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00:01 gregorycu Night
00:02 gregorycu I have such a clock at work, by the way
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04:25 sofar are all the bots down?
04:26 sofar ah no, ShadowBot is up
04:26 sofar !tell est31 weblate says the entire minetest project is locked, nobody can translate atm?
04:26 ShadowBot sofar: O.K.
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07:44 nore ~tell ShadowNinja it looks like thread tests still fail on OSX (with recent PRs)
07:44 ShadowBot nore: O.K.
07:46 nore #4077 should be complete now, can anyone review?
07:46 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/4077 -- Colored chat and other strings by Ekdohibs
08:07 Zeno` #4072
08:07 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/4072 -- Fix holding down F10 (open console) causing GUI to freeze by Zeno-
08:08 Zeno` nore, you may not be able to freeze your computer (it depends a lot on CPU speed; on my laptop it takes much longer to freeze than on my desktop, but it still does)
08:08 Zeno` freeze on your*
08:09 Zeno` once mientest does freeze (before the patch) you will have to alt-tab away from it and kill it using whatever your preferred method is
08:10 Zeno` knife, axe, with hands... any method is good
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09:41 lisac Hi nore.
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10:01 lisac nore?
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10:18 lisac nore?
10:21 nore Hey lisac
10:21 lisac :D
10:21 lisac I wanted to ask you how'd I color an item description?
10:22 nore Sorry, was in class, going to eat now
10:22 lisac Ok.
10:22 nore Just read the doc :)
10:22 nrzkt nore: ?
10:22 lisac I did :D
10:22 nrzkt nore ?
10:22 lisac Still, it won't work.
10:22 nrzkt i think lisac is a nore fanboy :p
10:22 nore nrzkt ?
10:23 nore :D
10:23 lisac 2016-05-04 11:58:07: ERROR[Main]: ModError: Failed to load and run script from /home/lisacvuk/.minetest/game​s/lars/mods/default/init.lua:
10:23 lisac 2016-05-04 11:58:07: ERROR[Main]: ...lisacvuk/.minetest/games/la​rs/mods/default/nodes.lua:187: attempt to call field 'colorize' (a nil value)
10:23 lisac Maybe :D
10:23 nore Try with a s instead of z
10:23 lisac Ok.
10:23 lisac 2016-05-04 12:23:42: ERROR[Main]: ...lisacvuk/.minetest/games/la​rs/mods/default/nodes.lua:187: attempt to call field 'colorise' (a nil value)
10:24 nore Ehm... did you update it?
10:25 lisac Yes.
10:25 nrzkt nore i was just doing like lisac, spamming your name :D
10:25 nore I know, that why I did the same to you :p
10:25 lisac :D
10:26 lisac description = core.colorize("#ffffff", "Stone"),
10:28 nore Ehm... use minetest instead of core maybe
10:28 lisac Ok.
10:29 lisac nore: Nope.
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11:08 nore lisac: minetest.colorize("#00ffff", text)
11:09 nore and "#ffffff" is white, so if you do this on items, it won't change anything...
11:09 lisac nore: 2016-05-04 13:09:26: ERROR[Main]: ...lisacvuk/.minetest/games/la​rs/mods/default/nodes.lua:187: attempt to call field 'colorize' (a nil value)
11:10 nore ehm... well, I don't get any problem with it
11:10 nore what happens when you do /help all?
11:10 lisac moment.
11:11 Zeno` Added a comment to #4072 to explain, hopefully, why the freeze occurs and the change is needed
11:11 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/4072 -- Fix holding down F10 (open console) causing GUI to freeze by Zeno-
11:12 Zeno` seems a bit overboard, but *shrug*
11:12 lisac nore: It only makes the background blue, the text is still white.
11:12 nore lisac: the background??
11:12 lisac Yes, behind the chat.
11:13 lisac Chat's background is blue.
11:13 * nore rereads the code
11:13 * nore has no problem
11:14 lisac I can give you a screenshot.
11:14 lisac I could also re-download the code, and compile it again.
11:15 nore could you try to re-download please?
