| Time |
Nick |
Message |
| 00:01 |
Jordach__ |
rubenwardy, hearthstone_well_played.png |
| 00:01 |
Jordach__ |
dockerizing all the things is a silly idea |
| 00:02 |
rubenwardy |
well, I need someone to manage all the stuff |
| 00:02 |
rubenwardy |
*someway |
| 00:02 |
rubenwardy |
docker works for web apps and NGINX |
| 00:03 |
Jordach__ |
rubenwardy, just use github gists as your configs |
| 00:03 |
Jordach__ |
:^) |
| 00:04 |
Jordach__ |
i'm out for the night, leaving my laptop running fer chromecast |
| 00:05 |
Fixer |
http://files.explosm.net/comics/Rob/reunion.png |
| 00:22 |
benrob0329 |
diegom: its not my script 0:-) |
| 00:27 |
benrob0329 |
ｉｄ＀ｎｅｅｄ＀ｔï½ï¼€ï½†ï½ï½’ｋ＀ｉｔ |
| 00:27 |
benrob0329 |
not that its broken on my client, i have proper unicode support :P |
| 00:31 |
VanessaE |
"you can't drive a forklift!" "I can drive any forkin' thing around." |
| 00:34 |
benrob0329 |
lol |
| 00:34 |
benrob0329 |
using vim keys to switch and manage windows is really nice |
| 00:35 |
VanessaE |
oh for G*d sakes, talk about misreading that |
| 00:35 |
VanessaE |
I read that as "id need a forklift" |
| 00:36 |
VaultyTowers |
oh my |
| 00:36 |
NathanS21 |
I read it as the same Vanessa |
| 00:36 |
NathanS21 |
but I do drive forklifts 'professionally' |
| 00:37 |
VanessaE |
I haven't driven one in... 25 years? |
| 00:37 |
VanessaE |
pretty sure I still remember it though |
| 00:37 |
NathanS21 |
just remember not to turn your blinkers on when you want to shift gears in the car.... |
| 00:37 |
VanessaE |
hm, well over 20 anyway |
| 00:37 |
VanessaE |
heh |
| 00:38 |
NathanS21 |
I can't count the number of times I've done that after getting out of work. LOL |
| 00:39 |
benrob0329 |
reversed controls i take it? |
| 00:40 |
NathanS21 |
on the forklift there is a lever on the left of the steering column |
| 00:40 |
NathanS21 |
make that right |
| 00:40 |
NathanS21 |
right of the column |
| 00:40 |
NathanS21 |
right where the wiper controls are in most cars |
| 00:41 |
NathanS21 |
Almost drove into a light pole once because of that |
| 00:41 |
NathanS21 |
put the car into drive, with the shifter, but should have been going in reverse to pull out |
| 00:41 |
NathanS21 |
I started moving forwards and flicked my wipers on |
| 00:43 |
benrob0329 |
i feel like that is a safty hazard... |
| 00:43 |
VanessaE |
the one I drove, if I remember right, had all of the controls/levers on a separate console to one side |
| 00:43 |
VanessaE |
(save for the gas/brake) |
| 00:43 |
NathanS21 |
the controls are completely different from a car, save for the pedals |
| 00:44 |
NathanS21 |
you've got controls to move the forks, side to side, up and down, and tilt |
| 00:44 |
NathanS21 |
if the truck has side to side |
| 00:44 |
NathanS21 |
usually not an issue |
| 00:44 |
VanessaE |
this one did, yeah |
| 00:44 |
VanessaE |
tilt, shift, raise/lower, and the electric reach truck had a ..well.. reach feature also |
| 00:45 |
VanessaE |
(there were two that I drove commonly there) |
| 00:45 |
VanessaE |
(that one was a piece of crap though. had a half a ton battery "pack" that could barely last half an hour of continuous light use) |
| 00:46 |
NathanS21 |
sounds like a new battery would have been a good investment for the company |
| 00:48 |
NathanS21 |
Everything I currently drive is propane, so no issues there. :) |
| 01:12 |
VanessaE |
yeah, we all complained about it |
| 01:12 |
VanessaE |
they were too cheap to replace it |
| 01:18 |
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| 01:19 |
Megaf |
Sneaking in |
| 01:19 |
Megaf |
Testing SwiftKey keyboard too in the tumb mode layout |
| 01:19 |
* Shara |
pounces on the tiger |
| 01:19 |
Shara |
Hi Megaf |
| 01:19 |
benrob0329 |
hi Megaf |
| 01:20 |
Megaf |
Hi everybody. It is great seeing you |
| 01:20 |
Megaf |
Specially now that I haven't been joining much lately |
| 01:20 |
Megaf |
How are things? |
| 01:21 |
Shara |
Sleepy |
| 01:22 |
Megaf |
Hehe |
| 01:22 |
Megaf |
I will not be sleeping tonight |
| 01:22 |
Shara |
I'm trying to get a study project submitted so... who knows if I will either |
| 01:23 |
Megaf |
I have been sleep late and waking up late too. So will stay awake to try to reset myself |
| 01:26 |
Shara |
Good luck |
| 01:30 |
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| 01:39 |
Megaf |
I gotta find a cheap yet decent USB keyboard |
| 01:39 |
benrob0329 |
Megaf: currently trying to teach a friend how to edit videos |
| 01:39 |
benrob0329 |
also trying out AwesomeWM |
| 01:39 |
Megaf |
You sir, do you feel pleasure in suffering? |
| 01:40 |
Megaf |
I was pretty happy with gnome 3 |
| 01:41 |
Megaf |
At least in usability |
| 01:41 |
Megaf |
Lots of room for improvement performance wise |
| 01:43 |
Megaf |
Any news from the old gentleman that codes? |
| 01:44 |
* Megaf |
awkwardly looks at Shara |
| 01:44 |
Shara |
There are logs. |
| 01:45 |
Megaf |
Will take that as a yes then |
| 01:45 |
Shara |
Not sure what else to say :( |
| 01:46 |
* Megaf |
is a computerless person now |
| 01:51 |
Megaf |
Very sad, isn't it? |
| 01:51 |
Shara |
How'd that happen? |
| 01:53 |
Megaf |
Water on the keyboard happened |
| 01:54 |
VaultyLappy |
anyone who wants to watch any tv show Download Kodi |
| 01:54 |
VaultyLappy |
and install the exodus add-on |
| 01:55 |
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| 03:24 |
diegom |
benrob0329, http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/ff00/index.htm |
| 03:25 |
diegom |
"U+FF00 is not a valid unicode character." |
| 03:25 |
diegom |
so your script is still broken :P |
| 03:30 |
diegom |
well, your client, rather |
| 04:26 |
octacian |
Night all :D |
| 04:27 |
octacian |
Unless I decide to come back before morning :rotfl: |
| 04:59 |
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| 07:43 |
Calinou |
hi |
| 07:43 |
Calinou |
rubenwardy: I could use Docker now that I have a KVM-based VPS (instead of OpenVZ) but I don't, I don't see the need |
| 07:43 |
Calinou |
I did set up systemd services for game servers and the like, at least, I used to just start them in screens but that was a hack |
| 07:44 |
Calinou |
(this means I can't control them from their ncurses interfaces though, but it does not really matter) |
| 07:55 |
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| 08:25 |
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| 08:27 |
red-002 |
could someone voice IhrFussel ? |
| 08:27 |
red-002 |
!list |
| 08:27 |
ShadowBot |
red-002: Admin, Aka, Anonymous, BanNotify, Brainfuck, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Conditional, Config, Ctcp, DDG, Debug, DerplangPlus, Dict, Filter, FloodProtector, Format, Games, GitHub, Karma, Later, Logger, Math, MessageParser, Minetest, Misc, MoobotFactoids, Network, Note, Owner, Plugin, Quote, Reply, Scheduler, Services, Status, String, Time, Topic, URL, Unix, User, Util, (1 more message) |
| 08:27 |
red-002 |
!help aka |
| 08:27 |
ShadowBot |
red-002: Error: There is no command "aka". However, "Aka" is the name of a loaded plugin, and you may be able to find its provided commands using 'list Aka'. |
| 08:28 |
red-002 |
!help Aka |
| 08:28 |
ShadowBot |
red-002: Error: There is no command "aka". However, "Aka" is the name of a loaded plugin, and you may be able to find its provided commands using 'list Aka'. |
| 08:28 |
red-002 |
!help Anonymous |
| 08:28 |
ShadowBot |
red-002: Error: There is no command "anonymous". However, "Anonymous" is the name of a loaded plugin, and you may be able to find its provided commands using 'list Anonymous'. |
| 08:32 |
red-002 |
I guess no ops are online then |
| 08:50 |
Calinou |
hmm, https://github.com/desktop/desktop |
| 08:50 |
Calinou |
the official GitHub app rewrite is open source? :o |
| 08:50 |
Calinou |
(it used to be a native app, now they're moving to something Electron-based) |
| 08:51 |
Calinou |
although there doesn't seem to be Linux support, and official builds have a restrictive EULA |
| 08:55 |
lumidify |
Has anyone here used https://www.scaleway.com/? |
| 08:56 |
Calinou |
there's ongoing work, https://github.com/desktop/desktop/issues/1525 |
| 08:57 |
Calinou |
nope, not me |
| 09:00 |
Shara |
Morning all |
| 09:00 |
Calinou |
hi |
| 09:01 |
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| 09:08 |
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| 09:13 |
Shara |
Hi Zeno` |
| 09:21 |
red-002 |
hey Zeno` can IhrFussel have voice? |
| 09:22 |
red-002 |
hi all |
| 09:22 |
nerzhul |
it's 50$ |
| 09:22 |
Shara |
red-002: I already gave him it a while back? |
| 09:22 |
red-002 |
Shara, he went offline |
| 09:23 |
Shara |
Not according to what I see |
| 09:23 |
red-002 |
oh nvm |
| 09:23 |
red-002 |
I didn't notice |
| 09:24 |
Shara |
Actually, just added him to list :) |
| 09:25 |
red-002 |
ah so chanserv will be able to do it's thing now? |
| 09:25 |
Shara |
Yup. |
| 09:25 |
Shara |
I wish mransom would register his name :( |
| 09:27 |
IhrFussel |
Hello and thanks again |
| 09:27 |
Shara |
No problem :) |
| 09:41 |
VaultyLappy |
i registered my name lol |
| 09:42 |
Shara |
VaultyLappy: Added you to list |
| 09:42 |
VaultyLappy |
thanks |
| 09:42 |
VaultyLappy |
its as VaultBoy but i should be identified |
| 09:43 |
Shara |
Yea, I added it as VaultBoy, so don't worry :) |
| 09:50 |
VaultyLappy |
aight :P |
| 09:54 |
* Jordach |
purrs |
| 09:54 |
Jordach |
heading out shopping in london |
| 09:55 |
Shara |
Jordach: Meow :) |
| 09:55 |
Jordach |
removing my phones tether......now |
| 09:55 |
Jordach |
meow, Shara |
| 10:20 |
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| 12:21 |
rubenwardy |
do you like GoT, nerzhul? |
| 12:21 |
rubenwardy |
re: your host name |
| 12:21 |
nerzhul |
heh |
| 12:22 |
nerzhul |
it's my FreeBSD front server name |
| 12:22 |
rubenwardy |
was just wondering if it was a GoT reference |
| 12:24 |
nerzhul |
King's Landing it Iron Throne city |
| 12:26 |
Fixer |
suddenly |
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| 12:44 |
nore |
nerzhul: iron throne is the French name :p, it's game of thrones or a song of ice and fire in English :) |
| 12:46 |
red-003 |
ahh the good old "world's most uncomfortable chair" |
| 12:47 |
Fixer |
two chairs.... |
| 12:49 |
nerzhul |
nore, i talked about the throne itself not the book title :) |
| 12:49 |
nore |
nerzhul: oh, okay :) |
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| 12:58 |
DS-minetest |
we need something like this http://wiki.minetest.net/Help:Installing_Mods for clientmods |
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nerzhul |
DS-minetest, without doubt, feel free to coontribute :) |
| 13:17 |
red-003 |
DS-minetest, great idea |
| 13:17 |
red-003 |
I was meaning to write something like that but I wasn't able to find the time |
