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02:03 jas_ +Krock>jas_, could it be that you used it on your server? <-- i've never tried toolranks mod, but i'm definitely interested in doing so.  i'll first see how it interacts with xdecor/enchanting, as that adds 7 additional tools for each material, with different properties and values.  i haven't done anything with player stats, yet, but toolranks is aligned with my goal there.
02:11 jas_ also lisac every time i see your name i think of a time during lumaria server i got mad at a player for killing me and taking my stuff, and eradicated all their stuff -- if that was you i am sorry.  *smile*  Dragonop was mad at me for that, i think, and i never forgot it.
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09:21 shivajiva online player caching added to sauth mod
09:46 Calinou morning :)
09:47 Calinou I'm considering switching to Firefox Nightly (from Chromium dev builds)
09:47 Calinou it seems to be quite fast now, however, scrolling is much smoother once you've scrolled using the touchscreen at least once, for some reason
09:47 Calinou it's still ok if you don't do that, but it's better if you do use it
09:47 Calinou (then you can scroll using any other method on the page)
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09:52 tenplus1 hi folks
09:52 Calinou hi tenplus1, I'm switching to Firefox Nightly as main browser :P
09:52 Calinou I imported stuff from Chromium, should make the transition easier
09:52 Calinou (heh, I've never used the automatic import before)
09:52 tenplus1 hi Cal... nice, gto update for bunts int he last new days
09:53 tenplus1 am on ff 56 and chromium 61
09:53 Calinou Nightly is 58 right now, I also have Chromium dev build which is 63 right now
09:54 tenplus1 ff 56 already uses a lot less memory when browsing, was impressed :) what new stuff they added since then ?
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09:57 tenplus1 wb amaz
09:57 Amaz Thanks :)
10:01 shivajiva Hi tenplus, Amaz o/
10:02 tenplus1 hi shiva :P
10:02 Raven262 Hi tenplus1, shivajiva, Amaz, Calinou.
10:02 shivajiva Calinou, Raven o/
10:02 tenplus1 hi raven
10:06 Amaz Hi shiva, hi raven!
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10:33 tenplus1 hi fixer
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11:05 Fixer hello
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11:33 tenplus1 hi Megaf
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11:36 tenplus1 hi thomas
11:36 ThomasMonroe hi tenplus1
11:37 tenplus1 o/
11:37 ThomasMonroe \o
11:37 tenplus1 o------------@   <-- holding apple
11:37 tenplus1 long arm :D
11:38 ThomasMonroe <O/       <-- Dab
11:39 tenplus1 w00t!
11:42 Fuchs <''3  <-- chicken
11:43 tenplus1 hi Fuchs
11:43 Fuchs hi :)
11:45 tenplus1 =^..^=   cat
11:45 shivajiva Hi Fuchs o/
11:46 Fuchs yes, hello :)
11:46 shivajiva tenplus, copied your example and I get a button but no form when pressed, just normal inventory, is there something that needs to be included in the formspec?
11:47 tenplus1 remember the on_player_receive_fields bit
11:48 tenplus1 when you click the registered button it sends it to received fields, if fields.home_gui for example is pressed then you inventory_plus.set_inventory_formspec(player, home_gui.get_formspec(player))
11:49 Megaf hey all
11:49 ThomasMonroe hey
11:50 shivajiva thanks ten :)
11:51 tenplus1 that way you always have a live formspec that's updated easily :P
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11:53 tenplus1 hi caleb
11:53 CalebDavis hi ten
11:55 tenplus1 back laters, grocery shopping a-hoy!
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12:04 IhrFussel Hi guys
12:06 Raven262 Hi IhrFussel
12:06 Raven262 Hi Megaf
12:08 IhrFussel Shara, you once suggested that I should display the quest info in an inventory page and I figured out how to do that now ... the HUD for it has been removed
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12:18 Calinou celeron55: wiki.minetest.net has a valid TLS certificate (Let's Encrypt), but dev.minetest.net has a self-signed one
12:18 Calinou (it works if you add an exception, else, you get an error)
12:18 Calinou can a LE certificate be added to dev.minetest.net?
