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erlehmann |
i think i figured out how to easily add rumble support to minetest |
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erlehmann |
anyone working on that area? |
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specing |
erlehmann: rumble? |
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independent56 |
https://imgur.com/a/5eYAPGy I dont get it. i try to make a quadrule track, and avdtrains screws me up. |
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independent56 |
ahaha i downloaded a map from LF, didnt do anything ecept open it, and ran out of memory XD |
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Ingar |
I have 4 sticks of 8GiB DDR4-2400 for sale |
| 09:39 |
independent56 |
For £5? Yes please! |
| 10:00 |
independent56 |
how do i reset all track sections in advtrains? I want to do something litkk "/reset_tcb here 16" or "/reset_tcb *" |
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independent56 |
I need to visit a server which actually uses the bridger mod. it's fustrating trying to copy images. |
| 11:40 |
independent56 |
VanessaE What is that mod in your server that splits unfied inventory into groups so you dont have to resort to searching? |
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calcul0n_ |
independent56, i think pandorabox has the bridger mod |
| 11:46 |
independent56 |
Hmm... will look |
| 11:55 |
VanessaE |
independent56: it's a part of UI. |
| 11:56 |
independent56 |
How do i get it on my server? do i wield it? do i click a download link and do "enable_local_mod_downlaoded_thing = true" |
| 11:57 |
VanessaE |
wat |
| 11:58 |
independent56 |
What do you mean? |
| 11:58 |
independent56 |
Like, how is it part of UI? is it part of the core? |
| 11:58 |
independent56 |
Oh wait sorry, unified invoentory |
| 11:59 |
VanessaE |
Ui as in Unified Inventory, duh :P |
| 11:59 |
independent56 |
So i am running an outdated version? 0_0 |
| 11:59 |
VanessaE |
that categories feature was added in UI git some months ago. |
| 12:01 |
independent56 |
"months" |
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* independent56 |
starts git clone |
| 12:02 |
VanessaE |
commit 6e6383f0821908e762d8fde8a13d7a083a642553 |
| 12:02 |
VanessaE |
Author: Oversword <bionic oversword.co.uk> |
| 12:02 |
VanessaE |
Date: Mon Apr 5 19:07:14 2021 +0100 |
| 12:02 |
VanessaE |
ok so a few months. :) |
| 12:04 |
independent56 |
I am gonna quickly take some of pandora's mods... i like them! |
| 12:05 |
independent56 |
the amount of progress in the tech industry terrifies me /j gtg |
| 12:26 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> "I found this bug in NodeCore alpha" " That's because you're running an outdated version" "But I downloaded this only 2 hours ago?" "That's why you're only 3 versions behind." |
| 12:27 |
VanessaE |
heh |
| 12:30 |
independent56 |
i wish progress was that slow |
| 12:33 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> Slow is the reason NodeCore itself split off from alpha; it used to follow the alpha cycle. The main release only gets updated like every week or two. Major packages should probably consider going to a multiple cycle model like that. |
| 12:33 |
independent56 |
Hmm. |
| 12:34 |
independent56 |
i have got the pandorabox mods i like, and am in the process of copying the world directory so i can test compatibility on the live world. |
| 12:34 |
independent56 |
No players rely on me to have the world online, so i can just run on the live version like it's no big deal |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> If you're calling NodeCore "slow" though then I'd really like to know what package you're comparing it against, because NC is considered like a pathological case for rolling releases... |
| 12:38 |
independent56 |
I was joking. |
| 12:39 |
VanessaE |
note to self: update NC on my server later. it must be 50 versions out-of-date by now :P |
| 12:39 |
independent56 |
XD |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> Oh damn, gitlab's analytics are limited to 2000 commits so I can't see the full data on the dev branch ? |
| 12:40 |
independent56 |
I've just found out about PHP's "easter eggs" (security vulnrabilities). How horrible they truly are. |
| 12:43 |
specing |
Wow, someone still uses gitlab? Get githubbed asap |
| 12:44 |
specing |
you could be supporting the proprietary closed-source monopoly today! |
| 12:47 |
VanessaE |
heh |
| 12:48 |
independent56 |
haha |
| 12:49 |
VanessaE |
it could be worse |
| 12:49 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> I use git; the lab part is just incidental, and I actively avoid any lock-in-esque features. |
| 12:49 |
VanessaE |
he could have chosen notabug or one of those other oddball sites like TenPlus1, or rolled his own like the advrains guys :) |
| 12:52 |
VanessaE |
Warr: to be fair going with a decent site has at least one advantage: a built-in public bug/pull request tracker. |
| 12:53 |
VanessaE |
hosting your own gitxxxx instance means you gotta come up with some other alternative for bugs/PRs, like ancient stuff like a mailing list or something |
| 12:55 |
specing |
url = https://github.com/minetest-mirrors/advtrains.git |
| 12:55 |
specing |
despicable |
| 12:55 |
specing |
some idiot went and started pulling everything to github |
| 12:55 |
specing |
same with /minetest-mods |
| 12:56 |
sfan5 |
giving people the choice to use platforms they want, how horrible |
| 12:57 |
VanessaE |
it IS horrible if the choices offered all suck for the end user :P |
| 12:57 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> If I didn't want people mirroring my stuff then I wouldn't have made it open source. |
| 12:57 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> Specing: always talking down people that dont agree with your views: "despicable" |
| 12:58 |
specing |
No, only on people that are long-term shooting themselves (and everyone else) in the foot |
| 12:59 |
specing |
Warr you misunderstood, it's not about that |
| 13:00 |
independent56 |
Where is this "github pull"? where is the link? |
| 13:00 |
specing |
The point is that someone decided to systematically centralise everything on GitHub, for all of Minetest |
