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00:05 OldCoder VanessaE, j
00:05 OldCoder VanessaE, k *
00:06 kaeza1 typo on a single letter word ...
00:06 kaeza1 :/
00:07 cy1 minetest should use a content hash for content. that way you don't download the same texture twice, even from different worlds?
00:07 kaeza1 cy1: it does
00:07 cy1 good
00:08 kaeza1 It would be better if the client checked locally if the same mods are installed in the client to avoid a lot of DL'ing twice
00:08 cy1 minetest is at 74% CPU so nothing getting killed here.
00:08 cy1 servers can have custom textures for mods though.
00:09 kaeza1 hash a tex locally and remotely. if they differ, DL. It's simple I guess
00:09 cy1 yeah, content hashes are great...
00:09 cy1 hash trees are better for large files
00:09 kaeza1 I quit
00:10 kaeza1 still at 0% media
00:10 cy1 sure, no problem
00:10 kaeza1 sorry
00:10 cy1 minetest likes to hang at 0% every startup for me... but not more than like 30s
00:10 kaeza1 you don't have ambience do you?
00:10 cy1 hooo no
00:10 cy1 might be Frontier screwing w/ it, sending RST packets or somethin
00:11 kaeza1 hmmm... mesecons+technic+flowers are a lot of textures
00:11 cy1 yeah...
00:11 cy1 but then it should go like 1% 2% etc
00:14 cy1 My upload isn't *that* bad :p
00:15 kaeza1 but my download is crappy at times
00:15 kaeza1 I have a 3G modem :(
00:15 VanessaE flowers is obsete.
00:15 VanessaE obsolete.
00:15 VanessaE get plantlife :-)
00:15 kaeza1 right
00:16 kaeza1 and it also lags as hell (sorry V)
00:16 VanessaE works fine for me
00:16 kaeza1 the old flowers I mean
00:16 VanessaE ah
00:16 VanessaE plantlife is better.
00:16 kaeza1 much better
00:16 kaeza1 :)
00:16 kaeza1 I'd still like the poison ivy to damage punchers though
00:17 KikaRz PilzAdam
00:17 KikaRz you there?
00:17 VanessaE eventually I will add that, kaeza1
00:17 OldCoder kaeza1, are you able to provide a download link?
00:17 OldCoder Oh!
00:17 OldCoder You did
00:17 kaeza1 OldCoder: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/100008207/minetest/mods/Kaeza-irc-0.1.2-Linux-i686.tar.gz
00:17 OldCoder Yes
00:18 OldCoder Installing
00:18 kaeza1 OldCoder: I think I will rewrite the IRC protocol stuff
00:18 OldCoder k
00:18 kaeza1 cy1: pointed that it's a bit messy
00:19 kaeza1 but that will be left for later
00:19 kaeza1 s/://
00:19 OldCoder Testing in a minute
00:20 kaeza1 VanessaE: as you said somewhere, it's just a nuisance ATM
00:20 OldCoder kaeza1, So basically, I just comment out the first two settings and specify a channel in the third?
00:20 VanessaE *nod*
00:20 OldCoder Plus a bot nick
00:21 kaeza1 yup
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00:22 kaeza1 OldCoder: you may also want to change mt_irc.connect_on_{load|join}
00:22 OldCoder k
00:23 OldCoder libluasocket.so: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS32
00:23 OldCoder kaeza1, ^
00:23 OldCoder Wait
00:23 kaeza1 you're using AMD64?
00:23 OldCoder let me build this from source
00:23 kaeza1 k
00:23 OldCoder We did that before
00:23 OldCoder Hang on
00:24 OldCoder cmake . ?
00:24 kaeza1 OldCoder: etc/zipmod.sh
00:24 OldCoder make worked
00:24 OldCoder make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found.  Stop.
00:24 OldCoder zipmake did that
00:24 kaeza1 hmmm
00:25 OldCoder zipmod *
00:25 kaeza1 It does a native build and then a Linux->MinGW32 build
00:25 kaeza1 it may have borked on the 2nd
00:25 OldCoder cmake .
00:25 OldCoder make
00:25 OldCoder worked
00:25 kaeza1 just ignore that
00:25 OldCoder is that enough?
00:25 kaeza1 yup
00:26 OldCoder Package how?
00:26 kaeza1 make pack_mod
00:26 OldCoder worked
00:26 OldCoder Where is output?
00:26 kaeza1 it should create an `irc' dir
00:26 OldCoder Got it ty
00:27 kaeza1 np
00:27 kaeza1 ty for testing it :)
00:27 OldCoder proceeding
00:27 kizeren downloaded.....
00:28 kizeren just drop in mods folder and change config.lua?
00:28 OldCoder Yes
00:28 kaeza1 kizeren: yup
00:28 OldCoder -- mt_irc.server = nil;
00:28 OldCoder Comment out?
00:28 kaeza1 or leave at nil
00:28 kaeza1 as long as Lua think it's "false" it uses the default
00:29 OldCoder What is this about single connection?
00:29 kaeza1 in Lua "nil" and "false" evaluate to false
00:29 OldCoder What is this about single connection?
00:29 kaeza1 what?
00:29 kaeza1 oh
00:29 OldCoder How is that turned off or on
00:29 kaeza1 That is not currently implemented
00:29 OldCoder k
00:29 kaeza1 I should fix it
00:30 kaeza1 it's always single connection for now
00:30 kaeza1 so you always talk through the "bot"
00:30 OldCoder k
00:31 kizeren looking at this.  it seems I don't have to chagne anything really.
00:31 OldCoder kaeza1, started but bot did not join channel
00:31 kizeren looks like you have defaults.
00:31 kaeza1 OldCoder: have you tried "/irc_connect"
00:31 kaeza1 ?
00:31 OldCoder Where?
00:31 OldCoder In the game?
00:31 kaeza1 yes
00:32 OldCoder I changed the config.lua
00:32 OldCoder to be default connect on mod load
00:32 kaeza1 hmmm
00:32 OldCoder Should that work?
00:32 OldCoder Plus
00:32 OldCoder needs to be that way
00:32 OldCoder because the worlds often restart
00:32 kaeza1 seems I have not tested this thoroughly
00:32 OldCoder and I have about 20 of them
00:32 OldCoder Trying manual
00:33 kizeren OldCoder, not to through you off topioc.  Your server on 30000, is there anyway to get the texture pack and ambience you are using?
00:33 OldCoder Of course
00:33 kaeza1 OldCoder: wait until it finishes getting the MOTD
00:33 OldCoder All the pieces
00:33 kizeren Don't worry about it now.
00:34 kaeza1 That's why I want a rewrite
00:34 OldCoder kaeza1, It says already connected to IRC
00:34 OldCoder But there is no bot in the channel
00:34 kizeren I will catch up another time and grab the textures from ya.
00:34 kaeza1 see if your bot is on the channel
00:34 kaeza1 oh
00:34 kaeza1 hmmm
00:35 OldCoder Thousands of SEND QUIT messages
00:35 OldCoder Thousands more
00:35 OldCoder Hard loop
00:35 OldCoder Ouch :-)
00:35 kizeren 13:12:03: ERROR[main]: ERROR: An unhandled exception occurred: ServerError: LuaError: error: ...etest-ab06fca/bin/../games/minetest/mods/irc/irc.lua:964: attempt to index upvalue 'irc_sock' (a nil$
00:35 kaeza1 ow
00:35 kaeza1 hmmm
00:35 OldCoder Is my copy sending you debug info?
00:35 kaeza1 I better rewrite this IRC thing better soon
00:36 kaeza1 OldCoder: is mt_irc.debug enabled?
00:36 kaeza1 you should see the IRC comm on your term
00:36 OldCoder As I said
00:36 OldCoder thousands of error messages
00:37 kaeza1 hmm
00:37 OldCoder SEND: QUIT :Closing.
00:37 OldCoder RECV: :brooks.freenode.net 372 mtveritas :-
00:37 OldCoder SEND: QUIT :Closing.
00:37 OldCoder RECV: :brooks.freenode.net 372 mtveritas :- You're using freenode, a servi
00:37 OldCoder ce of Peer-Directed Projects
00:37 OldCoder SEND: QUIT :Closing.
00:37 OldCoder RECV: :brooks.freenode.net 372 mtveritas :- Center Ltd (http://freenode.ne
00:37 OldCoder t/pdpc.shtml).
00:37 OldCoder SEND: QUIT :Closing.
00:37 OldCoder RECV: :brooks.freenode.net 372 mtveritas :-
00:37 KikaRz stop pasting!
00:37 KikaRz stop pasting!
00:37 KikaRz use pastebin
00:37 OldCoder [[1;30mSEND: QUIT :Closing.[[0m
00:37 OldCoder About 2,000 of those
00:37 OldCoder KikaRz, valid point
00:38 OldCoder Limit of about 7 lines is probably O.K.
00:38 jordan4ibanez http://completelyseriouscomics.com/?p=270
00:38 moltenbot jordan4ibanez's link: Completely Serious Comics - Animal Power
00:39 kaeza1 jordan4ibanez: lol
00:39 kizeren kaeza1 should the chanel and ports be in quotes or not quotes?
00:40 jordan4ibanez http://completelyseriouscomics.com/?p=282
00:40 moltenbot jordan4ibanez's link: Completely Serious Comics - Ghost Butt Comics
00:40 kaeza1 kizeren: where?
00:41 kaeza1 in config.lua of course
00:41 OldCoder VanessaE, has vanessa_game changed? or world? or both?
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00:41 VanessaE both
00:41 kizeren config.lua
00:42 kizeren kaeza1 think I am forgetting something.
00:42 kizeren http://pastebin.com/LBYawUcQ
00:42 moltenbot kizeren's link: [HomeDecor] Loaded!  Pipeworks loaded!  [Plantlife] Loaded (enabled...er...nothi - Pastebin.com
00:43 VanessaE ignore it. that's a bug and your copy is outdated ;-)
00:43 kaeza1 kizeren: build from sources please
00:44 kizeren I was looking in the link you posted but no source.
00:44 kizeren or my brain is dieing.....
00:45 kaeza1 kizeren: https://github.com/kaeza/minetest-irc
00:45 moltenbot kaeza1's link: kaeza/minetest-irc ? GitHub
00:46 kaeza1 It seems OldCoder is having the same problem as before
00:47 kizeren Same kaeza1
00:47 kizeren same error I should say
00:48 kaeza1 OC seems to get Quit messages as soon as he connects
00:49 kizeren <OldCoder> [[1;30mSEND: QUIT :Closing.[[0m
00:49 kizeren I am seeing this too then I get that error about a socket.
00:49 kaeza1 hmmm
00:50 VanessaE is there a way to forcibly slow down a cart?
00:50 VanessaE aside from going up a hill I mean
00:51 kaeza1 kizeren: it seems my check for OK connection is not enough. The mod fails to connect one way or the other and it reports success anyways
00:53 kizeren why is yours working but not ours though?
00:54 kaeza1 hmm
00:54 kaeza1 It may be the sockets implementation on your system
00:54 kaeza1 LuaIRC checks for it's connection
00:55 kaeza1 let me check this
00:55 kizeren ArchLinux
00:55 kizeren If it helps.
00:56 kaeza1 http://pastebin.com/HeQrXqmF
00:56 moltenbot kaeza1's link: [Lua] function send(command, ...)      if not serverinfo.connected and not serverinfo. - Pastebin.com
00:56 kaeza1 apparently, it borks on line 14 of that paste
00:56 kaeza1 but according to line 2, it's OK
00:57 NekoGloop joined #minetest
00:57 kaeza1 I may have to reqrite that stuff myself
00:57 kaeza1 rewrite*
00:58 kaeza1 hello NekoGloop :3
00:58 NekoGloop Meow
00:58 kaeza1 good game 'So you wanted to play god'
00:59 kaeza1 a bit short though
00:59 kizeren Tried running as root to see if it was an account issue but still same error.
01:00 NekoGloop kaeza1: I made it because i was bored.
01:00 kaeza1 NekoGloop: then you should get bored more often :P
01:01 kaeza1 kizeren: I'm looking into it
01:05 kizeren Oooo think it worked!
01:06 kaeza1 kizeren: yes?
01:06 kizeren Give me a moment.
01:07 kizeren #minetest-irc-testing
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01:12 kaeza1 RealBadAngel you there?
01:13 VanessaE he's gone to bed
01:13 VanessaE back in several hours, work comes after he wakes up.
01:14 * NekoGloop punts a kitten at VanessaE for the heck of it
01:15 * VanessaE catches the kitten and snuggles with it
01:15 VanessaE evening Neko.
01:15 NekoGloop Why does every fucking minecraft server have to have that damn faction plugin.
01:16 NekoGloop I just wanna play some damn multiplayer survival.
01:16 VanessaE I don't have factions on my server, and that's to the chagrin of someone who already asked for it
01:16 NekoGloop >minecraft
01:16 VanessaE yes I know.
01:16 VanessaE and the same thing has already long since come to minetest.
01:16 NekoGloop Well it makes it so you have to claim land
01:17 NekoGloop Guess what? All the land within about ~500 blocks from spawn is claimed. On every goddamn server.
01:17 VanessaE heh
01:18 NekoGloop And there's a safe zone near spawn.
01:18 NekoGloop There's also people in full diamond with diamond swords just WAITING for you to step outside.
01:19 OldCoder NekoGloop, Hi!
01:20 VanessaE fuck all of that.
01:20 VanessaE I'd rather play peacefully.
01:20 VanessaE if I want OpenArena, I'll fucking play OpenArena.
01:20 NekoGloop ikr.
01:20 NekoGloop so apparently you cant play smp minecraft. At all.
01:21 cy1 NekoGloop: sounds like protect blocks to me :/
01:21 kaeza1 NekoGloop: just ditch MC and use MT :)
01:21 NekoGloop cy1: Nope. More like node_protection but you dont need an op to claim something.
01:23 cy1 NekoGloop: so like protect blocks, without the ugly blocks in place
01:23 NekoGloop cy1: And no need to craft anything either.
01:26 mauvebic split maps in north and south, north lands can be claimed, south cant?
01:26 NekoGloop If only
01:30 kaeza1 maybe calculate some "level" based on the items the player has equipped. If the difference between players is > some value, you disable the damage. That way 13375 cannot harm n0085
01:31 kaeza1 just throwing ideas
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01:48 cy1 NekoGloop: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtJzABifWBw
01:48 cy1 That'll either make you feel better, or enraged.
01:49 kaeza1 hello KrayonWork
01:50 KrayonWork kaeza1: Hi.
01:52 kaeza1 somebody please tell me thisis either a mannequin or an inflatable doll: http://cheezburger.com/6875214336
01:52 moltenbot kaeza1's link: Barbie's Body Looks Terrifying - Cheezburger
01:52 kaeza1 I'm shocked at the stupid things people do to their body
01:55 cy1 kaeza1: only solution is to expose people to as many realistic naked women as possible and hope it sticks
01:55 VanessaE good grief.
01:57 * cy1 reinstates co-ed locker rooms mua ha ha
01:58 kaeza1 cy1: agreed
01:58 kaeza1 for *ahem* educative purposes that is
02:00 cy1 oh it'd be lots of fun for the first week, but then when people start getting *used* to it.......
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02:16 OldCoder kaeza1, If you have suggestions this week let me know
02:16 kaeza1 about?
02:16 kaeza1 OldCoder: I seem to have fixed the autoconnect bug
02:17 OldCoder kaeza1, but the basic problem?
02:17 OldCoder Do you mean that?
02:17 OldCoder Or another issue?
02:18 kaeza1 well, it seems kizeren had the same problem as you
02:18 OldCoder And?
02:18 kaeza1 the Quit:Excess flood thing
02:18 kaeza1 but it works for him now
02:19 kaeza1 kizeren you there?
02:19 kizeren yes
02:19 kaeza1 you don't have the Quit:excess flood anymore do you?
02:19 OldCoder Are all the send:quits related?
02:20 OldCoder There are 1000s of them
02:20 kaeza1 OldCoder: they may be
02:20 OldCoder Pushed yet?
02:20 kaeza1 yep
02:20 OldCoder Fine
02:20 OldCoder will test in a few minutes ty
02:20 kaeza1 no ty
02:20 OldCoder ?
02:20 kizeren Now with autoconnect on I am still getting the excessive flooding.  But going to pull the git again and see what happens.
02:21 * OldCoder will wait
02:21 kaeza1 maybe it has something to do with connecting and joining so fast?
02:22 OldCoder 02:22:32: ERROR[main]: /opt/minetest044/share/minetest/games/vanessa_game/mods/minetest-hatches/hatches/init.lua:
02:22 OldCoder 02:22:32: ERROR[main]: .../vanessa_game/mods/minetest-hatches/hatches/init.lua:83: attempt to index global 'mesecon' (a nil value)
02:22 OldCoder VanessaE, ^
02:22 kaeza1 I mean, you establish the connection and join the channel at about the same time
02:24 kaeza1 hmmm... no that's not it
02:25 kizeren Still doing it.
02:25 kizeren even with autojoin off and autoconnect on
02:28 VanessaE OldCoder: strange, that file is exactly the game I run on my server.
02:28 OldCoder I believe you
02:28 VanessaE you sure you launched the world against my game?
02:28 OldCoder Double checking
02:28 OldCoder Pretty sure but I will verify
02:30 OldCoder Looks like it
02:30 OldCoder Will need to debug this week
02:33 VanessaE hrm
02:35 OldCoder Triple checking now
02:36 kizeren kaeza1  is is possible the irc bot is trying to close the connection because it knows no one is connecting?  So it keeps sending the SEND: QUIT Closing:
02:36 VanessaE OldCoder: maybe you need to entirely wipe out the vanessa_game folder and re-extract?
02:36 VanessaE Might be a redundant file or two
02:36 OldCoder vanessa I just did that. mods/minetest-hatches/hatches/init.lua fails due to mesecons.
02:37 VanessaE lemme re-zip then.
02:37 kaeza1 kizeren: I'm reading an article about flood prevention
02:37 VanessaE maybe I screwed it up
02:37 OldCoder k
02:37 kaeza1 but lemme check anyways what you say
02:38 VanessaE uploading...
02:42 kizeren kaeza1 think I just fixed it.
02:42 kizeren yes I did.
02:42 kaeza1 kizeren: how?
02:42 kizeren Let me do about another minute of testing before I commit to the previous statment :P
02:42 kaeza1 k
02:44 VanessaE OldCoder: <voice="Majel Barrett">Upload complete.  You may download when ready.</voice>
02:44 OldCoder k
02:44 VanessaE :-)
02:44 OldCoder sure
02:44 VanessaE I double-checked that it's zip'ing the right files and putting them at the right URL
02:44 OldCoder k
02:44 OldCoder D/Lg
02:44 VanessaE http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/vanessa_game.zip
02:44 VanessaE http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/My_World_server.zip
02:44 OldCoder Yep
02:45 NekoGloop <voice="GLaDOS"> Hello? Are you still there? </voice>
02:45 kizeren kaeza1 fixed the flooding.  but now bot won't connect to channel but i can pm back and forth..
02:46 kizeren Line 76 of init.lua
02:46 kaeza1 <voice="Gordon Freeman">...</voice>
02:46 kaeza1 :P
02:47 kizeren I comment out 76-78
02:47 kaeza1 kizeren: checking
02:47 kizeren But since it doesn't detect player joining.....
02:47 kizeren And I am not familiar enough with lua to properly fix it.
02:47 OldCoder VanessaE, I even renamed the folder to foo_game to avoid ambiguity
02:47 OldCoder 02:47:26: ERROR[main]: ...ames/foo_game/mods/minetest-hatches/hatches/init.lua:83: attempt to index global 'mesecon' (a nil value)
02:47 kaeza1 make a pull request
02:47 VanessaE I don't understand why it's breaking for you
02:48 OldCoder is mesecon correct?
02:48 kaeza1 kizeren: make a pull request
02:48 VanessaE no
02:48 VanessaE it should be minetest-mod-mesecons
02:48 OldCoder Then check the file
02:48 OldCoder How is it working for you?
02:48 kizeren kaeza1 sorry......not familiar with git either :)
02:48 NekoGloop Freeman's voice is so awesome that it comes through even silence.
02:48 VanessaE I'm running that game on my server right now, have been for hours
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02:49 OldCoder I will debug further
02:49 OldCoder davidpace, Hello
02:49 davidpace Hello OldCoder
02:49 kaeza1 hello davidpace
02:49 VanessaE you sure you're not overwriting anything in the vanessa_game folder after extracting?
02:49 davidpace Hello kaesa1
02:49 OldCoder VanessaE, 100%
02:49 OldCoder 200%
02:49 OldCoder maybe 500%
02:49 davidpace *kaeza1
02:49 VanessaE wtf then o.O
02:49 * VanessaE is confused.
02:49 OldCoder It is fine
02:49 kaeza1 kizeren: I am too
02:49 OldCoder I will examine this week
02:50 kizeren how to "make a pull request" ?
02:51 kaeza joined #minetest
02:51 kaeza back
02:51 kaeza modem died :(
02:51 VanessaE oh THAT's a surprise...
02:51 VanessaE not.
02:51 VanessaE :-)
02:52 kaeza :P
02:52 kaeza also: http://xkcd.com/487/
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02:53 VanessaE OldCoder: pastebin ls vanessa_game/mods
02:53 VanessaE I wanna see what's coming out of the zip
02:53 kizeren kaeza i think you have to add me to the project for me to do a pull request on github ??
02:53 kaeza kizeren: I don't think so
02:53 kaeza sfan5 did one
02:53 VanessaE kizeren: fork the project, make your changes, upload your changes to your fork, then use the github website to place your pull request
02:54 VanessaE it's easy once you've done it once or twice
02:54 kaeza there I go :)
02:54 kizeren Thank you VanessaE
02:54 OldCoder VanessaE, all right
02:55 OldCoder http://minetest.org/temp.txt
02:55 OldCoder VanessaE, ^
02:56 VanessaE OldCoder: that's what I have here.
02:56 * NekoGloop punts a kitten at kaeza
02:57 OldCoder VanessaE, all right
02:57 OldCoder Assume mods match
02:57 OldCoder what produces that error?
02:57 kizeren hope i did that properly.  kaeza sent pull
02:57 VanessaE OldCoder: what proceedure are you doing when you update your copy?
02:57 OldCoder wget
02:57 OldCoder unzip
02:57 OldCoder mv
02:57 OldCoder Done
02:58 OldCoder Plus a chown
02:58 VanessaE but you nuke the contents of the original folder first right?
02:58 OldCoder Yes
02:58 OldCoder One more time
02:58 * OldCoder proceeds
02:58 kaeza kizeren: checking
02:58 VanessaE and you start my world against that game?
02:58 OldCoder That is why I rename to foo_game
02:58 OldCoder There is no foo_game
02:59 OldCoder So this proves correct start
02:59 VanessaE strange and confusing
02:59 OldCoder Wait
02:59 OldCoder wget http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/vanessa_game.zip
02:59 OldCoder wget in progress
02:59 kizeren So a pull/fork is how GIT keeps track of what is going on in a project?  Sorry I am so use to the old CVS ways....