11:16 lisac Sure. It also changes to white, and then back to blue from time to time.
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11:16 nore do you have a screenshot too please?
11:16 lisac Moment, I just deleted it, redownloading.
11:19 lisac compiling..
11:21 Zeno` #4072 is *again* updated with much more straightforward and correct code
11:21 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/4072 -- Fix holding down F10 (open console) causing GUI to freeze by Zeno-
11:21 * nore tests
11:22 nore I can confirm there is a bug with current versions
11:24 nore compiling...
11:25 Zeno` :)
11:27 nore I can confirm it fixes the bug
11:27 Zeno` Thanks nore. I'm going to commit it in 15 minutes (roughly) unless there is an objection.
11:28 Zeno` It will conflict with your PR but it's an easy enough conflict to fix (you only moved the file after all)
11:29 Zeno` Can you satisfy yourself that the logic is sane and add label? ;)
11:29 nore ok, push it
11:29 Zeno` ok cool :)
11:30 nore and the quicker you push it, the earlier I will be able to fix my pr ;)
11:30 Zeno` I'll do it now
11:30 nore btw, have you seen my answer about the =0? what's your opinion on it?
11:31 Zeno` oh, I agreed that it probably should be left given the reason you gave
11:32 Zeno` it's just yuck, but your reason makes sense
11:32 Zeno` pushed
11:32 nore ok :)
11:33 Zeno` another problem I have with the =0 instead of NULL is that when scrolling quickly it's possible to misread and think it's a pure virtual function
11:33 Zeno` but it's not a big deal at all
11:33 nore yay, git rebased automagically without help :)
11:33 Zeno` magic!
11:33 nore indeed
11:33 * nore checks it still works
11:33 Zeno` lol
11:34 nore lisac: what was the result then?
11:34 lisac It compiled, but I forgot to switch to colored_chat branch....
11:34 nore works :)
11:34 nore :D
11:36 Zeno` I'd be a bit concerned if that change broke it hehehe
11:37 nore well, what I feared was the git automerge
11:38 nore that maybe prevented it from compiling
11:38 nore lisac: so, what do you get now?
11:38 lisac I'm now trying to get the right branch... I'm sort of new to git aswell.
11:40 lisac nore: Can you help me? I'm sort of time limited.
11:40 lisac How do I get the right branch?
11:41 nore lisac: wget -O - https://github.com/minetes​t/minetest/pull/4077.patch | git am
11:43 lisac Doesn't work, I'll just clone the right branch.
11:46 nore ~tell paramat I finally retested #2823, the bug is still there
11:46 ShadowBot nore: O.K.
11:47 nore Zeno`: what's your opinion on the coloured chat pull btw?
11:47 Zeno` nore: A small point... the documentation could be a little bit clearer. E.g. `color` is a ColorString  ... what is a ColorString?
11:48 nore it is written above :)
11:48 * Zeno` looks again
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11:49 Zeno` I see :)
11:49 Zeno` lol, I added those names colors
11:49 Zeno` I should have known
11:49 Zeno` named*
11:50 nore :D
11:50 Zeno` umm, I'm fine with the PR. I have tested and it works as advertised. I have not, however, reviewed enrichedstring.cpp & .h
11:50 nore ok, thanks :)
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11:54 lisac nore: Text is colored, but has random background.
11:54 nore lisac: hm, interesting
11:55 lisac screenshot incoming.
11:59 nore ~tell lisac could you please try the commit I just added?
11:59 ShadowBot nore: O.K.
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13:08 PilzAdam I just noticed that I can dig sandstone brick stairs with my hands; can someone look into that?
13:11 Fixer you can dig sandstone with your hands
13:12 Fixer not only stairs
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13:13 PilzAdam I'm talking about sandstone bricks
13:16 Fixer PilzAdam, https://i.imgur.com/5Cl7mVL.png
13:17 Fixer i guess I need to file a bug
13:18 Fixer i was thinking about that too
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13:40 Fixer PilzAdam, https://github.com/minetest​/minetest_game/issues/1071
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14:43 Zeno` Fixer, I think you should
14:43 Zeno` will be easy enough to fix as well
14:47 Fixer Zeno`, already did this ^
14:48 Zeno` heh
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16:02 sofar I certainly could see that we make the sandstone bricks all not diggable by hand
16:03 sofar I actually don't mind that sandstone is diggable by hand
16:12 paramat nor do i
16:14 paramat could make it crumbly = 1, and bricks cracky = 3
16:15 Zeno` ?
