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IRC log for #minetest-dev, 2014-03-17

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00:01 celeron55 killing forked competition with GPL isn't a very good idea; it makes people lazy
00:02 hmmmm fwiw i'm willing to convert all of my code to BSD if anybody desires
00:02 iqualfragile how would you kill forke competition with gpl? gpl does not forbid forks (well, as long as they still are gpl)
00:03 celeron55 because with gpl your competition is just some random hobbyists
00:03 celeron55 with lgpl we're getting these chinese crapware guys who actually happen to get things done
00:04 celeron55 yes, i'm saying it's a good thing
00:04 iqualfragile well, they could still do their stuff, as long as they give every buyer their changed sources
00:04 iqualfragile (on request)
00:05 celeron55 ...yeah sure, they'd do what they do if they had to do that? that's just a totally dumb assumption
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14:51 Sokomine is there a known sample for tablecolumns? that formspec feature sounds very intresting
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15:01 PenguinDad Sokomine, https://github.com/kahrl/tabletest
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15:12 Sokomine ah! thanks
15:16 Sokomine PenguinDad: looks extremly useful for my purpose. that example will help
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15:26 artur99 hi
15:27 artur99 something on translate.minetest.ru is not working
15:27 artur99 i cant change my First/Last name in the settings borad
15:27 artur99 it keeps telling me Please fix errors in the form.
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15:34 artur99 ??
15:34 artur99 anyone online?
15:38 sfan5 artur99: be patient
15:44 artur99 ok
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18:43 Fresh_meat_ hello everyone
19:00 artur99 hi
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19:55 Fresh_meat_ Can anyone help me with a question of mine : is it technically possible to script action like movements, block placing, ... with the lua script
19:55 Fresh_meat_ *scripting system ?
19:55 sfan5 client-side? no
19:56 Fresh_meat_ I am actually interested into using minetest to produce benchark
19:56 Fresh_meat_ so a way to reproduce action is needed
19:56 Fresh_meat_ and on server side ?
19:56 PilzAdam there is --random-input
19:57 sfan5 it would be fairly easy to hook up lua to an InputHandler
19:59 Fresh_meat_ ok so actually there is no way to reproduce a scripted scenario, but it is possible to implement something rather easilly
20:00 sfan5 yes
20:00 Fresh_meat_ ok
20:01 Fresh_meat_ does that means modification of the code base or rather just adding some bits of lua?
20:02 Fresh_meat_ because I really have no idea how to do that
20:03 sfan5 modification of code
20:04 Fresh_meat_ hu ... ok :(
20:04 Fresh_meat_ thanks anyway
20:05 sapier it's a major change in client code. Client side lua support is on improvement list for quite some time. But it's not likely to be done soon
20:05 celeron55 doing something that the client dictates is a lot simpler
20:06 celeron55 no need to sandbox anything or transfer anything
20:06 artur99 who is the admin on translate.minetest.ru ?
20:06 celeron55 artur99: xyz
20:06 artur99 k, thx
20:06 Fresh_meat_ that would be quite usefull too for regression testing I think
20:06 sapier celeron55: true but it'd be double work if this wouldn't be done in a way for it to be reused
20:08 Fresh_meat_ come to think of it : would it be feasible to add another input system on the client who could send fake input commands ?
20:09 Fresh_meat_ so it could read a script file or something
20:09 sfan5 this is what I mean
20:09 sfan5 a simple lua script that provides all InputHandler methods
20:10 sapier nope
20:10 sfan5 that would be easy to do and would not waste time, because that is likely not that reuseable
20:10 sapier as you already said that code would be absolutely useless for other things and it's still some work
20:11 sapier if someone really wants to do a dirty hack I suggest some sort of batch operation
20:12 proller something intresting here -  https://github.com/Omnistudent/​mtclient/tree/clienteer/src/ai
20:14 Fresh_meat_ ok thanks guys
20:15 Fresh_meat_ I will have a look but I fear it is a little too big for me
20:15 Fresh_meat_ anyway, keep the good work, I love to see more commit each time I update my minetest-git package
20:18 Fresh_meat_ how and you should implement a nudist beach biom ^^
20:18 sfan5 dat reference
20:18 sfan5 anyway
20:18 sfan5 I have time to burn, I'm going to implement what I said
20:19 sapier sfan5 can you please have the client side lua in mind?
20:19 sfan5 maybe
20:19 sapier you don't need to complete it just try to get code usable for it
20:19 sfan5 ok
20:21 sapier http://animalsmod.comuf.com/​downloads/Minetest-debug.apk added support for dpi dependent control size ... well I couldn't do a lot of testing as I don't have multiple devices
20:22 * sfan5 haz android device
20:22 sapier feedback is welcome
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20:26 CiaranG sapier: Is there a reason your #640 isn't merged?
20:26 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/640 -- add get_surface lua function by sapier
20:27 sapier doubts if it is still necessary
20:28 CiaranG Because it's somehow now fast to do that from lua, but it wasn't before?
20:28 sapier vmanip was suggested
20:29 CiaranG ok, interesting, thanks
20:29 sapier which isn't as fast as this variant but 640 isn't complete too
20:29 sapier for what I remember you can't specify what type of nodes you consider to be surface
20:30 CiaranG walkable or air is how it's implemented there currently
20:30 CiaranG or rather, not walkable, or air
20:31 sapier yes but sometimes you consider sea surface to be surface too
20:31 CiaranG Yeah
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20:32 sapier that's missing and I didn't have time/interest to fix it by now
20:33 CiaranG I also wanted a radius, rather than a specific node. (standing on the corner between 4 nodes, for example - so a radius of 1, which would consider it to be a surface if any of the covered nodes is)
20:33 sapier you see the current version is way to specific
20:33 sapier but you're welcome to use it as base for improvement
20:34 CiaranG Thanks, will do
20:34 sapier well if it's usefull to base uppon it
20:34 sapier if you feel some different aproach is better don't hesitate to drop the original variant
20:36 CiaranG I don't see anything wrong with it, aside from that it could be more flexible (and only in the two ways mentioned above)
20:49 sfan5 Fresh_meat_: done!
20:50 sfan5 took 32 mins
20:50 sfan5 https://github.com/sfan5/minetest/commit/​ebf5947cbf111177e7f06a5804abcd0ad00b6ca5
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20:53 sapier hmm are you sure this is very usefull for benchmarking?
20:54 sapier well at leasts it's deterministic
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20:57 sfan5 Fresh_meat_: use this file as base http://ix.io/b8g/lua and pass --lua-input <path to lua file>
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21:04 sfan5 PANIC: unprotected error in call to Lua API (stack overflow)
21:04 sfan5 oops :P
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22:59 Fresh_meat_ hey thanks
22:59 Fresh_meat_ I will try it tomorrow
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23:01 Fresh_meat_ sapier : well, yes. It's the way the phoronix test suit works
23:02 Fresh_meat_ I hope michael will be happy :)
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