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I'm trying to set up a minetest server to offer the tutorial instead of the minetest_game. When I join the server, though, it's not the same world as when I've played the tutorial locally. I'm not sure, but I think it's the world from the minetest_game. Anyone know why I'm not getting the right world? Where do I start to look? |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> The tutorial explicitly says that it is designed to work only for single player. Technically it can start in multiplayer mode, but if you do that, it warns you when you first join that it will probably break if a second player joins. Are you sure you want to run a server given that? |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> I'm actually trying it out in multiplayer myself but haven't seen how it actually "breaks" yet... |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> It only works with the singlenode mapgen type, though, for one, so you should probably just start it in SP and then copy the world to your server to set it up in MP. |
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Yad |
sfan5: As you requested, my code is now on GitHub so it's not as difficult to debug https://github.com/OCRenkist/turbo-octo-chainsaw |
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Yad |
this was with regard to the question of vectors vs. tables |
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erlehmann |
Yad, https://github.com/OCRenkist/turbo-octo-chainsaw is 404 for me |
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Yad |
erlehmann: I've sent you an invitation now. Testing how private repos work on GitHub :) |
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erlehmann |
Yad why not make it public |
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Yad |
Avoiding being hasty I suppose. Because I can't undo that. |
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Yad |
Public repos are subject to webcrawlers, no? |
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Yad |
(And if I recall correctly, only the paid version of GitHub had private repos in the past.) |
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Yad |
Moreover it's just a very rudimentary learning exercise for me at this point, and I wouldn't want to clutter the information landscape with my crude beginnings. |
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Yad |
* erlehmann |
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MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> Private repos are free and can be switched any time |
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Yad |
GreenXenith: Precisely! :D |
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MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> My main point is you can undo it |
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Yad |
GreenXenith: Oh, nice. Assuming Archive.org doesn't grab it in the interim? |
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MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> Of course |
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Yad |
GreenXenith: :D |
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erlehmann |
Yad i suggest to not name your main mod “main” |
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erlehmann |
way too common word |
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Yad |
erlehmann: Excellent suggestion. :) |
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Yad |
erlehmann: I would imagine I'll switch to a naming convention such as MineClone 2, or Loria, use, with game initials followed by an underscore followed by the mod name. |
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Yad |
erlehmann: At this point I'm just testing different functions in the Minetest Lua API |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> please dont use a games namespace |
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Yad |
Jonathon: Because it kills mod interoperability? |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> sort of |
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Yad |
erlehmann: and sfan5 requested I put the code for my vector.new(x,y,z) error on GitHub for easy reading instead of trying to explain it line-by-line in here xD |
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erlehmann |
yes good |
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Yad |
erlehmann: thanks :) |
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erlehmann |
Yad if you want truly private git repositories (where not even the server can see it) you can use GPG + git-remote-gcrypt |
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erlehmann |
https://github.com/spwhitton/git-remote-gcrypt |
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Yad |
erlehmann: Oh! Thank you, that might be very useful in the future. :) |
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erlehmann |
Yad i mainly use it for encrypted remote backups of config files |
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Yad |
erlehmann: Nice. |
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erlehmann |
Yad but you can basically use it to share a repo on a public host (only ppl in the GPG config of the others can access it) |
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Yad |
erlehmann: Indeed. Pre-egress encryption. |
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Norkle |
ut up |
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Yad |
Norkle: oh hi |
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Yad |
I'm trying to find help topics on using VSCodium with a GitHub `personal access token` |
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Yad |
Ah looks like I simply didn't authorize enough powers to be granted to the token. |
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Yad |
I'm not familiar with which ones are required, but I still managed to leave most disabled. |
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gargamel |
!up 69.247.56.186:30003 |
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MinetestBot |
69.247.56.186:30003 is up (125ms) |
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gargamel |
Fractal Monday now with dinosaurs! |
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Yad |
What text editors/IDEs do you prefer for interfacing with GitHub repos? |
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Yad |
I'd love to put more of my work into pull requests, but it's quite a chore with the web GUI. |
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Jordan4ibanez |
Github desktop |
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MTDiscord |
<Sublayer plank> git |
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jonadab |
Emacs. |
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dzho |
https://xkcd.com/378/ |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> VS Code |
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rubenwardy |
