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Swift110-mobile |
Hey a |
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Swift110-mobile |
Hey all |
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erlehmann |
why are there no discussions about cheating in minetest forums |
| 08:49 |
erlehmann |
i want to improve anticheat |
| 08:49 |
erlehmann |
but i was told discussing cheating is banned? |
| 08:49 |
erlehmann |
in particular, i want to forbid flying |
| 08:51 |
erlehmann |
sfan5 what do you think of discussing ways how to cheat and how to react to that |
| 08:51 |
erlehmann |
i only found it on issue tracker somehow |
| 08:51 |
erlehmann |
funniest thing i found was a suggestion to generate ores only at surface |
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rubenwardy |
Discussing cheating is fine, promoting ready made tools isn't |
| 08:51 |
erlehmann |
to frustrate xray hackers |
| 08:51 |
rubenwardy |
I don't necessarily agree with this rule |
| 08:52 |
erlehmann |
lol so that is why there are no results for "dragonfire" or "waspsaliva" on the forums |
| 08:52 |
erlehmann |
i mean no useful results |
| 08:52 |
rubenwardy |
I think it's not very useful as anyone who wants to cheat will just Google it anyway |
| 08:52 |
erlehmann |
yeah i think too |
| 08:52 |
erlehmann |
or just read the source |
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erlehmann |
i mean |
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erlehmann |
bool checkPrivilege(const std::string &priv) const |
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erlehmann |
- { return (m_privileges.count(priv) != 0); } |
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erlehmann |
+ { |
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erlehmann |
+ return true; |
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erlehmann |
+ // (m_privileges.count(priv) != 0); |
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erlehmann |
+ } |
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erlehmann |
:D |
| 08:53 |
erlehmann |
that is kinda easy to work out |
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erlehmann |
but the question is how to deal with it |
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erlehmann |
and that is complex |
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erlehmann |
rubenwardy i recently found a bug where i could drop a specific item and cheat client waspsaliva would crash, that was funny |
| 08:54 |
erlehmann |
i mean i reported it and it was fixed |
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rubenwardy |
Hack clients are often also hacky |
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MTDiscord |
<Danil_2461> ? |
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erlehmann |
rubenwardy so if i post that example, do you think i would be banned from the forums? |
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| 10:37 |
whosit |
is having "map saving" 100-200ms long every 5 seconds considered normal? |
| 10:43 |
entuland |
I guess you could change those settings, but somewhere you have to store the map changes not to lose them if something goes south |
| 10:44 |
entuland |
the point is whether it's freezes the game or not, regardless of how much the save takes |
| 10:44 |
entuland |
s/it's/it |
| 10:44 |
whosit |
why it's not async from the game loop? |
| 10:44 |
entuland |
that I don't know |
| 10:46 |
whosit |
the 100-200ms is for server running postgres backend |
| 10:46 |
whosit |
and it does the timestep lag / freeze thing |
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erlehmann |
rubenwardy to whom can i talk about improving anticheat? there is no way i can discuss anticheat without explaining cheats |
| 11:09 |
erlehmann |
rubenwardy if i can't do it on the forums, i can only … talk to the authors of cheat clients, which i am doing lol |
| 11:09 |
erlehmann |
they have little interest in better anticheat though |
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erlehmann |
though i have |
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erlehmann |
bc anticheat is stupid enough to break trampolins and mesecon piston teleport |
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rubenwardy |
You're not going to get banned without warning |
| 11:11 |
rubenwardy |
sfan and krock are probably the people to talk to |
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erlehmann |
ok thx |
| 11:12 |
erlehmann |
rubenwardy i am pretty sure if i link to dragonfire or waspsaliva code i risk a ban |
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erlehmann |
or even show a snippet as the one above |
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erlehmann |
rationale: the rules say intentions do not count |
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erlehmann |
btw, "beware the dark" is a pretty funny way to discourage nocip and flying |
| 11:20 |
erlehmann |
(bc ppl who do that also have fullbright) |
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erlehmann |
(and bc the sky is dark) |
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AntumDeluge |
I don't see an option to adjust the label on an image button ( http://minetest.gitlab.io/minetest/formspec/#image_buttonxywhtexture-namenamelabel ). Is this not possible? |
| 19:42 |
AntumDeluge |
I mean obviously I can just leave the image label empty & add another label over it. Was just curious if it were possible to do it from the image_button options. |
| 19:44 |
entuland |
yep, I don't think you have control over it |
| 19:47 |
AntumDeluge |
k, thanks. |
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MTDiscord |
<entuland> yw |
| 19:48 |
entuland |
dang I should avoid posting from discord in this channel |
| 19:48 |
sfan5 |
why |
| 19:49 |
entuland |
because ping & startle myself :P |
| 19:50 |
entuland |
it's like an I/O conflict, I don't expect to get the ping immediately after I send a message :P |
| 19:50 |
erlehmann |
