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09:04 MTDiscord <Bastrabun> Stupid question: How does stuff like this happen? ERROR: StaticObjectList::insert(): id already exists
09:05 MTDiscord <Bastrabun> Minetest_live/src/staticobject.h:3f: void StaticObjectList::insert(irr::u16, const StaticObject&): A fatal error occurred: StaticObjectList::insert()
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09:19 sfan5 ?
09:22 MTDiscord <ROllerozxa> most likely, a bug. but you probably already know that
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09:47 MTDiscord <Bastrabun> Heh ? Question is, should I report it somewhere is someone interested in that thing? If not, I'll go with sfan5's assessment: ?
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10:17 MTDiscord <luatic> How can one join the Minetest-Mods GitHub organization to add resurrected mods?
10:18 MTDiscord <luatic> https://github.com/minetest-mods/minetest-mods.github.io/issues was what I went with last time
10:19 sfan5 I have admin in the org but IIRC there were some guidelines for mods to be accepted or idk
10:20 sfan5 if you want me to look at something ping me
10:20 MTDiscord <luatic> https://github.com/minetest-mods/minetest-mods.github.io/issues/123
10:26 MTDiscord <luatic> sfan5: ^
10:28 sfan5 yes I saw
10:28 sfan5 will check later
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11:53 kilbith GTA VI leaked btw
11:54 kilbith https://www.reddit.com/r/GTA/comments/xhkc8o/gta_6_a_sorted_list_of_the_90_videos_allegedly/
12:11 rubenwardy I like all the debug UI. It's interesting to try and work out what's going on
12:11 kilbith interesting that Rockstar uses ImGui for their editor
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12:21 kilbith https://twitter.com/videotech_/status/1571514138311942145?s=20&amp;t=topS5VzGpH08yW_7DwdXYg
12:21 kilbith they're going to hire a hitman to kill the hacker
12:22 kilbith they do have the source code also
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14:07 MTDiscord <MNH48> related: https://twitter.com/rockstargames/status/1571849091860029455
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14:55 mazes_84 Bastrabun: other day I saw you were profiling petz: did it get to something ?
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15:04 MTDiscord <Bastrabun> Actually yes, flux made an awesome tool to profile entities and also flux' PR resulted from poking at petz: https://github.com/runsy/petz/pull/112 Before, the list in question grew to a couple of tens of thosusands of records and was traversed each entity step - causing lag
15:05 fluxionary https://github.com/fluxionary/minetest-debuggery/blob/main/chatcommands/entity_lag_log.lua
15:05 fluxionary https://github.com/fluxionary/minetest-debuggery/blob/main/chatcommands/instrument_mod.lua
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15:07 galex-713 ok so weird
15:07 galex-713 i just rebooted in debian
15:07 galex-713 created new world
15:07 galex-713 now i have 45fps
15:07 galex-713 why???
15:08 mazes_84 how cool
15:08 mazes_84 I will try the PR locally
15:08 galex-713 and no
15:08 galex-713 *and now it uses only 200M of memory
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15:09 galex-713 i swear i just got fps 60 by dividing screen
15:09 galex-713 wtf
15:09 galex-713 mazes_84, what PR?
15:09 mazes_84 galex-713: just lookup: my question about petz
15:10 galex-713 oh ok, i haven’t joined yet
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15:11 mazes_84 fluxionary: I may take a try at minetest-debuggery
15:11 fluxionary i created that recently and put a bunch of ad-hoc tools in there. at some point i'll have to document it.
15:12 mazes_84 dive underwater without light: usual for minetest
15:12 galex-713 and 1G of memory if i join multiplayer
15:12 galex-713 how to explain that?
15:12 galex-713 the other day i was stuck at 4fps
15:12 galex-713 why???
