| Time |
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| 00:01 |
luizsabino |
MinetestBot thank you, I see this pdf, but it's old, my router dont has the same options like fowarding port just virtual server and dmz, I setup both and doesn't work |
| 00:02 |
entuland |
eheehh, the bot taking all the credit :P |
| 00:02 |
entuland |
what's your router model? |
| 00:03 |
luizsabino |
:') entuland I'm noob, sorry |
| 00:03 |
entuland |
np :) |
| 00:03 |
luizsabino |
my router is TOTOLINK A3002R v2 |
| 00:05 |
luizsabino |
I'm start the server on terminal with minetest --server --worldname My World --terminal. Is right? |
| 00:05 |
entuland |
the world name may not be okay |
| 00:05 |
entuland |
the sample in the page I linked mentions "world_name" |
| 00:05 |
luizsabino |
at localnetwork I connect |
| 00:06 |
entuland |
oh okay, so it's not like the name should not have spaces or the alike |
| 00:06 |
entuland |
if that works, then the issue is likely in the port forwarding |
| 00:06 |
entuland |
which you seem not having managed to do |
| 00:07 |
entuland |
I checked the docs there but there is nothing specific for that version |
| 00:08 |
entuland |
check this one: https://www.totolink.net/data/upload/20190830/c3858219dc994df2396bb0fc0e4457e3.pdf |
| 00:08 |
entuland |
see if it matches with your router admin interface |
| 00:09 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> you can have spaces in a name but you need to know how to quote things so that the command line knows the difference between spaces in things and spaces between things |
| 00:10 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> Port forwarding is often a mess, and often very hardware-specific and sometimes ISP-specific such that it's very hard to get outside help beyond testing and telling you if it works or not. |
| 00:11 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> I know at least one person who's behind strict NAT at the ISP level and thus is literally unable to open forwarded ports, and the MT server he runs at home relies on a VPN connection. |
| 00:12 |
entuland |
fun times... sigh |
| 00:12 |
entuland |
on some routers I had to telnet to even be able to change the DNS |
| 00:12 |
luizsabino |
entuland yes, I do like the pdf shows. |
| 00:12 |
entuland |
and I was lucky that such commands weren't even blocked |
| 00:13 |
luizsabino |
@MT |
| 00:13 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> One thing you can do is try hosting something that's not MT, like a web server, and see if you can forward a port to that |
| 00:13 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> that at least will help you differentiate between whether it's the network or the MT setup that's your problem |
| 00:13 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> though of course that also assumes you have some idea how to set up some other kind of server |
| 00:13 |
entuland |
they were able to connect locally, so I guess the MT server is running properly |
| 00:14 |
entuland |
despite the lack of quoting around the name with space |
| 00:14 |
luizsabino |
MTDiscord I understand you, something like lamp? |
| 00:14 |
entuland |
s |
| 00:14 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> "locally" as in "same machine" or "different machine on same local network" |
| 00:14 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> it could also be a host-level firewall thing |
| 00:15 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> MTDiscord is the name of the relay bot; ya gotta look at the name after that |
| 00:15 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> Presumably it wouldn't be worth someone's trouble to pretend to be a bridge bot by just typing another nickname at the beginning of everything they say |
| 00:15 |
luizsabino |
sorry |
| 00:16 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> np, just warning you so you don't get confused when it starts looking like MTDiscord is arguing with itself |
| 00:16 |
entuland |
MTDiscord++ :P |
| 00:16 |
MTDiscord |
<entuland> entuland, shut up |
| 00:16 |
luizsabino |
I have a server at laptop and I connect from my phone, it's ok. But I need to be able to connect external my network |
| 00:17 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> okay, good, that means MT okay, and host firewall okay, only the router to worry about... |
| 00:17 |
entuland |
work out the port forwarding first, now that you have the correct instructions |
| 00:17 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> router and ISP I guess :-/ |
| 00:17 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> if it's being blocked at the ISP level then that is extra annoying and the options to work around it get pretty lousy. |
