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07:18 Ilomiglio hi, i'm writing a mod for teleporting back the player if they trepass a threshold: https://paste.rs/kal.lua
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07:19 Ilomiglio however, i can't get passed neither player obj neither its name
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07:29 Ilomiglio i was disconnected
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07:35 ilomiglio keeping disconnecting with hexchat, trying with webchat
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07:42 MTDiscord <fatalerror420> Well whats your issue?
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07:44 ilomiglio i get that player or name is nil
07:44 ilomiglio it's like player obj doesn't get passed to the function
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07:50 BuckarooBanzai !tell ilomiglio you have to use `minetest.get_connected_players()` and iterate over the returned players periodically
07:50 MinetestBot BuckarooBanzai: yeah, yeah
07:57 MTDiscord <fatalerror420> Also you can use is_player
07:57 MTDiscord <fatalerror420> And use ipairs
07:58 MTDiscord <fatalerror420> _, player in pairs(get_objects_in_radius) blah blah if player:is_player then
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08:01 MinetestBot ilomiglio: Aug-03 07:50 UTC <BuckarooBanzai> you have to use `minetest.get_connected_players()` and iterate over the returned players periodically
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09:06 Ilomiglio i found a difference between lua and luajit, in the former an integer division is performed via // (ex. 10 // 3 ) while luajit uses math.floor and math.ceil
09:06 Ilomiglio but i tried an os.execute cmd, and failed for some reason
09:10 sfan5 you either get a lua 5.1 or luajit environment
09:10 sfan5 integer division and the integer type are a 5.3 feature, that is never available
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10:22 sfan5 !tell Ilomiglio ...and os.execute is not possible due to sandboxing by default
10:22 MinetestBot sfan5: I'll pass that on when Ilomiglio is around
10:22 sfan5 maybe they'll come back
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12:42 twoelk duh ......... just after I finished composing a lengthy post the forum goes into maintenance    ......     hmm better save my text for reuse I guess
12:44 celeron55 yep, i'm in a bit of a hurry, tomorrow it wouldn't have had a valid certificate anymore
12:45 celeron55 trying to finish moving it to another host
12:46 sfan5 the maintenance page still links to webchat.freenode.net btw
12:47 celeron55 oops 8)
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13:02 MTDiscord <Sublayer plank> oh my, there's a massive hidden archive of old minetest versions on 8dromeda.net?
13:05 twoelk so that evprevia is the hint-blueprint to a project?
13:11 celeron55 that archive of old versions has been linked a couple of times on the forums
13:11 celeron55 well, at least once. maybe the other times were on IRC
13:13 celeron55 i will probably use this backup as the final data for moving the wikis also, so don't get carried away making edits now
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13:19 iisu I just came to the forum to see the message.
13:19 iisu Congrats on the server change.
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13:25 MTDiscord <Sublayer plank> will the forum page loading hopefully improve now on the new server?
13:26 sfan5 it will
13:28 iisu I can already barely make coffee while it loads. You're gonna deprive us of caffeine. :P
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13:31 FriendlyPerson[m Hiya been trying to find the correct IRC channel here on Matrix did I finally found it after referencing the wiki that it's on libera now? 🙂
13:31 sfan5 yep
13:32 FriendlyPerson[m Awesome thank you very much sfan5 for reassuring me of that. 🙂
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14:16 Guest8533 Good morn
14:17 FriendlyPerson[m Guest8533: Aww thanks! Good morning to you too! :)
14:20 FriendlyPerson[m Interesting dropped by to say good morning then just quitted.
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14:56 * twoelk takes a glance at the forums and notices the maintenance timeframe has changed
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14:58 MTDiscord <Sublayer plank> huh?
14:59 FriendlyPerson[m > * <@twoelk:libera.chat> takes a glance at the forums and notices the maintenance timeframe has changed
14:59 FriendlyPerson[m What are you even talking about? I reloaded it and it's still state the time started and that it expected to PROBABLY ake 1 to 3 hours. Key word PROBABLY meaning it's not an "promised" time frame but merely an reference point.