15:13 fluxionary galex-713, multiplayer on which server? some servers use a *whole* lot of extra mods
15:14 galex-713 fluxionary, adventure time
15:14 mazes_84 galex-713: I have weird slowdowns when my computer uptimes are long, especially with low ram
15:14 galex-713 but the thing is that i got 4fps before
15:14 galex-713 ad now i got 35fps
15:14 galex-713 i have 8G ram
15:14 fluxionary ugh my backspace key just broke off O_O
15:15 fluxionary galex-713, FPS can depend a lot on the environment you're in. on some servers, the spawn area can have a huge number of entities and such that drop FPS hugely
15:16 fluxionary galex-713, lower your graphics settings, and in particular, drop draw distance in those areas
15:16 mazes_84 galex-713: what I'm speaking of is known bug, got to swapoff -a; swapon -a; to regain speed or to reboot, that what made me think it could be
15:16 galex-713 but the environment is *same*
15:16 galex-713 mazes_84, interesting
15:17 galex-713 fluxionary, i had voided .minetest hence config
15:17 fluxionary sure, but the default options aren't the lowest graphics settings
15:17 galex-713 ok now it’s dropping again
15:17 fluxionary https://gist.github.com/fluxionary/a764be6d0ff4ce934b7de666bdec2f43
15:17 galex-713 20fp
15:17 galex-713 *fps
15:18 galex-713 fluxionary, but this is unrelated to my issue: if i start the game, it get 60fps, and then i stand still, and slowly i get to 7fps
15:18 galex-713 for no reason
15:18 galex-713 since i stay in same environment
15:18 mazes_84 if the swapon thing takes forever, it may be this, else another thing. but it happens only after long uptime and/or heavy ram usage
15:18 galex-713 now 18fps
15:18 galex-713 keeps slowing
15:18 fluxionary galex-713, well, more and more of the map will continue to load even if you just stand still
15:18 galex-713 mazes_84, ok how uptime does that?
15:18 galex-713 fluxionary, is there a way to prevent that?
15:19 fluxionary galex-713, drop draw distance. hit the - key until it says "20"
15:19 mazes_84 not really uptime, more related to swapin
15:19 galex-713 fluxionary, it’s already there
15:19 mazes_84 tbut it seems different
15:19 fluxionary galex-713, hm... alright, so it's none of the usual things
15:19 fluxionary galex-713, what OS?
15:19 fluxionary oh you said debian
15:19 galex-713 fluxionary, debian rn
15:19 galex-713 last time, parabola
15:20 galex-713 but it had been reversed i think, so i don’t understand…
15:21 fluxionary galex-713, if i remember right, yesterday you said single-core CPU usage was also low?
15:21 galex-713 yes
15:21 galex-713 now it’s 70%
15:21 galex-713 idk why
15:21 galex-713 omg this is so weird
15:22 galex-713 tf it came back at 60fps
15:22 galex-713 woaaah everything is so beautiful at 60fps, i was not used anymore to see that
15:23 definitelya :D
15:24 galex-713 i keep feeling like this is a rare priviledge i’m being given temporarily by the god of randomness, and soon it will be bad again
15:24 fluxionary galex-713, sorry it's like that. i'm running out of ideas. see if anything comes out of perf top, perhaps? https://man7.org/linux/man-pages/man1/perf-top.1.html
15:30 galex-713 it’s a lot of info, idk what to say :/
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15:33 mazes_84 personally on weak pc I disable quite all shaders, do not use smooth lightning, active performance_tradeoff in settings, use low render distance
15:33 fluxionary galex-713, when it gets slow, check to see if there's anything in there about what minetest is doing. you can ignore anything non-minetest
15:36 galex-713 fluxionary, anything like what?
15:37 fluxionary in the output of perf top
15:39 fluxionary like for me, there's an line like "1.17%  minetest                                 [.] ClientMap::renderMap"
15:42 galex-713 oh ok
15:42 galex-713 like
15:42 galex-713 what function takes more time?
15:42 galex-713 that’s what it says?
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15:52 mazes_84 @BastRabun: already merged or integrated using slightly different approach
15:53 mazes_84 I like petz, but gosh resources and lag, maybe server crash for me
15:55 mazes_84 tested animalia, not convinced yet despite: less ressources for about 3 times more entity
15:56 mazes_84 and the killer behavior in animalia: birds grouped flights
15:58 mazes_84 if switch to something then mobs_animal, bit raw but really resources effective
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16:02 MTDiscord <Bastrabun> Maybe we should make a "customer wishlist", instead of waiting the techies come up with something ?
