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03:41 erlehmann i think i figured out how to easily add rumble support to minetest
03:41 erlehmann anyone working on that area?
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06:53 specing erlehmann: rumble?
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08:39 independent56 https://imgur.com/a/5eYAPGy I dont get it. i try to make a quadrule track, and avdtrains screws me up.
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09:28 independent56 ahaha i downloaded a map from LF, didnt do anything ecept open it, and ran out of memory XD
09:32 Ingar I have 4 sticks of 8GiB DDR4-2400 for sale
09:39 independent56 For £5? Yes please!
10:00 independent56 how do i reset all track sections in advtrains? I want to do something litkk "/reset_tcb here 16" or "/reset_tcb *"
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11:36 independent56 I need to visit a server which actually uses the bridger mod. it's fustrating trying to copy images.
11:40 independent56 VanessaE What is that mod in your server that splits unfied inventory into groups so you dont have to resort to searching?
11:46 calcul0n_ independent56, i think pandorabox has the bridger mod
11:46 independent56 Hmm... will look
11:55 VanessaE independent56: it's a part of UI.
11:56 independent56 How do i get it on my server? do i wield it? do i click a download link and do "enable_local_mod_downlaoded_thing = true"
11:57 VanessaE wat
11:58 independent56 What do you mean?
11:58 independent56 Like, how is it part of UI? is it part of the core?
11:58 independent56 Oh wait sorry, unified invoentory
11:59 VanessaE Ui as in Unified Inventory, duh :P
11:59 independent56 So i am running an outdated version? 0_0
11:59 VanessaE that categories feature was added in UI git some months ago.
12:01 independent56 "months"
12:02 * independent56 starts git clone
12:02 VanessaE commit 6e6383f0821908e762d8fde8a13d7a083a642553
12:02 VanessaE Author: Oversword <bionic@oversword.co.uk>
12:02 VanessaE Date:   Mon Apr 5 19:07:14 2021 +0100
12:02 VanessaE ok so a few months. :)
12:04 independent56 I am gonna quickly take some of pandora's mods... i like them!
12:05 independent56 the amount of progress in the tech industry terrifies me /j gtg
12:26 MTDiscord <Warr1024> "I found this bug in NodeCore alpha" " That's because you're running an outdated version" "But I downloaded this only 2 hours ago?" "That's why you're only 3 versions behind."
12:27 VanessaE heh
12:30 independent56 i wish progress was that slow
12:33 MTDiscord <Warr1024> Slow is the reason NodeCore itself split off from alpha; it used to follow the alpha cycle.  The main release only gets updated like every week or two.  Major packages should probably consider going to a multiple cycle model like that.
12:33 independent56 Hmm.
12:34 independent56 i have got the pandorabox mods i like, and am in the process of copying the world directory so i can test compatibility on the live world.
12:34 independent56 No players rely on me to have the world online, so i can just run on the live version like it's no big deal
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12:36 MTDiscord <Warr1024> If you're calling NodeCore "slow" though then I'd really like to know what package you're comparing it against, because NC is considered like a pathological case for rolling releases...
12:38 independent56 I was joking.
12:39 VanessaE note to self: update NC on my server later.  it must be 50 versions out-of-date by now :P
12:39 independent56 XD
12:39 MTDiscord <Warr1024> Oh damn, gitlab's analytics are limited to 2000 commits so I can't see the full data on the dev branch 🙄
12:40 independent56 I've just found out about PHP's "easter eggs" (security vulnrabilities). How horrible they truly are.
12:43 specing Wow, someone still uses gitlab? Get githubbed asap
12:44 specing you could be supporting the proprietary closed-source monopoly today!
12:47 VanessaE heh
12:48 independent56 haha
12:49 VanessaE it could be worse
12:49 MTDiscord <Warr1024> I use git; the lab part is just incidental, and I actively avoid any lock-in-esque features.
12:49 VanessaE he could have chosen notabug or one of those other oddball sites like TenPlus1, or rolled his own like the advrains guys :)
12:52 VanessaE Warr: to be fair going with a decent site has at least one advantage: a built-in public bug/pull request tracker.
12:53 VanessaE hosting your own gitxxxx instance means you gotta come up with some other alternative for bugs/PRs, like ancient stuff like a mailing list or something
12:55 specing url = https://github.com/minetest-mirrors/advtrains.git
12:55 specing despicable
12:55 specing some idiot went and started pulling everything to github
12:55 specing same with /minetest-mods
12:56 sfan5 giving people the choice to use platforms they want, how horrible
12:57 VanessaE it IS horrible if the choices offered all suck for the end user :P
12:57 MTDiscord <Warr1024> If I didn't want people mirroring my stuff then I wouldn't have made it open source.