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12:19 nerzhul rubenwardy, thanks for the label :)
12:20 lisac <jas_> also lisac every time i see your name i think of a time during lumaria server i got mad at a player for killing me and taking my stuff, and eradicated all their stuff -- if that was you i am sorry.  *smile*  Dragonop was mad at me for that, i think, and i never forgot it.
12:21 lisac I don't recall :)
12:21 lisac but then, I was in MT for about 3 years
12:27 celeron55 Calinou: it's been the next item on my to-do list since i did wiki.minetest.net
12:30 Fixer for years ofc
12:31 jas_ i wonder if dev wiki can be merged into regular wiki
12:35 Calinou celeron55: ok, thanks
12:35 Calinou you should use the same certificate for all subdomains, adding several subdomains to it at once :)
12:35 Calinou (easier to maintain)
12:35 Calinou LE will add wildcard certificates in January 2018, too
12:36 celeron55 well that's more maintenance than just adding a new certificate to every subdomain
12:36 celeron55 changing all the previous ones that is
12:37 Calinou yeah, I switched from per-subdomain-certificate to one-certificate-for-all-subdomains recently
12:37 Calinou it's much cleaner, and makes renewals minutely faster :P
12:37 Calinou (and it's harder to hit rate limits)
12:37 celeron55 doing that is maintenance
12:37 celeron55 and i hate maintenance
12:38 Calinou I also enabled HSTS and forward secrecy :P
12:38 Calinou so I get A+ on SSL Labs now
12:38 Calinou (this isn't compatible with IE8 + Windows XP, though)
12:41 celeron55 i'll do that once i begin to host the planning of an attack against the US government on minetest.net
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12:46 Dumbeldor stop flood nerzhul :D
12:46 nerzhul ?
12:46 Dumbeldor deco reco x)
12:52 IhrFussel Can someone explain to me how this code can take up to 300ms to execute? https://pastebin.com/CXBPpVM0
12:53 Jordach Calinou, internet upgrade to 300/30 incoming later
12:53 * Jordach waits for gigabit next year
12:53 Jordach >tfw 99% faster than the rest of GB
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12:56 Calinou Jordach: nice, I still have 11/1 here
12:56 Calinou this is what we have in France for FTTH right now:
12:56 Calinou https://media.hugo.pro/fire​fox_2017-10-11_14-56-34.png
12:56 Calinou 100/100, 200/100 or 500/200 depending on the price you pay
12:56 Calinou (check the small price below the big orange one, for the real price :P)
12:57 Calinou also, wow, they increased the price a lot :O
12:57 Jordach Virgin Media offered us free weekend calls, TiVO and 300/30 for £53
12:57 Calinou Orange Jet used to be €43/month, now it's €53/month
12:57 Calinou (+€3/month for renting the router for both)
12:58 Calinou >TiVO
12:58 Calinou how's the GPLv3? :D
12:59 Jordach Calinou, hue
13:01 Jordach i've got no interest in TV anymore
13:02 Jordach if i really wanted to, i'd browse TVtropes instead
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13:24 lisac I wonder if I could make my indicator LED make lightshows
13:24 lisac on my phone
13:24 lisac that would be fun
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15:18 red-001 nerzhul, the protocol rewrite seems to work a lot better now
15:21 nerzhul red-001, oh you tested it ? :)
15:21 nerzhul you mean works better than first stage or better than legacy MT protocol v1 ? :p
15:21 nerzhul there are two concurrency crash on shared_ptr, difficult to track but yes it works nice
15:22 red-001 better then the first stage, seems to work about as well as MT proto v1 right now
15:22 Fixer Calinou: now, review MTG
15:22 red-001 kinda hard to tell tbh
15:22 red-001 It would be useful to stress test both protocols and see which one handles it better
15:24 red-001 nerzhul, how resource intensive would it be to keep enough of the old protocol to tell people using old clients that thier minetest version is outdated?
