .we file anyway
21:14 VanessaE OneCathedra.we (2.2MB, 77.6k lines)
21:14 VanessaE but as far as I understand, the same code is used to load both formats now
21:15 Calinou 14.2MB a schematic :o
21:15 PilzAdam please try smallhouse1.wem
21:15 Calinou how big would that be once built, in nodes?
21:15 mauvebic not exactly same code, just alot of conditionals
21:15 VanessaE Calinou: sign onto my server and I'll show you
21:16 VanessaE PilzAdam: sure, gimme a sec.
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21:18 VanessaE Calinou: go to where "testuser" is standing.
21:19 VanessaE that structure is dopium1.wem
21:19 VanessaE PilzAdam: I'm just looking for a place now to test the load.
21:19 john_minetest gtg, bye
21:26 Calinou 'night
21:26 Calinou VanessaE, i'll see later :P
21:27 PilzAdam VanessaE, the .wem files are version 2, not version 4
21:28 VanessaE oh, damn.
21:28 VanessaE guess I need to update worldedit again
21:28 VanessaE (this is 0.5 from git)
21:28 VanessaE hm, no
21:28 VanessaE my copy is up-to-date
21:28 VanessaE try OneCathetda.we
21:29 VanessaE no wait
21:29 VanessaE one of these I know I saved with this current worldedit
21:29 VanessaE fuck it, I'll re-save and post something.
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21:29 mauvebic a small fountain would prolly do
21:29 jordan4ibanez Imagine if I could get grant kirkhope to do music for minetest lol
21:30 mauvebic what about Lawrence Welk?
21:30 mauvebic i hear he's hip with the young people
21:30 mauvebic Bing Crosby might be too edgy though
21:30 VanessaE PilzAdam: http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/worldedit-schems/spawn.we
21:30 Calinou jordan4ibanez, just get psy to do that :P
21:30 VanessaE the spawn from the server, just now saved with current git of worldedit.
21:32 PilzAdam VanessaE, yep, that works
21:32 VanessaE need something with some metadata in it?
21:32 PilzAdam not really no
21:32 VanessaE ok
21:33 mauvebic the server list code could probably be tweaked to share blueprints in a seperate interface
21:33 mauvebic though the format would have to be alot more compact
21:33 PilzAdam VanessaE, is it ok if I only support altest WE format?
21:33 VanessaE PilzAdam: I think not
21:33 VanessaE there are a lot of older worldedit schems out there
21:34 VanessaE well
21:34 VanessaE you mean to save, or to load?
21:34 PilzAdam load
21:34 VanessaE yeah, you probably need to support the older formats as well
21:34 PilzAdam I guess I have to implement them all :-/
21:34 mauvebic write a seperate converter?
21:34 mauvebic batch converter even
21:35 mauvebic easy stuff in python
21:35 PilzAdam yea, someone should do that
21:35 mauvebic the more formats one tries to support, the more unmanageable the code becomes
21:36 mauvebic just look at openoffice lol
21:37 mauvebic my sister tried it for a day and said "fuck this" lol keeps trying to save in its own obscure opd format
21:40 VanessaE well no shit sherlock
21:40 VanessaE just as MS word saves in .doc format, which is even more obscure
21:40 VanessaE sorry, I give people no leeway for that sorta thing.
21:41 mauvebic well she had to go to school and get a job, no time for zealotous bullshit about opensource in such situations
21:41 VanessaE she coulda just told it to save as .doc
21:41 mauvebic even i print my docs in pdf because it preserves the formatting better than openoffice's take on microsoft formats
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21:42 Calinou VanessaE, fun fact: .docx is an open format!
