Time Nick Message 02:03 jas_ +Krock> jas_, could it be that you used it on your server? <-- i've never tried toolranks mod, but i'm definitely interested in doing so. i'll first see how it interacts with xdecor/enchanting, as that adds 7 additional tools for each material, with different properties and values. i haven't done anything with player stats, yet, but toolranks is aligned with my goal there. 02:11 jas_ also lisac every time i see your name i think of a time during lumaria server i got mad at a player for killing me and taking my stuff, and eradicated all their stuff -- if that was you i am sorry. *smile* Dragonop was mad at me for that, i think, and i never forgot it. 09:21 shivajiva online player caching added to sauth mod 09:46 Calinou morning :) 09:47 Calinou I'm considering switching to Firefox Nightly (from Chromium dev builds) 09:47 Calinou it seems to be quite fast now, however, scrolling is much smoother once you've scrolled using the touchscreen at least once, for some reason 09:47 Calinou it's still ok if you don't do that, but it's better if you do use it 09:47 Calinou (then you can scroll using any other method on the page) 09:52 tenplus1 hi folks 09:52 Calinou hi tenplus1, I'm switching to Firefox Nightly as main browser :P 09:52 Calinou I imported stuff from Chromium, should make the transition easier 09:52 Calinou (heh, I've never used the automatic import before) 09:52 tenplus1 hi Cal... nice, gto update for bunts int he last new days 09:53 tenplus1 am on ff 56 and chromium 61 09:53 Calinou Nightly is 58 right now, I also have Chromium dev build which is 63 right now 09:54 tenplus1 ff 56 already uses a lot less memory when browsing, was impressed :) what new stuff they added since then ? 09:57 tenplus1 wb amaz 09:57 Amaz Thanks :) 10:01 shivajiva Hi tenplus, Amaz o/ 10:02 tenplus1 hi shiva :P 10:02 Raven262 Hi tenplus1, shivajiva, Amaz, Calinou. 10:02 shivajiva Calinou, Raven o/ 10:02 tenplus1 hi raven 10:06 Amaz Hi shiva, hi raven! 10:33 tenplus1 hi fixer 11:05 Fixer hello 11:33 tenplus1 hi Megaf 11:36 tenplus1 hi thomas 11:36 ThomasMonroe hi tenplus1 11:37 tenplus1 o/ 11:37 ThomasMonroe \o 11:37 tenplus1 o------------@ <-- holding apple 11:37 tenplus1 long arm :D 11:38 ThomasMonroe also lisac every time i see your name i think of a time during lumaria server i got mad at a player for killing me and taking my stuff, and eradicated all their stuff -- if that was you i am sorry. *smile* Dragonop was mad at me for that, i think, and i never forgot it. 12:21 lisac I don't recall :) 12:21 lisac but then, I was in MT for about 3 years 12:27 celeron55 Calinou: it's been the next item on my to-do list since i did wiki.minetest.net 12:30 Fixer for years ofc 12:31 jas_ i wonder if dev wiki can be merged into regular wiki 12:35 Calinou celeron55: ok, thanks 12:35 Calinou you should use the same certificate for all subdomains, adding several subdomains to it at once :) 12:35 Calinou (easier to maintain) 12:35 Calinou LE will add wildcard certificates in January 2018, too 12:36 celeron55 well that's more maintenance than just adding a new certificate to every subdomain 12:36 celeron55 changing all the previous ones that is 12:37 Calinou yeah, I switched from per-subdomain-certificate to one-certificate-for-all-subdomains recently 12:37 Calinou it's much cleaner, and makes renewals minutely faster :P 12:37 Calinou (and it's harder to hit rate limits) 12:37 celeron55 doing that is maintenance 12:37 celeron55 and i hate maintenance 12:38 Calinou I also enabled HSTS and forward secrecy :P 12:38 Calinou so I get A+ on SSL Labs now 12:38 Calinou (this isn't compatible with IE8 + Windows XP, though) 12:41 celeron55 i'll do that once i begin to host the planning of an attack against the US government on minetest.net 12:46 Dumbeldor stop flood nerzhul :D 12:46 nerzhul ? 