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IRC log for #minetest, 2022-04-02

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07:37 MinetestBot [git] lhofhansl -> minetest/minetest_game: Adjust shadow intensity based on cloud density (#2938) 9528c0f https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/commit/9528c0f8b93d6934930e99c3c116df275fb0e4bc (2022-04-02T07:35:36Z)
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08:40 MinetestBot [git] x2048 -> minetest/minetest: Increase the ratio between shadow range and viewing range 26c046a https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/26c046a563f686f9309055f5d566a92d436eed7e (2022-04-02T08:39:43Z)
08:42 MinetestBot [git] x2048 -> minetest/minetest: Add depth sorting for node faces (#11696) b0b9732 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/b0b9732359d43325c8bd820abeb8417353365a0c (2022-04-02T08:42:27Z)
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09:28 chaverinho Hello.
09:30 chaverinho I'm not sure if I connected correctly, I'm new to IRC and new to minetest. Anyone out there?
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09:32 ROllerozxa yes you seem to have connected correctly, welcome! :)
09:32 chaverinho Nice! Thank you.
09:34 Markow :D
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09:46 chaverinho Is this a good channel to get some assistance with setting up my own minetest LAN server?
09:49 Markow yes
09:50 chaverinho Great!
09:50 ROllerozxa ask away!
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09:55 chaverinho Has anyone setup a minetest LAN server using Fedora?
09:57 ROllerozxa well I've set up minetest WAN servers on debian and arch linux, it should be pretty much the same. only difference is you wouldn't have to port forward it to the wider internet if you just want it accessible from the local network
09:57 MTDiscord <SX> Yes but not sure if anyone around here, not much different from any other Linux distro
09:59 MTDiscord <SX> (and container option ofc works pretty much same on any platform but has its own "things")
09:59 chaverinho I've installed it but when I create a world, it appears to crash immediately. All I've done at this point is installed it via dnf.
10:00 MTDiscord <SX> I bet it is fairly old version distributed there...?
10:00 ROllerozxa does it give any useful error messages, either in the console output or in debug.txt?
10:01 ROllerozxa (SX: stability by obsolescence, my favorite :P)
10:01 chaverinho I'm not sure where the debug.txt resides? I have to run it from the /bin directory.
10:02 Markow debug.txt is located in the /home/user/.minetest directory
10:03 chaverinho I'll check that, ty!
10:03 Markow Yw! :D
10:04 chaverinho This is the latest output:
10:04 chaverinho Error
10:05 chaverinho "Error writing configuration file: "tman/world.mt" ---- ServerError: Failed to initialize world: Failed to update the config file
10:08 MTDiscord <SX> Simple checks: File permissions? SELinux?
10:09 chaverinho This is after I create the world with: "minetestserver --world tman > /dev/null 2>&1 &" .....
10:10 chaverinho SELinux, yes -- Fedora. I couldn't find anything about firewall permissions. Let me check the file permissions.
10:13 MTDiscord <SX> for selinux see audit2allow --why (I've usually just reloaded and done something like audit2allow --why --lastreload to skip uniteresting things if needed)
10:14 chaverinho ok, ty
10:15 MTDiscord <SX> then if that's the problem what you need is probably just adding security context labels for minetest data directory
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10:16 MTDiscord <SX> but I guess if it is dnf package then install scripts should have added those already...
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10:18 chaverinho right... I would think so as well, so more than likely it's the way I'm starting the world? It also doesn't use systemctl, so Im not sure how to check and see if it's up or not and if it automatically starts a world, as it appears to be doing.
10:19 MTDiscord <SX> if you've not used to configure selinux then audit2allow --why simply tells what could be done to allow something, however it is not always what should be done but just gives idea where problem lies
10:20 chaverinho sure
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16:07 lemonzest chaverinho: I run a couple of minetest/clone servers for a chatroom I host, they are lan/wan and on fedora 35/36beta
16:07 lemonzest you need any help?
16:07 lemonzest selinux was not an issue
16:08 lemonzest I run them as user services and wrote some systemd units to start them up
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16:38 chaverinho @lemonzest - yes I could definitely use some help, any help would be greatly appreciated.