| 13:19 |
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| 13:23 |
benrob0329 |
Calinou: I find it sad that a company that hosts the worlds code doesn't want to open source their desktop app |
| 13:29 |
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| 13:33 |
octacian |
Well, I had a totally great morning. Launch YT to check how the video I uploaded last night is doing, and I discover it was removed for "Inappropriate content" |
| 13:35 |
octacian |
heh |
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| 13:39 |
DS-minetest |
hmm, instead of making a new topic called something like "installing clientmods", the installing mods site could include clientmods |
| 13:40 |
DS-minetest |
(it also explains how to install modpacks) |
| 13:41 |
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| 13:42 |
Megaf |
Greetings everyone |
| 13:42 |
Megaf |
Did I spam the channel earlier on? |
| 13:43 |
Raven262 |
Greetings Megaf |
| 13:49 |
benrob0329 |
Hi Megaf |
| 13:49 |
benrob0329 |
octacian: wait what |
| 13:49 |
octacian |
benrob0329: Yeah, ridiculous. That video you commented on was removed for being inappropriate |
| 13:50 |
benrob0329 |
just....what??? |
| 13:50 |
octacian |
Apparently it had "Inappropriate content" |
| 13:51 |
octacian |
I'm like... WHAT!? If THAT is inappropriate, why do either pewdiepie OR LeafyIsHere still exist? |
| 13:51 |
benrob0329 |
money |
| 13:51 |
octacian |
They haven't always been that big though... And for most of them, they were no different when they were smaller |
| 13:52 |
benrob0329 |
Although they seem to care less and less about creators |
| 13:52 |
octacian |
Although the rules were also probably different then. |
| 13:52 |
octacian |
Yeah |
| 13:52 |
benrob0329 |
Youtube is becoming corporate, mind you |
| 13:52 |
octacian |
Yeah |
| 13:52 |
benrob0329 |
They now have "Youtube TV" n such |
| 13:53 |
benrob0329 |
didn't mind YT red, giving creators sn extra boost for a show |
| 13:53 |
benrob0329 |
But putting normal tv on youtube and pushing creators aside? |
| 13:53 |
octacian |
Yeah, same |
| 13:54 |
benrob0329 |
its sad because now the good channels that did receive money wont exactly leave |
| 13:55 |
Fixer |
remember my words: DL good stuff of youtube, some day you will lose it all |
| 13:56 |
octacian |
Well, there goes what was supposed to be a productive morning working on a subgame. Instead spent it reading all of YT's community guidlines.... |
| 13:58 |
octacian |
Speaking of which though, would anyone be willing to give me a hand with my modified item drop? It has extra additions supporting movement with water, however, having an issue where items go through walls. If anybody is willing, let me know and I can give you line numbers. https://gist.github.com/octacian/8bd7f000dfb2748e6802ef6b151f33ea |
| 14:00 |
behalebabo |
octacian: doesn't local new_pos = minetest.find_node_near(object:get_pos(), 1, "air") cause the item to teleport into any node, not just air? |
| 14:01 |
behalebabo |
ok, thinking of other function |
| 14:01 |
octacian |
No, just air. That's to move items out from inside nodes. However, before that is called, the item is moved inside the node by water flow |
| 14:03 |
benrob0329 |
https://www.minds.com/ |
| 14:03 |
benrob0329 |
Oh shoot! !! |
| 14:03 |
behalebabo |
octacian: do they always go through walls? or is it only part of the time? |
| 14:03 |
Megaf |
We should have a totally P2P encrypted network |
| 14:03 |
Megaf |
Using DHT |
| 14:04 |
Megaf |
Routed via onion |
| 14:04 |
octacian |
All the time. If you test it out by putting some flowing water and a node at the end, the dropped item will go into the node at the end |
| 14:04 |
* Megaf |
hides |
| 14:04 |
behalebabo |
Megaf: what about I2P? |
| 14:04 |
octacian |
What seems to happen, is the item sits there for a few moments just bouncing around in physical mode, then, the item switched to not physical for less than a second, goes into the node, and back to physical |
| 14:05 |
octacian |
However, there is only one place in the code where the item is changed to non-physical, and even with that line commented out, it still happens |
| 14:05 |
Megaf |
I'm not familiar with that term benrob0329 |
| 14:05 |
Megaf |
benrob0329: oh yeah |
| 14:06 |
Megaf |
That's one of the solutions |
| 14:06 |
Megaf |
I've seen others |
| 14:06 |
Megaf |
But I'm happy with none |
| 14:06 |
benrob0329 |
Megaf: its called a nicer way of saying oh $h!+ |
| 14:06 |
benrob0329 |
Because I didn't feel like swearing |
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| 14:10 |
red-003 |
huh I think this channel has more people then the old one used to |
| 14:23 |
Fixer |
https://i.imgur.com/ZJBCbvK.png |
| 14:23 |
Fixer |
what are those people, servers full of them... multicraft? |
| 14:23 |
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| 14:24 |
Raven262 |
Who knows, there are more of them than there are ants on the planet |
| 14:24 |
DS-minetest |
perhaps some alternative guest names |
| 14:24 |
Raven262 |
I mean, i couldn't join Xanadu yesterday two times cause it was full, guess of what. |
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| 14:26 |
VanessaE |
rebooting my servers (clearing out the xban list) |
| 14:27 |
VanessaE |
oops, wrong channel |
| 14:29 |
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| 14:33 |
octacian |
benrob0329: heh, On the plus side, YT just removed the strike and brought the video back up :D |
| 14:35 |
benrob0329 |
octacian: -_- |
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| 14:37 |
Megaf |
benrob0329: I'm connected to i2p |
| 14:38 |
benrob0329 |
Megaf: i2p? |
| 14:38 |
Megaf |
And joined thir channel at 127.0.0.1:6668 |
| 14:38 |
Megaf |
I mean |
| 14:38 |
Megaf |
behalebabo: |
| 14:38 |
Megaf |
:) |
| 14:38 |
Megaf |
Sorry benrob0329 |
| 14:39 |
* Jordach |
just feels like shit |
| 14:39 |
Jordach |
one MT client, potato laptop |
| 14:39 |
Jordach |
what server |
| 14:40 |
benrob0329 |
Subgames for all |
| 14:40 |
Jordach |
uwotm8 |
| 14:41 |
red-backup |
wait what? |
| 14:46 |
* Jordach |
looks at VanessaE's survival server |
| 14:46 |
Jordach |
potato laptop vs that thing |
| 14:54 |
Fixer |
i wonder if there are ways to ban android on server |
| 14:55 |
Fixer |
not in VanessaE way |
| 14:55 |
Fixer |
but more simple, elegant way |
| 14:59 |
DS-minetest |
lol, VanessaE way is making the server so heavy to make it unplayable, right? |
| 14:59 |
VanessaE |
er, no :P |
| 14:59 |
Fixer |
yeah |
| 14:59 |
VanessaE |
if android clients can't handle a heavy server, fix the clients :P |
| 15:00 |
Fixer |
if only there was some neat bug or exploit that crashed just android clients while connecting to particular server :} |
| 15:00 |
VanessaE |
(doesn't help much that android manufacturers skimp so badly on RAM) |
| 15:02 |
benrob0329 |
Jordach: its a minigame server |
| 15:02 |
benrob0329 |
Pretty good actually |
| 15:03 |
IhrFussel |
Fixer, you're joking but there actually IS a way to make all 0.4.14 Android clients crash while connecting to a server: Display an error message while they try to connect |
| 15:03 |
benrob0329 |
Lol |
| 15:03 |
Fixer |
IhrFussel: just 0.4.14? |
| 15:03 |
benrob0329 |
Wait, does that literally crash them? |
| 15:04 |
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| 15:04 |
IhrFussel |
Just 0.4.14 and yes the app will just close |
| 15:04 |
Fixer |
nice |
| 15:04 |
Fixer |
too bad it is 0.4.14 only |
| 15:05 |
Jordach |
Fixer, most of the clones are .14 |
| 15:05 |
benrob0329 |
Feature check? |
| 15:05 |
Jordach |
;P |
| 15:05 |
benrob0329 |
Kick older clients? |
| 15:06 |
IhrFussel |
But we shouldn't treat the (few) people who actually use the official client as "bad" |
| 15:06 |
Jordach |
this is why clients need to send an official header |
| 15:07 |
Jordach |
like how tcp and HTTP sorts things |
| 15:07 |
Jordach |
needs compat num: x |
| 15:07 |
Jordach |
needs feature set: x |
| 15:08 |
IhrFussel |
And you think the clone devs won't be able to fake it? |
| 15:08 |
Jordach |
IhrFussel, making it more like a HTTP header solves things |
| 15:08 |
Fixer |
https://i.imgur.com/iNXxPIF.png |
| 15:08 |
Zeno` |
The clone devs should just update |
| 15:09 |
Jordach |
unlikely |
| 15:09 |
Jordach |
:^) |
| 15:09 |
Jordach |
more interested in milking than updating |
| 15:09 |
Zeno` |
Nothing to do with us then. They are free to update |
| 15:10 |
Jordach |
Zeno`, just let the server run a -dev version and then use a texture modifier that doesn't exist on mobile clients |
| 15:10 |
Jordach |
if they report that bug; ez ban |
| 15:10 |
IhrFussel |
One of my players told me "I see all names as white" although I use namecolors...how old was that commit again? 2013/2014? |
| 15:10 |
Zeno` |
Jordach, that's not in the spirit of open source |
| 15:10 |
Fixer |
Jordach: lol, nice |
| 15:10 |
Jordach |
Zeno`, then tell them to leave a shitty review on a "fork" |
| 15:11 |
Zeno` |
and how can we do that anyway? The check would be open source so the clone could add it themselves |
| 15:11 |
Jordach |
not my business to run servers for others |
| 15:11 |
Fixer |
Zeno`: sometimes people want a server without android/moms/mams/dads/sisters/brothers/crying/yelling/woodenboxes/horrificboxes/etc/etc |
| 15:11 |
Jordach |
but it's a solution to the problem |
| 15:11 |
Jordach |
that Fixer has somewhat asked for |
| 15:11 |
Zeno` |
But... there is no problem |
| 15:11 |
Jordach |
protip Fixer: using [multiply:#00000 in a texture line will make those clients whine like dogs |
| 15:11 |
Zeno` |
clones and forks are perfectly legit |
| 15:12 |
Jordach |
doesn't even have to be a usable node |
| 15:12 |
Jordach |
just one to exist will cause it |
| 15:12 |
Zeno` |
Jordach, and how do we "hide" that? |
| 15:12 |
Fixer |
Zeno`: it is not about clones, it was a about making server for #PCmasterrace people |
| 15:12 |
Fixer |
Zeno`: that kicks out androiders :} |
| 15:12 |
Zeno` |
Fixer, impossible |
| 15:12 |
Jordach |
Zeno`, the node in registry will make the clients report it to that user |
| 15:12 |
Jordach |
if they keep complaining |
| 15:12 |
Jordach |
then tough shit |
| 15:13 |
Jordach |
(an entity with that will also do it, spawn a cube underspawn with [multiply:#000000 also works |
| 15:13 |
Zeno` |
Like it or not, minetest is FOSS |
| 15:13 |
Jordach |
FOSS doesn't mean accomodating others |
| 15:14 |
Zeno` |
Jordach, but we also can't do anything at all to block them |
| 15:14 |
Fixer |
easy solution will be autokick of everything that has wordXXX %) |
| 15:14 |
Fixer |
Zeno`: no need to block them |
| 15:14 |
Jordach |
Fixer, maybe xban3 Kappa |
| 15:14 |
Zeno` |
that's no a solution. The clone could implement the same @#&*@&#@* code |
