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00:00 Fixer this is needed too https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/1118
00:00 Hijiri benrob0329: you could use dithered transparency; it would look bad but at least it wouldn'
00:00 Hijiri wouldn't have sync problems
00:01 Jordach Hijiri, i've got some people think Solar Plains is a Unity game
00:01 Hijiri were they aware of minetest?
00:01 Jordach no idea
00:01 Fixer CYBERINDUSTRIALIZATION
00:01 Jordach it doesn't look like MT at all, Hijiri
00:01 Jordach it looks like something in Unity as a demo
00:01 benrob0329 Hijiri: sync problems arent as much of a problem as just pain-in-the-arseness of it all
00:02 Hijiri Does it use flat
00:02 Hijiri sorry, didn't mean t oenter
00:02 Hijiri Jordach: I haven't seen it, what does it look like?
00:02 Hijiri benrob0329: You could automate that tediousness
00:03 Hijiri writing node defs = not fun, writing APIs = fun
00:03 Jordach Hijiri, https://jordach.net/Images/Screensh​ots/screenshot_20170507_004457.png
00:03 Jordach be advised the cert expired a few days ago and i havent had root access
00:03 Hijiri this is why I wrote bunch of APIs used by nobody
00:03 benrob0329 Hijiri: Possibly, but i woulndt even know where to start
00:03 Jordach since my security key is on my desktop
00:04 Jordach and not my laptop
00:04 Hijiri I don't know, I think I would guess that it looks like a minetest game, but obviously I already know about minetest
00:04 Hijiri if I didn't, I wouldn't be surprised if it was in unity (or done in minecraft)
00:04 Hijiri since unity is used for a lot of games
00:04 benrob0329 i mean, i need to make everything a variable, and encase everything in a function, etc etc
00:04 Jordach Hijiri, http://i.imgur.com/9Y6aOgN.png
00:05 Hijiri benrob0329: for a small API like node switchy thing it might be easiest to start top-down and write out the API you would want to use
00:05 Jordach Hijiri, i've rapidly improved my textures recently
00:05 Hijiri And since it's single use, you might not even want to write an API
00:06 Hijiri Just have a for loop and a list of textures
00:06 Jordach honk at me later if you want some more recent imagery
00:06 benrob0329 Hijiri: it would be more than single use
00:06 benrob0329 multiple tarid-es
00:06 benrob0329 cant use a for loop
00:06 benrob0329 well i could
00:06 benrob0329 but itd be more complicated than that
00:06 Hijiri benrob0329: I guess you might want to write some functions then, but it doesn't need to be something that generalizes over all possible animations
00:06 benrob0329 id need a table with demat-remat timing
00:07 benrob0329 and to iderate over that too
00:08 benrob0329 and a sound table, because I need to split up the in-animation sounds in case the game had a lag spike
00:08 benrob0329 then things wont become out of sync
00:08 Hijiri benrob0329: it would make the transitions audible though
00:09 benrob0329 Hijiri: possibly, but itd be better than having it come out of sync
00:10 benrob0329 although the animation would just finish once the game came back
00:10 Hijiri I feel like it would sound worse, but I guess I can't really tell without trying to use it
00:10 benrob0329 so i suppose the point it mute (no pun intended)
00:10 Hijiri I mean that it would sound worse and it would be mroe distracting that AV desync
00:11 benrob0329 idk, i need to do a lot on that mod
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07:09 Jordach purr
07:10 cheapie Meow?
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07:59 Raven262 Hello guys, I have a question, how does one set node's paramtype2 using the itemstack?
08:01 Hijiri itemstack has no concept of param2, there's no way to do it like that
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08:01 Hijiri Raven262: and nodes that are in the world don't have any itemstack
08:02 Hijiri Raven262: what are you tryiing t odo?
08:02 Raven262 How do i get node definition from itemstack then?
08:03 Raven262 I'm trying to make mod that colorizes nodes e.g. you wield stone use a chat command and colour it to red
08:03 Raven262 and place a red stone
08:03 Raven262 that is still a default:stone, but red
08:03 Raven262 Since i found that paramtype2 can store colour
08:04 Hijiri Raven262: best way may be to redefine default:stone's on_place
08:04 Hijiri to use its color when it places the node
08:04 Raven262 Yes, i'll do so.
08:04 Hijiri minetest.item_place_node can take param2 as argumetn
08:05 Raven262 Thanks for the help, i'll try to make this.
08:05 Raven262 Wait, how do i redefine default:stone?
08:06 Hijiri there's minetest.item_place too, might be closer to default behavior | use minetest.override_item to redefine on_place
08:06 Raven262 ah, thanks
08:06 Hijiri minetest.override_item("default:stone", { on_place = function() blah end })
08:07 Hijiri you only need to enter the overridden fields
08:07 Raven262 yes i'm reading it on the wiki
08:27 Raven262 In what format should the param2 color be?
08:48 Hijiri no idea
08:51 Calinou https://github.com/minetest/minetes​t/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L650
09:03 Raven262 Color is hex or rgb?
09:09 Calinou seems to be hexadecimal
09:09 Calinou no idea if it's #AARRGGBB or #RRGGBBAA though... try both
09:09 Calinou the prefix is 0x, not #, though
09:19 Raven262 ok, thanks
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10:11 Shara Morning all
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10:15 Raven262 Greetings, Shara
10:16 Shara Hi Raven262. How goes?
10:17 Raven262 Trying to get this mod if mine work, only fails here, you?
10:17 Shara Trying to get this brain of mine to work, only fails here too :)
10:17 Raven262 xD
10:18 Raven262 I found that someone on the forums made a mod that could be considerably shortened in code. I helped, and got an idea for a mod of my own.
10:18 Shara Anyone is welcome to volunteer to sit exams for me! :)
10:19 Raven262 xD
10:19 Shara Oh, nice. I've done that before.
10:19 Raven262 The trouble is, I haven't been doing any coding for about 6 months now.
10:19 Raven262 And i kinda have to remember stuff
10:20 Raven262 Not to mention that i used one of my old mods to give examples, copy paste
10:20 Shara I'd barely done any for a lifetime when I started my mods, so don't worry.
