| Time |
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| 00:44 |
tumeninodes |
ok well. I would like to mention, the ubuntu/mint ppa update for 0.4.17 is messed up, and is going to, and has probably already impacted a lot of end users. |
| 00:45 |
tumeninodes |
not sure if it is est31 who should look at it (I know they are not as active now) but their name is attached to those updates. I'm just letting people know |
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| 09:04 |
rubenwardy |
Would anyone like to be an editor on CDB? You'll be able to create and maintain packages on behalf of other users, and also be responsible for approving things |
| 09:05 |
rubenwardy |
No time commitment |
| 09:07 |
rubenwardy |
Also, there's 198 packages currenrly |
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| 09:19 |
IhrFussel |
Can you set the rightclick repeat to as LOW as you want potentially making a server lag more? |
| 09:20 |
IhrFussel |
I sure hope the engine has some check and a minimum time interval or else RIP |
| 09:22 |
ANAND |
IhrFussel, there's no such limitation |
| 09:24 |
IhrFussel |
Are the devs crazy? I just had a player who reportedly set that value to something very low and I NOTICED |
| 09:24 |
ANAND |
How low exactly? :D |
| 09:25 |
IhrFussel |
Combined with the fact that you can stack infinite flowers without having to change the position |
| 09:26 |
IhrFussel |
I don't know how low but the max_lag spiked for a short amount of time so the most logical explanation would be the low value for the clicking |
| 09:26 |
ANAND |
Hmm... quite possible |
| 09:26 |
IhrFussel |
Also topic cheating: Setting it to VERY LOW does definitely allow unfair behavior |
| 09:26 |
IhrFussel |
Devs supporting cheating on servers? |
| 09:27 |
ANAND |
Unfair behaviour <- agreed |
| 09:27 |
IhrFussel |
AFAIK you can set both intervals...left and rightclick |
| 09:27 |
IhrFussel |
RIP PvP servers |
| 09:27 |
ANAND |
Not left-click |
| 09:28 |
IhrFussel |
Are you sure? |
| 09:28 |
ANAND |
thankfully! |
| 09:28 |
ANAND |
Yes |
| 09:28 |
IhrFussel |
Someone mentioned that in an issue once |
| 09:28 |
IhrFussel |
Maybe the PvP server used right click for punching or some tool that activates on right click |
| 09:28 |
ANAND |
About the right-click repetition interval, #7089 |
| 09:28 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/7089 -- 'Right-click repetition interval' should be a server-side setting |
| 09:28 |
IhrFussel |
The devs shot that down |
| 09:29 |
ANAND |
yea :/ |
| 09:29 |
IhrFussel |
Maybe not server side per-se but the engine should have a hard coded limit SERVER SIDE |
| 09:29 |
IhrFussel |
Ignore the client |
| 09:29 |
ANAND |
Yes |
| 09:30 |
ANAND |
Even better |
| 09:30 |
IhrFussel |
The engine should calculate the time between 2 right clicks from the same player and ignore if it's less than 0.X secs |
| 09:31 |
IhrFussel |
And maybe make that setting adjustable |
| 09:31 |
ANAND |
Agreed |
| 09:33 |
IhrFussel |
Also: Not sure if it's already possible but the engine should know the difference between single right click and holding the mouse button down |
| 09:34 |
IhrFussel |
It's just bad design if a client can make the server lag with INTENDED behavior |
| 09:37 |
rubenwardy |
Finally have a desktop at work |
| 09:37 |
rubenwardy |
Compiling big things so need a 40 core 64GB ram machine |
| 09:37 |
rubenwardy |
Also have an issued laptop, i7 (quad core @ 4.3GHz) |
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| 09:43 |
ANAND |
oh nice! :) |
| 09:45 |
rubenwardy |
Htop is now sexy asf |
| 09:45 |
ANAND |
Htop?? |
| 09:46 |
nerzhul |
the linux to is shit |
| 09:46 |
nerzhul |
top |
| 09:46 |
nerzhul |
the BSD top is nice, but htop is the only top which make linux top clear |
| 09:47 |
ANAND |
oh nice |
| 09:47 |
IhrFussel |
2 devs read what I said and NONE of them even reply to it...I guess that means it's time to open an issue to get more attention |
| 09:49 |
rubenwardy |
I actually skipped it |
| 09:49 |
rubenwardy |
Lololol |
| 09:49 |
rubenwardy |
:P |
| 09:49 |
ANAND |
haha |
| 09:57 |
IhrFussel |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/7418 << if devs ignore this it'll make the whole "what is cheating /hacking" responses by them laughable |
| 10:00 |
rubenwardy |
:P |
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| 10:13 |
Calinou |
<IhrFussel> The engine should calculate the time between 2 right clicks from the same player and ignore if it's less than 0.X secs |
| 10:13 |
Calinou |
problem is, lag spikes can cause two (or more) right clicks to be sent at the same time |
| 10:14 |
Calinou |
a more proper way to fix this is adding a client-side minimal value, people can edit it out but it's a start |
| 10:14 |
IhrFussel |
Calinou, then the engine should additionally keep track of the dtime |
| 10:14 |
Calinou |
doing it server-side isn't reliable due to Minetest's networking :/ |
| 10:15 |
Calinou |
>Also, setting this very low allows unfair behavior (cheating) since most other players likely don't even know about this setting or cannot set it because their mobile app doesn't contain this setting. |
| 10:16 |
Calinou |
I do not consider configuration tweaks to be cheating though |
| 10:16 |
Calinou |
I'm not a cheater if I set hardware gamma to 3.0 :-) |
| 10:16 |
IhrFussel |
If these configuration tweaks allow behavior that the server owner doesn't want then it IS cheating IMO |
| 10:16 |
ANAND |
Mine's 3.5 :D |
| 10:16 |
ANAND |
Hmm, you have a point |
| 10:17 |
IhrFussel |
The gamma setting could be cheating too on some very specific servers... we are talking about the ability to make server LAG here though |
| 10:18 |
IhrFussel |
The gamma setting cannot spam the server with actions |
| 10:18 |
IhrFussel |
I will test it now...will set the repeated rightclick to 0.05 (if possible) and watch my max_lag |
| 10:19 |
ANAND |
I've tried 0.01 once, it was unplayable |
| 10:19 |
ANAND |
In the sense that it took me 5 minutes to get a door to open |
| 10:22 |
ANAND |
not to mention, it lagged so badly that the blocks I placed kept vanishing |
| 10:23 |
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| 10:24 |
ANAND |
apparently the server did not register the new blocks, probably they're placed almost simultaneously by the same player |
| 10:33 |
IhrFussel |
Ok well the good news is that setting it to 0.01 seconds doesn't seem to increase max_lag by ITSELF ... it can of course still increase the load on a server with already higher regular lags |
| 10:34 |
IhrFussel |
And the load it causes depends on the CPU too...not every server owner got a Intel Xeon |
| 10:35 |
IhrFussel |
Or better since Xeon isn't that new anymore (2016 I think) |
| 10:40 |
* rubenwardy |
is using a Xeon right now |
| 10:40 |
rubenwardy |
Sooo good |
| 10:40 |
ANAND |
:D |
| 10:40 |