12:57 MTDiscord <Jonathon> Specing: always talking down people that dont agree with your views: "despicable"
12:58 specing No, only on people that are long-term shooting themselves (and everyone else) in the foot
12:59 specing Warr you misunderstood, it's not about that
13:00 independent56 Where is this "github pull"? where is the link?
13:00 specing The point is that someone decided to systematically centralise everything on GitHub, for all of Minetest
13:00 MTDiscord <Warr1024> Says "mirrors" right in the title, looks pretty clear that mirroring is the goal.
13:00 specing for all of us
13:00 MTDiscord <Warr1024> Offering a centralized version of everything sounds great for GH users, assuming they can keep the mirror up to date
13:01 MTDiscord <Warr1024> Sounds like you're not a GH user so it doesn't really affect you though.  You'd just get yours from upstream
13:02 specing It also makes it convenient to use github, as everything is centralised there and not elsewhere
13:02 MTDiscord <Jonathon> "Someone decided to systematically centralise everything on GitHub, for all of Minetest" its literally just mirror. Stop trying to project this past that. We all know if it was on gitlab or some other foss platform you most likely wouldnt even be complainimg
13:02 specing effectively pulling more people into that walled garden
13:03 specing /minetest-mods actually is systematic centralisation
13:03 specing I wouldn't be complaining because FOSS platforms aren't walled gardens
13:03 MTDiscord <Jonathon> Lol, thanks for making my point
13:05 specing the point being that I'm against walled gardens?
13:08 MTDiscord <Warr1024> Why do you hate them though?  It seems like if it were a user freedom thing then you'd be forced to respect the fact that most users like walled gardens, and some even actively seek them out.  If you assume users are not making informed decisions (and you'd be right in many cases but certainly not all) then you projecting your choices onto them is basically what walled gardens do.
13:09 MTDiscord <Warr1024> I don't particularly like walled gardens personally but I respect the rights of users to inflict whatever they choose on themselves, and platforms that serve that need have as much right to exist as any other.
13:11 sfan5 users choosing walled gardens is a step towards having walled gardens and a monopoly, at which point individuals no longer have a choice
13:13 MTDiscord <Warr1024> I think open source has already ironically debunked the hypothesis that proprietary software forms natural monopolies.  Ultimately people WANT to create and treating creativity as a scarce resource is basically absurd beyond a certain point.  There is no way to control the supply.
13:13 MTDiscord <Warr1024> If they made open source software illegal then we'd just have a lot more illegal software.
13:17 independent56 1+
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14:19 rubenwardy GitHub isn't a walled garden as git is decentralised and there's open APIs for things like issues
14:20 rubenwardy Although it would be cool if issues had a git repo, like the wikia
14:20 specing fossil has in-repo issues
14:21 MTDiscord <Warr1024> I actually go as far as keeping all my issues in the git repo as plain text files.  It also manages prioritization and hierarchical issues naturally that way, and forces me to keep the issues somewhat pruned.
14:21 rubenwardy I'd like there to be some activitypub or federated way to make emails that can handle rich features like line comments
14:21 rubenwardy Would be cool to make PRs between instances
14:21 rubenwardy Email patches suck
14:22 rubenwardy Well, you could hide the emails behind a nice front-end
14:22 MTDiscord <Warr1024> I've used fossil before but it felt like some of their design decisions ... each wiki page is a separate independent history branch, so their wiki effectively reinvents the single worst aspect of CVS...
14:23 rubenwardy Eek a branch per wiki page doesn't make sense
14:23 rubenwardy Git can track history per file
14:26 MTDiscord <Warr1024> I can see SOME logic to it, i.e. since wiki edits generally aren't staged across multiple pages.
14:26 MTDiscord <Warr1024> I have some wikis where I track history by just capturing snapshots of the database state using git, but that itself is sub-ideal because I miss some intermediate edits between snaps.
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14:57 Pexin VanessaE: I find your views on digtrons quaint and hilarious. That is all   :]
14:58 VanessaE KILL KILL KILL KILL
14:58 VanessaE :P
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15:03 specing I've calculated that I'd take about 17000 years to digtron the whole map, assuming you do one 16x16 area from the surface to -31000
15:04 specing quite surprisingly result given how fast they dig
15:04 specing surprising*
15:05 specing (with each digtron trip taking around 10 hours)
15:14 Pexin specing: what delay setting?
15:15 Pexin too low and it will bug out before completing one pass
15:15 specing Pexin: 1 node/s (the default)
15:16 Pexin HAHAHA
15:16 specing ?
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15:20 VanessaE the problem with digtrons and such isn't how fast they dig or not.  it's that griefers will use them to trash things, and THAT takes time to repair.