10:20 Raven262 I think that I'm actually trying something that is barely possible for me to do.
10:21 Raven262 But well, i have lisac to help me out.
10:21 Raven262 Though he is constantly playing wow
10:21 Shara If you are copy/pasting, it's worth spending the time to make sure you really understand it anyway
10:22 Raven262 Yes, the things that i could write down from my head now i can't even remember them.
10:22 Raven262 6 months seems like a lot now
10:22 Shara there is nothing wrong with needing to look things up.
10:22 Raven262 I imagined i have better memory though.
10:23 Shara I often use my own past mods as templates for certain things in later ones
10:23 Raven262 well, i think i might even make this work
10:23 * Raven262 starts working :P
10:24 Shara Feel free to ask for help.
10:24 Shara Not sure I can give it, but someone usually can :P
10:24 Raven262 Yeah i asked quite a lot of stuff already
10:30 red-002 I guess thats the end of -project logging then
10:31 Shara Nothing was being said anyway.
10:31 * red-002 wonders who is still on there
10:32 red-002 I tried to be last but ddos attacks forced me to drop out
10:35 Shara Anyone know who SG9kb3I is, since they won't seem to tell me :)
10:35 Shara ?
10:36 red-002 dunno
10:36 red-002 apprently they set thier nick to thier password
10:36 Shara Saw
10:37 red-002 well who are you SG9kb3I ?
10:37 Shara Asked me for voice politely enough anyway.
10:56 red-002 Shara, it looks like it's a new account
10:56 red-002 registered 2 hours ago
10:56 Shara I'm getting answers, don't worry.
10:57 * red-002 bets it's the person that joined yesterday and was told to register an account
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11:02 Shara Okay, confirmed who it is. Someone safe who just feels like being mysterious.
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11:31 Fixer hey-hey
11:33 Wayward_One morning all :)
11:42 VanessaE morning
11:42 ff0002 hi
11:47 VanessaE morning red
11:55 Fixer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRdk6iaiiG0 so much this (in minetest)
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12:16 red-002 this new settins bug is quite intersting
12:16 red-002 I haven't ben able to confrim it yet but the bug might be in the c++ code for a drop down menu
12:17 red-002 been*
12:20 Shara What's the bug?
12:23 red-002 it displays the correct vaules to the user but it returns the vaules that the first drop down menu used to the formspec handler
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12:24 red-002 e.g. dropdown1 = {1="first", 2= "second"}
12:24 red-002 dropdown2 = {1="red",2="blue"}
12:24 red-002 then when the user selects red the formspec handler will be told they selected "first"
12:25 Jordach *autistic screeching*
12:25 * Shara balances a cat on Jordach's head.
12:25 red-002 *non-autistic screeching*
12:26 Shara red-002: That sounds bad, because from your number red is clearly not first at the moment
12:27 blue-002 better?
12:27 Shara How can we select red at all when there is no red? :(
12:27 Stone-Talus DUN DUN DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUNNNNN
12:28 Jordach Shara, my LED TV doesn't have composite/av
12:29 Jordach it has fucking that bastard YPbPr
12:29 blue-002 I should really use alice and bob in these examples
12:29 Shara Either way, problems with settings are bad :(
12:29 Calinou hi
12:29 Jordach Shara, tl;dr i need a 4 pole 3.5mm male jack that takes RCA inputs
12:29 Jordach *Reeeeeeee*
12:29 Shara Jordach: I'm sorry, but the cat is all I had to offer
12:30 Calinou the settings menu should be redone one day, I feel like
12:30 Shara She likes to sit on people's head.
12:30 Calinou keep the "Advanced" thing but have a few subtabs, I guess
12:30 Calinou one for graphics, one for sound, one for input (keys + mouse settings), one for misc things
12:30 Shara Calinou: It's advanced settings that are an absolute horrible scary mess though
12:30 Shara but yea, subtabs would help with that a lot
12:30 Calinou Shara: yes; my point is to make them unnecessary for most use cases
12:31 Calinou which is not the case right now; to change mouse sensitivity or disable view bobbing (without editing minetest.conf), you need to go into the advanced settings
12:31 Calinou which are a mess indeed
12:31 Shara I can never work out where to find things. Which ven includes things I added to settings myself.
12:31 Shara even*
12:31 Calinou ideally we'd have a first start dialog, asking the user to set a name, change some settings (keys, most importantly)
12:31 Calinou many games have that now
12:32 CWz uh there an isseu with the server list
12:32 CWz http://servers.minetest.net/
12:32 CWz shows the irc logs
12:32 Jordach *runs letsencrypt*
12:32 blue-002 it doesn't?
12:32 Shara CWz: ?
12:32 Calinou works for me here
12:32 Calinou it might be a DNS issue
12:33 Shara Looks normal here
12:33 blue-002 yeah this seems to be a c++ issue
12:33 Stone-Talus so todays blergs were complete shits
12:33 Shara Calinou: Yea, I think a first start dialog of some kind would be nice, but how would it work in practice? In singleplayer, it should show in came, but if hosting a server, it's possible someone other than the owner is first to connect
12:33 blue-002 it happens when both drop downs used the same field name
12:33 Shara in game*
12:34 Calinou Shara: show it when starting the client for the first time?
12:34 Calinou (usually when no minetest.conf is present)
12:34 Calinou we could even have a server wizard too, writing a basic minetest.conf for you
12:35 Calinou AssaultCube has a shell script for this, but we can have something in minetestserver itself working in a similar manner
12:35 Shara Calinou: Just as a server owner, I'll never start it through the client
12:35 Shara So yes, we'd need both options covered
12:37 Shara Though it would be a nice thing even if just from games started from a client
12:38 Shara Or instead of first start, maybe even more options alongside where Creative mod and Enable Damage checkboxes are?
12:38 Shara mode*
12:38 Calinou I'm talking about the client setup itself here, more than the game setup
12:39 Shara I just like options being more easily available either way
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12:41 CWz the freeminer forums are pretty much dead.