rubenwardy |
Kinda want to compile Mt on it |
| 10:40 |
ANAND |
IhrFussel, new SKUs of Xeon are still being released afaik |
| 10:41 |
ANAND |
Also, CPUs just need to be powerful, new or old doesn't matter when you're talking about 24 hyper-threaded cores running at 2.8 GHz :) |
| 10:43 |
ANAND |
New or old does matter however, when the CPU in question is an outlawed dual-core Pentium running at 2.99 GHz (like mine ._.) |
| 10:45 |
IhrFussel |
ANAND, only singlecore performance is important for MT yes... and usually newer CPUs also have more efficient tech to allow more power per core |
| 10:46 |
ANAND |
Oops! of course... >.< |
| 10:46 |
ANAND |
Forgot that Minetest still runs on one core only... |
| 10:47 |
IhrFussel |
I don't have the Xeon for myself only of course (I couldn't afford a 1,500$+ CPU) ... but I have guaranteed cores that are not used by others (well almost never used by others) |
| 10:49 |
IhrFussel |
Before I ran my server on a AMD Opteron from 2010 ... same world, same mods ... max_lag always 1.5 secs or higher |
| 10:52 |
ANAND |
Ouch... |
| 11:13 |
Calinou |
Xeons aren't necessarily fast |
| 11:13 |
Calinou |
some are 8-year old and still used in production VPSes |
| 11:13 |
Calinou |
some only have 4 cores or possibly even 2 |
| 11:14 |
Calinou |
some of them are rebranded i7 CPUs with the IGP disabled too :) |
| 11:14 |
Calinou |
(it was a trick to get a cheap i7-3770 a while ago) |
| 11:16 |
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| 11:18 |
ANAND |
Ha lol :P |
| 11:23 |
Krock |
rubenwardy, what's to do for the package maintenance? Would be kinda interested |
| 11:24 |
Krock |
IhrFussel, the difference between the new rightclick issue and the old is that the server will not tell the client what to use - it just prevents abuse/flood |
| 11:26 |
IhrFussel |
Krock, because the "server decides it" idea was shot down by the devs ... maybe my approach makes more sense |
| 11:27 |
Krock |
you can clearly see how my opinion differs in these two cases :3 |
| 11:27 |
ANAND |
:_( |
| 11:30 |
IhrFussel |
As long as rightclick flooding becomes impossible I don't mind the exact implementation, but it should be backported to 0.4.X for sure |
| 11:35 |
Krock |
IhrFussel, is the disappearing car bug fixed yet? |
| 11:51 |
rubenwardy |
Minetest takes 30 seconds to compile from scratch on 40 cores |
| 11:52 |
Krock |
Factsthatmakeyoujealous.png |
| 11:52 |
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| 11:52 |
Krock |
possibly not using HDDs to get these speeds |
| 11:53 |
rubenwardy |
RAID |
| 11:53 |
Krock |
RAID SSD $.$ |
| 11:55 |
* Krock |
sees VanessaE being busy with importing repos & updating posts |
| 11:55 |
VanessaE |
yup. |
| 11:56 |
* rubenwardy |
wishes she'd update cdb too |
| 11:56 |
* rubenwardy |
needs to make some gitlab repos public |
| 11:56 |
VanessaE |
someone else can do that after I'm done. |
| 11:56 |
rubenwardy |
Same repo name? |
| 11:56 |
rubenwardy |
Could write some SQL to do it |
| 11:56 |
VanessaE |
generally yeah |
| 11:57 |
VanessaE |
should be little more than s::: to update. |
| 12:02 |
Calinou |
rubenwardy: try -j50 or -j60 too |
| 12:02 |
Calinou |
(more threads than CPU threads) |
| 12:02 |
rubenwardy |
Right |
| 12:02 |
rubenwardy |
Will do |
| 12:02 |
Calinou |
it can be minutely faster |
| 12:02 |
Calinou |
(try 125%, 150% or even 200% of CPU threads) |
| 12:02 |
rubenwardy |
Once I've finished compiling LLVM, Linux kernel, and Android |
| 12:03 |
ANAND |
Xeon is hyper-threaded, that's 80 logical cores |
| 12:04 |
Krock |
what a beast of computer |
| 12:05 |
ANAND |
Lucky chap :P |
| 12:05 |
rubenwardy |
Don't get to keep it, unfortunately |
| 12:05 |
rubenwardy |
Or my laptop |
| 12:05 |
rubenwardy |
:D |
| 12:05 |
VanessaE |
tell the boss it got stolen :P |
| 12:05 |
ANAND |
XD |
| 12:06 |
rubenwardy |
Technically not lying |
| 12:08 |
VanessaE |
heh |
| 12:28 |
IhrFussel |
Krock, nope still happens an not sure how to fix it...or maybe it's a bug in the network code |
| 12:28 |
IhrFussel |
and* |
| 12:31 |
IhrFussel |
I also don't know when it started happening...could be since I updated to 0.4.17-dev (Dec 4) |
| 12:33 |
rubenwardy |
30 seconds again with -j80 |
| 12:34 |
ANAND |
Overclock your CPU then 8) |
| 12:38 |
Fixer |
Hey, little drums! |
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| 13:02 |
VanessaE |
rubenwardy: done. |
| 13:02 |
VanessaE |
all my repos have been moved and relevant forum topics updated. |
| 13:04 |
VanessaE |
(the "fun" part is gonna be 50 bazillion "git remote set-url" commands to update my local copies :P ) |
| 13:06 |
Krock |
./my_powerful_script.sh |
| 13:09 |
VanessaE |
heh |
| 13:09 |
VanessaE |
too lazy to script it |
| 13:09 |
VanessaE |
besides, the important part's done, I can just deal with my local copies as needed. |
| 13:14 |
lisac |
https://gitea.io/en-US/ |
| 13:14 |
Fixer |
We are the Procrastinator generation! |
| 13:14 |
Fixer |
lisac: get over it |
| 13:14 |
Fixer |
.____. |
| 13:14 |
* lisac |
hates MS |
| 13:14 |
Fixer |
nobody going to move unless MS starts doing bad stuff |
| 13:15 |
lisac |
http://irc.minetest.net/minetest-hub/2018-06-03#i_5320236 |
| 13:16 |
VanessaE |
Fixer: s/nobody/people are/; s/unless/when/ |
| 13:16 |
VanessaE |
you know perfectly well MS WILL start doing bad stuff, and shittons of people have already moved. |
| 13:17 |
VanessaE |
(gitlab's traffic jumped 300x) |
| 13:17 |
VanessaE |
the traffic got so high at one point that gitHUB started to struggle. |
| 13:22 |
lisac |
and besides, theres really nothing keeping us on GitHub except habbit |
| 13:22 |
lisac |
*habit |
| 13:22 |
VanessaE |
yup |
| 13:22 |
lisac |
it really has no unique features we need |
| 13:23 |
Fixer |
VanessaE: if that happens, then yes |
| 13:24 |
VanessaE |
there's no "if", Fixer. |
| 13:24 |
VanessaE |
it WILl happen. |
| 13:25 |
Fixer |
VanessaE: it will be evident, no need to move now |
| 13:25 |
VanessaE |
perhaps, perhaps not, but better to move before MS locks you out. |
| 13:26 |
Fixer |
how they lock out our code? |
| 13:26 |
VanessaE |
you know one of the things they'll be just ITCHING to do is require a Windows Live or some other MS-only scheme for website lofin |
| 13:26 |
VanessaE |
login* |
| 13:27 |
rdococ |
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't GitHub proprietary anyway? |
| 13:27 |
VanessaE |
and they could block anonymous git access too if they wanted (limiting such to only logged-in-with-Win-Live accounts) |
| 13:27 |
Fixer |
VanessaE: you can still login in skype via live or via original acc iirc |
| 13:27 |
Fixer |
i guess the same will be true for GH |
| 13:27 |
VanessaE |
Fixer: you're missing the point |
| 13:27 |
Krock |
rdococ, independent proprietary is still better than owner by some large company |
| 13:27 |
Krock |
s/ner/ned/ |
| 13:27 |
