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IRC log for #minetest, 2024-08-05

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12:49 MTDiscord <zanderong> minetest irc
12:50 ireallyhateirc yes.
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13:47 MTDiscord <zanderong> yes.
13:47 MTDiscord <zanderong> @ireallyhateirc crazy username tbh
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14:16 stephan48 i set time_change=0 but i can't seem to change the time to day with /time 1200 - what am I doing wrong? it just changes the sky box
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16:02 MTDiscord <theidealist> I mean 1200 would be 1:12 in the morning
16:02 MTDiscord <theidealist> I usually /time 6000 to make it day
16:04 stephan48 thanks!
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18:17 ireallyhateirc is base64 reproducible?
18:25 Krock ireallyhateirc: what would you like to do with it?
18:26 ireallyhateirc I'm encoding node position like this: minetest.encode_base64(pos.x..";"..pos.y..";"..pos.z)
18:26 ireallyhateirc and yeah, I know minetest.hash_node_position exists
18:28 ireallyhateirc but printing hashes for nodes that are close to each other in console gives visually the same results
18:29 ireallyhateirc and so base64 gives more visually distinct results and makes debugging easier
18:43 Krock interesting
18:44 Krock except that it does not work well
18:44 Krock like comparing the values is very difficult
18:44 Krock but you can reverse it. that's the purpose of base64.
18:45 ireallyhateirc what do you mean by "compare"? All I need them to do is to identify a node
18:46 ireallyhateirc so it fits my use case as long as base64 always produces the same hash for the same input data
18:46 sfan5 base64 is not a hash
18:46 ireallyhateirc whatever it is then
18:47 sfan5 an encoding
18:48 Krock hashes convert byte arrays to a number that is rather unlikely to collide with a byte array that is off by 1
18:48 MTDiscord <luatic> we should probably rename minetest.hash_node_position and its inverse btw because it's an encoding too
18:48 MTDiscord <luatic> (of course keeping the old ones as aliases)
18:49 Krock hmm. you can use it for hashing too. it's a number that you can easily work with
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19:45 Krock @josiah_wi Laptops provided by the workplace are interesting. They can tell you how close the IT department is to you.
19:46 Krock e.g. full-sized laptop keyboards for accounting-related jobs, or ethernet ports for engineering. Too bad both might get removed for cost reasons and to "unify" the equipment at the cost of annoying specialized users
19:47 Krock this didn't fit into -dev and neither does it fit well here. I needed a place to complain :3
19:47 stephan48 "how close" aka how performative the IT department is about individual requirements aka knowing and propperly handling different usecases people have?
19:48 MTDiscord <luatic> Krock: #minetest-rant?
19:48 Krock stephan48: pretty much, yes.
19:48 Krock @luatic opened the channel. join.
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19:48 stephan48 on irc?
19:49 Krock on irc
19:49 Krock (the join request wasn't meant serious)
19:49 stephan48 someone could just kick the discord bot and make all of these discordians join irc! muhahaha
19:49 MTDiscord <luatic> i was already about to join on IRC lol
19:50 MTDiscord <luatic> installing hexchat (thunderbird ceased working it seems)
19:50 Krock stephan48: relevant https://web.archive.org/web/20230708163507/http://bash.org/?178890
19:50 Krock (bot kicked by another bot)
19:50 stephan48 yup!
19:51 stephan48 comedy gold
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19:51 MinetestBot luatic: Aug-16 14:54 UTC <independent56> Thank you for your nuanced response on the topic of bundling. Would it have any effect on clients when connected to servers? With HTML, bundling means just one get request; index.html, instead of going "Oh i need mainmenu.png! styles.css! index.html!" boom boom boom. Does this translate to MInetest at all? Would download times be
19:51 luatic ah yes
19:51 stephan48 and thats why just plain word detection never works out. you need context
19:51 stephan48 welcome to the good side, luatic!
19:52 luatic (:
19:52 Krock BuckarooBanzai: sorry typo
19:52 stephan48 at work that is google cloud, I always say we have the unproblematic kind of cookies(as we don't have user cookies and thus don't need to manage consent).. the bad side is the webshop side on AWS who have to fight cookies and user consent and so on and so forth :D webshop people glare at me!
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23:45 * mtvisitor will also review minetest engine (v5.9) release notes (changelogs) and v5.10's project scope (document).
23:46 mtvisitor minetest project(s) is not a big tree in the garden. thanks.

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