12:41 CWz heh
12:41 Calinou gotta like 4G+ connection here, 3-4 MB/s download off GitHub :D
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12:52 blue-002 alright I think I found out what was causing the bug
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13:23 red-001 and I managed to fix it
13:23 Shara :)
13:24 red-001 the code should be rewritten through it looks like it's leaking memory
13:25 red-001 well it's not much memory
13:26 red-001 just the contents of the drop down list ever time one is included in a formspec
13:26 red-001 every*
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13:38 PsychoVision YAY! I remembered the channel name for once :D
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13:38 * PsychoVision Pats himself on the head
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13:53 DS-minetest is there a reason why the avatar image of sofar on github is white now? btw, i haven't read anything about him for some days now, is something with him?
13:53 NathanS21 I guess somebody made a fake account, with a poorly photoshopped image of him
13:53 Calinou DS-minetest: he likely cleared it because someone made a parody of it
13:54 Calinou (although that person has been banned since then, IIRC)
13:54 DS-minetest yeah, that "sofart" with the hitler like bart :P
14:02 benrob0329 Hello all
14:02 Calinou hi benrob0329
14:03 benrob0329 https://github.com/minetest/minetest​/issues/5813#issuecomment-304778911
14:03 benrob0329 Ome
14:03 benrob0329 *w
14:03 benrob0329 People still want the super complex server network approach
14:04 Calinou I don't think we should bother too much about this
14:04 Calinou most other open source games are doing fine without this
14:04 Calinou perhaps we could have support for chat commands sending you to another server
14:04 Calinou but that's about it
14:04 Fixer +1
14:04 benrob0329 you'd still need to have the function then
14:05 benrob0329 and it doesn't solve the main issue
14:05 benrob0329 So -1
14:05 Calinou well then, we can add redirection to the API
14:05 Calinou but inventory sharing is (IMO) too complex, too error-prone (what if servers run different mods?)
14:05 Calinou the redirection could also be abused, so beware...
14:06 Calinou that's why I suggested it should only work if the client types a command, but not sure how
14:06 benrob0329 I don't want inv sharing or special auth
14:06 Calinou (like eg. Firefox's clipboard API works only after an explicit user action, like clicking a buton)
14:06 benrob0329 Just sending to the other server
14:07 benrob0329 Inv can be handled by mods if necessary
14:07 benrob0329 We do have an http api for a reason
14:08 Fixer sync auth.txt across servers?
14:08 DS-minetest why is even anything for sending players to other servers needed? Different "Dimensions" / Other worlds #4428 would be enough imo
14:10 Calinou different dimensions would be very complex, and wouldn't fit all use cases
14:10 benrob0329 DS-minetest: hub worlds
14:10 benrob0329 No auth syncing
14:11 benrob0329 No inv syncing
14:11 DS-minetest yeah, world = dimension
14:11 benrob0329 Just send the client with a temp key/token
14:11 benrob0329 DS-minetest: that doesn't cover all use cases
14:12 DS-minetest benrob0329: is there a very specific case?
14:12 benrob0329 what if a server wants to keep those seperate to avoid say, mod conflicts
14:12 CWz would be cool to have multi-universe/world/pez servers
14:12 benrob0329 Or heavy loads
14:12 Calinou yeah, the Minetest server is not really multithreaded
14:12 Calinou except for map generation, optionally
14:13 DS-minetest and why would a player like to swap directly to that other server?
14:13 Calinou I can see a few use cases for this
14:13 benrob0329 because he'd come from.a hub world
14:13 Calinou eg. you play on a creative server and want to join a PvP server under the same umbrella
14:13 Calinou so, with other players, you agree to type a command to do that
14:13 Calinou ("the same umbrella" = hosted by the same admin)
14:14 Calinou it's easier than going back to the menu, finding the server and connecting
14:14 benrob0329 But it shouldn't always need to type the command
14:14 benrob0329 Punching a block works too
14:14 Calinou could be done too, but IMO it should require explicit user action
14:14 Calinou it can be punching/usinga  node or a command
14:14 Calinou although, even then, it could still b eabused :(
14:14 Calinou be abused*
14:14 Calinou for example, if someone makes punching any node cause a redirect
14:15 benrob0329 how could it be abused?
14:15 Fixer here is example: one auth for Vanessas server
14:15 Fixer or why bother, make one auth for all servers (optional)
14:15 DS-minetest the hub server could have signs with ports and addresses
14:15 Calinou infinite redirect loops could be caused, I guess
14:15 benrob0329 Fixer: no
14:15 Calinou Fixer: I don't think we'll have an official auth server
14:15 benrob0329 DS-minetest: also no
14:15 Calinou it's complicated to manage
14:15 DS-minetest benrob0329: why not?
14:16 benrob0329 DS-minetest: do you want to rememer a whole server address an port just to swap minigame categories?
14:16 benrob0329 *remember
14:16 benrob0329 Or change levels in a game?
14:17 DS-minetest normally one umbrella has one address, so the player only has to remember the port
14:17 benrob0329 It's still a pain
14:17 DS-minetest not really :P
14:17 DS-minetest maybe 2 digits
14:17 benrob0329 And its not helpfull if you do want a more complex setup
14:17 DS-minetest or 3
14:17 Calinou remember, in Minetest on AZERTY keyboards, you still can't enter "7" due to an Irrlicht bug :)
14:17 Calinou so I hope none of the port numbers contain a 7 :D
14:18 DS-minetest lol
14:18 DS-minetest does num 7 work?
14:18 benrob0329 So no, that is exactly the problem this tries to fix
14:19 benrob0329 player:send_to_server(address, port)
14:19 benrob0329 Server generates a key
14:19 DS-minetest what if a client mod takes the meta of a node and writes the information into address and port fields?
14:19 DS-minetest only change a setting
14:19 DS-minetest 2*
14:19 Calinou DS-minetest: not sure
14:19 Calinou I don't think so
14:19 DS-minetest why not?