| 15:14 |
Fixer |
just make some android ghetto server for them %) |
| 15:14 |
Jordach |
Zeno`, considering renaming the project is what they do |
| 15:14 |
Jordach |
and not touching the shit we call networking |
| 15:15 |
Jordach |
most pump and dump chinese clients don't bother with such |
| 15:15 |
Zeno` |
Jordach, so they spoof the name when connecting |
| 15:16 |
Jordach |
Zeno`, most of the clones can't be bothered to port it right |
| 15:16 |
Jordach |
let alone change the mess of UDP networking |
| 15:16 |
Zeno` |
There is NOTHING we can do about the clones. Clones are encouraged by the license in fact |
| 15:16 |
Zeno` |
Jordach, so those ones won't work |
| 15:17 |
Fixer |
Zeno`: i started discussion not about clones btw, it was about: is it possible to create server for PC users only, in some way not letting android/ios peasants :trollface: |
| 15:17 |
Zeno` |
There is no issue here. If the clone complies with the license then *shrug* |
| 15:17 |
Zeno` |
Fixer, as I said: Impossible |
| 15:19 |
Fixer |
true englishman in sight! https://i.imgur.com/iie3uI4.png |
| 15:20 |
Zeno` |
Fixer, or do you suggest that we abandon our open source roots and create a secret fork of the source code? |
| 15:20 |
Zeno` |
(I don't even know if that's possible) |
| 15:20 |
Fixer |
Zeno`: not that |
| 15:21 |
Jordach |
Fixer, maybe registering a forum account then sending a pm to the server owner? |
| 15:21 |
Fixer |
Jordach: my idea was hypothetical |
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| 15:22 |
Fixer |
or, on other hand, I'm android lover and want read that amazing mom/mum/dad/dud roleplay and want to create android ghetto server :} |
| 15:24 |
Fixer |
and ban pc users from it $) |
| 15:24 |
Fixer |
to save their minds |
| 15:24 |
NathanS21 |
There are servers that require you to register on a website before they grant you any privs on the server |
| 15:24 |
* benrob0329 |
slaps Fixer with his 4-5 year old Galaxy Tab 2, in the otterbox |
| 15:24 |
* Fixer |
slaps benrob0329 with lenovo yoga |
| 15:25 |
Zeno` |
NathanS21, and what does that achieve? The user registers using a PC and then uses an Android to play |
| 15:25 |
Zeno` |
it's not as if using an Android to play offers any advantage |
| 15:25 |
* benrob0329 |
slaps Fixer with his spare PC case |
| 15:26 |
NathanS21 |
They could register with an Android device as well |
| 15:26 |
* Fixer |
slaps benrob0329 with PC case from year 2001 |
| 15:26 |
NathanS21 |
it just cuts out on the name0000 users that join |
| 15:26 |
NathanS21 |
as they can't do anything |
| 15:26 |
NathanS21 |
and most of them won't bother creating an account |
| 15:26 |
Fixer |
i have even more strange idea |
| 15:26 |
* benrob0329 |
slaps Fixer with an old XP system |
| 15:26 |
NathanS21 |
they'll just go to some other server where they can be annoying. |
| 15:26 |
Fixer |
when somebody connect to server: scan him with nmap -> detect android -> ban :D |
| 15:27 |
benrob0329 |
XD thats evil |
| 15:27 |
benrob0329 |
I love it |
| 15:27 |
Fixer |
show error: server is for adult PC users, with hidden automatic ban by IP |
| 15:27 |
Sokomine |
Fixer: using android and strange roleplay are not the same. don't mix them up. there are capable android users out there |
| 15:27 |
Fixer |
and by name |
| 15:28 |
Fixer |
Sokomine: yeah, but what if you want to be elitist and have ProServer for ProPC ProUsers |
| 15:29 |
Sokomine |
what for, fixer? if you don't want...problematic..users it's usually sufficient to have suitable server rules and perhaps some slight obstacles in gaining interact (like i.e. *reading* something) |
| 15:30 |
Zeno` |
minetest is an open source engine |
| 15:30 |
* Fixer |
thinking |
| 15:30 |
Zeno` |
if someone wants to sell it for $60.00 a copy then they can do that |
| 15:30 |
Sokomine |
players using anroid to connect = bad is just far too simple |
| 15:30 |
Fixer |
PERFECT SOLUTION |
| 15:30 |
Fixer |
: |
| 15:30 |
Sokomine |
ah. just wanting to keep those strange clients out? |
| 15:31 |
Fixer |
on login: show formspec asking to TAP something, then ban |
| 15:31 |
Zeno` |
is someone wants to use the engine and NOT open source the "game" they can do that as well |
| 15:31 |
Sokomine |
just point players to the official client :-) |
| 15:31 |
Fixer |
thats not about clients/clones or whatever |
| 15:32 |
Zeno` |
this is all just silly talk |
| 15:32 |
Fixer |
ofc it is, since i can't host anything behind NAT :( |
| 15:32 |
Wayward_One |
And what of the Android x86/Phoenix OS/Remix OS users? |
| 15:33 |
Zeno` |
Wayward_One, they are obviously breaking the law! </sarcasm> |
| 15:33 |
Wayward_One |
:P |
| 15:33 |
Fixer |
Wayward_One: three buttons on formspec: 1) Tap this to join game (bans user) 2) Press Scroll Lock 3) I'm glorious Linux user: answer how to exit vim |
| 15:33 |
benrob0329 |
Fixer: last one is the easiest |
| 15:34 |
Fixer |
actually |
| 15:34 |
Wayward_One |
Lol nice |
| 15:34 |
Fixer |
Press Scroll Lock and Print Screen to join the game... |
| 15:34 |
Zeno` |
benrob0329, yeah. kill -9 it |
| 15:34 |
Fixer |
b i n g o |
| 15:34 |
Fixer |
i wonder if minetest detects scroll lock |
| 15:34 |
Fixer |
yeah it does |
| 15:34 |
Fixer |
perfect |
| 15:35 |
benrob0329 |
Fixer: press Shift Alt Print O |
| 15:35 |
Zeno` |
Fixer, how long do you think it would take me to make a patch to emulate scroll lock? 5 minutes? |
| 15:35 |
Fixer |
glorious Emacs user |
| 15:35 |
Sokomine |
just don't solve something with a technical solution that demands a social one |
| 15:35 |
Sokomine |
it won't work |
| 15:35 |
Fixer |
Zeno`: why would you? It is just someones modded server :) |
| 15:36 |
Sokomine |
you need to have admins for that. real people who can think, read, understand. and even those will make errors in judgement |
| 15:36 |
Fixer |
wait a second |
| 15:36 |
benrob0329 |
I don't have a scroll lock -_- |
| 15:36 |
Fixer |
Numpad can also be utilised :} |
| 15:36 |
benrob0329 |
Stupid modern keyboards |
| 15:37 |
Fixer |
but notebook users... |
| 15:37 |
Zeno` |
Fixer, so official android releases are no good either? |
| 15:37 |
Fixer |
Zeno`: this is not about official/nonofficial |
| 15:37 |
benrob0329 |
Zeno`: not really, Minetesr on android is painful |
| 15:37 |
Zeno` |
of course it's painful. So they're already at a disadvantage |
| 15:38 |
Fixer |
Zeno`: say I decided to do server for PC users only :) thats what I mean |
| 15:38 |
Zeno` |
Fixer, what's a PC? |
| 15:38 |
benrob0329 |
Personal Computer |
| 15:38 |
benrob0329 |
Desktop |
| 15:38 |
Zeno` |
So my Amiga would be ok? |
| 15:38 |
benrob0329 |
x86 |
| 15:39 |
Fixer |
Zeno`: if you port minetest to it - yes! |
| 15:39 |
benrob0329 |
Zeno`: sure, if you can get Minetest to run on it |
| 15:40 |
Zeno` |
err so what's an Android? |
| 15:40 |
Fixer |
"Android is a mobile operating system developed by Google, based on the Linux kernel and designed primarily for touchscreen mobile devices such as smartphones and tablets." |
| 15:41 |
Fixer |
acc to wikipedia |
| 15:41 |
Zeno` |
So, it's about the OS? |
| 15:41 |
benrob0329 |
Its about playability |
| 15:41 |
Fixer |
Zeno`: it is about user discrimination by platform %) |
| 15:42 |
Zeno` |
I tend to think that minetest on Android is probably better than my Amiga 500 port |
| 15:42 |
Fixer |
you can do amiga port, vanessa will do c64 one |
| 15:42 |
VanessaE |
no. |
| 15:42 |
Fixer |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfUWbgLdSgE |
| 15:42 |
VanessaE |
though recently someone did a Wolfenstein 3D port to C64+SuperCPU (16 MHz accelerator with max 16MB RAM)... so I suppose it's technically possible |
| 15:44 |
Fixer |
https://66.media.tumblr.com/09d68ec9329b93b1b979e6e9e859f44b/tumblr_mj79as89bc1qh142io1_1280.png |
| 15:44 |
Zeno` |
VanessaE, good luck porting irrlicht :D |
| 15:44 |
VanessaE |
heh |
| 15:44 |
VanessaE |
ain't gonna do it |
| 15:46 |
Fixer |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geq1nREkj2k |
| 15:46 |
benrob0329 |
Good luck porting OpenGL |
| 15:48 |
Sokomine |
benrob0329: it is painful. but it's also possible to connect a mouse and a keyboard to a phone. then it's pretty fine. better than extremly old notebooks with even poorer graphics |
| 15:49 |
Sokomine |
:-) mt on a c64..hm...wasn't there a 2d version of this kind of voxel game somewhere? such a 2d version might to some degree run on a c64. but i never really used them |
| 15:50 |
Zeno` |
VanessaE, you can use my vic-20 port as a basis if you want to |
| 15:50 |
VanessaE |
I'll let the active c64 geeks do that :P |
| 15:50 |
Sokomine |
:-) |
| 15:51 |
Fixer |
ground breaking http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/05/16/article-0-1DE9561C00000578-255_634x588.jpg |
| 15:51 |
Fixer |
http://www.androidcentral.com/sites/androidcentral.com/files/styles/xlarge_wm_brw/public/article_images/2015/09/lenovo-phab-1.jpg?itok=CNBfqq7c |
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| 15:56 |
Fixer |
o.O https://github.com/LuaJIT/LuaJIT/issues/331 |
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| 16:00 |
Fixer |
xfce will be quite soon on gtk3, it is about time |
| 16:00 |
Calinou |
benrob0329: GitHub *has* open sourced their new desktop app |
| 16:00 |
Calinou |
it does not compile out of the box, though, this is likely a bug |
| 16:00 |
Calinou |
it's also not available for Linux yet but it might happen in a few months |
| 16:01 |
Calinou |
https://github.com/desktop/desktop/blob/master/LICENSE |
| 16:01 |
Calinou |
it's a bit limited right now but looks fancy |
| 16:01 |
VanessaE |
Fixer: awh HELL no |
| 16:01 |
Fixer |
VanessaE: hell yes |
| 16:01 |
VanessaE |
leave my xfce just the way it ius! |
| 16:01 |
VanessaE |
no, no way, hell no, and FUCK NO in that order |
| 16:02 |
benrob0329 |
VanessaE: AwesomeMasterace : |
| 16:02 |
VanessaE |
I'd sooner go back to AFTERSTEP than deal with gtk3-anything |
| 16:02 |
benrob0329 |
:P |
| 16:02 |
Fixer |
VanessaE: unfortunately the speed they are going, both gimp and xfce will be on gtk3 by the time gtk2/3 is dead |
| 16:02 |
Fixer |
VanessaE: OPENSTEP |
| 16:03 |
VanessaE |
no, come to think of it, I think I'd go back to FVWM before I'll tolerate gtk3 |
| 16:03 |
Fixer |
VanessaE: just use openbox |
| 16:04 |
VanessaE |
Fixer: where are you getting this from anyway? (gtk3 in xfce I mean) |
| 16:04 |
Fixer |
"The first Gtk+3 release of xfce4-panel is out!" |
| 16:04 |
Fixer |
VanessaE: it was known long ago that xfce will have GTK3 support, not sure if they will support GTK2 |
| 16:04 |
Calinou |
#OccupyGTK3 |
| 16:04 |
VanessaE |
*checks phoronix* |
| 16:05 |
Fixer |
https://blog.alteroot.org/articles/2016-04-12/road-to-xfce-4.14.html |
| 16:05 |
Fixer |