03:00 VanessaE kizeren: more or less yeah
03:00 VanessaE there's more to it but that's a simple way of looking at it.
03:00 * NekoGloop kicks a kitten
03:00 kizeren Just didn't want to go screwing up someones elses project like you could on CVS...
03:00 VanessaE naw, you can't do that
03:01 OldCoder VanessaE, unzip -q vanessa_game.zip
03:01 VanessaE the project owner has to give you push access to their master copy in order for that to be a risk
03:01 OldCoder VanessaE, chown -R games.users vanessa_game
03:01 kizeren VanessaE: I visited your server few days ago.  Looks like rollercoaster heaven.
03:01 kaeza kizeren: checked and merged
03:01 VanessaE kizeren: if Pilzadam's carts worked better it would be :-)
03:01 OldCoder VanessaE, rm -fr /opt/minetest044/share/minetest/games/foo_game
03:02 OldCoder VanessaE, mv vanessa_game /opt/minetest044/share/minetest/games/foo_game
03:02 kizeren on on cli....CVS you could do an "update" does git have something similar or is it easier to just clone again?
03:02 VanessaE kizeren: git pull
03:03 OldCoder VanessaE, $SERVEREXE --port 30017 --gameid foo_game --config $CONFXDIR/$NAME.conf --world $WORLDDIR/$NAME
03:03 OldCoder Done
03:03 kaeza OldCoder: test the IRC whenever you can
03:03 OldCoder kaeza, k
03:03 kaeza there's no hurry
03:03 * VanessaE sings...
03:03 VanessaE Ho ho fucking ho, what a crock of shit
03:03 VanessaE We all work for Santa Claus, we've had enough, we quit
03:03 VanessaE Cause we do all the fucking work while he stars in the show
03:04 kizeren Thanks again.
03:04 VanessaE Stick ya christmas up your arse, ho ho fucking ho
03:04 VanessaE I'm Santa Claus' wife, I know what he's really like
03:04 VanessaE Sneaking into them little kids rooms he's a fucking pedophile.
03:04 VanessaE A devious old drunk and I'm married to the cunt.
03:04 VanessaE So stick ya christmas your arse, ho ho fucking ho.
03:04 VanessaE lol
03:04 VanessaE ok I'll stop now :-)
03:04 kaeza lol
03:05 VanessaE OldCoder: what are the values in those variables at the time you execute that command?
03:05 OldCoder om
03:05 VanessaE maybe your worldpath is wrong?
03:05 davidpace VaessaE, that was very entertaining
03:05 OldCoder Nope
03:05 OldCoder om
03:05 VanessaE I'm utterly confused
03:05 VanessaE davidpace: the whole thing:  http://www.sing365.com/music/lyric.nsf/Ho-Ho-Fucking-Ho-lyrics-Monty-Python/860B206F0990F512482570D6001208A1
03:05 VanessaE and it ain't monty python but who it really is, i dunno
03:06 davidpace Haha
03:06 OldCoder /opt/minetest044/bin/minetestserver --port 30017 --gameid foo_game --config /opt/minetest044/share/minetest/vanessa.conf --world /opt/minetest044/share/minetest/worlds/vanessa
03:06 kaeza Monty Python? so oldschool
03:06 OldCoder VanessaE, ^
03:07 VanessaE OldCoder: and your default game folder is set so that foo_game can be found?
03:07 VanessaE I'm grasping at straws here
03:07 OldCoder That is the same folder I use for all the worlds
03:07 OldCoder I will try to debug it this week
03:07 VanessaE ok
03:07 OldCoder Your own world worked here
03:07 OldCoder Remember?
03:07 VanessaE yes I remember
03:07 OldCoder It is fine
03:07 OldCoder What does the error message mean?
03:08 OldCoder kaeza, what is the git link again?
03:08 kaeza OldCoder: https://github.com/kaeza/minetest-irc
03:09 VanessaE OldCoder: it means that hatches depends on mesecons...wait a sec..
03:09 VanessaE something is messed up here, it should be failing here too, but it doesn't????
03:10 VanessaE if minetest.get_modpath("mesecons") then
03:10 VanessaE mesecon:register_on_signal_on(on_hatch_punched)
03:10 VanessaE mesecon:register_on_signal_off(on_hatch_punched)
03:10 VanessaE end
03:10 VanessaE those are the affected lines....
03:11 OldCoder So... found it?
03:11 VanessaE not yet
03:11 OldCoder kaeza, ty
03:11 VanessaE ls minetest-mod-mesecons
03:11 OldCoder ?
03:11 VanessaE what's in that folder?
03:11 VanessaE I wonder if the zip is not getting everything
03:12 OldCoder Hold on
03:12 OldCoder http://minetest.org/temp.txt
03:12 OldCoder ^ VanessaE
03:12 VanessaE looks right...
03:12 VanessaE could there be some globally-installed mods interfereing?
03:12 VanessaE -e
03:13 kaeza <offtopic>OSTRICH? http://xkcd.com/492/ </offtopic>
03:19 NekoGloop Those my hatches?
03:23 VanessaE NekoGloop: I don't think so
03:24 NekoGloop VanessaE: 3d when down?
03:24 VanessaE I think this copy came from cornernode's archive, which might be the old ironzorg one
03:24 VanessaE yup, wrong hatches.
03:24 VanessaE got a URL to your working ones?
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03:28 NekoGloop Should be on the forum
03:31 VanessaE ok let's see how that works
03:31 VanessaE (found and installed yours)
03:32 VanessaE much better,
03:33 NekoGloop <cue legend of zelda "you found it" chime>
03:33 VanessaE OldCoder: new update coming, with a different version of hatches.  Why it works for me, I don't know, but now it's got NekoGloop's version.
03:33 VanessaE OldCoder: upload in progress.
03:34 NakedFury may I ask what you mean by hatches?
03:35 VanessaE NakedFury: trapdoors
03:35 VanessaE OldCoder: <voice="Majel Barrett">Upload complete.  Download when ready.</voice>
03:35 OldCoder VanessaE, k
03:38 kaeza any good desktop capture app for linux?
03:38 kaeza I mean video capture
03:39 kaeza NekoGloop: then it comes "HEY! LISTEN!"
03:39 jordan4ibanez pilzadam should make his carts have a sound attached to them when they move
03:39 NekoGloop Pfft
03:39 VanessaE kaeza: gtk-recordmydesktop
03:39 VanessaE jordan4ibanez: +1
03:39 kaeza VanessaE: thx
03:39 VanessaE just the sound of wheels on rails or so would be plenty
03:39 OldCoder VanessaE, that fixed it
03:40 kaeza I believe PilzAdam's carts had sound...
03:40 OldCoder I will start the world formally in a few minutes
03:40 VanessaE OldCoder: I still don't get why it was working for me, but whatevr :-)
03:40 OldCoder VanessaE, there is something weird about the old mod
03:41 kaeza WOW! gtk-recordmydesktop is only 176 K?
03:42 kaeza Windows app developers should learn about this
03:42 kaeza to not bloat their apps
03:43 NekoGloop Again, only mac users call software "apps"
03:43 kaeza NekoGloop: sorry
03:44 kaeza is "applications" better?
03:44 jordan4ibanez I want to make
03:44 jordan4ibanez I want to make the carts mod into a train mod, but idk if i should do it on top of all of these things
03:44 kaeza make: *** No rule to make target `jordan4ibanez'.  Stop.
03:45 jordan4ibanez don't talk nerdy to me
03:45 preludelinux_lap hello everyone
03:45 kaeza hello preludelinux_lap
03:45 jordan4ibanez http://youtu.be/0JslOWGHJCQ
03:45 NakedFury jordan maybe focus on a 1 mod first and complete it
03:46 jordan4ibanez hello prelude
03:46 jordan4ibanez are you in your prelude right now? lol
03:46 NakedFury and if you do a train, do you plan to make it big? as in bigger than 1 block
03:46 kaeza +1 for a train
03:47 kaeza I need it for my subway
03:47 kaeza meh
03:48 preludelinux_lap not anymore .... its been awhile since i have had that car
03:49 preludelinux_lap but theres also an intrusion detection software called prelude
03:54 VanessaE Ok, I could use some help from someone..
03:55 VanessaE didn't I read somewhere of a util that would generate an up-to-date colors.txt for minetestmapper based on a person's textures and mods?
03:56 mauvebic builtin/misc_register.lua
03:57 VanessaE ?
03:58 mauvebic use the function register_node to generate a list of nodes and assign colors
03:59 mauvebic im pretty sure thats how it worked though i havent seen the tool in awhile now :/
04:00 OldCoder kaeza, It is much better in the logs. But (1) does not auto-join. (2) When /join is done it says you are in the channel but no bot appears
04:00 kaeza OldCoder: hmm
04:00 OldCoder No error messages
04:00 OldCoder Does not auto-join
04:00 OldCoder /join says O.K. in channel
04:01 kaeza wait
04:01 kaeza lemme check
04:01 VanessaE mauvebic: I must be tired because I can't make heads or tails of this...
04:01 OldCoder VanessaE, your world is all happy again :-)
04:01 OldCoder I wonder what changed before
04:02 VanessaE OldCoder: who knows heh
04:06 kaeza OldCoder: seems to work OK on my side
04:06 kaeza hmmm
04:06 kaeza wait
04:06 kaeza I'll fetch a fresh copy to a clean dir
04:08 * NekoGloop punts a kitten in the general direction of VanessaE
04:08 kizeren it joins IRC but won't join a channel. Still working on that
04:08 OldCoder VanessaE, I think you should catch the kitten
04:08 OldCoder Else there will be kittens everywhere
04:09 * sokomine sees the kitten and grabs it
04:09 * NekoGloop puts a kitten on every exposed surface of #minetest
04:09 * sokomine puts nekogloop into a jail for spamming with kittens
04:10 * NekoGloop puts a can of spam on sokomine's head
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04:10 OldCoder sokospam
04:10 kaeza1 yay kittehs
04:11 kaeza1 ...
04:11 * sokomine is entirely innocent :-)
04:11 * NekoGloop sits on sokomine's head
04:11 * sokomine cries for help as that happens only with bugs!
04:11 * NekoGloop comfy =w=
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04:12 OldCoder mauvebic, hi
04:12 mauvebic howdy :-)
04:12 * NekoGloop puts a kitten on mauvebic's head
04:12 mauvebic scalp massage
04:13 VanessaE haha
04:13 mauvebic i could use it lol i had so much stuff to fix downtown today
04:13 * NekoGloop sits on mauvebic's head
04:13 kaeza1 OldCoder: ty for your great help; kizeren: thanks for helping me out
04:13 kaeza1 I'm going to sleep now
04:14 OldCoder kaeza1, so will continue this week I assume
04:14 OldCoder Good luck
04:14 kizeren Night kaeza1 if I get it working I will make pull request
04:14 kaeza1 OldCoder: of course
04:14 mauvebic Nekogloop http://youtu.be/FKeQpeDkoGc
04:14 kaeza1 kizeren: ty
04:14 kaeza1 good night ladies and gentlemen
04:15 mauvebic nity nite
04:15 OldCoder C U
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04:15 NekoGloop M
04:15 * NekoGloop runs
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04:19 NekoGloop wow.
04:19 NekoGloop Either that joke died or you are all too busy laughing.
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04:23 Dopium hi all
04:23 Dopium vanessa serve down again?
04:23 VanessaE yeah but I'm waiting for it to connect so I can get the profiler output from it
04:23 VanessaE (go figure, it goes down while I'm not connected)
04:24 VanessaE it's "up" but locked at 100% CPU.
04:25 Dopium oh ok no problem thanks for letting me know
04:25 NekoGloop A program cant take 100% cpu
04:25 NekoGloop The os has to be running
04:25 VanessaE NekoGloop: 6 cores.
04:26 NekoGloop Therefore, your arguement is invalid.
04:26 VanessaE a program can use 100% of one core.
04:26 NekoGloop I have 2 cores :l
04:26 * VanessaE waits for the connection to complete (it's at least gotten to "waiting content")
04:26 NekoGloop And an intel gfx chip
04:26 NekoGloop And a cardboard case.
04:28 NakedFury profiler?
04:29 Dopium Its a debug program
04:29 NakedFury what does it profile or debug?
04:29 VanessaE mod activity
04:29 VanessaE time usage
04:29 VanessaE if this connection will ever complete so I can see what is tying up the server...
04:30 Dopium lol
04:30 VanessaE there it is.
04:30 VanessaE BAM.  got it.
04:30 Dopium nice :D
04:31 VanessaE http://pastebin.com/riNMmLK6
04:31 VanessaE there it is
04:32 NekoGloop Um
04:32 NekoGloop If you think that is any kind of conclusion.
04:32 NekoGloop You are sadly mistaken.
04:32 NekoGloop Unless you have some idea what the fuck that output means.
04:32 VanessaE worst offender:  Technic battery box.
04:32 VanessaE ------------------- L:<function: 0x2b9d1b0>@@/home/vanessa/.minetest/games/vanes
04:32 VanessaE sa_game/mods/technic/technic/battery_box.lua:166 -------------------
04:32 VanessaE Sample count:         11604
04:32 VanessaE Time spend total:       1449.430s
04:33 NekoGloop battery box contains the code for electricity distribution
04:34 NekoGloop ^ the reason you need one in a circuit
04:34 VanessaE of course.
04:34 VanessaE RBA says he's rewriting the whole thing though, so..
04:34 Dopium yeah i noticed that also mesecons is quite high
04:34 NekoGloop Good god
04:34 NekoGloop Let's hope his logic is more logical
04:35 mauvebic to expect one to order poison at a bar, is not logical
04:35 NekoGloop mauvebic: yet one will order water
04:36 mauvebic you werent around in the 80s, were ya? :p
04:36 NekoGloop That i was not.
04:36 mauvebic oh no wait,
04:36 mauvebic search for spock was prolly late 70s
04:36 VanessaE mauvebic: 80's.
04:36 NekoGloop And star trek doesnt interest me anyhow
04:37 OldCoder NekoGloop, are you a Star Wars fan?
04:37 NekoGloop Nope.
04:37 davidpace Bya all
04:37 OldCoder o/
04:38 mauvebic speaking of star wars lol
04:38 mauvebic http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=4117
04:39 OldCoder Has anyone tested Jordach's xmas mod?
04:39 mauvebic ooo they finally got rid of the bots
04:39 OldCoder Brand new
04:40 mauvebic doesnt seem to be on forunms :/
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04:46 mauvebic quiet at this hour
04:47 OldCoder mauvebic, what isn't on forums?
04:48 mauvebic i dont understand
04:48 mauvebic forums are quiet too
04:51 jordan4ibanez It's because of science
04:51 OldCoder mauvebic, what isn't on forums?
04:52 OldCoder Anybody wish to test Jordach's xmas mod?
04:52 mauvebic ooh jordachs xmas mod you told us to checkout
04:55 OldCoder mauvebic, yes
05:06 mauvebic i liked the ambience mod when i visited the server
05:06 OldCoder ty
05:07 mauvebic i might make an alternate version of it though
05:08 OldCoder k
05:13 VanessaE ok, time for me to get to bed.  Night all.
05:14 Dopium night
05:14 OldCoder c u
05:14 mauvebic nite
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05:16 RagnarLaud Hi
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05:49 jordan4ibanez Would someone like to try this?
05:49 OldCoder No
06:09 kizeren OldCoder: Bot is now auto logging in properly to IRC.
06:09 OldCoder kizeren, ?
06:10 OldCoder He went to sleep
06:10 OldCoder How did it get changed?
06:10 kizeren Yea have to wait for him to get the pull request
06:10 OldCoder Is there a new version?
06:10 OldCoder You patched it?
06:10 OldCoder May I have the code?
06:10 kizeren one second let me kill my minetest clinet .....killing me here.
06:11 * VanessaE wanders back in, Cleepless in Waynesville.
06:11 VanessaE Sleepless too.
06:11 kizeren https://github.com/kizeren/minetest-irc/commit/64897c1ba0cf119fe19d2e1173b062c6ce4acc00
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06:15 RagnarLaud Hi
06:16 mauvebic party time
06:16 kizeren OldCoder: Make sure autojoin and autoconnect are both true.
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06:17 Aqua Hello
06:20 kizeren hi
06:20 Aqua Hello
06:22 kizeren OldCoder: Any luck with it?
06:24 OldCoder I did not see the link until now
06:24 OldCoder I will try it in about 10 minutes ty
06:32 Dopium aawww Vanessa server crashed again
06:33 VanessaE no, I restarted it to fix a bug
06:33 VanessaE but forgot to fix another bug that wouldn't let it restart :D
06:36 mauvebic done serverlite-ambience (1.2mb)
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06:38 VanessaE ok, it's back now.
06:40 OldCoder Testig now
06:40 OldCoder *ng
06:50 VanessaE OldCoder: you there?
06:51 mauvebic reminds me of "Mr Grainger, are you free?"
06:51 VanessaE heh
06:51 OldCoder VanessaE, Yes
06:51 OldCoder I am
06:51 mauvebic though i dont know what time it is for him lol
06:52 OldCoder For me?
06:52 VanessaE OldCoder: World/game updated.
06:52 OldCoder Will update
06:52 OldCoder after IRC test
06:52 VanessaE I might have fixed the problem.
06:52 OldCoder I was preoccupied with my blog
06:52 OldCoder So much this weekend; not updated since Friday
06:53 OldCoder kizeren, that looks simple; you added one line
06:53 OldCoder Trying it
06:53 kizeren yea.
06:53 VanessaE no prob
06:53 VanessaE at your convenience.
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06:54 VanessaE OldCoder: it would appear that you *can* embed modpacks within modpacks, but the resultant behavior is...unpredictable,.
06:54 OldCoder I C
06:54 VanessaE it turns out I had half of my standard mod collection copied a second time over, into one of the mods within that collection
06:54 mauvebic sounds messy lol
06:54 OldCoder Eh
06:54 OldCoder Yes
06:54 VanessaE well all of it I thin.
06:54 VanessaE so I got two copies of most stuff.
06:55 VanessaE that might be why the hatches was bugging out for you
06:55 mauvebic me its the doors lol
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06:58 OldCoder kizeren, thanks but still no bot
06:58 OldCoder I did set both join flags to true
06:59 OldCoder When I do join
06:59 OldCoder It says already in the channel
06:59 kizeren try a "/part" then "/join"
06:59 kizeren Was working for me.  This bot hates me.
07:00 OldCoder kizeren, works
07:00 kizeren you left channel default?
07:00 OldCoder No
07:00 OldCoder Set it to a channel
07:00 OldCoder Works with /part /join
07:00 kizeren it defaults to #minetest-irc-testing
07:00 OldCoder Nothing happens by default
07:00 OldCoder I know
07:00 OldCoder I set it to a channel
07:01 OldCoder It works if I /part /join
07:01 OldCoder Nothing happens by default
07:01 kizeren yea Not sure....I had it working....went to create a "disconnect" command and it broke on me :P
07:01 OldCoder So not fixed
07:01 OldCoder ty
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07:01 kizeren Sort of is.
07:01 RagnarLaud Hi
07:01 kizeren Bot would never join a channel unless this was there.
07:02 OldCoder No... I need it auto or I can't use it
07:02 OldCoder You did fix a bug
07:02 RagnarLaud Hi mah'man
07:02 kizeren Just have to find the missing clue as to why no true auto.
07:02 OldCoder Sure
07:02 RagnarLaud Hi OldCoder
07:02 OldCoder VanessaE, I will need to wait to download
07:02 OldCoder RagnarLaud, Hello
07:02 VanessaE take your time, OldCoder
07:02 OldCoder VanessaE, starting to fade
07:02 RagnarLaud Hi VanessaE
07:02 VanessaE btw if anyone wants to see the map of my server,
07:02 VanessaE http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/images/my_world_map.png
07:03 RagnarLaud Hey Vanessa please answer to this...why isnt my mod going to mod releases
07:03 VanessaE did you read the post I left in that thread?
07:03 RagnarLaud Yes but what did i do wrong?
07:03 RagnarLaud Nothing
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07:04 RagnarLaud PilzAdam encourages to kill animals and shit
07:04 mauvebic hunting is legal
07:04 mauvebic drugs arent in most countries
07:04 RagnarLaud With his mod, but that gets there =(
07:04 akerok Hello everyone!
07:04 mauvebic especially w/ a game w/ an audience < 18yrs
07:04 VanessaE it's the decision of the MT staff that an illegal-drug-related mod not be moved to the official releases forum
07:04 OldCoder akerok, Hi
07:04 VanessaE it might be seen as promoting drug use.
07:04 akerok How are you?
07:04 VanessaE good evening akerok
07:04 OldCoder akerok, Me?
07:04 RagnarLaud Well... What about toxic drinks?
07:05 clicker4721 Can somebody answer a few quick question for me about basic mod installation? via PM
07:05 akerok Yes
07:05 OldCoder akerok, Read my blog in a day
07:05 RagnarLaud If i made drinks that kill/ make dizzy etc
07:05 OldCoder RagnarLaud, may I ask you a question privately?
07:05 VanessaE RagnarLaud: toxic drinks aren't, technically, illegal.
07:05 akerok OldCoder, What is the link to your blog?
07:05 OldCoder akerok, PM
07:05 VanessaE RagnarLaud: bleach is toxic and can be drank.  yet it's legal.
07:06 clicker4721 I've been getting an ModError message for a lua script that I'm pretty sure doesn't need to exist.
07:06 VanessaE clicker4721: pastebin the complete error message so we can look
07:06 VanessaE don't paste it here though
07:06 VanessaE use pastebin.com or similar.
07:07 clicker4721 How 'bout Imgur? Screencap is easier.
07:07 VanessaE screenshots work as long as you're takeing an image of the black terminal window and not the minetest game window
07:07 VanessaE the game window's error report is always useless :-)
07:08 mauvebic PC LOAD LETTER
07:08 VanessaE heh pretty much just like that :-)
07:08 VanessaE "Check Engine o[=]"
07:08 clicker4721 Okay, hold on. I'll do it in the terminal.
07:08 mauvebic i rigged all the printers at UPS to say low mayonnaise after seeing the meme lol
07:09 VanessaE lol
07:12 clicker4721 Okay, quick snap I got: http://goo.gl/nOYPB (Don't worry, it's Imgur)
07:12 VanessaE ok that's easy
07:12 VanessaE Minetoon is a texture pack
07:12 clicker4721 It's a really basic dumb issue, I know. Just tell me I'm dumb and send me away happy. :-)
07:12 VanessaE you don't put it in with your mods :-)
07:12 VanessaE I see you run ubuntu.  good. :-)
07:13 clicker4721 Well see, I didn't think I'd need to either, but I noticed that it's hierarchy fits a mod.
07:13 VanessaE mkdir Minetest-textures
07:13 VanessaE mv Minetoon Minetest-textures
07:13 VanessaE nano ~/.minetest/minetest.conf
07:13 VanessaE texture_path = ~/Minetest-textures/Minetoon
07:13 VanessaE or whatever the exact foldername is.
07:13 VanessaE restart the game and you should be good.