!seen VanessaE |
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MinetestBot |
rubenwardy: vanessae was last seen at 2021-09-03 21:13:13 UTC on #minetest-hub |
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sfan5 |
thats a while |
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Krock |
4 months |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> they are semi active in there irc channel on libera |
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Bombo |
hi |
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Bombo |
how do the settings work? i'm using draconis mod, there is settingtypes.txt with 'simple_spawning (Simple Spawning) bool true' in init.lua i added this: minetest.log("action", "[MOD] Draconis simple_spawning: " .. tostring(minetest.settings:get_bool("simple_spawning"))) at the end, but it is always 'nil' |
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rubenwardy |
settingtypes is for the All Settings menu, it doesn't set defaults |
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Bombo |
ok but how do i get those settings then? |
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Yad |
dzho: Heheheh |
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rubenwardy |
that's correct, you need to provide your own defaults |
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rubenwardy |
get_bool("simple_spawning", true) |
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Yad |
Thanks for the feedback on editors, everybody :) |
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Yad |
luatic: I'm relieved someone mentioned VS Code |
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Yad |
luatic: Because yesterday I discovered (and am enjoying) VSCodium. |
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Yad |
luatic: A fully open-source implementation of what VS Code is. |
| 21:47 |
Yad |
https://flathub.org/apps/details/com.vscodium.codium |
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Bombo |
rubenwardy: so there is no way to get a setting from 'all settings' ? |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> I have Code: OSS installed |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> Still use VS Code tho ;) |
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rubenwardy |
Bombo: when they change using All settings, get_bool will return the changed setting |
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rubenwardy |
I use Code - OSS as well |
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rubenwardy |
it's what Chromium is to Chrome |
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Yad |
luatic: If you enjoy spyware :P |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> The truth is, I've fallen in love with the VSC icon |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> Granted, I could use it for COSS |
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rubenwardy |
Yad: Code is in Manjaro/Arch repos, but VSCodium isn't |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> you code add it to the aur if it isnt already |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> , s.code/could |
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sfan5 |
vscodium is a branded prebuild of code oss |
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sfan5 |
if you have the latter you don't need the former |
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sfan5 |
prebuilt* |
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benrob0329 |
Plus some propretary bits iirc, but nothing you need |
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rubenwardy |
codium is in the AUR, but I'd rather use a community package than an AUR one |
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Bombo |
rubenwardy: ah i got it. soooooooo... then .... |
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Bombo |
how to get an int, get_int doesn't seem to exist |
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rubenwardy |
get() and then tonumber |
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rubenwardy |
tonumber(minetest.settings:get("name")) or 123 |
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Bombo |
works, even without tonumber, and with tostring ;) |
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rubenwardy |
you need tonumber to make it a number, and not a string |
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rubenwardy |
Lua does have some type cohesion but in this case it makes sense to validate here |
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Bombo |
i'm hacking with //lua minetest.chat_send_player("singleplayer", "simple_spawn_rate: " .. minetest.settings:get("simple_spawn_rate")) |
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Bombo |
just want to see if it's set |
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Bombo |
ok //lua minetest.settings:set("simple_spawn_rate", 11) did work too |
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Bombo |
now let's see if there are dragons |
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Bombo |
dragooooooon! |
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Bombo |
;) |
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Yad |
rubenwardy: Yeah VSCodium is not in the Mint repos either, that's why I use Flatpak...besides considering Flatpax more secure generally. |
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Bombo |
rubenwardy: so i can't read defaults from settingtypes.txt / gui settings |
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Bombo |
hm when are settingtypes.txt values read anyway |
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Yad |
sfan5: Ohh, excellent, thank you. |
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rubenwardy |
Bombo: in the mainmenu only |
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Bombo |
i've set //lua minetest.settings:set("simple_spawn_rate", 1) now, in the console, then looked it up in gui menu all settings, it's 1 now |
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Bombo |
so the values in settingtypes.txt are ignored completely |
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Bombo |
hmm |
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gaelysam |
Hi I have a C++ question |
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gaelysam |
I'm getting the destructor of a class called during construction |
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Bombo |
# Dragon Spawn Rate. 1 in x chance per spawn tick for a Dragon to spawn. |
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Bombo |
what's a spawn tick? |
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gaelysam |
In my tests I've added an empty constructor for MapgenBasic and I don't understand why MapgenBasic::~MapgenBasic() is called when doing "MapgenBasic mg;" |
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Hawk777 |
gaelysam: Put more of your code somewhere for us to look at? |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> Are you, like, creating an instance on the stack and then immediately exiting the function or something? |