12:46 Dumbeldor deco reco x) 12:52 IhrFussel Can someone explain to me how this code can take up to 300ms to execute? https://pastebin.com/CXBPpVM0 12:53 Jordach Calinou, internet upgrade to 300/30 incoming later 12:53 * Jordach waits for gigabit next year 12:53 Jordach >tfw 99% faster than the rest of GB 12:56 Calinou Jordach: nice, I still have 11/1 here 12:56 Calinou this is what we have in France for FTTH right now: 12:56 Calinou https://media.hugo.pro/firefox_2017-10-11_14-56-34.png 12:56 Calinou 100/100, 200/100 or 500/200 depending on the price you pay 12:56 Calinou (check the small price below the big orange one, for the real price :P) 12:57 Calinou also, wow, they increased the price a lot :O 12:57 Jordach Virgin Media offered us free weekend calls, TiVO and 300/30 for £53 12:57 Calinou Orange Jet used to be €43/month, now it's €53/month 12:57 Calinou (+€3/month for renting the router for both) 12:58 Calinou >TiVO 12:58 Calinou how's the GPLv3? :D 12:59 Jordach Calinou, hue 13:01 Jordach i've got no interest in TV anymore 13:02 Jordach if i really wanted to, i'd browse TVtropes instead 13:24 lisac I wonder if I could make my indicator LED make lightshows 13:24 lisac on my phone 13:24 lisac that would be fun 15:18 red-001 nerzhul, the protocol rewrite seems to work a lot better now 15:21 nerzhul red-001, oh you tested it ? :) 15:21 nerzhul you mean works better than first stage or better than legacy MT protocol v1 ? :p 15:21 nerzhul there are two concurrency crash on shared_ptr, difficult to track but yes it works nice 15:22 red-001 better then the first stage, seems to work about as well as MT proto v1 right now 15:22 Fixer Calinou: now, review MTG 15:22 red-001 kinda hard to tell tbh 15:22 red-001 It would be useful to stress test both protocols and see which one handles it better 15:24 red-001 nerzhul, how resource intensive would it be to keep enough of the old protocol to tell people using old clients that thier minetest version is outdated? 15:28 Fixer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sq3jvp1xgOU this applies not only to Thinkpads 15:33 nerzhul red-001, not really possible without re-add the whole old stack just to send access de nid packet 15:33 nerzhul denied* 15:39 Krock (╯° °）╯︵ ┻━┻ 15:45 Fixer ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ) 15:46 Megaf oh now, Jordach has fallen! 15:46 Megaf Somebody help him! 15:46 Megaf s/now/no 15:49 Krock Fixer, don't put the table back! It's flipped for a reason 15:49 Megaf Spiders? 15:53 Krock huh? no 16:05 Megaf Cya all 16:05 Krock cya 16:26 sofar IhrFussel: doing io.open/write/close every 5 ticks for 10 players seems overkill 16:27 IhrFussel sofar, it's every 5 secs but maybe still a bit much 16:27 sofar not sure why you can't keep that info in memory either 16:27 IhrFussel But 10 times io.open() in a row shouldn't take 300 ms 16:28 IhrFussel sofar, cause I need the value for the website...it displays the ingame online list and I want website users to see who's idle 16:35 Krock you could write it to a ramdisk using symlinks if it has to be in a file 16:37 Krock it's most likely the write speed - not the io.open/io.close stuff 16:39 Krock dunno how much data it is, so I'm guessing ^ 16:43 IhrFussel Krock, it's a simple timestamp it stores per player 16:44 IhrFussel 10 chars per file that's why I find it to be extremely slow 16:49 Jordach Calinou, http://beta.speedtest.net/result/6698220911.png 16:51 Jordach http://www.speedtest.net/result/6698369411.png 16:54 Krock Jordach, here's mine.. slightly different http://krock-works.16mb.com/u/speedof.me_history_17-10-11.pdf 18:23 Calinou speedof.me isn't great, I heard 18:24 Calinou (not reliable for fast connections) 18:24 Calinou heh, speedof.me reports 1.35 Mb/s download here 18:24 Calinou Krock: http://beta.speedtest.net/ doesn't require Flash 18:25 Jordach http://speedof.me/show.php?img=171011182542-2618.png 18:26 Calinou http://beta.speedtest.net/result/6698643047.png 18:26 Calinou I'm still slightly above French average :P 18:26 Calinou Jordach: hmm, that's strange 18:26 Jordach Calinou, >tfw 76ms ping to us east 18:26 Calinou I never get 36 ms ping in games, though 18:27 Calinou the best I see in games is around 48-50 18:27 Calinou it's ok, but not great by today's standards 18:27 Calinou also, some games don't have any popular servers close to me 18:27 Calinou (like Quake 2, I have 85 ms at best) 18:29 Dumbeldor http://beta.speedtest.net/result/6698651431.png 18:29 Dumbeldor :) 18:29 Calinou heh, in June 2017 I've done 64/31 on 4G+ with Free 18:29 Calinou at my former university 18:30 Calinou 17/38 at my university Wi-Fi, too 18:30 Calinou (higher upload than download, as usual) 18:32 Calinou https://pic.nperf.com/r/183773872-OjZ9c4aV.png 18:32 Calinou (test from https://www.nperf.com/) 18:32 Calinou >uses Firefox Nightly with new fancy logo 18:32 Calinou >result image displays Firefox 3.x logo 18:51 nerzhul Calinou, http://beta.speedtest.net/fr/result/6698711727 18:57 lisac Calinou, what is the oldest book you ever saw? 18:57 lisac as in, the oldest printed book 18:58 Dumbeldor Nice nerzhul :D 19:01 Calinou lisac: I don't know… my parents have many books from the 70s or so 19:42 sofar lol 19:43 sofar never been to a museum? 