Fixer |
VanessaE: they can, but they don't do it yet |
| 13:28 |
Fixer |
gitlab is private entity as well and can be aquaired by any shitcorp like Google or so |
| 13:28 |
rdococ |
Krock: True, but regardless, my point is even if MS does nothing wrong that we should migrate. |
| 13:28 |
VanessaE |
better google than MS, Fixer . |
| 13:28 |
Fixer |
acquaired* |
| 13:29 |
rdococ |
Fixer: Which is why I advocated migration to notabug.org |
| 13:31 |
VanessaE |
point is, get out now, while you still have control. |
| 13:31 |
VanessaE |
leaving nothing behind but an empty shell of an account. |
| 13:31 |
lisac |
what about self hosting? |
| 13:31 |
lisac |
something like git.minetest.net? |
| 13:31 |
rdococ |
^ |
| 13:31 |
Fixer |
VanessaE: you will loose userbase |
| 13:32 |
VanessaE |
More for devs to maintain. |
| 13:32 |
VanessaE |
no, better to let someone else handle that. |
| 13:32 |
Fixer |
VanessaE: i mean all those github people will need to god damn register on yet another service to commit to this game |
| 13:32 |
lisac |
Fixer: most of minetest userbase is downloading from official site, not compiling from Github |
| 13:32 |
lisac |
or Play store, I guess |
| 13:32 |
VanessaE |
Fixer: oh cry me a river :-/ |
| 13:32 |
rdococ |
Fixer: What... |
| 13:33 |
Krock |
Atlantic ocean crying.. anyone? |
| 13:33 |
Fixer |
the fact that everyone is on github helps, I don't to spend with that bullshit registration on every shitzilla just to post 1 fucking bug |
| 13:33 |
rdococ |
That's... it takes *sooo* much effort to register for gitlab |
| 13:33 |
Fixer |
don't want to spend* |
| 13:33 |
Fixer |
time** |
| 13:33 |
rdococ |
Ugh, how I hate typing things into a few text boxes |
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| 13:33 |
rdococ |
even though I type in IRC all the time |
| 13:33 |
VanessaE |
5 minutes of time and one new line in your passwords file. come on man |
| 13:33 |
Fixer |
i fed up with this shit |
| 13:33 |
Shara |
There are people who genuinely will refuse to contribute if it means registering somewhere new. |
| 13:33 |
Shara |
We've had people refuse to join github too. |
| 13:34 |
Fixer |
every bitch wants me to register to his shit, fuck them |
| 13:34 |
VanessaE |
Shara: and nothing of value was lost |
| 13:34 |
ANAND |
Calm down please :) |
| 13:34 |
rdococ |
Oof... |
| 13:34 |
Fixer |
do a proper internet-wide trustable auth thing |
| 13:34 |
Shara |
VanessaE: actually you can't know, but on github, probably not, since most people join it |
| 13:34 |
VanessaE |
Fixer: you DO realize you can still clone anonymously, right? |
| 13:34 |
Shara |
If moving to something more obscure... odds of losing real contributors do increase |
| 13:35 |
Fixer |
but I still need to register to post a bugreport |
| 13:35 |
rdococ |
For fucks sake, just register... |
| 13:35 |
Fixer |
and some people use stuff like bugzilla, jira, mantis, sourceforge insane thing, need to register on all of them and navigate their criptic UIs |
| 13:35 |
VanessaE |
Fixer: in the time you've spent bitching about it, you could have registered already |
| 13:35 |
Shara |
Most regular contributors will, but you can easily lose those who would have made one of contributions... (and some of those would become regulars in time) |
| 13:35 |
rdococ |
Fixer: Gitlab does not have a cryptic UI... |
| 13:36 |
VanessaE |
besides, I think gitlab lets you register via your github account |
| 13:36 |
Fixer |
now, that is interesting option |
| 13:36 |
Shara |
I'm amused you tell Fixer to register and there is no official plan to move there yet :) |
| 13:36 |
VanessaE |
not unlike registering on some random site via facebarf. |
| 13:36 |
xerox123 |
> moving when there are no issues |
| 13:36 |
xerox123 |
> wot |
| 13:36 |
rdococ |
I deleted my facebarf account |
| 13:37 |
Fixer |
or openttd, shit, I had to mail some dudes so they can register me in, that is insane |
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| 13:37 |
Fixer |
hidden somewhere in deep state interwebs |
| 13:37 |
rdococ |
Holy fucking shit, none of this shit applies to GitLab |
| 13:37 |
lisac |
We could have mailing lists, that way people don't need a new account |
| 13:37 |
rdococ |
I think Fixer is being satirical... |
| 13:37 |
Fixer |
mailing lists need UI overhaul, they are super simple, I need more advanced UI |
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| 13:38 |
rdococ |
Definitely satire...? |
| 13:39 |
Fixer |
i don't use facebook, don't register via it |
| 13:40 |
Fixer |
just tired, i don't want back to that time when every bitch wants me to register just to post a bug about spelling error |
| 13:42 |
Fixer |
that is my rant for now |
| 13:42 |
rdococ |
I tuned out when you said deep state |
| 13:43 |
Fixer |
it is obscure meme from trump people |
| 13:43 |
rdococ |
Yes, the trump people |
| 13:44 |
Fixer |
it is also getting very annoying when some probably paid trolls insert Hillary related stuff on first comments on slashdot |
| 13:48 |
lisac |
hmm... |
| 13:48 |
lisac |
http://savannah.nongnu.org |
| 13:48 |
Fixer |
rdococ: there is also a book called Deep State or smth, probably nice one for guys loving conspiracy |
| 13:48 |
rubenwardy |
Ee |
| 13:48 |
rubenwardy |
* ew |
| 13:48 |
Fixer |
lisac: just no |
| 13:48 |
Fixer |
their UI is disorienting me |
| 13:49 |
lisac |
hmm there is a nice compass app you can find in the Play Store |
| 13:49 |
Fixer |
it does the job, but on github it like super easy, and here I need to use my glasses and reread everything |
| 13:49 |
lisac |
and this https://i.redd.it/bs18fsiary111.png |
| 13:50 |
lisac |
lol https://johansen.software/github-xp/ |
| 13:50 |
Fixer |
lisac: possibly |
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| 14:00 |
rdococ |
lisac: is that real? |
| 14:01 |
lisac |
rdococ: which one? |
| 14:01 |
rdococ |
the notification |
| 14:02 |
lisac |
don't know, found it on reddit |
| 14:03 |
rdococ |
speaking of reddit, https://www.reddit.com/r/ProgrammerHumor/comments/8oyndj/calm_down_microsoft_already_knows_enough_about_you/ |
| 14:06 |
Krock |
had like a zero less in the upvote count the last time |
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rdococ |
I'd like to create a social networking site but I'd have no idea where to start |
| 14:22 |
VanessaE |
13 |
| 14:22 |
VanessaE |
oops |
| 14:22 |
Krock |
sudo rm -rf /* |
| 14:23 |
VanessaE |
heh |
| 14:23 |
Krock |
sorry wrong window 8) |
| 14:23 |
rdococ |
how would I get a website of the form rdococ.gitlab.io up and running? |
| 14:23 |
Krock |
rdococ, create a gitlab repo like on github, I guess? |
| 14:24 |
Krock |
using the website name, if gitlab offers that feature |
| 14:25 |
VanessaE |
I think you want https://about.gitlab.com/features/pages/ |
| 14:26 |
rdococ |
I was just on that |
| 14:26 |
rdococ |