21:42 jordan4ibanez Okay I give up I need help http://pastie.org/pastes/7667277/text?key=vitinrlbohtoljz6yenrkw
21:42 Calinou 3000 page specification (twice as short as UEFI :P)
21:43 jordan4ibanez I need the calls in the functioning definiton to be called in def.functioing in the abm
21:43 jordan4ibanez I just don't understand how
21:43 mauvebic please restate inquiry
21:44 jordan4ibanez entity_spawner.register_entity_spawner({functioning = funcition}) needs to get called in the abm def.functioning
21:45 Jordach 18 items left before MC4MT7 supports thefamilygrog's lrfurn
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21:46 jordan4ibanez OH I have to make another function some where else
21:46 PilzAdam VanessaE, /load for latest version pushed
21:46 VanessaE I'll check it shortly.
21:46 PilzAdam please report if it lags
21:47 PilzAdam if yes then I make it slower (like fixlight) to reduce lag
21:47 PilzAdam somone has a big .wem file in the latest version?
21:50 VanessaE I'll get something suitable in a short while, working on something unrelated at the moment.
21:51 Jordach anyways, lrfurn supported with MC4MT7
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21:53 Deivan VanessaE, ok, first corner done.
21:53 Deivan :)
21:53 VanessaE Deivan: which fence?
21:53 Deivan Picket and with picket
21:53 Deivan I posted the code in the homedecor topic.
21:53 Leoneof is there a webpage to view number of players in each server?
21:53 Deivan white
21:54 khonkhortisan "trap:cought_vombie"
21:54 Deivan I have some RL work, but the rest of the fences will be in the same way...  Leaving.
21:54 Deivan AFK
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21:54 Leoneof ok, found it, thanks
21:54 * khonkhortisan caughs
21:55 VanessaE Deivan: please make a pull request if you can
21:56 khonkhortisan Can some please tell me whether it is or is not possible to rotate images in a formspec?
21:58 Jordach <Jordach> anyways, going to support PilzAdam's beds mod
21:58 PilzAdam support with what?
21:59 Jordach MC4MT7
21:59 PilzAdam is that even possible?
21:59 Jordach PilzAdam, http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=997
21:59 Jordach the alternative to NOT INSTALLING Minitest
22:00 PilzAdam no, I mean converting MCs format to support my beds mod
22:00 Exio annoyingtest should be the new ame for minitest
22:00 Jordach PilzAdam, no, i'll use wool textures for now
22:00 Exio name*
22:00 Jordach s/minitest/moontest
22:00 PilzAdam Exio, good idea
22:00 jordan4ibanez pilzadam you are going to love the entity_spawner api
22:00 Jordach see, no difference
22:00 jordan4ibanez you can do whatever you want, it's crazy
22:01 PilzAdam I generally dislike every API that is not fully or partly written by me
22:01 OldCoder What's new?
22:01 jordan4ibanez https://github.com/jordan4ibanez/Minetest-Black/commit/6df5ee9b80d96a84454c898d32c53e4ca480f908 well not this one
22:01 jordan4ibanez All I need to do is make the abm functions in the def and it will be complete
22:02 Jordach OldCoder, nothing much
22:02 Jordach were you here for the 0.4.6 release?
22:02 Jordach I can't specifically remember
22:02 OldCoder Jordach, I have been occupied
22:02 Jordach OldCoder, i know.
22:02 OldCoder I have a MC person standing next to me
22:02 jordan4ibanez This entity spawner api comes with a spawner for tnt with a timer of 9.4 so it flies up and explodes instantly!
22:02 OldCoder Jordach, I was just showing a MC admin the worlds of MT
22:02 Jordach ooh
22:02 OldCoder I will see you later!
22:02 OldCoder Have a good evening
22:02 PilzAdam why are every spawner cracky=3?