07:13 clicker4721 Will that take care of the hierarchy?
07:14 VanessaE sorta - texture packs aren't meant to be installed, really.  They're meant to just be placed somewhere and you point your minetest.conf at it instead.
07:14 clicker4721 Torches don't work right, so I assumed using it as a mod would fix it.
07:14 clicker4721 Okay, I'll just try it. Two minutes.
07:14 VanessaE so as long as the folder has PNGs in it, or subfolders with PNGs it should be god.
07:14 VanessaE good*
07:15 VanessaE if that doesn't work, point minetest.conf one level below the Minetoon folder, to the first level that has the actual images.
07:15 VanessaE why he included an init.lua I have no idea.
07:16 clicker4721 Oh, wait: I only want to apply it to one world. Do you know off-hand which folder that goes in?
07:17 clicker4721 Yeah, see; this doesn't make any sense. http://wiki.minetest.com/wiki/Installing_Texture_Packs
07:19 kizeren OldCoder: only thing I can think of at 1:15am is to turn off autojoin that way when someone tries to talk they are forced to type "/join" which then will auto conenct to IRC.
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07:21 mauvebic 3 more hotdogs and bedtime lol, nity nite
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07:24 clicker4721 @VanessaE Okay, I dumped it all just like before, the same two problems persist: cracks and torches don't work with the new pack. I previously assumed that's what the lua scripts were for.
07:25 clicker4721 But I don't know anything anymore.
07:25 VanessaE clicker4721: ah
07:25 VanessaE well cracks and torches are differnet from what minetoon supports.
07:25 VanessaE that's the problem
07:25 clicker4721 How is that?
07:25 VanessaE it simply doesn't have the animated torches or long crack animations at all.
07:26 VanessaE those were added a couple months ago by now, but Gambit hasn't updated Minetoon to accommodate that change
07:26 VanessaE they need new files.
07:26 clicker4721 Oh, it does. I can see them in the folder. crack.png and 3 different torches
07:26 clicker4721 Wait, so can I just change the filenames?
07:26 VanessaE you could try but I don't expect that they'll work right
07:26 VanessaE maybe copy one to the other, e.g. cp default_torch.png default_torch_animated.png or so
07:28 clicker4721 Yeah, that didn't work. Well, fart. Would you happen to know of any texture packs that aren't dated? I hate the default.
07:29 VanessaE I like my HDX pack, but that's just me :-)
07:29 VanessaE it supports everything under the sun
07:29 clicker4721 HDX? I'll look it up.
07:30 VanessaE http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=1583
07:30 wei2912 VanessaE, hi again
07:30 VanessaE hi wei2912
07:30 wei2912 do you know of any common mods that are known to cause lag?
07:30 VanessaE MOBF
07:30 VanessaE some say mesecons can
07:30 VanessaE technic can
07:31 VanessaE conifers
07:31 VanessaE jungle trees
07:31 VanessaE snow biomes
07:31 VanessaE any of the seasons mods
07:31 wei2912 ah thanks :D
07:31 wei2912 i have conifers
07:31 VanessaE any of the other biomes mods.
07:32 clicker4721 Okay, awesome. Thanks for your help!
07:33 VanessaE no prob :-)
07:33 wei2912 VanessaE, thanks for your help :)
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07:34 OldCoder Hi
07:34 OldCoder kizeren, ttyl
07:46 OldCoder
07:46 OldCoder VanessaE, awake?
07:46 kizeren Strange.
07:46 VanessaE yes
07:46 OldCoder VanessaE, PM
07:46 VanessaE sure
07:46 kizeren if I log in instantly the autoconnect works
07:47 kizeren if I don't it doesn't
07:47 kizeren blahhh too late to think.
07:47 kizeren Night all.
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08:06 markveidemanis[m hi
08:07 davidpace Hi
08:09 markveidemanis[m !up minetest.org:30000
08:09 Minetest-tan markveidemanis[m: minetest.org:30000 is up (0.296ms)
08:09 markveidemanis[m hello?
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08:35 VanessaE morning davidpace
08:35 davidpace morning
08:39 wei2912 there's a bot? :D
08:40 VanessaE yeah
08:40 VanessaE well there was
08:40 VanessaE Minetest-tan is one
08:41 VanessaE moltenbot (not present) was the other
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08:41 Dopium Link Vanessa?
08:41 VanessaE http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/screenshots/Screenshot%20-%2012172012%20-%2003:15:04%20AM.png
08:42 VanessaE inspired by one RBA did :-)
08:42 Zephyrus1497 cool
08:42 Dopium Nice work looks really good
08:43 VanessaE that's the image I was working on earlier.  took forever to get it just right
08:43 VanessaE I wish it could be higher resolution but the game scales it weirdly.
08:44 VanessaE (I think it just scales it to 4x and then crops to the window's size)
08:44 Dopium Still looks good tho
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08:45 Zephyrus1497 gtg
08:46 Zephyrus1497 bye
08:48 VanessaE he didn't stay long...
08:48 wei2912 lol
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08:50 VanessaE ah and there's the wayward bot.
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08:51 VanessaE zzz
08:52 VanessaE ah to sleep..  if I only could :-/
08:52 VanessaE I could go upstairs and lie down but as soon as my head hits the pillow I'll be wide awake again.
08:53 Dopium Sounds like your over tired lol
08:54 VanessaE I get that way a lot :-/
08:54 VanessaE and it sucks
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08:55 RagnarLaud Hey VanessaE
08:55 * VanessaE chills moltenbot both down a bit to solidify it.
08:55 VanessaE hi
08:55 RagnarLaud Hey can you teach me how to make a irc bot later?
08:56 RagnarLaud A simple one
08:56 VanessaE I don't know how.
08:56 VanessaE it's been so long since I ran a bot (15 years or so), I don't remember anything about it now.
08:59 iqualfragile RagnarLaud: no, teach yourself
08:59 iqualfragile otherwise you wont be able to archive anything
08:59 wei2912 RagnarLaud, look at PircBot if you know java
09:00 VanessaE iqualfragile: well if he has a big enough hard disk, archiving should be easy with or without a bot :D
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09:04 VanessaE I think one's enough Ragnar.
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09:16 VanessaE ok, I'm out.  Night all.
09:26 cy1 ugh, movestones are still broken...
09:28 cy1 OldCoder: your uh map will work again once you remove the minetest_movestones mod. I thought it was working, sorry.
09:28 cy1 wait, no I stopped it!
09:28 cy1 ok never using movestones again, check
09:28 cy1 I want my moving ships already :'(
09:33 OldCoder Hi
09:33 OldCoder cy1, ?
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10:20 cy1 OldCoder: sorry, I thought I broke it, but it ended up resetting so I could fix it. I think movestones can crash the server. Also ur textures are fskd
10:21 OldCoder Hi
10:21 OldCoder cy1, can you be more specific?
10:21 OldCoder About any of that?
10:23 cy1 OldCoder: you seemed to have changed your textures for trees, wood, coal, iron etc, and once they uploaded they all had that one texture glitch
10:23 cy1 where half the texture disappears
10:23 cy1 or turns to rgb static
10:23 OldCoder What texture glitch?
10:23 cy1 or uh
10:23 cy1 basically it looks like there are glitchy stripes in any texture so affected, even when stacked.
10:24 OldCoder What do you mean by "so affected" ?
10:24 cy1 only a problem for certain textures. Used to be just some stuff in moreblocks(?). Somehow your trees and wood and coal got replaced with glitchy textures.
10:25 cy1 They might be a weird size?
10:25 OldCoder
10:25 OldCoder Here is the answer
10:25 OldCoder
10:25 * OldCoder writes
10:25 cy1 'k
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10:27 OldCoder thexyz told me that there is only supposed to be ONE image file of a given name. But I found *205* errors where image filenames conflicted! I added code to select images so that the rule is obeyed. This allows us to fix the Ambience Speed Problem. It's complicated. There was no way to know what images to select. If you would like to help sort things out see me this week. We can tweak it.
10:27 OldCoder cy1, ^
10:28 cy1 sure np
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10:29 cy1 so when you make two textures for the same thing, it glitches like that?
10:29 RagnarLaud Possible
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10:32 KikaRz !up vanessae.mine.bz
10:32 Minetest-tan KikaRz: vanessae.mine.bz is up (0.236ms)
10:32 moltenbot Minetest server vanessae.mine.bz:30000 UP
10:33 RagnarLaud This isnt spam this is surviving
10:37 KikaRz !define grise
10:37 moltenbot no definition found, try to use 'thinking'
10:37 KikaRz !define souris
10:37 moltenbot http://ddg.dg: souris definition: river 450 '''miles''' (724 '''kilometers''') Canada &amp; United States flowing from SE Saskatchewan SE into N North Dakota &amp; N into the Assiniboine in SW Manitoba.
10:46 Calinou http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=4120 :>
10:46 moltenbot Calinou's link: [16x] Old Minetest pack (Page 1) - Texture Packs - Minetest Forums
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10:56 RagnarLaud !g knife to meet ya
10:56 Minetest-tan RagnarLaud: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPe4w7-TgsE
10:56 KikaRz !g Minecraft style
10:56 Minetest-tan KikaRz: Nope!
10:57 KikaRz !define stupid
10:57 moltenbot http://ddg.dg: stupid definition: slow of mind.
10:57 KikaRz Minetest-tan
10:57 RagnarLaud Hey KikaRz good song mineraft style
10:57 RagnarLaud By captainsparkles
10:58 RagnarLaud !g knife to meet ya
10:58 Minetest-tan RagnarLaud: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPe4w7-TgsE
11:03 wei2912 !help
11:03 moltenbot Try !up <hostname.org> !teach <topic> !ping <hostname.org> [<port>] !date [timezone] !define <word> !joke
11:04 wei2912 who owns moltenbot? :D
11:04 wei2912 !teach minetest
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11:06 RagnarLaud !g knife to meet ya
11:06 Minetest-tan RagnarLaud: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPe4w7-TgsE
11:11 KikaRz !teach minetest
11:17 wei2912 !define test
11:17 moltenbot http://ddg.dg: test definition: '''chiefly British''' cupel.
11:17 wei2912 !up kernel.org
11:17 moltenbot Minetest server kernel.org:30000 DOWN
11:17 Minetest-tan wei2912: kernel.org seems to be down
11:17 wei2912 oh, it's for minetest servers...
11:32 KikaRz ...
11:32 KikaRz !ping kernel.org
11:32 moltenbot 64 bytes from 149.20.4.69: icmp_req=1 ttl=48 time=166 ms
11:32 KikaRz you can ping it
11:34 wei2912 i could :P
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11:49 KikaRz WHo from here got the "Revenge"'s singer skin ?
11:49 KikaRz LAD i think
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12:12 devlab Hi, what does this error mean: "14:07:55: ERROR[main]: TextureSource::buildMainAtlas(): Atlas is full, not adding more textures."
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12:18 john_minetest hello
12:18 wei2912 devlab, means that you reached the limit for number of textures?
12:20 devlab can it be lifted?
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12:23 wei2912 devlab, not sure.
12:23 devlab what file is responsible for this?
12:23 wei2912 try searching for the method "buildMainAtlas" and "Atlas is full, not adding more textures." in the source code
12:25 john_minetest it is a setting.
12:27 john_minetest oh, no, you can only decide if you want to use texture Atlas or not.
12:28 devlab can I lift that limit and what is the responsible file for texture Atlas?
12:30 john_minetest what's exactly the problem? do you get the message that texture atlas is full?
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12:30 devlab yes, when loading the world
12:30 john_minetest try adding this to minetest.conf : enable_texture_atlas = false
12:32 john_minetest if you have got problems you can also look here: http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=3829
12:32 moltenbot john_minetest's link: [Frequently Asked Questions] - Read before asking for help! (Page 1) - Bugs and Problems - Minetest Forums
12:34 john_minetest devlab: does it work?
12:34 devlab that error is gone
12:36 devlab now i get a dummy image error about 'technic_obsidian.png'
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12:38 john_minetest yes. that's also in the faq.
12:38 john_minetest Dummy image created
12:38 john_minetest This is caused by a mod or texture pack not supplying an image for an object.
12:38 john_minetest Minetest will still work normally, but the specified object will use a dummy image: it will all be a random color
12:39 john_minetest maybe try downloading the technic mod again
12:39 john_minetest it seems the obsidian texture is missing
12:40 Muadtralk look in the texture folder to make sure its not missnamed first
12:40 john_minetest gtg, bbl. bye
12:42 devlab Muadtralk: nope, its not there,
12:43 devlab RealBadAngel: the technic mod doesn't have a technic_obsidian.png file, where is it?
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13:02 KikaRz Look what is so cute...
13:02 KikaRz http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNfdKebcrOI
13:02 moltenbot KikaRz's link: #PuppyCam @PetCollectiveTV #Subs4Pets - YouTube
13:02 KikaRz :)
13:02 KikaRz Livestream,
13:04 KikaRz http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqZetiaZLg0 , http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8MI81iIOuI and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gi-XBXik2mg ,  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_UtIgXNuJU
13:04 moltenbot KikaRz's link: #HuskyCam @PetCollectiveTV #Subs4Pets - YouTube
13:04 KikaRz so cuteeee
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13:13 RagnarLaud hi
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13:46 devlab I'm getting a ServerEnvironment::DeactivateFarObjects() error
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13:49 KikaRz love these pets
13:49 KikaRz http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30Dldlfmr3U
13:49 moltenbot KikaRz's link: Carly Rae Jepsen - Call Me Maybe - Corgi Rae - Pet Parody - YouTube
13:51 KikaRz they're too fantastic!
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13:59 KikaRz !c 14-8
13:59 Minetest-tan 6
13:59 KikaRz !c 14+2-8
13:59 Minetest-tan 8
13:59 RagnarLaud hey kikarz
13:59 KikaRz What?
13:59 RagnarLaud stop abusing poor little Minetest-tan
13:59 RagnarLaud :D
13:59 RagnarLaud hey KikaRz
14:00 RagnarLaud look at those
14:00 RagnarLaud http://ompldr.org/vZ3E5dA/Infinity69.png
14:00 RagnarLaud http://ompldr.org/vZ3E5Mw/HVGaming.png
14:01 KikaRz !c 114640 * 0.25
14:01 Minetest-tan 28 660
14:01 KikaRz COOL! 28600 euros already gotten!
14:01 KikaRz no
14:01 KikaRz dolares
14:02 RagnarLaud hey KikarZ
14:02 RagnarLaud KikaRz'
14:02 KikaRz ..
14:02 KikaRz no spam
14:03 RagnarLaud what do you think about those pictures?
14:03 RagnarLaud it isnt spam...
14:03 RagnarLaud nice eh?
14:03 KikaRz 3 times saying hey KikaRz
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14:05 RagnarLaud well what do you think?
14:05 RagnarLaud tell me please!
14:06 Darkbee I'm hoping somebody can help.  When I drop items using "Q" how do I pick them up? (I thought I had to "mine" them using left mouse buttton).  I've dropped a pickaxe and a locked chest but I can't seem to pick them up again.
14:06 RagnarLaud KikaRz tell me your three favourite logos or things
14:07 RagnarLaud lag
14:07 RagnarLaud Darkbee lag
14:07 KikaRz ...
14:07 RagnarLaud like hearts, ponies etc.
14:07 RagnarLaud or do you want me to pick them for you?
14:08 Darkbee This is in a single player game
14:08 wei2912 Darkbee: left click
14:08 RagnarLaud he did you dumbass
14:08 RagnarLaud but it doesnt work
14:08 Darkbee @wei2912, doesn't work.  :(
14:08 RagnarLaud Darkbee even single player can lag
14:09 wei2912 RagnarLaud: nice insult, when you claimed that lag solves his problem?
14:09 Darkbee So lag explains why I can't pick them up?  But shouldn't I pick them up eventually?  I've seen the furnace lag but after a second or so, items are removed from the furnace
14:09 RagnarLaud i just said, that he has lag
14:09 RagnarLaud Darkbee remove some mods...
14:09 RagnarLaud then idk...
14:09 Darkbee do some mods come installed with the default game?
14:09 wei2912 RagnarLaud: I just said, left click another time
14:09 RagnarLaud yes
14:10 Darkbee Ok.  I'll take a look at that. Thanks.
14:11 Darkbee since I'm here I'll just say thanks and credit to the developers... nice job with Minetest.
14:15 RagnarLaud hey KikaRz
14:15 RagnarLaud can you help me?
14:16 KikaRz shut up
14:17 RagnarLaud yeah i heard you the second time...sheesh...
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14:20 cowdog1 hello
14:22 brobostigon question, i just updated my server end, and free_move wont allow me to fly through stuff anymore, is there something i have set wrong?
14:22 KikaRz noclip
14:22 KikaRz get noclip priv
14:23 brobostigon ok, let me look at that.
14:23 KikaRz brobostigon, now its needed noclip priv to fly through things
14:23 brobostigon KikaRz: i thought i have given myself all privs, ohwell. let me check that.
14:24 brobostigon KikaRz: i have noclip.
14:24 KikaRz ah!
14:24 KikaRz press H
14:25 KikaRz i think
14:25 KikaRz i think its the shortcut (the H)
14:25 brobostigon thats new, ok, let me make a note.
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14:25 RealBadAngel H like noclip, perfect :)
14:26 RealBadAngel but i guess its was hjk in a row
14:26 RealBadAngel that actually makes sense
14:27 KikaRz hope you understood
14:27 KikaRz :)
14:27 RagnarLaud hey RBA
14:27 RagnarLaud can you help me?
14:28 brobostigon KikaRz: thank you, yes.
14:30 OldCoder RealBadAngel, Hi
14:30 RealBadAngel hi Oldcoder, how is your day?
14:30 OldCoder Muadtralk, PM
14:30 OldCoder RealBadAngel, Night :-) I am getting to sleep now
14:31 RealBadAngel time zones :)
14:31 OldCoder Yep
14:31 RealBadAngel i just  got back from work
14:31 RealBadAngel brb
14:33 OldCoder You are not too tired, then
14:33 wei2912 OldCoder: is BackupCoder a clone of you?
14:33 OldCoder wei2912, He is my Android device
14:33 OldCoder For use on the bus
14:33 wei2912 OldCoder: ohh.
14:33 wei2912 lol
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14:45 RagnarLaud hey oldcoder!
14:45 * devlab installed a 25 unit solar array in his world
14:46 RagnarLaud OldCoder
14:46 RagnarLaud Revenge - "A dish best served cold" ; "Sweet"
14:46 RagnarLaud what is it
14:46 RagnarLaud what is Revenge
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14:47 RagnarLaud hey LAD
14:47 RagnarLaud Revenge - "A dish best served cold" ; "Sweet"
14:47 RagnarLaud what does that mean
14:47 LAD hi
14:50 OldCoder Hi
14:50 OldCoder RagnarLaud, What can I do for you? PM
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14:57 aldobr hi all
14:57 aldobr how to detect if a certain item name is a tool ?
14:58 aldobr (and consequently, can only be stored as a single item in a itemstack)
14:58 kizeren http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=57687#p57687
14:58 moltenbot kizeren's link: Testing Server & Survival. (Page 1) - Servers - Minetest Forums
14:59 kizeren Server is up with IRC mod installed.  Feel free to try it out.
15:02 RagnarLaud bye
15:05 * OldCoder is resting
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15:21 KikaRz gtg
15:21 KikaRz going to shop
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15:23 john_minetest Hello
15:25 harrison I AM THE HARRISON
15:26 john_minetest obvious.
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15:32 john_minetest !joke
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15:37 PilzAdam Hello everyone!
15:37 EqualsRagnar Hi
15:37 john_minetest hello
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15:38 EqualsRagnar yolo = yo + hello
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15:39 EqualsRagnar Yolo
15:39 EqualsRagnar Calinou yolo!
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15:46 RagnarIsMyName !g let me talk to 'em
15:46 Minetest-tan RagnarIsMyName: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPnt8_sKSMU
15:46 VanessaE good morning all.
15:46 RagnarIsMyName Ditto
15:47 KikaRz Hi!
15:47 KikaRz Im back
15:47 RagnarIsMyName Btw VanessaE im Ragnar... Dont belive me? Ask something only he knows
15:47 RagnarIsMyName Hi KikaRz
15:47 KikaRz Shut up.
15:47 VanessaE hi.
15:47 VanessaE hey KikaRz.  Server's working normally now, I think the problem is fixed.
15:47 RagnarIsMyName Whats wrong mommy?
15:48 KikaRz yay VanessaE!
15:48 RagnarIsMyName Ok one down. One to im
15:48 RagnarIsMyName One to go
15:48 KikaRz VanessaE
15:48 KikaRz can enter?
15:48 VanessaE sure of course
15:49 VanessaE it's up and running normally.
15:49 RagnarIsMyName Hey VanessaE
15:49 VanessaE hi
15:49 RagnarIsMyName Can i get no clip and fly,
15:49 VanessaE everyone has those privs by default.
15:49 RagnarIsMyName Can i get server?
15:49 Minetest-tan GIT: xyzz (Ilya Zhuravlev) commited to celeron55/minetest: Fix hypen used as minus sign (manpages), fix spelling error (server.cpp) e301bc2d77 2012-12-17T07:46:54-08:00
15:50 VanessaE !up vanessa*
15:50 Minetest-tan VanessaE: Invalid Address
15:50 moltenbot Minetest server vanessa*:30000 DOWN
15:50 VanessaE oh you suck.
15:50 VanessaE vanessae.mine.bz:30000
15:50 VanessaE !up vanessae.mine.bz:30000
15:50 Minetest-tan VanessaE: vanessae.mine.bz:30000 is up (0.240ms)
15:50 john_minetest RagnarIsMyName: Your hostname is ragnar's. So it's obvious.
15:50 moltenbot Minetest server vanessae.mine.bz:30000:30000 DOWN
15:50 KikaRz fail
15:50 RagnarIsMyName Hey VanessaE can i get server priv?
15:50 KikaRz !up vanessae.mine.bz
15:50 Minetest-tan KikaRz: vanessae.mine.bz is up (0.234ms)
15:50 moltenbot Minetest server vanessae.mine.bz:30000 UP
15:50 VanessaE RagnarIsMyName: absolutely not.
15:50 KikaRz I'm smarter than yours!
15:51 Calinou EqualsRagnar> Calinou yolo!
15:51 Calinou *sets autoban on "yolo"*
15:51 Calinou some craftbukkit plugin does that :3
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15:53 brobostigon anyone around who has tried a compile on freebsd, a friend of mine wants to play, but has freebsd.
15:53 john_minetest RagnarIsMyName: yølø means "you only live once" and not "yo, hello"
15:53 Calinou heh, bsd
15:54 Calinou no idea :P
15:54 brobostigon Calinou: me neither, i just going to try standard method, and then try and work it out.
15:54 Calinou <Minetest-tan> GIT: xyzz (Ilya Zhuravlev) commited to celeron55/minetest: Fix hypen used as minus sign (manpages), fix spelling error (server.cpp) e301bc2d77 2012-12-17T07:46:54-08:00
15:54 Calinou ^ I thought these were the same?