15:20 VanessaE even just scarring-up empty terrain
15:23 MTDiscord <wwar> maybe make them dig stone and materials only?
15:25 Pexin VanessaE: you must lurve chainsaws
15:25 VanessaE chainsaws are disabled on my servers :P
15:26 VanessaE besides, doesn't rollback work for those?
15:26 MTDiscord <wwar> Doesnt it lag when you enable rollback? I tried rollback once few years ago and it made the server very laggy
15:26 VanessaE not appreciably so.
15:27 Pexin the server I play, we tend to think of digtrons more frequently as buildtrons
15:28 MTDiscord <wwar> I think its better if you try to remove the ways people can use to grief
15:28 MTDiscord <wwar> Better than waiting them to grief then rollbacking i mean
15:29 MTDiscord <wwar> For digtrons, if you make them dig the stone and underground materials only, it wont be used to grief again i think
15:30 MTDiscord <wwar> Chainsaws can have range limit for example 20 blocks radius,
15:31 VanessaE right now chainsaws are broken.
15:31 MTDiscord <wwar> They are? ah, didnt know that, i used them 2 years ago
15:32 VanessaE yep.
15:33 VanessaE in a way that I won't describe here until someone more qualified than me verifies a fix ShadowNinja proposed.
15:33 MTDiscord <wwar> I see
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18:05 independent56 I love digtrons. they make quick work on terrible viaducts. 1+.
18:05 independent56 acc no... 5+
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19:08 independent56 Is there a homedecor mod, but for space shuttles? i have scifi nodes, and it is a contrast XD
19:08 Krock !mod space
19:08 MinetestBot Krock: Subspace Walker Tool [subspacewalker] by bell07 - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=15564 - https://github.com/minetest-mods/subspacewalker
19:11 independent56 https://imgur.com/a/jU0nGdj
19:11 independent56 my spaceship looks wrong with homedecore?
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20:28 MTDiscord <wwar> Are devs aware of that bug where, you use a stack of nodes, place them very fast, the stack ends and some extras blocks gets placed too and only the one who placed them can see..
20:28 MTDiscord <wwar> them
20:30 sfan5 the exact conditions dunno but it's known that client side prediction sometimes can go wrong
20:30 MTDiscord <wwar> Hm, so does it deserve opening an issue
20:32 sfan5 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/11255
20:32 independent56 Well, in all cases it happened to me, they automatically got removed
20:33 MTDiscord <wwar> Seems like what i was mentioning
20:33 MTDiscord <wwar> It doesnt remove for me before 2-3 mins and wifi is good
20:36 MTDiscord <wwar> Seems like the node placing is faster than the thing that checks how many nodes remain in player's inventory to me..
20:48 CWz I wonder what ever happened to RobbieF and the pixelshadow servers
21:03 MTDiscord <Benrob0329> Cat5 is still around, but I don't think his daughter ever came back for another season of the web series they were putting together.
21:07 MTDiscord <Benrob0329> Oh..oh no that was 4 years ago
21:08 MTDiscord <Benrob0329> 'Scuse me I'm gonna go have an early life crisis now /s
21:29 independent56 everyone i have talked to IRL about my minetest server was like "oh, so you play minecraft". Then i have to correct them and tell them the (basic) differences.
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21:33 independent56 Another thing i find intresting is that people are completely different if you discuss different topics. Once i bring up something, some pople are like "dont talk about it - banned!",  But if you say something else, they open up conversation. The best example i have seen is a forum post, where people are angry at me, and a few posts later have very serious discussion about advtrains, one i started.
21:36 independent56 real/example quotes: "Get your a#& off our", "Yes, i consider your point... but i disagree to this extent"
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21:48 Gustavo6046 Hey!
21:48 Gustavo6046 TenPlus1: I think I figured the issue
21:48 Gustavo6046 Items do not levitate / move upward by themselves
21:48 Gustavo6046 They just don't check if there is ground beneath them once they are already in the ground state
21:48 Gustavo6046 Oh
21:48 Gustavo6046 they do
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21:49 Gustavo6046 It happened once after I gave it a while, items were still on the ground but breaking the block below would have them fall.
21:49 Gustavo6046 Maybe I have to wait more?
21:49 Gustavo6046 Whooa there
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21:54 independent56 http://2.26.38.198/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=nature:space What do you think of my theories?
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22:01 MTDiscord <j45> Very interesting :P
22:01 independent56 yeah, admins need fun too!
22:04 MTDiscord <j45> I have never heard of a sysadmin(like yourself) that has enough time to write up theories about the universe of a sandbox multiplayer game... This must be a first
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22:28 independent56 I'm a 14 yr old. i have plenty
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