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erlehmann |
hey exe_virus if you can read this https://exevirus.github.io/nodecast/feed is missing an enclosure |
| 13:34 |
MTDiscord |
<Benrob0329> @ExeVirus |
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erlehmann |
i.e. a podcast client will not be able to subscribe to this |
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erlehmann |
appguru you made the epidermis mod right? |
| 15:33 |
erlehmann |
i tried it |
| 15:33 |
erlehmann |
very nice |
| 15:33 |
erlehmann |
oh |
| 15:35 |
rubenwardy |
they're Luatic on Discord |
| 15:44 |
erlehmann |
ah! |
| 16:05 |
MTDiscord |
<exe_virus> Hey erlehmann, that feed is autogenerated, and an Atom feed, what tool told you it was invalid? |
| 16:06 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> Me. |
| 16:06 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> I'm the tool telling you it's invalid :-) |
| 16:07 |
MTDiscord |
<exe_virus> Lol, what tag? |
| 16:07 |
erlehmann |
exe_virus my very own mk1 eyeballs told me that it is missing an enclosure. it is not invalid per se, but a podcast client has to actually be able to find the episode. |
| 16:07 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> It's just a plain RSS feed, it's not a podcast feed. |
| 16:07 |
erlehmann |
it is an atom feed? |
| 16:07 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> I'm looking at the XML too and I see that there are no enclosures. |
| 16:07 |
MTDiscord |
<exe_virus> Okay, there's a difference? It's an atom feed |
| 16:07 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> RSS, atom, same diff. I rarely run into feed parsers that care which one. |
| 16:07 |
MTDiscord |
<exe_virus> I'm new to this, so what makes it a podcast feed |
| 16:08 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> A podcast feed is basically a feed that has enclosures pointing to MP3 files. |
| 16:08 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> at least 100% of the podcast feeds I've seen follow this convention. |
| 16:08 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> In theory it doesn't even necessarily have to be an MP3 file; any format should suffice, but I've only actually seen it as MP3 in the wild. |
| 16:08 |
MTDiscord |
<exe_virus> Lol, so <>mp31<> |
| 16:09 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> lemme see if I can find an example or somethign |
| 16:09 |
MTDiscord |
<exe_virus> <>mp3-2<> |
| 16:09 |
erlehmann |
i have an example |
| 16:09 |
erlehmann |
http://warumnicht.dieweltistgarnichtso.net/feed.atom |
| 16:09 |
MTDiscord |
<exe_virus> Well, that kind of feed I don't want to support too well, because I want people to NOT use the mp3s and stream through services they already pay for if possible |
| 16:10 |
erlehmann |
what? |
| 16:10 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> I mean do you want to publish a podcast or not XD |
| 16:10 |
erlehmann |
here is an example of how several enclosures can look |
| 16:10 |
erlehmann |
<link rel="enclosure" type="audio/ogg; codecs=opus" href="http://warumnicht.dieweltistgarnichtso.net/wn-14.opus" length="39670043"/> |
| 16:10 |
erlehmann |
<link rel="enclosure" type="audio/ogg; codecs=vorbis" href="http://warumnicht.dieweltistgarnichtso.net/wn-14.oga" length="79731879"/> |
| 16:10 |
erlehmann |
<link rel="enclosure" type="audio/mpeg" href="http://warumnicht.dieweltistgarnichtso.net/wn-14.mp3" length="101587072"/> |
| 16:10 |
erlehmann |
obviously a client will take the first one that it can play |
| 16:11 |
erlehmann |
so the order should always be from best to worst compression/quality |
| 16:11 |
MTDiscord |
<exe_virus> Hurm, yeah I get it. Not sure if there's a good plugin to autogenerate that out there for jekyll |
| 16:11 |
erlehmann |
i.e. opus, vorbis/aac, mp3 |
| 16:11 |
erlehmann |
opus is always the best AFAIK, mp3 is always the worst |
| 16:12 |
MTDiscord |
<exe_virus> And no I don't want to support direct downloads to open files as a first recommendation, basically. I'll have to think on it |
| 16:12 |
MTDiscord |
<exe_virus> It would be a last resort |
| 16:12 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> A podcast feed isn't really a "recommendation"; the user has already chosen this as their method of subscribing at this point. |
| 16:12 |
erlehmann |
i do not want to be rude, but do you understand what podcasts are? |
| 16:12 |
MTDiscord |
<exe_virus> Yes |
| 16:12 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> If you want to discourage it then basically you just list the preferred options first and make this the last option. |
| 16:13 |
MTDiscord |
<exe_virus> And a lot don't host directly like that, but a lot also do, but they use advertising which I don't want to do. And I haven't set up a Patreon or anything |
| 16:13 |
MTDiscord |
<exe_virus> I might do a feed for Patreon subscribers or something |
| 16:13 |
erlehmann |
exe_virus i do not get the thing |
| 16:13 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> You make the services you want people to use large and obvious on the layout, and then make the RSS/atom podcast feed link in the finer print below them. |
| 16:14 |
erlehmann |
you need a podcast feed anyway to feed it to whatever service you want ppl to use |