I'm stuck at step 4 |
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nerzhul |
Krock: sudo dd if=/dev/random of=/dev/sda |
| 14:43 |
Krock |
dd, the 2nd most dangerous command after rm |
| 14:44 |
Krock |
why not /dev/urandom though? |
| 14:44 |
nerzhul |
Krock yeah, urandom on linux else we will wait the rng too many |
| 14:44 |
nerzhul |
dd is more dangerous as random users don't know the command and what is /dev/sda :D |
| 14:45 |
nerzhul |
sudo find / -exec sed -i 's/.*//g' {} \; |
| 14:45 |
nerzhul |
it's nice too :D |
| 15:06 |
celeron55 |
dd is more dangerous because you practically never run it as non-root |
| 15:08 |
xerox123 |
https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/PTn37qnWw3/ |
| 15:08 |
rdococ |
root is dangerous, only eat the stem |
| 15:09 |
ANAND |
lol |
| 15:11 |
xerox123 |
I keep getting that error (see pastebin) |
| 15:12 |
* rdococ |
yays, and hugs xerox123 |
| 15:12 |
xerox123 |
homedecor moved to gitlab I see |
| 15:13 |
rdococ |
I want to create a mod that adds a "totem of undying", except it would be crafted with fish and gold |
| 15:14 |
* rdococ |
clones the minetest repo from gitlab~ |
| 15:14 |
BillyS |
Anyone have any idea what could be causing this funny glitch: https://imgur.com/a/EdSGTbl? |
| 15:15 |
rdococ |
looks like a node being placed and removed in your head repeatedly? |
| 15:16 |
ANAND |
What node tho? |
| 15:16 |
rdococ |
although if that were the case it should be invisible... |
| 15:16 |
ANAND |
probably looks like a mese lamp |
| 15:18 |
xerox123 |
I see it behind me when I'm running forward using F7 too |
| 15:18 |
BillyS |
rdococ, that was my thought too |
| 15:18 |
BillyS |
But it doesn't hapen to me |
| 15:18 |
BillyS |
*happen |
| 15:19 |
rdococ |
suddenly, computer lag |
| 15:20 |
BillyS |
Figured it out |
| 15:20 |
xerox123 |
it was the goggle glass titanium on my hotbar |
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rdococ |
o_O |
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| 15:23 |
rdococ |
hi me |
| 15:23 |
rdococ |
and hi my IP -_- |
| 15:35 |
IhrFussel |
I don't get why many of you try to hide their IP...every website you visit will get it, every server you connect to will get it, lots of companies already got it (unless it's dynamic) |
| 15:36 |
ANAND |
IhrFussel: on IRC? |
| 15:36 |
IhrFussel |
Using a VPN would make more sense because people don't get the impression that you're trying to hide something and instead show a fake IP |
| 15:38 |
IhrFussel |
Not just IRC...in general ... I don't get why it's so "bad" to show your IP publicly ... all it does it telling the estimated location and ISP |
| 15:39 |
IhrFussel |
The location is mostly completely wrong and points to another city |
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| 15:47 |
rdococ |
I know where they ays |
| 15:49 |
rubenwardy |
IPs may be static, and you could be ddos |
| 15:50 |
rubenwardy |
For anon people they may not want people to know their location |
| 15:50 |
rubenwardy |
But don't mind service owners knowing it |
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| 16:10 |
Fixer |
install ublock origin, privacy budger, maybe noscript if you a zealot, if you don't watch, their spying is useless, unless they sell you out in different way |
| 16:22 |
IhrFussel |
I find this silly, the IP is nothing like your real name, phone number, address, or other private info ... I doubt that a DDos can affect a private connection behind a router |
| 16:24 |
IhrFussel |
At least in Germany all private connections are behind a router which doesn't even let you connect from outside unless the person enables port forwarding |
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| 16:31 |
Calinou |
IP-based location is not *that* accurate |
| 16:31 |
Calinou |
also, the DDoS issue is only really problematic for streamers and the like |
| 16:31 |
Calinou |
still, you should use SASL to connect :) |
| 16:31 |
Calinou |
so that you're logged into NickServ before you're connected to the server |
| 16:35 |
rdococ |
Has anyone else worked on a mod which allows you to enable and disable sets of privs at once? |
| 16:41 |
benrob0329 |
rdococ: no, but I'd imagine you build a list of users who have a priv and remove the priv from them, then take that list and reapply it once enabled again |
| 16:42 |
rdococ |
I'm working on a metapriv mod (by analogy with "metapackages" that only serve to add packages) |
| 16:43 |
ANAND |
That's nice, good luck! |
| 16:47 |
rdococ |
Trying to avoid unnecessary for loops |
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rdococ |
success! I crashed minetest |
| 16:53 |
rdococ |
are there still frequent crashes in the latest commit? |
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| 17:00 |
tumeninodes |
has anyone, had the same issues I am having with the new ubuntu/mint ppa0 update for 0.4.17? it would be the 64bit xenial build |
| 17:03 |
sofar |
VanessaE: I'm removing you from minetest-mods entirely, and restoring the mods you removed from the minetest-mods organization |
| 17:03 |
sofar |
if you're willing to discuss this without doing vandalism and want to it over, I'm more than happy to listen |
| 17:04 |
sofar |
but removing mods without discussion from minetest-mods is not the way to do this |
| 17:04 |
IhrFussel |
rdococ, I think I saw such a mod in the forum...one sec |
| 17:05 |
Krock |
rdococ, yet the source of these crashes is not entirely clear |
| 17:07 |
rdococ |
My register_on_priv_grant callback doesn't seem to be called? |
| 17:08 |
IhrFussel |
rdococ, sorry looks like I misremembered |
| 17:09 |
Krock |
rdococ, are you using the most recent 0.5.0-dev version? (builtin inclusive) |
| 17:10 |
rdococ |
Krock: I just compiled |
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| 17:10 |
Krock |
poke rubenwardy |
| 17:10 |
xerox123 |
looks like the great fire of London is taking round 2, https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-44389565 |
| 17:15 |
rdococ |
hm, where is debug.txt? |
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| 17:16 |
rdococ |
there seems to be an error in builtin/game/register.lua line 448 |
| 17:16 |
rdococ |
lines 447 and 448: if not def or not def["on_" .. method] or not def[priv]["on_" .. method](name, caller) then -- looks like def[priv] should just be def or vice versa |
| 17:20 |
VanessaE |
sofar: er, no vandalism intended.... I just moved everything to gitlab |
| 17:20 |
Krock |
rdococ, --> PR |
| 17:20 |
sofar |
you deleted 15+ repos from minetest-mods, without even asking |
| 17:20 |
sofar |
that is not acceptable |
| 17:21 |
sofar |
I've restored them, at least the code |
| 17:21 |
VanessaE |
*shrug* I told you ahead of time that I wanted them "returned" |
| 17:21 |
Krock |
rubenwardy, is it normal for the CDB to timeout right now? importing a repo doesn't seem to work currently |