The bigger change for 4.14 is the port / upgrade to GTK+ 3.x. |
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| 16:05 |
VanessaE |
G*d help us |
| 16:07 |
red-003 |
that must look quite confusing to LazyJ lol |
| 16:08 |
LazyJ |
I just fired-up the computer. Coming into the middle of IRC conversations. |
| 16:08 |
Calinou |
hi LazyJ |
| 16:08 |
LazyJ |
Howdy Calinou ;) |
| 16:08 |
Calinou |
Fixer: [insert KDE welcoming users here] |
| 16:09 |
Calinou |
(RAM upgrade not included) |
| 16:09 |
red-003 |
{insert greeting here}, LazyJ |
| 16:09 |
VanessaE |
guess I'll just have to wait and see but every gtk3 app I've run into so far has been just plain shit. |
| 16:10 |
VanessaE |
with the biggest regression being no menubar because random |
| 16:10 |
Calinou |
this is why most modern Electron apps use their own menubar now |
| 16:10 |
Calinou |
like this, https://desktop.github.com/ |
| 16:10 |
Calinou |
they adhere to the Windows/macOS design guidelines the most they can, and it works well |
| 16:11 |
Calinou |
however, adhering to GNOME/KDE guidelines is going to be a pain |
| 16:11 |
VanessaE |
fuck your "guidelines" |
| 16:11 |
VanessaE |
I want my desktop to stay exactly like it is |
| 16:11 |
VanessaE |
(and no, no "spacebar heating" xkcd references here) |
| 16:12 |
Calinou |
design guidelines are exactly what you want, I think |
| 16:12 |
Calinou |
it's following the OS conventions |
| 16:12 |
Calinou |
their blog mentions, for example, macOS having buttons named "Like This" and Windows "Like this" |
| 16:12 |
Calinou |
(I never realized that before today, by the way) |
| 16:12 |
VanessaE |
design guidelines is what gave us KDE4 when it wasn't ready for production use and 3.5 was nearly perfect. |
| 16:12 |
VanessaE |
those same guidelines gave us gnome 3/unity |
| 16:12 |
VanessaE |
i.e. tablet motif on the desktop |
| 16:12 |
VanessaE |
== FAIL |
| 16:13 |
* Jordach |
screeches autistically |
| 16:13 |
VanessaE |
sorry but I'm just plain sick of change-for-the-sake-of-change. |
| 16:13 |
Calinou |
anyway, I'm happy with Plasma 5 so far |
| 16:13 |
Jordach |
mobile crap is a giant fucking meme |
| 16:14 |
Calinou |
the defaults are not very sane, though |
| 16:14 |
Jordach |
have you tried pro apps on a tablet> |
| 16:14 |
Calinou |
but once you change many settings, it's quite good |
| 16:15 |
Jordach |
>many settings |
| 16:15 |
Jordach |
nice fucking meme |
| 16:15 |
Jordach |
some people want it out of the box and not pages of nano to go through |
| 16:15 |
Jordach |
i might just pick up a nice 128gb SSD for my laptop and some extra RAM |
| 16:16 |
Jordach |
and then go install KDE |
| 16:16 |
Jordach |
tl;dr the desktop isn't a fucking tablet, ever |
| 16:16 |
VanessaE |
exactly. |
| 16:16 |
Jordach |
"but muh convertibles" |
| 16:16 |
Jordach |
go install windows 10 for that |
| 16:17 |
VanessaE |
it. just. doesn't. work. |
| 16:17 |
Jordach |
(i use windows as a desktop gaming machine specifically, the laptop, not so much) |
| 16:17 |
Jordach |
VanessaE, i'm finding modern devs so retarded |
| 16:17 |
Jordach |
not realising that they're no longer adhering to the UNIX philosophy |
| 16:18 |
VanessaE |
so many modern "devs" are just hipsters who got their hands on compilers before the learned the history of user experience and familiarity. |
| 16:18 |
Calinou |
Jordach: well, the settings I talked about are all done in a GUI |
| 16:18 |
Calinou |
so, no nano is involved |
| 16:18 |
Jordach |
Calinou, might as well be knowing Linux |
| 16:18 |
Calinou |
also, sadly, battery life on my laptop is far better on Windows 10 than on Manjaro :( |
| 16:18 |
Calinou |
I used it for 3h30 this afternoon, still 50% battery (it had ~90% when starting) |
| 16:19 |
Calinou |
this is not remotely possible on Manjaro |
| 16:19 |
Fuchs |
if only there was a technology to create adaptive desktop UIs :( |
| 16:19 |
Calinou |
the display also feels smoother (because Xorg was never made to handle 4K displays) |
| 16:19 |
Fuchs |
oh, wait, qml and kirigami, nevermind. |
| 16:19 |
Calinou |
Fuchs: Qt can do that, but nobody really does it |
| 16:19 |
Jordach |
Calinou, hmmmm, FOSS devs generally have to "good" of a system spec, e.g. high end laptops like Razer or Asus |
| 16:19 |
Fuchs |
Calinou: I was kidding (I did some minor qml development, so I am aware of it) |
| 16:19 |
Calinou |
I was about to post that here, http://dengine.net/blog/2017/05/the-road-to-mobile/ |
| 16:19 |
Calinou |
but in general, that source port has a responsive UI and it's all made in Qt |
| 16:19 |
Fuchs |
Calinou: I think we'll be having a sprint this year at Randa |
| 16:19 |
Calinou |
Jordach: eh, not exactly true IMO |
| 16:20 |
Calinou |
most FOSS devs are poor |
| 16:20 |
Calinou |
it's a true meme |
| 16:20 |
Calinou |
none of them are rolling in money, the ones who do that all work for proprietary software companies all day |
| 16:20 |
Fixer |
VanessaE: no menubar because tiny widescreen crap with 1366*768 |
| 16:20 |
VanessaE |
no menu bar because fuck users. :P |
| 16:20 |
* Jordach |
likes the old win9x style GUI |
| 16:20 |
Fixer |
i remember 1024*768... that was like pre2000 resolution, seriously |
| 16:21 |
* benrob0329 |
likes tiling window managers |
| 16:21 |
Fixer |
VanessaE: it is taking up valuable vertical space!111 |
| 16:21 |
Fixer |
because 768px |
| 16:21 |
VanessaE |
windows with close buttons, menu bars, a taskbar/panel at the bottom, and a "quick launcher" section (for me, that's a second panel at the top), auto-hiding enabled. |
| 16:21 |
VanessaE |
hence, auto-hide |
| 16:22 |
VanessaE |
two pixels at the bottom is not a significant amount of screen space, even to a C64., |
| 16:22 |
Fixer |
spacebar heating intensifies |
| 16:22 |
Jordach |
my laptop is that resolution, Fixer; no complaints here |
| 16:23 |
Fixer |
Jordach: my condolescens |
| 16:23 |
Fixer |
es |
| 16:23 |
Jordach |
Fixer, don;t worry, my 2560x1080 ultrawide waits for me tomorrow |
| 16:23 |
VanessaE |
no no no and no..... if I wanted a tablet-style interface I'd use gnome3 or buy a tablet. if I wanted an OS-X-style interface I'd buy a fucking Mac. |
| 16:23 |
VanessaE |
leave my desktop style alone |
| 16:24 |
Fixer |
VanessaE: not all gtk3 programs are crappified gnome way |
| 16:24 |
Jordach |
>using GNOME as a guideline since the fuck up known as release GNOME3 |
| 16:24 |
Fuchs |
most are, because Gnome people working on GTK3 love to break the API in minor releases just so things work for Gnome |
| 16:24 |
Fuchs |
which means, for third parties, usually either follow Gnome, or sooner or later be broken |
| 16:25 |
Calinou |
global menu bar is nice, but it forces you to have a dock of some kind, like macOS or Unity |
| 16:25 |
Calinou |
vertical real estate is precious today |
| 16:25 |
Calinou |
(why do you think Firefox is losing users, especially on Linux?) |
| 16:25 |
Calinou |
(it wastes so much vertical space) |
| 16:25 |
Fixer |
eh, in 200X i was quite entusiastic about linux DEs... after GNOME3/KDE4/Win8/10 debacle I'm not sure anymore :} |
| 16:25 |
Jordach |
Fixer, people want Win95 style simplicity |
| 16:26 |
Calinou |
I'm not sure |
| 16:26 |
Jordach |
modern shit is over-developed and far too complex for basic tasks |
| 16:26 |
Calinou |
plenty of people *do* praise modern UIs, including me |
| 16:26 |
Calinou |
I don't regret the 95/98/XP era |
| 16:26 |
Calinou |
while KDE does have a lot of classic desktop elements, it also brings some new things to the table |
| 16:27 |
Calinou |
(same for Windows 10, actually…) |
| 16:27 |
Fixer |
on my desktop firefox has 175px for name, menu + weather + bookmarks + 3 rows of tabs... because 5:4 :} |
| 16:27 |
Calinou |
I'm also not convinced that modern software is "over-developed" |
| 16:27 |
Jordach |
Calinou, bullshit |
| 16:27 |
Calinou |
you could argue that AAA games have useless, "over-developed" features |
| 16:27 |
Fixer |
it is underdeveloped |
| 16:27 |
Calinou |
"I could see 3D in Quake, so why do I need TressFX?" |
| 16:27 |
benrob0329 |
Also, Jordach: nano is for normies |
| 16:27 |
Jordach |
benrob0329, but at least its easily usable unlike vi |
| 16:28 |
Fixer |
Jordach: +1000 |
| 16:28 |
benrob0329 |
Jordach: vi is for neckbeards |
| 16:28 |
Fixer |
Jordach: when I seen 3.11 and W95, 95 was ground breaking |
| 16:28 |
Fixer |
not just because newer |
| 16:28 |
Jordach |
Fixer, because it made sense |
| 16:28 |
benrob0329 |
Vim is where its at |
| 16:28 |
Jordach |
now everythings like gotta be flatter than me mum's titsa |
| 16:28 |
Jordach |
-a |
| 16:28 |
Fixer |
Jordach: yep |
| 16:28 |
benrob0329 |
I mean my gosh, vim is one of the easiest programs to learn |
| 16:28 |
Jordach |
tablets and phones ruined UX design |
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benrob0329 |
It has a built in tutorial for gosh sake |
| 16:29 |
Fixer |
Jordach: yep |
| 16:29 |
Calinou |
https://micro-editor.github.io/ :P |
| 16:29 |
Jordach |
depth is something humans use to judge distance |
| 16:29 |
Calinou |
there's not much point in using nano once you start using micro |
| 16:29 |
Jordach |
it also applies to UI |
| 16:29 |
Calinou |
I finally got my muscle memory to type "micro" instead of "nano" now |
| 16:30 |
Fixer |
Calinou: lol |
| 16:30 |
Jordach |
Fixer, for the same reasons is why i use a 1989 era Walkman as my music player of choice |
| 16:30 |
Fixer |
Calinou: wait a second ^^^^^ a modern and intuitive terminal-based text editor **** github.io **** |
| 16:30 |
Jordach |
Calinou, and looks like every other fucking sublime clone ever made |
| 16:30 |
Fixer |
Jordach: not really the same |
| 16:30 |
Jordach |
gtfo |
| 16:31 |
Jordach |
lemme open Atom, Brackets, VS2015, N++ |
| 16:31 |
Jordach |
oh wait, they look and function identically |
| 16:31 |
Fixer |
Jordach: still, people were hyped for new windows interface back then, now people are horrified on what new SHIT microsoft (almost wrote minetest) puts in UI again |
| 16:32 |
Jordach |
Fixer, what ain't broke; don't fix |
| 16:32 |
Shara |
Hi PsychoVision |
| 16:32 |
Jordach |
Fixer, my walkman plays a tape front to back without a single complaint |
| 16:32 |
Jordach |
if my phone loses internet for a second it autistically screeches |
| 16:32 |
benrob0329 |
Jordach: exactly, use vim. |
| 16:32 |
Calinou |
Jordach: the default theme is Monokai indeed; in fact, I contributed that one last year |
| 16:32 |
Jordach |
benrob0329, nano is straight forward |
| 16:32 |
Calinou |
it looks good, approximates well to 256-color (for non-truecolor terminals) |
| 16:32 |
benrob0329 |
Jordach: vim is powerful |
| 16:32 |
Calinou |
and is familiar to users |
| 16:33 |
Jordach |
powerful != useful |
| 16:33 |
Calinou |
most users are fine with it, which is not the case of eg. solarized |