14:20 benrob0329 then it still requires you to pull out of the game
14:20 Calinou because Irrlicht's input handling is quite... funny
14:20 Calinou copypaste is only possible on Linux since 2015
14:20 benrob0329 Something else this could be used for
14:20 benrob0329 In singleplayer would be to swap maps
14:21 DS-minetest add function to csm to join a server from menu after leaving, (i think, there's already a function to leave, so just improve that)
14:21 benrob0329 DS-minetest: your missing the point
14:21 Calinou does CSM have HUD access yet?
14:22 DS-minetest Calinou: sadly no
14:22 Calinou :(
14:22 Calinou maybe I should add the wallclock thing in core, even
14:22 Calinou but not sure if paramat^W the core devs will accept it
14:22 benrob0329 we don't want players to have to pull out of the game to swap worlds/servers/dimentions
14:22 Calinou a lot of games I know support such a thing :P
14:22 Calinou and it's not trivial (or even possible) to do in fullscreen on most operating systems, using a system tool
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14:24 benrob0329 nerzhul: I don't think you quite understand what I mean
14:24 DS-minetest benrob0329: yeah, push them out with csm and pull them in somewhere wlese
14:25 DS-minetest -w+e*
14:25 nerzhul benrob0329, you talk about sending player to another server ?
14:25 benrob0329 Yes, and only that
14:25 benrob0329 Nothing else
14:25 nerzhul i think all of you want a simple API and doesn't think about all the underlying implementation problems
14:26 benrob0329 Temp keys, no?
14:26 nerzhul for a player teleporting to another without its inventory can be a problem as it's not natural to play game and being teleported and loosing it's own inventory (in MMO RPG instances for example)
14:26 benrob0329 but mods can sync inv if necessary
14:26 nerzhul who share the secret ? who ensure those secret are not altered or modified to hack the client ? who trust those generated keys ?
14:26 nerzhul NO NO NO and NO.
14:26 benrob0329 *sigh*
14:27 nerzhul a such thing is not for mods it's pure networking discussion between two servers.
14:27 nerzhul with a dedicated protocol
14:27 benrob0329 Then do that afterwords
14:27 nerzhul it's very very very complicated to do properly
14:27 benrob0329 don't make simple setups more complex
14:27 nerzhul with the required security quality for a such transfers
14:28 DS-minetest as i said, imo it would be enough for csm to have a function to make the player leave and join another
14:28 benrob0329 Why does it need to be so secure? I don't see much that could go wrong
14:28 nerzhul a such thing should just be exposed to lua as: core.transfer_player(playerref, "server", "port") but all the underlying problem should be managed and it's weeks of devel
14:28 DS-minetest and it's the player's fault to have such a csm
14:28 nerzhul DS-minetest, then i can hack any client by sending him to non sollicated server ?
14:29 DS-minetest hm
14:29 benrob0329 Its a temp auth key, that needs to match a username, and is never seen by anything else
14:29 nerzhul i think you talked about player sent to a server, not teleported by a server to another server ?
14:29 DS-minetest make a formspec to ask the player if he wants to be transfered
14:29 CWz i think having a multiworld run by one server is far more secure and would achieve mostly the same thing
14:29 nerzhul which temp auth key ? who generate the key ? who ensure it's not a cheat key for retriving your password ?
14:30 nerzhul CWz, i agree it's server responsibility
14:30 benrob0329 nerzhul: the server does
14:30 nerzhul if a player want to change its server, just leave game and reconnect, it's not part of CSM gameplay
14:30 DS-minetest giving the possibility to csm to change specific settings (if player allows in a security setting) would be enough imo
14:30 Calinou http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2017-05-30​-playstation-3-production-finally-shut-down
14:30 Calinou the last console I ever played is no longer manufactured D:
14:31 nerzhul if server have a such feature, it's a little bit more better, because server can talk to another server to generate auth key for this player and send him order to reconnect to another server with this token
14:31 nerzhul CSM will never be unsecure.
14:31 nerzhul NEVER
14:31 benrob0329 The server generates the auth key, the other server sees if it matches when tge username connects
14:31 DS-minetest nerzhul: i suggested that the servers have signs with ports, but the others can't remember 3 digits or can't write the 7
14:31 benrob0329 Uggggg
14:31 nerzhul DS-minetest, what ?
14:32 benrob0329 DS-minetest: that's current behavior
14:32 nerzhul by ports you mean network ports ?
14:32 DS-minetest yeah
14:32 benrob0329 We don't want current behavior, what if you want progression?
14:32 nerzhul oh i have better idea for interserver signalisation, but it will be done after redoing all the current client <-> server stack
14:33 DS-minetest so, i don't really understand the problem
14:33 nerzhul you don't understand security
14:33 nerzhul and network
14:33 nerzhul you think network is simple, easy, no. it's better than in the 1990's but there are many things to understand, and security is mandatory
14:33 DS-minetest and why such a feature is needed i dont understand
14:34 nerzhul if we want server <-> server communication i think websockets can be a good option and permit server owners to use TLS, a such communication doesn't require low latency, it's for reliable data and secure data, it can permit to generate a such token by web socket negociation and have for example a interserver chat
14:35 nerzhul DS-minetest, which feature ? sending a server to another player ?
14:36 benrob0329 Need: the ability to send the player to another server, can be used for anything from hub worlds to multi level games
14:36 DS-minetest nerzhul:  sending a player to another server
14:36 benrob0329 don't need: inv sync, auth sync, or any of that
14:37 nerzhul it's not my feature request, but it's interesting for server owners to have a "game network"
14:37 nerzhul or imagine minigames, multiple little MT servers
14:37 nerzhul with one game per server
14:37 nerzhul can be a behaviour
14:37 benrob0329 exactly!!
14:37 benrob0329 Thank you
14:38 CWz hmm. multiple little server vs multiple little world...
14:38 nerzhul for me it's low priority at 0.5.0 cycle, because we have many things to rewrite, and i don't know on which part other core dev will work, but personnaly i will work on MT C++11 support (by removing old code and converting some existing parts to it), network protocol rewrite for handling more players without networking thread problems, a more reliable protocol
14:39 benrob0329 Could use: temp auth tokens made by the server, sent to both client and other server and deleted afterwards
14:39 nerzhul CWz, with the current server/client code it's far more simple to have multiple servers than multiple maps, unfortunately
14:59 DS-minetest and multiple worlds/dimensions would be more helpful for many mods
15:01 benrob0329 >The simplest way to implement this could be with a chatcommand (that needs a special priv or just give).