| 17:21 |
sofar |
there is no *returning* from minetest-mods |
| 17:21 |
sofar |
you left, the code stays |
| 17:21 |
sofar |
feel free to work on gitlab |
| 17:21 |
xerox123 |
can someone please help me with this? https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/X79VSbDMVF/ |
| 17:22 |
xerox123 |
only happened after I moved to 0.4.17 |
| 17:22 |
sofar |
feel free to clone everything and develop outside github |
| 17:22 |
sofar |
but deleting repos from github? fuck that |
| 17:22 |
sofar |
I was on vacation for 5+ days, you didn't discuss anything in detail |
| 17:23 |
Krock |
xerox123, activate unifieddyes |
| 17:23 |
Krock |
it's not a 0.4.17 fault |
| 17:25 |
xerox123 |
oh. thanks :D |
| 17:26 |
VanessaE |
like I said, vandalism was not my intent. |
| 17:30 |
xerox123 |
that error now leads onto this one: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/nzCKr9y26p/ |
| 17:30 |
Krock |
fix homedecor |
| 17:32 |
Krock |
xerox123, changed due to bug #7044 |
| 17:32 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/7044 -- MetaDataRef:set_int does not check argument types |
| 17:32 |
Krock |
change that to :set_string("key", "") |
| 17:33 |
xerox123 |
ok |
| 17:33 |
Shara |
sofar: why must mods be available there specifically? Why is it an issue so long as they are available? |
| 17:34 |
xerox123 |
Krock: like this? this_spawner_meta:set_string("smoky", id) |
| 17:34 |
xerox123 |
this_spawner_meta:set_string("sound", nil) |
| 17:35 |
Krock |
xerox123, no, like :set_string("smoky", "") and :set_string("sound", "") |
| 17:35 |
Krock |
empty values are garbage and removed |
| 17:35 |
rubenwardy |
Github redirects if you move away |
| 17:35 |
rubenwardy |
Krock: ctrl-shift-r |
| 17:35 |
xerox123 |
ok |
| 17:35 |
Krock |
rubenwardy, question is when this happens - only for moving in GitHub or always |
| 17:35 |
rubenwardy |
And for massive mods like dreambuilder it will timeout |
| 17:35 |
rubenwardy |
Well yeah, sorry |
| 17:36 |
rubenwardy |
When you move away within github |
| 17:36 |
rubenwardy |
Not when you go to other sites |
| 17:36 |
* Krock |
suggests to import the README in the CDB too |
| 17:37 |
rubenwardy |
It has lots of additional information |
| 17:37 |
rubenwardy |
Usually pointless |
| 17:37 |
rubenwardy |
I'll end up having to delete most of it |
| 17:39 |
Krock |
oh. |
| 17:39 |
Krock |
I also noticed that the title for releases is now limited to 30 characters. noticed it after trying to submit one with 100 :3 |
| 17:45 |
VanessaE |
sofar: bottom line: what you have there are, as far as I am concerned, just forks now - what I have on gitlab is upstream and is where all issues, PRs, etc. should be directed. I disagree with your having restored those mods, as I want nothing to do with github anymore, but whatever. |
| 17:45 |
rdococ |
on_grant seems to be called regardless of whether the priv was already granted... hm |
| 17:46 |
VanessaE |
xerox123: about that homedecor glitch, please file an issue about it on my repo. I believe someone mentioned it before, also. |
| 17:46 |
xerox123 |
github or gitlab? |
| 17:46 |
VanessaE |
gitlab. |
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VanessaE |
https://gitlab.com/VanessaE/homedecor_modpack |
| 17:47 |
VanessaE |
there we go |
| 17:47 |
Krock |
xerox123, both places to ensure it's reported |
| 17:47 |
VanessaE |
haven't committed the new URLs to memory yet. |
| 17:47 |
xerox123 |
I'll see later, editing a video right now |
| 17:47 |
VanessaE |
ok |
| 17:48 |
Shara |
Isn't it against mt-mods own rules to have forks? :) |
| 17:49 |
rubenwardy |
I don't think it's right to ban divorces |
| 17:50 |
CWz_ |
Nice one |
| 17:51 |
CWz_ |
VanessaE, are all your mods on gitlab now |
| 17:51 |
VanessaE |
yes. |
| 17:51 |
Krock |
texturepacks and modpacks too? |
| 17:52 |
Krock |
(checklist) |
| 17:52 |
VanessaE |
https://gitlab.com/users/VanessaE/projects |
| 17:52 |
VanessaE |
everything I have control over. |
| 17:52 |
VanessaE |
(that is, everything that I maintain) |
| 17:52 |
Krock |
hmm.. NURBCBIGPBFMPUPUCSH |
| 17:53 |
VanessaE |
? |
| 17:53 |
Krock |
the project icons. top to bottom |
| 17:53 |
VanessaE |
oh heh |
| 17:54 |
Krock |
would almost show "BIG... PUSH" |
| 17:55 |
VanessaE |
the letters are obvious, but I wonder what the colors mean. |
| 17:56 |
ANAND |
https://github.com/KaiGerdMueller/minetest-bot-collection |
| 17:58 |
nerzhul |
ANAND: lol a shell script which exec a python script which exec a blob jar |
| 17:58 |
ANAND |
Auto-click / auto-eat functionalities all-in-one mod :D |
| 17:58 |
nerzhul |
jar can contain anything and is non traceable |
| 17:58 |
nerzhul |
like stealike your all data |
| 17:58 |
ANAND |
Quite likely |
| 17:58 |
ANAND |
Considering the track-record of the author, I wouldn't be surprised... |
| 18:01 |
rubenwardy |
What if MS bought github so that people would move to gitlab who use azure |
| 18:01 |
rubenwardy |
And also move github to azure so more profit as well |
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VanessaE |
rubenwardy: you just *know* they're gonna demand a Win Live account soon. |
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| 18:03 |
ANAND |
That's clever, actually |
| 18:08 |
IhrFussel |
Anyone here using the ambience mod by tenplus1 on their server(s) and also hearing random glass break sounds? |
| 18:13 |
VanessaE |
maybe you keep walking over broken glass? :) |
| 18:13 |
Krock |
my reaction to people asking when 0.5.0 will be out: http://krock-works.16mb.com/u/minetest_050_release_date.mp4 |
| 18:14 |
rdococ |
now I'm getting a cryptic error message related to minetest.chat_send_all |
| 18:15 |
ANAND |
That's one function which just can't throw any errors even if you try to make it :P |
| 18:15 |
rdococ |
I get a runtime error from a mod whose name is the empty string |
| 18:15 |
rdococ |
And the error itself is literally just 'singleplayer' |
| 18:15 |
rdococ |
I'd paste it if I knew where debug.txt was |
| 18:16 |
ANAND |
linux? |
| 18:16 |
rdococ |
(or where it went, I'm sure it was in the repo folder...) |
| 18:16 |
rdococ |
xubuntu 18.04, iirc |
| 18:16 |
rdococ |
Client: HexChat 2.14.1 • OS: Ubuntu "bionic" 18.04 • CPU: AMD A4-6210 APU with AMD Radeon R3 Graphics (1.16GHz) • Memory: Physical: 3.2 GiB Total (1.3 GiB Free) Swap: 2.0 GiB Total (1.8 GiB Free) • Storage: 0 bytes / 0 bytes (0 bytes Free) • Uptime: 6d 7h 28m 15s |
| 18:16 |
rdococ |
it can't detect my storage |
| 18:16 |
rdococ |
lol |
| 18:16 |
ANAND |
Try /usr/share/minetest/bin |
| 18:17 |
rdococ |
I installed with -drun_in_place |
| 18:18 |
ANAND |
not in .minetest/bin ? |
| 18:18 |
ANAND |
*minetest/bin |
| 18:18 |
rdococ |
nope... |
| 18:19 |
ANAND |
Check in ur /home |
| 18:19 |
rdococ |
there's no debug.txt or minetest folder there |
| 18:19 |