| 16:14 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> erlehmann: basically exe prefers people subscribe using a method that does NOT cost him money if possible. |
| 16:14 |
erlehmann |
exe_virus what exactly costs you money? hosting? |
| 16:15 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> Some platforms generate revenue from subscribers. Hosting plain MP3 files for the general public tends to cost money though. |
| 16:15 |
erlehmann |
exe_virus Warr1024 https://turbofuture.com/internet/How-to-Host-Podcast-Audio-on-Archiveorg |
| 16:16 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> Oh, nice |
| 16:16 |
erlehmann |
internet archive is p cool |
| 16:16 |
erlehmann |
so exe_virus just upload the thing to archive org and point the enclosure there? |
| 16:18 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> Listing the downsides from that article ... analytics can be done externally if needed, and the slow download speeds aren't as much of an issue for background-queue-based podcast clients. |
| 16:18 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> But free apparently-unlimited storage and total bandwidth sounds nice. |
| 16:18 |
MTDiscord |
<exe_virus> I love Internet archive, I hate abusing it though. |
| 16:19 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> I don't think this is "abuse", I think they actually WANT to have all the data. |
| 16:19 |
erlehmann |
yes |
| 16:19 |
erlehmann |
i use internet archive to host some software |
| 16:19 |
MTDiscord |
<exe_virus> What archive want me to use their bandwidth? |
| 16:19 |
erlehmann |
it ensures that if i die it is still there |
| 16:19 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> Uploading it directly to archive just saves them the trouble of finding and scraping it off your other cloud host :-D |
| 16:20 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> I've never seen a library that's annoyed by people actually checking out the books. |
| 16:21 |
MTDiscord |
<exe_virus> That's promising at least, I will look at doing just that, but maybe I will decrease the audio quality to like 96 bitrate, so that the highest quality can be had elsewhere. That's a decent compromise |
| 16:21 |
MTDiscord |
<exe_virus> Plus then it really saves on their bandwidth |
| 16:21 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> As the article suggests, it sounds like archive.org already does a good job "defending" its bandwidth from being overused by any one thing, so you shouldn't really have to worry about the cost to them. |
| 16:22 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> Yeah, tighter compression is fair for this. |
| 16:22 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> I mean, you don't even play music during the podcasts, and human speech is one of the things almost every codec specifically optimizes for. |
| 16:22 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> IIRC MP3 was originally intended for telephony, not music, actually. |
| 16:22 |
MTDiscord |
<exe_virus> Now, to generate a handcoded feed generator specifically for this haha |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> I'm looking forward to being able to point my podcast client at it and get new episodes automatically :-) |
| 16:24 |
MTDiscord |
<Sublayer plank> considering IA's download speeds range between anything from 100kb/s to 600kb/s you should probably compress it a bit more for IA just because of that alone |
| 16:24 |
erlehmann |
exe_virus for audio quality i suggest to use opus |
| 16:24 |
erlehmann |
it is the highest quality codec at any bitrate AFAIK |
| 16:25 |
erlehmann |
a bit slow to encode though |
| 16:25 |
erlehmann |
or high CPU load to encode |
| 16:26 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> As far as I'm aware podcast clients are more for the "download in background and queue" kind of use-case rather than live streaming, so if the download speeds are sub-realtime that should be fine. Users who want to live stream can just use the YT edition or somethign. |
| 16:27 |
MTDiscord |
<Sublayer plank> well yeah that true actually |
| 16:27 |
MTDiscord |
<Sublayer plank> but if I remember correctly they also have a web audio player interface |
| 16:28 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> I think you kind of have to offer MP3 as a compatibility thing. You can make opus an option. It really IS the best codec, especially at "mid to low" bandwidths like 8 to 96. |
| 16:28 |
erlehmann |
a web audio player interface nowadays is as simple as doing <audio controls><source src=foo.opus></source></audio> |
| 16:28 |
MTDiscord |
<exe_virus> Right, that's the plan, opus and mp3 |
| 16:28 |
erlehmann |
oh yeah, just make 1 opus enclosure and one mp3 |
| 16:28 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> I mean the whole reason for using IA is to support podcast clients via atom/RSS, rather than people actually using web browsers direct to IA. In those cases people should be encouraged to use the other options anyway. |
| 16:29 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> So if it doesn't live stream off IA then that's still fine; people have options. |
| 16:30 |
rubenwardy |
Honestly, I'd set up a patreon and sidestep this whole issue |
| 16:30 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> to be fair I've actually gotten opus speech to be quite intelligible at a bitrate of 8, but at that point intelligibility is what you're going for; beauty has been thrown well out the window. |