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16:14 sfan5 @Bastrabun bug reports gladly always but if you don't have a way to reproduce probably nobody can fix it
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16:20 galex-713 hi again
16:20 galex-713 here i am: i reached 7 fps again
16:20 galex-713 from 40fps to 7fps very fast, idk how
16:20 galex-713 i moved a lot
16:20 galex-713 still 60fps
16:20 galex-713 then 40fps
16:20 galex-713 i stopped moving, started going around
16:21 galex-713 then 7fps
16:21 galex-713 and perf top was saying nothing about minetest
16:21 galex-713 it said 20% of my cpu was busy wish sha256 decryption
16:22 definitelya Do you have other programs running? Try closing them and profile again.
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16:23 galex-713 4fps… T-T
16:23 galex-713 10% cpu
16:23 galex-713 omg everything like yesterday
16:23 galex-713 i closed many stuff
16:23 galex-713 closed tor deamon, closed every terminal, closed firefox
16:24 definitelya hmm you said you rebooted, so it's unlikely another program. Unless it's a program set to autostart. meh
16:24 galex-713 0,32%  libIrrlicht.so.1.8.4             [.] irr::video::COpenGLDriver::setRenderStates3DMode                                                                                                                  ▒
16:24 galex-713 what is that?
16:25 galex-713 is this really bad?    0,37%  minetest                         [.] Sky::draw_stars                                                                                                                                                   ▒
16:28 mazes_84 you said it's fresh install, no ?
16:32 galex-713 mazes_84, idk, what do you mean by fresh install?
16:32 galex-713 i several times deleted .minetest and .cache/minetest to see results and observed non
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16:33 galex-713 :/
16:37 mazes_84 no I mean for the OS
16:37 galex-713 so wdym by the OS?
16:37 galex-713 from what point is it a fresh install or not?
16:37 galex-713 personally, i would take that as soon as you install another non-default software (such as minetest) it’s non-fresh anymore, so i don’t see :/
16:38 galex-713 it’s even more tricky to know when did »fresh install« started, as i’ve installed using debootstrap…
16:39 mazes_84 so you can not test minetest on fresh install
16:39 mazes_84 tok
16:40 galex-713 wdym?
16:40 galex-713 i still don’t know what you mean
16:40 MTDiscord <ROllerozxa> testing the minetest
16:41 MTDiscord <MNH48> feels like you two are talking about different level of 'fresh install' -- one is talking about fresh install of OS while the other is talking about fresh install of minetest
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16:41 mazes_84 if when you install minetest the OS install is not fresh anymore ...
16:43 mazes_84 my distro is installed since 2006 I guess apart some tweak to config and kernel params when moving hardware nothing new
16:43 mazes_84 if it can enlighten what I mean by fresh
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16:46 galex-713 mazes_84, ig you updated linux, glibc, and X since then…
16:46 mazes_84 no ofc
16:47 galex-713 wat?
16:48 galex-713 hard to believe
16:48 mazes_84 it's totally unrelated to your current problem: focus on it rather than digging into the wall
16:48 galex-713 anyway, from what point *for you* is an install fresh?
16:48 mazes_84 dig the walls in minetest
16:48 galex-713 what does »dig into the wall« here?
16:48 galex-713 ok so if it’s unrelated, what should i do?
16:49 galex-713 idk you asked this so i try to answer…
16:49 galex-713 why i get 6fps with a 30ms drawtime
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16:50 galex-713 this too is a mystery
16:52 mazes_84 sometimes the info are not reliable: it is not uncommon to see 0FPS on one of my pc
16:52 galex-713 i see…
16:52 mazes_84 may be an I/O bottleneck, give a try at iotop
16:53 galex-713 oh right!
16:54 mazes_84 and also maybe at: free
16:58 galex-713 okok
16:58 galex-713 installing
17:01 mazes_84 Batrabun: wichlist for petz: make collision box larger so animal don't get stuck in fences or other nodeboxes
17:01 galex-713 Mem:         7781672     4054816      142772      303612     3584084     3115156
17:01 galex-713 swap:   16777212      260736    16516476
17:01 galex-713 and nothing in iotop
17:02 mazes_84 seems good
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17:03 mazes_84 what desktop do you use ?
17:03 definitelya Ubuntuwu?