16:15 Zeno` bricks are hard
16:15 Zeno` I can't break them effectively using just my hands
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16:16 paramat stone brick is cracky = 2, was thinking of making sandstone brick softer than that, maybe not
16:16 Zeno` then again I can't chop down trees with my hand either
16:16 Zeno` even though I used to be a ninja
16:16 sofar :)
16:16 sofar kung fu panda!
16:16 Zeno` heh :D
16:16 johnnyjoy Sandstone brittle, but not easy to break with hands at all.
16:17 Zeno` I think the report though is focusing on the fact that they're not consisten
16:17 Zeno` t
16:17 Fixer !tell gregorycu any progress on https://github.com/gregory​cu/minetest/commits/Jitter ?
16:17 ShadowBot Fixer: O.K.
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16:19 PilzAdam paramat, the cracky rating should sort nodes into rough categories; if you only think about toughness then use the level group
16:19 Zeno` ShadowNinja, fix your bot. Ok (ok, OK, okay) are not an abbreviation :p
16:19 Zeno` It annoys me and makes me want to smash my monitor :(
16:19 PilzAdam paramat, so all bricks get cracky=2; if stone is harder than sandstone then it should have a higher level
16:20 paramat ok
16:20 Zeno` lol
16:20 PilzAdam Zeno`, just chill, o.k.
16:20 Zeno` oh dear
16:20 * Zeno` looks at PilzAdam
16:21 paramat crumbly = 1 ok for sandstone PA? eventually diggable by hand
16:21 PilzAdam dunno; I don't know the common group ratings of mt_game off the top of my head
16:22 paramat no prob will make PR
16:22 Zeno` P.R.
16:22 hmmmm sandstone brick shouldn't be diggable by hand though
16:23 hmmmm sand can be very strong when set
16:23 Zeno` hmmmm, that's what I think the issue report is suggesting
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16:23 Zeno` (and which I agree with)
16:23 hmmmm i think these kind of small parameter/texture changes are distracting from the bigger issues of mtgame
16:24 Zeno` hmmmm, maybe. But they must be consistent at least. From the issue report it looks like not all bricks are equal
16:25 paramat sure, sandbrick will be cracky = 2 and not crumbly at all
16:25 Zeno` paramat, why should half height sandbrick be different?
16:25 Zeno` to full height sandbrick?
16:25 sofar it shouldn't
16:25 sofar bricks/stairs should act the same
16:26 sofar and slabs
16:26 paramat yeah the same
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16:29 paramat hmmmm if you can bear to do this, could you look at l-system implementation for any obvious mistakes? it causes lighting bugs #3421
16:29 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/3421 -- L-system lighting bug
16:29 Zeno` isn't that what the report is saying? That they're not the same?
16:29 paramat however that may be due to updateLighting, nasty
16:29 Fixer famous shadow bugz
16:31 paramat l-system causes subtle shadows in water, which may have been missed when it was merged
16:31 Fixer btw, just random look at stutter today (exposed with torch mod that updates lighting below player): https://imgur.com/ypGwowQ
16:31 Fixer paramat, don't forget placing water sources in ocean will make them darker bug %)
16:31 Fixer by 1 level iirc
16:32 paramat github will remember for me
16:32 paramat walking light is a heavy mod, lots of lighting updates
16:33 Zeno` I did a lot of experiments with l-system and didn't notice any lighting issues; is it new?
16:33 Fixer yes, but look how much it takes to update it once :/
16:33 Zeno` or being called in a different way?
16:33 Fixer bumped gregorycu about that jitter commit, maybe he will look again at it
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16:36 paramat Zeno maybe new. VanessaE can you remember if those subtle shadows in water caused by l-system have been around a long time?