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15:28 Fixer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sq3jvp1xgOU this applies not only to Thinkpads
15:33 nerzhul red-001, not really possible without re-add the whole old stack just to send access de nid packet
15:33 nerzhul denied*
15:39 Krock (╯° °)╯︵ ┻━┻
15:45 Fixer ┬──┬◡ノ(° -°ノ)
15:46 Megaf oh now, Jordach has fallen!
15:46 Megaf Somebody help him!
15:46 Megaf s/now/no
15:49 Krock Fixer, don't put the table back! It's flipped for a reason
15:49 Megaf Spiders?
15:53 Krock huh? no
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16:05 Megaf Cya all
16:05 Krock cya
16:26 sofar IhrFussel: doing io.open/write/close every 5 ticks for 10 players seems overkill
16:27 IhrFussel sofar, it's every 5 secs but maybe still a bit much
16:27 sofar not sure why you can't keep that info in memory either
16:27 IhrFussel But 10 times io.open() in a row shouldn't take 300 ms
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16:28 IhrFussel sofar, cause I need the value for the website...it displays the ingame online list and I want website users to see who's idle
16:35 Krock you could write it to a ramdisk using symlinks if it has to be in a file
16:37 Krock it's most likely the write speed - not the io.open/io.close stuff
16:39 Krock dunno how much data it is, so I'm guessing ^
16:43 IhrFussel Krock, it's a simple timestamp it stores per player
16:44 IhrFussel 10 chars per file that's why I find it to be extremely slow
16:49 Jordach Calinou, http://beta.speedtest.net/result/6698220911.png
16:51 Jordach http://www.speedtest.net/result/6698369411.png
16:54 Krock Jordach, here's mine.. slightly different http://krock-works.16mb.com/u/s​peedof.me_history_17-10-11.pdf
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18:23 Calinou speedof.me isn't great, I heard
18:24 Calinou (not reliable for fast connections)
18:24 Calinou heh, speedof.me reports 1.35 Mb/s download here
18:24 Calinou Krock: http://beta.speedtest.net/ doesn't require Flash
18:25 Jordach http://speedof.me/show.php​?img=171011182542-2618.png
18:26 Calinou http://beta.speedtest.net/result/6698643047.png
18:26 Calinou I'm still slightly above French average :P
18:26 Calinou Jordach: hmm, that's strange
18:26 Jordach Calinou, >tfw 76ms ping to us east
18:26 Calinou I never get 36 ms ping in games, though
18:27 Calinou the best I see in games is around 48-50
18:27 Calinou it's ok, but not great by today's standards
18:27 Calinou also, some games don't have any popular servers close to me
18:27 Calinou (like Quake 2, I have 85 ms at best)
18:29 Dumbeldor http://beta.speedtest.net/result/6698651431.png
18:29 Dumbeldor :)
18:29 Calinou heh, in June 2017 I've done 64/31 on 4G+ with Free
18:29 Calinou at my former university
18:30 Calinou 17/38 at my university Wi-Fi, too
18:30 Calinou (higher upload than download, as usual)
18:32 Calinou https://pic.nperf.com/r/183773872-OjZ9c4aV.png
18:32 Calinou (test from https://www.nperf.com/)
18:32 Calinou >uses Firefox Nightly with new fancy logo
18:32 Calinou >result image displays Firefox 3.x logo
18:51 nerzhul Calinou, http://beta.speedtest.net/fr/result/6698711727
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18:57 lisac Calinou, what is the oldest book you ever saw?
18:57 lisac as in, the oldest printed book
18:58 Dumbeldor Nice nerzhul :D
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19:01 Calinou lisac: I don't know… my parents have many books from the 70s or so
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19:42 sofar lol
19:43 sofar never been to a museum?
19:43 sofar I think I've seen handcopied books from 7-8 centuries ago, and much older scrolls
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19:46 Calinou no, I haven't been into traditional museums much
19:46 Calinou I've been to a D-Day museum last summer, though
19:46 Calinou I've seen real MP40s and Thompsons!