17:03 galex-713 i3
17:03 mazes_84 maybe some of those with fancy things eating gpu resources
17:03 mazes_84 ok i3 is perfect
17:04 definitelya Nice
17:04 mazes_84 not awesome but still perfect
17:05 galex-713 and intel_gpu_top gives me 240 irq/s and 100% gpu usage
17:05 galex-713 mazes_84, what is awesome? awesome itself? x)
17:06 mazes_84 awesome is like i3, but easy when coming to multiple output
17:06 galex-713 *irqs
17:07 galex-713 i3 is said to be easy too
17:07 galex-713 i never had problems
17:07 mazes_84 so you identified the bottleneck
17:07 galex-713 what is the bottleneck?
17:07 mazes_84 gpu
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17:08 galex-713 ok
17:08 galex-713 so
17:08 galex-713 what would be the answer then?
17:08 mazes_84 did you already disabled most shaders ?
17:08 galex-713 why was i getting 60fps earlier?
17:08 galex-713 yes
17:08 galex-713 all of them
17:08 galex-713 i did all like in the link on github
17:09 mazes_84 which is ?
17:09 galex-713 but one thing (performance_tradeoffs was absent as a parameter)
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17:09 mazes_84 I missed this
17:09 galex-713 uh let me reopen firefox
17:09 mazes_84 it does not change the deal so much (idk what it does really)
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17:11 galex-713 mazes_84, https://gist.github.com/fluxionary/a764be6d0ff4ce934b7de666bdec2f43
17:11 galex-713 mazes_84, ik, i gained 10fps, but i didn’t double it
17:11 galex-713 well no
17:11 galex-713 i didn’t gain in multiplayer
17:11 mazes_84 from what I see from free: Mem: 7781672 seems to be like you assigned 256Mo to igpu ?
17:11 galex-713 but singleplayer went from 15fps to 25fps
17:12 galex-713 how did i do that?
17:13 mazes_84 bios setting if there is
17:13 galex-713 what is igpu? compared to gpu
17:13 galex-713 i have no bios
17:13 galex-713 only libreboot
17:13 MTDiscord <ROllerozxa> igpu is a gpu made by apple 8)
17:13 mazes_84 bios/uefi idk but you have
17:13 MTDiscord <ROllerozxa> jk jk, integrated gpu, usually one which comes on your motherboard or processor
17:14 galex-713 mazes_84, neither, only libreboot
17:14 galex-713 MTDiscord, aaaaah i915! yes!
17:14 galex-713 okok
17:14 mazes_84 you may try to assign more memory to your gpu (i just means it is shipped in cpu)
17:15 galex-713 idk how such thing is assigned, i did nothing about that
17:15 galex-713 mazes_84, how to do that?
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17:15 definitelya ROller: iKnewit
17:15 galex-713 lol
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17:16 mazes_84 oh I was late, there was a hand up before
17:19 mazes_84 ok libreboot, but that's still a bios even if not proprietary
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17:21 mazes_84 you still should be able to change memory affected to gpu from this (idk this so can't help)
17:25 mazes_84 seems nice even supported hardware limited, very nice to see something like this
17:30 galex-713 afaik no, libreboot doesn’t contain a bios, it *can* contain a bios (like seabios) but most of the time doesn’t, because linux use something more modern that’s provided by both bios and uefi otherwise, but which isn’t bios or uefi
17:30 galex-713 mazes_84, how do i change that tho? idk :/
17:32 galex-713 mazes_84, what in the number makes you believe 256M is assigned that way?
17:32 mazes_84 bios: basic input output system: no matter of the constructor
17:32 galex-713 i know
17:32 galex-713 but they told me bios is implemented by SeaBIOS only
17:32 galex-713 and is only needed by some very old baremetal kernels and by windows
17:33 mazes_84 that's different consideration
17:33 galex-713 so for instance, you need to chainload SeaBIOS to boot windows
17:33 galex-713 but you don’t to boot linux
17:33 mazes_84 i don't care about those
17:33 galex-713 they told me SeaBIOS is the bios, not coreboot, coreboot does only initialization, not input/output, afaik
17:33 galex-713 well you talked about bios
17:34 mazes_84 i don't speak about brand/vendor but about what it means
17:34 mazes_84 why do you always want to dig the wall
17:35 mazes_84 at beginning I thought you really had a problem
17:35 mazes_84 but I guess it's different kind
17:35 galex-713 nobody talked about brand/vendor tho
17:35 galex-713 what does dig the wall mean?