| 00:17 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> I rarely see that though... |
| 00:19 |
luizsabino |
this is my conf at router https://imgur.com/qgXtsfk |
| 00:20 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> Do you have the correct external IP? |
| 00:20 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> you go to like a whatismyip.com to get it |
| 00:20 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> also "service type HTTP" looks weird next to "port 30000" and "protocol UDP" so I'm hoping that's just a label and doesn't imply any kind of like protocol analysis or anything. |
| 00:22 |
entuland |
probably it's just to autofill the ports |
| 00:22 |
entuland |
the protocol should be correctly set to UDP |
| 00:22 |
luizsabino |
yes I get, it's a dynamic ip but I allways check before test |
| 00:22 |
entuland |
if you got the internal IP right as well, and if your ISP isn't doing dodgy things, you should be good to go |
| 00:23 |
luizsabino |
about the http I guess weird too there is others options |
| 00:23 |
luizsabino |
I suspect about ISP |
| 00:23 |
entuland |
you tried already after doing those changes and it's still not working? |
| 00:25 |
luizsabino |
yes since yesterday |
| 00:25 |
luizsabino |
there is more options instead http https://imgur.com/XBWV2Ns |
| 00:27 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> one thing I might try is an external port scan service. I know grc.com has a port scan called "Shields Up" that will scan at least the first like 1024 ports or so and tell you which ones are open, closed, or "stealth" (no response) |
| 00:27 |
entuland |
sorry, I'm still not sure whether you tried _now_ after setting up the port forwarding |
| 00:28 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> if you can get your ports to mostly show up one way, like closed, but a few of them come back as no response, then your ISP is probably blacklisting specific ports. A lot of them do that with the Windows File Sharing ports and stuff |
| 00:28 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> Yeah, you should probably retest now just to make sure your problem is still a problem. Make sure you get a fresh IP. |
| 00:29 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> IIRC you can get a free dynamic DNS name from minetest.land or something so you don't have to keep telling players new IP addresses every time yours changes |
| 00:30 |
Hawk777 |
The GRC scan also lets you enter custom ports, but I don’t know if it will do UDP or only TCP. |
| 00:32 |
luizsabino |
I'm at GRC |
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luizsabino |
I don't know about this result |
| 00:35 |
entuland |
that website may not be probing those UDP ports |
| 00:36 |
luizsabino |
Please, see the result https://imgur.com/7a656Hn |
| 00:36 |
entuland |
google "udp port test", you should get plenty of online services |
| 00:37 |
entuland |
so that you can check the specific port you're opening |
| 00:39 |
luizsabino |
if I want to host a server, what kind I should to find? VPS? |
| 00:41 |
entuland |
no idea, sorry |
| 00:41 |
entuland |
port scanning gave any result? |
| 00:43 |
Edgy1 |
what does response code 429 mean |
| 00:43 |
entuland |
too many requests |
| 00:44 |
rubenwardy |
https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTTP/Status/429 |
| 00:44 |
Edgy1 |
I keep getting that on a new server |
| 00:44 |
Edgy1 |
have seen it on some others too |
| 00:44 |
Edgy1 |
perhaps I've exceded the limit? |
| 00:46 |
Edgy1 |
perhaps i should bind a few to a different IP |
| 00:56 |
MTDiscord |
<entuland> Running any mods? |
| 00:57 |
MTDiscord |
<entuland> (assuming it may even make a difference) |
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ghoti |
Edgy1: to be clear, were you getting a 429 error from *minetest*, or some other HTTP service? |
| 03:31 |
Edgy1 |
ghoti: servers.minetest.net |
| 03:31 |
Edgy1 |
I had too many servers announcing same bind. I bound some to a different IP and the problem went away |
| 03:32 |
Edgy1 |
almost all my domains are portable, thankfully |
| 03:36 |
ghoti |
Ah, so you ran afoul of a rate limit in nginx. I don't know what protection servers.minetest.net has, but it's nice to see that it's not nothing. :) |
| 03:36 |
ghoti |
I recall nginx having "limit_req_status" and "limit_conn_status" controls which are easy to set up. |
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sfan5 |
@entuland btw, trying to probe UDP ports via scanning is rarely useful |
| 06:28 |
sfan5 |
it is possible and might work |
| 06:28 |
sfan5 |
but almost always you're better of testing if Minetest responds using !up |
