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IRC log for #minetest, 2023-04-30

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02:44 Blockhead256[m] steve: why do we need easter eggs in builtin, which should be the most transparent, boring thing?
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05:04 muurkha Blockhead256[m]: my wife saw the easter-egg error message in GCC when you try to declare a variable `long long long` and was delighted
05:05 muurkha that kind of thing is a real motivator when you're learning a difficult technical topic
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14:33 Stacks64_is_sorr I'm sorry. I only wabted to tell you guys something: I actually never trolled. It was all my little brother, who likes getting me banned from everywhere because of mojang banning him from multiplayer becaise of swearing. If I was the one trolling, there would be random sh!t on weird languages, not rickrolls. He logged in with my account, and
14:33 Stacks64_is_sorr because of him I got banned from all other forums I've been on.
14:33 Stacks64_is_sorr Sorry.
14:34 Stacks64_is_sorr *wanted
14:34 Stacks64_is_sorr Dammit...
14:35 Stacks64_is_sorr *swearing. Why do I always have so many typos...
14:35 Stacks64_is_sorr Oops wanted to say because
14:37 steve[m]1 <Blockhead256[m]> "steve: why do we need easter..." <- i mean _you_ dont need them. im just adding them to a personal fork i am making. kinda makes learning the lua a bit more fun IMO.
14:37 Stacks64_is_sorr I'll try to avoid him getting into my account next time.
14:39 ROllerozxa Stacks64_is_sorr: your posting history on the forums in general was very spammy and could be perceived as trollish
14:39 Stacks64_is_sorr Wish you guys unban me. If he gets into my account again, please, delete it, as well as unbanMePlz.
14:41 Stacks64_is_sorr If I spam, I already explained it, literally everything I don't say irl because of me being so shy, I say it on the internet, as I feel safer because no one is looking at my face but at my posts.
14:42 Stacks64_is_sorr I'm so sorry because of this happening...
14:43 Stacks64_is_sorr My brother even got me banned from *MY OWN SERVER*
14:47 Stacks64_is_sorr If it wasn't because of me being unable to hurt anyone who has difficulty set to peaceful to not kill any mob, he would already be dead by now. I hate him. (Actually the difficulty part not anymore because I can't play minecraft anymore xd)
14:48 Stacks64_is_sorr meant to add an and between the anyone and the who...
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14:50 ROllerozxa forums are not really well suited as an instant messaging medium or chatroom, treating it as such is bound to get you in trouble anywhere
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14:52 Stacks64_is_sorr I just wanna be able to talk and make friends... When my account got hacked I lost all of them. Gone forever... I can't take this anymore. Why was he born... he used to be nice until he got chat reported. Since then he does nothing but ruining my life.
14:56 Stacks64_is_sorr If you unban me, I'll let everyone say what they think about me, even if they think I'm a bad person and they hate me. I don't care about my reputation, I care about never being alone again. Not my fault if you think I'm a spammer. Just trying to be myself.
14:57 Stacks64_is_sorr I'm sorry, guys.
15:02 ROllerozxa ūü§∑
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15:05 Stacks64_is_sorr Whoops accidentally logged out
15:07 ROllerozxa well now that you're on IRC you're gonna be able to talk and make friends
15:07 Stacks64_is_sorr thx
15:08 Stacks64_is_sorr Hrmmmmmm...
15:08 Stacks64_is_sorr How do I enter another room...
15:08 Desour Stacks64_is_sorr: it's your responsibility to keep others from logging in to your account. if you leaked your password, or chose a weak one, that's your fault
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15:16 Stacks64_is_sorr Hello?
15:16 ROllerozxa Stacks64_is_sorr: there's the /j command, followed with the channel name. though you'd probably want to use whatever channel list viewer you have in your IRC client to browse through the channels that are available on here
15:18 Stacks64_is_sorr I'm using kiwiIRC and idk if it has that option I'm new here
15:20 Stacks64_is_sorr Btw how do I cusromize my profile?
15:21 Warr1024 You should definitely consider running something like a local client or a bouncer to stay online all the time if you want to get serious about IRC.  Otherwise you can't interact with people whose schedules don't line up with when you're online.
15:22 Warr1024 Also, if you share a computer and especially login account with your brother, that's something you better fix soon...
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15:25 Stacks64_is_sorr I use mobile, and when he's not looking I hide my phone, each day on a different place. But he always finds it. If this was minecraft, I'd say he's using some x-ray texture pack, but this isn't any of my worlds. This is real life.
15:27 calcul0n that's why we invented passwords
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15:27 appguru Stacks64_is_sorr: who is he? your brother?
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15:28 ROllerozxa on kiwiIRC you press the libera.chat "channel" and then the channels tab
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15:28 ROllerozxa though I'd recommend a local IRC client too if you're able to install one, for mobile I use revolution IRC: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=io.mrarm.irc
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15:28 Stacks64_is_sorr Idk how he does it. This makes no sense, is he superman or wtf is happening???
15:29 ROllerozxa psychic powers, perhaps
15:29 appguru you probably don't have enough hiding spots, allowing "him" to perform a (literal) full table scan
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15:30 appguru btw if this something a smartphone there might be simple mechanisms to locate it (such as calling it, or "find my phone" features)
15:30 appguru Why won't passwords work for you?
15:31 appguru AFAIK phones allow you to set up multiple accounts with different PINs / passwords.
15:32 ROllerozxa some phones allow multiple accounts, yeah
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15:33 ROllerozxa but you maybe should also try incognito mode in the web browser, to not stay logged into your accounts so your brother can get into them
15:46 Stacks64_is_sorr Wait... What if I convince him to move to a country with no internet? (Stop assuming I'm referring to north korea, even if I hate him that place is too much for him, it's literal hell. North korea is a prison where once you enter, you only exit in a pine box Source: I once met someone who went there.)