| 16:30 |
rubenwardy |
or use GitHub for the first X episodes - GitHub allows up to 1GB |
| 16:30 |
rubenwardy |
and 100GB per month bandwidth |
| 16:31 |
MTDiscord |
<exe_virus> Yeah GitHub is something I don't want to get on the bad side with |
| 16:31 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> Patreon isn't quite a "sidestep" until you've actually got the patrons. |
| 16:31 |
rubenwardy |
true |
| 16:31 |
MTDiscord |
<exe_virus> And I don't plan to actually make money off the people who like RSS and atom anyways haha |
| 16:31 |
MTDiscord |
<exe_virus> Except maybe donations |
| 16:32 |
MTDiscord |
<exe_virus> The point is to make like $5 a month so I can justify the time sink |
| 16:32 |
MTDiscord |
<exe_virus> Even though that's woefully low valued, it's enough for a hobby |
| 16:33 |
MTDiscord |
<exe_virus> I'll go with IA for now, and we'll see where this leads, as we just don't have enough interested people yet to justify me worrying to much about it. |
| 16:33 |
rubenwardy |
supporting podcast syndication sounds like a good idea, not sure how that's done but I imagine RSS/Atom plays a part |
| 16:33 |
rubenwardy |
what's IA? |
| 16:33 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> I personally am looking forward to syndication. |
| 16:33 |
MTDiscord |
<exe_virus> We just went over it, yeah feeds play a part. Internet archive- a CDN in this scenario |
| 16:38 |
MTDiscord |
<rubenwardy> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/749727888659447960/931588016705773618/unknown.png |
| 16:45 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> I'ma go ahead and subscribe to that feed in hopes that the URL remains the same when Exe gets enclosures worked out, so I can start syncing automatically... |
| 16:45 |
MTDiscord |
<exe_virus> No don't, I think I'll have to use a different url |
| 16:45 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> aw |
| 16:46 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> gimme a heads up as soon as you know what URL |
| 16:46 |
MTDiscord |
<exe_virus> Will do, expect a few days |
| 16:48 |
MTDiscord |
<exe_virus> Where does that pic come from, I don't think I made that? |
| 16:48 |
rubenwardy |
it's on Ep2 on the website |
| 16:54 |
MTDiscord |
<exe_virus> Fixed |
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MTDiscord |
<exe_virus> @Warr1024 can you point me to your podcast client so I have some test software, looks like handwritten may be a viable solution |
| 16:57 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> Haha, that'd be tricky, I haven't actually published it anywhere yet. |
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| 16:58 |
MTDiscord |
<exe_virus> Got an old one you use? |
| 16:59 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> My setup is (as usual) a bit weird. I process feeds, download enclosures, reencode them on the fly to opus, archive them on the local disk, and then I have a separate process that rsyncs them over to my "podcast listening phone" that acts like a portable music player when I connect it to the wifi. |
| 16:59 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> I think I only ever briefly tried out desktop podcast clients for maybe like 15 minutes before concluding that none of them was scriptable enough for my use-case. |
| 17:00 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> You might want to ask around for recommendations. |
| 17:01 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> Back when I started consuming podcasts they were specifically targeted to the offline use-case, i.e. you had a computer always connected and scraping audio for you, and then you'd occasionally sync a music player up from what your PC had cached. Probably a lot more clients these days run on the assumption they're on a usually-internet-connected device. |
| 17:02 |
MTDiscord |
<exe_virus> Interesting, in my experience all podcasts are hosted online, and you exclusively view via web browser or dedicated software to cache them. The expectation that you don't predownload is common |
| 17:04 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> Every podcast I've run into so far has the standard predownload option. Some make it very easy and obvious to get to. Others bury it ... but every one has it. |
| 17:04 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> Haha, I guess maybe you've started getting into the world of podcasts at a later stage when all the actual workings have been buried under the hood... |
| 17:06 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> The newer thing I see is podcasts also being on YT, so if you happen to have your eyeballs free at the time you're listening, you can also watch people talk. But I generally only listen to podcasts when my eyeballs are otherwise busy. |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> YT will have the full video, while ordinary podcast syndication is just the audio portion. Occasionally you'll have "for those who aren't watching the video, what I'm holding up to the camera is..." stuff but generally 99% of the content is still just in the audio. |
| 17:08 |
erlehmann |
<exe_virus> The point is to make like $5 a month so I can justify the time sink |