22:03 jordan4ibanez because it's not finished, I have to add in more def for the api
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22:03 jordan4ibanez brb
22:04 PilzAdam also, you still have to define function for the ABM
22:04 PilzAdam not doing this is the main point of register_spawner()
22:12 jordan4ibanez You know, you make a good point, I think I should rename it spawner instead of entity spawner since you can do whatever you want with it
22:13 Exio and make a way to place them in/on dungeons
22:14 Exio :D and spawn vombies or w/e are they called in mobf
22:14 Jordach spawn dungeon masters from SM
22:15 jordan4ibanez Well you can do that, you'd just have to get objects in radius, and count each vombie, and if the vombie count in radius exceeds an amount then don't spawn
22:16 Exio that is what is done in the abm of SM
22:21 VanessaE PilzAdam: you wanted a large structure //save'd with current worldedit?   --->  http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/worldedit-schems/officebuilding.we
22:22 VanessaE (the marble office building near the spawn.  you'll need technic, moreblocks, streets, and bobblocks for it to look right)
22:23 PilzAdam http://ompldr.org/vaTVpcw/Unbenannt.png
22:24 VanessaE holy shit
22:24 VanessaE oh yeah, homedecor is used there too :D
22:24 PilzAdam I dont even wanna know were this list is ending....
22:24 VanessaE haha
22:24 PilzAdam it took less than a second to generate, though
22:24 PilzAdam so it isnt large at all
22:25 PilzAdam oh, metadata is saved and loaded correctly
22:25 PilzAdam "Locked door owned by VanessaEzekowitz"
22:26 VanessaE that's one of the larger structures on my server though.  35.8k volume with 6984 useful nodes
22:26 VanessaE oh good
22:26 VanessaE can't let just *anyone* access the radio tower, after all ;-)
22:26 Exio nice screenshot PilzAdam
22:27 PilzAdam tomorow Ill implement /save
22:27 PilzAdam and a node counter for all commands
22:28 VanessaE whoa, my server just lagged out for several seconds there loading the map.  First time it's done that in a while.
22:31 Exio Jordach: how can i obtain tha windows98 with the NT patch
22:31 Jordach Exio, no idea
22:32 Exio aww
22:33 Jordach FUCK
22:33 Jordach "The maximum amount of physical RAM in a PC that Windows NT 4.0 supports is 4 GB."
22:34 PilzAdam if someone has a large .we file arround (in the latest format) please send it to me somehow
22:34 PilzAdam bye
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22:40 jordan4ibanez http://pastie.org/pastes/7667606/text Item water fountain
22:40 jordan4ibanez I wonder if I can make some kind of item animation using item drops lol
22:41 mauvebic ah crap theyre pulling the next episode of hannibal because of the news
22:41 Jordach cha-ching http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=85145#p85145
22:46 Traxie21 Jordach, can you find a way to add that to MiniTest?
22:46 jordan4ibanez I see your textures and raise you an item water fountain http://i.imgur.com/K6PMOII.jpg
22:46 Jordach jordan4ibanez, nice
22:47 Traxie21 Looks interesting ibanez...
22:47 Traxie21 I appreciate all jojoa's work on MiniTest, and he's added a lot of things well, but some things seem a little incomplete/untested/half-assed
22:47 jordan4ibanez I call it the infinite water fountain lol, and well it's jojoa what do you expect?
22:48 jordan4ibanez no offense
22:48 Traxie21 lol
22:48 Traxie21 Sometimes his work is good
22:48 Jordach or half-assed like moontest
22:48 Traxie21 It's just, well, skeletons shouldn't float 3 feet off the ground
22:48 Traxie21 even with a 3d model
22:49 Jordach Traxie21, you do realise MC4MT7 is a texture pack right
22:49 Traxie21 Yes
22:49 Traxie21 But I'd like to incorportate it into MiniTest
22:49 Jordach how about no
22:50 Traxie21 Why not?
22:50 Jordach Minitest should have the minetest textures and use MC4MT7 as a stand in
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22:50 Jordach if you want the full on experiance
22:50 Jordach not everyone wants to see MC textures
22:50 Traxie21 :I
22:50 Traxie21 Minitest is designed to use MC4MT
22:51 Jordach I only do mod support now
22:51 Traxie21 For those who WANT to be more Minecraft like
22:51 Traxie21 well, can we use your textures?