| 13:00 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> Says "mirrors" right in the title, looks pretty clear that mirroring is the goal. |
| 13:00 |
specing |
for all of us |
| 13:00 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> Offering a centralized version of everything sounds great for GH users, assuming they can keep the mirror up to date |
| 13:01 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> Sounds like you're not a GH user so it doesn't really affect you though. You'd just get yours from upstream |
| 13:02 |
specing |
It also makes it convenient to use github, as everything is centralised there and not elsewhere |
| 13:02 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> "Someone decided to systematically centralise everything on GitHub, for all of Minetest" its literally just mirror. Stop trying to project this past that. We all know if it was on gitlab or some other foss platform you most likely wouldnt even be complainimg |
| 13:02 |
specing |
effectively pulling more people into that walled garden |
| 13:03 |
specing |
/minetest-mods actually is systematic centralisation |
| 13:03 |
specing |
I wouldn't be complaining because FOSS platforms aren't walled gardens |
| 13:03 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> Lol, thanks for making my point |
| 13:05 |
specing |
the point being that I'm against walled gardens? |
| 13:08 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> Why do you hate them though? It seems like if it were a user freedom thing then you'd be forced to respect the fact that most users like walled gardens, and some even actively seek them out. If you assume users are not making informed decisions (and you'd be right in many cases but certainly not all) then you projecting your choices onto them is basically what walled gardens do. |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> I don't particularly like walled gardens personally but I respect the rights of users to inflict whatever they choose on themselves, and platforms that serve that need have as much right to exist as any other. |
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sfan5 |
users choosing walled gardens is a step towards having walled gardens and a monopoly, at which point individuals no longer have a choice |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> I think open source has already ironically debunked the hypothesis that proprietary software forms natural monopolies. Ultimately people WANT to create and treating creativity as a scarce resource is basically absurd beyond a certain point. There is no way to control the supply. |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> If they made open source software illegal then we'd just have a lot more illegal software. |
| 13:17 |
independent56 |
1+ |
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rubenwardy |
GitHub isn't a walled garden as git is decentralised and there's open APIs for things like issues |
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rubenwardy |
Although it would be cool if issues had a git repo, like the wikia |
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specing |
fossil has in-repo issues |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> I actually go as far as keeping all my issues in the git repo as plain text files. It also manages prioritization and hierarchical issues naturally that way, and forces me to keep the issues somewhat pruned. |
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rubenwardy |
I'd like there to be some activitypub or federated way to make emails that can handle rich features like line comments |
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rubenwardy |
Would be cool to make PRs between instances |
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rubenwardy |
Email patches suck |
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rubenwardy |
Well, you could hide the emails behind a nice front-end |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> I've used fossil before but it felt like some of their design decisions ... each wiki page is a separate independent history branch, so their wiki effectively reinvents the single worst aspect of CVS... |
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rubenwardy |
Eek a branch per wiki page doesn't make sense |
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rubenwardy |
Git can track history per file |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> I can see SOME logic to it, i.e. since wiki edits generally aren't staged across multiple pages. |
| 14:26 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> I have some wikis where I track history by just capturing snapshots of the database state using git, but that itself is sub-ideal because I miss some intermediate edits between snaps. |
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Pexin |
VanessaE: I find your views on digtrons quaint and hilarious. That is all :] |
| 14:58 |
VanessaE |
KILL KILL KILL KILL |
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VanessaE |
:P |
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specing |
I've calculated that I'd take about 17000 years to digtron the whole map, assuming you do one 16x16 area from the surface to -31000 |
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specing |
quite surprisingly result given how fast they dig |
| 15:04 |
specing |
surprising* |
| 15:05 |
specing |
(with each digtron trip taking around 10 hours) |
| 15:14 |
Pexin |
specing: what delay setting? |
| 15:15 |
Pexin |
too low and it will bug out before completing one pass |
| 15:15 |
specing |
Pexin: 1 node/s (the default) |
| 15:16 |
Pexin |
HAHAHA |
| 15:16 |
specing |
? |
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VanessaE |
the problem with digtrons and such isn't how fast they dig or not. it's that griefers will use them to trash things, and THAT takes time to repair. |
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VanessaE |
even just scarring-up empty terrain |
| 15:23 |
MTDiscord |
<wwar> maybe make them dig stone and materials only? |
| 15:25 |
Pexin |
VanessaE: you must lurve chainsaws |