| 17:08 |
erlehmann |
exe_virus can you get SEPA transfers i can send you 25 euros then to pay for five months? :D |
| 17:09 |
erlehmann |
i doubt that you will make much money with it btw |
| 17:09 |
erlehmann |
also doing it for the money leads to clickbait |
| 17:11 |
erlehmann |
Warr1024 exe_virus i think companies like spotify have coopted podcast as a word so they can say it is only on their service maybe? |
| 17:11 |
erlehmann |
it is, of course, not a podcast if it does not have a feed with an enclosure |
| 17:12 |
erlehmann |
in the same way that a PDF file on a server is not a “web page” |
| 17:12 |
erlehmann |
even if served via HTTP(S) |
| 17:16 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> A podcast is basically a sequence of audio files with some associated metadata that people can subscribe to fetch automatically via standard protocols. |
| 17:16 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> The spotify experience is as much a standard for podcasts as facebook is a standard for the web. |
| 17:17 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> If you start with the basics of audio files and an XML-based feed, then you can add all the fancy you want on top of that. |
| 17:20 |
MTDiscord |
<exe_virus> Haha no need for the $25. And no I won't do clickbait or anything, basically if I have within 5 years about 250-500 people listening, then $5 a month is feasible. Heck, basic math says I need only 4-5 new listeners each month basically. But that assumes they use YouTube or streaming services |
| 17:33 |
erlehmann |
why? |
| 17:33 |
erlehmann |
i do not get it |
| 17:34 |
erlehmann |
does youtube pay ppl who have 500 subscribers about 5 eurodollars per moon cycle? |
| 17:35 |
rubenwardy |
no |
| 17:35 |
rubenwardy |
I used to get $5 a year from YT |
| 17:35 |
rubenwardy |
but not any more |
| 17:35 |
rubenwardy |
(I was able to exceed the $60 payout due to ads on my website) |
| 17:36 |
rubenwardy |
you need at least 1000 subscribers and 4000 watch hours |
| 17:36 |
rubenwardy |
watch hours being sum of time watched by all users |
| 17:36 |
rubenwardy |
I think MinetestVideos has reached that |
| 17:36 |
rubenwardy |
https://i.rubenwardy.com/7ov3H.png |
| 17:42 |
erlehmann |
https://artemis.sh/2022/01/12/life-at-800mhz.html |
| 17:56 |
GNUHacker |
https://www.gnu.org/proprietary/malware-webpages.html |
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celeron55 |
erlehmann: i was waiting for there to be something in there that i use, and - looks like that'll be icewm |
| 18:12 |
erlehmann |
celeron55 funny, nowadays a lot of people seem to use i3 or sway. but i remember the fluxbox times! |
| 18:12 |
erlehmann |
coincidentally, i think there was a new slackware release recently? |
| 18:12 |
erlehmann |
not sure |
| 18:13 |
erlehmann |
celeron55 do you also use an underpowered netbook? |
| 18:13 |
MTDiscord |
<exe_virus> No, YouTube doesn't, but music streaming services pay about 0.2¢ per listen, so 500 listens would be about $1, 2 EP a month would be $2. So yeah I need more like 1250 active listeners, |
| 18:14 |
celeron55 |
erlehmann: i don't. this thing has an i7 processor |
| 18:14 |
celeron55 |
and 16GB of RAM |
| 18:14 |
celeron55 |
of course even those will become too little for social media in let's say 10 years |
| 18:15 |
celeron55 |
i think they already have phones with 16GB RAM |
| 18:15 |
MTDiscord |
<Benrob0329> It's ok, my last phone (from 2013) was more powerful than some MTers desktops :^) |
| 18:16 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> awesomewm doesn't like my second monitor unfortunately |
| 18:16 |
MTDiscord |
<exe_virus> Same, till it broke and I downgraded. Literally phone was better than my laptop for all of college, and I graduated within the past 5 years. |
| 18:16 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> to be precise, X11 doesn't like my 2nd monitor |
| 18:16 |
celeron55 |
anyway it's nice to be used to a very lightweight desktop environment. i can simply install the same one on any system, regardless of how slow the system is |
| 18:16 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> so I am forced to use Wayland |
| 18:17 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> and awesome doesn't like Wayland |
| 18:17 |
MTDiscord |
<Benrob0329> I wish there was a Wayland equivalent of AwesomeWM |
| 18:17 |
MTDiscord |
<Benrob0329> To be fair though, I also want to see different levels of DIY for something like AWM |
| 18:18 |
MTDiscord |
<Benrob0329> Because it'd be nice to be able to write plugins for something like that without also requiring people be a full from-the-ground-up power user |
| 18:18 |
celeron55 |
someone's going to end up writing a window manager creation library for wayland, if that doesn't exist already |
| 18:19 |
MTDiscord |
<Benrob0329> I think a lot of them are based on Weston or whatever it's called |
| 18:19 |
MTDiscord |
<Benrob0329> yeah, Weston |
| 18:19 |
MTDiscord |
<Benrob0329> You have wlroots |
| 18:42 |
erlehmann |
i am still writing you from a thinkpad t60 |
| 18:42 |
MinetestBot |
[git] Emojigit -> minetest/minetest_game: Allow to set use_texture_alpha when registering a door 75f9575 https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/commit/75f957555751ae9a6fad6c7c6772bf1bcc89cf38 (2022-01-14T18:41:26Z) |