22:51 Jordach sure
22:51 Traxie21 ok
22:51 Jordach anyways, i used to make minitest before you, jojo and PA came here
22:52 Jordach http://www.mediafire.com/?8necddpwvdy722p
22:52 Jordach ^ that is the link to MC4MT5, where it came with a premade gamemode
22:52 Jordach with full diamonds, gold, etc
22:52 Jordach (which is a modified moreores, but...)
22:52 Traxie21 nice
22:53 Jordach Traxie21, it only worked during 22nd of January, 2012
22:53 Traxie21 I really don't like depending on Jojo for updates, but I don't have time to do them myself, because PA won't let me modify anything that he dosnt want XD
22:54 Jordach yeah
22:54 Jordach the only reason why i picked up MC4MT is because of Sphax
22:54 Traxie21 lol
22:54 Jordach not to mention i have full 0.4.6 support bitch
22:55 Traxie21 Somehow, we need to be able to load images into the game in-game
22:55 Traxie21 so that we can have texture pack switching more easily
22:55 jojoa1997|Tablet Traxie
22:55 jojoa1997|Tablet i think it might be lag that is causeing the crafting table problems
22:55 Jordach uploading update
22:55 Traxie21 jojoa, the lag is non-existant
22:55 Traxie21 I tested
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22:57 jojoa1997|Tablet i will upload my current version it has 3 fixes but idk what is wrong with workbench
22:57 jojoa1997|Tablet let me just change my changelog
22:57 Jordach topic updated: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=10474#p10474
22:58 jojoa1997|Tablet jordach is that a game or texture pack
22:58 Jordach texture pack
22:59 Jordach so you can now use the default textures for minitest
22:59 jojoa1997|Tablet uh that might be a problem
22:59 Jordach and why?>
22:59 Jordach ->
22:59 jojoa1997|Tablet also traxies how did jordan do that water fountain
22:59 Jordach entity spawning
22:59 Jordach you dont need to ask every damn question
23:00 jojoa1997|Tablet well why did he say it was me
23:00 Jordach for some reason i just mastered the laws of physics
23:01 Jordach my tea mug i've been fiddling with is not perfectly balanced on both sides
23:01 jojoa1997|Tablet Oh and Traxie my stuff is tested but i can only think of soo many ways to test something
23:03 arsdragonfly 'morning everyone :D
23:08 Traxie21 jojoa1997|Tablet The skeletons should never float
23:09 jojoa1997|Tablet Traxie that was the scale image part
23:11 jojoa1997|Tablet also PilzAdam you have a crappy api for mobs
23:11 jojoa1997|Tablet it has no documantation
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23:18 mauvebic <jojoa1997|Tablet> also PilzAdam you have a crappy api for mobs  <--- always nice to hear something positive and constructive
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23:20 khonkhortisan To the people who make mobs: Please include a boolean to disable the mobs that destroy stuff or hurt people
23:21 jojoa1997|Tablet is it possible to have something damage you 0.5
23:22 [0gb_us] Or hook into the boolean Minetest has by default. I think it might be despawn_hostile_mobs
23:22 Pentium44 hi all
23:22 [0gb_us] Hey, Pentium44.
23:22 Pentium44 [ogb_us] pm?
23:23 jojoa1997|Tablet i would like to say something about minitest
23:24 jojoa1997|Tablet when i am making mods i have to change half the code to fit minitest(cause pilzadam wanted everything to be "minitest:blah" not default:blah")
23:24 jojoa1997|Tablet so when there are some bugs like this version
23:25 jojoa1997|Tablet please remember that for redstone i had to redo half of the code  that was in mesecons
23:26 ShadowNinja I don't know why PilzAdam wanted that, it sounds dumb and pointless to me
23:35 khonkhortisan The UI creative inventory has each button 0.7 apart, but makes them 0.81 wide. Somehow, there's spacing between them (more horizontally than vertically)
23:36 VanessaE http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=85149#p85149
23:36 VanessaE homedecor updated.  yay. :)
23:36 [0gb_us] Yay!