| 16:33 |
Fixer |
Jordach: i don't even have internet on my Android 2.2... phone, now thats autistic |
| 16:33 |
Calinou |
solarized is pretty opinionated |
| 16:33 |
benrob0329 |
Calinou: does is support plugins? |
| 16:33 |
benrob0329 |
Marcos? |
| 16:33 |
Calinou |
plugins, yes |
| 16:33 |
Calinou |
macros/snippets, not sure |
| 16:33 |
Fixer |
i use wifi only very rarely |
| 16:33 |
PsychoVision |
Hello Shara :D |
| 16:33 |
Calinou |
anyway, this is a CLI editor for quick editing or editing over SSH |
| 16:33 |
Calinou |
for actual development, use Visual Studio Code or an IDE |
| 16:33 |
Fixer |
Calinou: just use nano |
| 16:33 |
PsychoVision |
Lots o People here |
| 16:33 |
benrob0329 |
Can it compile in under a minute? |
| 16:33 |
Calinou |
likely; but official Windows/macOS/Linux/BSD binaries are available… |
| 16:33 |
Calinou |
and they work on all distros |
| 16:34 |
Jordach |
benrob0329, on what processor, benchmarks do not apply |
| 16:34 |
Calinou |
https://github.com/zyedidia/micro/releases |
| 16:34 |
Calinou |
even ARM Linux is available |
| 16:34 |
Shara |
PsychoVision: Yup. It's getting busy. |
| 16:34 |
Jordach |
>doing heavyweight programming on an ePI |
| 16:34 |
Fixer |
Jordach: if you don't break UI every release - how you gonna sell it? :} |
| 16:34 |
Calinou |
it's got a new release 2 days ago :) |
| 16:34 |
Jordach |
Fixer, by creating security patches that work properly? |
| 16:34 |
Shara |
Most of them don't bite though. |
| 16:34 |
Fixer |
Jordach: fuck that.... nobody will pay for that :} |
| 16:35 |
Fixer |
Jordach: apart from few corps |
| 16:35 |
Shara |
though Fixer might, from some of the faces he pulls :) |
| 16:35 |
Fixer |
Jordach: rememba that security fix that breaked printing for millions? |
| 16:36 |
benrob0329 |
Calinou: one last question |
| 16:36 |
benrob0329 |
Can I use vim keys? |
| 16:36 |
Fixer |
XP/7 interface was managable, but 8 Metro thing was debucle, 8.1 was introduced to lessen anal pains, and 10 was bulled to the head |
| 16:37 |
Calinou |
benrob0329: nope |
| 16:37 |
Fixer |
r.i.p. |
| 16:37 |
Fixer |
not just UI |
| 16:37 |
Fixer |
MS went full Google |
| 16:37 |
benrob0329 |
Calinou: then it's useless to me |
| 16:37 |
Fixer |
now thats maximum evil |
| 16:37 |
Jordach |
Fixer, it's why my tower at home runs literally nothing but games |
| 16:38 |
Calinou |
do you call it the Gaben's Den? |
| 16:38 |
Calinou |
;) |
| 16:39 |
Jordach |
Calinou, >plays BF1 and OW frequently |
| 16:39 |
Jordach |
uh no |
| 16:40 |
Jordach |
i don't even play Valve games at all |
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| 16:42 |
Fixer |
in earlier windows time you had some control over OS, but now things changed |
| 16:42 |
Fixer |
you still have control |
| 16:42 |
Fixer |
but MS gained so much more |
| 16:42 |
Fixer |
you can't even shutdown telemetry to full extend |
| 16:44 |
benrob0329 |
Windows is designed around the idea that the user should know as little about the systen as possible. |
| 16:44 |
Fixer |
benrob0329: thats Ios |
| 16:44 |
Fixer |
windows is not the worst case |
| 16:45 |
benrob0329 |
its getting close. |
| 16:45 |
Fixer |
it is more like one apple, one os, one furher |
| 16:45 |
Fixer |
benrob0329: yeah it does |
| 16:45 |
Fixer |
win 10 ui is mess, google for some ui analysis, for example menus |
| 16:48 |
Fixer |
or that forced win7 to win10 upgrade that created worldwide crying |
| 16:49 |
VaultyTowers |
anyone need help installing Kodi on Ubuntu just ask |
| 16:49 |
VaultyTowers |
kodi + Exodus |
| 16:53 |
Jordach |
that's called git gud, m8 |
| 17:06 |
Jordach |
sfan5, https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DBAZtPCXgAAYKtz.jpg:large |
| 17:07 |
Krock |
deserves a place in MTB |
| 17:09 |
Jordach |
Fixer, i'm tempted to make a "Technic lite" mod |
| 17:10 |
Jordach |
hyper simplicity |
| 17:12 |
DS-minetest |
Jordach: the worst problem with technic is that it uses meta |
| 17:12 |
sfan5 |
fluffy kitty |
| 17:12 |
Jordach |
DS-minetest, i'm thinking of a mesecon style method |
| 17:12 |
DS-minetest |
when that is changed, technic won't be that laggy anymore |
| 17:13 |
sfan5 |
Krock: https://github.com/sfan5/minetestbot-modules/commit/382e7cb15bd2064fc4aee47c3f85b3173fd2a507 |
| 17:13 |
Krock |
\o/ |
| 17:13 |
Jordach |
sfan5, https://twitter.com/HaddockStinker |
| 17:14 |
DS-minetest |
Jordach: i think, HybridDog has started something already something |
| 17:14 |
Jordach |
DS-minetest, i'd prefer doing it myself |
| 17:14 |
DS-minetest |
yep, just that you know more |
| 17:17 |
Jordach |
i want to do it in a way that looks good |
| 17:18 |
* Jordach |
is thinking electrical victorian |
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Fixer |
DS-minetest: there is PR that should easy the pain for technic users |
| 17:28 |
* Fixer |
pokes Krock |
| 17:29 |
Krock |
o.0 |
| 17:29 |
Fixer |
Send only changed node metadata to clients instead of whole mapblock @ Server / Client / Env. One approval / Performance / Protocol bump @ #5268 opened on 18 Feb by SmallJoker / https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/5268 |
| 17:30 |
Krock |
*looks* |
| 17:30 |
Krock |
hmm.. appears to have some conficts |
| 17:30 |
Fixer |
nerzhul added to Feature PR in Minetest 0.5 6 days ago |
| 17:31 |
Krock |
that's good :) no? |
| 17:31 |
Fixer |
*suspicious* |
| 17:32 |
DS-minetest |
Fixer: yeah, but the server still has too much lag |
| 17:33 |
DS-minetest |
using meta makes no sense |
| 17:33 |
Krock |
Fixer, what's so suspicious about it? |
| 17:34 |
Fixer |
Krock: just rebase it after 0.4.16 release and move it in :} |
| 17:34 |
Fixer |
DS-minetest: why no sense? |
| 17:35 |
DS-minetest |
Fixer: because meta shouldn't be used for such stuff |
| 17:35 |
DS-minetest |
in technic it's called very very often |
| 17:35 |
Fixer |
DS-minetest: but what is alternative? |
| 17:36 |
DS-minetest |
make a new system, that doesn't use meta too much |
| 17:36 |
DS-minetest |
i cant be too specific now |
| 17:36 |
Krock |
Fixer, yes sure. We'll have to see what's going to happen first: protocol changes or this feature |
| 17:36 |
Krock |
these two plans collide, that's why it may not be patched into Minetest right after the new version released |
| 17:39 |
Jordach |
a y y l m a o |
| 17:41 |
DS-minetest |
Fixer: eg. it could look like this https://github.com/HybridDog/technic/blob/hversion/technic/machines/register/solar_array_new.lua |
| 17:56 |
nerzhul |
this PR has bugs |
| 17:57 |
nerzhul |
it's incomplete, i remember when RBA wrote it, we discussed together |
| 18:09 |
Krock |
it has been improved over the time and there's not much original code (1:1 taken) left. |
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| 18:12 |
VaultyTowers |
sup lisac |
| 18:12 |
VaultyTowers |
I started a war |
| 18:12 |
Jordach |
:thinking: |
| 18:12 |
VaultyTowers |
lisac_, ^^ |
| 18:13 |
VaultyTowers |
PM me what troop you want in your CC |
| 18:13 |
lisac_ |
Hi VaultyTowers. |
| 18:13 |
lisac_ |
lol okay |
| 18:13 |
Raven262 |
War you say? |
| 18:13 |
VaultyTowers |
Clash of clans |
| 18:14 |
* lisac |
> Amorphis - Death of a King - [ Under the Red Cloud #5 ] - [ 02:32 / 05:14 ] |
| 18:14 |
Raven262 |
And thats how the war started, both sides found themselves fighting for whatever cause. |
| 18:14 |
Raven262 |
And killing each other cause whatever. |
| 18:14 |
VaultyTowers |
both benefit |
| 18:15 |
VaultyTowers |
lisac, I gave you a valkery and 4 lvl 4 wizards |
| 18:16 |
Raven262 |
Heh, i thought you were talking about OC's things. |
| 18:16 |
lisac |
nice :) |
| 18:16 |
lisac |
I just logged in after several days of inactivity |
| 18:16 |
lisac |
got goons now |
| 18:17 |
VaultyTowers |
need normal troops just ask |
| 18:17 |
VaultyTowers |
I got several pekkas ready |
| 18:17 |
lisac |
sure :) |
| 18:17 |
lisac |
I need just 6 more stars on the Goblins |
| 18:17 |
lisac |
to take all 150 |
| 18:17 |
VaultyTowers |
lol I got all 150 |
| 18:18 |
lisac |
Yeah, but I'm not such a hardcore player |
| 18:18 |
* lisac |
> Amorphis - Under the Red Cloud - [ Under the Red Cloud #1 ] - [ 00:05 / 05:33 ] |
| 18:18 |
* lisac |
is playing on Clementine: [ 00:07 / 05:33 ] "Under the Red Cloud" by "Amorphis" (track #1 of album "Under the Red Cloud") | MP3 | 44100 Hz | 320 kbps |
| 18:19 |
Raven262 |
Hello lisac, did we meet each other? |
| 18:19 |
Raven262 |
Like ever? |
| 18:19 |
Raven262 |
Cause i doubt it. |
| 18:19 |
lisac |
hey look at this http://armory.twinstar.cz/character-sheet.xml?r=Kronos&cn=Wordsofpower |
| 18:20 |
lisac |
Hi Raven262. |
| 18:21 |
nore |
ehm you know that you both have the same IP, right? |
| 18:21 |
Raven262 |
nore, we are joking. |
| 18:21 |
nore |
Raven262: I was not sure :) |
| 18:22 |
Raven262 |
xD |
| 18:22 |
Raven262 |
I found this mod: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=17654 |
| 18:22 |
* nore |
is used to people in the same room using irc to talk anyway |
| 18:23 |
Krock |
!title |
| 18:23 |
ShadowBot |
BTW - BETTER THAN WOOL - MOD - Minetest Forums |
| 18:23 |
Raven262 |
So i had to correct a few things in the last comment |
| 18:23 |
Raven262 |
:D |
| 18:23 |
Raven262 |
Really, nore? |
| 18:23 |
nore |
Raven262: yes. |
| 18:23 |
red-002 |
lol |
| 18:24 |
Raven262 |
I thought lisac an I are the only two persons who are in the same room, yet talking over irc. |
| 18:24 |
lisac |
Raven262, https://media.giphy.com/media/G6NaboPT6q3za/giphy.gif |
| 18:24 |
nore |
(well it's useful if you want to talk to other people at the same time, but then you get carried over and talk even though you're all in the same room) |
| 18:24 |
lisac |
that's because I don't like talking to you, Raven. |
| 18:24 |
Raven262 |
Yes, basically. |
| 18:24 |
Raven262 |
That too. |
| 18:24 |
nore |
also, especially useful during lectures |
| 18:24 |
benrob0329 |
If we had a conference, we'd still talk over irc |
| 18:25 |
nore |
you can talk and the teacher is not noticing, they think you are taking notes :) |
| 18:25 |
benrob0329 |
The whole presentation would be in ascii art |
| 18:25 |
Raven262 |
:O |
| 18:25 |
lisac |
nore, Yeah, but don't forget to look the teacher in the eye a few times |
| 18:25 |
lisac |
just to pretend you are listening |
| 18:25 |
nore |
lisac: oh but I'm listening at the same time |
| 18:25 |
Raven262 |
They have computers and stuff in their schools, lisac. |
| 18:25 |
benrob0329 |
lisac: nono, then you get asked questions |
| 18:25 |
nore |
doing both things at once :) |
| 18:26 |
benrob0329 |
Jusr don't smile randomly |
| 18:26 |
benrob0329 |
Then all bets are off |
| 18:26 |
Raven262 |
xD |
| 18:26 |
lisac |
benrob0329, There is a skill of answering questions you don't know answers to. |
