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IRC log for #minetest-dev, 2013-11-19

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07:19 kahrl hmmmm: actually httpfetch is 'kind of' ready
07:19 kahrl see http://irc.minetest.ru/minet​est-dev/2013-11-04#i_3412316
07:21 kahrl a problem is that the serverlist part of it has not been tested much since the plan is to use async_events for that purpose
07:21 VanessaE kahrl: point of interest:  without http_fetch, I can pull data from my VPS at ~135 kB/sec.
07:22 VanessaE I have not tested it with, yet.
07:22 kahrl so if we want to fix the serverlist stall we'd have to merge async_events, not httpfetch (or test the serverlist part of httpfetch, merge that for 0.4.8, and replace it with the async_events variant for 0.4.9)
07:22 kahrl VanessaE: that is with curl though, right?
07:22 VanessaE yes
07:26 VanessaE without, Pilzadam says he was barely able to sustain 5 kB/sec :)
07:28 VanessaE foe the 0.4.9 milestone, I'd like to suggest caching all models and other media, client side, that isn't so now.
07:28 VanessaE for*
07:28 kahrl hey, that's better than a 9600 baud modem
07:28 VanessaE heh
07:29 kahrl all media is cached
07:29 kahrl the downloading code doesn't make a distinction between file types
07:29 VanessaE to me, "media" includes models also
07:29 kahrl well those are cached too
07:29 VanessaE no
07:29 VanessaE they aren't
07:30 kahrl what you're seeing is a loading bug
07:30 VanessaE someone of authority, also PA I think, has said they aren't being cached?
07:30 VanessaE interesting
07:30 kahrl I don't remember the details of the bug though
07:30 VanessaE no matter
07:31 VanessaE when either httpfetch or async goes in, that point will be moot :)
07:31 kahrl (there's no if (!string_ends_with(filename, ".x")) add_to_cache() in the downloading code)
07:32 kahrl well httpfetch yes, async_events doesn't have anything to do with it
07:32 VanessaE there's been the claim that async will fix that loading glich...somehow
07:32 VanessaE I don't remember the details either
07:32 kahrl huh
07:33 kahrl the bug happens when the client is already running... at that point the mainmenu lua stack has already been destroyed, async_events shouldn't be around anymore
07:34 kahrl unless I'm misunderstanding the design
07:34 VanessaE beats me - you already know more about it than I do :P
07:35 VanessaE ok, time to give my brain a rest.
07:35 VanessaE night.
07:35 kahrl night
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14:23 BlockMen i know we have a freeze, but does that affect fixes like this?  https://github.com/BlockMen/minetest/commi​t/0e6a184809c5d1c38963f5862930b8089f06fb7b
14:35 ShadowNinja BlockMen: Simple fixes are still ok. That looks good to me.
14:36 ShadowNinja (But can paths actually contain characters that need to be escaped?)
14:36 BlockMen ShadowNinja, "/". actually it loops through and says "cant open ....
14:39 BlockMen ShadowNinja, if you agree i gonna push it then
14:40 ShadowNinja BlockMen: That shouldn't cause any issues, maybe '\' though. If it works then I'm OK with it.
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16:38 PilzAdam I got another build failed e-mail from launchpad: https://launchpad.net/~minetestdevs/+ar​chive/daily-builds/+recipebuild/586611
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16:42 ShadowNinja I don't see how that build log is even remotely helpfull. Maybe Trusty has a bug?
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17:21 PilzAdam ShadowNinja, I havent looked at the log yet, Im just passing it into this channel
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17:24 sapier vanessa async doesn't do anything after mainmenu is destroyed for the moment
17:25 VanessaE sapier: ok, well someone (I forget who) seemed to be convinced that adding the async stuff would fix the load-order issue with some files coming off remote_media
17:25 sapier there are plans to add async support to scriptapi too but I need to fix the environment locking issues first, async wont be very helpfull without it
17:26 sapier no async is what it's name tells async things only :-) that's why there's no conflict to httpfetch too
17:27 VanessaE then httpfetch IS needed to fix that load order bug
17:28 sapier and I don't like the somehow async httpfetch addons as they are specific for downloading and can't be used for anything else ... while async is designed to be used for everything (once some basic core issues are fixed)
17:28 sapier while I am absolutely positive about the httpfetch core
17:29 sapier https://github.com/sapier/minetest​/tree/async_events_plus_httpfetch is async using httpfetch
17:30 sapier but I'm not 100% sure kahrl didn't fix things after I merged httpfetch
17:31 sapier see httpfetch as backend while async is frontend to scripting
17:36 VanessaE well either way there needs to be less hemming-and-hawing and more tuning-and-committing.  If the part of the code that is needed to fix this bug works properly and works well, wtf is the delay?
17:37 sapier what bug are we talking about?
17:38 VanessaE Certain people people kept hok me a tchynik about using remote_media.  ow that I use it on my servers, it revealed this out-of-order resource loading issue that causes clients to sometimes miss image files or models...and now no one wants to JUST FIX IT. :P
17:38 VanessaE now*
17:39 sapier ohh that one :-)
17:41 sapier OldCoder I found your nil deserialization, you can ignore it it's a initializer trying to initialize with nil fixing a invalid initialization after that
17:42 VanessaE (insert random "Yo Dawg..." meme here)
17:47 sapier :-) I know this doesn't help but I guess that bug doesn't happen enough often
17:47 sapier btw when is release planed to be?
17:47 VanessaE it happens on probably any server out there that uses remote media.
17:48 VanessaE no idea
17:49 PilzAdam sapier, next weekend?
17:49 sapier ok wasn't sure remembered something about tuesday
17:50 celeron55 launchpad... blah
17:51 celeron55 debian has changed something in something related to packaging and then there's that obscure debian-specific issue "native package version may not have a revision" in it
17:51 celeron55 i have no way of knowing what "native package version" means and neither do i have any idea why it shouldn't have a revision and i don't have any clue how it's supposed to be done differently
17:52 celeron55 i could remove {revno} from it, but i don't know what the consequences from it are
17:53 celeron55 this is why i don't want to do anything distro-specific in minetest...
17:53 celeron55 they think everybody in the world know their internal things
17:53 celeron55 it's plain stupid
17:54 OldCoder sapier, so any fix would be cosmetic?
17:54 sapier yes
17:55 OldCoder sapier, Thank you. My mindset is such that I prefer to fix things; I may look for a cosmetic fix.
17:55 OldCoder sapier, thanks for (1) this information (2) the cows setting change (3) the information about the load time lockup
17:55 OldCoder You have been most helpful
17:56 celeron55 apparently "native package" means something like a package that is used only in debian
17:56 * OldCoder will test related to load time lockup and looks forward to a fix for that
17:56 celeron55 but this for sure isn't that
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18:05 celeron55 http://i.imgur.com/xbNvRPY.png
18:05 celeron55 yeah no thanks, trying to understand this is an absolute waste of time
18:06 celeron55 someone go drag into here some creature that understands something about debian packaging and launchpad
18:07 celeron55 those probably live in deep rocky and muddy holes
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18:10 OldCoder celeron55, I am pleased to see that you are in a better mood than usual. BTW I cannot core dev ATM but hope to do so as things proceed.
18:11 OldCoder celeron55, I am sure that the "creatures" from muddy holes will be pleased to come. I will ask around.
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18:20 sapier "but static data doesn't actually exist in (4,-2,-41)" shouldn't those things be fixed with the object duplication fixes?
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