| 15:25 |
VanessaE |
chainsaws are disabled on my servers :P |
| 15:26 |
VanessaE |
besides, doesn't rollback work for those? |
| 15:26 |
MTDiscord |
<wwar> Doesnt it lag when you enable rollback? I tried rollback once few years ago and it made the server very laggy |
| 15:26 |
VanessaE |
not appreciably so. |
| 15:27 |
Pexin |
the server I play, we tend to think of digtrons more frequently as buildtrons |
| 15:28 |
MTDiscord |
<wwar> I think its better if you try to remove the ways people can use to grief |
| 15:28 |
MTDiscord |
<wwar> Better than waiting them to grief then rollbacking i mean |
| 15:29 |
MTDiscord |
<wwar> For digtrons, if you make them dig the stone and underground materials only, it wont be used to grief again i think |
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MTDiscord |
<wwar> Chainsaws can have range limit for example 20 blocks radius, |
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VanessaE |
right now chainsaws are broken. |
| 15:31 |
MTDiscord |
<wwar> They are? ah, didnt know that, i used them 2 years ago |
| 15:32 |
VanessaE |
yep. |
| 15:33 |
VanessaE |
in a way that I won't describe here until someone more qualified than me verifies a fix ShadowNinja proposed. |
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MTDiscord |
<wwar> I see |
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independent56 |
I love digtrons. they make quick work on terrible viaducts. 1+. |
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independent56 |
acc no... 5+ |
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independent56 |
Is there a homedecor mod, but for space shuttles? i have scifi nodes, and it is a contrast XD |
| 19:08 |
Krock |
!mod space |
| 19:08 |
MinetestBot |
Krock: Subspace Walker Tool [subspacewalker] by bell07 - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=15564 - https://github.com/minetest-mods/subspacewalker |
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independent56 |
https://imgur.com/a/jU0nGdj |
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independent56 |
my spaceship looks wrong with homedecore? |
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MTDiscord |
<wwar> Are devs aware of that bug where, you use a stack of nodes, place them very fast, the stack ends and some extras blocks gets placed too and only the one who placed them can see.. |
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MTDiscord |
<wwar> them |
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sfan5 |
the exact conditions dunno but it's known that client side prediction sometimes can go wrong |
| 20:30 |
MTDiscord |
<wwar> Hm, so does it deserve opening an issue |
| 20:32 |
sfan5 |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/11255 |
| 20:32 |
independent56 |
Well, in all cases it happened to me, they automatically got removed |
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MTDiscord |
<wwar> Seems like what i was mentioning |
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MTDiscord |
<wwar> It doesnt remove for me before 2-3 mins and wifi is good |
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MTDiscord |
<wwar> Seems like the node placing is faster than the thing that checks how many nodes remain in player's inventory to me.. |
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CWz |
I wonder what ever happened to RobbieF and the pixelshadow servers |
| 21:03 |
MTDiscord |
<Benrob0329> Cat5 is still around, but I don't think his daughter ever came back for another season of the web series they were putting together. |
| 21:07 |
MTDiscord |
<Benrob0329> Oh..oh no that was 4 years ago |
| 21:08 |
MTDiscord |
<Benrob0329> 'Scuse me I'm gonna go have an early life crisis now /s |
| 21:29 |
independent56 |
everyone i have talked to IRL about my minetest server was like "oh, so you play minecraft". Then i have to correct them and tell them the (basic) differences. |
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independent56 |
Another thing i find intresting is that people are completely different if you discuss different topics. Once i bring up something, some pople are like "dont talk about it - banned!", But if you say something else, they open up conversation. The best example i have seen is a forum post, where people are angry at me, and a few posts later have very serious discussion about advtrains, one i started. |
| 21:36 |
independent56 |
real/example quotes: "Get your a#& off our", "Yes, i consider your point... but i disagree to this extent" |
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Gustavo6046 |
Hey! |
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Gustavo6046 |
TenPlus1: I think I figured the issue |
| 21:48 |
Gustavo6046 |
Items do not levitate / move upward by themselves |
| 21:48 |
Gustavo6046 |
They just don't check if there is ground beneath them once they are already in the ground state |
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Gustavo6046 |
Oh |
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Gustavo6046 |
they do |
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Gustavo6046 |
It happened once after I gave it a while, items were still on the ground but breaking the block below would have them fall. |
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Gustavo6046 |
Maybe I have to wait more? |
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Gustavo6046 |
Whooa there |
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independent56 |
http://2.26.38.198/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=nature:space What do you think of my theories? |
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MTDiscord |
<j45> Very interesting :P |
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independent56 |
yeah, admins need fun too! |
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MTDiscord |
<j45> I have never heard of a sysadmin(like yourself) that has enough time to write up theories about the universe of a sandbox multiplayer game... This must be a first |
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independent56 |
I'm a 14 yr old. i have plenty |
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