rdococ |
except for the one I made which has clones of the repo in it |
| 18:20 |
Krock |
> I installed with -drun_in_place |
| 18:20 |
Krock |
RUN_IN_PLACE does not need to be installed. run it directly |
| 18:20 |
rdococ |
no, I compiled with that flag |
| 18:21 |
Krock |
cd ./bin/ && ./minetest |
| 18:21 |
ANAND |
Did you check in <install_dir>/bin? :P |
| 18:21 |
IhrFussel |
My server is probably haunted |
| 18:21 |
Krock |
IhrFussel, hire ghostbusters |
| 18:21 |
rdococ |
ANAND: yes, Krock: you mean with terminal open? |
| 18:21 |
IhrFussel |
Players report random glass-breaking sounds and random steel ladder sounds |
| 18:22 |
Krock |
rdococ, either that or punch holes into the programming card to feed it to your computing machine |
| 18:23 |
ANAND |
IhrFussel: ambience detects the players surroundings to play an appropriate sound. My guess is that one of your mods is messing with this behaviour |
| 18:23 |
ANAND |
rdococ: Did you disable logging altogether, by chance? |
| 18:23 |
rdococ |
2018-06-06 19:23:05: ERROR[Main]: ServerError: AsyncErr: ServerThread::run Lua: Runtime error from mod '' in callback on_chat_message(): singleplayer |
| 18:24 |
ANAND |
mod's code please :) |
| 18:26 |
rdococ |
error occurs regardless of whether I have the debug chat messages or not... |
| 18:27 |
rdococ |
looks like I fixed that |
| 18:27 |
rdococ |
but the mod still doesn't seem to work, hm |
| 18:29 |
rdococ |
what, set_player_privs just seems to refuse to work |
| 18:31 |
rdococ |
can you not set player privs from on_grant? |
| 18:32 |
rubenwardy |
Sounds like a bad idea |
| 18:32 |
rubenwardy |
Infinite loop |
| 18:32 |
rdococ |
only if a metapriv tries to grant itself |
| 18:33 |
rdococ |
although you do make a good point, someone could rig a metapriv to grant itself recursively (either directly or non-directly) |
| 18:34 |
rdococ |
ugh, segfault again |
| 18:34 |
rdococ |
and my keys (E for inventory) don't save? |
| 18:35 |
rdococ |
minetest 0.5.0: the bug releaseâ„¢ (jk, ik it's dev) |
| 18:44 |
rdococ |
okay, now the privs keep being granted and revoked from me repeatedly for no reason like an infinite loop that smehow doesn't involve my code |
| 18:51 |
rdococ |
looks like I fixed it, hooyay |
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MinetestBot |
tenplus1: Jun-04 20:14 UTC <paramat> i'm going to start kicking you instead of warning because you are repeatedly and conciously breaking channel rules, and are one of the worst offenders. refusing to use more than 1 channel is lazy, rude and inconsiderate, this is not your personal channel. sorry to have to discipline :) |
| 19:25 |
tenplus1 |
hi folks |
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| 19:26 |
tenplus1 |
hey Krock |
| 19:26 |
Krock |
hi tenplus1 |
| 19:26 |
tenplus1 |
is anyone else having crashes with 0.4.17 on their servers ??? |
| 19:26 |
garywhite |
hello |
| 19:26 |
tenplus1 |
hi gary |
| 19:26 |
garywhite |
I keep getting timed out |
| 19:27 |
tenplus1 |
damn, so 0.4.17 isnt the great bugfix we were hoping for |
| 19:27 |
Krock |
tenplus1, Lua or C++ crash? |
| 19:27 |
Krock |
report it |
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| 19:28 |
tenplus1 |
c++, and I did: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/7419 |
| 19:28 |
tumeninodes |
hi tenplus1 |
| 19:28 |
tumeninodes |
HAAAAAAAAA!!! |
| 19:28 |
Fixer |
tenplus1: hi, please provide a backtrace of the crash |
| 19:28 |
Fixer |
tenplus1: somewhere on PPA there are debug builds that you can run under gdb |
| 19:29 |
Krock |
tenplus1, observed this bug too and didn't expect it to be present ni 0.4.17 too. https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/a1598e1b83e2#diff-4e3f0a64f234ea624dbf1b329eb56bd9R157 |
| 19:30 |
Krock |
caused by calling deprecated function in the Lua code directly without any callbacks |
| 19:30 |
Krock |
Fixer, no need for a backtrace in this case |
| 19:30 |
Fixer |
okay, nice |
| 19:30 |
Fixer |
i hope that can be fixed and point release redone |
| 19:30 |
sfan5 |
so why did nobody test backports before it was released? |
| 19:31 |
tenplus1 |
hi tumeninodes |
| 19:31 |
tenplus1 |
hey Fixer |
| 19:31 |
Fixer |
i don't run servers :} |
| 19:31 |
garywhite |
I thought you guys fixed the "up-arrow bug" from 0.4.16? |
| 19:31 |
tenplus1 |
we need a dev that has a server to test these things on |
| 19:31 |
Fixer |
sfan5: maybe minetest needs release candidates |
| 19:32 |
tenplus1 |
also what deprecated function ? can it be fixed in lua or does it have to be c++ |
| 19:32 |
sfan5 |
tenplus1: we have one, he's called rubenwardy |
| 19:32 |
tumeninodes |
sorry tenplus1, I see you're having a bad time. But I was over excited to beat you for once |
| 19:32 |
rubenwardy |
lol |
| 19:32 |
sfan5 |
Fixer: no, maybe server owners should actually participate in the dev process |
| 19:32 |
sfan5 |
i thought this was why -hub existrs |
| 19:32 |
tenplus1 |
lol tumeninodes, that's ok :) |
| 19:32 |
sfan5 |
s/rs$/s/ |
| 19:32 |
tumeninodes |
there should just be a dedicated dev server for all devs to use to test with |
| 19:33 |
tenplus1 |
we spend the evening updating xanadu to 0,4.17 only for this to crash and reset server on a loop... wasnt nice... had to return to 0.4.16 |
| 19:33 |
rubenwardy |
#dreambuilder https://i.rubenwardy.com/EaXMu.png |
| 19:33 |
Fixer |
sfan5: releasing RC and pushing it to people for few weeks is better IMO, people are scared to run git versions I guess |
| 19:33 |
sfan5 |
yes we should have done that |
| 19:33 |
Krock |
even with more weeks of testing/freezing phase this hadn't changed anything since the server owners rely on stable releases |
| 19:35 |
tumeninodes |
funny thing about bugs..., they multiply |
| 19:35 |
Krock |
rubenwardy, time for a megaworld modpack which at least includes dreambuilder and the top 100 mods used on servers |
| 19:35 |
garywhite |
2 questions, 1. I have to report the up-arrow bug again, I take it that should be filed under the program and not mt_game? and 2. It's still on GitHub, right? |
| 19:35 |
tenplus1 |
this is why binary builds would have been a great idea for testing rather than hoping ppl wouldb compile it themselves |
| 19:36 |
longerstaff13 |
garywhite: Microsoft bis acquiring github |
| 19:36 |
longerstaff13 |
is* |
| 19:36 |
garywhite |
I know |
| 19:36 |
sfan5 |
tenplus1: you host on windows, right? |
| 19:36 |
tenplus1 |
hell no... xubuntu 17.10 |
| 19:36 |
sfan5 |
hmm |
| 19:36 |
tenplus1 |
will update to 18.04 soon tho |
| 19:36 |
longerstaff13 |
lol |
| 19:37 |
sfan5 |
i remember one popular server using windows |
| 19:37 |
sfan5 |
tenplus1: in that case, we don't provide binary builds for linux and have never done so |
| 19:37 |
sfan5 |
wouldn't have helped here |
| 19:37 |
tenplus1 |
Clip's Server ran windows :) |
| 19:37 |
tenplus1 |
that was a while ago tho |