17:35 galex-713 i do have a problem
17:36 galex-713 fps drops from 60fps to 4fps and idk why
17:36 mazes_84 then focus on it
17:36 galex-713 i want to know why to reverse that
17:36 galex-713 i *am* focused, but i have no idea of what can it be
17:36 galex-713 so i ask
17:36 galex-713 but even focusing, nobody knows(
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18:05 mazes_84 fluxionary /memory require unknown priv (staff), idk were it is supposed to be registered from, but I changed it to server locally
18:06 fluxionary you're right, it should default to server
18:06 fluxionary staff is specific for your-land
18:07 fluxionary actually there's code to create the priv if it doesn't exist, i just forgot to link it
18:08 mazes_84 the instrumentation is nice, sadly it works only for globals (how could it be else?)
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18:09 MTDiscord <FatalError> Hey, I have a question, if anybody knows let me know.  If I break up a long raycast into chunks (in this case for bullet drop), for example; a 100 meter long ray into 50 or so rays, each spanning 2 blocks... how bad wi it be compared to the first ray
18:09 MTDiscord <FatalError> Are there tools to check for the lag this can produce?
18:10 mazes_84 it still makes me think I should use those kind of tools bit more (LMD kit also)
18:13 fluxionary mazes: well, it could have worked through lua's introspection, but that's removed for security reasons e.g. https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/8707
18:17 rubenwardy you can use an insecure env to get it
18:18 fluxionary that's a good point
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18:31 definitelya When will the code sections in dev.minetest.net be fixed? Trying to read examples is futile rn. e.g. https://dev.minetest.net/Lua_code_style_guidelines
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18:49 Krock definitelya: I'm on it
18:49 Krock although it's strange that this doesn't work any more
18:49 Krock celeron55: might it be possible that <source> was added by a MediaWiki plugin that went lost during an update, or something?
18:51 definitelya Krock: Thank you!
18:51 Krock I'll update it after it's clear whether this isn't some sort of upgrade issue
18:52 Krock the article source should show you the correct line breaks
18:53 mazes_84 fluxionary: 30% cpu call gained, my bad, I can't believe I didn't see it
18:55 mazes_84 n°2 though is the point I already planned to look at
18:55 fluxionary mazes_84: you mean from the /inspect_mod command? yeah it has quite an overhead
18:56 mazes_84 no I mean using it I gained 30% on the thing I work on
18:56 fluxionary oh i see, you were able to speed up your code. nice!
18:56 mazes_84 the overhead is not to be blamed. it's just there when testing
18:57 mazes_84 it was supposed to stop instrument for this one, but log still flood
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18:59 celeron55 Krock: i'll play around with this for a moment, beware the possible breakage of devwiki
18:59 Krock celeron55: thanks for having a look at it. but take your time. it's not something urgent :)
19:00 celeron55 eh... i think i fixed it
19:00 Krock surprise
19:00 Krock indeed, it does look good now
19:01 Krock it used to be syntax-highlighted in the past, but I don't think that's much of a concern
19:01 celeron55 i went through the config looking for any extensions i would have had issues with in the big upgrade and saw one being mysteriously commented out
19:01 celeron55 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:SyntaxHighlight
19:01 celeron55 it looks like the <source> tag is deprecated and <syntaxhighlight> should be used
19:01 Krock > In older versions (before MediaWiki 1.16), the extension used the tag ‎<source>. This is still supported, but is deprecated. ‎
19:01 celeron55 and i bet the arguments to that have changed also
19:02 celeron55 we're talking about 10 years of mediawiki upgrades here
19:02 Krock that's quite something
19:03 celeron55 one thing i think is permanently broken is the language selection, the way it was implemented doesn't seem to be supported anymore with or without extensions... or that's how it seems to me
19:03 celeron55 if you know better please tell
19:04 Krock ¯\_(ツ)_/¯  I never worked with MediaWiki
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19:22 definitelya It was quick-and-easy, luckily.
19:24 celeron55 a bit embarrassing not having done that earlier
19:24 celeron55 i guess i got annoyed with the language selector
19:25 definitelya :P
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20:17 Kimapr cheapie: i found a bug with digistuff movestones. they can't move in negative directions when using the relmove command (https://content.minetest.net/threads/3391/)
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20:58 sfan5 !op
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20:59 sfan5 !deop
21:03 sfan5 Minetest 5.6.1 has been released >> https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=18&amp;t=28703
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