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15:54 thexyz Calinou: ?
15:54 Calinou if I type /teleport 0,-1,0 with a minus, it does the same thing if I put an hypen instead of minus
15:55 thexyz >(manpages)
15:55 Minetest-tan GIT: xyzz (Ilya Zhuravlev) commited to celeron55/minetest: Fix hypen used as minus sign (manpages), fix spelling error (server.cpp) e301bc2d77 2012-12-17T07:46:54-08:00
15:55 Minetest-tan GIT: PilzAdam (PilzAdam) commited to celeron55/minetest_game: Fix modname prefix in stairs and slab functions 8c977451a8 2012-12-16T10:52:13-08:00
15:55 thexyz !up minetest.ru
15:55 moltenbot Minetest server minetest.ru:30000 UP
15:55 thexyz neat
15:56 KikaRz Calinou
15:56 KikaRz Thats to fix that bugs when placing things up the slabs and etc????????
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15:59 kaeza hi!
15:59 VanessaE hey kaeza
15:59 kaeza what's up?
15:59 VanessaE KikaRz: sorry about that, testing a new command on the server.
15:59 VanessaE there we go, that fixed it.
15:59 Calinou KikaRz: no
15:59 john_minetest hi kaeza.
15:59 Calinou just for modding
16:00 kaeza hi john
16:00 KikaRz :'
16:00 Calinou VanessaE: is it /setpassword without arguments? :D
16:00 KikaRz VanessaE, what command?
16:00 VanessaE haha
16:00 VanessaE no implementing a /spawn command
16:00 Calinou we need that in the default game, with "enable_spawn_command" setting (true by default)
16:00 Calinou we have like 5 implementations of /spawn commands
16:00 VanessaE agreed
16:01 VanessaE Calinou: I use this, which I got from redcrab:
16:01 VanessaE http://pastebin.com/jAXqXdy2
16:01 moltenbot VanessaE's link: [Lua] minetest.register_on_chat_message(function(name, message, playername, player)    - Pastebin.com
16:01 VanessaE (modified slightly to remove a couple of unrelated variables)
16:01 Calinou we could do the same thing for home too (with "home" privilege)..
16:01 VanessaE sethome mod
16:01 VanessaE needs 'home' priv.
16:02 PilzAdam VanessaE, why dont you use register_chat_message()?
16:02 VanessaE PilzAdam: because I'm just using the code redcrab gave me, and if it works, it works :-)
16:02 PilzAdam this would enable help for it
16:05 KikaRz http://clickjogos.uol.com.br/jogos/maximum-frustration-2/
16:05 moltenbot KikaRz's link: Maximum Frustration 2 no Click Jogos
16:05 KikaRz this game is totally frustating
16:07 kaeza KikaRz: Play Nethack :)
16:07 kaeza THAT is frustrating
16:07 KikaRz virus? :P
16:07 kaeza nope
16:07 Calinou hack the net to play
16:07 jin_xi nethack is cool
16:07 kaeza a classic text-mode game
16:08 Calinou what? a text-mode game is using vim...
16:08 * jin_xi the male neutral human tourist
16:08 kaeza jin_xi: yes! cool! I lost all my stuff to a fucking knoll/goblin/whatever that was
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16:08 jin_xi knoll is from crawl
16:08 KikaRz 2,0 mb in Firefox = 5 minutes??? O_O'
16:08 VanessaE PilzAdam: have you seen the latest version of the mese changes?
16:09 VanessaE PilzAdam: with crystals et.al
16:09 PilzAdam where?
16:09 VanessaE https://github.com/celeron55/minetest_game/pull/65
16:09 moltenbot VanessaE's link: Changed Mese to act like an object cut out of a block of stone, rather than an object found *among* the stone. by VanessaE ? Pull Request #65 ? celeron55/minetest_game ? GitHub
16:09 Calinou KikaRz: everything is so long in firefox!
16:09 VanessaE celeron55 seems to like this ^^^
16:09 kaeza KikaRz: use Chrome
16:09 KikaRz kaeza, too lag form e
16:09 kaeza VanessaE: that's a really good idea
16:10 VanessaE PilzAdam: this modification is in place on my server already, if you want to experiment.  UFOs and mese picks use the new recipes.
16:10 Calinou chromium*
16:10 Calinou FTFY
16:10 VanessaE Calinou: +1
16:10 kaeza I always thought why did you get the mese block
16:10 kaeza instead of a "lump of mese" or something similar
16:11 kaeza KikaRz: or use wget
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16:12 Jordach hello everyone
16:12 PilzAdam hi Jordach
16:12 kaeza hey Jordach
16:12 Jordach hey PilzAdam
16:12 Jordach kaeza *
16:12 Jordach and OldCoder
16:13 Jordach im really tired
16:13 Jordach (did a assault course 3 stories up in the air, held on by a metal clip)
16:13 PilzAdam Jordach, youtube -> search "follow the red dot" -> you will be awake
16:16 KikaRz jordach, get this pretty song.
16:16 KikaRz http://jadakre.tk
16:16 moltenbot KikaRz's link: jadakre.tk
16:16 KikaRz it's so lovely...
16:16 KikaRz i lvoe it.
16:16 KikaRz *love
16:18 KikaRz or shafou.com
16:18 KikaRz :)
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16:18 john_minetest KikaRz: fortunately I had my earphones plugged in but not on my ears.
16:18 Calinou seems legit
16:19 Calinou john_minetest: lol
16:19 KikaRz Yaay
16:19 KikaRz people with cardiacal problems
16:19 KikaRz dont watch it
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16:19 RagnarLaud Hi yall
16:19 Zeg9 Hi
16:20 theTroy1 joined #minetest
16:21 RagnarLaud Hey who knows how to make a irc bot
16:21 Calinou google(R)
16:21 * VanessaE pokes PilzAdam
16:21 * PilzAdam pokes back
16:22 RagnarLaud joined #minetest
16:22 RagnarLaud Hey who knows how to make a irc bot
16:22 Jordach hello VanessaE
16:22 thexyz RagnarLaud: google is your friend
16:23 RagnarLaud You too thexyz
16:23 RagnarLaud Right?
16:23 thexyz dunno
16:23 devlab RagnarLaud: for where?
16:23 * Jordach notices the lag to freenode is 0.1s, which is above jordach's average of 0.0s
16:23 VanessaE hey Jordach
16:23 RagnarLaud <='0
16:23 VanessaE PilzAdam: you never answered my question :-)
16:24 PilzAdam what question?
16:24 devlab no really, where do you want the bot?
16:24 RagnarLaud Here on irc
16:24 VanessaE PilzAdam: if you saw the latest version of the mese changes.  Come to my server to see it in action (mese pickaxe, UFO use it)
16:24 devlab have a VPS?
16:24 RagnarLaud No
16:24 PilzAdam VanessaE, arent they a few days old?
16:25 devlab i have a vps, what kind of bot?
16:25 VanessaE indeed they are.
16:25 PilzAdam we already talked about it in -dev
16:25 PilzAdam with c55
16:25 RagnarLaud A bot that would say anything once every minute
16:25 VanessaE PilzAdam: well consensus from those who commented on the commit was to merge it
16:25 RagnarLaud So i wouldnt crash
16:26 VanessaE PilzAdam: I counted 5 in favor, 2 opposed, 1 abstain
16:26 devlab You want a chatterbot huh?
16:26 RagnarLaud Yeah
16:26 VanessaE whatever bot you create, RagnarLaud, do not bring it here,
16:26 VanessaE we already have like three and that's enough.
16:26 RagnarLaud A CleverBot
16:27 Jordach http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEhnJqhMTHU
16:27 moltenbot Jordach's link: Keyboard led vu meter - YouTube
16:27 Jordach something i worked on a few weeks back
16:27 RagnarLaud But i keep crashing whenever nobody talks for over 2 minutes
16:27 devlab tbh, last time a bot that i created entered a channel, it got banned
16:27 RagnarLaud So please VanessaE
16:28 RagnarLaud Lol
16:28 VanessaE no.
16:28 RagnarLaud Well what if...i will ask OldCoder
16:28 VanessaE I'm pretty sure I speak for the rest of the mods here:  add a bot and it will be banned immediately
16:28 RagnarLaud Hey VanessaE, will you be the bot them??
16:28 devlab lol
16:28 KikaRz LOL
16:29 KikaRz RagnarLaud, stop talking a lot of phrases with 3 words.
16:29 RagnarLaud Hi KikaRz
16:29 KikaRz RagnarLaud, stop talking a lot of phrases with 3 words.
16:29 RagnarLaud No
16:29 RagnarLaud I
16:29 RagnarLaud Wont
16:29 KikaRz ...
16:29 kaeza back
16:29 RagnarLaud Hi kaeza
16:29 Zeg9 Hello !
16:29 kaeza hi!
16:29 * marktraceur joins in
16:29 RagnarLaud Yolo
16:29 kaeza hi Zeg9
16:29 marktraceur Hi!
16:29 RagnarLaud Hi
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16:29 kaeza hey marktraceur
16:30 devlab RagnarLaud: not pleasent, i had to talk to Freenode's staff
16:30 KikaRz +q "yolo"!@*
16:30 devlab to get the bot unbanned
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16:30 RagnarLaud Hey KikaRz. I ____ you. Fill im the _
16:30 KikaRz hate
16:31 KikaRz i know you hate me
16:31 RagnarLaud No
16:31 KikaRz and that space? it's a gap.
16:31 Jordach tips, KikaRz /ignore RagnarLaud all, and RagnarLaud, /ignore KikaRz all
16:31 devlab hahah
16:31 kaeza1 joined #minetest
16:31 RagnarLaud I know that. You think im an ______?
16:32 KikaRz PilzAdam, how we grow up the cocoa trees?
16:32 kaeza1 please not again Ragnar
16:32 RagnarLaud Well, Jordach, you, my good sir, are a _______!
16:32 RagnarLaud XD
16:33 marktraceur KikaRz: Why would RagnarLaud hate you? I mean, maybe dislike, but it's the internet! You can't hate words! :)
16:33 RagnarLaud Hi kaeza1
16:33 Jordach Well done, 7 letter word, can i has 50 points + a triple word score?
16:33 kaeza1 Jordach is a bunch of underscores? I don't get it...
16:33 RagnarLaud Jordach only if you answer it correctly
16:34 Jordach 455#013
16:34 RagnarLaud Kaeza1 ill tell you when your older xD
16:34 marktraceur kaeza1: It means he's an underachiever, maybe?
16:34 kaeza1 Jordach: maybe
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16:34 kaeza1 RagnarLaud: I double your age
16:35 ObKo left #minetest
16:35 RagnarLaud Right. Of course you do, little princess =3
16:35 RagnarLaud XD
16:35 kaeza1 uhh... princess??
16:35 markveidemanis[m joined #minetest
16:35 markveidemanis[m hi
16:36 kaeza1 hi mark
16:36 markveidemanis[m hello?
16:36 theTroy joined #minetest
16:36 markveidemanis[m hi
16:36 markveidemanis[m im on my phone
16:36 kaeza1 RagnarLaud: I'm the Lord of Darkness >:]
16:37 kaeza1 markveidemanis[m: I'm on a chair
16:37 RagnarLaud Hey. How much do 21001 coconuts cost, if the size of the earth is diveded by the mass of the sun and tripled?
16:37 kaeza1 :P
16:37 RagnarLaud No really, tell me, idk
16:37 RagnarLaud XD
16:38 kaeza1 the earth size cannot be 'diveded'
16:38 markveidemanis[m :-) ;-) ;-) :-P =-O :-* :O B-) :-$ :-! :-[ O:-) :-\ :'( :-X :-D o_O :-/ x-( :-| <3 :-V XD :-Q :-@ :-C :-O
16:38 markveidemanis[m kp
16:39 RagnarLaud Kaeza1 you cant be diveded!!
16:39 sfan5 !up mcbride.homelinux.net
16:39 moltenbot Minetest server mcbride.homelinux.net:30000 UP
16:39 kaeza1 hello sfan5
16:39 marktraceur RagnarLaud: Nothing, because A) There'd be nobody around to buy or sell the coconuts and B) The coconuts wouldn't grow. Earth wouldn't have its atmosphere if it were that small.
16:39 sfan5 !ping mcbride.homelinux.net
16:39 sfan5 wtf?! where is Minetest-tan?
16:39 moltenbot host mcbride.homelinux.net DOWN
16:39 sfan5 !server
16:39 Minetest-tan sfan5: Calinou's Server | calin.sytes.net:30000   up (91.438%)
16:39 sfan5 !up mcbride.homelinux.net
16:39 RagnarLaud Lol
16:39 moltenbot Minetest server mcbride.homelinux.net:30000 UP
16:40 jojoa1997 vanessa afk?
16:40 RagnarLaud !joke
16:40 thexyz sfan5: i've disabled !up, no need to see that server is up/down twice
16:40 Zeg9 Whose server is mcbride.homelinux.net?
16:40 sfan5 but i found the ms time for pinging usefuel :( @thexyz
16:41 RagnarLaud jojoa VanessaE is idle
16:41 jojoa1997 k
16:41 sfan5 Zeg9: http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=57687#p57687
16:41 moltenbot sfan5's link: Testing Server & Survival. (Page 1) - Servers - Minetest Forums
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16:41 Zeg9 Okay
16:42 RagnarLaud Hey ruben
16:42 rubenwardy hi all
16:42 thexyz sfan5: well, iqualfragile refused to remove !up from moltenbot, so i did that
16:42 RagnarLaud Hey rubenwardy
16:42 rubenwardy Hi, wuu2?
16:42 RagnarLaud Can you make me a website tomorrow?
16:43 Zeg9 RagnarLaud, why wouldn't you do that yourself
16:43 thexyz and i don't want to argue with him or anybody
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16:44 RagnarLaud KNIFE to meet you, *guy gets stabbed* foot worry, im in STABle condition
16:45 kaeza1 ...
16:45 RagnarLaud Zeg9 cause im not good @ it
16:45 Zeg9 Ha nice found an interesting bug
16:45 Zeg9 in the latest git, no fall damage is taken when fly is enabled - even if no fly privilege !
16:45 marktraceur RagnarLaud: Who is happiest in a stable condition? Horses.
16:45 kaeza1 RagnarLaud: try Kopozer :)
16:46 kaeza1 Kompozer
16:46 kaeza1 *
16:46 * kaeza1 is lolling at the joke by marktraceur
16:46 * marktraceur giggles all the way to work
16:46 RagnarLaud Is it for ubuntu 9.04
16:46 kaeza1 RagnarLaud: wrong
16:46 Zeg9 Make websites with openoffice :D
16:46 sfan5 who uses ubuntu 9.04 (if you leave my school out
16:46 rubenwardy WordPress is good
16:46 sfan5 )?
16:47 RagnarLaud The library maybe, where i use a public pc...
16:47 kaeza1 sfan5: My uni had Win95 back in 2004 :(
16:47 sfan5 lol
16:47 RagnarLaud Lol
16:47 kaeza1 public schools suck
16:47 rubenwardy I have a Win95 laptop with 16 MB ram, 4 GB hard drive space
16:48 kaeza1 rubenwardy: +1
16:48 kaeza1 Win98SE is the most stabe version IMHO
16:48 rubenwardy still better than Vista
16:48 KikaRz yea!
16:48 Jordach IMPOSSIBRU!
16:48 RagnarLaud Well my granny has a commodore 128
16:48 KikaRz No
16:48 KikaRz the 3.x its the most stable
16:49 Jordach vista runs better on mine that xp does
16:49 kaeza1 IDK, XP is a mem hog
16:49 kaeza1 And Vista too
16:49 Jordach kaeza1, its using 200mb as of right now
16:49 kaeza1 I prefer Seven
16:49 RagnarLaud Hey Jordach rwj much?
16:49 rubenwardy kaeza1 +1
16:49 KikaRz PilzAdam
16:50 KikaRz How i can get my cocoa trees working?
16:50 kaeza1 (that is, WHEN I use Windows)
16:50 kaeza1 I prefer Linux all the way!
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16:50 aldobr hi all
16:50 rubenwardy how do you resize layers on gimp?
16:50 kaeza1 hi aldobr
16:50 rubenwardy nm
16:50 RagnarLaud Jordach did you take that from rwj's episode?
16:50 kaeza1 rubenwardy: Layer->resize
16:50 aldobr what is the type returned by minetest.registered_items[] ?
16:51 kaeza1 aldobr: same as ItemDef
16:51 aldobr i need to check if a certain item-name is a tool
16:51 aldobr its there a sane way ?
16:51 kaeza1 minetest.registered_items["default:wood"].description
16:51 kaeza1 err..
16:51 aldobr theres no itemdef in the api.txt
16:51 kaeza1 minetest.registered_items["yourmod:youritem"].description
16:52 RagnarLaud !g his here have no fear darkman is back
16:52 Minetest-tan RagnarLaud: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x4hfsh_nana-she-s-coming-terminator-remix_music
16:52 KikaRz !g Laud
16:52 Minetest-tan KikaRz: Nope!
16:52 RagnarLaud Great song
16:52 KikaRz fuck you bot
16:52 KikaRz !owner
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16:52 kaeza1 aldobr: https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L1297
16:52 moltenbot kaeza1's link: minetest/doc/lua_api.txt at master ? celeron55/minetest ? GitHub
16:52 RagnarLaud KikaRz pwned much?
16:52 KikaRz shut up
16:52 KikaRz ignored RagnarLaud
16:53 VanessaE PilzAdam: problems connecting?
16:53 aldobr kaeza1 thats exactly the document i am reading
16:53 aldobr theres no itemdef
16:53 PilzAdam VanessaE, nope, just testing a patch from thexyz
16:53 VanessaE ok
16:53 kaeza1 and that's exactly the structure saved in registered_items
16:53 kaeza1 aldobr: ^
16:53 RagnarLaud !g KikaRz getting pwned by a bot
16:53 Minetest-tan RagnarLaud: http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/2012-11-17
16:54 aldobr ah, found
16:54 aldobr thanks
16:55 PilzAdam VanessaE, just for the record, I will mainly ignore this channel from now on because its just too loud here
16:55 aldobr theres nothing there that points that an item is a tool
16:55 kaeza1 aldobr: np. just ask if you have any doubts
16:55 PilzAdam VanessaE, you can talk to me on the other channels
16:55 aldobr what happens to tool_capabilities if an item is not a tool ?
16:55 RagnarLaud The pen is stronger than the sword, but only if the pen is held by RagnarLaud
16:55 VanessaE ok.
16:55 aldobr is it set to nil ?
16:55 KikaRz PilzAdam, i need to talk with you
16:55 KikaRz About your farming_plus mod
16:55 aldobr (if yes, i can use that to detect if item is a tool)
16:56 kaeza1 hmm
16:56 kaeza1 I don't know much about that one
16:56 kaeza1 I don't mess with tools
16:57 kaeza1 sorry
16:58 aldobr another question
16:59 aldobr i have an array indexed by names
16:59 Minetest-tan GIT: xyzz (Ilya Zhuravlev) commited to celeron55/minetest: Make m_media_fetch_threads to contain MediaFetchThread* instead of MediaFetchThread e9006f904c 2012-12-17T08:56:59-08:00
16:59 aldobr in other place i need to index that array by numbers instead of name
16:59 aldobr how to get the name and value from the index ?
16:59 aldobr like
16:59 aldobr local a = {}
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16:59 aldobr local a['name'] = 10
16:59 aldobr how to get 'name' from a[1] ?
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17:01 RagnarLaud Why did moltenbot quit?
17:01 aldobr smoke a little
17:01 aldobr pee maybe
17:02 kaeza1 aldobr: wait
17:02 sfan5 aldobr: a['name']
17:02 aldobr nope
17:02 aldobr i dont know "name"
17:02 aldobr i know index
17:02 aldobr i want to get the name
17:02 rubenwardy Should the food mod have nyan cat sandwich or nyan cat burger?
17:03 aldobr rubenwardy how could someone eat a nyan cat ?
17:03 sfan5 ^
17:03 aldobr :(
17:03 FreeFull aldobr: a[1] = "name" ?
17:03 RagnarLaud I would
17:03 kaeza1 rubenwardy: mmmmm... nyan cay sandwich...
17:03 Minetest-tan IndexError: list index out of range (file "/home/minetest/bot/modules/rssnotify.py", line 39, in rsscheck)
17:03 KikaRz hahahaah
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17:03 rubenwardy 1 nyan cat -> 99 sandwiches
17:03 RagnarLaud GHGHGH
17:03 thexyz lol
17:03 aldobr local a['default:coal_lump'] = 10
17:03 aldobr ops
17:03 aldobr local a = {}
17:03 aldobr a["default:coal_lump"] = 10
17:03 kaeza1 Just asking but just how rare is the nyancat?
17:04 aldobr a["default:torch"] = 20
17:04 RagnarLaud Yo, i lost my virginity before my dad did, yo
17:04 aldobr for i=1,table.getn(a) do
17:04 aldobr minetest.debug(a[i] ???)
17:04 aldobr end
17:04 aldobr i want to print "default:coal_lump" and "default:torch"
17:05 rubenwardy very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very  x 100
17:05 rubenwardy rare
17:05 kaeza1 aldobr
17:05 kaeza1 you must look up the index them
17:05 kaeza1 then*
17:05 aldobr a[i]
17:05 kaeza1 for i=1, table.getn(a) do
17:05 kaeza1 no wiat
17:06 kaeza1 wait a moment plz
17:06 aldobr hm
17:06 aldobr forget, i can do with pairs()
17:06 Zeg9 ipairs
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17:07 Zeg9 Someone got player textures ? I'm making a skins mod and would like some default skins to put in
17:07 Zeg9 It allows 2d as well as 3d skins
17:08 kaeza aldobr: http://pastebin.com/UiQ95rSa
17:09 aldobr hm
17:09 Minetest-tan GIT: PilzAdam (PilzAdam) commited to celeron55/minetest: Fix falling damage when not flying f4ed37ec6f 2012-12-17T09:04:41-08:00
17:09 aldobr ok
17:09 aldobr but this is a linear search
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17:09 moltenbot rajaniemi.freenode.net's link: freenode: frequently-asked questions
17:09 Zeg9 PilzAdam, did someone report it before me ? :D
17:09 kaeza there's no other way
17:09 aldobr :/
17:09 KikaRz fail
17:09 PilzAdam Zeg9, nope
17:09 KikaRz '-'
17:09 aldobr damm lua
17:09 kaeza unless you do the other way around
17:09 KikaRz Zeg9, he ignored the room
17:10 aldobr i found a way using pairs
17:10 kaeza a[10] = 'default:coal_lump'
17:10 PilzAdam Zeg9, it was a rather obvios bug if you look at the code
17:10 Zeg9 I guess that
17:10 aldobr no because i have to store two values
17:10 aldobr and i dont want to make it a sub-table
17:10 aldobr because in other place i index by the names
17:10 kaeza can you pastebin your code? Iy may make things clearer
17:10 aldobr i am doing the part of the code that detects if the player has enough free slots
17:10 kaeza It*
17:10 aldobr well
17:11 aldobr let me ask,
17:11 aldobr its there a way to detect if i can put several items into the player inventory AT the same time ?