| 18:26 |
lumidify |
benrob0329: write the presentation in markdown and share that. |
| 18:26 |
lumidify |
#MarkdownFTW |
| 18:26 |
Raven262 |
Hello lumidify |
| 18:26 |
lumidify |
Hi Raven262 |
| 18:27 |
* Raven262 |
sends lumidify a lumidified hello. |
| 18:27 |
Raven262 |
What does lumidify mean actually? |
| 18:27 |
Raven262 |
Is it a name? |
| 18:27 |
benrob0329 |
lumidify: no, write it in latex :^) |
| 18:27 |
benrob0329 |
Honestly though, latex looks really powerful |
| 18:27 |
lumidify |
Nah, markdown is really nice and simple |
| 18:28 |
lumidify |
Although I write all my papers in LaTex |
| 18:28 |
* nore |
still needs to meet someone who writes their papers with markdown |
| 18:28 |
benrob0329 |
markdown is nice for in chat text |
| 18:29 |
benrob0329 |
Latex is nice for when you need to write a paper/presentation |
| 18:29 |
benrob0329 |
Afaik anyways |
| 18:29 |
lumidify |
I would write my papers in markdown if there was an easy way to do MLA :P |
| 18:29 |
nore |
(LaTeX is very useful for papers and presentations (beamer ftw)) |
| 18:29 |
nore |
MLA? |
| 18:29 |
lumidify |
Hmm, I could write the body in markdown and then use pandoc to convert it to LaTex |
| 18:29 |
benrob0329 |
Asciidoc looks nice too |
| 18:29 |
lumidify |
https://www.mla.org/ |
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| 18:30 |
nore |
hmmm |
| 18:30 |
benrob0329 |
Perhaps we should make a standard for MT documentation |
| 18:30 |
nore |
well when doing math or CS, having to write papers without a way to write nice formulas is quite impossible :) |
| 18:30 |
lumidify |
pandoc is really nice because I can convert everyone's stupid formats to LaTex |
| 18:31 |
lumidify |
http://pandoc.org/ |
| 18:31 |
benrob0329 |
Right now we have text in engine, markdown in mods, and mediawiki for the wiki |
| 18:31 |
lumidify |
Yeah, markdown really could only be used for the most simple papers |
| 18:32 |
* benrob0329 |
bookmarks pandoc |
| 18:37 |
benrob0329 |
We should force everyone to use LaTeX, and then make the docs available to everyone via Html, pdf etc |
| 18:37 |
benrob0329 |
Actually, that'd be an interesting way to run a wiki |
| 18:38 |
lumidify |
Well, I think for docs markdown is good enough |
| 18:38 |
benrob0329 |
Have a git repo that compiles to htmk |
| 18:38 |
benrob0329 |
*html |
| 18:38 |
lumidify |
LaTex has a fairly large overhead compared to markdown |
| 18:38 |
benrob0329 |
Yes, but is far more powerful |
| 18:39 |
lumidify |
"Use the right tool for the job." |
| 18:39 |
lumidify |
It would probably be overkill |
| 18:39 |
benrob0329 |
Id much rather learn the more flexible tool than get stuck 'cause I took a shortcut |
| 18:39 |
lumidify |
Yes, but why the extra complexity when you don't need it? |
| 18:40 |
benrob0329 |
Because its like a multitool |
| 18:40 |
benrob0329 |
you'll necer need it, until you do |
| 18:40 |
benrob0329 |
And then you'll NEED it |
| 18:40 |
lumidify |
Yes, but will you ever need the full power of LaTex for fairly simple documentation? |
| 18:41 |
benrob0329 |
Do you ever need the full power of anything? |
| 18:41 |
red-002 |
but can you make a turning machine in LaTex? |
| 18:41 |
lumidify |
It's not like you need to use Markdown for absolutely everything you ever do if you use it for one thing. |
| 18:41 |
lumidify |
You could still use LaTex for papers/more complicated stuff but do documentation in something simple like Markdown. |
| 18:41 |
benrob0329 |
yes, but then you need two setups |
| 18:42 |
benrob0329 |
One for latex, and one for markdown, unless its on a wiki or something |
| 18:42 |
benrob0329 |
But then your not really using markdown anyways |
| 18:43 |
lumidify |
I just don't think using LaTex for something as simple as most documentation is warranted because it is less human readable than markdown. |
| 18:43 |
lumidify |
Don't get me wrong, I love LaTex, but for simple applications I like to use simple tools. |
| 18:44 |
benrob0329 |
I didn't say it was practical, just interesting :-) |
| 18:44 |
benrob0329 |
I donr write wikis or websites |
| 18:44 |
benrob0329 |
So neither are really a use case |
| 18:44 |
lumidify |
Yeah, it would be interesting, just maybe overkill |
| 18:46 |
benrob0329 |
Who knows, being able to easily embed a presentation into your website which inherits from some backend function overriding all css could be usefull for something |
| 18:46 |
benrob0329 |
Idk what though |
| 18:46 |
lumidify |
Meh, I use lynx anyways, it doesn't care about CSS. |
| 18:47 |
benrob0329 |
elinks supports ecma |
| 18:47 |
lumidify |
#LynxFTW |
| 18:47 |
lumidify |
But I have to be able to tell people that I use the oldest browser currently still in development. |
| 18:47 |
benrob0329 |
Links2 has a Framebuffer mode |
| 18:48 |
benrob0329 |
And w3m has in terminal images |
| 18:48 |
lumidify |
I don't think it's bad that lynx doesn't support CSS or images, it makes everything so much cleaner. |
| 18:48 |
lumidify |
Images are opened in an external viewer when I go to them. |
| 18:48 |
benrob0329 |
Also, I don't know that any of them are still being developed |
| 18:49 |
lumidify |
Gopher is so much better than the web anyways. |
| 18:49 |
lumidify |
Lynx is still being developed. |
| 18:49 |
benrob0329 |
Needs proper layouts |
| 18:49 |
lumidify |
gopher://lumidify.ig42.org/ |
| 18:49 |
lumidify |
Lynx also supports gopher natively :) |
| 18:49 |
benrob0329 |
Many webpages are nearly unusable in lynx |
| 18:50 |
lumidify |
You can download Lord of the Test over gopher! |
| 18:50 |
lumidify |
gopher://lumidify.ig42.org/1/lott/ |
| 18:50 |
* Krock |
grabs gopher addon |
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* benrob0329 |
wonders what browser would support that on mobile |
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tenplus1 |
hi folks |
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Jordach |
ayy |
| 19:12 |
tenplus1 |
hi Jordach :P |
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Jordach |
:thinking: |
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tenplus1 |
about ? |
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Jordach |
a better replacement for an already existing idea for SP |
| 19:21 |
tenplus1 |
sp? |
| 19:21 |
Jordach |
Solar Plains |
| 19:21 |
Jordach |
thinking about a degree of automation |
| 19:21 |
tenplus1 |
ahh... gotcha :P acronyms confuse me :P |
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tenplus1 |
hi gary |
| 19:28 |
garywhite |
hi ten |
| 19:29 |
Raven262 |
Greetings, tenplus1. |
| 19:29 |
tenplus1 |
hi raven :D |
| 19:29 |
Raven262 |
I was playing on Xanadu yesterday, made a mushroom house |
| 19:30 |
Raven262 |
I like mushrooms |
| 19:30 |
tenplus1 |
ncie one :) we got an udpate ready to go for tonight |
| 19:31 |
* Jordach |
is working on new cool stuff |
| 19:36 |
* Calinou |
set up a ttrss instance |
| 19:36 |
Calinou |
works well |
| 19:36 |
tenplus1 |
it seems we have a hacked client out there able to dig up cloud nodes on server |
| 19:37 |
Calinou |
if anticheat is on, that shouldn't be possible |
| 19:37 |
Calinou |
but since disabling anticheat disables even the checks that should never have false positives… :( |
| 19:38 |
tenplus1 |
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-cus0GoX95qA/WSx4DQWl-xI/AAAAAAAADyg/9FjYU57whHUDNP5qCoqNkvEu4K3Gjmb5QCL0B/h900/6895818338944823733%253Faccount_id%253D1 |
| 19:38 |
tenplus1 |
they dug up the LB arena, floor was all cloud block |
| 19:39 |
garywhite |
Geez, how did that happen, & also, did you run a rollback check? |
| 19:41 |
tenplus1 |
rollback disabled |
| 20:03 |
Fixer |
Calinou: rss is power, rss is life |
| 20:03 |
Calinou |
now I can read Phoronix with less trolls! |
| 20:03 |
Calinou |
:D |
| 20:04 |
Fixer |
Calinou: less trolls? Where do you see trolls on phoronix? o_O |
| 20:04 |
tenplus1 |
+1 for phoronix :p |
| 20:04 |
Calinou |
Fixer: in comments :P |
| 20:04 |
Calinou |
the forums, that is |
| 20:04 |
Fixer |
oh, it has comments |
| 20:04 |
Fixer |
never looked into them |
| 20:04 |
Fixer |
comments = cancer |
| 20:04 |
Fixer |
everywhere |
| 20:05 |
Fuchs |
I honestly can't recommend phoronix, the comments are full of trolls, and the "articleS" are poorly up to not at all recherched and auto-crawled by various mailing list and repo crawlers |
| 20:05 |
Fuchs |
we had to correct them multiple times for spreading downright wrong information |
| 20:05 |
Fuchs |
well, "them", it's basically a one man show |
| 20:06 |
tenplus1 |
hi Fixer, hi Fuchs |
| 20:06 |
Fuchs |
hi :) |
| 20:12 |
Calinou |
Fuchs: however, Phoronix is the only site that does Linux hardware benchmarks |
| 20:12 |
Calinou |
(real one, not "I got a new laptop from 2013, I'll benchmark it, lol") |
| 20:13 |
Fuchs |
I'm not sure if that really warrants the rest, but that's personal preference :) |
| 20:13 |
Calinou |
it gives Linux exposure to enthusiasts, so we need a site like that |
| 20:14 |
Fixer |
Calinou: his benchmarks lack one thing - conclusions page |
| 20:18 |
Calinou |
full-featured benchmarks do have a conclusion page |
| 20:18 |
Calinou |
but it's not great |
| 20:21 |
tenplus1 |
nite folks |
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Fixer |
<invalid multibyte string> |
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Fixer |
need to rework this insanity https://i.imgur.com/AyqXHxc.png |
| 20:42 |
Fixer |
changed windows |
| 20:42 |
Fixer |
need to rework that middle ugly horizontal thing |
| 20:43 |
Fixer |
https://i.imgur.com/gG2lB8b.png |
| 21:13 |
Jordach |
Fixer, https://gist.github.com/Jordach/f66af33cc01f60da2e9fa790f7d85f22 |
| 21:14 |
red-002 |
<invalid multibyte string> ? |
| 21:16 |
Fixer |
red-002: <invalid multibyte string> ! |
| 21:16 |
* red-002 |
is still confused |
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red-002 |
<invalid multibyte string> ??! |
| 21:17 |
Fixer |
red-002: happens in minetest chat sometimes |
| 21:18 |
red-002 |
oh I only saw <invalid wstring> |
| 21:18 |
red-002 |
but that was via the IRC mod |
| 21:18 |
red-002 |
not in-game |
| 21:24 |
NathanS21 |
Is there no way to change the size of the players inventory? |
| 21:24 |
NathanS21 |
Everything I can find is just the formspecs |
| 21:24 |
NathanS21 |
which makes fewer slots show, but does nothing to the actual inventory capacity |
| 21:25 |
NathanS21 |
so even when all slots are filled I can still pick up items. |
| 21:26 |
Jordach |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L1522 |
| 21:27 |
Jordach |
list[current_player;main;0,3.5;8,4;] |
| 21:27 |
Jordach |
change the 8,4;] part to whatever |
| 21:27 |
Jordach |
8x4 inv slots |
| 21:27 |
NathanS21 |
I have it set as 8x3 |
| 21:27 |
Jordach |
it's in the goddamn manual ;) |