15:01 benrob0329 What!?
15:01 benrob0329 ( https://github.com/minetest/minetest_​game/pull/1592#issuecomment-304888023 )
15:02 benrob0329 This is about a workbench...
15:03 benrob0329 DS-minetest: did you post in the wrong issue?
15:03 DS-minetest no, but Paramat wrote about a tool
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15:15 benrob0329 DS-minetest: I seem to rememberthat
15:15 benrob0329 The workbench is a good idea imo
15:21 DS-minetest yeah, but for one use, meehhh
15:31 benrob0329 DS-minetest: it wouldn't have just one use, more would be added with time
15:32 DS-minetest hm, maybe add tabs to the workbench and an api for that dor mods
15:32 DS-minetest for*
15:34 lisac hey, will it be possible for server mods to send data to client ones, and client ones to send data to server ones?
15:34 red-001 no
15:34 red-001 no *
15:35 red-001 * you can abuse the chat protocol
15:35 lisac probably
15:35 lisac or I could make a dummy node and check its metadata
15:35 red-001 in general no it didn't make it into the release
15:37 lisac well, next release, maybe? :P
15:37 benrob0329 (Off) https://youtu.be/8Ej-WeORjxk
15:39 Raven262 heh that just got logged xD
15:40 benrob0329 (Off) is not [off]
15:40 Raven262 lol
15:42 benrob0329 Anyone know a good keyboard for android?
15:43 Fixer (Off) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0
15:43 red-001 (off) not all [off]'s are the same!
15:50 lisac benrob0329, Default one
15:50 Raven262 Yea the def one is kinda best
15:51 benrob0329 lisac: meh
15:51 benrob0329 Samsung keyboard
15:51 Raven262 Oh you mean hardware?
15:51 benrob0329 Fixer: jokes on you, I don't mind the song XD
15:51 benrob0329 Raven262: nope, software
15:51 Raven262 heh
15:51 benrob0329 AnySoftKeyboard seems neat
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15:57 benrob0329 (Off) AnySoftKeyboard (Alternative keyboard) - https://f-droid.org/app/com.m​enny.android.anysoftkeyboard
15:57 Krock o/
15:57 benrob0329 Hi Krock
16:07 Calinou AnySoftKeyboard looks worse (and is less usable) than Gboard :(
16:07 Calinou (the "new" Google keyboard)
16:08 VanessaE hacker's keyboard or gtfo ;)
16:10 nore Calinou: unfortunately yes :'( I use AnySoftKeyboard because it's the only keyboard I found on f-droid, but... I might switch back to google keyboard :/
16:11 benrob0329 VanessaE: I got tierd of having to un-lowercase everytime I typed 😃
16:11 benrob0329 Typed *off
16:11 VanessaE heh
16:11 benrob0329 New keyboard, muscle memory is not there yet
16:11 Calinou nore: yeah, 2017 and we don't have a good open source keyboard
16:11 Calinou Gboard has issues too but we can't fix them…
16:12 benrob0329 AnySoftKeyboard has an SSH layout
16:12 benrob0329 Which basically makes using hackers keyboard pointless
16:12 Calinou heh, SSHing over a phone
16:12 Calinou I did so once, never again
16:13 Fixer stop using phones for this shit
16:14 * Calinou starts playing Quake with a phone
16:14 Calinou (e1m1 is possible this way, but you're a pro if you manage any other level this way)
16:14 Calinou :')
16:15 Fixer it is possible to remove tooth via anal, but why would you?
16:15 Fixer smartphone is communicator at most
16:15 Fixer get real hardware for real work
16:15 benrob0329 Fixer: wtf
16:16 Fixer i played Elite on Windows PPC2003, never again
16:17 Fixer https://cs5-1.4pda.to/64783.png
16:17 Fixer https://cs5-1.4pda.to/64784.png
16:18 Fixer 240x320
16:19 lisac VaultyTowers, do you have a steam account?
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16:46 red-001 does someone have a copy of the old logs?
16:46 red-001 for -project
16:46 Shara Hi muhdnurhidayat
16:47 red-001 since they haven't been added to irc.minetest.net yet
16:47 muhdnurhidayat Hi... :)
16:47 red-001 hi muhdnurhidayat
16:53 muhdnurhidayat will translations go in feature freeze?
16:53 red-001 yes
16:56 muhdnurhidayat oh, I'm just wondering because the last commit for Malay translation was 14 days ago (where it's at 65.4%)... but it has completed 100% around two days ago... maybe it will get commit from weblate in few days later??
16:57 red-001 I assume that it will get merged just before release
16:59 muhdnurhidayat oh, that's nice to know... I'm looking forward for the release...
17:00 benrob0329 Its one hell of a release, that's for sure
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17:04 garywhite how is it a hell of a release?
17:04 Calinou I need to look at the French translation again by the way
17:07 benrob0329 garywhite: hardware coloring, csm, tons of bug fixes
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17:08 benrob0329 Hi kaeza
17:08 kaeza hi benrob0329
17:27 VanessaE I see sofar has risen from the ether finally
17:27 VanessaE (a post on the forum)
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17:51 benrob0329 VanessaE: still needs to get his ass back on irc :D
17:51 VanessaE maybe he's here and is just hiding? :)P
17:51 VanessaE :P
17:52 red-001 * x-files intro start*
17:52 garywhite The truth is still out there...
17:52 * garywhite disappears
17:52 red-001 maybe he is loggingbot_
17:52 VanessaE heh
18:19 Calinou hi again
18:20 Calinou https://lut.im/bWHF4hnXRS/YeUKhUHesX3QHwu9.jpg - https://lut.im/xEACt3KxX7/QpiihR61QfrZB6gZ.jpg
18:20 Krock hi Calinou
18:20 Calinou if anyone's wondering how my PC looks from the inside :P
18:20 Calinou I just took photos
18:20 Calinou the LED is rainbow-colored
18:20 Krock needs more hard drives
18:20 benrob0329 >looks at flight yokes
18:20 benrob0329 $200+
18:20 benrob0329 Wtf
18:21 Calinou what's a flight yoke?
