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MinetestBot |
[git] sfan5 -> minetest/minetest: Create CACHEDIR.TAG in path_cache (#14458) d5d6e36 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/d5d6e36ae0790c5e6b6e896ee04726ae5d6cda09 (2024-03-15T10:24:08Z) |
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mtvisitor |
!up joesworld.zapto.org:30001 |
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MinetestBot |
joesworld.zapto.org:30001 is up (29ms) (IPv4) |
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mtvisitor |
!up wunderwelt.one:30000 |
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wunderwelt.one:30000 is up (13ms) (IPv4) |
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Chronos |
Could someone please refresh my memory: What was the website that had Minetest running in the browser/wasm? I failed to bookmark it, like a huge dope. |
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MTDiscord |
<rollerozxa> https://minetest.dustlabs.io/ |
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MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> iirc minetest.dustlabs.io |
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Chronos |
Thank you rollerozxa and wsor4035! :) |
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MTDiscord |
<rollerozxa> 😁 |
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neko2 |
heya all... decided to try minetest on a newer smartphone after a while of not playing it and discovered the rather unfortunate change to sdcard permissions handling... the hitch I have being that /sdcard/Android/data can't just be snooped around in by any app, at least not on my pixel 4a on android 13... is there any established solution for sideloading one's own *locally developed* mods without having |
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neko2 |
to go via the content DB thing? |
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MTDiscord |
<warr1024> I don't know if there are other ways, but you could host your own CDB instance and change the client config to point to that. |
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ROllerozxa_ |
there is a workaround for android 12 and lower that some file managers support, but if that method doesn't work you'll have to use ADB |
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MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> see the forums, there is a guide using some app called total defender or something? |
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ROllerozxa_ |
total commander :P |
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ROllerozxa_ |
https://wiki.minetest.net/Accessing_Android_Data_Directory |
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MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> . s/defender/commander |
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ROllerozxa |
apparently the system's file manager should be able to access it on any version but YMMV |
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ROllerozxa |
a lot on android varies wildly depending on how your much the manufacturer has mutilated the OS. google pixels have clean stock android but it also means there aren't much mistakes the manufacturer have made that you can exploit to get more control over your own device |
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ROllerozxa |
(I've heard that for some manufacturers with heavily customised android OSes the "total commander workaround" works even on android >12) |
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neko2 |
ROllerozxa: unfortunately on the pixel that app is google's files app which I disabled immediately because it had been severely dumbed down... although perhaps it'd work for the "let me into the secret folder damnit" |
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neko2 |
also no way in hell I was gonna sign in to google |
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neko2 |
... oh, nope even that claims /sdcard/Android/data is empty |
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neko2 |
also, is total commander google play only? (it seems annoying that I'd need a play store app to work around a restriction that said play store was enforcing... also that also wouldn't be happening in my case) |
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MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> its not a play store restriction, but an android security thing |
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neko2 |
I had read somewhere there was an older API one could use but the play store rejects apps that use it. |
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neko2 |
... though tbh I've already forgotten because my brain is just fizzing around at this point, this really is rather crippling for how I (used to) use minetest on android... ugh screw you google |
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neko2 |
(and they wonder why android isn't used for productivity. </vent>) |
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ROllerozxa |
toy OS for toy phones |
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MTDiscord |
<warr1024> If you're that against Google that you're disabling a bunch of their crap anyway ... you might just look into a custom ROM entirely. |
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ROllerozxa |
yeah I was gonna say. pixel phones have a great selection of high quality custom ROMs that you can have more control over |
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neko2 |
idk, I'm not into roms that "just" disable android's overbearing security without a proper solution. I have a feeling I've met with a consequence of the fundamental OS design in recent versions. |
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MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> iirc lineage/graphene os is popular these days |
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ROllerozxa |
I've read that apparently an app can create a DocumentProvider which should be able to expose their scoped app storage to file managers in a proper manner. I read it on some dolphin-emu blog article but minetest hasn't implemented it yet |
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neko2 |
that would be neat, it'd let me edit mods in place without having to do an edit-copy loop which would still get annoying even with some super file manager (because e.g. a text editor probably won't have such powers) |
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neko2 |
apparently at the moment gone are the days when I could make a mod on my phone with the right apps to edit code and draw pixel art PNGs... on a plane with nothing better to do lol |
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ROllerozxa |
yeah. copying that code from dolphin-emu would be nice but I'm unsure if MPLv2 is compatible with LGPLv2.1.... |
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MTDiscord |
<warr1024> Android is trying to compete against iPhone, and in a way, focusing on a user experience where the user is NOT a developer makes more sense for that. If you're looking for a good developer experience to develop ON the platform (not just FOR it) then phones, tablets, and other "consumer" devices just aren't designed for you and you have to dig into some custom spaces... |
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neko2 |
I've yet to find a device that is really "smartphone-like power in your pocket which is less locked down" alas. believe me I've looked |
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neko2 |
if I had one I'd tinker in public all the time |
| 20:20 |
neko2 |
my brain is thinking "welp time to put minetest on the steam deck" although that requires some big pockets x) |
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neko2 |
(not to mention keyboard problems™) |
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MTDiscord |
<warr1024> It does work well on the steam deck, I hear. |
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MTDiscord |
<warr1024> dunno about the developer workflow. |
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neko2 |
the dev workflow in game mode would almost certainly suck posterior, desktop mode might be slightly more bearable. the touchscreen keyboard would be a constant pain however so don't even try coding on that (I've tried that too very briefly for a battery settings script) |
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neko2 |
hm. if someone made a modern 10" netbook with one of those new intel N300/N305 chips... at least it'd have a keyboard. and it'd still run minetest just fine I'm sure |
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neko2 |
actually. pinephone. now there's an idea |
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neko2 |
... oh, thank *you* TheBrokenRail (PR 10729) |
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neko2 |
someone had the same idea |
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Mantar |
MPL code can be folded into GPL projects, mozilla has a page on it |
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Mantar |
here we go:https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/MPL/2.0/combining-mpl-and-gpl/ |
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