| 21:27 |
Jordach |
NathanS21, it has to be on join |
| 21:27 |
NathanS21 |
but I can still pick up eight extra items |
| 21:28 |
NathanS21 |
unfortunately I can't see them in inventory, because there are no slots to display them in. |
| 21:29 |
NathanS21 |
It's almost as if it's hardcoded someplace that the player can carry 32 stacks |
| 21:29 |
NathanS21 |
but I can't even find that code in the engine. |
| 21:30 |
red-002 |
constants.h? |
| 21:30 |
NathanS21 |
hmm, didn't look at that at all |
| 21:30 |
Jordach |
https://github.com/PilzAdam/nodetopia/blob/f245dfdd9ebad63a4f0d3f2cf04739b12747f0e6/mods/backpack/init.lua#L24 |
| 21:31 |
Jordach |
NathanS21, git gud |
| 21:31 |
red-002 |
it's one of those werid hardcoded things iirc |
| 21:31 |
Jordach |
red-002, *wrong* |
| 21:31 |
red-002 |
like max health/breath |
| 21:31 |
Jordach |
Pilzadam did it years ago |
| 21:31 |
NathanS21 |
hmm, I'll try that out |
| 21:32 |
Jordach |
NathanS21, https://github.com/PilzAdam/nodetopia/blob/f245dfdd9ebad63a4f0d3f2cf04739b12747f0e6/mods/backpack/init.lua#L42 |
| 21:32 |
NathanS21 |
not sure where I'll put the code in |
| 21:32 |
Jordach |
you need that line to change how many slots the inv "main" has |
| 21:32 |
NathanS21 |
ya, line 53 looks like what I need |
| 21:32 |
Jordach |
remember, that's in total slots |
| 21:33 |
NathanS21 |
yes |
| 21:33 |
NathanS21 |
not unfamiliar with creating UIs and inventories, just couldn't figure out how to change the players. |
| 21:33 |
NathanS21 |
I'm writing a subgame from scratch, and want to change the players inventory |
| 21:34 |
NathanS21 |
more reasons for people to craft a backpack. |
| 21:35 |
NathanS21 |
that worked, just put it in the on joinplayer code for the 3d player model |
| 21:35 |
NathanS21 |
thanks! |
| 21:35 |
Jordach |
NathanS21, i re-did the fecking main menu into a proper menu, not a tabbed ui |
| 21:35 |
Jordach |
(alright, it's a prototype that works) |
| 21:36 |
NathanS21 |
I don't think I've seen that |
| 21:38 |
Jordach |
https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=156&p=268254#p268254 |
| 21:38 |
NathanS21 |
not bad, though that green does seem a little bright |
| 21:39 |
NathanS21 |
is that something texture packs could change? |
| 21:39 |
Jordach |
base/pack |
| 21:39 |
Jordach |
like every other MT component |
| 21:39 |
Fixer |
https://i.imgur.com/9XQvQw6.png |
| 21:39 |
Jordach |
Fixer, a y y l m ao |
| 21:40 |
Jordach |
+0x20 |
| 21:40 |
NathanS21 |
cool |
| 21:41 |
kaeza |
oi limão |
| 21:41 |
kaeza |
Fixer, outdated client? |
| 21:41 |
Jordach |
tfw jordach.net cert is busted until tomorrow |
| 21:41 |
Fixer |
no idea |
| 21:41 |
kaeza |
I've seen that happen on SN's server |
| 21:41 |
Jordach |
i can;t fix it since root is locked out |
| 21:41 |
kaeza |
well, from IRC anyway |
| 21:41 |
Jordach |
and that digitalocean's root panel is also locked out through ssh key usage |
| 21:42 |
Jordach |
tfw rekt |
| 21:42 |
Jordach |
adding a new key to root does not work either |
| 21:42 |
kaeza |
Jordach, rm -fr |
| 21:42 |
kaeza |
+/ |
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| 21:42 |
Jordach |
kaeza, cant do fuck all |
| 21:42 |
kaeza |
Jordach, worked once IIRC |
| 21:42 |
kaeza |
<_< |
| 21:42 |
Jordach |
NathanS21, http://i.imgur.com/9xRosJr.png |
| 21:43 |
Fixer |
https://i.imgur.com/AylBkEr.png |
| 21:43 |
Jordach |
i've braved sapier tier Lua shit |
| 21:43 |
kaeza |
LOL |
| 21:43 |
kaeza |
"sapier tier" :D |
| 21:43 |
Jordach |
all to produce a fucking proper mainmenu |
| 21:43 |
Jordach |
but fun fact |
| 21:44 |
Jordach |
fstk was not modified except one line: to remove that grey formspec bg |
| 21:44 |
Fixer |
Jordach: now do PR to merge this in 0.5 |
| 21:44 |
Jordach |
Fixer, out of date, needs rebase like fuck |
| 21:44 |
Jordach |
i'll see what git pull does to it on a copy |
| 21:44 |
Fixer |
oh that LCD ghosting.... |
| 21:45 |
NathanS21 |
Jordach, not bad, not bad. |
| 21:45 |
Jordach |
kaeza, if i figured out the black magic sapier used, then there's no stopping me tearing the engine apart for realtime lighting |
| 21:49 |
Jordach |
judging by https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/menu_lua_api.txt |
| 21:49 |
Jordach |
it may even be possible to re-write the whole damn thing |
| 21:50 |
Jordach |
yeeee[p |
| 21:50 |
Jordach |
shits doable |
| 21:50 |
Jordach |
probably may do a better job, Kappa |
| 21:51 |
kaeza |
ｄï½ã€€ï½‰ï½” |
| 21:51 |
kaeza |
nao |
| 21:52 |
* Fixer |
thinks https://i.imgur.com/xO1whR4.png |
| 21:52 |
Jordach |
dir_delim is useless to Lua specificallh |
| 21:53 |
Jordach |
-h +y |
| 21:53 |
Fixer |
kaeza: nice fonts |
| 21:53 |
Jordach |
because it translates / to \ on windows and other systems |
| 21:53 |
kaeza |
Fixer, wut |
| 21:53 |
Fixer |
kaeza: ｄï½ã€€ï½‰ï½” |
| 21:53 |
* Jordach |
can't read that |
| 21:53 |
Jordach |
fucking useless laptop and hexchat |
| 21:53 |
kaeza |
Jordach, hexchat? |
| 21:53 |
kaeza |
lel |
| 21:54 |
kaeza |
hexchat's rendering is shit |
| 21:54 |
Jordach |
kaeza, doesn't render at all |
| 21:54 |
Jordach |
top kek |
| 21:55 |
kaeza |
Jordach, http://i.imgur.com/uIElQHt.png |
| 21:55 |
Jordach |
i'll probably sketch out a new UI |
| 21:55 |
Jordach |
and then retire FSTK for good |
| 21:56 |
Jordach |
it's all metatable bollocks that can be re-written |
| 21:56 |
Jordach |
plus the offical minetest android build gets a fix |
| 21:56 |
kaeza |
Jordach, Fixer, https://gist.github.com/kaeza/c906bd55a129223c5ae71ea0da79bbd5 |
| 21:56 |
Fixer |
https://i.imgur.com/GOX1ICK.png |
| 21:57 |
Jordach |
holy shit wtf |
| 21:57 |
Jordach |
>firefox on 5200rpm disk |
| 21:57 |
Jordach |
>15 sec to start |
| 21:57 |
Fixer |
Jordach: lololol |
| 21:57 |
Jordach |
>chrome |
| 21:57 |
Fixer |
Jordach: true |
| 21:57 |
Jordach |
>instant |
| 21:57 |
Jordach |
wat |
| 21:57 |
Fixer |
Jordach: be fair, chrome was just installed? |
| 21:57 |
Jordach |
Fixer, ancient install, like ff |
| 21:57 |
Jordach |
on windows |
| 21:57 |
Jordach |
chrome beating firefox round the head with a giant purple dildo |
| 21:58 |
Fixer |
my firefox starts >10 sec for a good reason, 6000 bookmarks, about 10 addons... |
| 21:58 |
Fixer |
first start is long |
| 21:58 |
Fixer |
next one is fast |
| 21:58 |
Jordach |
Fixer, my ssd makes loading chrome literally instant |
| 21:58 |
Jordach |
i see no delay even at 75hz |
| 21:59 |
red-002 |
<Fixer> kaeza: ｄï½ã€€ï½‰ï½” |
| 22:03 |
red-002 |
https://pastebin.com/zZm4xXhW |
| 22:04 |
red-002 |
someones ban might need to be reinstated |
| 22:04 |
Fixer |
https://i.imgur.com/yQCj6IE.png |
| 22:06 |
Fixer |
kids love coloured clay |
| 22:07 |
Fixer |
now i understand why MC introduced many kinds of doors |
| 22:08 |
Sokomine |
coloured clay is great! it's a very nice material for building |
| 22:08 |
Fixer |
as well as minetest |
| 22:08 |
Sokomine |
and doors are good as well |
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red-002 |
hey can bigfoot547 have voice? |
| 22:46 |
Shara |
Hi bigfoot547 |
| 22:47 |
VaultyTowers |
anyone know how to get a free VPN for linux? |
| 22:47 |
red-002 |
VaultyTowers, VPN's don't tend to care what OS you use |
| 22:48 |
VaultyTowers |
fine does anyone know any free ones period XD |
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red-002 |
and thats why you register with chanserv |
| 22:53 |
red-002 |
nickserv* |
| 22:53 |
red-002 |
*serv* |
| 22:53 |
rubenwardy |
bigfoot547, /msg NickServ register username email |
| 22:57 |
red-002 |
s/username/password ? |
| 22:58 |
benrob0329 |
red-002: yes |
| 23:18 |
Fixer |
https://i.imgur.com/cPHKV2l.png |
| 23:19 |
benrob0329 |
>4:3 |
| 23:19 |
benrob0329 |
kek |
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Fixer |
benrob0329: 5:4 |
| 23:28 |
Hijiri |
Jordach: it doesn't look like your system allows for machines with multiple outputs being output in different directions from a machine, is that intended? It doesn't actually describe what extractor pipes do, but it looks like it's implying one output inventory |
| 23:29 |
Jordach |
Hijiri, the pipes allow non top and bottom faces irregardless |
| 23:29 |
Jordach |
refresh it, there's a few new things that add some factorio like complexity |
| 23:29 |
Hijiri |
I opened it a moment ago |
| 23:29 |
Hijiri |
Jordach: I mean for example a recipe produces ice cream and water buckets, and those get output from different sides |
| 23:30 |
Jordach |
Hijiri, it'll extract in sequence |
| 23:30 |
Hijiri |
so it would all go out the same side? |
| 23:30 |
Jordach |
yes |
| 23:30 |
Hijiri |
ok, so it can't be output from different sides, then |
| 23:30 |
Jordach |
Modded MC spoilt me with intelligent sides and routing |
| 23:31 |
Jordach |
using a London Underground stop system is unique |
| 23:31 |
Jordach |
plus they have to be pulsed by a power source |
| 23:31 |
Hijiri |
I guess so, don't know if that means it's better though |
| 23:31 |
Jordach |
Hijiri, IRL conveyors are like that |
| 23:31 |
Hijiri |
IRL machines don't take one node |
| 23:32 |
Jordach |
obviously ;) |
| 23:32 |
Jordach |
i wanted a proper balance between the two |
| 23:32 |
Jordach |
basic automation features |
| 23:32 |
Hijiri |
If you had a centrifuge for example it wouldn't make sense to output them from the same outlet |
| 23:32 |
Jordach |
and some difficulty rather than *cough* AE2 |
| 23:32 |
Jordach |
Hijiri, as MT doesn't do multiblocks juuuuuust yet (other than the Technic reactor) |
| 23:33 |
Jordach |
i'm staving off of them for simplicity |
| 23:33 |
Hijiri |
MT doesn't need to do it, I'm convinced you could make a multiblock structure library in pure modding currently |
| 23:33 |
Jordach |
Hijiri, considering factories are multiblock structures ;) |
| 23:33 |
Hijiri |
multiblock machines |
| 23:33 |
Jordach |
same difference |
| 23:34 |
Jordach |
most of them have a simple i/o |
| 23:34 |
Jordach |
(eg, two chests) |
| 23:34 |
Hijiri |
I can describe the entire thing if we want to be pedantic |
| 23:34 |
Jordach |
you could |
| 23:34 |
Jordach |
but notice most of the auto-sorting stupidity is missing |
| 23:34 |
Jordach |
i may also do some sort of JABBA like for those who want to neatly display things |
| 23:35 |
Hijiri |
What does auto-sorting being missing have to do with this? |
| 23:35 |
Hijiri |
the multiblock stuff |
| 23:35 |
Hijiri |
not the side output stuff |
| 23:35 |
Jordach |
i'm not a fan of multiblocks |
| 23:36 |
Jordach |
<obscure material block 1> <tedium crafting block 2> |
| 23:36 |
Jordach |
immersive engineering looks nice |
| 23:36 |
Jordach |
horrible to do |
| 23:36 |
Hijiri |
by "do" you mean use as a player right |
| 23:36 |
Jordach |
yes |
| 23:36 |
Hijiri |
ok |
| 23:36 |
Jordach |