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sfan5 |
off* |
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independent_ |
i find it funny that i use vodafone, and so does ywang XD and it's not even a monopoly XD |
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entuland |
thanks for the info, sfan5, but I'm not sure what command is that |
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sfan5 |
belongs to MinetestBot |
| 09:05 |
sfan5 |
!up ctf.rubenwardy.com:30001 |
| 09:05 |
MinetestBot |
ctf.rubenwardy.com:30001 is up (24ms) (IPv6) |
| 09:08 |
entuland |
ah, nice |
| 09:13 |
entuland |
!tell luizsabino you can use MinetestBot to check your server, run this without quotes in this channel or /msg Minetest bot directly: "!up your_public_ip_or_domain:30000" (suggested by sfan5) |
| 09:13 |
MinetestBot |
entuland: I'll pass that on when luizsabino is around |
| 09:13 |
entuland |
argh, I misspelled MinetestBot |
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sfan5 |
I'm sure they'll figure it out |
| 09:41 |
entuland |
eh, I wanted to get it right cause they were getting confused by messages relayed by MTDiscord yesternight :P |
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erlehmann |
does minetest have a maximum number of entities? |
| 13:59 |
sfan5 |
2^16 |
| 14:00 |
sfan5 |
without protocol changes a server could be modified to infinite entities as long as not more than 2^16 are visibile to any given client |
| 14:01 |
sfan5 |
this is assuming you mean "number of entity instances in active blocks" |
| 14:02 |
celeron55 |
if you mean types of lua-defined entities, i think you're just limited by memory |
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MTDiscord |
<Liso> I guess 65.536 different visible entities is good enough xD |
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MTDiscord |
<IhrFussel> sfan5, what do you mean? What's the limit right now then? I thought that limit already only applies to visible/loaded entities |
| 14:23 |
MTDiscord |
<IhrFussel> Don't tell me there is some hardcoded max value of entities stored in the DB |
| 14:24 |
sfan5 |
there isn't |
| 14:24 |
MTDiscord |
<IhrFussel> Then why did you mention that a server would have to be modified in order to only count visible entities |
| 14:25 |
MTDiscord |
<IhrFussel> Does it count entities per server session by default? |
| 14:25 |
sfan5 |
??? |
| 14:26 |
MTDiscord |
<IhrFussel> "without protocol changes a server could be modified to infinite entities as long as not more than 2^16 are visibile to any given client" << |
| 14:26 |
sfan5 |
it would be possible to modify the server to have more than 2^16 loaded entities, without modifying the protocol |
| 14:27 |
MTDiscord |
<IhrFussel> OKay but in any case the server only counts visible ones towards the limit then? |
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sfan5 |
only visible/loaded entities count toward 2^16 like I said |
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celeron55 |
the global active object id value is 16 bit, and entities exist as active objects when they're not stored in a mapblock in their static saved state |
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celeron55 |
when they're saved and inactive, they don't have an id at all |
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celeron55 |
(except that a mod might give them an unique id for identification purposes) |
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erlehmann |
hey what is a regex to capture coords from logs for censorship? |
| 16:33 |
erlehmann |
i mean |
| 16:33 |
erlehmann |
redaction |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> shouldn't be hard to do something like ((-?\d+)[,\s]+){2}(-?\d+) |
| 16:34 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> I wrote a tool that scrapes logs, finds all coordinates, and then prints out lines where the matching coordinates are within a certain distance of input coords, i.e. for finding stuff that happened near a place |
| 16:34 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> redacting logs is pretty easy though, I just use logrotate. |
| 16:37 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> To submit a request to have your info purged from the logs on my server, you just need to write your request on a slip of paper, light a pentagram of candles in a darkened room, and then burn your request in the very center. Your request will be completed within 5 days. |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> Also on a side note the log retention period for my server is 5 days. |
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erlehmann |
