Time  Nick        Message
00:01 gregorycu   Night
00:02 gregorycu   I have such a clock at work, by the way
04:25 sofar       are all the bots down?
04:26 sofar       ah no, ShadowBot is up
04:26 sofar       !tell est31 weblate says the entire minetest project is locked, nobody can translate atm?
04:26 ShadowBot   sofar: O.K.
07:44 nore        ~tell ShadowNinja it looks like thread tests still fail on OSX (with recent PRs)
07:44 ShadowBot   nore: O.K.
07:46 nore        #4077 should be complete now, can anyone review?
07:46 ShadowBot   https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/4077 -- Colored chat and other strings by Ekdohibs
08:07 Zeno`       #4072
08:07 ShadowBot   https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/4072 -- Fix holding down F10 (open console) causing GUI to freeze by Zeno-
08:08 Zeno`       nore, you may not be able to freeze your computer (it depends a lot on CPU speed; on my laptop it takes much longer to freeze than on my desktop, but it still does)
08:08 Zeno`       freeze on your*
08:09 Zeno`       once mientest does freeze (before the patch) you will have to alt-tab away from it and kill it using whatever your preferred method is
08:10 Zeno`       knife, axe, with hands... any method is good
09:41 lisac       Hi nore.
10:01 lisac       nore?
10:18 lisac       nore?
10:21 nore        Hey lisac
10:21 lisac       :D
10:21 lisac       I wanted to ask you how'd I color an item description?
10:22 nore        Sorry, was in class, going to eat now
10:22 lisac       Ok.
10:22 nore        Just read the doc :)
10:22 nrzkt       nore: ?
10:22 lisac       I did :D
10:22 nrzkt       nore ?
10:22 lisac       Still, it won't work.
10:22 nrzkt       i think lisac is a nore fanboy :p
10:22 nore        nrzkt ?
10:23 nore        :D
10:23 lisac       2016-05-04 11:58:07: ERROR[Main]: ModError: Failed to load and run script from /home/lisacvuk/.minetest/games/lars/mods/default/init.lua:
10:23 lisac       2016-05-04 11:58:07: ERROR[Main]: ...lisacvuk/.minetest/games/lars/mods/default/nodes.lua:187: attempt to call field 'colorize' (a nil value)
10:23 lisac       Maybe :D
10:23 nore        Try with a s instead of z
10:23 lisac       Ok.
10:23 lisac       2016-05-04 12:23:42: ERROR[Main]: ...lisacvuk/.minetest/games/lars/mods/default/nodes.lua:187: attempt to call field 'colorise' (a nil value)
10:24 nore        Ehm... did you update it?
10:25 lisac       Yes.
10:25 nrzkt       nore i was just doing like lisac, spamming your name :D
10:25 nore        I know, that why I did the same to you :p
10:25 lisac       :D
10:26 lisac       description = core.colorize("#ffffff", "Stone"),
10:28 nore        Ehm... use minetest instead of core maybe
10:28 lisac       Ok.
10:29 lisac       nore: Nope.
11:08 nore        lisac: minetest.colorize("#00ffff", text)
11:09 nore        and "#ffffff" is white, so if you do this on items, it won't change anything...
11:09 lisac       nore: 2016-05-04 13:09:26: ERROR[Main]: ...lisacvuk/.minetest/games/lars/mods/default/nodes.lua:187: attempt to call field 'colorize' (a nil value)
11:10 nore        ehm... well, I don't get any problem with it
11:10 nore        what happens when you do /help all?
11:10 lisac       moment.
11:11 Zeno`       Added a comment to #4072 to explain, hopefully, why the freeze occurs and the change is needed
11:11 ShadowBot   https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/4072 -- Fix holding down F10 (open console) causing GUI to freeze by Zeno-
11:12 Zeno`       seems a bit overboard, but *shrug*
11:12 lisac       nore: It only makes the background blue, the text is still white.
11:12 nore        lisac: the background??
11:12 lisac       Yes, behind the chat.
11:13 lisac       Chat's background is blue.
11:13 * nore      rereads the code
11:13 * nore      has no problem
11:14 lisac       I can give you a screenshot.
11:14 lisac       I could also re-download the code, and compile it again.