19:50 Calinou and the Sten! (http://users.kymp.net/feuer/etcomic/062.jpg)
20:08 Megaf oldest book I saw is from 800
20:08 Megaf 1217 years old
20:09 Megaf This is it https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Kells
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21:48 rubenwardy !title https://github.com/minetes​t/minetest/commit/8eb7ddb0
21:48 ShadowBot rubenwardy: Remove new_style_water · minetest/minetest@8eb7ddb · GitHub
21:48 rubenwardy :'(
21:52 Calinou it didn't work with smooth lighting, also, shaders can be used to replicate this
21:52 Calinou (like waving water, but not waving and just offset downwards)
21:53 rubenwardy just found waving water
21:53 rubenwardy forgot about that
21:59 Calinou :'( I double-posted a comment on Reddit, and one of them got a downvote
21:59 Calinou never gonna vote you up, never gonna vote you down…
22:13 * Shara still dreams of nice water shaders...
22:20 Natechip my server MM-Survival is shutting down today. just if anyone is wondering
22:44 Megaf you mean, like, forever?
22:44 red-001 Natechip, as in shutting down permanently?
22:45 Megaf red-001, did you just read the message now or just took your time to come up with something to write?
22:45 red-001 just read it
22:45 Megaf ok
22:45 Natechip Megaf, red-001 forever
22:49 Megaf Natechip, how old is it?
22:50 Natechip Megaf: I say just over a year, maybe a year in a half
22:50 Shara How come you're shutting it?
22:51 Natechip Shara: I reset it before bc the map got corrupted. this time all auth files got corrupted and player files, it wiped all the passwords, causing ppl getting stolen from and accounts taken.
22:52 Natechip not much I can do to come back from it
22:52 Natechip ppl were not happy last time I reset
22:52 Megaf backup?
22:52 Megaf thats just your typical Minetest reliability
22:52 Natechip Megaf: no backup, since it just got moved to a new host
22:52 Megaf good admins expect Minetest to breake
22:53 Natechip the thing is
22:53 Megaf I recovered my server from backups several times
22:53 Natechip I did have backups
22:53 Natechip but
22:53 Natechip the server got so filled up with files that the server wouldnt boot any servers. there were 3 on the same one
22:53 Megaf and I do full backups, I backup the whole home folder where the server is and monthly a whole OS snapshot.
22:54 Natechip so we switched to a new server
22:54 Natechip and it got corrupted a few days later
22:54 Megaf sad
22:54 Natechip also the server isnt as playable and doesnt have many players anymore
22:55 Megaf meh, my server has no players at all currently
22:55 Megaf its nof even online xP
22:55 Natechip lol
22:56 Megaf I got so disapointed and frustrated with Minetest that I dont havve much will to keep investing my time and money on it
22:56 Megaf Minetest realy sucks
22:57 Shara Natechip: I lost my auth file to corruption just a few days back. It was annoying, but already recoered
22:57 Megaf and so does other Free Software I love
22:57 Shara recovered*
22:57 Natechip Shara: too late for me now
22:57 Natechip I got 1 minute left X
22:57 Natechip XD
22:57 Shara Ewww... that sucks.
22:58 * Natechip shrugs
22:59 Natechip I rlly am not enjoying the server anymore nor happy with it
22:59 Natechip im making a new one anyways, something different
23:00 Megaf https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99o7YO7y6dE
23:00 Megaf cute
23:01 Natechip MM-Survival has quit (Quit: Game shutting down.)
23:01 Natechip do dooo dooooo
23:03 jas_ just start a brand new stock mt-0.4.17 server with no mods and give it a new name.
23:03 jas_ WW-Surwiwal
23:03 jas_ no too obvious
23:04 jas_ also backup every 24hours, so that's the most anyone will ever lose.  yeah, it sucks, but it doesn't _always_ happen.
23:06 jas_ coulda just backported to 0.4.16 and pulled a debian with minetest-0.4.16-1, minetest-0.4.16-2, etc.  too late now i think haha
23:06 Natechip jas_ no mods? are u crazy? XD
23:06 jas_ what no
23:06 jas_ i'm not joking around, here
23:06 Natechip ooh
23:06 jas_ start bare
23:06 Natechip i was ganna say
23:06 jas_ add as needed
23:06 jas_ obv protection is a 1st choice
23:06 jas_ just, go slow
23:07 jas_ (mapgen and some other stuff needs to be there in the beginning, but that's different.)