<Warr1024> shouldn't be hard to do something like ((-?\d+)[,\s]+){2}(-?\d+) |
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erlehmann |
LOL |
| 17:13 |
erlehmann |
that does not work |
| 17:13 |
erlehmann |
and yes |
| 17:13 |
erlehmann |
everyone thinks it is easy |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> It IS easy, it's just not SO easy that I can do it for you without actually looking at the problem. |
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erlehmann |
the problem is to redact coordinates in server logs |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> The nasty part is probably accounting for various different format variations, like the different delimiters between numbers, parens, spacing, decimals and negatives, etc. |
| 17:15 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> Yeah, so go solve it |
| 17:16 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> and then once you do THEN maybe someone will have a regex to capture coords from logs. |
| 17:16 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> I don't have your logs, and I don't know what-all mods you have or how they present coordinates in custom log messages, so I can't really do anything from here other than give you a direction to look. |
| 17:16 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> that regex I gave you is probably a decent starting point and will catch some of the things, so you just need to adjust it to capture the rest |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> It's probably a problem that has been solved before, but the people who solved it never published their results, and nobody would know where to look for them anyway even if they did. |
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independent_ |
pls help pls, i have error and need help pls https://pastebin.com/fvHs3rPm |
| 20:13 |
sfan5 |
advtrains doesn't seem happy with a truncated or otherwise damaged file |
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y5nw |
Report that to the advtrains mailing list |
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y5nw |
independent_: try disabling strict loading. That was a known bug under Windows (afaik it has been fixed now) |
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independent_ |
im not using windows and i dont know where and how? what is the config name? |
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y5nw |
Also for whatever reason the file descriptor(?) apparently gave nil when reading a line |
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y5nw |
independent_: minetest.conf |
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y5nw |
Switching to mobile |
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y5nw |
independent_: apparently you got an empty file, and serialize_lib does not like not having a header at all, I suppose |
| 20:22 |
independent_ |
so... what is the setting name? |
| 20:23 |
y5nw |
serialize_lib_strict_loading |
| 20:23 |
independent_ |
thx |
| 20:23 |
y5nw |
Except I just realized it might not help |
| 20:23 |
independent_ |
moment of truth.... |
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independent_ |
loading my huge list of mods... |
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y5nw |
Apparently if you disable strict loading you end up either loading .new or an empty table |
| 20:26 |
independent_ |
i think it skipped the error, with soem red text and continuation |
| 20:27 |
y5nw |
You should probably go ahead and read the warnings |
| 20:27 |
independent_ |
yay, conenction established! |
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independent_ |
did, nothing important to me. https://pastebin.com/20MFu9uP |
| 20:28 |
independent_ |
aye, i fucking messed up |
| 20:28 |
y5nw |
I literally told you that about a minute ago ... |
| 20:29 |
independent_ |
no, not that. the map.sqlite broke |
| 20:29 |
independent_ |
all my old areas no longer exist ;_; |
| 20:29 |
independent_ |
and i have likely overwritten the only version, unless i unzip a ZIP and see what exists of my server |
| 20:32 |
y5nw |
I could try to make a mod that tries to restore data from corrupt/incomplete advtrains data, but that would be way later as I already have enough things to do and I don't think such a backup recovery mod would go very far in particular |
| 20:32 |
independent_ |
especially with my nonexistent knowladge of mienetst modding |
| 20:33 |
y5nw |
Time to learn MT modding then |
| 20:33 |
independent_ |
"and the award of ths stupidest mientest server admin goes to.... 56independent for almost losing the map or overwriting it" |
| 20:34 |
y5nw |