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gaelysam |
It's what I think, that some temporary object is created, duplicated and deleted, but I don't understand why this happen by just doing "MapgenBasic mg;" |
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gaelysam |
I can put my code on a github branch but it's not easy to show cuz my changes are in several files |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> github has a pretty good diff viewer, so that might actually work pretty well... |
| 23:04 |
gaelysam |
(and github's new logging system is bothering me again...) |
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gaelysam |
https://github.com/Gael-de-Sailly/minetest/commit/128e84b#diff-be4624c7b000e30c1dfd7240605f7b0f6414b8da1b9cdaebef53922d765d8c42R1515 |
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Hawk777 |
And you’re seeing mg_temp’s destructor being called somewhere before the “return 0” on L1535? |
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gaelysam |
yea |
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gaelysam |
even before L1519 |
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gaelysam |
if I uncomment L1517-18, the error does not happen (as the destructor segfaults) |
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gaelysam |
(I mean this debug LuaError does not happen) |
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Hawk777 |
Ah, and you have the prints in the MapgenBasic ctor and dtor to verify that. |
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gaelysam |
yea both |
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Hawk777 |
Well, I’m not sure, but two things you could try for debugging purposes. (1) in your printed messages, print out “this”, which will print as the pointer value (memory address) of the object. (2) implement the copy constructor and add printing to it rather than using the default, so you can see if it is being called somewhere unexpected, and so you can more properly match up dtor calls to the corresponding ctor calls. |
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Hawk777 |
Oh, never mind (2); it looks like the class is uncopyable. |
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Hawk777 |
You could also put a breakpoint in the dtor and get a backtrace to see if you can figure out why exactly it’s happening. |
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Yad |
sfan5: So is `Code - OSS` the version without Microsoft telemetry stuff or is Codium? |
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MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> Codium is pre-packaged Code - OSS |
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Hawk777 |
gaelysam: Oh, it also looks like the MapgenBasic nullary ctor doesn’t initialize the fields. Did you add that ctor? So for a local variable (as mg_temp is), m_emerge (for example) will be uninitialized and the dtor will invoke UB when it possibly deletes it. |
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Yad |
GreenXenith: Ah yes, but is there any disadvantage to using Codium? |
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MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> Relative to what? |
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rubenwardy |
Yad: Code - OSS is the official upstream open source version maintained by Microsoft. It doesn't have the Microsoft branding or proprietary plugins. Not 100% sure about telemetry |
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rubenwardy |
VSCodium is a fork of Code - OSS |
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rubenwardy |
so Code is Chromium, VSCode is Chrome, VSCodium is Edge/Brave/whatever |
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MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> >This is not a fork |
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Yad |
rubenwardy: Yes I noticed the pun in the names :D |
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MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> (vscodium discord) |
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gaelysam |
Hawk777: ah yea I'll try this printing the pointer |
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MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> bla |
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MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> (vscodium github*) |
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MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> tired brain, doing 3 things at once |
| 23:29 |
GreenXenith |
Quick announcement, post-mortem for the 2021 Minetest Game Jam can be found here https://github.com/GreenXenith/minetestgamejam/blob/master/2021/POSTMORTEM.md Goes over what went well, what didn't, and future plans. |
| 23:30 |
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<GreenXenith> Anyway, VSCodium is just a build of code - oss with community configuration |
| 23:31 |
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<GreenXenith> All telemetry is disabled |
| 23:39 |
gaelysam |
Hawk777: yes the ctor doesn't initialize fields and it's why it is segfaulting but it's not what i am fixing now: I expect the dtor to be called at the end of the function, not on construction |
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| 23:44 |
gaelysam |
and I confirm that the object being created and destructed is at the same memory address |
| 23:45 |
Hawk777 |
Yep, I don’t have an explanation for that. |
| 23:46 |
Hawk777 |
Everything I was thinking about involved either an exception being thrown earlier in the construction process (e.g. in the Mapgen ctor) in which case MapgenBasic’s ctor body would not have run yet; or as a side effect of doing something with mg_temp with it not initialized properly (but you say the dtor runs before you do anything with it). So I don’t know. |
| 23:47 |
Hawk777 |
Hm, wait, you said you verified that the dtor ran too early by uncommenting lines 1517 and 1518. But if you uncomment those lines, then of course the dtor will run right away, because “throw” unwinds the stack and runs the dtor! |
| 23:47 |
Hawk777 |
Did you try printing something on e.g. line 1516 to check for sure? |
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| 23:50 |
gaelysam |
ah I see what you mean |
| 23:52 |
gaelysam |
I thought "throw" was aborting very brutally but maybe it still calls the dtors |
| 23:53 |
Hawk777 |
If it’s caught anywhere, it definitely does. |
| 23:53 |
Hawk777 |
If it’s not caught anywhere in the entire program, I’m not sure whether it’s still allowed but not required to per language standard, or required not to (I know in GCC’s case it doesn’t). |
| 23:54 |
gaelysam |
it works now |
| 23:54 |
gaelysam |
I mean, it segfaults at the end of the function as expected, so I just have to implement the ctor properly now |
| 23:55 |
gaelysam |
thank you very much |