18:21 Krock Calinou, nice setup you've got there
18:21 Calinou Krock: yep, only one SSD and that's it
18:21 Calinou I could add an HDD some day, but I don't need it right now
18:21 Krock I wonder how fast it will wear out o.o
18:21 benrob0329 Calinou: like the flight wheel thing, but USB for sims
18:21 Calinou oh god, I have 7.4 GB left on my HDD right now…
18:21 Calinou SSD*
18:22 Calinou I need to reduce that infamous 34 GB swap
18:22 Calinou but I need to boot on live media to do that
18:22 Calinou (I'm not using LVM)
18:22 Krock Calinou, got any PATA connectors there? :trollface:  got a terabyte for you
18:22 Calinou there was a deal on a 4 TB HDD but it expired
18:22 Calinou there is one on a 6 TB though…
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18:24 Calinou apparently it can be noisy :/
18:24 Calinou so, not sure
18:24 Calinou but it's 7200rpm, better for games
18:27 sfan5 just buy an ssd
18:39 TommyTreasure does the 'tell' command work here, and if so, can someone tell me the correct syntax?
18:40 RobbieF !tell TommyTreasure Correct Syntax
18:40 ShadowBot RobbieF: O.K.
18:40 TommyTreasure ty RobbieF
18:40 RobbieF :D
18:40 TommyTreasure !tell Tenplus1 please ping me when you're online.  thanks!
18:40 ShadowBot TommyTreasure: O.K.
18:41 kaeza ,,(tell RobbieF this also works)
18:41 ShadowBot kaeza: O.K.
18:41 RobbieF !tell kaeza I was going for comic effect more than anything  :p
18:41 ShadowBot RobbieF: O.K.
18:42 kaeza RobbieF, you can also ,,(tell RobbieF embed it) in the middle this way :P
18:42 ShadowBot kaeza: O.K.
18:42 RobbieF kaeza's like a boss.
18:42 RobbieF way to confuse people  LOL
18:42 benrob0329 A bowass
18:43 RobbieF ^^ missing a hyphen?
18:43 benrob0329 Bowas? Bowse? Bouse? Bow'se?
18:43 benrob0329 Bow'se
18:44 RobbieF I like it. Very Klingon.
18:44 kaeza hyphen, not apostrophe :P
18:44 kaeza ---
18:44 kaeza ~karma -
18:44 ShadowBot kaeza: Karma for "-" has been increased 0 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of -1.
18:44 RobbieF Damn, once again my attempts at humor just flew way past kaeza
18:44 RobbieF Or my attempts aren't that good.
18:44 kaeza ^
18:45 * benrob0329 's schedule needs to clear up
18:45 RobbieF :p
18:45 kaeza don't worry, I've seen worse
18:45 benrob0329 I hate being tired at the end of the day
18:46 * RobbieF 's hemorrhoids need to clear up
18:46 kaeza tmi
18:46 benrob0329 ^ lol
18:46 * RobbieF wonders why kaeza no say "don't worry, I've seen worse" to Robbie's version of the comment.
18:49 * benrob0329 thinks that RobbieF should install gentoo for an episode of tech TV :P
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18:49 * RobbieF thinks Gentoo would require a 14 hour marathon.
18:50 benrob0329 You could always narrate over a timelapse
18:51 cheapie "And now we wait for this software to install..." *timelapse of 5 hours of GCC output*
18:51 benrob0329 Shouldn't take *that* long for the base system to compile
18:52 benrob0329 Now if your using KDE5...
18:52 benrob0329 Good luck
18:54 benrob0329 But like, FF compiles for me in well under an hour
18:54 benrob0329 Like probably a half hour at most
19:02 Fixer cheapie: add vaporwave and stream it on internet, lets play gentoo...***
19:03 Fixer compile time!
19:03 Fixer new debian stable release very soon
19:03 cheapie benrob0329: Evidently you've never tried using Gentoo on a 1.2 GHz VIA C3 :P
19:03 RobbieF Stretch has been rock solid for like a year  :D
19:04 RobbieF nice that they finally announced a release date... been a long time coming.
19:05 Fixer cheapie: back to 2002 feel
19:05 cheapie This was in 2010 :/
19:05 Fixer ._.
19:05 cheapie (hey, at least the box had an SSD)
19:05 benrob0329 cheapie: nope, but my laptop should give an interesting result
19:05 Fixer https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VIA_​C3#/media/File:VIA_C3_sub_notebook.jpg a time when notebook had proper screen, and not this small height shit
19:06 Calinou sfan5: SSD prices went way up in a year, sadly
19:07 sfan5 did they?
19:07 sfan5 hm indeed
19:08 Calinou the SSD I bought last year (Samsung 850 EVO 1 TB) was €280 back then, now it's €320
19:08 Fixer *_*
19:08 Calinou and for €180, I could get a 6 TB HDD
19:09 Calinou less expensive, 6× more storage :P
19:09 Fixer need to buy that 1TB hdd...
19:09 Calinou that was the deal I was talking about
19:10 benrob0329 A 1 TB SSD???
19:10 benrob0329 dang
19:14 Calinou benrob0329: yep
19:14 Calinou since last year :)
19:15 Calinou my PC celebrated its birthday a few days ago, I think
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19:20 Fixer my pc should be 5 years old by now
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19:20 tenplus1 hi folks
19:20 Fixer 10 year old lcd monitor
19:20 red-001 hi
19:20 tenplus1 hi red, fixer :P
19:22 Shara Hi 11
19:22 tenplus1 hi Shara :)
19:25 DI3HARD139 VIA still makes CPUs?
19:26 tenplus1 yeah, they still make low powered quad cores and 360 degree cameras n stuff :) busy wee company :D
19:26 Fixer tidyman:
19:27 shivajiva http://www.viatech.com/en/silicon/processors/
19:27 DI3HARD139 It's been forever since I last heard about them.