17:11 iqualfragile RagnarLaud likes jokes
17:11 aldobr not only one, but four itemstacks at the same time
17:11 kaeza aldobr: use inv:room_for_item()
17:11 KikaRz !joke
17:11 KikaRz !joke RagnarLaud
17:12 aldobr kaeza this only tests for one stack
17:12 kaeza you do it in a loop
17:12 iqualfragile (he has allready requested 102 jokes from my bot
17:12 aldobr room_for_item("main", ItemStack("default:mese 99"))
17:12 Zeg9 What's the license for this: minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=3915 ?
17:12 rubenwardy (17:07:44) Zeg9: Someone got player textures ? I'm making a skins mod and would like some default skins to put in
17:12 rubenwardy (17:07:51) Zeg9: It allows 2d as well as 3d skins
17:12 rubenwardy http://multa.bugs3.com/minetest/charaters
17:12 kaeza and you can check for room
17:12 rubenwardy sorry, http://multa.bugs3.com/minetest/avatar/
17:12 aldobr if theres space for one item
17:12 moltenbot rubenwardy's link: Welcome - Minetest Characters
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17:12 rubenwardy only 2d atm
17:12 aldobr it will answer ok even if the three items cannot be added simultaneously
17:12 Zeg9 rubenwardy, what's the license?
17:13 aldobr because i am testing only one item at a time
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17:13 moltenbot gibson.freenode.net's link: freenode: frequently-asked questions
17:13 rubenwardy ask the creator
17:13 Minetest-tan GIT: PilzAdam (PilzAdam) commited to celeron55/minetest_game: Fix modname prefix in stairs and slab functions 8c977451a8 2012-12-16T10:52:13-08:00
17:13 rubenwardy http://multa.bugs3.com/minetest/avatar/zipball.php to download them all
17:14 aldobr ah
17:14 aldobr thats too hard
17:14 aldobr :/
17:14 aldobr i will rewrite everything from scratch
17:14 kaeza aldobr
17:14 kaeza wait a bit
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17:15 RagnarLaud I won at connect4 im 3 moves yay!!!
17:16 rubenwardy -!- Food Mod(s) Update - 0.8.2 -!-
17:16 rubenwardy coming in 30 minutes
17:16 rubenwardy >> food
17:16 rubenwardy PilzAdam's simplemobs support
17:16 rubenwardy docfarming support
17:16 rubenwardy clean up
17:16 rubenwardy >> food_modern
17:16 rubenwardy popcorn
17:16 rubenwardy milkshakes
17:16 rubenwardy chips
17:16 rubenwardy burgers
17:16 rubenwardy hot chocolate
17:16 KikaRz SHUT UP
17:16 rubenwardy and nyan cat rainbow juice
17:17 thexyz every time i see post about any modern game http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/9/2009/10/500x_niceshooting.jpg
17:17 ruskie lol
17:17 ruskie it's just something for the OCD people ;)
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17:18 RagnarLaud How much is a gallon?
17:18 thexyz RagnarLaud: google://gallon
17:19 ruskie ~4L
17:19 RagnarLaud !g gallon
17:19 Minetest-tan RagnarLaud: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gallon
17:19 jordan4ibanez thexyz, can you push this https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/pull/295/files
17:19 moltenbot jordan4ibanez's link: Allow different place sounds by moving the code for it to Lua by PilzAdam ? Pull Request #295 ? celeron55/minetest ? GitHub
17:19 RagnarLaud !define gallon
17:19 moltenbot http://ddg.dg: gallon definition: a unit of liquid capacity equal to 231 cubic inches or four quarts.
17:19 jordan4ibanez so this can be pushed https://github.com/celeron55/minetest_game/pull/48
17:19 moltenbot jordan4ibanez's link: Add the place field to default sound table by PilzAdam ? Pull Request #48 ? celeron55/minetest_game ? GitHub
17:19 kaeza aldobr:
17:19 thexyz jordan4ibanez: ask PilzAdam
17:20 jordan4ibanez pilzadam can you push that stuff
17:20 PilzAdam jordan4ibanez, no, c55 doesnt want this; it should be done in c++ so the sound is perfectly synchronized
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17:21 jordan4ibanez But that's the main fucking point, it tells you if a server is lagging
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17:22 PilzAdam sound isnt the best medium to do this
17:22 kaeza aldobr: http://pastebin.com/TABmJtL3
17:22 jordan4ibanez All this stuff about how to get server lag, and i found a solution which adds another feature, and it's not getting pushed
17:22 moltenbot kaeza's link: [Lua] local stacks = {  { item=ItemStack("'default:mese' 99"), added=false; },  { it - Pastebin.com
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17:22 kaeza maybe you can adapt that code
17:22 jordan4ibanez Yes, yes it is, there is no better way that you can constantly check without an annoying block, or constantly /ping
17:23 kaeza I didn't test it though
17:23 jordan4ibanez "oh i think this server is lagging" *places block* "hmmm..." *block sound* "oh yep!"
17:23 PilzAdam jordan4ibanez, in current code there is even an dummy node placed so the client doesnt notice the server lag when building
17:23 PilzAdam so just remove this to get the server lag
17:24 jordan4ibanez No, that will LOOK hacky, the way this does it is very efficient and constant
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17:25 sfan5 hi Minetest-tan
17:25 Minetest-tan Hey sfan5!
17:25 RagnarLaud Yo pick up ze phone
17:25 RagnarLaud Hi minetest-tan
17:25 Minetest-tan Hey RagnarLaud!
17:25 RagnarLaud Way
17:25 RagnarLaud yay
17:26 PilzAdam jordan4ibanez, the current code is all about people shouldnt recognize the server lag
17:27 RagnarLaud PilzAdam did you know that...
17:27 jordan4ibanez But that is highly unlikely and close-minded because people should be able to recognize server lag because all servers lag, and if the code is all about how people shouldn't notice server lag, why does the server
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17:28 PilzAdam jordan4ibanez, this only applies to very high pings
17:28 PilzAdam the normal lag isnt that massive that this effect is noticeable
17:28 sfan5 !server
17:28 Minetest-tan sfan5: [Wazu] Clan Server 0.4.4 | wazuclan.com:30000   up (96.719%)
17:28 sfan5 !server
17:28 Minetest-tan sfan5: [Wazu] Clan Server 0.4.4 | wazuclan.com:30000   up (96.719%)
17:28 sfan5 !server
17:28 Minetest-tan sfan5: dise's server [0.4.3] | dise-minetest.no-ip.org:30000   up (86.631%)
17:29 sfan5 !server
17:29 Minetest-tan sfan5: Mrtux's Minetest server | minetest.org:30001   up (90.676%)
17:29 sfan5 !server
17:29 Minetest-tan sfan5: [0.4.3] LAD's creative server 24/7 | minetest.org:30006   up (90.653%)
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17:29 kaeza aldobr2: hi again!
17:29 PilzAdam jordan4ibanez, but the sound would even with default lag sound weird
17:29 jordan4ibanez Every server i go on has this kind of lag, sometimes even localhost, and it's very irritating
17:29 kaeza aldobr2: have you read the pastebin I posted?
17:30 aldobr2 hi
17:30 aldobr2 im reading
17:30 jordan4ibanez OH, then change the play at position, to play to player
17:30 aldobr2 local stack_count = #stacks;
17:31 jordan4ibanez but whatever, i give up on that then
17:31 aldobr2 is this the same as local stack_count = tables.getn(stacks) ?
17:31 sfan5 aldobr2: yes
17:31 aldobr2 nice
17:31 aldobr2 new trick for me
17:31 sfan5 :D
17:32 aldobr2 i will try another way
17:32 aldobr2 see, if the player is buying something, he will have less money after buying than before
17:32 aldobr2 so i will put the money back into the player inventary (the change)
17:32 aldobr2 and drop the item to the ground
17:33 aldobr2 he grabs the item from the ground
17:33 aldobr2 if hes inventory is not full
17:33 RagnarLaud RagnarLaud : 0 = 1
17:33 aldobr2 else he moves items to the craft area to create space
17:33 aldobr2 etc
17:34 RagnarLaud !joke
17:34 RagnarLaud !joke
17:34 RagnarLaud !joke
17:34 RagnarLaud !joke
17:34 RagnarLaud !joke
17:34 RagnarLaud !joke
17:34 RagnarLaud !joke
17:34 marktraceur Holy gods.
17:34 sfan5 RagnarLaud: stop spamming
17:35 RagnarLaud Ok. Btw sfan5 you are an  _______
17:35 sfan5 thanks for the compliment :)
17:35 * kaeza is amused
17:35 jordan4ibanez You are nil sfan5
17:35 jordan4ibanez lol
17:36 RagnarLaud >=(
17:36 aldobr2 kaeza
17:36 sfan5 i wonder if you can divide through nil
17:36 kaeza yes?
17:36 aldobr2 the only problem is that the machine will get more money than before the sell
17:36 aldobr2 so i still have a problem to detect free slots :/
17:36 kaeza As I said, I didn't actually test the code
17:36 jordan4ibanez You can, but it equals nil
17:36 aldobr2 i will make so that the machine only operates if there are 3 empty slots
17:36 aldobr2 thats harsh, but works
17:36 sfan5 jordan4ibanez: :D
17:36 jordan4ibanez it's like dividing by zero, because nil basically is 0
17:37 jordan4ibanez OH GOD TOO MUCH MATH
17:37 RagnarLaud !joke
17:37 RagnarLaud !joke
17:37 RagnarLaud !joke
17:37 RagnarLaud !joke
17:37 RagnarLaud !joke
17:37 RagnarLaud !joke
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17:37 RagnarLaud !joke
17:37 RagnarLaud !joke
17:37 RagnarLaud !joke
17:37 marktraceur jordan4ibanez: It depends on how Lua does type coercion, I guess
17:37 kaeza aldobr2: You can loop through the array returned by env:get_list()
17:37 jordan4ibanez no, nil is the absense of a number, essentially 0
17:37 marktraceur sfan5: How's that op status treatin' you?
17:38 kaeza aldobr2: and count those for which stack:is_empty() returns true
17:38 sfan5 x/0 technically equals Infinity*(1-2*(x<0))
17:38 aldobr2 yes
17:38 kaeza jordan4ibanez: wrong!
17:38 kaeza nil != 0
17:38 jordan4ibanez Nil equals nothing
17:38 sfan5 marktraceur: dunno...
17:39 marktraceur aldobr2: What are you trying to do, exactly?
17:39 RagnarLaud !joke
17:39 RagnarLaud !joke
17:39 RagnarLaud !joke
17:39 RagnarLaud !joke
17:39 RagnarLaud !joke
17:39 RagnarLaud !joke
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17:39 RagnarLaud !joke
17:39 RagnarLaud was kicked by sfan5: stop!
17:39 Jordach good
17:39 kaeza +1 sfan5
17:39 jordan4ibanez Fucking retard
17:39 Jordach +x/0
17:39 marktraceur Something tells me that won't matter much
17:40 sfan5 <Jordach> +x/0
17:40 sfan5 ^ what?
17:40 kaeza Jordach: OH SHI--
17:40 Jordach >:D
17:40 aldobr2 marktraceur i am doing a selling machine
17:40 thexyz +inf, apparently
17:40 aldobr2 but i must be carefull with inventory overflow
17:40 iqualfragile http://minetest.ne
17:40 thexyz iqualfragile: dns lookup failed
17:40 marktraceur aldobr2: In what circumstance, exactly?
17:40 sfan5 x/0 = Infinity*(1-2*(x<0)) @Jordach
17:41 Jordach ha
17:41 Jordach sfan5, this is not twitter
17:41 aldobr2 @marktraceur my mod uses 3 kinds of money
17:41 iqualfragile shure, i actualy tried to remove teh wohle line but accidentaly hit enter…
17:41 aldobr2 i need to take money from the player, put the change back into the player, remove the sold item from the machine, put the money paid into the machine and put the item sold into the player
17:41 aldobr2 all without overflowing the inventory
17:41 aldobr2 and must be atomic
17:41 marktraceur Hm.
17:41 aldobr2 cannot fail midway
17:42 jordan4ibanez How to, find an item in inventory?
17:42 sfan5 Jordach: i didn't want to delete the text i already wrote and i didn't want to move my cursor
17:42 Jordach lolol
17:42 marktraceur aldobr2: I think you can fetch the inventory stacks via InvRef:get_list or similar. Then you can play with that as a test and see what works for you, without modifying the inventories.
17:43 marktraceur aldobr2: I think you could also put the money in escrow and punish a player who didn't think it through by not giving them the item :)
17:44 sfan5 http://example.com
17:44 moltenbot sfan5's link: Example Domain
17:44 aldobr2 i found a solution
17:44 aldobr2 based on the following
17:44 aldobr2 the machine only operates if it has 3 empty slots
17:44 aldobr2 the player will allways receive less money than it paid
17:44 aldobr2 the machine will allways have less items than before
17:45 aldobr2 and if the player has no free slot for the bought item, the item is dropped
17:45 aldobr2 i believe this will solve
17:45 aldobr2 item 2 and 3 means i dont need to check for space
17:45 aldobr2 and item 1 and 4 solves the inventory overflow
17:46 jordan4ibanez update: now fireworks boxes work as that; you place fireworks in them like a chest, and they will shoot off
17:46 marktraceur aldobr2: Why not have a non-displayed inventory for the machine's money balance?
17:46 jordan4ibanez on mesecons power on
17:46 aldobr2 marktraceur because i want the money to be tangible
17:46 aldobr2 the machine is like a locked chest
17:46 aldobr2 the owner (the seller) can open it and place items to sell and take the money of the items sold
17:46 aldobr2 the money is not abstract, but is real coins
17:47 aldobr2 made out of mese
17:47 marktraceur aldobr2: Well, why not have two nodes, then--one for items to sell and one for the collected money?
17:47 aldobr2 real in the game sense
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17:47 aldobr2 marktraceur i believe this would make the thing too complex
17:47 aldobr2 but i will try that if the current model fails
17:47 rubenwardy thexyz, sfan5, Calinou, VanessaE
17:47 rubenwardy http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=51230#p51230
17:47 moltenbot rubenwardy's link: Publishing Mods: For mod makers, new and old (Page 1) - Modding General - Minetest Forums
17:47 sfan5 RagnarLaud disconnected from Freenode!
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17:47 rubenwardy what do you think?
17:48 VanessaE hiruben
17:48 VanessaE er hi rubenwardy
17:48 VanessaE rubenwardy: come play on my kickass server :D
17:48 sfan5 rubenwardy: really nice! stickd'
17:48 sfan5 VanessaE: ip?
17:48 VanessaE sfan5, rubenwardy:  vanessae.mine.bz:30000
17:48 VanessaE it has tons of mods, so it'll take a while to load.
17:48 sfan5 !up vanessae.mine.bz
17:48 moltenbot Minetest server vanessae.mine.bz:30000 UP
17:49 aldobr2 last bug :
17:49 aldobr2 local sound = minetest.sound_play("mint_atm.ogg", { pos=pos, gain=1.0, max_hear_distance=32 })
17:49 sfan5 VanessaE: can i get a preloaded cache directory zipped?
17:49 aldobr2 doesnt play sound
17:49 marktraceur sfan5: You know Ragnar has three or four different nicks? Ragnar, RagnarLaud, EqualsRagnar
17:49 VanessaE sfan5: sure, gimme a few minutes to prepare it.
17:49 sfan5 marktraceur: lemme check
17:50 sfan5 marktraceur: RagnarLaud doesn't own the Ragnar nick, other nicks are not online
17:50 marktraceur Hm.
17:50 VanessaE sfan5: uploading...
17:52 aldobr2 finished
17:52 aldobr2 http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=57541#p57541
17:52 moltenbot aldobr2's link: [mod] mint & automatic selling machine [mint] (Page 1) - Modding General - Minetest Forums
17:52 VanessaE sfan5: http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/vanessae.mine.bz-cache.zip
17:52 celeron55 ummmmmmmmm
17:53 rubenwardy VanessaE! you dont have my food mod installed, but you do have farming and farming_plus installed! :P
17:53 Jordach yes celeron55?
17:53 thexyz sfan5: why do you need the cache?
17:53 thexyz just make VanessaE to enable remote_media
17:53 celeron55 i do not like rubenwardy's promotion of his half-made extension repo in a "howto" that actually explains nothing, that is a sticky
17:53 VanessaE rubenwardy: I never thought to add it :-)
17:53 rubenwardy sorry, you may unsticky it
17:54 marktraceur aldobr2: I'm intrigued! Thanks for the cool mod.
17:54 VanessaE thexyz: I don't know anything about that remote_media thing, I've only seen some talk about it, but I'm not aware of how it works.
17:54 thexyz well, it's perfectly documented
17:54 celeron55 it shouldn't be a sticky for now, or alternatively remove the minetest extensions promo and add more useful stuff and links to it
17:55 thexyz VanessaE: like, in client.cpp
17:55 VanessaE thexyz: is that part of the main repo yet?
17:55 thexyz VanessaE: it is
17:55 celeron55 or alternatively make it solely an advertisement for your minetest extensions repo
17:55 aldobr2 if only some server decided to add my minecoins mod
17:55 celeron55 then it can be left to be a sticky
17:55 kaeza1 hello celeron55
17:55 thexyz actually, what you need is to set up some http server (better use nginx) and then make media accessible from web
17:55 celeron55 just don't make your site look like it'd be something official
17:56 celeron55 or, the post to look so, that is
17:56 thexyz then set remote_media to point to url where that media can be accessed (don't forget the tailing /)
17:56 marktraceur celeron55: It would be a good idea to start supporting at least one centralized repo, don't you think?
17:56 marktraceur Or at least a repo _system_
17:57 marktraceur rubenwardy: Does your repo have source code somewhere?
17:57 celeron55 i'm fine with people doing their own things and hosting their sites and advertising on the forum, as long as they make it clear they aren't part of the "main website"
17:57 rubenwardy https://github.com/rubenwardy/minetest-forum
17:57 moltenbot rubenwardy's link: rubenwardy/minetest-forum ? GitHub
17:57 KikaRz wait a sec
17:57 celeron55 if the community decides to start supoorting one, fine; but currently i don't want to take sides
17:57 KikaRz !c 2012-1992
17:57 Minetest-tan 20
17:57 marktraceur Hrm, PHP
17:57 VanessaE thexyz: so this also requires a newer client build as well (obvious I guess)?
17:58 sfan5 VanessaE: and curl activated client side
17:58 PilzAdam VanessaE, but old clients can still connect
17:58 VanessaE right, I assumed (both)
17:58 celeron55 rubenwardy: do i seem reasonable?
17:58 rubenwardy you do
17:58 VanessaE is curl built by default if present?
17:58 celeron55 so, you know your options 8)
17:58 PilzAdam VanessaE, yep
17:58 celeron55 tell if you'd like it to be unstickied
17:59 sfan5 its unsticked
17:59 thexyz VanessaE: yeah, but it also supports older clients
17:59 sfan5 *unstickied
17:59 thexyz btw, i'm planning to make semi-automatic minetest builds using MSVC with all features enabled (like gettext, curl, etc..)
17:59 VanessaE ok, I'll update the server then.
18:00 VanessaE #media_fetch_threads = 8  <-- this is the default?
18:00 rubenwardy I have updated it
18:00 PilzAdam VanessaE, yep
18:00 kaeza1 new commit?
18:00 kaeza1 ...
18:00 thexyz VanessaE: yes, that only affects client
18:00 VanessaE ok, so nothing special need be done on my end - just pull and build.
18:01 thexyz yeah
18:01 thexyz and set up web server
18:01 VanessaE excellent.
18:01 celeron55 rubenwardy: nice, re-stickied it
18:01 thexyz and symlink everything to it
18:01 VanessaE web...server?
18:01 VanessaE fuck
18:01 VanessaE I knew there was a catch  :-)
18:01 thexyz (21:54:58) thexyz: actually, what you need is to set up some http server (better use nginx) and then make media accessible from web
18:01 sfan5 VanessaE: pythons SimpleHTTPServer should work
18:01 celeron55 rubenwardy: you clearly got what i was thinking 8)
18:01 thexyz sfan5: no way
18:01 thexyz better use some real one
18:01 thexyz like nginx
18:02 thexyz that's all about perfomance, remember?
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18:02 VanessaE shouldn't the server/engine start its own mini webserver for this purpose?
18:02 thexyz and then you set up some slow web server in python...
18:02 thexyz VanessaE: i'm too lazy to write one
18:02 Zephyrus1497 HI
18:02 thexyz and i don't think this is needed
18:02 thexyz why do we need to have webserver inside minetest?
18:02 Jordach thexyz, still faster than the default method
18:02 VanessaE haha
18:02 thexyz Jordach: probably
18:02 VanessaE thexyz: why do wee need http fetch with no webserver to serve it? :-)
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18:03 Jordach thexyz, you should really turn down the negativity when someone is against your views
18:03 thexyz VanessaE: because it works faster
18:03 thexyz Jordach: what about my negativity?
18:03 thexyz care to quote me?
18:04 jordan4ibanez what is the equivilant to \n in lua?
18:04 Jordach <thexyz> sfan5: no way
18:04 Jordach <thexyz> better use some real one
18:04 kaeza VanessaE: http://www.hiawatha-webserver.org/
18:04 moltenbot kaeza's link: Hiawatha - Hiawatha webserver
18:04 jordan4ibanez \n being new line in python
18:04 Zephyrus1497 hi everyone
18:04 VanessaE meh.
18:04 kaeza hey Zephyrus1497
18:04 VanessaE I'll look into this later when I'm less pressed for ti,me
18:04 thexyz VanessaE: to conclude, use nginx
18:04 VanessaE time*
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18:04 Zephyrus1497 How is everyone today?
18:04 VanessaE hi Zephyrus.
18:04 markveidemanis good,...good.
18:05 aldobr2 any recommended app to make ingame videos?
18:05 thexyz Jordach: sorry, i don't see anything negative here
18:05 VanessaE ok, nginx website is open for later review
18:05 thexyz it also could be my awful understanding of english, btw
18:05 kaeza aldobr2: gtk-capturemydesktop
18:05 * rubenwardy has just finished listening to Portal 2: the complete sound track, and is now listening to Bon Jovi: Living on a prayer
18:05 aldobr2 im on windows :P
18:05 sfan5 VanessaE: ubuntu's file roller crashed while i wanted to extract the zip xD
18:05 VanessaE haha
18:06 VanessaE command line ftw :-)
18:06 VanessaE kaeza: gtk-recordmydesktop
18:06 kaeza VanessaE: ty. type
18:06 VanessaE well nginx is installed, I'll configure it later.
18:06 kaeza typo* FCK
18:06 sfan5 7zip in command line works fine, gui apps crash
18:07 VanessaE kaeza: double FAIL
18:07 VanessaE lol
18:07 kaeza :P
18:07 rubenwardy interesting trend for Minetest Extensions http://multa.bugs3.com/upload/piwik_weekly.png
18:07 marktraceur "Shockingly, after letting people upload files, more files were uploaded"
18:07 jin_xi is an extension the same as a mod?