16:37 paramat the extreme shadows are caused by mgv7 etc, any mapgen with 1-up overgeneration
16:38 paramat (so not mgv6)
16:38 Zeno` about a year ago (IIRC) there was a change to l-system to handle stuff when it crossed chunk borders
16:38 Zeno` maybe related, I dunno
16:39 Zeno` l-system was causing (before the fix) crazy huge chunks of random nodes if the top extended above the top of a block
16:39 paramat oh that
16:39 Zeno` I remember the bug reports because some of them looked kinda cool
16:40 paramat could be, overgeneration acts at y = 47/48
16:41 paramat the water shadows may be a seperate issue
16:41 Zeno` just throwing out random ideas :)
16:41 Zeno` ideas/thoughts
16:42 paramat the extreme dark shadows only happen when the mapchunk above is not yet generated
16:42 paramat so rarely, because l-system is meant to be used after mapgen
16:43 paramat moretrees uses it during mapgen so causes dark shadows
16:44 Fixer paramat, btw, why not than load it in order, so black shadows not appear (noob question)
16:45 paramat that's hacky. it should be more robust
16:46 Warr1024 heh, that's not hacky.  http://gitlab.com/sztest/szutilpac​k/blob/master/sz_fixhack/init.lua is hacky.
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16:58 Zeno` I think a spider bited me
16:59 Zeno` Hard to tell but the blister-like things on my arm are suspicious
16:59 Zeno` either the spider or bubonic plague I guess
17:00 sofar are you in australia?
17:00 Zeno` I am
17:00 sofar if so, you're probably dead
17:00 Zeno` oh great
17:01 Zeno` I probably got bitten by a highly venomous spider that was also carrying bubonic plague
17:01 Zeno` it's all good though; I suppose
17:01 sofar thank god I live in the US. Worst thing I've seen on my property where we're building is just a black bear
17:02 * Zeno` wonders if bears are good to eat
17:02 sofar absolutely
17:02 Zeno` nice!
17:02 Zeno` Spiders don't taste nice
17:02 Zeno` well, apparently tarantula do
17:03 Zeno` but I haven't eaten one of them
17:24 ShadowNinja Zeno`: It may be an abreviation of "oll korrect" according to http://grammarist.com/spelling/ok-okay/
17:25 Fixer how you are supposed to eat tarantula? smallest thing i eat was pigeon
17:27 Zeno` Fixer, I think you fry them... not sure
17:30 Calinou smelt them in a furance
17:30 Zeno` ShadowNinja, I have heard that hypothesis before, but ok, thanks
17:32 sofar Fixer: never had shrimp?
17:33 Fixer oh, ofc yes, forgot about that, pain in the ***
17:33 Fixer i want shrimp but huge one
17:36 Fixer lobster should be nice, but never tasted it
17:36 Zeno` it's more than nice
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19:01 lisac nore: Sorry for leaving like that, I was late for school.
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19:04 lisac nore: It works now!
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19:06 lisac |tell
19:07 lisac |later
19:07 lisac | tell
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20:09 lisac nore
20:09 lisac nore
20:09 lisac nore
20:09 nore yes?
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20:21 paramat updated game#1065 back to half coverage
20:21 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest​/minetest_game/issues/1065 -- Default: Lower grass_side and snow_side textures by paramat
20:35 MillersMan is there a way to generate world chunks in a specific order? i need a repeatable generation process to get meaningful statistics
20:38 Fixer devs seem away right now, they will answer that for sure when will be near computer
20:42 MillersMan i think i can speed-up map-gen's updateLiquid to to be still around 30ms and only around 70 trans_liquid adds per chunk
20:43 Fixer MillersMan, nice, have you looked at that flow interruption for few blocks I mentioned?
20:43 paramat erm
20:44 MillersMan Fixer, I have them observed myself too, but i don't have an idea what might be causing them
20:44 Fixer MillersMan, my idea, middle mapchunk loaded last, so below chunk will go down and upper will reflow, maybe this?