| 18:42 |
erlehmann |
and minetest runs fine on it |
| 18:42 |
erlehmann |
it only takes ages to compile because the build system is … suboptimal |
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erlehmann |
(obv no one who experiences a 2 min compile will have much motivation to speed it up compared to a 20 min compile) |
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MTDiscord |
<exe_virus> Incremental builds take 20minutes? |
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joeDoe |
how do highlight/ping someone who is in this channel via discord whereas I am here in irc? |
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joeDoe |
the irc way, or do I need some discord way? |
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joeDoe |
like maybe @ |
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comrad |
if this channel uses matterbridge, it should be @ |
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comrad |
(it is what we use) |
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comrad |
this works from irc to discord, other way around should be simply $NICK: |
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joeDoe |
thanks. so I do @nickofpersonfromdiscord? |
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joeDoe |
I'll do both :) |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> If I'm not mistaken, the exact nickname suffices? |
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joeDoe |
but, it was from a few days ago, so first I have to find the comment, and then formulate my question. Thanks, comrad |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> This is not Matterbridge AFAIK. |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> It uses discord-irc |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> I think |
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joeDoe |
luatic, does this highlight you |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> Ye |
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joeDoe |
@luatic, how about this? |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> Only at the start of a sentance sometimes |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> that too |
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joeDoe |
thank you all. (I won't bother testing other palces but the beginning of the line XD) |
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appguru |
what about this: Luatic |
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appguru |
doesn't seem to work |
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appguru |
Luatic: ping |
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appguru |
blah Luatic blah |
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Pexin |
caps? |
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appguru |
only at the start of a sentence |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> I already told you this |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> "sometimes" |
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Pexin |
lowercase luatic in the middle |
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appguru |
doesn't work either |
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appguru |
luatic works |
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appguru |
wait no it doesn't |
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Pexin |
colon? |
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appguru |
so it is case sensitive, and the nickname - not the Discord username - must be used |
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appguru |
Luatic: colon |
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appguru |
The colon works too |
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joeDoe |
Warr1024: Sorry, I got sidetracked by real life. Are you still here? Point taken about tutorial not being multiplayer. But, I can use your advice to maybe get mineclone2 running. I've looked in /usr/share/games/minetest/games/tutorial and I don't see anything that is obviously a "world" file. Where do I copy it from and where to I copy it to? |
| 20:17 |
erlehmann |
joeDoe if you want to run a public server and do not have unlimited resources, consider running the cora-production branch of mineclonia. if you do chose to run mineclone2, disable weather, it is the biggest source of lag. |
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joeDoe |
erlehmann: thanks. It will be available at a public IP address, but not to anyone, not advertised. But, I suppose your advice applies to both cases. |
| 20:21 |
erlehmann |
mineclonia is basically a bunch of performance fixed and bugfixes and anti griefing things stapled to mineclone2 0.71, but i suggest you try mineclone2 first. |
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erlehmann |
oh btw you neey a client side mod in mineclone2 nowadays to be on fire lol |
| 20:22 |
erlehmann |
there is also mineclone5, it has more features, so probably also more bugs, but who knows |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> erlehmann: wth why? |
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erlehmann |
joeDoe in mineclone2 0.71 you will find no quartz and no netherwart i think. also it will lag if you have enchanted gear. so use a newer version if you use it. |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> just for the particle spawners? |