| 19:40 |
Krock |
Fixer, coming back to the gdb suggestion. In this case it would only help to see what Lua function is causing the crash - so the mod directory could be grep'ed to see which code line must be changed to work around it |
| 19:42 |
tumeninodes |
in other news, I guess I may as well, rebuild my own version of MTG over from scratch using 0.5.0-dev. Rebuilding it from 0.4.16 or 17 just doesn't seem to make sense at this stage |
| 19:42 |
Shara |
Really, even I'm not insane enough to host a server on windows :) |
| 19:42 |
Fixer |
maikerumine ran on windows |
| 19:43 |
garywhite |
I've done it temporarily on my laptop once I figured out port forwarding, it made the fan go to full speed with an external cooling fan attached |
| 19:43 |
tumeninodes |
there are some servers which run dev builds (which is insane) |
| 19:44 |
tenplus1 |
how stable is 0.5 just now ? |
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| 19:44 |
Shara |
garywhite: I've done small test servers on windows before, but I'd never run my actual real public MT servers from it |
| 19:45 |
tumeninodes |
I've had no issues with it, not sure I'd rely on it for a server though, with many players |
| 19:45 |
tenplus1 |
o/ shara |
| 19:45 |
Shara |
Hi 11 :) |
| 19:45 |
tenplus1 |
so the question is, will 0.4.17 have these bugs fixed and be re-released as stable 0.4.17.1 |
| 19:45 |
tumeninodes |
Hello madam Shara :D |
| 19:45 |
Shara |
Hi tumeninodes :D |
| 19:46 |
tumeninodes |
you mean a bug fix for the bug fix? |
| 19:46 |
tenplus1 |
this was meant to be a stable release |
| 19:46 |
tumeninodes |
bug fix release |
| 19:47 |
tumeninodes |
to fix quirky things |
| 19:47 |
tenplus1 |
oh this wasnt quirky, it was full blown crash loop |
| 19:47 |
Shara |
Well, lack of testers will lead to this... |
| 19:48 |
Shara |
But then ease of testing is an issue |
| 19:48 |
rdococ |
yay, 0.4.18 |
| 19:48 |
tenplus1 |
typically with 0.4.16 I tested dev versions on server as each deb came out and I was happy using it... with 0.4.16 nothing came out until the final release |
| 19:48 |
Shara |
I assume you mean with 0.4.17? |
| 19:48 |
Shara |
(for the second) |
| 19:48 |
tenplus1 |
ah yes |
| 19:48 |
tenplus1 |
my bad |
| 19:49 |
Shara |
We did actually update Dark Lands (or sniper did, because he's more awesome about this stuff than I am).. but I've been too busy to watch closely for errors. |
| 19:49 |
tenplus1 |
this is why we need pre-build binaries for testers, compiling yourself is a pain in the ass and most ppl cant be bothered doing it each update |
| 19:50 |
Shara |
Though I think if there had been major issues someone would have yelled at me. |
| 19:50 |
garywhite |
Minetest 0.4.18 Beta 1 |
| 19:50 |
tenplus1 |
lol gary |
| 19:50 |
tumeninodes |
idk, I completely moved all my folders, then did an update via ppa, and had weird shtuff going on. Had to wipe folders, uninstall and reinstall 2 times till it is all "normal" now I guess |
| 19:53 |
tumeninodes |
there were some changes I thought we're in 0.4.17 but realize now I was mistaken. |
| 19:55 |
tumeninodes |
tenplus1, have you tried using Calinou's portable build for 0.5.0? |
| 19:55 |
tenplus1 |
for linux ? |
| 19:55 |
tumeninodes |
yes |
| 19:55 |
tumeninodes |
https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=3837 |
| 19:55 |
tenplus1 |
not yet, portable would be kewl, run on place ? |
| 19:55 |
tumeninodes |
that is what rubenwardy pointed me to |
| 19:56 |
tenplus1 |
ohh, compile yourself build, gotcha... |
| 19:56 |
tumeninodes |
and updating is simply pull and make j-(how many cores) |
| 19:56 |
tenplus1 |
0.5 has daily builds for ubuntu/mint I can install and test |
| 19:57 |
tenplus1 |
no need to compile, only issue is now many servers using 0.5 and I cant connect to xanadu using it |
| 19:57 |
tumeninodes |
ahhh |
| 19:58 |
tumeninodes |
I have .minetest 0.4.17 , and minetest 0.5.0, which makes me happy |
| 19:59 |
sfan5 |
hm |
| 19:59 |
sfan5 |
there is no server that runs on windows in the top 40 |
| 20:00 |
rubenwardy |
good |
| 20:00 |
rubenwardy |
XD |
| 20:00 |
rdococ |
IIRC, latest 0.5.0-dev build has an error in builtin/game/register.lua:448. would do a PR but I'd probably fuck it up. |
| 20:00 |
tenplus1 |
heh |
| 20:01 |
tumeninodes |
how many windows servers are there? |
| 20:01 |
Krock |
too many |
| 20:01 |
tumeninodes |
ha |
| 20:01 |
rdococ |
it should be "not def["on_" .. method](name, caller) then" as opposed to "...def[priv]..." |
| 20:01 |
tumeninodes |
oh , that's good to know rdococ, thanks |
| 20:02 |
tenplus1 |
did you post issue or pull to fix it ? |
| 20:02 |
rdococ |
Was planning to post it as an issue |
| 20:02 |
sfan5 |
tumeninodes: a quick calculation says about 21 |
| 20:03 |
rdococ |
but couldn't find an issues section on gitlab? |
| 20:03 |
rubenwardy |
it's a mirror |
| 20:03 |
tenplus1 |
*shudder* gitlab |
| 20:03 |
tenplus1 |
no sir, I don't like it |
| 20:03 |
rdococ |
ah |
| 20:03 |
rdococ |
rubenwardy: so it's tsetenim |
| 20:03 |
tumeninodes |
that's a pretty low count considering how many servers but, pretty reasonable for a mostly Linux project |
| 20:04 |
Krock |
rdococ, no it's Wá´‰uÇʇÇsʇ |
| 20:04 |
tumeninodes |
bugtest |
| 20:05 |
rdococ |
ʇsÇʇÇuıɯ |
| 20:05 |
tumeninodes |
is the Russian? |
| 20:05 |
tumeninodes |
:P |
| 20:05 |
rdococ |
ʇuck |
| 20:05 |
rdococ |
yʇy! |
| 20:06 |
tumeninodes |
I'm gonna piss everyone off and go with sourceforge ; ) |
| 20:06 |
tenplus1 |
why not, was the biggest before github :) |
| 20:07 |
tumeninodes |
deal with it 8^) |
| 20:07 |
tenplus1 |
am thinking of notabug.org , I find it familiar and fast/simple to use |
| 20:07 |
tumeninodes |
if no one has checked lately, sourceforge has made some changes and is trying to cashin on this whole thing too |
| 20:08 |
tumeninodes |
https://sourceforge.net/ |
| 20:08 |
tumeninodes |
a migrate tool n everthang |
| 20:09 |
rdococ |
lol, I wonder what other sites are trying to cash in on this |
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| 20:09 |
tenplus1 |
hi Gael-de-Sailly |
| 20:09 |
tenplus1 |
hi mister |
| 20:09 |
rubenwardy |
VanessaE: congratulations |
| 20:09 |
Mr_Pardison |
Hiya the |
| 20:10 |
VanessaE |
? |
| 20:10 |
rubenwardy |
this is package 200: https://content.minetest.net/packages/VanessaE/nixie_tubes/ |
| 20:10 |
Mr_Pardison |
*10+1 |
| 20:10 |
VanessaE |
oh heh |
| 20:10 |
tumeninodes |
Hi Vanessa (big hug) yes, it's awkward.., just go with it |
| 20:10 |
tumeninodes |
:D |
| 20:11 |
VanessaE |
hugs are fine :) |
| 20:11 |
Mr_Pardison |
Everyone needs a hug every so often |
| 20:11 |
tumeninodes |
hugs are awesome..., unless they're not |
| 20:11 |
tenplus1 |
hi Vanessa |
| 20:11 |
VanessaE |
hi |
| 20:12 |
tenplus1 |
are your servers on 0.4.17 yet ? |
| 20:12 |
VanessaE |
they're late 0.4.x, but not 0.4.17-release |