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16:41 lemonzest cool
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16:51 MinetestBot 167.71.128.19:30000 is up (11ms)
16:51 Guest47 !up 167.71.128.19:30000
16:51 MinetestBot 167.71.128.19:30000 is up (11ms)
16:54 Guest47 !up 167.71.128.19:30000
16:54 MinetestBot 167.71.128.19:30000 is up (11ms)
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18:47 MTDiscord Command sent from Discord by savgirluwu:
18:47 MTDiscord !up 127.0.0.1:80
18:47 MinetestBot 127.0.0.1:80 seems to be down
18:51 MTDiscord Command sent from Discord by savgirluwu:
18:51 MTDiscord !c 1+2
18:51 MinetestBot 3
18:51 MTDiscord Command sent from Discord by savgirluwu:
18:51 MTDiscord !c "a"+"b"
18:51 MinetestBot 'ab'
18:52 MTDiscord Command sent from Discord by savgirluwu:
18:52 MTDiscord !c ```1```
18:52 MinetestBot SyntaxError: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)
18:52 MTDiscord Command sent from Discord by savgirluwu:
18:52 MTDiscord !c __import__('os').system('id')
18:52 MinetestBot MTDiscord: Sorry, double underscores are not allowed.
18:54 MTDiscord <Warr1024> Please don't excessively mess about with the bots over the chat bridge.  Or, really at all, probably.
18:55 MTDiscord <savgirluwu> Heh, I had to try
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19:38 MTDiscord <SX> Could be good to have bot sandbox... I'd say it is useful to mess with things anyway but sandbox would be betetr
19:45 MTDiscord <Warr1024> The Discord-side bots are open-source.  https://github.com/MinetestBots  I dunno about the IRC-side bots, but I guess if someone there knows, please speak up.  In any event, if you want a sandbox, you can self-host one.
19:46 MTDiscord <SX> Idea is to give playground where people who are new to programming can easily test things and fix things, more about encouraging contributions than fixing some chat bots..
19:46 MTDiscord <savgirluwu> MinetestBot is from https://github.com/sfan5/minetestbot-modules
19:48 MTDiscord <SX> True that someone has to host those if such playground would be around but being used at mt chats I could see mt that being some core actor from mt community
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20:33 MTDiscord <Bastrabun> For an unattended showcase client I want to disable chat display altogether. I do not want to push F2 myself. Is there a way to not display chat in a client, even after world change, reconnect or any other action?
20:45 MTDiscord <MisterE> Maybe delete client lua files related to that?
20:47 MTDiscord <Warr1024> You can customize the font.  Making it really tiny might work, but it would be hard to completely remove any trace of it.  I looked for an alpha setting you could set to 0, but didn't see anything for the text itself, only the shadow.  You can substitute a custom font, but I'm not sure if a "completely invisible font" is a thing out there ... seems like it should be, but also seems pretty impractical.
20:52 MTDiscord <Warr1024> Yeah, chat_font_size = 1 makes it unreadable and harder to notice, so if it's just the login messages, you could get away with it.  If it's an active server with people using chat, though, then the movement will eventually draw attention to it.  That's the quickest, dirtiest solution, at least.
20:59 MTDiscord <SX> Only fool proof way would be to not send chat messages to that client from server.
21:01 MTDiscord <SX> Also ofc disable chat server side from that client. And maybe some CSM could help with client side stuff?
21:02 MTDiscord <SX> CSM that if enabled agrees with server about new rules, adds restrictions but possibly also grants different special privileges.
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22:20 MTDiscord <Bastrabun> I'll go with chat_font_size = 1 for the moment, thank you! If that doesn't suffice, I'll try to ask the devs, maybe there's a way to get rid of it by recompiling the client without file X.
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22:26 MTDiscord <SX> Could prob "lock" F2 with minimal modifications, initially chat disabled.
22:27 MTDiscord <Warr1024> Actually, it might be worth a PR to make it possible to save some toggle states like chat or HUD.  I mean, we have cinematic mode (and IIRC it's persisted) already and this seems to be along the same theme.
22:29 MTDiscord <Warr1024> Bastrabun, for your specific case, a patch like http://sprunge.us/cZEUS1  might work, if you want it compiled out completely.  This should just flip the starting state of the toggle to "off".
22:29 MTDiscord <Warr1024> Also, sprunge.us seems to be telling me that I'm like a Greek god of programming or something :-)
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22:54 MTDiscord <Bastrabun> If it works, you may have a place in some pantheon 😛 I'll try it, thank you!
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