15:49 Stacks64_is_sorr I'm talking about getting him to live in africa, where many countries don't have intetnet. Then... he wouldn't be able to login into my account, because there's no wifi, mobile data or anything!
15:50 Stacks64_is_sorr And he would try the food, which in my opinion is delicious and really worth it
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15:52 Warr1024 You wouldn't happen to share a brain with this brother would you?  That's the only explanation for how someone could so consistently defeat the kind of security that routinely gives even state-level actors some headaches.  Unless you're just not setting passwords on anything ... in which case, frankly that alone should be bannable.
15:52 Stacks64_is_sorr We'd both win: I get to not get banned again and he gets to try new things, which, as I know him really well, I know he really loves that
15:52 Warr1024 A grossly undersecured account is basically tantamount to running an open proxy, and a lot of services routinely automatically block those.
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16:05 Stacks64_is_sorr Wait... I could just kick him out of my house, after all, technically he lives in my parents' house, even if he lives inside mine...
16:05 Stacks64_is_sorr I'm so stupid...
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16:21 MinetestBot [git] Desour -> minetest/minetest: Release invlist resizelock while doing the recursive callback in move… bec9c68 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/bec9c68bf3d101b1533edd7f1fef03f5995c6148 (2023-04-30T16:20:48Z)
16:25 Stacks64_is_sorr Bye
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19:40 fluxionary does anyone else consider it a bug that a mod will fail to load if one of its *optional* dependencies fails to load?
19:41 Krock duplicate
19:42 Krock it's already known that optional dependencies can convert into hard dependencies under certain circumstances
19:43 fluxionary hm, i'm not finding an issue, i'll search harder
19:44 fluxionary the situation is "A optionally depends on B. B depends on C. C is not present so B can't load, but now neither can A"
19:44 rubenwardy fluxionary: this is expected, you'll need to disable B
19:45 rubenwardy Minetest no longer disables mods implicitly, you'll need to disable them yourself
19:45 fluxionary rubenwardy: why is it expected, i don't expect it
19:45 rubenwardy from 5.7.0, you'll get a load error rather than A and B implicitly disabling themselves
19:46 fluxionary right, i did notice that, that's certainly an improvement
19:46 rubenwardy anyway, the issue you're talking about is https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/8601
19:46 rubenwardy !title
19:46 MinetestBot No title found.
19:46 rubenwardy #8601
19:46 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/8601 -- Optional dependencies being overridden/turned into hard dependencies
19:46 rubenwardy which was fixed by #12217
19:46 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/12217 -- Prevent loading a world with unresolved dependencies
19:47 fluxionary i suppose i was helping someone debug an issue w/ a 5.6.1 server
19:48 fluxionary but even in 5.7.0, you can get a huge amount of spurious mods listed as failing to load because of missing dependencies which aren't hard dependencies
19:48 rubenwardy (All "optional" means is that if mod B is not enabled, then mod A will still work. In your case mod A and B are both enabled, the dependency algorithm doesn't make any other distinction between optional and required)
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19:52 rubenwardy yeah the error messages could be better
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20:54 steve[m]1 huh i guess my matrix is finally catching up. i am just now getting the Stacks64's conversation. thats weird.
20:56 MTDiscord <Jonathon> if your using the matrix default bridge to libera its perf ranges from okish to bad. self hosted ones typically do better
21:02 steve[m]1 oh well. might as well keep using the IRC instead. bye.
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21:04 Peter_Lankton i was steve on matrix. @Jonathon i do use a self hosted matrix server but the firewall might have been messing with it.
21:05 Peter_Lankton i didnt even see your message until i checked the irc log page.
21:05 MTDiscord <Jonathon> im aware on the first bit, figured the second one since i didnt see you in the regular minetest matrix room that relays here
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21:13 Peter_Lankton well i was using the libera chat matrix irc bridge. pretty much did just to send 1 image.
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22:07 muurkha minetest is on the front page of Character Assassination News again: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35766570
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22:21 Stacks64_is_sorr Heyyyy I have great news!
22:22 Stacks64_is_sorr I finally convinced my brother to stop
22:22 Stacks64_is_sorr Bothering me
22:22 Stacks64_is_sorr (Sorry accidentally pressed enter)
22:24 Stacks64_is_sorr Btw how do I change my username on kiwiIRC?
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22:33 Stacks64_is_sorr Oopsie logged out again :p
22:34 Stacks64_is_sorr Wtf why is there an emoji
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22:38 Stacks64_is_sorr Bro why do I always log out when trying to see who's online?
22:44 Stacks64_is_sorr Whatever I'm gonna rename myself
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22:50 Stacks64 Hello just changed my na
22:51 Stacks64 Name
22:51 Stacks64 Dammit
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23:08 Stacks64_is_sorr Trying to figure out accounts here lmao
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23:12 Stacks64 Is there any offtopic channel?
23:12 Stacks64 Hello?
23:21 Stacks64 Finally figured nicknames out!
23:22 Stacks64 That was just an experiment, as you just saw.
23:35 muurkha so how do you like minetest?
23:35 muurkha what are your favorite mods?
23:35 Stacks64 Tried to download minetest many times.
23:35 Stacks64 It failed.
23:36 muurkha how come?
23:36 Stacks64 That's why the download error topic on the forum exists... I created it because of that.
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23:42 Stacks64 Oopsie logged out
23:43 Stacks64 But... HOW
23:43 Stacks64 I just went to my browser settings!
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23:56 Stacks64 Bye I gotta poop xd
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23:59 rubenwardy no one cares, please avoid oversharing. This isn't somewhere for you to share streams of consciousness
23:59 Stacks64 I'm gonna change client.

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