23:36 Exio khonkhortisan: wut
23:36 [0gb_us] What's new?
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23:36 VanessaE [0gb_us]: just what's written in that post :)
23:36 VanessaE corner fences for picket, white picket, and barbed wire
23:36 khonkhortisan Line 271 in api.lua
23:37 Exio https://github.com/PilzAdam/mobs/wiki/API
23:37 VanessaE + some misc tweaks.
23:37 Exio For each mob that spawns with this function is a field in mobs.spawning_mobs. It tells if the mob should spawn or not. Default is true. So other mods can only use the API of this mod by disabling the spawning of the default mobs in this mod.
23:37 Exio profit
23:37 Exio btw jojoa1997|Tablet
23:37 khonkhortisan https://github.com/RealBadAngel/technic/blob/master/unified_inventory/api.lua#L271
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23:37 Exio learn to read your native tongue, and check the f*** wiki of SM
23:37 VanessaE hey Traxie21.
23:38 khonkhortisan offset is 8.2 by 1, image-to-image distance is 0.7, image size is 0.81, yet they don't overlap.
23:38 [0gb_us] "Also added barbed wire corner fences/recipes." That's what I use to decorate my home. Barbed wire.
23:38 VanessaE [0gb_us]: well, I kinda intended those fences for farms :-)
23:38 VanessaE people do live on those too, after all :D
23:38 khonkhortisan combination barnhouse
23:39 Exio Traxie21: ping?
23:39 Traxie21 Pawng
23:39 khonkhortisan Error: Pong from wrong host
23:39 [0gb_us] It's funny to put it in "decor" though. A good addition, but funny when you think about the name of the plugin.
23:39 khonkhortisan No that barbed wire won't harm you, it's there for aesthetic purposes.
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23:41 Exio Traxie21: can you tweak the potion mod to use "nil" to the values what it doesn't change?
23:41 Exio so you can have multiple effects in potions for speed and so
23:41 Traxie21 hm?
23:41 Traxie21 sure
23:41 VanessaE [0gb_us]: yeah, it was a bit of a stretch, to be sure :)
23:41 Traxie21 Exio: You could do that yourself
23:42 Exio i will at home, as i'm not now and i wanted to tell you about that
23:42 Exio (minetest doesn't even run here, you can think the hardware of this)
23:42 jojoa1997|Tablet Traxie i got rid of skeletons
23:42 VanessaE now the fun one if gonna be the "privacy" fence..
23:42 VanessaE is*
23:42 Traxie21 Great, now I have to completely reinstall MiniTest
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23:43 jojoa1997|Tablet WAIT WHAT
23:43 jojoa1997|Tablet please tell me you were completely reinstaling before
23:43 jojoa1997|Tablet also on servers the inventory doesnt show up automatically i will try to fix that
23:44 Traxie21 I've been completely reinstalling every time
23:44 Traxie21 And it takes upwards to 30 Minutes, slow upload speed.
23:44 Traxie21 </prefersgithub>
23:46 jojoa1997|Tablet i think i found the problem code
23:48 Traxie21 Exio: It is impossible to use nil values for the player physics, sorry
23:49 Exio why not?
23:52 Traxie21 Error: Nil value
23:52 Traxie21 I have to set it to 1
23:52 Exio hmm
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23:55 Exio https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/c5a8448c41e4ea9d33a43cebef61425d4568a46d#L11R308 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/c5a8448c41e4ea9d33a43cebef61425d4568a46d#L0R1354
23:55 Exio it should work when using nil
23:56 Traxie21 huh
23:57 mauvebic Ohh, they found the other guy :-)
23:58 mauvebic lol hiding in a boat
23:58 Traxie21 how do you do multiline comments agian?

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