19:29 shivajiva Hello everyone, hope you are all having a good day :)
19:29 DI3HARD139 Hello
19:29 tenplus1 hi fixer, hi DI3HARD139
19:29 tenplus1 hishiva
19:30 DI3HARD139 hello tenplus1
19:30 Fixer no need to hi everybody, just do it once %)
19:30 tenplus1 ehehehehe
19:31 DI3HARD139 C'mon.... He's just trying to be friendly :)
19:31 DI3HARD139 Apologies if I just assumed the incorrect gender
19:31 Raven262 Hello tenplus1
19:31 Raven262 Or shall i say 11
19:31 Raven262 Oo
19:32 tenplus1 hi raven :P
19:32 * tenplus1 identifies as an icebox filled with donuts
19:32 Raven262 I've got a terrible idea for a subgame, it might even be fun.
19:32 DI3HARD139 Alright! Ill make not of that
19:32 Raven262 Icebox?
19:32 DI3HARD139 note*
19:33 Raven262 Well then icebox, nice to meet ya
19:34 Raven262 I accidentally wrote a tutorial this morning: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.ph​p?f=9&amp;t=17654&amp;p=273857#p273850
19:34 Raven262 I didn't intend to make it that detailed, but it worked out
19:45 benrob0329 Hi tenplus1
19:45 tenplus1 hi benrob
19:45 benrob0329 🍩🍩🍩🍩🍩🍩🍩🍩🍩
19:45 tenplus1 Mobs Redo API updated with a few glitches fixed for anyone interested :P
19:45 benrob0329 Cool cool
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19:49 tenplus1 hi voltz
19:49 VaultyLappy sup
19:50 Shara The Vaulty One uses some interesting names :)
19:50 VaultyLappy :P
19:50 VaultyLappy Eldritchis my Minecraft IGN (EldritchGuardian) and Voltz is a modpack
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20:19 tenplus1 http://memes1.fjcdn.com/hdgifs/L​ittle+cuties_5ba8ed_6283371.mp4
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20:43 DI3HARD139 quick question. Did the name of tnt change?
20:44 DI3HARD139 Keeps saying "Cannot give unknown item" when using /giveme tnt:tnt
20:44 tenplus1 is it enabled ???
20:44 tenplus1 remember last minetest change disables tnt on servers by default...
20:45 DI3HARD139 enable_tnt = true is set in the minetest.conf
20:46 tenplus1 can you  /give tnt:tnt_burning    ok ?
20:46 red-001 ahhh irclicht strings are a pain to work with
20:46 DI3HARD139 unless that setting was moved to the world.mt file just like the pvp and creative settings were
20:47 red-001 sadly it wasn't
20:47 red-001 no per-world settings yet
20:47 red-001 at least not in a non-hacky way
20:49 garywhite We're destroying an old world that's gonna be replaced very soon
20:49 DI3HARD139 I'm still curious if there are any plans to move to Vulkan
20:49 DI3HARD139 I had to add enable_tnt = true to the world.mt file
20:50 DI3HARD139 the /giveme tnt:tnt_burning was returning the same error
20:50 tenplus1 in that case tnt mod isnt active...
20:51 tenplus1 you running default or custom game ?
20:51 DI3HARD139 custom
20:51 DI3HARD139 well sorta
20:51 tenplus1 check dependencies
20:51 DI3HARD139 Just a modified version of the game
20:51 DI3HARD139 minetest_game
20:51 DI3HARD139 fire is present. Its working now that I added it to the world.mt file
20:52 tenplus1 :PP
20:53 DI3HARD139 Just gonna sit here and wait for 50000+ tnt  to finish burning
20:54 tenplus1 lol
20:54 DI3HARD139 err. 580032
20:54 DI3HARD139 to be exact
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20:54 tenplus1 hi stone
20:58 red-001 does anyone here know how to convert core::string<fschar_t> to a normal string encoded with utf-8?
21:01 garywhite someone WE'd in 580,000 TNT nodes
21:05 DI3HARD139 Quick question. Where does one enable tnt damage?
21:06 tenplus1 minetest.conf
21:06 DI3HARD139 tnt_damage = true?
21:07 tenplus1 enable_tnt = true
21:09 DI3HARD139 hmm.... thats already enabled. I wonder why there isn't a massive hole in the map along with the buildings not being destroyed
21:09 tenplus1 no idea..
21:21 Fixer hmhmmhmh https://i.imgur.com/WHFeqVW.png
21:22 Fixer still bothers me
21:22 tenplus1 nice
21:22 Fixer not good enough
21:22 Fixer will rebuild middle part
21:22 Fixer too linear
21:22 tenplus1 lol
21:26 Calinou benrob0329: see Godot Discord or IRC for a PBR demo I made :P
21:26 Calinou with the latest Git commit
21:26 Calinou it performs quite well now (but there's only 3 TestCubes)
21:27 tenplus1 hi Cal
21:27 Fixer Calc
21:28 kaeza hug?
21:29 tenplus1 hi kaeza :P
21:29 * Fixer hugs kaeza
21:29 tenplus1 nite folks :P sleepy time
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21:29 * kaeza hugs tenplus1 and Fixer
21:29 kaeza too late :I
21:29 * kaeza hugs Calinou too, just in case
21:30 Calinou :D
21:30 Calinou I'll go sleep, night
21:31 Fixer kaeza: http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/ne​wsfeed/000/107/432/i_hug_that_feel.png
21:33 Fixer http://new4.fjcdn.com/comments/Gt+tfw+your+r​unescape+friends+list+is+nothing+but+red+off​lines+_db305a94a8f1dbd8729c0ef7c7cb66c8.jpg
21:38 Fixer core i9 announced, any more overclocking related news?
21:39 Fixer so much expensive cores
21:40 nerzhul i'm waiting for core i11 with 64 cores 128 threads for running vim and tmux
21:40 cheapie nerzhul: I think with one of those you might almost be able to run Emacs.
21:40 nerzhul useless for a gamer, useless for desktop, only massive calculs on massive apps or photo are useful
21:40 nerzhul cheapie, xD
21:40 kaeza and firefox. maybe it can run acceptably well on that
21:40 cheapie Nah, I think you need at least an i15 for Firefox.