20:45 MillersMan it looks like some blocks aren't added at all, sometimes
20:45 paramat you could teleport the player to specific locations in sequence
20:45 paramat using a mod
20:46 MillersMan paramat, is there already such a mod?
20:46 paramat yeah hang on ..
20:47 paramat https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=11&t=2950 will need editing
20:48 paramat that flow interruption doesn't bother me as long as it eventually returns to being a complete column
20:48 VanessaE paramat: I don't know how long the more subtle shadows triggered by moretrees have been around.
20:49 paramat ok. i might bisect it just before the last code change
20:52 VanessaE regarding game 1065, tobyplowy's suggestion to extend the grass-side texture to reach all the way down the node if there's grass adjacent is a really good idea.
20:52 VanessaE you could just use the grass top texture in that instance.
20:54 VanessaE (that way no new textures need be drawn)
20:55 VanessaE c1ffisme's suggestion that it be done as a separate drawtype applied only to grass/savanna grass/snow has merit.
20:57 VanessaE it would certainly solve your core problem of making grassy(etc) slopes look more grassy on the X/Z sides :)
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21:08 Fixer kahrl, can you look at this now? https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/4051
21:08 Fixer kahrl, chat scroll
21:12 lisac nore: It works now.
21:12 * VanessaE pokes paramat
21:12 nore Ok, good
21:14 paramat VE yeah, worth considering
21:14 VanessaE good. :)
21:16 paramat although i might prefer a simple texture solution, no drawtype processing needed for the large amounts of surface nodes present
21:16 VanessaE it's the best way to achieve the effect you're trying to get by messing with the "size" of the side texture
21:17 VanessaE besides, it's not like the "processing" needed to handle such a drawtype would even be measurable anyway
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21:22 paramat well if you consider how many surface nodes are visible for much of the time, it will be significant, and mesh generation is our bottleneck
21:23 VanessaE yeah but the same would apply to ANY new drawtype that gets added, like with those connected nodeboxes.
21:23 paramat i'm not sure it would be worth it when the simple solution still looks good
21:23 VanessaE the majority of the "processing" associated with any new drawtype is in the decision-making code
21:23 sofar does anyone except est31 have an idea what is up with weblate? all translations have been locked for 24h now - bad timing just after freeze
21:24 sofar I've left a msg for est31, but he seems occupied
21:24 VanessaE the amount of time it would take to actually render the node after you get past the decision tree (a case statement I assume?) would be trivial
21:25 VanessaE sofar: no idea there.
21:25 paramat indeed i'm not knowledgeable about the impact
21:25 VanessaE why not just try it and benchmark the results?
21:25 VanessaE that's the only way to be sure, short of nuking it from orbit anyway
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21:36 VanessaE paramat: that aside, the "longer" side texture as proposed does seem attractive.  I say, do both.
21:37 paramat am happy you like it
21:37 VanessaE yeah imagine that, for once I don't dislike one of your proposed textures :D
21:49 sofar I'm totally fine with the longer side. do it.
21:50 VanessaE paramat: I'd say you have enough +1's for your textures now.
21:55 paramat waiting for reviews by game devs
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22:15 Wayward_One #200 doesn't seem to be a problem any more
22:15 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/200 -- clouds appear in front of water
22:28 Calinou maybe it was fixed with the addition of use_texture_alpha
22:31 Fixer btw, I've asked RBA to fix water before fog bug and he did fix it, maybe this is it
22:33 paramat please can anyone with android confirm #4086 fixes 2122 and 1454?
22:33 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/4086 -- Fix locked hardware buttons on Android by MoNTE48
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22:52 Wayward1 paramat, I'll test it when I get home
22:53 paramat thanks!
22:53 Wayward1 Yw :)
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23:30 paramat game#1075
23:30 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest​/minetest_game/issues/1075 -- Stairs/default: Make sandstone(brick) groups consistent by paramat
23:40 sofar so crumbly implies diggable by hand?
23:58 paramat think so, like dirt or sand
23:58 paramat game#1076
23:58 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest​/minetest_game/issues/1076 -- Fire: Override coalblock to support a permanent flame by paramat

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