18:08 sfan5 marktraceur: haha
18:08 marktraceur Oh, visits
18:08 sfan5 jin_xi: extension == mod
18:08 rubenwardy Minetest Extensions is a collection for Mods, Textures and sounds
18:08 sfan5 VanessaE: i forgot the password i used for your server
18:08 marktraceur jin_xi: We don't use the term extension, rubenwardy single-handedly decided to do that
18:08 rubenwardy Minetest Extensions does not host files
18:09 rubenwardy what should I call it?
18:09 jin_xi well i think its a bit confusing
18:09 thexyz how about some sort of "mod reviewing" site?
18:09 marktraceur rubenwardy: I think it should only be a mods repo, but that's just me
18:09 VanessaE sfan5: what's the most graceful way to reset it?
18:09 thexyz where "reviewers" should sign files with their gpg key or something
18:09 sfan5 VanessaE: auth.txt
18:09 VanessaE (the only way I know is to edit auth.txt and rest...)
18:09 rubenwardy ok
18:09 thexyz lie >this mod is reviewed by VanessaE, sha1: <>, [download], GPG sign: <>
18:09 VanessaE is a restart needed?
18:10 thexyz *like
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18:10 marktraceur VanessaE: There should be a command to reload auth (I think)
18:10 marktraceur /reload_auth or something facile as that
18:10 sfan5 marktraceur: there is a function for that but not a command
18:10 jordan4ibanez Aw mann, minetest doesn't support multiline description boxes :(
18:11 marktraceur I swear I've seen it
18:11 VanessaE ahh
18:11 VanessaE /clearpassword
18:11 VanessaE sfan5: reset.
18:11 rubenwardy how about that: http://multa.bugs3.com/minetest/forum/index.php
18:11 moltenbot rubenwardy's link: Home - Minetest Mods
18:12 rubenwardy|away brb
18:12 VanessaE sfan5: you can login now if you want.
18:12 marktraceur rubenwardy|away: It's not a forum, I hope you realize. It's basically a file host. Call it a repo or upload site or something.
18:12 jordan4ibanez That's a lot better
18:13 sfan5 VanessaE: i can't login
18:13 VanessaE sfan5: give it a new password?
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18:14 sfan5 VanessaE: forget what i said
18:14 VanessaE forgotten :D
18:18 jordan4ibanez working on a firework api :D
18:19 * Zeg9 is looking for player textures (for sprites as well as models) and their license
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18:21 rubenwardy It doesn't host files though, marktraceur
18:22 thexyz it should
18:22 rubenwardy http://github.com
18:22 moltenbot rubenwardy's link: GitHub ? Build software better, together.
18:23 thexyz rubenwardy: tell that to modders, not me
18:23 marktraceur https://gitorious.org
18:24 moltenbot marktraceur's link: Gitorious
18:24 rubenwardy bah
18:24 Calinou https://github.com
18:24 moltenbot Calinou's link: GitHub ? Build software better, together.
18:24 Calinou HTTPS FTW
18:25 Zeg9 Bbl
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18:25 jordan4ibanez Calinou and his extreme views :D
18:27 thexyz marktraceur: better use http://gitlabhq.com/ then
18:27 moltenbot thexyz's link: GITLAB Site
18:28 thexyz hm.. i probably should update my local one
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18:28 * kaeza welcomes new users to the Internet, where every FCKING thing yields a war, even VCS
18:29 rubenwardy I use github because minetest uses it
18:29 rubenwardy I dont know the adv/dis vantages of other ones
18:29 Zephyrus1497 oh it does does it?
18:29 rubenwardy I dont really care
18:30 thexyz rubenwardy: github is not free
18:30 Zephyrus1497 Mine is f***ed up
18:30 rubenwardy is it not?
18:30 rubenwardy ah, and gitorious is
18:31 john_minetest github is free if you don't have got private projects that only you and people that work on it can see.
18:31 kaeza github is free for opensource projects IIRC
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18:31 john_minetest public repos are free, private repos cost money
18:31 thexyz not like in free beer ^^
18:32 thexyz rubenwardy: both gitorious and gitlab are free/libre
18:32 mauvebic github... users could waste more time learning that than the actual MT API lol
18:32 john_minetest the software used in git is oss afaik
18:32 thexyz john_minetest: are we talking about git or github?
18:32 thexyz git is free, of course
18:33 kaeza hello mauvebic
18:33 john_minetest thexyz: meant github
18:33 Kray are you whining about github's internal stuff not being open source
18:33 Kray if you are, stfu
18:33 mauvebic hey kaeza
18:33 Kray that's completely irrelevant
18:33 thexyz Kray: not for marktraceur
18:33 marktraceur thexyz: I tried, but it doesn't allow anonymous http checkouts
18:33 thexyz marktraceur: yeah, that one is good for private repos
18:33 john_minetest relevant is, that it works.
18:33 thexyz i always forget to mention that
18:34 mauvebic i have yet to meet a system that beats the simplicity of anon file uploads lol
18:34 thexyz in general, i dislike gitorious interface
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18:34 VanessaE gitorious may be a nice solution for the sake of open source, but I *hate* its interface
18:34 markveidemanis HI
18:35 VanessaE sorry marktraceur  :-)
18:35 marktraceur VanessaE: I don't take offense, I didn't design it
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18:35 VanessaE I know, but you tend to promote it :-)
18:36 celeron55 i wonder why they don't update the interface
18:36 thexyz btw, gitlab has very similar to github interface
18:38 marktraceur VanessaE: It's just a matter of freedom, the interface doesn't have to be nice
18:38 thexyz marktraceur: most people will choose github then
18:38 marktraceur VanessaE: If there were a good free software git repository host that ran over telnet, I'd sho' 'nuff use that, too
18:38 thexyz for example, i did because of awful gitorious interface
18:39 VanessaE heh
18:39 marktraceur thexyz: And that's your choice. I choose to support free software, you choose not to. Fair enough.
18:39 celeron55 minetest uses github for the sole reason of bitbucket not supporting git at the time minetest moved from mercurial to git
18:39 Zephyrus1497 Ur museum looks good VanessaE
18:39 celeron55 otherwise it'd use bitbucket
18:39 VanessaE well I'm quite a visual person, so for me a good UI takes precedence over freedom of the underlying framework
18:39 marktraceur Though if you'd like to offset that, the FSF is having a donation drive :)
18:39 celeron55 (bitbucket isn't libre afaik)
18:39 VanessaE Zephyrus1497: Dolan is building it, I haven't see it yet
18:39 Zephyrus1497 Hello celeron
18:40 VanessaE to a degree, that is
18:41 thexyz marktraceur: isn't it important for fsf to get new people involved?
18:41 leo_rockway I'm jumping in in the middle of the conversation, but what about gitorious?
18:41 VanessaE 6638 sectors in my map already.  growing fast :-)
18:42 mauvebic whats the furthest point?
18:42 VanessaE 82 MB
18:42 mauvebic (furthest developed)
18:42 mauvebic nb
18:42 marktraceur thexyz: Yes, but not at the cost of supporting non-free software.
18:42 VanessaE doesn't hold a candle to Redcrab's 5GB map though :-)
18:42 mauvebic 300mb my map uncompressed
18:42 mauvebic jesus
18:42 VanessaE mauvebic: yeah but 90% of your map is worldedit'd or the equivalent in madblocks ;-)
18:42 thexyz marktraceur: how's that related? i wasn't talking about supporting non-free software at all
18:43 thexyz *weren't
18:43 marktraceur thexyz: OK, then yes. What's your point?
18:43 mauvebic VanessaE 1) theres only two of us 2) were not into building shacks lol
18:43 marktraceur ("wasn't" was the right contraction, though)
18:43 VanessaE heh
18:44 VanessaE mauvebic: I build decent, big houses without worldedit (except to prepare the ground underneath if needed) :-)
18:44 thexyz marktraceur: to get new people involved == to make things most of people would like, i.e. better interface; instead, it's common for open source devs to add something they want to
18:44 thexyz well, i can't blame them for doing so
18:44 mauvebic no one could build by hand what we build w/ WE anyhow so the point is moot
18:44 Jordach VanessaE, interesting buildings can be made without flatlands
18:45 mauvebic i doubt enough people know how to use WE wisely enough to build nice looking megaliths
18:45 VanessaE Jordach: I know, sometimes it's helpful to get some flat land first, build the house, then landscaping around it
18:46 marktraceur thexyz: It's certainly not low priority to help build a better repo host. GNU has its Savannah, which is arguably even worse than Gitorious.
18:46 jin_xi ^ its true
18:55 markveidemanis i am testing zeg9's skins mod on my server
18:55 markveidemanis you can pick skin in-game
18:55 Zephyrus1497 VanessE u should get that mod
18:56 VanessaE link?
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18:56 * marktraceur smirks at "VanessE"
18:56 Zephyrus1497 ................................................
18:56 markveidemanis https://github.com/Zeg9/minetest-skins
18:56 moltenbot markveidemanis's link: Zeg9/minetest-skins ? GitHub
18:56 Minetest-tan GIT: PilzAdam (PilzAdam) commited to celeron55/minetest: Add ability to change the itemstack in placenode callbacks 29c17c14f1 2012-12-17T10:49:18-08:00
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18:56 VanessaE markveidemanis: forum post plz
18:56 VanessaE I need to see the description of it too
18:56 minetest-B1BDFEA <markveidemanis> its not on the forum yet
18:57 minetest-B1BDFEA <markveidemanis> just on my server for testing
18:57 VanessaE ok
18:57 VanessaE well when you're done testing, make a forum post about it and I will examine it.
18:57 kaeza hello!
18:57 minetest-B1BDFEA <markveidemanis> also i have the irc mod (you may have noticed)
18:57 kaeza make
18:57 kaeza mark
18:57 rubenwardy I am guessing minetest-B1BDFEA is a irc mod
18:57 kaeza *
18:57 VanessaE hey kaeza
18:57 VanessaE rubenwardy: yes
18:57 * marktraceur figures it might be time to add the IRC mod to the LPGC server
18:58 minetest-B1BDFEA <markveidemanis> no
18:58 minetest-B1BDFEA <markveidemanis> thats the game-name
18:58 minetest-B1BDFEA <markveidemanis> so, is anyone coming on?
18:58 kaeza rubenwardy: haven't you tried it?
18:58 kaeza markveidemanis: IP?
18:59 minetest-B1BDFEA <markveidemanis> my name, then whois
18:59 minetest-B1BDFEA <markveidemanis> at the top
18:59 kaeza k
18:59 rubenwardy not yet
18:59 minetest-B1BDFEA <markveidemanis> l
18:59 minetest-B1BDFEA <markveidemanis> p
19:00 kaeza rubenwardy: If you're going to test it, for now compile from sources
19:00 kaeza the binaries are a bit outdated
19:00 markveidemanis any one coming on?
19:01 kaeza markveidemanis: one moment please
19:01 minetest-B1BDFEA <markveidemanis> k
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19:02 mauvebic !up mauvebic.strangled.net
19:02 moltenbot Minetest server mauvebic.strangled.net:30000 DOWN
19:03 mauvebic damn, gonna have to DMZ both towers lol
19:06 markveidemanis p
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19:11 rubenwardy http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=57731
19:11 moltenbot rubenwardy's link: [Help] somes problems (Page 1) - Bugs and Problems - Minetest Forums
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19:14 rubenwardy VOTE: Should this contain texture packs as well?
19:14 rubenwardy http://multa.bugs3.com/minetest/forum/index.php
19:14 moltenbot rubenwardy's link: Home - Minetest Mods
19:14 kaeza rubenwardy: strange fella
19:14 kaeza the forum topic I mean
19:14 rubenwardy yeah
19:15 Jordach rubenwardy, yes
19:17 * Jordach fears .jpg files when scanning documents
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19:21 markveidemanis who is working on a mod thats not in the forum
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19:22 markveidemanis hi
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19:23 RagnarLaud Hi minetest-tan
19:23 Minetest-tan Hello RagnarLaud
19:24 VanessaE rubenwardy: why doesn't food mod use vessels for the texture sources? :-)
19:24 markveidemanis Hi minetest-tan
19:24 Minetest-tan Hey markveidemanis
19:24 markveidemanis haha
19:24 markveidemanis is the server up minetest-tan?
19:25 rubenwardy it uses animal materials, because that is what I organially used before vessels
19:25 VanessaE well fix it :-)
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19:25 jordan4ibanez Rocket/firework API works :D now to the dust particle api
19:25 VanessaE jordan4ibanez: new video of the results?
19:25 EqualsRagnar Hi minetest-tan
19:25 Minetest-tan Hello EqualsRagnar
19:26 jordan4ibanez the video will be the same, but now you can make fireworks very easily
19:26 VanessaE jordan4ibanez: I hope to add this mod to my server when it's able to launch controlled displays :-)
19:27 Jordach celeron55, could we possibly have a texturing section, like modding but texture packs and player skins go there
19:27 jordan4ibanez how do i find a group in a chest?
19:28 Jordach (and perhaps requesting textures.)
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19:31 rubenwardy food mod's support.lua is quite clever IMO. It sees what mods are installed, and adds support for them
19:31 jordan4ibanez Awesome
19:31 rubenwardy not as clever as mesecons, of course
19:32 VanessaE so..
19:32 celeron55 offtopic: my ludum dare 25 entry: http://www.ludumdare.com/compo/ludum-dare-25/?action=preview&amp;uid=16208
19:33 VanessaE do I install food or do I reject it because it doesn't use vessels textures ;-)
19:33 celeron55 anyone else participated?
19:33 rubenwardy does it matter?
19:33 VanessaE never heard of it
19:34 Jordach celeron55, i noted the video on youtube
19:34 celeron55 it's odd how little the minetest community and the indie gamedev scene have in common
19:34 VanessaE celeron55: seems pretty random to me :D
19:34 celeron55 i guess it's the libre/non-free separation as always
19:35 celeron55 i often feel like the only person in the world who lives in both of these worlds 8)
19:35 Jordach celeron55, me too
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19:38 * kaeza wants to kill his modem
19:39 rubenwardy Modem?
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19:41 celeron55 Jordach: have you done something recently that is better called "indie gamedev" rather than "minetest stuff"?
19:41 VanessaE mo-dem /mow' dem/ v.  1. What you did when the grasses got too high.
19:41 markveidemanis who will go on my serveer
19:41 Jordach celeron55, does coding small games for iOS count
19:41 Jordach (yes, im paying for dev stuff :3)
19:42 celeron55 Jordach: definitely does
19:42 thexyz like pong?
19:42 markveidemanis who will build on my server
19:42 marktraceur Jordach: You certainly are!
19:42 Jordach thexyz, i have pinball machines and recreate them
19:43 thexyz that should be fun
19:43 thexyz any app$tore links?
19:43 Jordach A) i'd open source them, but the sounds, textures etc are not FOSS
19:43 Jordach B) possible rejection, apple is an asshole to coders
19:43 thexyz be careful when choosing license, some of them are incompatible with appstore
19:44 thexyz remember when VLC was pulled off
19:44 cosarara97 thexyz: but you can double-license your own work without problems
19:44 rubenwardy Appl$euro;
19:44 rubenwardy Appl&euro;
19:45 cosarara97 Appl€
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19:46 kaeza celeron55: can you export some network api from minetest?
19:46 celeron55 kaeza: what kind of
19:46 celeron55 and to where
19:46 kaeza to use from lua
19:46 * Jordach is drawing the minetest skin artwork
19:47 kaeza like for my irc mod
19:47 kaeza the messages are intermixed between those in-game
19:47 thexyz rubenwardy: yeah, better set up compose key
19:47 celeron55 well, dunno; there is the problem of choosing how much to include, and then if less is included, people will start demanding the full extent of luasocket or something
19:48 kaeza hmm... I see your point
19:48 celeron55 a simple tcp socket could be included
19:48 celeron55 maybe
19:48 kaeza that would be enough for most things
19:48 rubenwardy Appl€, Micro$oft, Googl€, £acebook
19:48 kaeza connect/shutdown/recv/send
19:48 celeron55 "most things" = bad re-implementations of common protocols :D
19:48 kaeza lol you're right
19:48 Jordach celeron55, you're right
19:48 john_minetest the python driveover game is epic
19:49 celeron55 we'll have to see about including luasocket in minetest
19:49 celeron55 but not today
19:49 kaeza there's no rush c55
19:49 kaeza this needs to be worked out first
19:49 kaeza we may introduce backdoors if we do the wrong thing
19:50 celeron55 you might want to research this a bit and note if you find some handy solutions
19:50 kaeza hmm
19:50 kaeza btw it was updated to join/part channels on demand
19:51 kaeza celeron55: https://github.com/kaeza/minetest-irc
19:51 moltenbot kaeza's link: kaeza/minetest-irc ? GitHub
19:54 jordan4ibanez could you use the network api to download player's skins from minetest.net?
19:54 jordan4ibanez i mean luasocket
19:54 Zephyrus1497 ....
19:54 Zephyrus1497 ..
19:54 Zephyrus1497 .....
19:54 Zephyrus1497 ...........
19:54 Zephyrus1497 cant think
19:54 marktraceur Zephyrus1497: This is all very fascinating
19:55 Zephyrus1497 how?
19:55 rubenwardy just realised that there is no nav bar in minetest mod reviewer anymore...
19:55 marktraceur Zephyrus1497: Well, I'm curious to see how many times you can send only-dot messages before getting kicked
19:55 Zephyrus1497 ok im gonna stop now
19:55 marktraceur Seems smart to me
19:56 Minetest-tan GIT: PilzAdam (PilzAdam) commited to celeron55/minetest_game: Use infinite stacks in creative mode and make the hand break anything 61e60724f6 2012-12-17T11:27:01-08:00
19:56 Jordach PilzAdam, YOU FAIL
19:56 jordan4ibanez I wonder if i can make a mod which players can have their skins automatically downloaded from a special list of servers
19:56 Jordach how does one open doors
19:56 jordan4ibanez when they join a server that is
19:56 PilzAdam Jordach, hand breaks everything after 0.5 sec.
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19:58 celeron55 jordan4ibanez: that is not supported, and requires additions to the engine in order to be
19:58 jordan4ibanez Damn
19:59 kaeza1 jordan4ibanez: nice idea
19:59 kaeza1 about DL'ing skins
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19:59 jordan4ibanez thanks, celeron55, you could have minetest.net work as a skin directory, and the account player's use in the forum contains their skin or something
20:00 rubenwardy http://multa.bugs3.com/minetest/avatar/ uses punbb, just needs a downloader client
20:00 moltenbot rubenwardy's link: Welcome - Minetest Characters
20:00 rubenwardy punbb is the forum celeron55 uses
20:01 kaeza1 rubenwardy: Hey! It's that GloopMaster?
20:01 rubenwardy so there is the server side scripts, just needs a download and updating scripts
20:02 rubenwardy what>
20:02 rubenwardy ?
20:02 kaeza1 the 9th one in the 2d gallery?
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20:03 rubenwardy yes it is
20:03 RagnarLaud Hi rub
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20:04 RagnarLaud Rub
20:04 * marktraceur expects that we'll soon be singing "Rubenwardy" to the tune of Ernie's "Rubber Ducky"
20:04 RagnarLaud Hey rubenwardy
20:05 RagnarLaud Yeah
20:05 RagnarLaud Hey
20:05 RagnarLaud Mark
20:05 RagnarLaud Do you have some duck tape?
20:07 rubenwardy (8:04:42 PM) ***marktraceur expects that we'll soon be singing "Rubenwardy" to the tune of Ernie's "Rubber Ducky"
20:07 rubenwardy Complement or Joke?
20:08 jordan4ibanez I am happy to say that fireworks now work correctly, and i am finishing up the last touches on the api
20:08 marktraceur rubenwardy: Both!
20:09 kaeza1 jordan4ibanez: link plz
20:09 marktraceur Maybe a tad creepy, with the implications that I want to see you at bath time. But even so.
20:10 mauvebic duck tape, bath time....*walks back out*
20:10 mauvebic lol
20:10 * marktraceur totally has duct tape
20:10 marktraceur But too late, Ragnar left
20:10 Jordach mauvebic, use /me walks back out
20:10 * Jordach walks back out
20:10 * mauvebic thats how they do it
20:11 * mauvebic invades Gaul
20:11 * marktraceur pats mauvebic on the head
20:11 marktraceur Adorable :P
20:11 * kaeza1 is amused
20:11 Jordach mauvebic, its third person so thats should be knowsx
20:11 Jordach -x
20:12 * mauvebic frequently talks about himself in the third person
20:12 * kaeza1 thinks mauvebic doesn't yet get the grasp at the /me command
20:13 rubenwardy (8:11:06 PM) ***marktraceur pats mauvebic on the head
20:13 rubenwardy Simpleton head pat
20:14 * mauvebic eats rubenwardy with fava beans and a fine chianti
20:14 * Jordach pokes VanessaE
20:14 Jordach http://i.imgur.com/a6zpJ.png
20:14 Jordach there, some nice cel shaded art from gimp
20:14 kaeza1 Jordach: nice!
20:14 rubenwardy even as the creator of the Food Mod, i have no idea what fava beans and chianti's are
20:15 mauvebic me neither
20:15 mauvebic well wine yes
20:15 Minetest-tan GIT: PilzAdam (PilzAdam) commited to celeron55/minetest_game: Fix incorrect slabs to full block transformation by changing the modname to 'stairs' for all stairs and slabs 95cbfc50d8 2012-12-17T12:03:25-08:00
20:15 mauvebic beans no
20:16 rubenwardy I am terrible at writing commit messages
20:16 PilzAdam Jordach, add an alias for the stairs and slabs of your christmas mod
20:17 mauvebic you should read my docs lol youll feel better
20:17 Jordach please, not now
20:18 rubenwardy hmmm, https://github.com/rubenwardy/minetest-forum/commit/1bdaef151bca6715cd8676a5bbfa2dba836799e6
20:18 moltenbot rubenwardy's link: Alot of small changes ?  1bdaef1 ? rubenwardy/minetest-forum ? GitHub
20:18 PilzAdam Jordach, the commit above somehow breaks your stairs
20:18 PilzAdam an alias should work
20:19 thexyz rubenwardy: http://i.imgur.com/KbpGf.jpg
20:19 marktraceur thexyz: Wonderful.
20:19 mauvebic OT, anyone know if a crested lark is a bird?
20:20 thexyz marktraceur: sure, have you seen http://hyperboleandahalf.blogspot.ru/2010/04/alot-is-better-than-you-at-everything.html ?
20:20 moltenbot thexyz's link: Hyperbole and a Half: The Alot is Better Than You at Everything
20:20 rubenwardy Can someone tell him how to hide the console: http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=57739#p57739
20:20 moltenbot rubenwardy's link: [Help] somes problems (Page 1) - Bugs and Problems - Minetest Forums
20:21 Jordach rubenwardy, it would need recompiling
20:21 * john_minetest is back
20:22 thexyz rubenwardy: lolwtf, is he trying to steal minetest?
20:22 kaeza1 rubenwardy: done!
20:22 kaeza1 Is that enough?