11:15 nore        could you try to re-download please?
11:16 lisac       Sure. It also changes to white, and then back to blue from time to time.
11:16 nore        do you have a screenshot too please?
11:16 lisac       Moment, I just deleted it, redownloading.
11:19 lisac       compiling..
11:21 Zeno`       #4072 is *again* updated with much more straightforward and correct code
11:21 ShadowBot   https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/4072 -- Fix holding down F10 (open console) causing GUI to freeze by Zeno-
11:21 * nore      tests
11:22 nore        I can confirm there is a bug with current versions
11:24 nore        compiling...
11:25 Zeno`       :)
11:27 nore        I can confirm it fixes the bug
11:27 Zeno`       Thanks nore. I'm going to commit it in 15 minutes (roughly) unless there is an objection.
11:28 Zeno`       It will conflict with your PR but it's an easy enough conflict to fix (you only moved the file after all)
11:29 Zeno`       Can you satisfy yourself that the logic is sane and add label? ;)
11:29 nore        ok, push it
11:29 Zeno`       ok cool :)
11:30 nore        and the quicker you push it, the earlier I will be able to fix my pr ;)
11:30 Zeno`       I'll do it now
11:30 nore        btw, have you seen my answer about the =0? what's your opinion on it?
11:31 Zeno`       oh, I agreed that it probably should be left given the reason you gave
11:32 Zeno`       it's just yuck, but your reason makes sense
11:32 Zeno`       pushed
11:32 nore        ok :)
11:33 Zeno`       another problem I have with the =0 instead of NULL is that when scrolling quickly it's possible to misread and think it's a pure virtual function
11:33 Zeno`       but it's not a big deal at all
11:33 nore        yay, git rebased automagically without help :)
11:33 Zeno`       magic!
11:33 nore        indeed
11:33 * nore      checks it still works
11:33 Zeno`       lol
11:34 nore        lisac: what was the result then?
11:34 lisac       It compiled, but I forgot to switch to colored_chat branch....
11:34 nore        works :)
11:34 nore        :D
11:36 Zeno`       I'd be a bit concerned if that change broke it hehehe
11:37 nore        well, what I feared was the git automerge
11:38 nore        that maybe prevented it from compiling
11:38 nore        lisac: so, what do you get now?
11:38 lisac       I'm now trying to get the right branch... I'm sort of new to git aswell.
11:40 lisac       nore: Can you help me? I'm sort of time limited.
11:40 lisac       How do I get the right branch?
11:41 nore        lisac: wget -O - https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/4077.patch | git am
11:43 lisac       Doesn't work, I'll just clone the right branch.
11:46 nore        ~tell paramat I finally retested #2823, the bug is still there
11:46 ShadowBot   nore: O.K.
11:47 nore        Zeno`: what's your opinion on the coloured chat pull btw?
11:47 Zeno`       nore: A small point... the documentation could be a little bit clearer. E.g. `color` is a ColorString  ... what is a ColorString?
11:48 nore        it is written above :)
11:48 * Zeno`     looks again
11:49 Zeno`       I see :)
11:49 Zeno`       lol, I added those names colors
11:49 Zeno`       I should have known
11:49 Zeno`       named*
11:50 nore        :D
11:50 Zeno`       umm, I'm fine with the PR. I have tested and it works as advertised. I have not, however, reviewed enrichedstring.cpp & .h
11:50 nore        ok, thanks :)
11:54 lisac       nore: Text is colored, but has random background.
11:54 nore        lisac: hm, interesting
11:55 lisac       screenshot incoming.
11:59 nore        ~tell lisac could you please try the commit I just added?
11:59 ShadowBot   nore: O.K.
13:08 PilzAdam    I just noticed that I can dig sandstone brick stairs with my hands; can someone look into that?
13:11 Fixer       you can dig sandstone with your hands
13:12 Fixer       not only stairs
13:13 PilzAdam    I'm talking about sandstone bricks
13:16 Fixer       PilzAdam, https://i.imgur.com/5Cl7mVL.png
13:17 Fixer       i guess I need to file a bug
13:18 Fixer       i was thinking about that too
13:40 Fixer       PilzAdam, https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/issues/1071
14:43 Zeno`       Fixer, I think you should
14:43 Zeno`       will be easy enough to fix as well
14:47 Fixer       Zeno`, already did this ^
14:48 Zeno`       heh
16:02 sofar       I certainly could see that we make the sandstone bricks all not diggable by hand
16:03 sofar       I actually don't mind that sandstone is diggable by hand
16:12 paramat     nor do i
16:14 paramat     could make it crumbly = 1, and bricks cracky = 3
16:15 Zeno`       ?