i've played lots of modded MC on a few servers |
| 23:36 |
Hijiri |
I guess if that's a personal preference |
| 23:37 |
Hijiri |
I thought you were implying that you would do them if you could do it easily, since you blamed MT not supporting them well |
| 23:37 |
Jordach |
it's because MT has a monster of a desync issue |
| 23:37 |
Hijiri |
Is that a problem for multiblocks? |
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| 23:37 |
Jordach |
my chest experiment showed that it struggles with communicating states to a single object, let alone 3^3 |
| 23:38 |
Hijiri |
by object you mean node? |
| 23:38 |
Fixer |
https://i.imgur.com/GIaDSkv.png |
| 23:38 |
Hijiri |
Or are you saying each node would be an entity? |
| 23:38 |
Jordach |
either or |
| 23:39 |
Jordach |
it's doable as both |
| 23:39 |
benrob0329 |
what if every entity was a node :^) |
| 23:39 |
Fixer |
https://i.imgur.com/sQ4B8eK.png |
| 23:39 |
Hijiri |
I imagine you would have 3x3 invisible nodes and just an entity / node in the center that was big enough to display the whole thing |
| 23:39 |
Hijiri |
3x3x3 |
| 23:39 |
Hijiri |
or whatever size your thing is |
| 23:40 |
Jordach |
https://youtu.be/JHfmoG4MUIQ |
| 23:40 |
Hijiri |
multiblocks don't have to be animated |
| 23:40 |
Hijiri |
animation and multiblock are orthogonal |
| 23:40 |
Jordach |
Hijiri, remember, active and inactive states still need to be sent to clients |
| 23:41 |
Jordach |
even locally that had inane levels of latency |
| 23:41 |
Hijiri |
If you're updating one node / entity then what's the difference with single node machines? |
| 23:41 |
Jordach |
CSM might help |
| 23:41 |
benrob0329 |
nodes need animation |
| 23:41 |
Jordach |
^ |
| 23:41 |
Jordach |
wielditem custom models wen |
| 23:41 |
benrob0329 |
thatd solve a lot of out problems |
| 23:41 |
Hijiri |
Jordach: Okay, but it's still no different that working with a single node |
| 23:41 |
benrob0329 |
*out |
| 23:41 |
Hijiri |
than* |
| 23:41 |
benrob0329 |
*our |
| 23:41 |
Jordach |
Hijiri the problem is latency |
| 23:42 |
Jordach |
you don;t know how bad it is for some servers |
| 23:42 |
Hijiri |
Why is it a bigger problem with a multiblock |
| 23:42 |
Hijiri |
You're still only updating one node / entity |
| 23:42 |
benrob0329 |
if nodes had entity like animation, and states, you could set the animation based on the state |
| 23:42 |
benrob0329 |
same with texture etc |
| 23:42 |
Jordach |
benrob0329, i'd love nodes in the form of a state machine |
| 23:42 |
Hijiri |
benrob0329: and you would still need to send states |
| 23:42 |
Jordach |
Hijiri, sending the changing states is a problem |
| 23:42 |
benrob0329 |
Hijiri: so? sending a 1 or a 2 isnt hard |
| 23:43 |
Hijiri |
benrob0329: right, and neither is sending an animation index |
| 23:43 |
Jordach |
Hijiri, i'd advise you to stand in a pipeworks factory ;) |
| 23:43 |
benrob0329 |
1,30,5 state 3 |
| 23:43 |
Hijiri |
Jordach: I still don't see why the problem is worse with a multiblock than a single node machine |
| 23:43 |
Hijiri |
(because you still haven't explained it) |
| 23:43 |
benrob0329 |
Hijiri: think about it this way |
| 23:43 |
benrob0329 |
you have a chest |
| 23:43 |
benrob0329 |
and you have to have two states anyways |
| 23:44 |
Jordach |
Hijiri, because a multiblock might be misloaded, a node missing (MT doesn't check for those automatically) |
| 23:44 |
benrob0329 |
one for open, one for close |
| 23:44 |
Hijiri |
Jordach: Only the "main" node has to be loaded |
| 23:44 |
Fixer |
Jordach: could this help in any way? https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/5702 |
| 23:44 |
Hijiri |
The other nodes are just there so that if you dig them it undoes the whole structure |
| 23:45 |
benrob0329 |
having to manage changing states (with callbacks, youll need to copy meta manually, without youll need to make the node do a thing on a timer) is a huge pain |
| 23:45 |
benrob0329 |
trust me when i say its a huge pain |
| 23:45 |
Jordach |
Fixer, *orgasm* |
| 23:45 |
benrob0329 |
i made a mod that had 10+ states on a node |
| 23:45 |
Hijiri |
Jordach: You only need one node to provide visuals, processing things, etc., the rest of the nodes can just display the "main" node's formspec and remove the structure on_destruxt |
| 23:45 |
Jordach |
Hijiri, Tile Entities mostly make it straight forward |
| 23:46 |
Hijiri |
Jordach: sure, but there aren't great problems with implementing such a library in MT |
| 23:46 |
Hijiri |
including desync problems |
| 23:46 |
Jordach |
Hijiri, https://github.com/Jordach/big_freaking_dig/blob/master/mods/deco/init.lua#L917 |
| 23:46 |
benrob0329 |
each state could only overide certain aspects of the node |
| 23:46 |
Jordach |
look at the shit i had to do to make a chest lid swing open and shut |
| 23:46 |
Hijiri |
For one node |
| 23:47 |
Hijiri |
the problem will be the same with a multiblock or one node |
| 23:47 |
Jordach |
Hijiri, depending on things, that might have even more animations |
| 23:47 |
Jordach |
eg, processing, smelting, grinding etc |
| 23:47 |
Hijiri |
But not because it was a multiblock, only because it is a machine |
| 23:47 |
Jordach |
which is a bitch to do |
| 23:47 |
benrob0329 |
Hijiri: it would be far less caotic for one node + states |
| 23:47 |
Hijiri |
Jordach: Why do multiblocks need to have multiple animations when a single node machine only needs one? |
| 23:47 |
Hijiri |
or two |
| 23:48 |
Jordach |
Hijiri, because a multiblock may do multiple things |
| 23:48 |
Jordach |
(factorization and magneticcraft speak to me( |
| 23:48 |
Fixer |
https://i.imgur.com/HzyguHR.png |
| 23:48 |
Hijiri |
They don't need to though |
| 23:48 |
Jordach |
ask anyone who's played a game in the last 30 years |
| 23:48 |
benrob0329 |
multinode: redifine every spect of the node 20 times, make a nice meta-copying function that calls node callbacks, make sure that each node returns to base state or else everything will go horribly wrong |
| 23:48 |
Jordach |
even the smallest shit has an animation |
| 23:48 |
Hijiri |
The only game in the last 30 years with multiblocks is minecraft |
| 23:49 |
Jordach |
Hijiri, tile entities make that a fucking breeze |
| 23:49 |
Jordach |
they are not a block |
| 23:49 |
Jordach |
nor an entity in the MT way |
| 23:49 |
benrob0329 |
ok hold on for a minute |
| 23:49 |
Hijiri |
They could be implemented with an entity + other stuff, ignoring the entity component stuff MC has going on |
| 23:49 |
Jordach |
MT cannot do it properly since there's too many hoops to jump through |
| 23:49 |
benrob0329 |
Hijiri: why would yo not want node states? |
| 23:49 |
Hijiri |
You can jump through the hoops |
| 23:49 |
Fixer |
https://i.imgur.com/Y60aFFx.png need to think more about this floor transition, it bothers me |
| 23:50 |
Jordach |
at the cost of being a tech demo |
| 23:50 |
Hijiri |
benrob0329: I'm saying it wouldn't solve the desync problem if you had to send each state |
| 23:50 |
Hijiri |
benrob0329: It could be good for other reasons |
| 23:50 |
Jordach |
i'm opinionated because i've seen it's trash |
| 23:50 |
benrob0329 |
each state is a lot less intensive than a new friggen node |
| 23:50 |
Jordach |
theres no point in doing it |
| 23:50 |
Jordach |
Minetest isn't "dynamic" in the slightest |
| 23:50 |
Hijiri |
Jordach: So I'm guessing all your single node machines are going to be animated? |
| 23:51 |
Jordach |
Hijiri, fuck that |
| 23:51 |
Jordach |
i'm not made of dev time |
| 23:51 |
Hijiri |
Okay, then why does a multiblock have to be animated? |
| 23:51 |
Jordach |
Hijiri, because users cannot tell if it works or not |
| 23:51 |
Hijiri |
Jordach: do you mean if it's put together properly |
| 23:51 |
Jordach |
yes and no |
| 23:52 |
Jordach |
you need states to identify what it's doing |
| 23:52 |
benrob0329 |
Hijiri: ignore the horid code style and look at this |
| 23:52 |
benrob0329 |
https://github.com/benrob0329/tardis/blob/master/demat.lua |
| 23:52 |
Hijiri |
Jordach: Are you talking about multiple functions again? |
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| 23:52 |
benrob0329 |
there are 12 node def in that file |
| 23:52 |
Hijiri |
Why not just have single-function machines like IE? |
| 23:52 |
benrob0329 |
12! |
| 23:52 |
Hijiri |
benrob0329: I wouldn't consider implementing animations like that |
| 23:52 |
Jordach |
Hijiri, entities cannot be semi-transparent |
| 23:53 |
benrob0329 |
a node state that redefines the texture and timer would make that a breeze |
| 23:53 |
Jordach |
protip |
| 23:53 |
Hijiri |
Jordach: oh right |
| 23:53 |
Jordach |
it's alpha or no alpha |
| 23:53 |
benrob0329 |
reduce the amount of code by..90%? |
| 23:53 |
Hijiri |
benrob0329: So what about supporting node animations though? |
| 23:53 |
Jordach |
no middle ground, just the high ground...it's OVER ANAKIN |
| 23:53 |
benrob0329 |
Hijiri: thatd be incredibly usefull |
| 23:53 |
benrob0329 |
doors could have some life to them |
| 23:53 |
Jordach |
how about wielditem custom meshes as well |
| 23:54 |
Jordach |
benrob0329, see masalis doors please |
| 23:54 |
Fixer |
malasis |
| 23:54 |
Fixer |
or molasis |
| 23:54 |
Fixer |
molasis had crash with optifine, but now it is fixed |
| 23:54 |
Jordach |
Hijiri, MC modders won't touch MT because it's not fecking flexible enough to do some cool shit |
| 23:55 |
Jordach |
that includes multiblocks |
| 23:55 |
Fixer |
multiblocks? you mean cheasel & bits? |
| 23:55 |
Hijiri |
I'm not saying it wouldn't be cool to support multiblocks, but I'm saying you could still get a lot of functionality through mod land |
| 23:55 |
Hijiri |
If you wanted that functionality |
| 23:56 |
benrob0329 |
node/entity/item states + animaiton + texture override + dynamic textures = win for all |
| 23:56 |
Jordach |
Hijiri, multiblocks are used just to look cool half of the time |
| 23:56 |
Jordach |
i'd rather be nice and cubic |
| 23:57 |
Jordach |
everything in solar plains is 1/16 |
| 23:57 |
Hijiri |
Well if it's just about your preference, this conversation seems pointless since you wouldn't use multiblocks even if they were supported as an API |
| 23:58 |
Jordach |
big massive machines that look nice but are an arse to work with vs a small block with plenty of i/o |
| 23:58 |
benrob0329 |
I would use states and/or multiblocks |
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| 23:59 |
benrob0329 |
tbh i stopped work atm on that tardis mod because i need to convert it to an api, and with the amount of ndoes defines... |
| 23:59 |
benrob0329 |
yeah |
| 23:59 |
Jordach |
i also dislike the tanks as seen in the core engine |
| 23:59 |
Jordach |
framed glass looks like shit |
| 23:59 |
Jordach |
Minecraft as a game on it;s own proves that MT needs work |