23:07 * jas_ loves a good stock minetest
23:09 Megaf !up mt.megaf.info 30008
23:09 ShadowBot Megaf: mt.megaf.info port 30008 is up (8933us)
23:09 Megaf thats a server for you jas_
23:09 red-001 you might be one of the first jas_
23:09 jas_ i like to go for a bit without protection, especially because with no mods, there's not much to protect
23:09 jas_ that's how i generally started servers in the past, like amhi started as a stock minetest.
23:09 Megaf (8933us)? What kind of number is that?
23:10 jas_ yes, that's me
23:10 jas_ haha
23:10 Megaf jas_, really mt.megaf.info 30008 = stock minetest = mobs and farming replace with tenplus1 farming
23:10 Megaf but its just a test server, and its unlisted
23:10 jas_ yeah but how many servers do you have up, megaf?
23:10 jas_ so there you go
23:11 jas_ i'm going to run a stock minetest server if you don't
23:11 jas_ you can help me if you want
23:11 jas_ (yes, i am bullshitting all night.)
23:11 Megaf I have a new one coming
23:11 red-001 failed µs?
23:11 jas_ oh baby
23:11 Megaf jas_, my new server will be stock Minetest but with some mods
23:11 Megaf almost none
23:11 red-001 but that would be too short to make sense for ping time
23:12 Megaf jas_, for me mesecons, areas, pipeworks and currency are a must
23:12 jas_ Megaf: stock minetest doesn't
23:12 jas_ no
23:12 jas_ i'm speechless
23:12 jas_ STOCK
23:12 Megaf ok man, I can do a stock + areas server
23:12 jas_ as in, minetest+minetest_game as they are on github
23:12 jas_ nooooo
23:12 Megaf jas_, I used to run a Minetest Minimal server
23:12 jas_ not areasssss
23:12 Megaf with no areas
23:13 jas_ nothing, absolutely no mods whatsoever
23:13 jas_ default config
23:13 jas_ don't even change a setting!
23:13 jas_ just announce
23:13 jas_ and wait
23:14 Megaf thats how I create my server... and add mods on the go...
23:14 jas_ ^5
23:14 Megaf not a popular thing...
23:14 Megaf since they are always empty
23:14 jas_ but don't add areas on a survival server, just protector redo
23:14 jas_ because it's an in-game item you craft and place
23:14 Megaf protector really sucks
23:14 red-001 ^
23:14 jas_ if areas had nodes you crafted and had to place
23:14 jas_ yes, protector is the worst
23:14 Megaf had several crashes caused by protector
23:14 jas_ but it's also the only one
23:15 jas_ i glued protector to areas separately, recently, it was easy
23:15 jas_ place two nodes, A and B and use formspec to "set area"
23:15 Megaf the bad thing about protector is the nodes, people live nodes everywhere
23:15 Megaf its a mess
23:15 jas_ but the protection itself should be in-game somehow
23:15 Megaf I hate mess
23:15 jas_ yes, i know.  i got no answers there
23:15 jas_ it's a problem
23:15 Megaf I protect the areas myself
23:15 jas_ or a challenge, needs solving
23:15 Megaf on request
23:15 Megaf all thoudands of them
23:16 jas_ areas is commands, not survivalesque, you don't earn the protection
23:16 jas_ you just issue it with a priv, or setting
23:16 jas_ and that's another level up from in-game stuff
23:16 Megaf thats why I do on request
23:16 jas_ i am imagining a terminal, a player types into, like the computer node, and protect with this
23:16 jas_ true, but think of the player
23:16 Megaf it has to be worth getting the protection
23:16 jas_ don't think of the admin
23:16 Megaf I will not protect a coble box
23:17 jas_ why would you?
23:17 jas_ that's the player's job
23:17 jas_ and as they grow, so do your servers
23:17 jas_ welp, i'm done waxing, gonna play now
23:30 Natechip jas_ minetest?
23:53 shivajiva rubenwardy: update sauth to latest pls
23:54 shivajiva found and fixed a crash in create_auth

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