19:43 sofar I think I've seen handcopied books from 7-8 centuries ago, and much older scrolls 19:46 Calinou no, I haven't been into traditional museums much 19:46 Calinou I've been to a D-Day museum last summer, though 19:46 Calinou I've seen real MP40s and Thompsons! 19:50 Calinou and the Sten! (http://users.kymp.net/feuer/etcomic/062.jpg) 20:08 Megaf oldest book I saw is from 800 20:08 Megaf 1217 years old 20:09 Megaf This is it https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Kells 21:48 rubenwardy !title https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/8eb7ddb0 21:48 ShadowBot rubenwardy: Remove new_style_water · minetest/minetest@8eb7ddb · GitHub 21:48 rubenwardy :'( 21:52 Calinou it didn't work with smooth lighting, also, shaders can be used to replicate this 21:52 Calinou (like waving water, but not waving and just offset downwards) 21:53 rubenwardy just found waving water 21:53 rubenwardy forgot about that 21:59 Calinou :'( I double-posted a comment on Reddit, and one of them got a downvote 21:59 Calinou never gonna vote you up, never gonna vote you down… 22:13 * Shara still dreams of nice water shaders... 22:20 Natechip my server MM-Survival is shutting down today. just if anyone is wondering 22:44 Megaf you mean, like, forever? 22:44 red-001 Natechip, as in shutting down permanently? 22:45 Megaf red-001, did you just read the message now or just took your time to come up with something to write? 22:45 red-001 just read it 22:45 Megaf ok 22:45 Natechip Megaf, red-001 forever 22:49 Megaf Natechip, how old is it? 22:50 Natechip Megaf: I say just over a year, maybe a year in a half 22:50 Shara How come you're shutting it? 22:51 Natechip Shara: I reset it before bc the map got corrupted. this time all auth files got corrupted and player files, it wiped all the passwords, causing ppl getting stolen from and accounts taken. 22:52 Natechip not much I can do to come back from it 22:52 Natechip ppl were not happy last time I reset 22:52 Megaf backup? 22:52 Megaf thats just your typical Minetest reliability 22:52 Natechip Megaf: no backup, since it just got moved to a new host 22:52 Megaf good admins expect Minetest to breake 22:53 Natechip the thing is 22:53 Megaf I recovered my server from backups several times 22:53 Natechip I did have backups 22:53 Natechip but 22:53 Natechip the server got so filled up with files that the server wouldnt boot any servers. there were 3 on the same one 22:53 Megaf and I do full backups, I backup the whole home folder where the server is and monthly a whole OS snapshot. 22:54 Natechip so we switched to a new server 22:54 Natechip and it got corrupted a few days later 22:54 Megaf sad 22:54 Natechip also the server isnt as playable and doesnt have many players anymore 22:55 Megaf meh, my server has no players at all currently 22:55 Megaf its nof even online xP 22:55 Natechip lol 22:56 Megaf I got so disapointed and frustrated with Minetest that I dont havve much will to keep investing my time and money on it 22:56 Megaf Minetest realy sucks 22:57 Shara Natechip: I lost my auth file to corruption just a few days back. It was annoying, but already recoered 22:57 Megaf and so does other Free Software I love 22:57 Shara recovered* 22:57 Natechip Shara: too late for me now 22:57 Natechip I got 1 minute left X 22:57 Natechip XD 22:57 Shara Ewww... that sucks. 22:58 * Natechip shrugs 22:59 Natechip I rlly am not enjoying the server anymore nor happy with it 22:59 Natechip im making a new one anyways, something different 23:00 Megaf https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99o7YO7y6dE 23:00 Megaf cute 23:01 Natechip MM-Survival has quit (Quit: Game shutting down.) 23:01 Natechip do dooo dooooo 23:03 jas_ just start a brand new stock mt-0.4.17 server with no mods and give it a new name. 23:03 jas_ WW-Surwiwal 23:03 jas_ no too obvious 23:04 jas_ also backup every 24hours, so that's the most anyone will ever lose. yeah, it sucks, but it doesn't _always_ happen. 