16:15 Zeno`       bricks are hard
16:15 Zeno`       I can't break them effectively using just my hands
16:16 paramat     stone brick is cracky = 2, was thinking of making sandstone brick softer than that, maybe not
16:16 Zeno`       then again I can't chop down trees with my hand either
16:16 Zeno`       even though I used to be a ninja
16:16 sofar       :)
16:16 sofar       kung fu panda!
16:16 Zeno`       heh :D
16:16 johnnyjoy   Sandstone brittle, but not easy to break with hands at all.
16:17 Zeno`       I think the report though is focusing on the fact that they're not consisten
16:17 Zeno`       t
16:17 Fixer       !tell gregorycu any progress on https://github.com/gregorycu/minetest/commits/Jitter ?
16:17 ShadowBot   Fixer: O.K.
16:19 PilzAdam    paramat, the cracky rating should sort nodes into rough categories; if you only think about toughness then use the level group
16:19 Zeno`       ShadowNinja, fix your bot. Ok (ok, OK, okay) are not an abbreviation :p
16:19 Zeno`       It annoys me and makes me want to smash my monitor :(
16:19 PilzAdam    paramat, so all bricks get cracky=2; if stone is harder than sandstone then it should have a higher level
16:20 paramat     ok
16:20 Zeno`       lol
16:20 PilzAdam    Zeno`, just chill, o.k.
16:20 Zeno`       oh dear
16:20 * Zeno`     looks at PilzAdam
16:21 paramat     crumbly = 1 ok for sandstone PA? eventually diggable by hand
16:21 PilzAdam    dunno; I don't know the common group ratings of mt_game off the top of my head
16:22 paramat     no prob will make PR
16:22 Zeno`       P.R.
16:22 hmmmm       sandstone brick shouldn't be diggable by hand though
16:23 hmmmm       sand can be very strong when set
16:23 Zeno`       hmmmm, that's what I think the issue report is suggesting
16:23 Zeno`       (and which I agree with)
16:23 hmmmm       i think these kind of small parameter/texture changes are distracting from the bigger issues of mtgame
16:24 Zeno`       hmmmm, maybe. But they must be consistent at least. From the issue report it looks like not all bricks are equal
16:25 paramat     sure, sandbrick will be cracky = 2 and not crumbly at all
16:25 Zeno`       paramat, why should half height sandbrick be different?
16:25 Zeno`       to full height sandbrick?
16:25 sofar       it shouldn't
16:25 sofar       bricks/stairs should act the same
16:26 sofar       and slabs
16:26 paramat     yeah the same
16:29 paramat     hmmmm if you can bear to do this, could you look at l-system implementation for any obvious mistakes? it causes lighting bugs #3421
16:29 ShadowBot   https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/3421 -- L-system lighting bug
16:29 Zeno`       isn't that what the report is saying? That they're not the same?
16:29 paramat     however that may be due to updateLighting, nasty
16:29 Fixer       famous shadow bugz
16:31 paramat     l-system causes subtle shadows in water, which may have been missed when it was merged
16:31 Fixer       btw, just random look at stutter today (exposed with torch mod that updates lighting below player): https://imgur.com/ypGwowQ
16:31 Fixer       paramat, don't forget placing water sources in ocean will make them darker bug %)
16:31 Fixer       by 1 level iirc
16:32 paramat     github will remember for me
16:32 paramat     walking light is a heavy mod, lots of lighting updates
16:33 Zeno`       I did a lot of experiments with l-system and didn't notice any lighting issues; is it new?
16:33 Fixer       yes, but look how much it takes to update it once :/
16:33 Zeno`       or being called in a different way?
16:33 Fixer       bumped gregorycu about that jitter commit, maybe he will look again at it
16:36 paramat     Zeno maybe new. VanessaE can you remember if those subtle shadows in water caused by l-system have been around a long time?