14:59 MTDiscord <Sublayer plank> it has always said 1 to 3 hours ever since celeron55 edited it to specify that the forums are moving to another server
15:00 celeron55 just a moment
15:01 * twoelk thought he remembered it was less when his first effort to save his post produced a maintenance page
15:02 FriendlyPerson[m > * <@twoelk:libera.chat> thought he remembered it was less when his first effort to save his post produced a maintenance page
15:02 FriendlyPerson[m It probably wasn't there or IF it was changed to a latter time frames then there were legit issues. Migrations can go wrong and fast especially if your moving from one network to another. Or other complicated migration tasks.
15:02 * twoelk is still holding that edited page in limbo to see if it executes correctly once mainenance is finished
15:04 twoelk not complaining just observing and drinking some coffee and doing work and coming back, hitting the refresh button, making more coffee and so forth
15:05 celeron55 the forum is now online on the new machine
15:07 twoelk cool
15:07 * twoelk has another look at the evprevia
15:08 twoelk yay
15:12 twoelk hm, hit the submit button on the pre-mainenance edited page and it uploaded without complaining, didn't expect that to work so seamingless
15:14 FriendlyPerson[m <celeron55> "the forum is now online on the..." <- Awesome just noticed better responsiveness so hopefully the forums will be more stable for me. As I am mineminer there.
15:17 MTDiscord <Jonathon> your mineminer? interesting
15:18 FriendlyPerson[m Yup and nice to see the Discord bridged here too. Since I prefer Matrix interface better than theirs.
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15:18 FriendlyPerson[m So I only use it for the one person and my VPS host.
15:18 MTDiscord <Jonathon> im the exact opposite, preferring discord interface to matrix
15:19 MTDiscord <Jonathon> that said, matrix's isnt that bad aside from spaces which are in the 1800s compared to discord
15:19 FriendlyPerson[m hehe that's interesting, I like Matrix (Element) since it's easier for me to read as a deaf and blind person. I feels like Discord is just not that friendly.
15:20 FriendlyPerson[m MTDiscord: Watcha you mean? I feels like Discord is turning into a Social Media platform than a chat platform.
15:20 MTDiscord <Jonathon> interesting, how does reading online work when deaf and blind if you dont mind me asking?
15:21 twoelk ok, that got me interested. how does that work
15:21 FriendlyPerson[m MTDiscord: Here is my post on that actually, would be easier to check that out than to wall the text here https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?p=397824#p397824
15:21 twoelk some brail exposing monitory thingy?
15:21 FriendlyPerson[m twoelk: Read my last reply please.
15:22 twoelk just copied the link to browser
15:22 FriendlyPerson[m alrighty it should pull to the post in question.
15:22 MTDiscord <Jonathon> oh, so your not fully blind i take it?
15:22 FriendlyPerson[m Yes but I am still legally obviously
15:23 MTDiscord <Jonathon> ah ok, that makes sense
15:23 FriendlyPerson[m Aww thanks you for caring to be of understanding of me. ❤️
15:24 GNUHacker hi #minetest
15:26 GNUHacker I want port some minecraft mods to minetest, maybe Ill begin with rustic mod idk
15:26 FriendlyPerson[m GNUHacker: Heya there. :)
15:26 FriendlyPerson[m GNUHacker: That's interesting I love how the Drawers mod gotten over to Minetest. It's helps out my spawn on my DeafBlind Minetest Gaming server.
15:28 GNUHacker mineclone is perfect mod base
15:28 MTDiscord <Jonathon> how about no
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15:29 twoelk make sure to check out consider all assets licenses or make new ones media
15:29 GNUHacker some minecraft mods has been ported to minetest but to mtg, mineclone is WIP, but is a better mod base
15:30 GNUHacker many minecraft mods are Free Software with Free assets
15:30 twoelk many but not all
15:31 specing I'm against blindly 1:1 copying features from proprietary games. It reinforces the belief that libre gaming is nothing but copies/clones of "real games"
15:31 twoelk often the code is opensource while some textures are more restricted
15:31 FriendlyPerson[m GNUHacker: Yes but doesn't means you can take/"borrows" them. assests often have other licenses than the code base which ARE often MIT/GPL variants.