23:06 jas_ coulda just backported to 0.4.16 and pulled a debian with minetest-0.4.16-1, minetest-0.4.16-2, etc. too late now i think haha 23:06 Natechip jas_ no mods? are u crazy? XD 23:06 jas_ what no 23:06 jas_ i'm not joking around, here 23:06 Natechip ooh 23:06 jas_ start bare 23:06 Natechip i was ganna say 23:06 jas_ add as needed 23:06 jas_ obv protection is a 1st choice 23:06 jas_ just, go slow 23:07 jas_ (mapgen and some other stuff needs to be there in the beginning, but that's different.) 23:07 * jas_ loves a good stock minetest 23:09 Megaf !up mt.megaf.info 30008 23:09 ShadowBot Megaf: mt.megaf.info port 30008 is up (8933us) 23:09 Megaf thats a server for you jas_ 23:09 red-001 you might be one of the first jas_ 23:09 jas_ i like to go for a bit without protection, especially because with no mods, there's not much to protect 23:09 jas_ that's how i generally started servers in the past, like amhi started as a stock minetest. 23:09 Megaf (8933us)? What kind of number is that? 23:10 jas_ yes, that's me 23:10 jas_ haha 23:10 Megaf jas_, really mt.megaf.info 30008 = stock minetest = mobs and farming replace with tenplus1 farming 23:10 Megaf but its just a test server, and its unlisted 23:10 jas_ yeah but how many servers do you have up, megaf? 23:10 jas_ so there you go 23:11 jas_ i'm going to run a stock minetest server if you don't 23:11 jas_ you can help me if you want 23:11 jas_ (yes, i am bullshitting all night.) 23:11 Megaf I have a new one coming 23:11 red-001 failed µs? 23:11 jas_ oh baby 23:11 Megaf jas_, my new server will be stock Minetest but with some mods 23:11 Megaf almost none 23:11 red-001 but that would be too short to make sense for ping time 23:12 Megaf jas_, for me mesecons, areas, pipeworks and currency are a must 23:12 jas_ Megaf: stock minetest doesn't 23:12 jas_ no 23:12 jas_ i'm speechless 23:12 jas_ STOCK 23:12 Megaf ok man, I can do a stock + areas server 23:12 jas_ as in, minetest+minetest_game as they are on github 23:12 jas_ nooooo 23:12 Megaf jas_, I used to run a Minetest Minimal server 23:12 jas_ not areasssss 23:12 Megaf with no areas 23:13 jas_ nothing, absolutely no mods whatsoever 23:13 jas_ default config 23:13 jas_ don't even change a setting! 23:13 jas_ just announce 23:13 jas_ and wait 23:14 Megaf thats how I create my server... and add mods on the go... 23:14 jas_ ^5 23:14 Megaf not a popular thing... 23:14 Megaf since they are always empty 23:14 jas_ but don't add areas on a survival server, just protector redo 23:14 jas_ because it's an in-game item you craft and place 23:14 Megaf protector really sucks 23:14 red-001 ^ 23:14 jas_ if areas had nodes you crafted and had to place 23:14 jas_ yes, protector is the worst 23:14 Megaf had several crashes caused by protector 23:14 jas_ but it's also the only one 23:15 jas_ i glued protector to areas separately, recently, it was easy 23:15 jas_ place two nodes, A and B and use formspec to "set area" 23:15 Megaf the bad thing about protector is the nodes, people live nodes everywhere 23:15 Megaf its a mess 23:15 jas_ but the protection itself should be in-game somehow 23:15 Megaf I hate mess 23:15 jas_ yes, i know. i got no answers there 23:15 jas_ it's a problem 23:15 Megaf I protect the areas myself 23:15 jas_ or a challenge, needs solving 23:15 Megaf on request 23:15 Megaf all thoudands of them 23:16 jas_ areas is commands, not survivalesque, you don't earn the protection 23:16 jas_ you just issue it with a priv, or setting 23:16 jas_ and that's another level up from in-game stuff 23:16 Megaf thats why I do on request 23:16 jas_ i am imagining a terminal, a player types into, like the computer node, and protect with this 23:16 jas_ true, but think of the player 23:16 Megaf it has to be worth getting the protection 23:16 jas_ don't think of the admin 23:16 Megaf I will not protect a coble box 23:17 jas_ why would you? 23:17 jas_ that's the player's job 23:17 jas_ and as they grow, so do your servers 23:17 jas_ welp, i'm done waxing, gonna play now 23:30 Natechip jas_ minetest? 23:53 shivajiva rubenwardy: update sauth to latest pls 23:54 shivajiva found and fixed a crash in create_auth