16:37 paramat     the extreme shadows are caused by mgv7 etc, any mapgen with 1-up overgeneration
16:38 paramat     (so not mgv6)
16:38 Zeno`       about a year ago (IIRC) there was a change to l-system to handle stuff when it crossed chunk borders
16:38 Zeno`       maybe related, I dunno
16:39 Zeno`       l-system was causing (before the fix) crazy huge chunks of random nodes if the top extended above the top of a block
16:39 paramat     oh that
16:39 Zeno`       I remember the bug reports because some of them looked kinda cool
16:40 paramat     could be, overgeneration acts at y = 47/48
16:41 paramat     the water shadows may be a seperate issue
16:41 Zeno`       just throwing out random ideas :)
16:41 Zeno`       ideas/thoughts
16:42 paramat     the extreme dark shadows only happen when the mapchunk above is not yet generated
16:42 paramat     so rarely, because l-system is meant to be used after mapgen
16:43 paramat     moretrees uses it during mapgen so causes dark shadows
16:44 Fixer       paramat, btw, why not than load it in order, so black shadows not appear (noob question)
16:45 paramat     that's hacky. it should be more robust
16:46 Warr1024    heh, that's not hacky.  http://gitlab.com/sztest/szutilpack/blob/master/sz_fixhack/init.lua is hacky.
16:58 Zeno`       I think a spider bited me
16:59 Zeno`       Hard to tell but the blister-like things on my arm are suspicious
16:59 Zeno`       either the spider or bubonic plague I guess
17:00 sofar       are you in australia?
17:00 Zeno`       I am
17:00 sofar       if so, you're probably dead
17:00 Zeno`       oh great
17:01 Zeno`       I probably got bitten by a highly venomous spider that was also carrying bubonic plague
17:01 Zeno`       it's all good though; I suppose
17:01 sofar       thank god I live in the US. Worst thing I've seen on my property where we're building is just a black bear
17:02 * Zeno`     wonders if bears are good to eat
17:02 sofar       absolutely
17:02 Zeno`       nice!
17:02 Zeno`       Spiders don't taste nice
17:02 Zeno`       well, apparently tarantula do
17:03 Zeno`       but I haven't eaten one of them
17:24 ShadowNinja Zeno`: It may be an abreviation of "oll korrect" according to http://grammarist.com/spelling/ok-okay/
17:25 Fixer       how you are supposed to eat tarantula? smallest thing i eat was pigeon
17:27 Zeno`       Fixer, I think you fry them... not sure
17:30 Calinou     smelt them in a furance
17:30 Zeno`       ShadowNinja, I have heard that hypothesis before, but ok, thanks
17:32 sofar       Fixer: never had shrimp?
17:33 Fixer       oh, ofc yes, forgot about that, pain in the ***
17:33 Fixer       i want shrimp but huge one
17:36 Fixer       lobster should be nice, but never tasted it
17:36 Zeno`       it's more than nice
19:01 lisac       nore: Sorry for leaving like that, I was late for school.
19:04 lisac       nore: It works now!
19:06 lisac       |tell
19:07 lisac       |later
19:07 lisac       | tell
20:09 lisac       nore
20:09 lisac       nore
20:09 lisac       nore
20:09 nore        yes?
20:21 paramat     updated game#1065 back to half coverage
20:21 ShadowBot   https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/issues/1065 -- Default: Lower grass_side and snow_side textures by paramat
20:35 MillersMan  is there a way to generate world chunks in a specific order? i need a repeatable generation process to get meaningful statistics
20:38 Fixer       devs seem away right now, they will answer that for sure when will be near computer
20:42 MillersMan  i think i can speed-up map-gen's updateLiquid to to be still around 30ms and only around 70 trans_liquid adds per chunk
20:43 Fixer       MillersMan, nice, have you looked at that flow interruption for few blocks I mentioned?
20:43 paramat     erm
20:44 MillersMan  Fixer, I have them observed myself too, but i don't have an idea what might be causing them
20:44 Fixer       MillersMan, my idea, middle mapchunk loaded last, so below chunk will go down and upper will reflow, maybe this?