20:23 rubenwardy yes, of course
20:23 rubenwardy simpletons
20:24 marktraceur Of course, thexyz! I read about alots a lot.
20:24 rubenwardy <thexyz> rubenwardy: lolwtf, is he trying to steal minetest?
20:24 rubenwardy it would seem so, lol
20:24 jordan4ibanez who's trying to steal minetest? lol
20:25 rubenwardy :22:09 PM) thexyz: rubenwardy: lolwtf, is he trying to steal minetest?
20:25 rubenwardy http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=57739#p57739
20:25 moltenbot rubenwardy's link: [Help] somes problems (Page 1) - Bugs and Problems - Minetest Forums
20:25 john_minetest !define minetest
20:25 moltenbot no definition found, try to use 'thinking'
20:25 john_minetest what's minetest?
20:25 rubenwardy !define your mum
20:25 moltenbot http://ddg.dg: you definition: the one or ones being addressed —used as the pronoun of the second person singular or plural in any grammatical relation except that of a possessive.
20:25 PilzAdam jordan4ibanez, have you seen this? https://github.com/celeron55/minetest_game/commit/61e60724f6b0875d14dc7f185d914702eddb806e
20:25 moltenbot PilzAdam's link: Use infinite stacks in creative mode and make the hand break anything ?  61e6072 ? celeron55/minetest_game ? GitHub
20:25 PilzAdam I patched the engine so this works without a hack
20:26 jordan4ibanez f
20:26 mauvebic sounds nice
20:26 jordan4ibanez Finally!
20:26 mauvebic though dont break so fast that 3 nodes go when you want 1 to go ;)
20:26 PilzAdam its basically the MC creative mode
20:27 kaeza1 rubenwardy: what makes you mad about those posts is not that people omplain about it; it's that they don't accept a simple 'no'
20:27 PilzAdam mauvebic, its as fast as the mese pick
20:27 mauvebic cool
20:28 PilzAdam you can still open doors
20:28 jordan4ibanez Now if only we could make it so the player's hand section of their skin was the default ":" item xD
20:28 jordan4ibanez I'll have to try this in a bit
20:28 jordan4ibanez nice work pilzadam
20:28 mauvebic cant we attach 1/10 scale entity of the payer's wielding item?
20:29 mauvebic *wielded item
20:29 jordan4ibanez Wouldn't that be hackyish?
20:29 mauvebic for now
20:29 PilzAdam ask Taoki
20:30 mauvebic otherwise how do you include each node into the player texture?
20:30 mauvebic seems more expensive
20:31 PilzAdam texture1.png^texture2.png
20:31 PilzAdam or [combine:
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20:31 PilzAdam ([combine is the way it should be)
20:31 PilzAdam (see signs mod)
20:31 mauvebic if the player is 3d, it should show the wielded item in 3d methinks
20:31 mauvebic ideally in the real shape
20:31 thexyz yeah, signs mod is totally awesome
20:32 PilzAdam isnt that by you?
20:32 KikaRz we need get 3D block on the player's hand
20:32 rubenwardy (8:27:21 PM) kaeza1: rubenwardy: what makes you mad about those posts is not that people omplain about it; it's that they don't accept a simple 'no'
20:32 rubenwardy YEAH
20:32 rubenwardy sorry, yeah
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20:32 thexyz PilzAdam: yep
20:32 jojoa1997 vanessa idle?
20:32 KikaRz PilzAdam
20:32 KikaRz How i make the cocoa tree to grow up?
20:33 PilzAdam place the sapling in the light on grass
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20:35 kaeza1 good night :)
20:35 jordan4ibanez why can't i make a double slab in the latest version?
20:35 kaeza1 oops
20:36 kaeza1 wrong channel
20:36 PilzAdam jordan4ibanez, seems to be a bug in creative
20:36 kaeza1 sorry
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20:36 jojoa1997 Is VanessaE idle?
20:41 kaeza1 OldCoder: you here?
20:42 Zephyrus1497 Wurcarivae
20:42 Zephyrus1497 DOnt kno wat that means read it online
20:43 jojoa1997 "[15:36] <PilzAdam> jordan4ibanez, seems to be a bug in creative" i heard that it was changed to be that way purposely
20:43 jordan4ibanez No, it seems to work in survival
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20:44 kaeza1 jordan4ibanez: can you post the link to your fireworks?
20:44 jordan4ibanez Not yet, i'm putting the finishing touches
20:45 kaeza1 oh ok
20:45 PilzAdam jordan4ibanez, I dont have any idea why it doesnt work in creative; If anyone can fix the bug I will bring the fix upstream
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20:46 PilzAdam gtg; bye
20:46 jojoa1997 i like it blocks are meant to be blocks and slabs slabs
20:48 marktraceur jojoa1997: It would be weird if a block suddenly became a slab
20:48 marktraceur I mean, worst thing being that it would cause a huge discontinuity in the world
20:49 jojoa1997 i like it cause when i place slabs i dont need anything underneath anymore
20:50 marktraceur I've actually fallen through a slab before
20:50 marktraceur Don't know how it happened
20:51 OldCoder Hi
20:52 OldCoder kaeza1, I am now
20:52 kaeza1 o hai OldCoder!
20:52 * OldCoder nods
20:52 kaeza1 fixed the autoconnect thing on IRC
20:52 kaeza1 seems to work now
20:53 kaeza1 do you still have problems with it?
20:53 KikaRz I'm bored.
20:53 kaeza1 hey KikaRz! Y U Bored?
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20:54 thexyz !g when i'm bored
20:54 Minetest-tan thexyz: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wx6_MWVHZ4g
20:54 KikaRz !g when the bot ignores me
20:54 Minetest-tan KikaRz: Nope!
20:55 VanessaE OldCoder: msg..
20:55 kaeza1 lol
20:55 VanessaE also, I'm back
20:55 kaeza1 wb V
20:55 VanessaE hey hey.
20:55 kaeza1 any updates to plantlife?
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21:00 VanessaE nope, not recently.
21:00 VanessaE plantlife seems to be stable
21:01 VanessaE wait
21:01 VanessaE need to push my latest testing code
21:01 VanessaE done.
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21:03 KikaRz lol
21:03 VanessaE kaeza1: pull when convenient.  I think Plantlife is stable.  I have seen no issues with it.
21:03 kaeza1 ...
21:03 VanessaE OldCoder: ditto ^^^
21:03 kaeza1 k
21:04 john_minetest what's plantlife?
21:04 OldCoder Hi
21:04 OldCoder john_minetest, replaces three older plant mods
21:04 iqualfragile hi
21:04 VanessaE john_minetest: a plats growing library and modpack, which contains the current flowers, jungle grass, and poison ivy
21:05 VanessaE plants*
21:05 john_minetest nice
21:05 john_minetest thexyz: i know this video with an other song and the title "yoko is perfect"
21:06 thexyz john_minetest: this is the original one
21:06 kaeza1 VanessaE: cloning
21:07 kaeza1 now testing :)
21:09 * Jordach is heading off to bed now
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21:22 mauvebic !up mauvebic.strangled.net
21:22 moltenbot Minetest server mauvebic.strangled.net:30000 UP
21:22 FreeFull !up somethingriajfi
21:22 moltenbot Minetest server somethingriajfi:30000 DOWN
21:22 FreeFull !up google.com
21:22 moltenbot Minetest server google.com:30000 DOWN
21:22 mauvebic do not abuse the bot
21:22 FreeFull Ok
21:22 mauvebic ty
21:23 Uberi hmm, does this work on other ports as well?
21:23 mauvebic yep just add it after a space
21:23 iqualfragile yeah, just add a portnumber
21:23 iqualfragile but its just for minetest-servers
21:23 Uberi !up api.minetest.net:80
21:23 moltenbot Minetest server api.minetest.net:80:30000 DOWN
21:24 Uberi oh OK thanks
21:24 iqualfragile !up api.minetest.net 80
21:24 moltenbot Minetest server api.minetest.net:80 DOWN
21:24 mauvebic im trying a modified ambience on my local, hopefully load times are better
21:25 FreeFull !up c55.me
21:25 moltenbot Minetest server c55.me:30000 DOWN
21:25 FreeFull I miss c55.me ):
21:25 mauvebic i think it had glass floors over lakes? yeah was pretty cool
21:26 Uberi man debugging microcontrollers is a pain in the butt
21:27 mauvebic wats the problem w them?
21:27 iqualfragile FreeFull: you should use !ping for that usecase
21:27 iqualfragile !ping c55.me
21:27 moltenbot 64 bytes from 188.64.1.157: icmp_req=1 ttl=55 time=51.8 ms
21:27 Uberi I found a bug in the microcontrollers with double updating and am trying to fix them now
21:28 Uberi it's breaking my animated display
21:28 FreeFull iqualfragile: there used to be a minetest server on c55.me
21:28 FreeFull I had a cool underwater mansion
21:28 iqualfragile mauvebic: no need for that, as loading stuff from the server will soon be using some cool curl-suff wich makes everything alot faster as it actualy uses the bandwidth the server has
21:28 iqualfragile FreeFull: oh, did not know that
21:29 iqualfragile i should use an old pc of mine to run an server
21:29 Uberi iqualfragile: is that remote_media thing going to add on-demand resource loading?
21:29 iqualfragile pentium 1 900 mhz
21:29 Uberi :O
21:29 FreeFull Minetest's map generation got better in performance recently
21:29 iqualfragile not shure bout that
21:29 FreeFull I miss the old terrain though
21:29 iqualfragile but it allows you to specify a way to get your recources
21:29 Uberi FreeFull: yep EaseCurve was improved
21:29 mauvebic iqualfragile you mean loading my map over the net wont take 5-10mins?
21:29 kaeza1 a pentium at 900MHz? where?
21:30 FreeFull The Old old terrain
21:30 iqualfragile mauvebic: jup
21:30 FreeFull Which used some inefficient algorithm or something but was beautiful
21:30 iqualfragile or… well, at least loading textures and songs and moddels and stuff
21:30 mauvebic well reducing the size of the media isn't the only thing i did
21:30 mauvebic at least lol
21:31 mauvebic alot of the sound clips repeat themselves, which you can accomplish with a trimmed version and a loop flag
21:31 mauvebic bandwith is bandwith lol
21:31 iqualfragile oh… ok, who did that?
21:31 Uberi mauvebic: are you going to publish your changes? get them merged in the main mod perhaps?
21:31 iqualfragile please publish a pull-request
21:31 mauvebic already did
21:31 marktraceur sumanah: mauvebic Actually, bandwidth is bandwidth.
21:31 Uberi ah neat
21:32 mauvebic in my modpack, in the OT thread
21:32 marktraceur Er, not sumanah. Just mauvebic.
21:32 mauvebic sorry
21:32 * mauvebic is french
21:32 marktraceur mauvebic: Nobody's perfect :)
21:32 mauvebic french cdn not french french
21:32 marktraceur Seriously though, "ne pas"? What's up with that.
21:33 * marktraceur is working on a lingustic stand-up routine
21:33 mauvebic well anyways oldcoder asked me to look for economies in CPU and bandwith so that i can do lol
21:34 mauvebic another thing i noticed is ambience plays the sounds directly to the user rather than positionally in relation to a type of node
21:34 mauvebic when i approach lava the sound abruptly changes from birds to rumbling earth lol
21:35 mauvebic so im gonna put some more work in and see if i cant achieve some balance between different areas
21:36 kizeren Hi HI
21:36 mauvebic howdy
21:36 mauvebic today's special is roasted pheasant (sp?)
21:36 kizeren Hm....never had pheasant.
21:36 kizeren Any good?
21:37 mauvebic yummy
21:37 * marktraceur wonders if OldCoder should discuss that with VanessaE thexyz sfan5|OFF etc.
21:37 VanessaE seems okay to me.
21:37 Uberi pheasant is delicious
21:38 mauvebic yeah he'\s a nice guy
21:38 VanessaE mauvebic: I hate your website btw :-)  you need download links for all your old mods :-)
21:38 VanessaE and not some mega-modpack :-)
21:38 jojoa1997 i agree
21:38 kaeza1 agreed
21:38 kaeza1 hmmm
21:38 mauvebic half the old mods dont seem to work as well as they did
21:38 VanessaE ohhh
21:38 mauvebic as often happens when APIs evolve
21:38 VanessaE well fix them and link to them :-)
21:38 jojoa1997 still put the links in the forum
21:39 mauvebic ok
21:40 mauvebic first you want to ban my mods because of the ND, now im supposed to put them back?
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21:40 mauvebic i dont mind either way, id just like a final decision
21:41 VanessaE don't make then -ND and no one will complain, but you forget that people still want to *use* them even if they won't modify them
21:41 Uberi what's wrong with ND?
21:41 Uberi it only applies if you republish it
21:42 mauvebic well you can understand why i wouldn't want to document my mods in a thread that might be removed, lost work and all
21:42 Uberi if you modify it on your own computer, you are free to use it, but not publish your derivative work
21:42 VanessaE mauvebic: no one's gonna delete threads
21:42 VanessaE but such mods probably will not make it to Mod Releases.
21:42 mauvebic then what's the point?
21:42 mauvebic if i have to play these games?
21:43 * VanessaE sighs
21:43 mauvebic i was told 3 months ago to chose whatever license i like, it was either sfan5 or thexyz, but it came from you guys
21:43 VanessaE post the mods, link to them, just don't expect them to be moved to Releases.
21:44 VanessaE well sure, 3 months ago you weren't talking about -ND
21:44 VanessaE (that I can remember)
21:44 Uberi ND isn't allowed in the Mod Releases forum?
21:44 VanessaE Uberi: generally no.
21:44 mauvebic no i was talking about people ripping off my mods while the threads weren't getting moved and i wasn't using ND then
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21:44 VanessaE mauvebic: you were moving way too fast - practically a new mod every day
21:44 VanessaE maybe there just wasn't enough time to move them?
21:45 VanessaE as I recall I wasn't a forum mod at the time those mods were being posted.
21:45 mauvebic im talking about waiting weeks, not hours or days
21:45 mauvebic im not blaming you personally
21:45 mauvebic im just saying thats what happenned
21:45 VanessaE I know..
21:45 VanessaE but remember how much trouble I had keeping up in HDX? :-)
21:45 Uberi VanessaE: that seems pretty strange, would you happen to know why?
21:45 mauvebic problem remains MM2 has two ND mods, so technically that thread shouldn't be in releases either
21:46 VanessaE Uberi: I don't remember the exact reasons so I can't quote, but my personal belief is that open source should be open to modification and redistribution.  If you don't want modify-and-redistribute, what's the point of opening the source?
21:46 VanessaE may as well just compile your mods then.
21:48 Uberi VanessaE: oh, OK, I just didn't know the Mod Releases forum was for open source mods only
21:48 mauvebic all i know is this, i busted my ass to make multinode different the first time around
21:48 mauvebic and it took half a day for WE to get spheres and cylinders too
21:48 mauvebic having known, i wouldn't have bothered
21:48 Uberi yeah I agree that ND isn't in the spirit of open source
21:48 mauvebic and neither would have it
21:49 VanessaE Uberi: originally it wasn't that way, but it's gravitating toward it now.
21:49 jojoa1997 at least post the spotlight mod
21:49 jojoa1997 cause i want it
21:49 Uberi mauvebic: I coded the spheres code myself, it was based off of a feature suggestion by a WE user
21:49 mauvebic doesnt square with what temperest told me at the time
21:49 Uberi mauvebic: I am temperest...
21:49 mauvebic different nicks? odd lol
21:50 Uberi :P
21:50 mauvebic point is - if shits gonna get copied the same day, why would a guy like me bother at all?
21:50 jojoa1997 incognito mode using different nicks
21:50 VanessaE because that's how we learn?
21:50 mauvebic opensource - just because you can doesn't mean you always should
21:51 Uberi mauvebic: I didn't mean to copy your features, but it was a natural thing to add in a few primitives, you see
21:51 jojoa1997 then you can build off of them
21:51 VanessaE mauvebic: if flowers hadn't been WTFPL, I wouldn't have been able to write junglegrass or poison ivy, plantlife wouldn't exist, and homedecor would have been nothing but a wish
21:51 mauvebic i guess i just dont work that way
21:51 mauvebic im used to rewriting things from scratch more than once or twice
21:51 Uberi mauvebic: in any case I apologize if it made you feel ripped off
21:52 mauvebic like i told OldCoder, ND isn't permanent
21:52 mauvebic its there, to give me a month or so to be unique
21:52 mauvebic then ill drop it
21:52 jojoa1997 could you split it up at your homepage at least
21:52 mauvebic cant really
21:53 mauvebic its a modpack, they dont work seperately
21:53 VanessaE mauvebic: sometimes rewriting a mod is what works best, but not always
21:53 VanessaE the whole point of keeping the code is to build a library of stuff you can use and re-use
21:53 mauvebic microsoft hacks different bits together and look what that gives
21:53 VanessaE yeah well that's microsoft.
21:53 leo_rockway forcing rewrites of things that can be reused is not optimal
21:53 jojoa1997 an amaising pc
21:54 mauvebic id like to point out ND doesn't stop people from using the mod as a dependency or any of its functions
21:54 jojoa1997 amazing
21:54 VanessaE mauvebic: it does if you don't link to the files to download
21:54 Uberi mauvebic: Ambience-serverlite is much faster to load, works great
21:55 mauvebic when it comes to learning programming, the clipboard isn't always your friend
21:55 VanessaE fat lotta good it does to have abd release a mod if you won't link to the files so a person can actually download and use them.
21:55 mauvebic thanks Uberi
21:55 VanessaE and*
21:55 mauvebic thats WTFPL
21:55 mauvebic i wont link to them on the forums because you dont like ND
21:55 kizeren May I ask what ND is ?
21:55 mauvebic even linux can coexist with proprietary software, so whats you're problem?
21:56 leo_rockway kizeren: no derivatives
21:56 VanessaE NoDerivatives
21:56 kizeren Ahh thanks
21:56 jojoa1997 ?
21:56 kizeren I was thinking that but just had to ask.
21:56 VanessaE CreativeCommons-AttributionRequired-ShareAlike-NoDerivitives -> cc-by-sa-nd
21:56 mauvebic creative commons wouldn't bother if they didn't think there was merit
21:56 jordan4ibanez http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=4083
21:56 moltenbot jordan4ibanez's link: [1.0 - Beta 2] FireWorks Delux - Now With API (Page 1) - Modding General - Minetest Forums
21:57 mauvebic but creative commons is about protecting art
21:57 Uberi some might argue code is a form of art
21:57 mauvebic not everyone thinks of programming as a public utility
21:57 leo_rockway mauvebic: there was actually debate to get rid of NC and ND for 4.0
21:57 kaeza1 o hai leo_rockway
21:58 jordan4ibanez Now there is an api for rockets and fireworks
21:58 kaeza1 jordan4ibanez: thanks!
21:58 jordan4ibanez Yep
21:58 mauvebic they can get rid of it but it wont invalidate whats already out there
21:58 jojoa1997 what is link to rockets
21:58 kizeren OldCoder: Can I get your textures and ambience now?  Same that is on calin.sytes.net 30000 ?
21:58 leo_rockway kaeza1: \ø
21:58 jojoa1997 what is link to rockets
21:58 jordan4ibanez Also: Firework boxes work like chests, and you put the rockets in, and then they launch them with mesecon input.
21:58 jin_xi playing with RBAs treegen: http://i.imgur.com/dQclB.jpg
21:58 jin_xi this took a while...
21:58 Uberi jojoa1997: see jordan4ibanez's link
21:59 VanessaE jin_xi: WOW!!
21:59 jordan4ibanez I made it so it reads left to right, so you can fire off a very very complex fireworks show
21:59 john_minetest FireWorks Delux rockets look cool as ground-to-air rockets with the ufo mod.
21:59 Uberi holy moly
21:59 Uberi RBA made a treegen?
21:59 VanessaE <Abe> looks like a banyan tree
21:59 VanessaE Uberi: L-Systems fractal-based
21:59 VanessaE entirely in Lua
22:00 jojoa1997 is there a mod?
22:00 leo_rockway I like that tree
22:00 jin_xi yes, read the log, he posted a link yesterday
22:00 Uberi wowee
22:00 jordan4ibanez That tree is crazy
22:00 jordan4ibanez does it take long to generate?
22:00 VanessaE that's *beautiful
22:00 jojoa1997 i don't stay signed in all the time
22:00 jin_xi i feared my laptop was gonna melt
22:01 VanessaE jin_xi: make the trunk taller and thicker and call it Home Tree :-)
22:01 VanessaE (Avatar reference)
22:01 Uberi :O
22:01 jojoa1997 not going on vanessa's server then
22:01 jin_xi jojoa1997: its more like a proof of concept
22:01 Uberi hey jordan4ibanez, those NPCs of yours are pretty neat
22:01 VanessaE I have the mod but definitely not the axiom for that tree :-)
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22:01 jin_xi if something like that is going to be used it will need to be done using c++
22:02 VanessaE jin_xi: RealBadAngel is coding it in C++
22:02 jordan4ibanez Thank you
22:02 VanessaE we need to bug c55 to get it merged in when it's done.
22:02 kaeza Uberi: he also made this wallpaper: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/100008207/red_cliffs_wallpaper.png
22:02 jojoa1997 I hope it goes into the engine with 0.4.5 or whatever the next one is
22:02 Uberi whoa did someone make lens flares in MT?
22:02 VanessaE celeron55: you seeing this?  don't sit on this, get that code merged.
22:03 VanessaE Uberi: gimp.
22:03 Uberi :/
22:03 jin_xi VanessaE: http://pastebin.com/xYeXya8z
22:03 VanessaE OldCoder: he's opped already, jeez :-)
22:03 moltenbot jin_xi's link: [Lua] giant tree, takes looooong - Pastebin.com
22:03 kaeza Uberi: a bit gimped, yes, but the trees are from his treegen
22:03 marktraceur :)
22:03 VanessaE jin_xi: that's the axiom?  wow, a lot smaller than I expected.
22:03 marktraceur VanessaE: We were trying to make it togglable, but no dice
22:03 jin_xi just put that at the end of treegens init.lua and get an experimental spawner
22:04 VanessaE kaeza: that screenshot/wallpaper reminds me:  HDX got a new menu splash for the game :-)
22:04 jin_xi it heayily recurses
22:04 jin_xi it will take a while, only spawn one tree and be patient...
22:04 kaeza VanessaE: wow
22:04 Uberi VanessaE: is there a pull request yet?
22:04 VanessaE https://raw.github.com/VanessaE/512px-realistic-textures/master/Vanessa_512HD/menulogo.png
22:04 kaeza gonna check it :)
22:05 VanessaE Uberi: not yet.  In a couple of days if I understand RBA right
22:05 kaeza VanessaE: +((1^32)-1) internetz
22:05 kaeza 2*
22:05 marktraceur kaeza: +0 internetz? :P
22:05 kaeza +((2^32)-1) internetz *
22:06 kaeza :P
22:06 jin_xi another view: http://i.imgur.com/ZagEy.jpg
22:06 Uberi ah OK thanks
22:06 kaeza I failed
22:06 kaeza :(
22:07 marktraceur kaeza: And for you, a +INT_MIN.