15:31 GNUHacker some free software mods examples: rustic, ice and fire, opencomputers
15:31 FriendlyPerson[m twoelk: Exactly
15:32 FriendlyPerson[m specing: Indeed even Drawers in this game is distintly difference from he Minecraft "version". And i likes it that way. 🙂
15:34 GNUHacker opencomputer minecraft mod is a great mod to port, is free software under MIT license and have media under CC0 license, also have LUA code to manage the "openOS" computer system
15:34 twoelk reusing good ideas from other games is ok in my opinion  but mileage of others may vary
15:34 twoelk I don't think though that every aspect of mc is worth copying
15:35 FriendlyPerson[m twoelk: Exactly
15:35 * twoelk wonders where is old efforts of porting some rockraider ideas to mt got lost
15:36 twoelk uhm his not is
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15:47 FriendlyPerson[m Does anybody in here is able to help me understand if there a way to shutter this up "<ACTION> 2021-08-03 15:44:05: [Server] DBGamer takes mobs:hairball from chest
15:47 FriendlyPerson[m at (-836,20,819)". I know this is from the Pipeworks mod but the modder (I can't remember how to spell her name sorry) said there's nothing she can do about it as per knowledge. Aside from of course shutting ACTION entirely by upping the log sensitively. Since I still want to talk to my players and see them logs into the server.
15:50 sfan5 if you're watching the log interactively you could do e.g. (assuming Linux): tail -f debug.txt | grep -v --line-buf '\[Server\] .* takes .* from chest at .*$'
15:51 sfan5 that would simply not display such messages
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15:51 sfan5 or actually if you don't care abotu chest you could comment that code in MTG out entirely
15:51 sfan5 about chests*
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15:56 FriendlyPerson[m sfan5: so you mean on LN 227 to LN 228 in chests.lua correct? This is what's there... minetest.log("action", player:get_player_name() ..
15:56 FriendlyPerson[m " moves stuff in chest at " .. minetest.pos_to_string(pos))
15:56 sfan5 yep
15:56 FriendlyPerson[m Remove that and it should stops the loggings?
15:56 FriendlyPerson[m Got ya!
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16:06 FriendlyPerson[m <sfan5> "yep" <- ACTUALLY it was a bit more involved since there were take and put references but being how easily "read able" LUA coding is it wasn't that difficult for me to resolve. It's was just a bit beyond that point (in the 22x area I believe).
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16:08 * FriendlyPerson[m posted a file: (10KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/jLiVzHBJQgEUJbxiywNvEpXy/chests.lua >
16:08 FriendlyPerson[m That's what I ended up with to cease the loggings as it been said.
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17:32 beanzilla What is the itemstring for mineclone2's air (I.E. "default:air" for MTG)
17:34 rubenwardy air is in the engine, not MTG or MC2
17:34 rubenwardy it's "air" in both cases
17:35 beanzilla Ah, ok so in this case the itemstring would just be "air"? Since it's the engine making it?
17:35 MTDiscord <Sublayer plank> yeah, it's just "air"
17:36 beanzilla Okay, thank you for the help, now back to breaking things in my mod... (err, fixing things. :) )
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18:47 MinetestBot [git] SmallJoker -> minetest/minetest: OpenAL: Free buffers on quit 4a3728d https://git.io/JBjid (2021-08-03T18:29:55Z)
18:55 GNUHacker opencomputer minecraft mod is a great mod to port, is free software under MIT license and have media under CC0 license, also have LUA code to manage the "OpenOS" computer system, Ill try port this mod to mineclone, Ill begin making the computer boxes nodes, maybe Ill need use digilines depend, idk
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20:04 celeron55 devwiki moved to the other host now, also updated to almost the newest mediawiki version
20:04 celeron55 there's some work to do there due to the upgrade, it was about a bazillion years worth of skipped versions
20:07 celeron55 meaning, it's not 100% compatible with the content
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20:16 FriendlyPerson[m <celeron55> "meaning, it's not 100% compatibl..." <- This is why updating regularly is hence important. Now of days thanks to automatic updates for most server sided and applicaitons' stuffs this came a long way. Not perfect but that's what backing up is for.