21:41 Fixer year 2030, 64 cores, minetest still uses first core at 100%
21:41 kaeza har
21:41 kaeza blame Lua
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21:42 Jordach >sees portal 2 and l4d2 has updates
21:42 Jordach ofuk
21:42 cheapie It's kind of a shame there's no real way to split something off into its own thread from within a mod... there are a few use cases I've found for it.
21:42 Calinou nerzhul: http://www.commitstrip.com/en​/2016/12/22/terminal-forever/
21:42 Calinou this ^
21:43 Jordach Calinou, nothing better than knowing both
21:43 Calinou then we call it a TUI :D
21:43 Calinou text user interface
21:43 Calinou like htop, tig…
21:43 Fixer Calinou: by that time GUI will degenerate so much that CLI will be regarded as magic / save this tweet
21:43 Fixer and PRO guys will still use it
21:44 Jordach *REEEEEEE*
21:44 Fixer while peasants fuck with another 1 button 1000x1000px graphic app
21:44 Jordach >BF1 has updates
21:46 Fixer Jordach: update fast @ live short
21:47 Jordach Fixer, my fiber
21:47 Jordach *reeeeee*
21:47 Fixer Jordach: *adsl*
21:48 Fixer now thats reeeeee
21:48 Jordach Fixer, used to have 8mbit adsl
21:48 Jordach FeelsBadMan
21:48 Fixer Jordach: 2mbit....
21:52 benrob0329 Calinou: nothing beats the terminal
21:53 benrob0329 Except for web browsing
21:54 Fixer https://i.imgur.com/ljNYf1i.png hmmmm
21:54 Fixer goofy
21:57 benrob0329 octacian: idea for the workbench
21:58 octacian Go for it, may not be able to respond right away though.
21:58 octacian Currently working on an incredibly complex math lesson in hopes of tomorrow being my last day of school :D
21:58 benrob0329 When you repair a tool, it will repair it according to the amount of that material in the craft recipe
21:59 benrob0329 So like, a shovel would be repaired completely
21:59 octacian And a pick would only repair 1/3 of the way... Interesting
21:59 benrob0329 Yes
22:00 octacian As soon as I get some time, I'll do it. Probably within the next few days - got a lot to do on a subgame I've been working on called Eden, and other stuff xD
22:13 Fixer trying to decrease goofiness https://i.imgur.com/o8XkXcF.png
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22:41 Fixer still thinking https://i.imgur.com/qKjyv3M.png
22:44 Fixer few more ideas
22:46 Fixer https://i.imgur.com/8KVHjwC.png
22:51 Fixer Thinking face emoji (U+1F914) https://i.imgur.com/qer4nJg.png
22:56 Fixer homedecor by Vanissa
22:57 cheapie inb4 "<VanessaE> Come on, at least spell my name right"
22:58 VanessaE Fixer: your spelling sucks rocks :P
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22:59 Fixer VanessaE: https://i.imgur.com/aqcCcFL.png
22:59 VanessaE ....
22:59 VanessaE ...
22:59 cheapie ..
22:59 VanessaE !
22:59 VanessaE nice house though
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23:05 red-001 hi stormchaser3000
23:06 paramat ~tell Zeno` since we are considering giving Grandolf another chance on IRC see https://pastebin.com/zZm4xXhW , he needs to behave :]
23:06 ShadowBot paramat: O.K.
23:06 paramat ^ Shara sfan5
23:06 sfan5 why do i care about people being salty
23:06 red-001 is that the same thing I pasted yesterday?
23:07 Fixer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ao97vrAkF8
23:07 Shara paramat: Considering? He's been in the channels since the initial ban.
23:07 red-001 sfan5, since this sort of behavior means that they are likely to cause trouble in the future
23:08 Shara Or halt was in -dev anyway, and that comes down to the same thing.
23:08 sfan5 zeno has unbanned him already
23:08 Shara I originally told Grandolf he's welcome of joining -hub when he starts producing some kind of contribution, and offered him some advice to get started with mods.
23:09 Shara He then accused me of being the one to ban a certain someone.
23:09 red-001 well he is good friends with the someone
23:09 Shara Grandolf later apologised to me, then the other stuff happened.
23:10 red-001 the someone blogs about him and a certain freenode OPP
23:10 red-001 but lets forget that someone
23:10 red-001 let the someone become a no one
23:11 Shara Well, this was about Grandolf, and the only mention to anyone else is as in relation to that
23:11 Fixer still experimenting https://i.imgur.com/bcqt3mk.png
23:12 Shara Personally I'd rather not have him in -hub, because I don't think he's contributed anything. But can see what other ops think if he does show up.
23:12 Fixer just admit it is because of overclocking
23:14 red-001 watch out when you are overclocking
23:15 Fixer i've increased core frequency just by 20MHz to see invalid pixels
23:19 Fixer invalid = white snow
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23:21 Fixer also this https://i.ytimg.com/vi/KaJ​nl0EnU3Y/maxresdefault.jpg
23:21 Fixer faulty memory (iirc)
23:26 Fixer https://www.overclockers.ua/vide​o/ati-radeon-hd2900xt/13-big.png
23:29 Fixer http://www.playtool.com/page​s/artifacts/screen0032fh.jpg
23:30 Fixer exactly my case: https://hwzone.co.il/reviews-file​s/pc_problems_guide/artifacts.jpg
23:32 red-001 well in that youtube video the issues also occurs with other in-game objects
23:33 Fixer faulty gpu gives weird snowing on screen, faulty mem gives those textures
23:33 Fixer had both *_*
23:33 Fixer ATI, amen
23:34 Fixer thankfully, in 2011 minetest was not affected by this problems
23:34 Fixer before i upgraded it
23:36 Fixer probably it used less VRAM at the time
23:37 Fixer since I had about 256MB of vram
23:37 Fixer carl...
23:37 Fixer faulty part was problem at the end or smth
23:41 red-001 oh btw re grandolf they are still banned on #minetest
23:42 red-001 kinda strange if you ask me if they are allowed on -dev but not there
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