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MinetestBot |
kilbith: Aug-01 22:51 UTC <wsor> congratulations |
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MinetestBot |
kilbith: Aug-01 23:11 UTC <wsor> it appears you missed bumping https://github.com/minetest-mods/i3/blob/main/mod.conf#L4 in your latest release |
| 10:35 |
kilbith |
so much misinformed people in the Discord server... (and yes, I read you) |
| 10:35 |
kilbith |
like the one who complains about it: https://github.com/minetest-mods/i3/blob/main/src/gui.lua#L11 |
| 10:36 |
kilbith |
if you could understand the Lua code well enough, you'd get that it's a syntactically concise way to obtain a bulk amount of variable localizations in a preprocessing context |
| 10:36 |
kilbith |
and no, a direct call here would require either a) verbose localizations cluterring the files or b) a global function call with an additional overhead |
| 10:36 |
kilbith |
i3 performs much better than unified_inventory for a reason |
| 10:37 |
kilbith |
oh well, I guess I should account that on their youth and their inexperience |
| 10:37 |
kilbith |
be aware that false collective beliefs are always spread upon someone's ignorance |
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kilbith |
s/upon/from; err... rusty english |
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celeron55 |
nice trick, doing preprocessing on lua before loading |
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celeron55 |
or, well, running |
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kilbith |
also, I often see people despising the proprietary nature of Kidscode but have I seen some recognition of the same company which gave them things like hypertext for free ? not at all. |
| 12:30 |
kilbith |
so stop being gossip assholes on this server and learn the word "gratitude" already |
| 12:30 |
kilbith |
no wonder why I'm not on it |
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MTDiscord |
<Jordach> you do make a point, paid developers are much more interested and motivated in making things |
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MTDiscord |
<Jordach> i swear people are money allergic |
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MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> >so much misinformed people in the Discord |
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MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> So much misinformed people on planet earth, platform irrelevant |
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kilbith |
I agree, but it's _precisely_ people like them making up the vaccine hoaxes |
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MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> What in the world does that have to do with anything |
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kilbith |
the misinformation spread, it has to do with that |
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kilbith |
it's quite simple to understand actually |
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MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> Quite simple indeed |
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Oblomov |
we need a vaccination against misinformation |
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mrkubax10 |
vaccines are misinformation |
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MTDiscord |
<Jordach> i want to dispute that but realised no he's kinda right |
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MTDiscord |
<Jordach> it's the wrong kind of viral genetic information |
| 14:56 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> kilbith: I've been there messing with Lua in all kinds of ways, including preprocessing my source files, and I've come to the conclusion that it's ultimately a bad idea |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> you lose out on a gigaton of Lua language support if your tweaking Lua too much |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> and your "IMPORT" is part of that: suddenly linters like luacheck have no idea what's going in with your variables |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> you took syntactic sugar to far yet not far enough; you didn't bother to write a proper preprocessor |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> you didn't bother with proper tokenization and parsing, otherwise you would have that "IMPORT" be a language feature |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> there even is a game for Minetest - Loria - written using a preprocessor, Fennel, and it seems to be working well |
| 14:58 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> but coming up with your own language also requires coming up with your own language support |
| 14:58 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> and you don't seem to have the time for that |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> so I say, stick to "conservative" Lua |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> also frankly your imports are stuffing everything in a file-local namespace which IMO is rather dirty |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> how are devs supposed to remember the diff. between S, ES, ESC, true_str, is_num etc. |
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MTDiscord |
<Jordach> too technically clever for it's own good |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> you made it too concise, kilbith |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> for once I agree with Jordach: keep it simple |
| 15:00 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> because that's what makes it maintainable |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> also BTW, you don't even have to mess with local variables and file gsubbing if you simply modify the environments |
| 15:01 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> been there, done that, was a pretty bad idea |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> because it got to complex and caused indexing chains I didn't expect |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> too* |
| 15:02 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> I'm now back to a simple way of messing with environments |
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MTDiscord |
<ROllerozxa> "and your "IMPORT" is part of that: suddenly linters like luacheck have no idea what's going in with your variables" have you seen the util/luacheck.lua script in i3 |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> heh, it just applies the same preprocessing |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> so in the end it's all a toy preprocessor |
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ball |
Can I build rocking chairs? It would be nice to have one outside every cottage where I can sit and wait for the sun to come up. |
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kilbith |
@luatic: this doesn't make any sense to bring a full-blown preprocessor with tokenization to a mod project, this'd be way too overkill; I've told you already that the internal ABI is for my own use and this mod has no vocation to be forked, or maintained by someone else |
| 19:51 |
kilbith |
yes, I agree, the preprocessor is not ideal for maintainability but the end-users don't give a shit about that; they care about whether the mod is stable, fast, feature-rich, good looking and intuitive as an Apple software |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> Of course the preprocessor would be external |
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kilbith |
this is exactly the reason why it's the top mod that get thousands of downloads per month, not the fucking preprocessor |
| 19:51 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> You could pick something like MoonScript |
| 19:51 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> Or roll your own |
| 19:52 |
kilbith |
honestly if I had the possibility to distribute it as a binary like Love2D allows to, I would |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> i3 honestly is lipstick on a pig called MT |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> but users do indeed love that |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> ¯_(ツ)_/¯ |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> I care more about code though |
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kilbith |
well I'd rather trying to turn the pig to horse rather than complaining |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> heh |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> I think it's easier to breed a new horse than to turn a pig into a horse |
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kilbith |
do you think that the Linux kernel was great in the nineties? |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> but your Camera API is looking superb so far |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> kilbith: I dunno, I'm not that familiar with it |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> and its history |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> i3 has a great user experience |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> the best TBH |
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kilbith |
that's what sells, remember that |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> if I were to write a preprocessor that provided you with your syntactical sugar in a cleaner way, would you use it :] |
| 19:56 |
kilbith |
if it's an external lib, probably not; there are already plenty of that |
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Noisytoot |
It only has a great user experience if you use the latest version of Minetest. |
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