20:16 celeron55 it would have broken anyway at some point
20:17 celeron55 there's no automatic upgrade method for mediawiki anyway, what are you even talking about
20:18 FriendlyPerson[m celeron55: Hence I said "most" not all applications and server sided.
20:19 MTDiscord <Sublayer plank> mediawiki is a bit of an outliar, it doesn't have a web-based administration panel either by default
20:19 celeron55 i like mediawiki, it's simple and robust
20:20 celeron55 they never bloated it up into a silly unmanageable unrepairable balloon like many projects do
20:23 FriendlyPerson[m celeron55: Sure indeed frustrating when a project does go crazy off tangent. Yesterday's Discord updates made it seems like a Social Media platform than what's it's original purposes were to talk. Now they got a laundry list of "features" on top of that which in my opinion doesn't benefits that. This is also why I like Matrix better as well. It's largely sticks to the points.
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20:36 MTDiscord <GreenXenith> Literally no one asked for the Discord threads feature. It's not useful. Fortunately, it can be disabled server-side.
20:37 FriendlyPerson[m EXACTLY! Nor the stickers, profiles ships, etc.
20:38 MTDiscord <GreenXenith> I dont really care about the profile stuff, its all cosmetic anyway
20:38 rubenwardy there's a mediawiki docker image, not sure if it supports autoupdating
20:39 rubenwardy if they had an upgrade script, updating would be `git pull && ./utils/migrate-db.sh` or whatever
20:39 FriendlyPerson[m MTDiscord: Sure it's doesn't "bugs" anybody but to me it's becoming to akin to Facebook than a Instant Messaging chatting platform...
20:39 rubenwardy I disagree, but also so?
20:41 FriendlyPerson[m I feels at the very least it's wasting resources to some extent. For example instead of working on all of that what about making 2FA accept other forms like Hardware Authentications, SMSes, etc?
20:41 MTDiscord <GreenXenith> It already has SMS?
20:41 FriendlyPerson[m So it's become more accessible to more people?
20:42 rubenwardy SMS 2fa isn't secure
20:42 FriendlyPerson[m MTDiscord: It's does? Not requiring Googleauth/Authy?
20:43 MTDiscord <GreenXenith> Yes, it has SMS. Also FYI, MTDiscord is the bridge. The name after it is the Discord user speaking.
20:43 rubenwardy TOTP is the protocol that GAuth and Authy use
20:43 rubenwardy it's an open protocol - which is why there are so many apps for it
20:43 rubenwardy there are even FF/Chrome extensions
20:44 FriendlyPerson[m MTDiscord: I will have to check this out really because when I was "FriendlyPerson" on there it was be flagging as a "compromised" account so I wanna 2FA as soon as I reliably do so. If it just a phone # and a single SMS now that's would works wonder for me.
20:44 FriendlyPerson[m Also understood thanks for you for reassuring me that Green. :)
20:45 MTDiscord <GreenXenith> 👍
20:51 FriendlyPerson[m I am sorry GreenXenith but I am not seeing that config optoin on the Discord web client. I click "activate 2 Factor" or whatever that button is and it's says you can auth with either Google or Authy and for you enter the QR then enter the 6 digits.
20:52 GNUHacker how can I get a placed node param2?