| 20:13 |
VanessaE |
*checks* |
| 20:13 |
VanessaE |
3d0617c9 (Feb. 2) |
| 20:13 |
tenplus1 |
yeah, xanadu is back on 0.4.16 july 19th |
| 20:13 |
VanessaE |
ok, maybe not so late. |
| 20:13 |
VanessaE |
but, they're stable, no reason to update right now. |
| 20:14 |
tumeninodes |
afk |
| 20:15 |
rdococ |
#7421 |
| 20:15 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/7421 -- on_grant and on_revoke callback bug |
| 20:16 |
rdococ |
OOH, nixie tube mod! |
| 20:17 |
tenplus1 |
saw that, looked pretty good :) |
| 20:18 |
rdococ |
the idea of tiny vacuum tubes is also cool |
| 20:18 |
VanessaE |
you never noticed it before, rdococ? |
| 20:18 |
rdococ |
? |
| 20:18 |
VanessaE |
nixies. |
| 20:18 |
rdococ |
yes, they do resemble vacuum tubes |
| 20:19 |
VanessaE |
I mean the mod |
| 20:19 |
rdococ |
how old is the mod? |
| 20:19 |
VanessaE |
um.. |
| 20:19 |
tenplus1 |
20 years and 3 days |
| 20:19 |
rdococ |
ah |
| 20:19 |
VanessaE |
about 2 years |
| 20:19 |
VanessaE |
almost to the daty |
| 20:20 |
VanessaE |
day* |
| 20:20 |
tenplus1 |
damn I was so close |
| 20:20 |
VanessaE |
June 9 2015 |
| 20:20 |
rdococ |
ooh, in 3 days it'll be the mod's birthday |
| 20:20 |
Gael-de-Sailly |
so 3 years? |
| 20:20 |
Krock |
tenplus1, just a zero off |
| 20:20 |
VanessaE |
huh, yeah almost 3 years |
| 20:20 |
Krock |
it's 2017 where VanessaE lives. TIme zones. |
| 20:20 |
rdococ |
happy early birthday to nixie_tubes |
| 20:21 |
tenplus1 |
yeh... better watch my offtopic, Paramat has already said he'd kick my ass |
| 20:21 |
VanessaE |
no, gitlab just rounded the interval down :P |
| 20:21 |
Krock |
like literally |
| 20:21 |
rdococ |
if paramat kicks your ass then I'm using paramaters in my functions |
| 20:21 |
tenplus1 |
lol |
| 20:22 |
Krock |
rdococ, keep all relevant information in a global table called "minetest" |
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| 20:22 |
rdococ |
lol |
| 20:22 |
VanessaE |
so I guess this is the wrong place to mention random crap about my 3d printer, like how it just finished a part. :) |
| 20:22 |
* VanessaE |
pokes tenplus1 |
| 20:22 |
VanessaE |
:) |
| 20:22 |
rdococ |
3d print a 3d printer |
| 20:22 |
Krock |
when it's built with pistons everything's fine |
| 20:22 |
tenplus1 |
so long as the 3d printer is running in minetest, let's talk :PP |
| 20:22 |
* tenplus1 |
wishes he had one |
| 20:23 |
VanessaE |
there's one on my creative server I think :) |
| 20:23 |
rdococ |
if 3d printers can't print themselves, that's kinda sad. humans can print themselves and they're not even printers! |
| 20:23 |
rdococ |
okay, well, it's not an exact replica but you get my point. |
| 20:23 |
tenplus1 |
what did you print Vanessa ? |
| 20:24 |
VanessaE |
tenplus1: some bearing mounts... for the printer that printed them ;) |
| 20:24 |
VanessaE |
(doing some upgrades later) |
| 20:24 |
Mr_Pardison |
Lol |
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* tenplus1 |
would so print a million keyrings :D |
| 20:26 |
Mr_Pardison |
I would print some helpful mobs. |
| 20:26 |
tenplus1 |
aww, a mini lava flan night-light... that woudl be soo cute |
| 20:26 |
VanessaE |
I printed pipeworks pipes a while back :) |
| 20:27 |
tenplus1 |
can place him next to vanessa's pipeworks prints |
| 20:27 |
tenplus1 |
yeah, saw those :) kewl |
| 20:27 |
VanessaE |
https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:2640546 |
| 20:27 |
VanessaE |
(just to try to steer this back to MT-related :) ) |
| 20:28 |
tenplus1 |
VanessaE: I made a part for 3d pipeworks: https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:1778066 |
| 20:28 |
VanessaE |
heh |
| 20:30 |
benrob0329 |
minetest toys when? :PP |
| 20:30 |
rdococ |
> minetest lego mesecon wire that actually works < |
| 20:31 |
tenplus1 |
hi benrob, also yeah. that woudl be a kewl thing... we'd prolly all buy some |
| 20:31 |
Mr_Pardison |
Lego my eggo |
| 20:31 |
rdococ |
a mesecon brick would come in shapes such as straight, t junction, etc. and would have two copper tubes to make a circuit |
| 20:31 |
Mr_Pardison |
Id buy some |
| 20:32 |
rdococ |
although if you have wire that goes to a dead end you'd have to cap it off with something to connect the two wires so it forms a complete circuit |
| 20:33 |
tenplus1 |
dungeon master sentry toy that makes a sound when someone enters :DDDD |
| 20:33 |
rdococ |
dun dun yay |
| 20:33 |
Mr_Pardison |
I would sooooo get that |
| 20:33 |
tenplus1 |
mese monster bath toy to float around and squirt out water |
| 20:34 |
rdococ |
real life luacontrollers |
| 20:34 |
rdococ |
with digiline lego support |
| 20:34 |
tenplus1 |
yeah, teach kids electronics the simple way |
| 20:34 |
tenplus1 |
comes complete with lagg :P |
| 20:35 |
rdococ |
it'd be fun to have a slightly more realistic electric system |
| 20:35 |
rdococ |
e.g. if they actually had to be complete circuits |
| 20:36 |
Mr_Pardison |
rdococ: for technic cabling to work, there has to be a switching station. |
| 20:37 |
tenplus1 |
ooh, dirt monster garden ornament.... and sand monster kitty litter item |
| 20:38 |
tenplus1 |
nite folks o/ |
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rdococ |
Mr_Pardison: technic isn't for computing though, it's for transferring energy to machines |
| 20:42 |
rdococ |
there's no, say, technic 'and' gate or whatever |
| 20:43 |
Mr_Pardison |
Yeah. Just said as an example of wiring |
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lisac |
http://www.darklegacycomics.com/548 |
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lisac |
ooops |
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lisac |
wrong channel |
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Mr_Pardison |
Hello lisac |
| 20:53 |
lisac |
hey Mr_Pardison |
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rdococ |
Hello. Two lifeforms registered as present. |
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rdococ |
lisac: that page crashes the tab |
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garywhite |
I have an issue. Does this sound server or client-side: When I enter a 0.4.17 server on my 0.4.17 client, the server lags & crashes out, but when I was using 0.4.16 just a few hours ago, no issues. |
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longerstaff13 |
I'm having no issues and I have 0.4.17 on my laptop |
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rdococ |
longerstaff13: I think the problem is the 0.4.17 server |
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rubenwardy |
https://github.com/rubenwardy/rubix_kernel |
| 22:36 |
longerstaff13 |
rdococ: oh probably |
| 22:37 |
longerstaff13 |
yeah cause the server keeps crashing when players other than garywhite join |
| 22:37 |
longerstaff13 |
only some players though |
| 22:37 |
longerstaff13 |
s/other than/aswell as/ |