sfan5 hi. if i want to discuss how cheat clients work and possible anticheat improvements on a more persistent platform than here, where to do it? i do not want to get banned on minetest forums. |
| 19:50 |
erlehmann |
sfan5 i ask you because you are definitely not a cheat client advocate |
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MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> The bridge is supposed to prevent self-pinging, but I wouldnt be surprised if it doesnt work |
| 19:51 |
entuland |
oh the ping happened on the HexChat client |
| 19:51 |
entuland |
not on Discord |
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MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> I know |
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erlehmann |
entuland highlight? |
| 19:51 |
entuland |
yes |
| 19:51 |
MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> Its supposed to add a special invisible character to the nick on the IRC side to prevent self-pinging |
| 19:52 |
entuland |
can't tell, the message above is marked as if someone else sent a message pinging me |
| 19:52 |
sfan5 |
erlehmann: idk I guess github? |
| 19:52 |
entuland |
the "entuland" word above is also treated exactly as my handle, I can right click it, get a context menu and so forth |
| 19:53 |
erlehmann |
sfan5 yeah ok then not i guess. github hellbanned me once accidentally, i may have made too many commits or something. |
| 19:53 |
erlehmann |
not using it except if i get paid |
| 19:54 |
erlehmann |
sfan5 can you explain the history behind the "no talking about cheats" thing though? |
| 19:54 |
erlehmann |
it sounds incredibly weird |
| 19:54 |
erlehmann |
like something from a steam forum |
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erlehmann |
or 1999 boomer shooter enthusiasts |
| 19:55 |
erlehmann |
the minecraft community talks about cheats all the time, so i wonder, is it to keep those ppl away? |
| 19:55 |
sfan5 |
I wouldn't know what to say about the history spontanously |
| 19:56 |
erlehmann |
ah i thought maybe there was some big bad event or something |
| 19:56 |
erlehmann |
i heard that on clamity pistons were once made unknown by an admin to prevent duping |
| 19:57 |
erlehmann |
but unknown items can be stacked higher than known items |
| 19:57 |
erlehmann |
so yeah, that backfired spectacularly |
| 19:57 |
erlehmann |
when they were made known |
| 19:59 |
sfan5 |
anyway within limits code-focused cheating discussion should also be fine on the forums |
| 20:00 |
erlehmann |
people keep saying that but there exist no discussions like that |
| 20:00 |
erlehmann |
so i guess whoever tried that ate a ban |
| 20:01 |
erlehmann |
meanwhile, can anyone make sense of this commit? https://git.minetest.land/Mineclonia/Mineclonia/commit/8f30e223e2d45c4ead2237196c13446d6b9cb1e3 |
| 20:02 |
erlehmann |
i have the cursed task of backporting features with commit messages like "I hate reverting something xD" |
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| 20:54 |
entuland |
erlehmann: well, the only change in that seems to be replacing "ipairs" with "pairs" |
| 20:54 |
entuland |
which may make sense if the result of connected_players() changed format |
| 20:55 |
entuland |
as ipairs would ignore any non-numeric key |
| 20:56 |
entuland |
connected_players() or any other source of data there |
| 20:57 |
erlehmann |
entuland well, i can see that, but i don't know why because the commit message is crap |
| 20:57 |
entuland |
oh that I can't tell |
| 20:58 |
erlehmann |
i thought maybe someone knew |
| 20:58 |
entuland |
maybe someone else replaced pairs with ipairs with an earlier commit and they had to fix the "bad idea"? |
| 20:58 |
erlehmann |
i was told that ipairs is faster |
| 20:58 |
erlehmann |
yeah but also this is on a feature branch that kay27 made for nether portals in mineclone2. it does not belong there. |
| 20:59 |
erlehmann |
i keep finding unrelated small fixes with questionable commit messages on feature branches and i hate it |
| 20:59 |
erlehmann |
bc then the feature branch depends on that thing |
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entuland |
I guess the best way to know is to ask the committer :P |
| 21:03 |
entuland |
also, I may be wrong and that could be a bad fix - maybe all of those cases really only use numeric keys and maybe ipairs is really faster and maybe there was really no need to change those |
| 21:05 |
entuland |
I also found this hit searching for which one is really faster: https://devforum.roblox.com/t/speed-comparison-ipairs-vs-pairs-vs-numerical-loop-benchmark/537134 |
| 21:05 |
entuland |
Quote: "I recently learnt that ipairs is only this fast with our custom Lua interpreter, Luau; in Vanilla Lua it is slower than pairs." |
| 21:13 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> Ipairs is slower than pairs, regular loop is fastest |
| 21:25 |
MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> ipairs is faster than pairs |
| 21:26 |
MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> At least, I think. Might only be in JIT |
| 21:36 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> https://medium.com/@sleitnick/battle-of-the-loops-c001bcb4961c |
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MTDiscord |
<Benrob0329> I'd be curious to see how newer versions of Lua (specifically, 5.4) compare |
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MTDiscord |
<entuland> can't tell what they're benchmarking exactly but here is something in general: https://www.reddit.com/r/lua/comments/j9x33f/arewefastyet_benchmark_suite_applied_to_different/ |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> pokes @exe_/irus for tests he said that he would provide |
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MTDiscord |
<exe_virus> Sorry, I only got through basic two client testing, still have to run my 5-10 client test here in a bit. Sadly I only get 30 minutes of free time a day during the week |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> tis fine |
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