| 20:23 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> or the HUD? |
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Yad |
erlehmann: minclonia? That sounds interesting. My biggest difficulty with MineClone 2 is the magnetic items thingy. |
| 20:24 |
erlehmann |
luatic because some people LOVE client side mods |
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Yad |
erlehmann: In other words, dropping entities when I dig a node, rather than items going directly into my inventory. |
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joeDoe |
where is mineclonia? I don't see it here: https://content.minetest.net/packages/?type=game&q=mineclonia A web search gave me this address https://git.minetest.org/mineclonia but that gives 502 bad gateway |
| 20:24 |
erlehmann |
Yad, mineclonia has that too, sorry. it is just a fork of mineclone2 with less bugs and less lag. |
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joeDoe |
does that address give anyone else 502? |
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erlehmann |
Yad if you want to, you could ofc submit a PR to toggle this behaviour. but in general, minecraft-style items it is. |
| 20:26 |
Yad |
erlehmann: Yeah it would be nice if it were a setting. I'm no GitHub now so I actually can do pull requests. :D |
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erlehmann |
joeDoe, https://git.minetest.land/Mineclonia/Mineclonia |
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sfan5 |
minetest[.]org is definitely the wrong page, don't visit it |
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Yad |
erlehmann: I do enjoy the dopamine from all those little pop-pop-pop sounds, too, but on a slow Internet connection it puts the client out of sync. |
| 20:27 |
erlehmann |
Yad that is exactly where mineclonia should shine. we have several improvements regarding traffic. |
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erlehmann |
Yad connect to oysterity server to see it in action |
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joeDoe |
thanks erlehmann. sfan5, is the .org address malicious? |
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sfan5 |
sort of, it's a long story |
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erlehmann |
Yad note that mineclonia is not on github.com, but on git.minetest.land. IMO it would not be a good thing to be on github as a minecraft clone, because github is owned by microsoft who own minecraft too. |
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sfan5 |
but you wouldn't find up-to-date mods or games there anyway |
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joeDoe |
ok |
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erlehmann |
brb checking out minetest.org to get that sweet sweet malicious code |
| 20:30 |
erlehmann |
> Final Minetest is now released |
| 20:30 |
erlehmann |
ah, minetest is finished. that's good to know ^^ |
| 20:31 |
erlehmann |
if i fork the engine, please remind me to name it final_final_minetest_(copy 3).xls |
| 20:32 |
erlehmann |
… from the creators of NEW FOLDER (3) … |
| 20:36 |
erlehmann |
luatic https://git.minetest.land/MineClone2/MineClone2Client/src/branch/master/fire.lua i was not joking |
| 20:36 |
erlehmann |
so the background was that in mineclone2 you could be on fire several times |
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erlehmann |
whch saturated traffic |
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erlehmann |
mineclonia also inherited this bug |
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erlehmann |
mineclone2 solved it with “screw this, let's make a CSM” |
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erlehmann |
mineclonia solved it the traditional way with being on fire only once and a low framerate for fire animation |
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erlehmann |
lower than 66 times per second or so |
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erlehmann |
cora measured it and managet to get like 1mb/s fire traffic |
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erlehmann |
i only got to 400 kb/s |
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erlehmann |
but you could lag out ppl by setting them on fire repeatedly |
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erlehmann |
or lag out yourself by being on fire |
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erlehmann |
not good |
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erlehmann |
good night |
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MTDiscord |
<j45> Gn |
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track_ |
Hello |
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track_ |
This is my first time using IRC |
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sfan5 |
hello |
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track_ |
hi |
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track_ |
what aspect of the game should we talk about |
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rubenwardy |
whatever you'd like |
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track_ |
what about modding |
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track_ |
goodbye |