22:07 Uberi that is one sweet tree
22:07 kaeza :(
22:07 kaeza marktraceur: it's MIN_INT
22:07 kaeza ...
22:07 kaeza gotta study again C
22:07 VanessaE jin_xi: that is just seriously epic
22:07 Uberi #include <limits.h>
22:08 * kaeza is now checking limits.h
22:08 * marktraceur looked it up on enwiki, so
22:08 kaeza I failed again
22:08 kaeza -INT_MIN to me :(
22:08 * jin_xi wishes he had a better machine
22:09 marktraceur kaeza: No, +INT_MIN
22:09 marktraceur kaeza: INT_MIN is negative, so subtracting it would be good for you
22:09 kaeza damn it! fail again
22:09 kaeza according to jordan4ibanez, "-1 + -1 = 2"
22:09 marktraceur kaeza: However, subtracting INT_MAX would actually be subtracting INT_MIN if I understand it correctly
22:09 leo_rockway jin_xi: /me wishes he had a machine.
22:10 * leo_rockway 's laptop died last week.
22:10 marktraceur Then again, I could be wrong. I also have been out of C for a while.
22:10 kaeza !c 1
22:10 Minetest-tan 1
22:10 kaeza !c INT_MIN
22:10 Minetest-tan Sorry, no result.
22:10 kaeza does not understant consts
22:10 kaeza !c pi
22:10 Minetest-tan 3.14159265
22:11 kaeza yes it does
22:11 marktraceur kaeza: Is your computer broken?
22:11 Uberi just not the ones you want :P
22:11 OldCoder VanessaE, C55 didn't give me the flags to make it permanent. I was testing that. I've PMd C55 and I hope he responds.
22:11 VanessaE OldCoder:  right, gotchya.
22:11 kaeza marktraceur: y?
22:11 jin_xi !c e^(i*pi)
22:11 Minetest-tan -1
22:11 marktraceur kaeza: Because you're using someone else's computer to do your computer's work
22:11 marktraceur kaeza: And anyway, it depends on your processor. So the bot's answer might not be useful to you.
22:12 kaeza I'm too lazy to press Alt+Tab :P
22:12 Uberi whoa it supports imaginary numbers
22:12 marktraceur Wow, impressive.
22:12 Uberi !c 4i^2
22:12 Minetest-tan -4
22:13 Uberi now that is neat
22:13 jin_xi !g e^(i*pi)
22:13 Minetest-tan jin_xi: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euler's_identity
22:13 marktraceur Please stop abusing the bots.
22:13 * marktraceur says, with his brand new @ sign
22:13 kaeza does it support fibbonacci?
22:13 Uberi what calculation engine is Minetest-tan using?
22:13 john_minetest !c 5!
22:13 Minetest-tan 120
22:13 marktraceur kaeza: What on earth would that mean?
22:14 Uberi kaeza: you mean factorial?
22:14 jin_xi recursion you mean?
22:14 kaeza that
22:14 kaeza sorry
22:14 kaeza I suck at math and algorithms in general
22:14 john_minetest i bet there is a formula that is so complicated that only a super computer can solve it... or Minetest-tan!
22:15 marktraceur kaeza: Luckily, some server across the world can do your math for you. Good thing you have a computer, eh? Shame it doesn't have calculation abilities.
22:15 kaeza like the 10000000000000th digit of pi?
22:15 john_minetest grid computing... oh yeah!
22:15 Uberi marktraceur: what if he's running an IRC client on his abacus?
22:15 * marktraceur suspects that grid computing for 6th grade math is a bit over-engineered
22:16 marktraceur Uberi: Then he has bigger problems than alt-tab, his device can't hold Unicode characters!
22:16 Uberi marktraceur: sure you can, just use UTF-8!
22:16 Uberi and get a bigger abacus
22:17 Uberi and duct tape a computer to it
22:17 john_minetest playing quake on an abacus: http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20040304
22:17 kaeza hey!
22:17 * Uberi imagines a computer driving a robotic arm that manipulates an abacus
22:17 moltenbot john_minetest's link: UserFriendly Strip Comments
22:18 * Uberi imagines a camera mounted to the computer that performs computer vision to determine the abacus result
22:19 john_minetest the abacus comic thing begins here and goes a few days (click on "next" to get to the next one): http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20040302
22:19 moltenbot john_minetest's link: UserFriendly Strip Comments
22:20 kaeza Uberi: http://answeritsa.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/first-smartphone.jpg?w=538
22:21 * OldCoder is going out to buy juice and cola. Back in a few minutes.
22:21 marktraceur kaeza: Even back then, they didn't have full keyboards. Sadness.
22:21 kaeza do you imagine the women doing duckfaces with that thing?
22:22 Uberi :O
22:22 kaeza lol
22:22 leo_rockway kaeza: that's actually the first thing that popped to my mind. On the mirror at the bathroom.
22:22 kaeza lol
22:23 VanessaE back
22:23 kaeza wb
22:24 VanessaE thanks
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22:26 john_minetest jordan4ibanez, where can i find the soundpack you used in this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JslOWGHJCQ&amp;feature=youtu.be
22:26 moltenbot john_minetest's link: Minetest - Fireworks [1.0] - YouTube
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22:27 kaeza1 also: the future of handhelds: http://camposcarles.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/ipad3_humor.jpg?w=595
22:28 marktraceur kaeza: Soon it will be in parks, and children will use it to play chess together
22:28 VanessaE kaeza1: also known as Microsoft Surface :-)
22:29 john_minetest the past: http://todamax.kicks-ass.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/demotivational-posters-history-windows8-aol.jpg
22:29 VanessaE they were going after something very much like that actually
22:29 marktraceur Is that what that shitty thing is? A big ol' touch screen?
22:29 VanessaE and about that size too if I recall correctly
22:29 VanessaE marktraceur: I think so. lame, no?
22:29 marktraceur Ha, /me remembers the AOL kids only thing
22:30 marktraceur VanessaE: Geez. I don't get that.
22:30 jojoa1997 i would only be cool if you had a mouse
22:30 john_minetest I was 1 year old when this AOL thing came out :D
22:30 john_minetest lol
22:31 VanessaE AOL aka America Offline aka AO-Hell
22:31 jojoa1997 my server home is not
22:31 jojoa1997 ao
22:33 john_minetest i can remember the time when in every shop there was a box of AOL CDs with "8000 hours of free internet". It got more and more hours over time...
22:33 iqualfragile https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wta7K7hG__I what server is this on?
22:33 moltenbot iqualfragile's link: Minetest (LATEST) - So many new things!! - YouTube
22:35 kaeza1 back
22:35 kaeza1 VanessaE: lol
22:36 kaeza1 john_minetest: I only use Windows for gaming. and didn't switch to 8
22:36 john_minetest kaeza1: i have got a win laptop. last time i used it was 2 month ago for playing portal 2.
22:37 john_minetest kaeza1: windows 7
22:37 kaeza1 yup
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22:37 kaeza1 I mostly use Wine for windows apps now
22:37 kaeza1 s/apps/applications/
22:38 john_minetest I don't use wine any more. only used it for Ace of Spades, but it is on steam now and costs 8$ or so.
22:38 kaeza1 when some game doesn't work on Wine, I use Win 7
22:38 kaeza1 has steam for linux been launched?
22:39 Uberi kaeza1: open beta this week
22:39 kaeza1 hmmm
22:39 Uberi kaeza1: also, it's $10 :)
22:39 kaeza1 I prefer desura for now
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22:39 NakedFury $9.99 Ace of Spades
22:39 kaeza1 Isn't AOS fre?
22:39 kaeza1 free*
22:40 marktraceur kaeza1: No longer!
22:40 john_minetest It was free (beer). But now it is 10$ on steam
22:40 marktraceur Or rather, it never was
22:40 john_minetest never was free/libre.
22:40 kaeza1 I never actually played
22:40 kaeza1 AOS
22:40 marktraceur There was a free one that got posted here
22:40 kaeza1 couldn't get it to work either in Wine or native Windows
22:40 marktraceur https://github.com/iamgreaser/buldthensnip
22:40 moltenbot marktraceur's link: iamgreaser/buldthensnip ? GitHub
22:40 Uberi the beta is still available, though
22:41 Uberi it's free, of course
22:41 john_minetest marktraceur: It didn't work for me
22:41 Uberi but not open source
22:42 kaeza1 I still like minetest though
22:42 marktraceur And not free
22:42 john_minetest there is a AOS game for minetest afaik
22:42 Uberi marktraceur: it is free, in the gratis sense
22:42 john_minetest free beer
22:42 kaeza1 It would be good if someone provided a "Free for All" PVP server
22:42 Uberi john_minetest: yeah I was working on that but didn't have time for it recently
22:42 kaeza1 with no ptotection bullshit
22:43 kaeza1 protection*
22:43 Uberi kaeza1: I want a game that you can just start up and start playing, and AoS is great at this :)
22:43 kaeza1 john_minetest: link plz
22:43 Uberi no need to level, no need to build characters, etc.
22:43 kaeza1 Uberi: yes I know what you mean
22:44 kaeza1 in CS 1.6 I just type 1 (Terrorists) and 2 (Leet Crew) and ready!
22:44 marktraceur That's funny, I want exactly the opposite. But haven't found one.
22:44 iqualfragile thexyz: again: please split up your mods into different repositorys
22:44 Uberi well to each our own, I guess
22:44 kaeza1 most of tmy friends take half an hour to select
22:44 john_minetest kaeza1: link to what?
22:45 Uberi start game, have some fun for whatever amount of free time you've managed to scrounge, close game
22:45 kaeza1 john_minetest: you said there was an AOS inspired game for MT
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22:45 john_minetest http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=1326
22:45 moltenbot john_minetest's link: Ace of Minetest. GAMEMODE FOR LATEST BUILD. (Page 1) - Modding General - Minetest Forums
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22:45 kaeza1 john_minetest: thx :)
22:46 NekoGloop ah, snickerdoodles. :3
22:46 kaeza1 hello Neko :3
22:46 Uberi neato
22:46 john_minetest it's late (in my timezone). gtg, bye.
22:46 marktraceur NekoGloop: Jealous! I won't have tasty holiday cookies for some time now.
22:46 kaeza1 ugh. mediafire
22:46 NekoGloop and also, MC griefing is fun! :D
22:48 marktraceur Ah, holiday cheer. Drinking cider, chomping on cookies, destroying others' hard work. The season of giving.
22:48 NekoGloop the season of griefin'
22:48 kaeza1 +1 for Cider
22:49 * kaeza1 wants a cold alcoholic beverage of any kind
22:49 marktraceur Deck the halls with buckets of lava, trollolololol, olololol
22:49 NekoGloop lol no, not lava
22:49 jin_xi lol
22:49 NekoGloop tnt
22:49 kaeza1 wow
22:50 Uberi Hardcore Mese TNT
22:50 marktraceur 'tis the season to play games running on Java, trollolololol, olololol
22:50 NekoGloop and bedrock, bedrock looks lovely on your treasured diamond block wall.
22:50 NekoGloop also hanging on doors, bedrock looks awesome.
22:50 marktraceur Dawn will come and show the wreckage, trollolol, trollolol, trollolol
22:50 Uberi how on earth are you getting bedrock in survival
22:50 NakedFury such an awesome song
22:51 NekoGloop Uberi: TMI.
22:51 NekoGloop tis works for servers with no protection
22:52 kaeza1 NekoGloop: http://www.explosm.net/comics/2143/
22:52 moltenbot kaeza1's link: Cyanide & Happiness #2143 - Explosm.net
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22:52 kaeza1 you just reminded me :)
22:53 iqualfragile wer ist https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Q7ewQ0VCD4
22:53 moltenbot iqualfragile's link: [GERMAN] Let's Play Minetest #000 Vorbesprechung - YouTube
22:54 NekoGloop http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7s7dmYoF8E
22:54 moltenbot NekoGloop's link: Abstract Nonsense - Kagene Rei - YouTube
22:54 NekoGloop NOW it has unignored me
22:54 NekoGloop dafuq is up with you, moltenbot
22:56 NekoGloop http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ui9AAvEqae0
22:56 moltenbot NekoGloop's link: ?ENGLISH COVER?Adult's Toy???????????????? - YouTube
22:59 VanessaE hey hey NekoGloop.
22:59 NekoGloop wat
22:59 VanessaE um...hi?
22:59 * VanessaE puts a kitten on NekoGloop's head
22:59 * NekoGloop purrs
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23:15 kaeza1 VanessaE: do you know a bit about git?
23:15 Octupus joined #minetest
23:16 kaeza1 hello davidpace
23:16 kaeza1 hello Octupus
23:16 Uberi left #minetest
23:16 Octupus Hola
23:16 davidpace Hello kaeza1
23:16 kaeza1 Todo bien?
23:17 Octupus hi kaeza1
23:17 kaeza1 hi
23:17 kaeza1 what's up?
23:17 Octupus si todo es bien
23:17 kaeza1 fail
23:17 kaeza1 :P
23:17 kaeza1 nvm
23:17 Octupus todo es bien
23:18 kaeza1 "todo está bien" or simply "todo bien!"
23:18 kaeza1 nvm
23:18 Octupus i get lag :l
23:19 marktraceur Octupus: Lag happens, but sorry to hear it.
23:19 iqualfragile yeah, well, good night
23:19 Octupus :)
23:20 VanessaE kaeza1:  only enough to use it but not really much detail
23:20 kaeza1 oh ok
23:20 Octupus so how every1 doinh
23:20 kaeza1 just wanted to know if you need the entire branch to make a pull request
23:20 Octupus brb
23:21 davidpace_ joined #minetest
23:21 kaeza1 i.e: do I need to clone the entire minetest source if I want to make a pull request to change one single file?
23:22 marktraceur kaeza1: Yup
23:22 kaeza1 maybe I should just make a diff?
23:22 kaeza1 and send it to someone?
23:22 NekoGloop maybe you shouldnt bother?
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23:22 Octupus Hi
23:22 Octupus Better :D
23:23 kaeza1 wb
23:23 marktraceur Octupus: What changed? :)
23:23 NekoGloop ikr
23:23 NekoGloop http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qYlJD96euc
23:23 moltenbot NekoGloop's link: ?rockleetist? x [Ashe]  Bad Apple! (English) + Lyric - YouTube
23:23 Octupus idk marktraceur it just got better after i reset the client
23:23 marktraceur kaeza1: You could make a diff, but it would be roughly the same effect, you'd still need to diff against something
23:23 marktraceur Oh, K
23:24 marktraceur NekoGloop: Could you keep the video postings to a minimum?
23:24 kaeza1 marktraceur: I have the original, but do I need to upload the entire branch?
23:24 marktraceur kaeza1: Do you have a git repository?
23:24 Octupus NekoGloop, my bestest trolling buddy :D
23:24 marktraceur Or just files?
23:24 NekoGloop marktraceur: could you respect that this is the general minetest chat?
23:24 kaeza1 I can make a repo
23:25 NekoGloop == not geared toward development or modmaking
23:25 marktraceur NekoGloop: I do, and I'm happy you're here, but please be conservative. I'm not asking for zero, just few :)
23:25 kaeza1 but uploading the entire minetest to it seems like overkill
23:25 marktraceur kaeza1: No no
23:25 NekoGloop Octupus: MC griefing, tis fun, no?
23:25 marktraceur kaeza1: Do you have, locally, a git repository?
23:25 kaeza1 yes
23:25 marktraceur kaeza1: You can use git format-patch, then, if you want.
23:25 marktraceur kaeza1: Do you have a fork on github?
23:25 Octupus NekoGloop, tisk tisk tisk cracked or paid i wanna grief a poor MC person :D
23:26 NekoGloop paid
23:26 kaeza1 no
23:26 jin_xi *-
23:26 Octupus :l
23:26 Octupus NekoGloop, IM POOR
23:26 Octupus joke :)
23:26 NekoGloop simply so Forge doesnt bite my ass
23:26 jin_xi sorry, my cat* is leaning on my keyboard*
23:26 kaeza1 I just want to give it a shot at documenting the texture transformations
23:26 marktraceur kaeza1: Make one, it will be worth it. Their servers will run the commands to set it up, then you can upload a tiny patch (basically a patch file, but in git format) to make your changes to that repo.
23:26 jin_xi *
23:26 NekoGloop jin_xi: no I'm not
23:26 kaeza1 did anyone do that already?
23:27 Octupus Neko that mod on #minecraft hates ppl with cracked clients XD
23:27 NekoGloop Octupus: enchilado?
23:27 Octupus Yep
23:27 Octupus XD
23:27 marktraceur kaeza1: Everyone's done that already. It's the primary method for submitting changes to a project.
23:27 NekoGloop Octupus: Helzibah has banned like 5 of my IP's by now
23:27 kaeza1 marktraceur: I mean, document the texture transforms in tile.cpp
23:28 kaeza1 and put them in lua_api.txt
23:28 marktraceur Sounds good
23:28 Octupus NekoGloop, cracked client ehh :D
23:28 kaeza1 I may do it
23:28 NekoGloop Octupus: nope. mods.
23:28 NekoGloop #minecraft hates mods.
23:28 Octupus O lolz
23:28 * marktraceur wonders if NekoGloop is going to suggest that Minecraft chatter belongs in #minetest
23:28 kaeza1 brb
23:29 NekoGloop marktraceur: well i can't talk about it in the respective channel
23:29 NekoGloop I'm out of IP's
23:29 Octupus marktraceur, calm down in #minetest you can talk about anything calm DOWN :)
23:29 NekoGloop :D
23:29 marktraceur NekoGloop: That's not my problem, you shouldn't piss people off in _any_ channel.
23:29 NekoGloop marktraceur: what, you think i broke a rule of some kind?
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23:29 marktraceur Again, happy to have you here, just keep it tame and on-topic as much as you can
23:29 NekoGloop no, i was hate banned for liking to use mods.
23:30 marktraceur NekoGloop: No. The rules are few and very loose, but be careful :)
23:30 Octupus so bestest trolling buddy made any trolling maps lately
23:30 NekoGloop nope
23:30 * kaeza thinks NekoGloop should read RFC 1855
23:31 NekoGloop what the hell is that
23:31 kaeza NekoGloop: https://www.google.com.uy/url?sa=t&amp;rct=j&amp;q=&amp;esrc=s&amp;source=web&amp;cd=1&amp;cad=rja&amp;ved=0CDIQFjAA&amp;url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ietf.org%2Frfc%2Frfc1855.txt&amp;ei=HavPUJrsEpLq0QG_pICQCA&amp;usg=AFQjCNHJDaCrMM1WEvpUgffCQn1l1gYrTQ&amp;bvm=bv.1355325884,d.dmQ
23:31 marktraceur Gorram bots in this channel can't link an RFC? geez.
23:31 kaeza sorry
23:31 kaeza marktraceur: can they do it?
23:31 marktraceur http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1855
23:31 moltenbot marktraceur's link: RFC 1855 - Netiquette Guidelines
23:32 kaeza !g rfc 1855
23:32 Minetest-tan kaeza: http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1855.txt
23:32 NekoGloop tl;dr: i didnt break any rules or guildlines
23:34 marktraceur NekoGloop: Not in that list, but in this channel we also try to stay on-topic.
23:34 Octupus im going to make a race :D
23:34 kaeza Octupus: a race?
23:34 kaeza I want elves :P
23:34 Octupus marktraceur, i dont think there was a rule for it
23:34 Octupus kaeza, im making a map
23:35 marktraceur Octupus: I'm telling you now, if there's too much off-topic chatter, it will stop.
23:35 Octupus marktraceur, well good for you :)
23:35 NekoGloop inb4 ban
23:35 Octupus NekoGloop,DIGGY DIGGY HOLE
23:35 kaeza People! People... Please /join #off-topic
23:36 VanessaE come on guys, let's relax...
23:36 Octupus Hi VanessaE
23:36 VanessaE hi
23:38 Octupus VanessaE,im making a competition map any suggestion
23:38 VanessaE not really, sorry
23:38 kaeza Octupus: interesting
23:38 kaeza but later maybe
23:38 Octupus ok
23:38 Octupus first challenge is underground
23:39 NekoGloop *crash*
23:39 NekoGloop WHO BROKE THAT LINK
23:40 NekoGloop D<
23:40 marktraceur NekoGloop: What?
23:40 NekoGloop nothing
23:43 Octupus Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
23:43 Octupus i need moreblocks for super duper glowglass :D
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23:44 kaeza Octupus: consider also maptools
23:44 davidpace_ Someone please try to join the server I just made please? Port:30000 Address: 71.57.8.234
23:44 davidpace_ On 0.4.4
23:44 kaeza for unbreakable things and player/build clip
23:44 VanessaE davidpace_: don't wanna play on mine anymore? :(
23:44 davidpace_ The Latest
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23:45 davidpace_ I'm just trying to see if I can create my own. I won't be able to run it 24/7. And yes I will play on your server vanessa
23:45 VanessaE ok
23:46 VanessaE davidpace_: it does not connect.
23:46 davidpace_ Aww, what does it say?
23:46 davidpace_ Nothing?
23:46 Octupus VanessaE,your taking my players :(
23:46 VanessaE nothing, it just sits there waiting.
23:46 Octupus just kidding :)
23:46 VanessaE Octupus: sowwy :)
23:46 davidpace_ Oh okay. maybe I did the port forwarding wrong :(
23:48 VanessaE davidpace_, Octupus:  http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/screenshots/Screenshot%20-%2012172012%20-%2003:15:04%20AM.png
23:48 VanessaE my new menu splash :-)
23:48 NekoGloop oh, does that actually work now?
23:48 VanessaE NekoGloop:  yeah as long as the image is ~320x240 or so
23:49 Octupus VanessaE, NICE
23:49 VanessaE and that the logo part at the bottom is <200 pixels wide
23:49 VanessaE otherwise it won't fit a 1280x1024 screen or the default window, respectively.
23:49 davidpace_ Nice, VanessaE
23:50 NekoGloop VanessaE: 8bit adder detected
23:50 VanessaE NekoGloop: heh
23:50 marktraceur A snake!?
23:50 * marktraceur jumps on table
23:50 VanessaE haha
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23:50 NekoGloop lol someone on the network is actually called "snake"
23:52 kaeza my eyes hurt from looking at `tile.cpp'
23:53 NekoGloop seems legit
23:53 marktraceur kaeza: Maybe go outside for a while?
23:55 kaeza I hate // C++ style comments
23:56 kaeza I /* prefer this all the way */
23:56 NekoGloop http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCQY22Qc1bc be happy it's an english one. =w=
23:56 moltenbot NekoGloop's link: [Full] ?Matryoshka? - English - YouTube
23:56 mauvebic its been snowing here so much lately, i added a a pure snow node lol
23:57 mauvebic should look rather fabulous on mountain peaks :D
23:57 Octupus VanessaE,do u use a chest like in 0.4.3
23:58 Octupus NVM
23:59 VanessaE eh?
23:59 VanessaE kaeza: C++ makes my eyes bleed.
23:59 VanessaE :-)

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