20:45 MillersMan  it looks like some blocks aren't added at all, sometimes
20:45 paramat     you could teleport the player to specific locations in sequence
20:45 paramat     using a mod
20:46 MillersMan  paramat, is there already such a mod?
20:46 paramat     yeah hang on ..
20:47 paramat     https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=2950 will need editing
20:48 paramat     that flow interruption doesn't bother me as long as it eventually returns to being a complete column
20:48 VanessaE    paramat: I don't know how long the more subtle shadows triggered by moretrees have been around.
20:49 paramat     ok. i might bisect it just before the last code change
20:52 VanessaE    regarding game 1065, tobyplowy's suggestion to extend the grass-side texture to reach all the way down the node if there's grass adjacent is a really good idea.
20:52 VanessaE    you could just use the grass top texture in that instance.
20:54 VanessaE    (that way no new textures need be drawn)
20:55 VanessaE    c1ffisme's suggestion that it be done as a separate drawtype applied only to grass/savanna grass/snow has merit.
20:57 VanessaE    it would certainly solve your core problem of making grassy(etc) slopes look more grassy on the X/Z sides :)
21:08 Fixer       kahrl, can you look at this now? https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/4051
21:08 Fixer       kahrl, chat scroll
21:12 lisac       nore: It works now.
21:12 * VanessaE  pokes paramat
21:12 nore        Ok, good
21:14 paramat     VE yeah, worth considering
21:14 VanessaE    good. :)
21:16 paramat     although i might prefer a simple texture solution, no drawtype processing needed for the large amounts of surface nodes present
21:16 VanessaE    it's the best way to achieve the effect you're trying to get by messing with the "size" of the side texture
21:17 VanessaE    besides, it's not like the "processing" needed to handle such a drawtype would even be measurable anyway
21:22 paramat     well if you consider how many surface nodes are visible for much of the time, it will be significant, and mesh generation is our bottleneck
21:23 VanessaE    yeah but the same would apply to ANY new drawtype that gets added, like with those connected nodeboxes.
21:23 paramat     i'm not sure it would be worth it when the simple solution still looks good
21:23 VanessaE    the majority of the "processing" associated with any new drawtype is in the decision-making code
21:23 sofar       does anyone except est31 have an idea what is up with weblate? all translations have been locked for 24h now - bad timing just after freeze
21:24 sofar       I've left a msg for est31, but he seems occupied
21:24 VanessaE    the amount of time it would take to actually render the node after you get past the decision tree (a case statement I assume?) would be trivial
21:25 VanessaE    sofar: no idea there.
21:25 paramat     indeed i'm not knowledgeable about the impact
21:25 VanessaE    why not just try it and benchmark the results?
21:25 VanessaE    that's the only way to be sure, short of nuking it from orbit anyway
21:36 VanessaE    paramat: that aside, the "longer" side texture as proposed does seem attractive.  I say, do both.
21:37 paramat     am happy you like it
21:37 VanessaE    yeah imagine that, for once I don't dislike one of your proposed textures :D
21:49 sofar       I'm totally fine with the longer side. do it.
21:50 VanessaE    paramat: I'd say you have enough +1's for your textures now.
21:55 paramat     waiting for reviews by game devs
22:15 Wayward_One #200 doesn't seem to be a problem any more
22:15 ShadowBot   https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/200 -- clouds appear in front of water
22:28 Calinou     maybe it was fixed with the addition of use_texture_alpha
22:31 Fixer       btw, I've asked RBA to fix water before fog bug and he did fix it, maybe this is it
22:33 paramat     please can anyone with android confirm #4086 fixes 2122 and 1454?
22:33 ShadowBot   https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/4086 -- Fix locked hardware buttons on Android by MoNTE48
22:52 Wayward1    paramat, I'll test it when I get home
22:53 paramat     thanks!
22:53 Wayward1    Yw :)
23:30 paramat     game#1075
23:30 ShadowBot   https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/issues/1075 -- Stairs/default: Make sandstone(brick) groups consistent by paramat
23:40 sofar       so crumbly implies diggable by hand?
23:58 paramat     think so, like dirt or sand
23:58 paramat     game#1076
23:58 ShadowBot   https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/issues/1076 -- Fire: Override coalblock to support a permanent flame by paramat