Not really. Once I literally did "rm -rf *" in my home directory ... (wasn't intentional though, and I ended up restoring from a backup and partly with testdisk IIRC) |
| 20:35 |
independent_ |
well... i dont think you are an admin, knowing how you are an active moderator of the laggiest server in all of minetest (although 56i-server is racing to try to win) |
| 20:37 |
y5nw |
minetest.register_globalstep(function() while true do end) -- Problem solved |
| 20:37 |
independent_ |
does that disable minetest from doing anything? |
| 20:38 |
y5nw |
No, except it just hangs the server since that thing infinitely loops (can't test it right now though) |
| 20:39 |
independent_ |
haha XD, laggiest server |
| 20:39 |
independent_ |
i mean //playable//, but also //not playable//. |
| 20:40 |
y5nw |
Also I did host a MT server for a while, except it was mostly private (it was publicly accessible but had a default password and was not on the serverlist) |
| 20:41 |
independent_ |
hmm... a bit like me, just that it is publicly availible, but not on the server list. |
| 20:41 |
independent_ |
i think im going to cry as i have lost all of my progress online. i have lost the slow lowlands plot, and smallchurch. until i found the map,sqlite wich ws inide my trash |
| 20:41 |
y5nw |
Plus, I'm quite sure there are more laggy servers than the ones I play on |
| 20:41 |
independent_ |
*find |
| 20:41 |
independent_ |
XD yeah |
| 20:44 |
y5nw |
I was forced to make a backup (no, I don't do backups particularly often either) earlier today after I noticed (or, KDE, which apparently now has a disk status check) that the hard drive I use for /home might fail soon-ish |
| 20:45 |
independent_ |
i aim to make daily backups, using cron |
| 20:46 |
independent_ |
but i failed, and thus didnt lose a day of progres, an entire week of progress. |
| 20:47 |
y5nw |
Afaik there are enough automated backup softwares out there if you are too lazy to make backups yourself, and I would recommend backing up to a different drive than the one you use for your MT world |
| 20:48 |
y5nw |
and/or use RAID (I personally don't have experience with that though, but afaik it helps) |
| 20:49 |
independent_ |
i use my webbook as the server, and use scp+crotnab to pick up the crontab bakcups made on the webbooks |
| 20:49 |
independent_ |
i should automagically delete old backups, but then thats effort. effort i dont want to do. |
| 20:51 |
y5nw |
Or compress them on the remote server (assuming the scp server you use can handle that amount of compression) |
| 20:52 |
independent_ |
i do, (relativelY) locally. i zip, then take the zip over |
| 20:53 |
y5nw |
There are also backup softwares that do incremental backups |
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y5nw |
independent_: my experience is that xz and zstd produce better results (I haven't systematically tested that though, I simply concluded that after archiving some of my random stuff a while ago and noticed it) |
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independent56 |
i made this joke https://pastebin.com/kE4hzr0s |
| 21:00 |
independent56 |
pleas laugh |
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y5nw |
Coincidentally I was working a bit earlier today on a patch to replace Arabic numerals woth Babylonian numerals :P |
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y5nw |
s/woth/with/ |
| 21:06 |
independent56 |
it was a cheesy joke i made in chemistry, text coming soon |
| 21:07 |
independent56 |
https://pastebin.com/8w6Jc2Ge |
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https://pastebin.com/DYEJmHLx yes, i am looking for map.sqlite in exactly the wrong way. but it will eventually work. |
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honestly.... was the map.sqlite staring in my face all day long? |
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im testing,,,, god i hope it works.... |
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aye, this is nothing like the previous drama. this time i ahve to claim full responsibility, and i have full access to the holder of all my work. |
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haha, my backups are compound. they contain previous backups :man_facepalming: |
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well goodnight, and i feel sad for the loss of map.sqlite |
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http://2.26.38.198/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=downtime:migration_failure |
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here is the page about this mistake, so you can get a better overview. |
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https://pastebin.com/Hg2um1f4 |
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