20:52 MTDiscord <GreenXenith> FriendlyPerson: You need to enable regular 2FA before you can enable SMS I guess
20:52 GNUHacker I tryed core.get_node_at(pos).param2 but nope
20:53 MTDiscord <GreenXenith> And as rubenwardy said, TOTP is an open protocol so you dont have to use Google or Authy
20:53 MTDiscord <GreenXenith> GNUHacker: core.get_node(pos).param2
20:53 MTDiscord <GreenXenith> or minetest.get_node
20:53 GNUHacker I also try node:get_param2_data() but return nil
20:54 FriendlyPerson[m Ah I see well that wouldn't work for me since I don't even own a Smartphone and you are correct and I tried TOTP Linux clients and they refuse to work with Discord. I think it might because Discord REQUIRES you to own a physical smart device. Because I configured them with the Discord presets.
20:54 MTDiscord <GreenXenith> Doesnt Google Auth have a web client?
20:55 MTDiscord <GreenXenith> Ah, there is a chrome extension
20:55 MTDiscord <GreenXenith> FriendlyPerson: Like Rubenwardy said, you can get FireFox or Chrome extensions for TOTP
20:56 FriendlyPerson[m And you think Discord won't mind it?
20:56 MTDiscord <GreenXenith> Authy also has a Linux client
20:56 GNUHacker GreenXenith: thanks!
20:56 MTDiscord <GreenXenith> I dont think Discord cares what you use as long as it gets a valid code
20:57 FriendlyPerson[m If you say so, I am still at a loss on why my past attempts on my old account didn't do jacks. But I guess I will try an extension now.
20:57 MTDiscord <GreenXenith> Authy has a snap https://snapcraft.io/authy
20:57 FriendlyPerson[m Correct that one of the htings I tried.
20:58 rubenwardy Discord won't be able to tell
20:58 Pexin Every part of this conversation is horrifying
20:58 FriendlyPerson[m I choose the Discord preset, enter my Discord username and tag and the code instead of the QR and that client did nothing after I enter that.
21:00 Platekoala[m] <FriendlyPerson[m> "Ah I see well that wouldn't work" <- hm?
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21:00 Platekoala[m] i use aegis, it works fine
21:00 Platekoala[m] give a hard rejection to authy
21:03 MTDiscord <GreenXenith> FriendlyPerson: I just used https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/auth-helper/ with web Discord and it worked perfectly
21:06 FriendlyPerson[m I'm chrome based and just tried GAuth and it retricts me to a site so I removed it https://chrome.google.com/webstore/search/totp%20authenticator and I can't see anything else that relevant and doesn't relies on a phone.
21:06 MTDiscord <GreenXenith> ill try it on chrome, give me a bit
21:07 FriendlyPerson[m Alrighty let me know if you find anything useful for that.
21:09 FriendlyPerson[m <Pexin> "Every part of this conversation..." <- I know right? BUT... it's where my VPS host is that worth being with. Unless they provide other reliable support options I am stuck "Discording" them. And I actually use their support cause I opted for their Sysadmin package just in case I need the extra hands.
21:12 MTDiscord <GreenXenith> FriendlyPerson: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/authenticator/bhghoamapcdpbohphigoooaddinpkbai?hl=en this is the same extension I use fore FireFox but for chrome. Works perfectly as well.
21:12 MTDiscord <GreenXenith> for*
21:23 sfan5 !tell erlehmann https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/11511
21:23 MinetestBot sfan5: I'll pass that on when erlehmann is around
21:28 erlehmann thx sfan5
21:28 MinetestBot erlehmann: Aug-03 21:23 UTC <sfan5> https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/11511
21:28 FriendlyPerson[m Awesome thank you very much GreenXith for doing all of this for me. Much appreciate your dedication to helping me with my frustrations with the platform. ❤️
21:29 MTDiscord <GreenXenith> No problem, glad it works for ya 👍
21:31 erlehmann sfan5, i suggest to ask anon5 to review the boundaries
21:31 erlehmann sfan5, he may have some more ideas
21:32 sfan5 more ideas for things to check?
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22:05 erlehmann sfan5, yes, more boundaries that he found maybe
22:05 erlehmann where the code goes brrrrrrrr crash
22:06 erlehmann i mean he has this proxy for minetest protocol
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